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By *ubal1 OP   Man  over a year ago

Newry Down

Great news. The vaccines currently being used in the UK, Pfizer Biontech and Astrazeneca, do give protection against the Indian variant, but only after the second vaccine has been administered and fully taken effect.

This is wonderful news, and it means life here will return to normal in due course.

However, this is an international problem; it will be a long time before the planet has been vaccinated!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Where has this been confirmed?

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By *ubal1 OP   Man  over a year ago

Newry Down

BBC main news item; early this morning.

In my opinion, highly significant.

But it has to be two jabs; one is insufficient.

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By *luebell888Woman  over a year ago

Glasgowish


"BBC main news item; early this morning.

In my opinion, highly significant.

But it has to be two jabs; one is insufficient."

I heard this too. Good news for me as have had both jabs a while ago.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"BBC main news item; early this morning.

In my opinion, highly significant.

But it has to be two jabs; one is insufficient."

Thank you, found it.

www.bbc.com/news/uk-57214596

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By *aughtymasseurMan  over a year ago

Le

Hi everyone

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By *risky_MareWoman  over a year ago

...Up on the Downs


"Great news. The vaccines currently being used in the UK, Pfizer Biontech and Astrazeneca, do give protection against the Indian variant, but only after the second vaccine has been administered and fully taken effect.

This is wonderful news, and it means life here will return to normal in due course.

However, this is an international problem; it will be a long time before the planet has been vaccinated!"

So the AZ vaccine is 60% effective at stopping symptomatic infection - so not effective for 4 out of 10.

I wonder how effective it is at stopping infection and transmission? 50% 40% 30%?

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By *ethnmelvCouple  over a year ago

Cardiff

Vaccines have brought down the death & serious illness rate significantly. Having an appropriate policy of only allowing flights from Red listed countries into a single UK airport, stopping cross contamination with people in terminalsxwould have helped.

But the biggest thing we should do to reduce the impact of new variants, is to make sure every country gets access to the vaccine.

The vaccines will all have some positive effect on new variants, but we will have to continually tweak them (just like we do with flu every year).

Vaccines work, tin hats do not

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By *ophieslutTV/TS  over a year ago

Central

I've not looked at the original scientific evidence but the 1st dose alone was suggested as providing some effectiveness against this variatiant, which is good news, based on our more extensive delays between the 2 doses.

Effectiveness of 60% is good progress

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By *ob198XaMan  over a year ago

teleford


"Great news. The vaccines currently being used in the UK, Pfizer Biontech and Astrazeneca, do give protection against the Indian variant, but only after the second vaccine has been administered and fully taken effect.

This is wonderful news, and it means life here will return to normal in due course.

However, this is an international problem; it will be a long time before the planet has been vaccinated!

So the AZ vaccine is 60% effective at stopping symptomatic infection - so not effective for 4 out of 10.

I wonder how effective it is at stopping infection and transmission? 50% 40% 30%? "

I wouldn’t get too hung up on the figures just yet, certainly not when comparing between vaccines. It is only based on a small sample size and there a lot of uncontrolled variables.. There are vast differences in the demographics between those who have received each of the vaccines, both in terms of age, location and job related risk factors. Also on average those who have had 2 doses of PZ have had their 2nd dose far longer than those with have had 2 AZ doses. The reduction in the severity of symptoms and any reduction in transmission isn’t clear in these over simplistic efficacy numbers.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

The indian varient has come from the vaccinated people who have been jabbed, it is a varient that has mutated in vaccinated people which has been caused by the jab!

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By *naswingdressWoman  over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

All sounds encouraging so far.

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By *risky_MareWoman  over a year ago

...Up on the Downs


" The reduction in the severity of symptoms and any reduction in transmission isn’t clear in these over simplistic efficacy numbers."

Agreed.

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By *risky_MareWoman  over a year ago

...Up on the Downs


"The indian varient has come from the vaccinated people who have been jabbed, it is a varient that has mutated in vaccinated people which has been caused by the jab!"

Some world leading vaccine specialists are literally BEGGING for the vaccination program to be halted for this reason.

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By *all me FlikWoman  over a year ago

Galaxy Far Far Away


"The indian varient has come from the vaccinated people who have been jabbed, it is a varient that has mutated in vaccinated people which has been caused by the jab!"

I'd love to see the proof of this one

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"BBC main news item; early this morning.

In my opinion, highly significant.

But it has to be two jabs; one is insufficient."

haha you take your news from the BBC?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

How ducking convenient that a new “super” strain is in the uk but the current vaccine that people have doubts about is good enough to save us but only with both doses…

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By *risky_MareWoman  over a year ago

...Up on the Downs


"BBC main news item; early this morning.

In my opinion, highly significant.

But it has to be two jabs; one is insufficient.

haha you take your news from the BBC? "

Diana's staff were being paid to spy on her you know.

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By *all me FlikWoman  over a year ago

Galaxy Far Far Away


"The indian varient has come from the vaccinated people who have been jabbed, it is a varient that has mutated in vaccinated people which has been caused by the jab!

I'd love to see the proof of this one"

I've searched as best I can...absolutely no evidence of this or scientists begging for the vaccination programme to the stopped...if anyone can provide evidence I would be interested to read it. Thanks.

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By *ad NannaWoman  over a year ago

East London


"The indian varient has come from the vaccinated people who have been jabbed, it is a varient that has mutated in vaccinated people which has been caused by the jab!"

Really? Can you link us please.

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By *hatawasteMan  over a year ago

stafford


"The indian varient has come from the vaccinated people who have been jabbed, it is a varient that has mutated in vaccinated people which has been caused by the jab!"

Source?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"The indian varient has come from the vaccinated people who have been jabbed, it is a varient that has mutated in vaccinated people which has been caused by the jab!

Some world leading vaccine specialists are literally BEGGING for the vaccination program to be halted for this reason."

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By *risky_MareWoman  over a year ago

...Up on the Downs


"The indian varient has come from the vaccinated people who have been jabbed, it is a varient that has mutated in vaccinated people which has been caused by the jab!

I'd love to see the proof of this one

I've searched as best I can...absolutely no evidence of this or scientists begging for the vaccination programme to the stopped...if anyone can provide evidence I would be interested to read it. Thanks."

The latest I have seen is Geert Vanden Bossche (DVM, PhD)

Geert Vanden Bossche received his DVM from the University of Ghent, Belgium, and his PhD degree in Virology from the University of Hohenheim, Germany. He held adjunct faculty appointments at universities in Belgium and Germany. After his career in Academia, Geert joined several vaccine companies (GSK Biologicals, Novartis Vaccines, Solvay Biologicals) to serve various roles in vaccine R&D as well as in late vaccine development. Geert then moved on to join the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation’s Global Health Discovery team in Seattle (USA) as Senior Program Officer; he then worked with the Global Alliance for Vaccines and Immunization (GAVI) in Geneva as Senior Ebola Program Manager. At GAVI he tracked efforts to develop an Ebola vaccine. He also represented GAVI in fora with other partners, including WHO, to review progress on the fight against Ebola and to build plans for global pandemic preparedness. Back in 2015, Geert scrutinized and questioned the safety of the Ebola vaccine that was used in ring vaccination trials conducted by WHO in Guinea. His critical scientific analysis and report on the data published by WHO in the Lancet in 2015 was sent to all international health and regulatory authorities involved in the Ebola vaccination program. After working for GAVI, Geert joined the German Center for Infection Research in Cologne as Head of the Vaccine Development Office. He is at present primarily serving as a Biotech/ Vaccine consultant while also conducting his own research on Natural Killer cell-based vaccines.

His website has some interesting discussions:

https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/

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By *2123Man  over a year ago

Close

A virus will always mutate to survive, either not killing the host or mutate to survive stuff that’s designed to kill it.

At the moment we’re seeing a mixture of both, the virus is far less deadly than when it first came about. Such as many years ago the flue and many viral infections that once was a great concern and now are treated with no cause for concern.

These deadly strains of the virus as mentioned above are the cause of mutation from vaccinated people trying to destroy the virus.

It’s more worrying that people still believe and live their life by what the BBC are portraying. Just look at their history and what’s coming to light more recently. I trust Covid-19 more than I trust the BBC.

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By *all me FlikWoman  over a year ago

Galaxy Far Far Away


"The indian varient has come from the vaccinated people who have been jabbed, it is a varient that has mutated in vaccinated people which has been caused by the jab!

I'd love to see the proof of this one

I've searched as best I can...absolutely no evidence of this or scientists begging for the vaccination programme to the stopped...if anyone can provide evidence I would be interested to read it. Thanks.

The latest I have seen is Geert Vanden Bossche (DVM, PhD)

Geert Vanden Bossche received his DVM from the University of Ghent, Belgium, and his PhD degree in Virology from the University of Hohenheim, Germany. He held adjunct faculty appointments at universities in Belgium and Germany. After his career in Academia, Geert joined several vaccine companies (GSK Biologicals, Novartis Vaccines, Solvay Biologicals) to serve various roles in vaccine R&D as well as in late vaccine development. Geert then moved on to join the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation’s Global Health Discovery team in Seattle (USA) as Senior Program Officer; he then worked with the Global Alliance for Vaccines and Immunization (GAVI) in Geneva as Senior Ebola Program Manager. At GAVI he tracked efforts to develop an Ebola vaccine. He also represented GAVI in fora with other partners, including WHO, to review progress on the fight against Ebola and to build plans for global pandemic preparedness. Back in 2015, Geert scrutinized and questioned the safety of the Ebola vaccine that was used in ring vaccination trials conducted by WHO in Guinea. His critical scientific analysis and report on the data published by WHO in the Lancet in 2015 was sent to all international health and regulatory authorities involved in the Ebola vaccination program. After working for GAVI, Geert joined the German Center for Infection Research in Cologne as Head of the Vaccine Development Office. He is at present primarily serving as a Biotech/ Vaccine consultant while also conducting his own research on Natural Killer cell-based vaccines.

His website has some interesting discussions:

https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/"

Thanks I've had a listen to his open letter video and I'll look at some more of his work later. No mention of vaccinated people causing the Indian variant though so I'll wait for the other poster to provide that. Thanks for the link.

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By *ntrepid ExplorersCouple  over a year ago

Birmingham


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His website has some interesting discussions:

https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/

Thanks I've had a listen to his open letter video and I'll look at some more of his work later. No mention of vaccinated people causing the Indian variant though so I'll wait for the other poster to provide that. Thanks for the link."

Try this link, as well as his own publicity machine ...

https://vaxopedia.org/2021/03/14/who-is-geert-vanden-bossche/

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By *eeleyWoman  over a year ago

Dudley


"

His website has some interesting discussions:

https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/

Thanks I've had a listen to his open letter video and I'll look at some more of his work later. No mention of vaccinated people causing the Indian variant though so I'll wait for the other poster to provide that. Thanks for the link.

Try this link, as well as his own publicity machine ...

https://vaxopedia.org/2021/03/14/who-is-geert-vanden-bossche/"

He also added this to his site:

Disclaimer

I only take responsibility for the statements and scientific papers that I have published myself. I have noticed these are occasionally being recovered, without my approval or knowledge, by untrustworthy sources with their own agendas or ideologies, both left- and right-wing, by provaxxers and antivaxxers, conspiracy theorists and uninformed and unqualified individuals who are convinced by their own right. I strongly distance myself from this and would like to emphasize that what I am trying to convey goes beyond these beliefs and opinions. They are irrelevant to what concerns us as humans. In fact, they are an obstacle. Above all I want to safeguard my integrity and insist on absolute independence. The response to my appeal should remain only and purely scientific and in no occasion ever be used or abused by any non-scientific rhetoric.

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I would also like to reiterate that I cannot respond to the many questions from people who are hesitant about whether or not they should get the vaccine or the second shot thereof. As far as the vaccines themselves are concerned, I will continue to refrain from making any specific judgement or comparison of those. None of this is part of my ‘mission’.

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By *ethnmelvCouple  over a year ago

Cardiff


"The indian varient has come from the vaccinated people who have been jabbed, it is a varient that has mutated in vaccinated people which has been caused by the jab!"

No it hasn’t. This is why people should not be allowed out of school sometimes. The facts are not on your side. Opinion does not mean it is either real or a fact.

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By *ammskiMan  over a year ago

lytham st.annes


"The indian varient has come from the vaccinated people who have been jabbed, it is a varient that has mutated in vaccinated people which has been caused by the jab!

No it hasn’t. This is why people should not be allowed out of school sometimes. The facts are not on your side. Opinion does not mean it is either real or a fact."

