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I don't know how they can be disentangled.
Public health needs to be deployed via political means.
The results of political priorities become very obvious this way.
One way or another, the choices individuals make relate to their political and ideological convictions. |
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"I don't know how they can be disentangled.
Public health needs to be deployed via political means.
The results of political priorities become very obvious this way.
One way or another, the choices individuals make relate to their political and ideological convictions."
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"I don't know how they can be disentangled.
Public health needs to be deployed via political means.
The results of political priorities become very obvious this way.
One way or another, the choices individuals make relate to their political and ideological convictions."
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What Swing said ..
Would add when we currently have unelected Tory peers and friends of the Health Secretary in positions of responsibility in aspects of public health taking into account their ties to American health insurance then that should be held to greater scrutiny..
Such things potentially have implications for all of us.. |
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over a year ago
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"What Swing said ..
Would add when we currently have unelected Tory peers and friends of the Health Secretary in positions of responsibility in aspects of public health taking into account their ties to American health insurance then that should be held to greater scrutiny..
Such things potentially have implications for all of us.."
i dont usually get involved in the “party politics” jibes on here ... but i don’t see the need for the word Tory in your post ... unelected peers with conflicts of interest covers it ... i don’t think unelected labour peers are any more desirable tbh |
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"What Swing said ..
Would add when we currently have unelected Tory peers and friends of the Health Secretary in positions of responsibility in aspects of public health taking into account their ties to American health insurance then that should be held to greater scrutiny..
Such things potentially have implications for all of us..
i dont usually get involved in the “party politics” jibes on here ... but i don’t see the need for the word Tory in your post ... unelected peers with conflicts of interest covers it ... i don’t think unelected labour peers are any more desirable tbh"
I think given the links that are publicly available in relation to the connections of the individuals with the health insurance industry its entirely relevant that they have been appointed by the current Health Secretary, who is at present as we know a Tory..
My point was not about the appointment of unelected peers in general but yes it's right to say all parties do so and would agree with your last point too.. |
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If you have elected leaders who determine the levels of investments and policies of health care then you are starting from a political foundation. You can influence politically for such power to be removed from them but, until then, you get the health outcomes and implications for lives, based on political decisions and strategies. |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
bournemouth |
Maybe if we had a population that took better care of its self by drinking and smoking less, eating less junk food and got fitter the nhs would have to spend less on them and be able to do more for those hit by unavoidable illnesses, much simpler to blame the government of the day for not spending enough |
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All polatishons are profesional lying sods its part of the job that they have to be lying all the time.eg end of the world pics the never admit to it all ending until its too late to stop panic. So we put in charge profesional lying sods who keep us in the dark to run the country and health for us .the best way to get what we want as a nation is to demonstrate and make politishons afraid of the mass population been against them.eg 100 years ago women demonstrated for the right to vote and got it.if we want good public health we need to demonstrate untill those in power get the message to change. |
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It's funny...the care itself is not policitical. When did we see adverts for or party member in a hospital of GP surgery. Therefore the direct care received is just that care. The only time you see a polictian or anything political about health is in Parliament when they use it as a punch bag.
The whole set up is a mess. It's become clear to me that these two need separated. I don't trust the current govern (this one is the worst I have experienced and after research I'd say they will be deemed the worst ever) however I trust the health profession at GP and Dr level. |
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"It's funny...the care itself is not policitical. When did we see adverts for or party member in a hospital of GP surgery. Therefore the direct care received is just that care. The only time you see a polictian or anything political about health is in Parliament when they use it as a punch bag.
The whole set up is a mess. It's become clear to me that these two need separated. I don't trust the current govern (this one is the worst I have experienced and after research I'd say they will be deemed the worst ever) however I trust the health profession at GP and Dr level. "
No, but who decides how the funds are allocated to pay for that, passes laws to help or hinder it? |
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"It's funny...the care itself is not policitical. When did we see adverts for or party member in a hospital of GP surgery. Therefore the direct care received is just that care. The only time you see a polictian or anything political about health is in Parliament when they use it as a punch bag.
The whole set up is a mess. It's become clear to me that these two need separated. I don't trust the current govern (this one is the worst I have experienced and after research I'd say they will be deemed the worst ever) however I trust the health profession at GP and Dr level. "
There is too much money into for it not too be political. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
Our corrupt UK Govt have used Covid to enrich themselves and their friends & family. Good Law Project case right now (just one of many examples)...
£252 MILLION
To a small “family office”
Owned through a tax haven in Mauritius
For PPE that was 3x the market rate
That turned out to be faulty
…all because they were pally with Liz Truss
UTTER CRIME SCENE
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"Our corrupt UK Govt have used Covid to enrich themselves and their friends & family. Good Law Project case right now (just one of many examples)...
£252 MILLION
To a small “family office”
Owned through a tax haven in Mauritius
For PPE that was 3x the market rate
That turned out to be faulty
…all because they were pally with Liz Truss
UTTER CRIME SCENE
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When the only scrutiny for those in government looks to be via the courts we are in a dire situation, that it's 'ok' as it was a pandemic and or Corbyn wouldn't have been any better is a shameful dereliction of the public offices..
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"Our corrupt UK Govt have used Covid to enrich themselves and their friends & family. Good Law Project case right now (just one of many examples)...
£252 MILLION
To a small “family office”
Owned through a tax haven in Mauritius
For PPE that was 3x the market rate
That turned out to be faulty
…all because they were pally with Liz Truss
UTTER CRIME SCENE
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Yep but sky have told us that people dont care about such trivialarities. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"Our corrupt UK Govt have used Covid to enrich themselves and their friends & family. Good Law Project case right now (just one of many examples)...
£252 MILLION
To a small “family office”
Owned through a tax haven in Mauritius
For PPE that was 3x the market rate
That turned out to be faulty
…all because they were pally with Liz Truss
UTTER CRIME SCENE
Yep but sky have told us that people dont care about such trivialarities."
It beggars belief. All those costs to cover Covid will result in tax rises, probably for 2-3 generations. But a significant chunk has lined the pockets of ministers, family and friends.
Basically WE have given THEM our money! WE have helped make THEM rich(er) and people don’t seem to care?!?!?!
Anybody reading this - if you also don’t care could you please PM me with your bank account details as I would like to make a withdrawal to, you know, make myself richer!
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
There’s more (of course)...
The Govt’s “VIP fast track” was supposed to speed up getting PPE
Instead it BLOCKED it
How?
Because VIP bids were a “distraction from substantive priorities”
Meaning civil servants were made to prioritise dodgy crony bids over reputable suppliers!!!! |