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By *ntrepid ExplorersCouple  over a year ago

Birmingham


"Disclaimer

I only take responsibility for the statements and scientific papers that I have published myself. I have noticed these are occasionally being recovered, without my approval or knowledge, by untrustworthy sources with their own agendas or ideologies, both left- and right-wing, by provaxxers and antivaxxers, conspiracy theorists and uninformed and unqualified individuals who are convinced by their own right. I strongly distance myself from this and would like to emphasize that what I am trying to convey goes beyond these beliefs and opinions. They are irrelevant to what concerns us as humans. In fact, they are an obstacle. Above all I want to safeguard my integrity and insist on absolute independence. The response to my appeal should remain only and purely scientific and in no occasion ever be used or abused by any non-scientific rhetoric. "

Huh, interesting. I think we already felt some people here are obstacles, and now we see their own expert sources agree...

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By *inky_couple2020Couple  over a year ago

North West

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By *inky_couple2020Couple  over a year ago

North West

A very good article refuting Geert vanden Bossche's inaccurate nonsense can be found at an article per the info below:

Title: Countering Geert Vanden Bossche’s dubious viral open letter warning against mass COVID-19 vaccination

Author: David Gorski

Date: 18 March 2021

Website name: Science-Based Medicine

Geert has briefly worked for some large mainstream organisations, yes. The emphasis is on the 'brief'. He is/was the director of his own pharma research company (VARECO) but there's zero info online about this allegedly groundbreaking company. Since 2012, he claims to have been working on a new innovation in vaccine technology, using natural killer cells, but to date has generated zero of any substance. His publication record is next to nothing - last peer reviewed paper was published in 1995. He is qualified, by the way, via a 3yr degree in veterinary medicine studies (not a full vet med qual - he'd need the additional 3 years, for a total of 6yrs, to be able to practice as a vet). He took a Virology PhD, apparently.

He has tried to argue that viruses behave the same way as bacteria that are exposed to antimicrobials, when vaccines are used. But this is not credible. He uses apparently valid scientific language but is actually conflating and misrepresenting well established scientific fact.

Should we be surprised that he wants to sell the world his own "innovative" NK cell vaccines?! Could Geert vanden Bossche have a hidden agenda? Surely not....

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Great news. The vaccines currently being used in the UK, Pfizer Biontech and Astrazeneca, do give protection against the Indian variant, but only after the second vaccine has been administered and fully taken effect.

This is wonderful news, a nd it means life here will return to normal in due course.

However, this is an international problem; it will be a long time before the planet has been vaccinated!

So the AZ vaccine is 60% effective at stopping symptomatic infection - so not effective for 4 out of 10.

I wonder how effective it is at stopping infection and transmission? 50% 40% 30%? "

60% effective does not mean that for 4 out of 10 it does nothing it means that in those 10 it will be a 60% effective average. For some it may be less / more effective but its doing something so you could only be ill at home with it rather than on a ventilator in hospital. (For example)

I have not seen anything yet where there are cases of people having the vaccine and not getting any immune response whatsoever.

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By *eeleyWoman  over a year ago

Dudley


"Disclaimer

I only take responsibility for the statements and scientific papers that I have published myself. I have noticed these are occasionally being recovered, without my approval or knowledge, by untrustworthy sources with their own agendas or ideologies, both left- and right-wing, by provaxxers and antivaxxers, conspiracy theorists and uninformed and unqualified individuals who are convinced by their own right. I strongly distance myself from this and would like to emphasize that what I am trying to convey goes beyond these beliefs and opinions. They are irrelevant to what concerns us as humans. In fact, they are an obstacle. Above all I want to safeguard my integrity and insist on absolute independence. The response to my appeal should remain only and purely scientific and in no occasion ever be used or abused by any non-scientific rhetoric.

Huh, interesting. I think we already felt some people here are obstacles, and now we see their own expert sources agree..."

Indeed, there aren't many of these experts that have to put a disclaimer either

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By *ob198XaMan  over a year ago

teleford


"The indian varient has come from the vaccinated people who have been jabbed, it is a varient that has mutated in vaccinated people which has been caused by the jab!

I'd love to see the proof of this one

I've searched as best I can...absolutely no evidence of this or scientists begging for the vaccination programme to the stopped...if anyone can provide evidence I would be interested to read it. Thanks.

The latest I have seen is Geert Vanden Bossche (DVM, PhD)

Geert Vanden Bossche received his DVM from the University of Ghent, Belgium, and his PhD degree in Virology from the University of Hohenheim, Germany. He held adjunct faculty appointments at universities in Belgium and Germany. After his career in Academia, Geert joined several vaccine companies (GSK Biologicals, Novartis Vaccines, Solvay Biologicals) to serve various roles in vaccine R&D as well as in late vaccine development. Geert then moved on to join the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation’s Global Health Discovery team in Seattle (USA) as Senior Program Officer; he then worked with the Global Alliance for Vaccines and Immunization (GAVI) in Geneva as Senior Ebola Program Manager. At GAVI he tracked efforts to develop an Ebola vaccine. He also represented GAVI in fora with other partners, including WHO, to review progress on the fight against Ebola and to build plans for global pandemic preparedness. Back in 2015, Geert scrutinized and questioned the safety of the Ebola vaccine that was used in ring vaccination trials conducted by WHO in Guinea. His critical scientific analysis and report on the data published by WHO in the Lancet in 2015 was sent to all international health and regulatory authorities involved in the Ebola vaccination program. After working for GAVI, Geert joined the German Center for Infection Research in Cologne as Head of the Vaccine Development Office. He is at present primarily serving as a Biotech/ Vaccine consultant while also conducting his own research on Natural Killer cell-based vaccines.

His website has some interesting discussions:

https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/"

Yeah . I started watching Geert. Some of his arguments seemed to made sense but then he started down some theories of total bullpoo and he lost all credibility!! I don’t know what his angle is but he’s lost the plot!

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By *ob198XaMan  over a year ago

teleford


"A virus will always mutate to survive, either not killing the host or mutate to survive stuff that’s designed to kill it.

At the moment we’re seeing a mixture of both, the virus is far less deadly than when it first came about. Such as many years ago the flue and many viral infections that once was a great concern and now are treated with no cause for concern.

These deadly strains of the virus as mentioned above are the cause of mutation from vaccinated people trying to destroy the virus.

It’s more worrying that people still believe and live their life by what the BBC are portraying. Just look at their history and what’s coming to light more recently. I trust Covid-19 more than I trust the BBC. "

Viruses don’t mutate to survive. Mutations are simply random mistakes. Mutations occur most in those who are not vaccinated, viral replication and therefore mutations occurs less in those who are vaccinated. Vaccination does not apply a selection pressure that would push towards more lethal strains emerging.

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By *risky_MareWoman  over a year ago

...Up on the Downs


"A very good article refuting Geert vanden Bossche's inaccurate nonsense can be found at an article per the info below:

Title: Countering Geert Vanden Bossche’s dubious viral open letter warning against mass COVID-19 vaccination

Author: David Gorski

Date: 18 March 2021

Website name: Science-Based Medicine

Geert has briefly worked for some large mainstream organisations, yes. The emphasis is on the 'brief'. He is/was the director of his own pharma research company (VARECO) but there's zero info online about this allegedly groundbreaking company. Since 2012, he claims to have been working on a new innovation in vaccine technology, using natural killer cells, but to date has generated zero of any substance. His publication record is next to nothing - last peer reviewed paper was published in 1995. He is qualified, by the way, via a 3yr degree in veterinary medicine studies (not a full vet med qual - he'd need the additional 3 years, for a total of 6yrs, to be able to practice as a vet). He took a Virology PhD, apparently.

He has tried to argue that viruses behave the same way as bacteria that are exposed to antimicrobials, when vaccines are used. But this is not credible. He uses apparently valid scientific language but is actually conflating and misrepresenting well established scientific fact.

Should we be surprised that he wants to sell the world his own "innovative" NK cell vaccines?! Could Geert vanden Bossche have a hidden agenda? Surely not...."

French Nobel laureate Luc Montagnier who discovered HIV shares his opinion, as do a number of others with long careers in the field. I don't necessarily believe their apocalyptic vision, I hope they're wrong because I don't want my family to die. But I am sure as hell going to try to understand their arguments, especially where the logic is obvious.

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By *risky_MareWoman  over a year ago

...Up on the Downs


"Great news. The vaccines currently being used in the UK, Pfizer Biontech and Astrazeneca, do give protection against the Indian variant, but only after the second vaccine has been administered and fully taken effect.

This is wonderful news, a nd it means life here will return to normal in due course.

However, this is an international problem; it will be a long time before the planet has been vaccinated!

So the AZ vaccine is 60% effective at stopping symptomatic infection - so not effective for 4 out of 10.

I wonder how effective it is at stopping infection and transmission? 50% 40% 30%?

60% effective does not mean that for 4 out of 10 it does nothing it means that in those 10 it will be a 60% effective average. "

Mm-hmm. And what's the difference between 60% effective 'coverage' and 100% then? What is there a 40% chance of?

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By *inky_couple2020Couple  over a year ago

North West


"A very good article refuting Geert vanden Bossche's inaccurate nonsense can be found at an article per the info below:

Title: Countering Geert Vanden Bossche’s dubious viral open letter warning against mass COVID-19 vaccination

Author: David Gorski

Date: 18 March 2021

Website name: Science-Based Medicine

Geert has briefly worked for some large mainstream organisations, yes. The emphasis is on the 'brief'. He is/was the director of his own pharma research company (VARECO) but there's zero info online about this allegedly groundbreaking company. Since 2012, he claims to have been working on a new innovation in vaccine technology, using natural killer cells, but to date has generated zero of any substance. His publication record is next to nothing - last peer reviewed paper was published in 1995. He is qualified, by the way, via a 3yr degree in veterinary medicine studies (not a full vet med qual - he'd need the additional 3 years, for a total of 6yrs, to be able to practice as a vet). He took a Virology PhD, apparently.

He has tried to argue that viruses behave the same way as bacteria that are exposed to antimicrobials, when vaccines are used. But this is not credible. He uses apparently valid scientific language but is actually conflating and misrepresenting well established scientific fact.

Should we be surprised that he wants to sell the world his own "innovative" NK cell vaccines?! Could Geert vanden Bossche have a hidden agenda? Surely not....

French Nobel laureate Luc Montagnier who discovered HIV shares his opinion, as do a number of others with long careers in the field. I don't necessarily believe their apocalyptic vision, I hope they're wrong because I don't want my family to die. But I am sure as hell going to try to understand their arguments, especially where the logic is obvious."

Luc Montagnier is another fruit cake, irrespective of his Nobel Prize.

And I quote: "Montagnier himself is a controversial figure. Among other causes, he has supported anti-vaxxers, homeopathy and a silly claim that DNA emits “electromagnetic waves”."

This was taken from:

Title: A Nobel Laureate Said the New Coronavirus Was Made in a Lab. He’s Wrong.

Date: 22/04/2020

Author: FELIX BAST

Website: Science - The Wire.

Montagnier is widely discredited, along with vanden Bossche, Wakefield and all the others who, despite scientific qualifications, have chosen to make up codswallop instead of following the evidence in front of them.

Of Montagnier's claims he has measured electromagnetic waves emanating from DNA, "no third party has replicated the findings," which would seem to suggest that his "findings" are in fact not real. The whole point of peer review is that your peers should be able to replicate your method and draw the same conclusion.

Montagnier's work is now used by homeopaths to bolster their own pseudoscience - it's ridiculous.

Would you like to pick another discredited pseudoscientist?

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By *ntrepid ExplorersCouple  over a year ago

Birmingham


"Great news. The vaccines currently being used in the UK, Pfizer Biontech and Astrazeneca, do give protection against the Indian variant, but only after the second vaccine has been administered and fully taken effect.

This is wonderful news, a nd it means life here will return to normal in due course.

However, this is an international problem; it will be a long time before the planet has been vaccinated!

So the AZ vaccine is 60% effective at stopping symptomatic infection - so not effective for 4 out of 10.

I wonder how effective it is at stopping infection and transmission? 50% 40% 30%?

60% effective does not mean that for 4 out of 10 it does nothing it means that in those 10 it will be a 60% effective average.

Mm-hmm. And what's the difference between 60% effective 'coverage' and 100% then? What is there a 40% chance of?"

the wilful ignorance her is really sad to see. You know exactly what these things mean, yet pretend to not.

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By *irldnCouple  over a year ago

Brighton


"A very good article refuting Geert vanden Bossche's inaccurate nonsense can be found at an article per the info below:

Title: Countering Geert Vanden Bossche’s dubious viral open letter warning against mass COVID-19 vaccination

Author: David Gorski

Date: 18 March 2021

Website name: Science-Based Medicine

Geert has briefly worked for some large mainstream organisations, yes. The emphasis is on the 'brief'. He is/was the director of his own pharma research company (VARECO) but there's zero info online about this allegedly groundbreaking company. Since 2012, he claims to have been working on a new innovation in vaccine technology, using natural killer cells, but to date has generated zero of any substance. His publication record is next to nothing - last peer reviewed paper was published in 1995. He is qualified, by the way, via a 3yr degree in veterinary medicine studies (not a full vet med qual - he'd need the additional 3 years, for a total of 6yrs, to be able to practice as a vet). He took a Virology PhD, apparently.

He has tried to argue that viruses behave the same way as bacteria that are exposed to antimicrobials, when vaccines are used. But this is not credible. He uses apparently valid scientific language but is actually conflating and misrepresenting well established scientific fact.

Should we be surprised that he wants to sell the world his own "innovative" NK cell vaccines?! Could Geert vanden Bossche have a hidden agenda? Surely not....

French Nobel laureate Luc Montagnier who discovered HIV shares his opinion, as do a number of others with long careers in the field. I don't necessarily believe their apocalyptic vision, I hope they're wrong because I don't want my family to die. But I am sure as hell going to try to understand their arguments, especially where the logic is obvious.

Luc Montagnier is another fruit cake, irrespective of his Nobel Prize.

And I quote: "Montagnier himself is a controversial figure. Among other causes, he has supported anti-vaxxers, homeopathy and a silly claim that DNA emits “electromagnetic waves”."

This was taken from:

Title: A Nobel Laureate Said the New Coronavirus Was Made in a Lab. He’s Wrong.

Date: 22/04/2020

Author: FELIX BAST

Website: Science - The Wire.

Montagnier is widely discredited, along with vanden Bossche, Wakefield and all the others who, despite scientific qualifications, have chosen to make up codswallop instead of following the evidence in front of them.

Of Montagnier's claims he has measured electromagnetic waves emanating from DNA, "no third party has replicated the findings," which would seem to suggest that his "findings" are in fact not real. The whole point of peer review is that your peers should be able to replicate your method and draw the same conclusion.

Montagnier's work is now used by homeopaths to bolster their own pseudoscience - it's ridiculous.

Would you like to pick another discredited pseudoscientist?"

Hmmm isn’t homeopathy basically the same principle as most vaccines and all anti-venoms?

Ie you introduce small amounts into the body to train the body’s natural defences to learn and react.

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By *risky_MareWoman  over a year ago

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"Great news. The vaccines currently being used in the UK, Pfizer Biontech and Astrazeneca, do give protection against the Indian variant, but only after the second vaccine has been administered and fully taken effect.

This is wonderful news, a nd it means life here will return to normal in due course.

However, this is an international problem; it will be a long time before the planet has been vaccinated!

So the AZ vaccine is 60% effective at stopping symptomatic infection - so not effective for 4 out of 10.

I wonder how effective it is at stopping infection and transmission? 50% 40% 30%?

60% effective does not mean that for 4 out of 10 it does nothing it means that in those 10 it will be a 60% effective average.

Mm-hmm. And what's the difference between 60% effective 'coverage' and 100% then? What is there a 40% chance of?

the wilful ignorance her is really sad to see. You know exactly what these things mean, yet pretend to not."

Tell me your understanding of 60% effective then?

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By *risky_MareWoman  over a year ago

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"

Title: A Nobel Laureate Said the New Coronavirus Was Made in a Lab. He’s Wrong.

"

I suspect that is a total misrepresentation - the French headline was "Luc Montagnier affirme que le coronavirus Sars-CoV-2 est un virus manipulé en laboratoire" and though my French is not good enough to understand everything he said, I only heard him say 'Non' to the question 'Is it natural?'

I'm damn sure it's not - the mere fact that Wuhan has a level 4 virology lab researching gain of function on bat coronavirus makes an escape from a lab the most logical explanation. The fact that half the scientists working in the lab were know to have fallen sick and since disappeared makes it highly probable in my opinion, despite the WHO whitewash 'investigation', that was a farce.

When the long term studies are done, we may have a clearer idea of how dangerous these vaccines actually turn out to be.

Meanwhile another young Brit dies of blood clots and the CDC are urgently investigating incidents of myocarditis after vaccination in the under 30's.........

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"The indian varient has come from the vaccinated people who have been jabbed, it is a varient that has mutated in vaccinated people which has been caused by the jab!"

Quoted from where....? Beano? Viz?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"The indian varient has come from the vaccinated people who have been jabbed, it is a varient that has mutated in vaccinated people which has been caused by the jab!

Some world leading vaccine specialists are literally BEGGING for the vaccination program to be halted for this reason."

Names.?

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By *risky_MareWoman  over a year ago

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"The indian varient has come from the vaccinated people who have been jabbed, it is a varient that has mutated in vaccinated people which has been caused by the jab!

Some world leading vaccine specialists are literally BEGGING for the vaccination program to be halted for this reason.

Names.?"

I've given two, that are more - google is your friend.

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By *eeleyWoman  over a year ago

Dudley

I wonder if fab is classed as social media regarding the crackdown on false information regarding coronavirus.

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By *eeleyWoman  over a year ago

Dudley


"The indian varient has come from the vaccinated people who have been jabbed, it is a varient that has mutated in vaccinated people which has been caused by the jab!

Some world leading vaccine specialists are literally BEGGING for the vaccination program to be halted for this reason.

Names.?

I've given two, that are more - google is your friend."

One of which you said you don't believe his vision

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By *risky_MareWoman  over a year ago

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"The indian varient has come from the vaccinated people who have been jabbed, it is a varient that has mutated in vaccinated people which has been caused by the jab!

Some world leading vaccine specialists are literally BEGGING for the vaccination program to be halted for this reason.

Names.?

I've given two, that are more - google is your friend.

One of which you said you don't believe his vision "

Yes, I am not a true believer like the vaccine culters on here - I am interested in hearing educated opinions from many sources, weighing up their validity and probability in my own opinion and then waiting to see which turns out to have more merit. Sometimes they all have an aspect of the truth.

Science is not all or nothing you know, and the data is changing our understanding daily - or should be.

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By *eeleyWoman  over a year ago

Dudley


"The indian varient has come from the vaccinated people who have been jabbed, it is a varient that has mutated in vaccinated people which has been caused by the jab!

Some world leading vaccine specialists are literally BEGGING for the vaccination program to be halted for this reason.

Names.?

I've given two, that are more - google is your friend.

One of which you said you don't believe his vision

Yes, I am not a true believer like the vaccine culters on here - I am interested in hearing educated opinions from many sources, weighing up their validity and probability in my own opinion and then waiting to see which turns out to have more merit. Sometimes they all have an aspect of the truth.

Science is not all or nothing you know, and the data is changing our understanding daily - or should be."

Yet you keep posting crap about the vaccine. I don't believe you're interested in all the science at all, I believe you're interested in spreading misinformation and causing unrest.

I'm hoping fab will crack down on the false information being posted daily by a few users, especially since there is a crackdown on social media allowing misinformation being posted.

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By *risky_MareWoman  over a year ago

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"The indian varient has come from the vaccinated people who have been jabbed, it is a varient that has mutated in vaccinated people which has been caused by the jab!

Some world leading vaccine specialists are literally BEGGING for the vaccination program to be halted for this reason.

Names.?

I've given two, that are more - google is your friend.

One of which you said you don't believe his vision

Yes, I am not a true believer like the vaccine culters on here - I am interested in hearing educated opinions from many sources, weighing up their validity and probability in my own opinion and then waiting to see which turns out to have more merit. Sometimes they all have an aspect of the truth.

Science is not all or nothing you know, and the data is changing our understanding daily - or should be.

Yet you keep posting crap about the vaccine. I don't believe you're interested in all the science at all, I believe you're interested in spreading misinformation and causing unrest.

I'm hoping fab will crack down on the false information being posted daily by a few users, especially since there is a crackdown on social media allowing misinformation being posted. "

Nope, I haven't posted any crap at all - just verifiable facts and educated opinions you don't want to hear.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple  over a year ago

North West


"

Title: A Nobel Laureate Said the New Coronavirus Was Made in a Lab. He’s Wrong.

I suspect that is a total misrepresentation - the French headline was "Luc Montagnier affirme que le coronavirus Sars-CoV-2 est un virus manipulé en laboratoire" and though my French is not good enough to understand everything he said, I only heard him say 'Non' to the question 'Is it natural?'

I'm damn sure it's not - the mere fact that Wuhan has a level 4 virology lab researching gain of function on bat coronavirus makes an escape from a lab the most logical explanation. The fact that half the scientists working in the lab were know to have fallen sick and since disappeared makes it highly probable in my opinion, despite the WHO whitewash 'investigation', that was a farce.

When the long term studies are done, we may have a clearer idea of how dangerous these vaccines actually turn out to be.

Meanwhile another young Brit dies of blood clots and the CDC are urgently investigating incidents of myocarditis after vaccination in the under 30's........."

The French above translates to "Luc Montagnier affirms that the SARS-CoV-2 virus was manipulated in a laboratory." Montagnier has made his views very clear in English and French, but his rational for deciding that the virus is not natural relies on his assessment that the SARS-CoV-2 virus includes genetic aspects that are the same as the HIV virus. That's his "evidence". In fact, ALL coronaviruses have this genetic feature, so unless he believes every single coronavirus ever to be indentified is unnatural, then he's talking twaddle.

There is a reason he is a pariah in the scientific community worldwide - his "work" recently is frankly nonsense and he supports and gives ammunition to anti vaccine groups, impacting the fight against the global burden of disease.

And yes, quite correctly, regulators are investigating any possible adverse events related to the vaccines, but to be clear, there has been no causal link established, nor is there evidence that the incidence of myocarditis is any higher in vaccinated people vs the normal background frequency. Myocarditis naturally occurs in some people after a viral or other infection, is most frequently associated with young males. This is same demographic group being assessed re: the vaccines, so there is considerable likelihood this is a condition that has occurred coincidentally to the vaccines. But it's best they do investigate, quite rightly.

Anyone wanting to know more about the frequency of myocarditis might like to go to the National Organisation for Rare Diseases website NORD and look for the article entitled "Myocarditis".

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By *eeleyWoman  over a year ago

Dudley


"The indian varient has come from the vaccinated people who have been jabbed, it is a varient that has mutated in vaccinated people which has been caused by the jab!

Some world leading vaccine specialists are literally BEGGING for the vaccination program to be halted for this reason.

Names.?

I've given two, that are more - google is your friend.

One of which you said you don't believe his vision

Yes, I am not a true believer like the vaccine culters on here - I am interested in hearing educated opinions from many sources, weighing up their validity and probability in my own opinion and then waiting to see which turns out to have more merit. Sometimes they all have an aspect of the truth.

Science is not all or nothing you know, and the data is changing our understanding daily - or should be.

Yet you keep posting crap about the vaccine. I don't believe you're interested in all the science at all, I believe you're interested in spreading misinformation and causing unrest.

I'm hoping fab will crack down on the false information being posted daily by a few users, especially since there is a crackdown on social media allowing misinformation being posted.

Nope, I haven't posted any crap at all - just verifiable facts and educated opinions you don't want to hear.

"

Several of your posts are easy to disprove with a simple google search, often your 'educated opinions' are from complete fruitcakes that wouldn't know the coronavirus if it jumped up and slapped them in the face.

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By *risky_MareWoman  over a year ago

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"The indian varient has come from the vaccinated people who have been jabbed, it is a varient that has mutated in vaccinated people which has been caused by the jab!

Some world leading vaccine specialists are literally BEGGING for the vaccination program to be halted for this reason.

Names.?

I've given two, that are more - google is your friend.

One of which you said you don't believe his vision

Yes, I am not a true believer like the vaccine culters on here - I am interested in hearing educated opinions from many sources, weighing up their validity and probability in my own opinion and then waiting to see which turns out to have more merit. Sometimes they all have an aspect of the truth.

Science is not all or nothing you know, and the data is changing our understanding daily - or should be.

Yet you keep posting crap about the vaccine. I don't believe you're interested in all the science at all, I believe you're interested in spreading misinformation and causing unrest.

I'm hoping fab will crack down on the false information being posted daily by a few users, especially since there is a crackdown on social media allowing misinformation being posted.

Nope, I haven't posted any crap at all - just verifiable facts and educated opinions you don't want to hear.

Several of your posts are easy to disprove with a simple google search, often your 'educated opinions' are from complete fruitcakes that wouldn't know the coronavirus if it jumped up and slapped them in the face."

Mm-hmm, says the pink bird on a sex site. Maybe it's you that wouldn't know an educated opinion if it slapped you round the face?

In a choice between the pink bird on a sex site and the nobel prize winning discoverer of the HIV virus, well I'll stick with the Nobel fruitcake.

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By *nnie2009Couple  over a year ago

Blackpool


"Vaccines have brought down the death & serious illness rate significantly. Having an appropriate policy of only allowing flights from Red listed countries into a single UK airport, stopping cross contamination with people in terminalsxwould have helped.

But the biggest thing we should do to reduce the impact of new variants, is to make sure every country gets access to the vaccine.

The vaccines will all have some positive effect on new variants, but we will have to continually tweak them (just like we do with flu every year).

Vaccines work, tin hats do not "

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By *eeleyWoman  over a year ago

Dudley


"The indian varient has come from the vaccinated people who have been jabbed, it is a varient that has mutated in vaccinated people which has been caused by the jab!

Some world leading vaccine specialists are literally BEGGING for the vaccination program to be halted for this reason.

Names.?

I've given two, that are more - google is your friend.

One of which you said you don't believe his vision

Yes, I am not a true believer like the vaccine culters on here - I am interested in hearing educated opinions from many sources, weighing up their validity and probability in my own opinion and then waiting to see which turns out to have more merit. Sometimes they all have an aspect of the truth.

Science is not all or nothing you know, and the data is changing our understanding daily - or should be.

Yet you keep posting crap about the vaccine. I don't believe you're interested in all the science at all, I believe you're interested in spreading misinformation and causing unrest.

I'm hoping fab will crack down on the false information being posted daily by a few users, especially since there is a crackdown on social media allowing misinformation being posted.

Nope, I haven't posted any crap at all - just verifiable facts and educated opinions you don't want to hear.

Several of your posts are easy to disprove with a simple google search, often your 'educated opinions' are from complete fruitcakes that wouldn't know the coronavirus if it jumped up and slapped them in the face.

Mm-hmm, says the pink bird on a sex site. Maybe it's you that wouldn't know an educated opinion if it slapped you round the face?

In a choice between the pink bird on a sex site and the nobel prize winning discoverer of the HIV virus, well I'll stick with the Nobel fruitcake."

The guy that is basically a laughing stock in the scientific community since he seems to have boarded the crazy train?

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By *nnie2009Couple  over a year ago

Blackpool


"Great news. The vaccines currently being used in the UK, Pfizer Biontech and Astrazeneca, do give protection against the Indian variant, but only after the second vaccine has been administered and fully taken effect.

This is wonderful news, and it means life here will return to normal in due course.

However, this is an international problem; it will be a long time before the planet has been vaccinated!

So the AZ vaccine is 60% effective at stopping symptomatic infection - so not effective for 4 out of 10.

I wonder how effective it is at stopping infection and transmission? 50% 40% 30%? "

the astra is 85%-90% effective according to Reuters

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By *risky_MareWoman  over a year ago

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[Removed by poster at 24/05/21 17:35:10]

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By *risky_MareWoman  over a year ago

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"Great news. The vaccines currently being used in the UK, Pfizer Biontech and Astrazeneca, do give protection against the Indian variant, but only after the second vaccine has been administered and fully taken effect.

This is wonderful news, and it means life here will return to normal in due course.

However, this is an international problem; it will be a long time before the planet has been vaccinated!

So the AZ vaccine is 60% effective at stopping symptomatic infection - so not effective for 4 out of 10.

I wonder how effective it is at stopping infection and transmission? 50% 40% 30%? the astra is 85%-90% effective according to Reuters "

Not to the Indian variant.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

An educated opinion can still be wrong. Maybe deliberately so...

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By *risky_MareWoman  over a year ago

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"

ve translates to "Luc Montagnier affirms that the SARS-CoV-2 virus was manipulated in a laboratory.""

Yes, and he is correct in that.

VAERS shows 192,954 reports of adverse events following Covid jabs, including 4,057 deaths and 17,190 serious injuries between 14 Dec 2020 & 7 May 2021.

That's 40% of all reported vaccine injuries from ALL vaccines in the last 30 years occurring in the last 5 months.

A 2010 Harvard study showed only 1% of actual injuries are reported to VAERS too, but no, don't worry, the vaccine is totally safe an effective even for young people with virtually no risk of mortality from the virus, so they are all giving fully informed consent.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"The indian varient has come from the vaccinated people who have been jabbed, it is a varient that has mutated in vaccinated people which has been caused by the jab!

Some world leading vaccine specialists are literally BEGGING for the vaccination program to be halted for this reason.

Names.?

I've given two, that are more - google is your friend.

One of which you said you don't believe his vision

Yes, I am not a true believer like the vaccine culters on here - I am interested in hearing educated opinions from many sources, weighing up their validity and probability in my own opinion and then waiting to see which turns out to have more merit. Sometimes they all have an aspect of the truth.

Science is not all or nothing you know, and the data is changing our understanding daily - or should be."

Totally agree.

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By *naswingdressWoman  over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"

ve translates to "Luc Montagnier affirms that the SARS-CoV-2 virus was manipulated in a laboratory."

Yes, and he is correct in that.

VAERS shows 192,954 reports of adverse events following Covid jabs, including 4,057 deaths and 17,190 serious injuries between 14 Dec 2020 & 7 May 2021.

That's 40% of all reported vaccine injuries from ALL vaccines in the last 30 years occurring in the last 5 months.

A 2010 Harvard study showed only 1% of actual injuries are reported to VAERS too, but no, don't worry, the vaccine is totally safe an effective even for young people with virtually no risk of mortality from the virus, so they are all giving fully informed consent. "

Ah, VAERS, that massively reliable source of information.

Did you know that a vaccine turned someone into the Incredible Hulk? It was in VAERS. (And it was removed, but that was only because the person who posted consented to its removal)

I also wonder what a phone app asking about side effects - V Safe - would do to reporting rates. Or indeed pandemic fears.

Such reliable. So sacrosanct. I'm convinced. Wow, vaccines are terrible.

(Looking forward to my next jab )

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By *risky_MareWoman  over a year ago

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"An educated opinion can still be wrong. Maybe deliberately so..."

Oh for sure. But it still hold way more validity than in entirely unqualified opinion on a sex site. ADE is a known phenomenon that is a known problem with coronavirus vaccines, I believe that is why they have all thus far failed, so whilst I hope he is wrong as to the extent of the problem, I know he is right to raise the concern, eg:

Int J Clin Pract

. 2021 Mar;75(3):e13795. doi: 10.1111/ijcp.13795. Epub 2020 Dec 4.

Informed consent disclosure to vaccine trial subjects of risk of COVID-19 vaccines worsening clinical disease

Timothy Cardozo 1, Ronald Veazey 2

Affiliations expand

PMID: 33113270 PMCID: PMC7645850 DOI: 10.1111/ijcp.13795

Free PMC article

Abstract

Aims of the study: Patient comprehension is a critical part of meeting medical ethics standards of informed consent in study designs. The aim of the study was to determine if sufficient literature exists to require clinicians to disclose the specific risk that COVID-19 vaccines could worsen disease upon exposure to challenge or circulating virus..................

Conclusions drawn from the study and clinical implications: The specific and significant COVID-19 risk of ADE should have been and should be prominently and independently disclosed to research subjects currently in vaccine trials, as well as those being recruited for the trials and future patients after vaccine approval, in order to meet the medical ethics standard of patient comprehension for informed consent.....

........

How can people give informed consent when they don't know the risks involved?

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By *risky_MareWoman  over a year ago

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Recent UK figures from Gov.uk site;

1,143 fatal events

(Inc. 51 bloodclot deaths from AZ)

114 spontaneous abortions

786,350 reactions reported 5/5/21

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By *aroheroMan  over a year ago

Immingham

BBC now reporting that India doesn't want anything to do with a new variant and is not to be associated with covid?

And then as if by magic as quick as it came the new Indian variant jst disappeared!!!

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By *eeleyWoman  over a year ago

Dudley


"

ve translates to "Luc Montagnier affirms that the SARS-CoV-2 virus was manipulated in a laboratory."

Yes, and he is correct in that.

VAERS shows 192,954 reports of adverse events following Covid jabs, including 4,057 deaths and 17,190 serious injuries between 14 Dec 2020 & 7 May 2021.

That's 40% of all reported vaccine injuries from ALL vaccines in the last 30 years occurring in the last 5 months.

A 2010 Harvard study showed only 1% of actual injuries are reported to VAERS too, but no, don't worry, the vaccine is totally safe an effective even for young people with virtually no risk of mortality from the virus, so they are all giving fully informed consent. "

Ah, here you go again.

You're ignoring the main word in all of that, reported, I could report that I grew a third tit, it would be noted down and added to all the rest of the reported adverse reactions, that doesn't mean it's true and even if it was, caused by the vaccine.

It explains it on the VAERS website:

Healthcare providers are encouraged to report to VAERS any additional clinically significant AEs following vaccination, even if they are not sure if vaccination caused the event.

We encourage you to report any clinically important medical event or health problem that occurs after vaccination. Report the adverse event even if you are not sure if it was a result of vaccination.

Please stop posting untrue things, you get disproven over and over again and just carry on.

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By *eeleyWoman  over a year ago

Dudley


"Recent UK figures from Gov.uk site;

1,143 fatal events

(Inc. 51 bloodclot deaths from AZ)

114 spontaneous abortions

786,350 reactions reported 5/5/21"

Again, these are reported reactions, not proven to be related to the vaccine, stop twisting things.

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman  over a year ago

all loved up


"Recent UK figures from Gov.uk site;

1,143 fatal events

(Inc. 51 bloodclot deaths from AZ)

114 spontaneous abortions

786,350 reactions reported 5/5/21

Again, these are reported reactions, not proven to be related to the vaccine, stop twisting things. "

some just cant understand... the process is that things are reported If they happen within a certain time limit of having had a vaccine or medication then its listed... what is looked at next is if its different from the norm.. ie... how do the numbers differ from the population that hasn't had the vaccine/drug or whatever.

It is a little more complicated than that but thats the simplified version

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By *risky_MareWoman  over a year ago

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"

ve translates to "Luc Montagnier affirms that the SARS-CoV-2 virus was manipulated in a laboratory."

Yes, and he is correct in that.

VAERS shows 192,954 reports of adverse events following Covid jabs, including 4,057 deaths and 17,190 serious injuries between 14 Dec 2020 & 7 May 2021.

That's 40% of all reported vaccine injuries from ALL vaccines in the last 30 years occurring in the last 5 months.

A 2010 Harvard study showed only 1% of actual injuries are reported to VAERS too, but no, don't worry, the vaccine is totally safe an effective even for young people with virtually no risk of mortality from the virus, so they are all giving fully informed consent.

Ah, here you go again.

You're ignoring the main word in all of that, reported, I could report that I grew a third tit, it would be noted down and added to all the rest of the reported adverse reactions, that doesn't mean it's true and even if it was, caused by the vaccine.

It explains it on the VAERS website:

Healthcare providers are encouraged to report to VAERS any additional clinically significant AEs following vaccination, even if they are not sure if vaccination caused the event.

We encourage you to report any clinically important medical event or health problem that occurs after vaccination. Report the adverse event even if you are not sure if it was a result of vaccination.

"

Your argument is entirely unfounded, as always.

The REPORTED adverse events for US Covid vaccines in the last 5 months are 40% of ALL the REPORTED adverse events that have been REPORTED for ALL the other vaccines put together over the last 30 years.

In simple terms, this means there are MANY MORE adverse events REPORTED for Covid 19 vaccines than any other vaccine, the most obvious explanation of which is they are actually CAUSING MORE.

Thousands of deaths, hundreds of thousands of adverse events - REPORTED. I am simply REPORTING the data, nothing untrue there missy, you just can't handle the truth.

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By *risky_MareWoman  over a year ago

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"Recent UK figures from Gov.uk site;

1,143 fatal events

(Inc. 51 bloodclot deaths from AZ)

114 spontaneous abortions

786,350 reactions reported 5/5/21

Again, these are reported reactions, not proven to be related to the vaccine, stop twisting things. "

All suspected as being related to the vaccine yes, and WAY more than reported suspected as relating to any other vaccine. That's simply the data - get over it.

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman  over a year ago

all loved up


"Recent UK figures from Gov.uk site;

1,143 fatal events

(Inc. 51 bloodclot deaths from AZ)

114 spontaneous abortions

786,350 reactions reported 5/5/21

Again, these are reported reactions, not proven to be related to the vaccine, stop twisting things.

All suspected as being related to the vaccine yes, and WAY more than reported suspected as relating to any other vaccine. That's simply the data - get over it."

not suspected... just happened in a time scale that needed reporting. I bet till now most people wouldn't have known how to report something.

I have read many reports on the vaccines and any suspected or proven side effects. What your repeating is the raw data.

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By *risky_MareWoman  over a year ago

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"Recent UK figures from Gov.uk site;

1,143 fatal events

(Inc. 51 bloodclot deaths from AZ)

114 spontaneous abortions

786,350 reactions reported 5/5/21

Again, these are reported reactions, not proven to be related to the vaccine, stop twisting things.

All suspected as being related to the vaccine yes, and WAY more than reported suspected as relating to any other vaccine. That's simply the data - get over it. not suspected... just happened in a time scale that needed reporting. I bet till now most people wouldn't have known how to report something.

I have read many reports on the vaccines and any suspected or proven side effects. What your repeating is the raw data."

Exactly, and the raw data for Covid vaccines is many, many times more than the raw data for any other vaccine in the last 30 years.

Previous vaccines have been pulled after fifty deaths......there have been thousands and thousands reported for these new vaccines.

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman  over a year ago

all loved up


"Recent UK figures from Gov.uk site;

1,143 fatal events

(Inc. 51 bloodclot deaths from AZ)

114 spontaneous abortions

786,350 reactions reported 5/5/21

Again, these are reported reactions, not proven to be related to the vaccine, stop twisting things.

All suspected as being related to the vaccine yes, and WAY more than reported suspected as relating to any other vaccine. That's simply the data - get over it. not suspected... just happened in a time scale that needed reporting. I bet till now most people wouldn't have known how to report something.

I have read many reports on the vaccines and any suspected or proven side effects. What your repeating is the raw data.

Exactly, and the raw data for Covid vaccines is many, many times more than the raw data for any other vaccine in the last 30 years.

Previous vaccines have been pulled after fifty deaths......there have been thousands and thousands reported for these new vaccines.

"

as its more in the public eye. The vaccine is tried and tested... it's been through all the same trials as a regular vaccine would have been.

If people dont want it that's on them... I didnt know till all this that you could even report an adverse reaction to anything. Now most of the world knows.

Try looking at the results for the zoe covid app and vaccine side effects.... that is a real world study. It is easy to understand and shows that majority have had minimal issues. I had worse symptoms from my flu jab.

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By *risky_MareWoman  over a year ago

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"Recent UK figures from Gov.uk site;

1,143 fatal events

(Inc. 51 bloodclot deaths from AZ)

114 spontaneous abortions

786,350 reactions reported 5/5/21

Again, these are reported reactions, not proven to be related to the vaccine, stop twisting things.

All suspected as being related to the vaccine yes, and WAY more than reported suspected as relating to any other vaccine. That's simply the data - get over it. not suspected... just happened in a time scale that needed reporting. I bet till now most people wouldn't have known how to report something.

I have read many reports on the vaccines and any suspected or proven side effects. What your repeating is the raw data.

Exactly, and the raw data for Covid vaccines is many, many times more than the raw data for any other vaccine in the last 30 years.

Previous vaccines have been pulled after fifty deaths......there have been thousands and thousands reported for these new vaccines.

as its more in the public eye. The vaccine is tried and tested... it's been through all the same trials as a regular vaccine would have been.

If people dont want it that's on them... I didnt know till all this that you could even report an adverse reaction to anything. Now most of the world knows.

Try looking at the results for the zoe covid app and vaccine side effects.... that is a real world study. It is easy to understand and shows that majority have had minimal issues. I had worse symptoms from my flu jab.

"

Sure, millions will have no problem at all, in terms of immediate effects anyway.

But in the US where 2 or 3 per million are hospitalised with flu jabs, and deaths reported are no more than 0.2, with the Covid jabs that increased to nearly 70 per million hospitalised afterwards, and 25 per million deaths.

That's more than 100x the risk.

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman  over a year ago

all loved up


"Recent UK figures from Gov.uk site;

1,143 fatal events

(Inc. 51 bloodclot deaths from AZ)

114 spontaneous abortions

786,350 reactions reported 5/5/21

Again, these are reported reactions, not proven to be related to the vaccine, stop twisting things.

All suspected as being related to the vaccine yes, and WAY more than reported suspected as relating to any other vaccine. That's simply the data - get over it. not suspected... just happened in a time scale that needed reporting. I bet till now most people wouldn't have known how to report something.

I have read many reports on the vaccines and any suspected or proven side effects. What your repeating is the raw data.

Exactly, and the raw data for Covid vaccines is many, many times more than the raw data for any other vaccine in the last 30 years.

Previous vaccines have been pulled after fifty deaths......there have been thousands and thousands reported for these new vaccines.

as its more in the public eye. The vaccine is tried and tested... it's been through all the same trials as a regular vaccine would have been.

If people dont want it that's on them... I didnt know till all this that you could even report an adverse reaction to anything. Now most of the world knows.

Try looking at the results for the zoe covid app and vaccine side effects.... that is a real world study. It is easy to understand and shows that majority have had minimal issues. I had worse symptoms from my flu jab.

Sure, millions will have no problem at all, in terms of immediate effects anyway.

But in the US where 2 or 3 per million are hospitalised with flu jabs, and deaths reported are no more than 0.2, with the Covid jabs that increased to nearly 70 per million hospitalised afterwards, and 25 per million deaths.

That's more than 100x the risk."

I will agree to disagree. I've looked for those figures on the cdc and several other sites. However couldn't find anything even remotely similar.

This is what the nhs is saying. Remember that symptoms reported dont actually mean it was to do with the vaccine.

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/coronavirus-vaccination/coronavirus-vaccine/

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By *risky_MareWoman  over a year ago

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"Recent UK figures from Gov.uk site;

1,143 fatal events

(Inc. 51 bloodclot deaths from AZ)

114 spontaneous abortions

786,350 reactions reported 5/5/21

Again, these are reported reactions, not proven to be related to the vaccine, stop twisting things.

All suspected as being related to the vaccine yes, and WAY more than reported suspected as relating to any other vaccine. That's simply the data - get over it. not suspected... just happened in a time scale that needed reporting. I bet till now most people wouldn't have known how to report something.

I have read many reports on the vaccines and any suspected or proven side effects. What your repeating is the raw data.

Exactly, and the raw data for Covid vaccines is many, many times more than the raw data for any other vaccine in the last 30 years.

Previous vaccines have been pulled after fifty deaths......there have been thousands and thousands reported for these new vaccines.

as its more in the public eye. The vaccine is tried and tested... it's been through all the same trials as a regular vaccine would have been.

If people dont want it that's on them... I didnt know till all this that you could even report an adverse reaction to anything. Now most of the world knows.

Try looking at the results for the zoe covid app and vaccine side effects.... that is a real world study. It is easy to understand and shows that majority have had minimal issues. I had worse symptoms from my flu jab.

Sure, millions will have no problem at all, in terms of immediate effects anyway.

But in the US where 2 or 3 per million are hospitalised with flu jabs, and deaths reported are no more than 0.2, with the Covid jabs that increased to nearly 70 per million hospitalised afterwards, and 25 per million deaths.

That's more than 100x the risk.

I will agree to disagree. I've looked for those figures on the cdc and several other sites. However couldn't find anything even remotely similar.

This is what the nhs is saying. Remember that symptoms reported dont actually mean it was to do with the vaccine.

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/coronavirus-vaccination/coronavirus-vaccine/

"

It's VAERS data, freely available.

Reported deaths and injuries need to be investigated of course, and sometimes that investigation can be painfully slow. You cannot rule out causation until that is done either.

With estimations of maybe only 1% being reported, it could take months for the information to trickle through and be analysed, and then for science to work out WHY what occurred occurred, and who is at risk, for what reason....

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By *eeleyWoman  over a year ago

Dudley

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By *eeleyWoman  over a year ago

Dudley


"

ve translates to "Luc Montagnier affirms that the SARS-CoV-2 virus was manipulated in a laboratory."

Yes, and he is correct in that.

VAERS shows 192,954 reports of adverse events following Covid jabs, including 4,057 deaths and 17,190 serious injuries between 14 Dec 2020 & 7 May 2021.

That's 40% of all reported vaccine injuries from ALL vaccines in the last 30 years occurring in the last 5 months.

A 2010 Harvard study showed only 1% of actual injuries are reported to VAERS too, but no, don't worry, the vaccine is totally safe an effective even for young people with virtually no risk of mortality from the virus, so they are all giving fully informed consent.

Ah, here you go again.

You're ignoring the main word in all of that, reported, I could report that I grew a third tit, it would be noted down and added to all the rest of the reported adverse reactions, that doesn't mean it's true and even if it was, caused by the vaccine.

It explains it on the VAERS website:

Healthcare providers are encouraged to report to VAERS any additional clinically significant AEs following vaccination, even if they are not sure if vaccination caused the event.

We encourage you to report any clinically important medical event or health problem that occurs after vaccination. Report the adverse event even if you are not sure if it was a result of vaccination.

Your argument is entirely unfounded, as always.

The REPORTED adverse events for US Covid vaccines in the last 5 months are 40% of ALL the REPORTED adverse events that have been REPORTED for ALL the other vaccines put together over the last 30 years.

In simple terms, this means there are MANY MORE adverse events REPORTED for Covid 19 vaccines than any other vaccine, the most obvious explanation of which is they are actually CAUSING MORE.

Thousands of deaths, hundreds of thousands of adverse events - REPORTED. I am simply REPORTING the data, nothing untrue there missy, you just can't handle the truth."

Right so, since everyone now knows you can report anything within a certain time frame, surprise surprise, people are!

The data is NOT conclusive,they are simply reports, not proven to have anything to do with the vaccine. There are more because the reporting system is easily accessible online and has been discussed far more in the last year than ever before.

You are not showing any 'truth', you're trying to put a negative spin on data that is not conclusive. Sad really that you're going to such lengths to put a downer on one of the greatest vaccination programs ever to exist.

Glass half empty much?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Well said

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman  over a year ago

all loved up


"Recent UK figures from Gov.uk site;

1,143 fatal events

(Inc. 51 bloodclot deaths from AZ)

114 spontaneous abortions

786,350 reactions reported 5/5/21

Again, these are reported reactions, not proven to be related to the vaccine, stop twisting things.

All suspected as being related to the vaccine yes, and WAY more than reported suspected as relating to any other vaccine. That's simply the data - get over it. not suspected... just happened in a time scale that needed reporting. I bet till now most people wouldn't have known how to report something.

I have read many reports on the vaccines and any suspected or proven side effects. What your repeating is the raw data.

Exactly, and the raw data for Covid vaccines is many, many times more than the raw data for any other vaccine in the last 30 years.

Previous vaccines have been pulled after fifty deaths......there have been thousands and thousands reported for these new vaccines.

as its more in the public eye. The vaccine is tried and tested... it's been through all the same trials as a regular vaccine would have been.

If people dont want it that's on them... I didnt know till all this that you could even report an adverse reaction to anything. Now most of the world knows.

Try looking at the results for the zoe covid app and vaccine side effects.... that is a real world study. It is easy to understand and shows that majority have had minimal issues. I had worse symptoms from my flu jab.

Sure, millions will have no problem at all, in terms of immediate effects anyway.

But in the US where 2 or 3 per million are hospitalised with flu jabs, and deaths reported are no more than 0.2, with the Covid jabs that increased to nearly 70 per million hospitalised afterwards, and 25 per million deaths.

That's more than 100x the risk.

I will agree to disagree. I've looked for those figures on the cdc and several other sites. However couldn't find anything even remotely similar.

This is what the nhs is saying. Remember that symptoms reported dont actually mean it was to do with the vaccine.

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/coronavirus-vaccination/coronavirus-vaccine/

It's VAERS data, freely available.

Reported deaths and injuries need to be investigated of course, and sometimes that investigation can be painfully slow. You cannot rule out causation until that is done either.

With estimations of maybe only 1% being reported, it could take months for the information to trickle through and be analysed, and then for science to work out WHY what occurred occurred, and who is at risk, for what reason....

"

as I've said and Keeley has also pointed out. This is the reported data not correlated data. Your ignoring what's being said and explained... if there were thousands of deaths it would have been stopped. Please stop trying to be so negative about this. I had already pointed out that the raw data is not an indication of vaccine safety.

Try the zoe apps research on side effects... as that's a very good indication and very positive

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By *ewfie02Couple  over a year ago

Ayrshire

I can't get it. I never eat curry

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By *risky_MareWoman  over a year ago

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"Recent UK figures from Gov.uk site;

1,143 fatal events

(Inc. 51 bloodclot deaths from AZ)

114 spontaneous abortions

786,350 reactions reported 5/5/21

Again, these are reported reactions, not proven to be related to the vaccine, stop twisting things.

All suspected as being related to the vaccine yes, and WAY more than reported suspected as relating to any other vaccine. That's simply the data - get over it. not suspected... just happened in a time scale that needed reporting. I bet till now most people wouldn't have known how to report something.

I have read many reports on the vaccines and any suspected or proven side effects. What your repeating is the raw data.

Exactly, and the raw data for Covid vaccines is many, many times more than the raw data for any other vaccine in the last 30 years.

Previous vaccines have been pulled after fifty deaths......there have been thousands and thousands reported for these new vaccines.

as its more in the public eye. The vaccine is tried and tested... it's been through all the same trials as a regular vaccine would have been.

If people dont want it that's on them... I didnt know till all this that you could even report an adverse reaction to anything. Now most of the world knows.

Try looking at the results for the zoe covid app and vaccine side effects.... that is a real world study. It is easy to understand and shows that majority have had minimal issues. I had worse symptoms from my flu jab.

Sure, millions will have no problem at all, in terms of immediate effects anyway.

But in the US where 2 or 3 per million are hospitalised with flu jabs, and deaths reported are no more than 0.2, with the Covid jabs that increased to nearly 70 per million hospitalised afterwards, and 25 per million deaths.

That's more than 100x the risk.

I will agree to disagree. I've looked for those figures on the cdc and several other sites. However couldn't find anything even remotely similar.

This is what the nhs is saying. Remember that symptoms reported dont actually mean it was to do with the vaccine.

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/coronavirus-vaccination/coronavirus-vaccine/

It's VAERS data, freely available.

Reported deaths and injuries need to be investigated of course, and sometimes that investigation can be painfully slow. You cannot rule out causation until that is done either.

With estimations of maybe only 1% being reported, it could take months for the information to trickle through and be analysed, and then for science to work out WHY what occurred occurred, and who is at risk, for what reason....

as I've said and Keeley has also pointed out. This is the reported data not correlated data. Your ignoring what's being said and explained... if there were thousands of deaths it would have been stopped. Please stop trying to be so negative about this. I had already pointed out that the raw data is not an indication of vaccine safety.

Try the zoe apps research on side effects... as that's a very good indication and very positive "

Yes, the raw data is indeed an indication of safety, and the serious adverse effects follow a clear pattern. It may be worth the risk to the millions who have thus far avoided any serious ill effect, but not for thousands of others. Denial is not truth.

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By *risky_MareWoman  over a year ago

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Reported UK MHRA Covid Vaccine events up to 12th May 2021:

Deaths 1,180

Blood Disorders 11,313

Cardiac Disorders 8,813

Ear Disorders 8,450

Gastrointestinal Disorders 82,315 Nervous System Disorders 171,187

Estimated a maximum 10% events reported.

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By *risky_MareWoman  over a year ago

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"Reported UK MHRA Covid Vaccine events up to 12th May 2021:

Deaths 1,180

Blood Disorders 11,313

Cardiac Disorders 8,813

Ear Disorders 8,450

Gastrointestinal Disorders 82,315 Nervous System Disorders 171,187

Estimated a maximum 10% events reported."

Oh but no reports of ADE yet that I have heard, so that's good.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"The indian varient has come from the vaccinated people who have been jabbed, it is a varient that has mutated in vaccinated people which has been caused by the jab!

Some world leading vaccine specialists are literally BEGGING for the vaccination program to be halted for this reason."

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman  over a year ago

all loved up


"The indian varient has come from the vaccinated people who have been jabbed, it is a varient that has mutated in vaccinated people which has been caused by the jab!

Some world leading vaccine specialists are literally BEGGING for the vaccination program to be halted for this reason. "

Where did this come from? As not what I've read... they are saying that the vaccine will offer protection from it but only fully vaccinated

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By *otsossieMan  over a year ago

Chesterfield


"The indian varient has come from the vaccinated people who have been jabbed, it is a varient that has mutated in vaccinated people which has been caused by the jab!

Some world leading vaccine specialists are literally BEGGING for the vaccination program to be halted for this reason. "

Absolute nonsense. The virus mutates naturally within infected populations. The problem is the large reservoirs of unvaccinated people who are not equipped to deal with the virus.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple  over a year ago

North West


"The indian varient has come from the vaccinated people who have been jabbed, it is a varient that has mutated in vaccinated people which has been caused by the jab!

Some world leading vaccine specialists are literally BEGGING for the vaccination program to be halted for this reason.

Where did this come from? As not what I've read... they are saying that the vaccine will offer protection from it but only fully vaccinated "

It comes from the same discredited "specialists" we've already discussed

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By *risky_MareWoman  over a year ago

...Up on the Downs


"The indian varient has come from the vaccinated people who have been jabbed, it is a varient that has mutated in vaccinated people which has been caused by the jab!

Some world leading vaccine specialists are literally BEGGING for the vaccination program to be halted for this reason.

Where did this come from? As not what I've read... they are saying that the vaccine will offer protection from it but only fully vaccinated

It comes from the same discredited "specialists" we've already discussed "

They are not discredited at all - just misquoted and attacked by those who do not accept divergence of opinion. It's the usual dishonest MO of your cancel culture, very immoral.

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By *risky_MareWoman  over a year ago

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"The indian varient has come from the vaccinated people who have been jabbed, it is a varient that has mutated in vaccinated people which has been caused by the jab!

Some world leading vaccine specialists are literally BEGGING for the vaccination program to be halted for this reason.

Absolute nonsense. The virus mutates naturally within infected populations. The problem is the large reservoirs of unvaccinated people who are not equipped to deal with the virus. "

And yet the vaccinated are in hospital along with the unvaccinated.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple  over a year ago

North West


"The indian varient has come from the vaccinated people who have been jabbed, it is a varient that has mutated in vaccinated people which has been caused by the jab!

Some world leading vaccine specialists are literally BEGGING for the vaccination program to be halted for this reason.

Where did this come from? As not what I've read... they are saying that the vaccine will offer protection from it but only fully vaccinated

It comes from the same discredited "specialists" we've already discussed

They are not discredited at all - just misquoted and attacked by those who do not accept divergence of opinion. It's the usual dishonest MO of your cancel culture, very immoral."

Cancel culture?! Hilarious

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By *risky_MareWoman  over a year ago

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But it's OK anyway, Indian states rolling out Ivermectin are showing a dramatic turnaround.

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By *S2004Man  over a year ago

Bromsgrove


"The indian varient has come from the vaccinated people who have been jabbed, it is a varient that has mutated in vaccinated people which has been caused by the jab!

Some world leading vaccine specialists are literally BEGGING for the vaccination program to be halted for this reason.

Absolute nonsense. The virus mutates naturally within infected populations. The problem is the large reservoirs of unvaccinated people who are not equipped to deal with the virus.

And yet the vaccinated are in hospital along with the unvaccinated."

Genuine question , do we have the figures on how many vaccinated are in hospital alongside unvaccinated in relation to the levels of vaccination in the area.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple  over a year ago

North West


"But it's OK anyway, Indian states rolling out Ivermectin are showing a dramatic turnaround."

[Citation needed]

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By *inky_couple2020Couple  over a year ago

North West


"The indian varient has come from the vaccinated people who have been jabbed, it is a varient that has mutated in vaccinated people which has been caused by the jab!

Some world leading vaccine specialists are literally BEGGING for the vaccination program to be halted for this reason.

Absolute nonsense. The virus mutates naturally within infected populations. The problem is the large reservoirs of unvaccinated people who are not equipped to deal with the virus.

And yet the vaccinated are in hospital along with the unvaccinated.

Genuine question , do we have the figures on how many vaccinated are in hospital alongside unvaccinated in relation to the levels of vaccination in the area."

We don't. We have Matt Hancock's testimony in Parliament last week and that's about it. Of the people in hospital in Bolton with Covid when he spoke, 5 had received 1 dose (so half the required course) and 1 had received 2 doses. The latter patient was described as very frail and previously unwell. The majority had received no vaccine. This was stated by the Secretary of State in the House of Commons last week.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/19-people-hospital-bolton-covid-20617266

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By *orny andy yorkMan  over a year ago

york


"The indian varient has come from the vaccinated people who have been jabbed, it is a varient that has mutated in vaccinated people which has been caused by the jab!

Some world leading vaccine specialists are literally BEGGING for the vaccination program to be halted for this reason.

Names.?

I've given two, that are more - google is your friend.

One of which you said you don't believe his vision

Yes, I am not a true believer like the vaccine culters on here - I am interested in hearing educated opinions from many sources, weighing up their validity and probability in my own opinion and then waiting to see which turns out to have more merit. Sometimes they all have an aspect of the truth.

Science is not all or nothing you know, and the data is changing our understanding daily - or should be.

Yet you keep posting crap about the vaccine. I don't believe you're interested in all the science at all, I believe you're interested in spreading misinformation and causing unrest.

I'm hoping fab will crack down on the false information being posted daily by a few users, especially since there is a crackdown on social media allowing misinformation being posted.

Nope, I haven't posted any crap at all - just verifiable facts and educated opinions you don't want to hear.

"

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By *orny andy yorkMan  over a year ago

york


"But it's OK anyway, Indian states rolling out Ivermectin are showing a dramatic turnaround."

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By *ucka39Man  over a year ago

Newcastle

The vaccine were never a cure, but how a body is able to adapt and adjust to increase the immune system to produce antibodies as a defence,

Lower the risks of death which made it easier to control, in general people are carriers for all sorts from hepatitis, flu, and are unsure to point out who they are infected by but gradually weakens the immune system or unable to respond due to not having a healthy lifestyle even based around hygiene.

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By *eeleyWoman  over a year ago

Dudley


"But it's OK anyway, Indian states rolling out Ivermectin are showing a dramatic turnaround."

Source?

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By *ethnmelvCouple  over a year ago

Cardiff


"But it's OK anyway, Indian states rolling out Ivermectin are showing a dramatic turnaround."

Lest we miss out on any facts: “But the drug's efficacy for COVID-19 has not been proven in a large randomized controlled trial, and no prominent health group -- the NIH and the WHO among them -- has recommended the drug in treatment or prophylaxis.”

It does not have any support for use, has no evidence of success and sit with Bleach. If you are wary of vaccines, why on earth are you not against quack solutions that are not tested!?

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By *naswingdressWoman  over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"The indian varient has come from the vaccinated people who have been jabbed, it is a varient that has mutated in vaccinated people which has been caused by the jab!

Some world leading vaccine specialists are literally BEGGING for the vaccination program to be halted for this reason.

Where did this come from? As not what I've read... they are saying that the vaccine will offer protection from it but only fully vaccinated

It comes from the same discredited "specialists" we've already discussed

They are not discredited at all - just misquoted and attacked by those who do not accept divergence of opinion. It's the usual dishonest MO of your cancel culture, very immoral.

Cancel culture?! Hilarious "

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By *eeleyWoman  over a year ago

Dudley


"The indian varient has come from the vaccinated people who have been jabbed, it is a varient that has mutated in vaccinated people which has been caused by the jab!

Some world leading vaccine specialists are literally BEGGING for the vaccination program to be halted for this reason.

Where did this come from? As not what I've read... they are saying that the vaccine will offer protection from it but only fully vaccinated

It comes from the same discredited "specialists" we've already discussed

They are not discredited at all - just misquoted and attacked by those who do not accept divergence of opinion. It's the usual dishonest MO of your cancel culture, very immoral.

Cancel culture?! Hilarious

"

There's a few on here I'd like to cancel

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By *naswingdressWoman  over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

The idea that requiring scientific rigour is cancel culture... My sides hurt from laughing

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By *ob198XaMan  over a year ago

teleford


"The indian varient has come from the vaccinated people who have been jabbed, it is a varient that has mutated in vaccinated people which has been caused by the jab!"

Remember the 1916 flu pandemic that killed more than the war? It’s been show the second, more deadly wave was a new variant. I suppose that variant arose in vaccinated people did it.

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By *I TwoCouple  over a year ago

PDI 12-26th Nov 24


"The indian varient has come from the vaccinated people who have been jabbed, it is a varient that has mutated in vaccinated people which has been caused by the jab!

Remember the 1916 flu pandemic that killed more than the war? It’s been show the second, more deadly wave was a new variant. I suppose that variant arose in vaccinated people did it. "

They certainly didn't have the technology to determine the structure or identity of a virus in 1916

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By *ob198XaMan  over a year ago

teleford


"The indian varient has come from the vaccinated people who have been jabbed, it is a varient that has mutated in vaccinated people which has been caused by the jab!

Remember the 1916 flu pandemic that killed more than the war? It’s been show the second, more deadly wave was a new variant. I suppose that variant arose in vaccinated people did it.

They certainly didn't have the technology to determine the structure or identity of a virus in 1916"

No but they have been able to do so more recently. There is a peer reviewed study someplace.

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By *iss selectiveWoman  over a year ago

Newcastle

Oh IV had both I'm so happy

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By *inky_couple2020Couple  over a year ago

North West

Full Fact has a decent article, with links, re: the 1918 pandemic. Basically there's insufficient evidence to say second or subsequent waves were due to a mutated virus, but it's certainly possible. Influenza viruses have a fairly high rate of mutation, much more so than coronaviruses.

Title: The 1918 pandemic did have a deadly second wave, but not due to quarantine being lifted

Date: 19 MAY 2020

From Full Fact website

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By *risky_MareWoman  over a year ago

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"But it's OK anyway, Indian states rolling out Ivermectin are showing a dramatic turnaround.

Lest we miss out on any facts: “But the drug's efficacy for COVID-19 has not been proven in a large randomized controlled trial, and no prominent health group -- the NIH and the WHO among them -- has recommended the drug in treatment or prophylaxis.”

It does not have any support for use, has no evidence of success and sit with Bleach. If you are wary of vaccines, why on earth are you not against quack solutions that are not tested!? "

What an ignorant reply.

Ivermectin is a fabulous drug, it's discovery earned a nobel prize it's so fantastic, and safe. It's been in safe human and veterinary use for many years, and I am very comfortable and familiar with it's use. I know it's being used successfully by millions, I can talk to Doctors using it all over the world, and I will not hesitate to use it myself for prophylaxis or treatment.

Tess Lawrie's meta-analysis that recommends it is rolled out worldwide has been peer reviewed and accepted for publication anyway, maybe that'll help your skepticism when it comes out. Bear in mind the vaccines could not have gotten emergency approval if there was an effective treatment approved, so cheap generics will always received massive opposition.

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By *risky_MareWoman  over a year ago

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"Full Fact has a decent article, with links, re: the 1918 pandemic. Basically there's insufficient evidence to say second or subsequent waves were due to a mutated virus, but it's certainly possible. Influenza viruses have a fairly high rate of mutation, much more so than coronaviruses.

Title: The 1918 pandemic did have a deadly second wave, but not due to quarantine being lifted

Date: 19 MAY 2020

From Full Fact website"

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman  over a year ago

all loved up


"But it's OK anyway, Indian states rolling out Ivermectin are showing a dramatic turnaround.

Lest we miss out on any facts: “But the drug's efficacy for COVID-19 has not been proven in a large randomized controlled trial, and no prominent health group -- the NIH and the WHO among them -- has recommended the drug in treatment or prophylaxis.”

It does not have any support for use, has no evidence of success and sit with Bleach. If you are wary of vaccines, why on earth are you not against quack solutions that are not tested!?

What an ignorant reply.

Ivermectin is a fabulous drug, it's discovery earned a nobel prize it's so fantastic, and safe. It's been in safe human and veterinary use for many years, and I am very comfortable and familiar with it's use. I know it's being used successfully by millions, I can talk to Doctors using it all over the world, and I will not hesitate to use it myself for prophylaxis or treatment.

Tess Lawrie's meta-analysis that recommends it is rolled out worldwide has been peer reviewed and accepted for publication anyway, maybe that'll help your skepticism when it comes out. Bear in mind the vaccines could not have gotten emergency approval if there was an effective treatment approved, so cheap generics will always received massive opposition.

"

https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/ivermectin-why-potential-covid-treatment-isnt-recommended-use

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By *ethnmelvCouple  over a year ago

Cardiff


"But it's OK anyway, Indian states rolling out Ivermectin are showing a dramatic turnaround.

Lest we miss out on any facts: “But the drug's efficacy for COVID-19 has not been proven in a large randomized controlled trial, and no prominent health group -- the NIH and the WHO among them -- has recommended the drug in treatment or prophylaxis.”

It does not have any support for use, has no evidence of success and sit with Bleach. If you are wary of vaccines, why on earth are you not against quack solutions that are not tested!?

What an ignorant reply.

Ivermectin is a fabulous drug, it's discovery earned a nobel prize it's so fantastic, and safe. It's been in safe human and veterinary use for many years, and I am very comfortable and familiar with it's use. I know it's being used successfully by millions, I can talk to Doctors using it all over the world, and I will not hesitate to use it myself for prophylaxis or treatment.

Tess Lawrie's meta-analysis that recommends it is rolled out worldwide has been peer reviewed and accepted for publication anyway, maybe that'll help your skepticism when it comes out. Bear in mind the vaccines could not have gotten emergency approval if there was an effective treatment approved, so cheap generics will always received massive opposition.

"

It is ignorant in what way? Your wonder drug, like lots of Trumps snake oil is less tested than vaccines against Covid. But for some obscure reason you jump on it as an elixir.

Using your own arguments against vaccines on these and you will see why people feel you are being more than a bit daft - do you have investments in these treatments

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"But it's OK anyway, Indian states rolling out Ivermectin are showing a dramatic turnaround.

Lest we miss out on any facts: “But the drug's efficacy for COVID-19 has not been proven in a large randomized controlled trial, and no prominent health group -- the NIH and the WHO among them -- has recommended the drug in treatment or prophylaxis.”

It does not have any support for use, has no evidence of success and sit with Bleach. If you are wary of vaccines, why on earth are you not against quack solutions that are not tested!?

What an ignorant reply.

Ivermectin is a fabulous drug, it's discovery earned a nobel prize it's so fantastic, and safe. It's been in safe human and veterinary use for many years, and I am very comfortable and familiar with it's use. I know it's being used successfully by millions, I can talk to Doctors using it all over the world, and I will not hesitate to use it myself for prophylaxis or treatment.

Tess Lawrie's meta-analysis that recommends it is rolled out worldwide has been peer reviewed and accepted for publication anyway, maybe that'll help your skepticism when it comes out. Bear in mind the vaccines could not have gotten emergency approval if there was an effective treatment approved, so cheap generics will always received massive opposition.

"

exactly

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By *risky_MareWoman  over a year ago

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"But it's OK anyway, Indian states rolling out Ivermectin are showing a dramatic turnaround.

Lest we miss out on any facts: “But the drug's efficacy for COVID-19 has not been proven in a large randomized controlled trial, and no prominent health group -- the NIH and the WHO among them -- has recommended the drug in treatment or prophylaxis.”

It does not have any support for use, has no evidence of success and sit with Bleach. If you are wary of vaccines, why on earth are you not against quack solutions that are not tested!?

What an ignorant reply.

Ivermectin is a fabulous drug, it's discovery earned a nobel prize it's so fantastic, and safe. It's been in safe human and veterinary use for many years, and I am very comfortable and familiar with it's use. I know it's being used successfully by millions, I can talk to Doctors using it all over the world, and I will not hesitate to use it myself for prophylaxis or treatment.

Tess Lawrie's meta-analysis that recommends it is rolled out worldwide has been peer reviewed and accepted for publication anyway, maybe that'll help your skepticism when it comes out. Bear in mind the vaccines could not have gotten emergency approval if there was an effective treatment approved, so cheap generics will always received massive opposition.

https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/ivermectin-why-potential-covid-treatment-isnt-recommended-use"

Sure, cheap, safe, generic treatments are always going face opposition from the vaccine lobby. But the data will continue to mount, and there will be more and more clarity one way or another. I hope for the worlds sake it turns out to be life saver.

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By *risky_MareWoman  over a year ago

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"But it's OK anyway, Indian states rolling out Ivermectin are showing a dramatic turnaround.

Lest we miss out on any facts: “But the drug's efficacy for COVID-19 has not been proven in a large randomized controlled trial, and no prominent health group -- the NIH and the WHO among them -- has recommended the drug in treatment or prophylaxis.”

It does not have any support for use, has no evidence of success and sit with Bleach. If you are wary of vaccines, why on earth are you not against quack solutions that are not tested!?

What an ignorant reply.

Ivermectin is a fabulous drug, it's discovery earned a nobel prize it's so fantastic, and safe. It's been in safe human and veterinary use for many years, and I am very comfortable and familiar with it's use. I know it's being used successfully by millions, I can talk to Doctors using it all over the world, and I will not hesitate to use it myself for prophylaxis or treatment.

Tess Lawrie's meta-analysis that recommends it is rolled out worldwide has been peer reviewed and accepted for publication anyway, maybe that'll help your skepticism when it comes out. Bear in mind the vaccines could not have gotten emergency approval if there was an effective treatment approved, so cheap generics will always received massive opposition.

It is ignorant in what way? Your wonder drug, like lots of Trumps snake oil is less tested than vaccines against Covid. But for some obscure reason you jump on it as an elixir.

Using your own arguments against vaccines on these and you will see why people feel you are being more than a bit daft - do you have investments in these treatments "

You misunderstand and misrepresent.

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By *ethnmelvCouple  over a year ago

Cardiff


"But it's OK anyway, Indian states rolling out Ivermectin are showing a dramatic turnaround.

Lest we miss out on any facts: “But the drug's efficacy for COVID-19 has not been proven in a large randomized controlled trial, and no prominent health group -- the NIH and the WHO among them -- has recommended the drug in treatment or prophylaxis.”

It does not have any support for use, has no evidence of success and sit with Bleach. If you are wary of vaccines, why on earth are you not against quack solutions that are not tested!?

What an ignorant reply.

Ivermectin is a fabulous drug, it's discovery earned a nobel prize it's so fantastic, and safe. It's been in safe human and veterinary use for many years, and I am very comfortable and familiar with it's use. I know it's being used successfully by millions, I can talk to Doctors using it all over the world, and I will not hesitate to use it myself for prophylaxis or treatment.

Tess Lawrie's meta-analysis that recommends it is rolled out worldwide has been peer reviewed and accepted for publication anyway, maybe that'll help your skepticism when it comes out. Bear in mind the vaccines could not have gotten emergency approval if there was an effective treatment approved, so cheap generics will always received massive opposition.

It is ignorant in what way? Your wonder drug, like lots of Trumps snake oil is less tested than vaccines against Covid. But for some obscure reason you jump on it as an elixir.

Using your own arguments against vaccines on these and you will see why people feel you are being more than a bit daft - do you have investments in these treatments

You misunderstand and misrepresent. "

Ok, so I checked & it seems your pet solution has not been tested and is not approved. What have I got wrong?

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By *eeleyWoman  over a year ago

Dudley


"But it's OK anyway, Indian states rolling out Ivermectin are showing a dramatic turnaround.

Lest we miss out on any facts: “But the drug's efficacy for COVID-19 has not been proven in a large randomized controlled trial, and no prominent health group -- the NIH and the WHO among them -- has recommended the drug in treatment or prophylaxis.”

It does not have any support for use, has no evidence of success and sit with Bleach. If you are wary of vaccines, why on earth are you not against quack solutions that are not tested!?

What an ignorant reply.

Ivermectin is a fabulous drug, it's discovery earned a nobel prize it's so fantastic, and safe. It's been in safe human and veterinary use for many years, and I am very comfortable and familiar with it's use. I know it's being used successfully by millions, I can talk to Doctors using it all over the world, and I will not hesitate to use it myself for prophylaxis or treatment.

Tess Lawrie's meta-analysis that recommends it is rolled out worldwide has been peer reviewed and accepted for publication anyway, maybe that'll help your skepticism when it comes out. Bear in mind the vaccines could not have gotten emergency approval if there was an effective treatment approved, so cheap generics will always received massive opposition.

It is ignorant in what way? Your wonder drug, like lots of Trumps snake oil is less tested than vaccines against Covid. But for some obscure reason you jump on it as an elixir.

Using your own arguments against vaccines on these and you will see why people feel you are being more than a bit daft - do you have investments in these treatments

You misunderstand and misrepresent.

Ok, so I checked & it seems your pet solution has not been tested and is not approved. What have I got wrong? "

Because obviously, those points make it safer than the vaccine

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By *inky_couple2020Couple  over a year ago

North West


"

Tess Lawrie's meta-analysis that recommends it is rolled out worldwide has been peer reviewed and accepted for publication anyway, maybe that'll help your skepticism when it comes out. Bear in mind the vaccines could not have gotten emergency approval if there was an effective treatment approved, so cheap generics will always received massive opposition.

"

Tess Lawrie's meta-analysis has NOT been published in a peer reviewed journal. It has been "published" by the Limited company she runs! You cannot publish something you wrote on your own website and claim it is peer reviewed. I'd be happy to be directed to the peer review citation, i.e the one with the name of a journal title, volume/issue number and page number.

Citation for the analysis document:

Tess Lawrie: Ivermectin reduces the risk of death from COVID-19 – a rapid review and meta-analysis in support of the recommendation of the Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance. 3 January 2021. Evidence-based Medicine Consultancy Ltd. Bath

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By *risky_MareWoman  over a year ago

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"

Tess Lawrie's meta-analysis that recommends it is rolled out worldwide has been peer reviewed and accepted for publication anyway, maybe that'll help your skepticism when it comes out. Bear in mind the vaccines could not have gotten emergency approval if there was an effective treatment approved, so cheap generics will always received massive opposition.

Tess Lawrie's meta-analysis has NOT been published in a peer reviewed journal. It has been "published" by the Limited company she runs! You cannot publish something you wrote on your own website and claim it is peer reviewed. I'd be happy to be directed to the peer review citation, i.e the one with the name of a journal title, volume/issue number and page number.

Citation for the analysis document:

Tess Lawrie: Ivermectin reduces the risk of death from COVID-19 – a rapid review and meta-analysis in support of the recommendation of the Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance. 3 January 2021. Evidence-based Medicine Consultancy Ltd. Bath"

Can you not read? I said 'accepted for publication'. That means it hasn't been published yet, but it's confirmed it's going to be.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple  over a year ago

North West


"

Tess Lawrie's meta-analysis that recommends it is rolled out worldwide has been peer reviewed and accepted for publication anyway, maybe that'll help your skepticism when it comes out. Bear in mind the vaccines could not have gotten emergency approval if there was an effective treatment approved, so cheap generics will always received massive opposition.

Tess Lawrie's meta-analysis has NOT been published in a peer reviewed journal. It has been "published" by the Limited company she runs! You cannot publish something you wrote on your own website and claim it is peer reviewed. I'd be happy to be directed to the peer review citation, i.e the one with the name of a journal title, volume/issue number and page number.

Citation for the analysis document:

Tess Lawrie: Ivermectin reduces the risk of death from COVID-19 – a rapid review and meta-analysis in support of the recommendation of the Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance. 3 January 2021. Evidence-based Medicine Consultancy Ltd. Bath

Can you not read? I said 'accepted for publication'. That means it hasn't been published yet, but it's confirmed it's going to be. "

Let's wait till it's actually published then, before we decide it's valid etc. Also let us remember Andrew Wakefield's paper on MMR was accepted and published, so things can be retracted if subsequently found by the wider scientific community to be garbage. We shall wait and see.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Yes, it's great. My brother in law recently had his second jab and shortly after he was rushed into hospital with kidney failure and put on a drip. I bet he is chuffed with that. We are donating our jabs to those who want them. We dont. Cant think why!

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By *eeleyWoman  over a year ago

Dudley


"Yes, it's great. My brother in law recently had his second jab and shortly after he was rushed into hospital with kidney failure and put on a drip. I bet he is chuffed with that. We are donating our jabs to those who want them. We dont. Cant think why! "

You can't donate your jabs.

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By *naswingdressWoman  over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"Yes, it's great. My brother in law recently had his second jab and shortly after he was rushed into hospital with kidney failure and put on a drip. I bet he is chuffed with that. We are donating our jabs to those who want them. We dont. Cant think why!

You can't donate your jabs. "

No, you can't. I'm donating the cost of mine to charity, but it's not taking away the fact that NHS has reserved jabs for me.

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By *risky_MareWoman  over a year ago

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"

Tess Lawrie's meta-analysis that recommends it is rolled out worldwide has been peer reviewed and accepted for publication anyway, maybe that'll help your skepticism when it comes out. Bear in mind the vaccines could not have gotten emergency approval if there was an effective treatment approved, so cheap generics will always received massive opposition.

Tess Lawrie's meta-analysis has NOT been published in a peer reviewed journal. It has been "published" by the Limited company she runs! You cannot publish something you wrote on your own website and claim it is peer reviewed. I'd be happy to be directed to the peer review citation, i.e the one with the name of a journal title, volume/issue number and page number.

Citation for the analysis document:

Tess Lawrie: Ivermectin reduces the risk of death from COVID-19 – a rapid review and meta-analysis in support of the recommendation of the Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance. 3 January 2021. Evidence-based Medicine Consultancy Ltd. Bath

Can you not read? I said 'accepted for publication'. That means it hasn't been published yet, but it's confirmed it's going to be.

Let's wait till it's actually published then, before we decide it's valid etc. Also let us remember Andrew Wakefield's paper on MMR was accepted and published, so things can be retracted if subsequently found by the wider scientific community to be garbage. We shall wait and see. "

For sure, you do as you like with the information. Vaccines like Pandemtrix got withdrawn after millions of inoculations too - shit happens sometimes.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Yes, it's great. My brother in law recently had his second jab and shortly after he was rushed into hospital with kidney failure and put on a drip. I bet he is chuffed with that. We are donating our jabs to those who want them. We dont. Cant think why! "

I won £30 on a scratch card the day after my first jab. Can't wait for my 2nd jab!!

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By *inky_couple2020Couple  over a year ago

North West


"

Tess Lawrie's meta-analysis that recommends it is rolled out worldwide has been peer reviewed and accepted for publication anyway, maybe that'll help your skepticism when it comes out. Bear in mind the vaccines could not have gotten emergency approval if there was an effective treatment approved, so cheap generics will always received massive opposition.

Tess Lawrie's meta-analysis has NOT been published in a peer reviewed journal. It has been "published" by the Limited company she runs! You cannot publish something you wrote on your own website and claim it is peer reviewed. I'd be happy to be directed to the peer review citation, i.e the one with the name of a journal title, volume/issue number and page number.

Citation for the analysis document:

Tess Lawrie: Ivermectin reduces the risk of death from COVID-19 – a rapid review and meta-analysis in support of the recommendation of the Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance. 3 January 2021. Evidence-based Medicine Consultancy Ltd. Bath

Can you not read? I said 'accepted for publication'. That means it hasn't been published yet, but it's confirmed it's going to be.

Let's wait till it's actually published then, before we decide it's valid etc. Also let us remember Andrew Wakefield's paper on MMR was accepted and published, so things can be retracted if subsequently found by the wider scientific community to be garbage. We shall wait and see.

For sure, you do as you like with the information. Vaccines like Pandemtrix got withdrawn after millions of inoculations too - shit happens sometimes."

Pandemrix was never withdrawn. The authorisation expired and GSK didn't renew it. But yes, things like that can and do happen.

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By *eeleyWoman  over a year ago

Dudley


"

Tess Lawrie's meta-analysis that recommends it is rolled out worldwide has been peer reviewed and accepted for publication anyway, maybe that'll help your skepticism when it comes out. Bear in mind the vaccines could not have gotten emergency approval if there was an effective treatment approved, so cheap generics will always received massive opposition.

Tess Lawrie's meta-analysis has NOT been published in a peer reviewed journal. It has been "published" by the Limited company she runs! You cannot publish something you wrote on your own website and claim it is peer reviewed. I'd be happy to be directed to the peer review citation, i.e the one with the name of a journal title, volume/issue number and page number.

Citation for the analysis document:

Tess Lawrie: Ivermectin reduces the risk of death from COVID-19 – a rapid review and meta-analysis in support of the recommendation of the Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance. 3 January 2021. Evidence-based Medicine Consultancy Ltd. Bath

Can you not read? I said 'accepted for publication'. That means it hasn't been published yet, but it's confirmed it's going to be.

Let's wait till it's actually published then, before we decide it's valid etc. Also let us remember Andrew Wakefield's paper on MMR was accepted and published, so things can be retracted if subsequently found by the wider scientific community to be garbage. We shall wait and see.

For sure, you do as you like with the information. Vaccines like Pandemtrix got withdrawn after millions of inoculations too - shit happens sometimes.

Pandemrix was never withdrawn. The authorisation expired and GSK didn't renew it. But yes, things like that can and do happen."

It's almost as if she reads one article and never bothers to check the validity of it, just spouts it as fact.

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By *risky_MareWoman  over a year ago

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"

Tess Lawrie's meta-analysis that recommends it is rolled out worldwide has been peer reviewed and accepted for publication anyway, maybe that'll help your skepticism when it comes out. Bear in mind the vaccines could not have gotten emergency approval if there was an effective treatment approved, so cheap generics will always received massive opposition.

Tess Lawrie's meta-analysis has NOT been published in a peer reviewed journal. It has been "published" by the Limited company she runs! You cannot publish something you wrote on your own website and claim it is peer reviewed. I'd be happy to be directed to the peer review citation, i.e the one with the name of a journal title, volume/issue number and page number.

Citation for the analysis document:

Tess Lawrie: Ivermectin reduces the risk of death from COVID-19 – a rapid review and meta-analysis in support of the recommendation of the Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance. 3 January 2021. Evidence-based Medicine Consultancy Ltd. Bath

Can you not read? I said 'accepted for publication'. That means it hasn't been published yet, but it's confirmed it's going to be.

Let's wait till it's actually published then, before we decide it's valid etc. Also let us remember Andrew Wakefield's paper on MMR was accepted and published, so things can be retracted if subsequently found by the wider scientific community to be garbage. We shall wait and see.

For sure, you do as you like with the information. Vaccines like Pandemtrix got withdrawn after millions of inoculations too - shit happens sometimes.

Pandemrix was never withdrawn. The authorisation expired and GSK didn't renew it. But yes, things like that can and do happen.

It's almost as if she reads one article and never bothers to check the validity of it, just spouts it as fact. "

Meow said the cat.

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By *risky_MareWoman  over a year ago

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Here's an interesting one, published in the Lancet recently.

COVID-19 vaccine efficacy and effectiveness—the elephant (not) in the room

Piero Olliaro

Els Torreele

Michel Vaillant Open AccessPublished:April 20, 2021DOI:https://doi.org/10.1016/S2666-5247(21)00069-0

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Approximately 96 COVID-19 vaccines are at various stages of clinical development.1 At present, we have the interim results of four studies published in scientific journals (on the Pfizer–BioNTech BNT162b2 mRNA vaccine,2 the Moderna–US National Institutes of Health [NIH] mRNA-1273 vaccine,3 the AstraZeneca–Oxford ChAdOx1 nCov-19 vaccine,4 and the Gamaleya GamCovidVac [Sputnik V] vaccine)5 and three studies through the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) briefing documents (on the Pfizer–BioNTech,6 Moderna–NIH,7 and Johnson & Johnson [J&J] Ad26.COV2.S vaccines).8 Furthermore, excerpts of these results have been widely communicated and debated through press releases and media, sometimes in misleading ways.9 Although attention has focused on vaccine efficacy and comparing the reduction of the number of symptomatic cases, fully understanding the efficacy and effectiveness of vaccines is less straightforward than it might seem. Depending on how the effect size is expressed, a quite different picture might emerge.

Vaccine efficacy is generally reported as a relative risk reduction (RRR). It uses the relative risk (RR)—ie, the ratio of attack rates with and without a vaccine—which is expressed as 1–RR................

However, RRR should be seen against the background risk of being infected and becoming ill with COVID-19, which varies between populations and over time. Although the RRR considers only participants who could benefit from the vaccine, the absolute risk reduction (ARR), which is the difference between attack rates with and without a vaccine, considers the whole population. ARRs tend to be ignored because they give a much less impressive effect size than RRRs: 1·3% for the AstraZeneca–Oxford, 1·2% for the Moderna–NIH, 1·2% for the J&J, 0·93% for the Gamaleya, and 0·84% for the Pfizer–BioNTech vaccines.

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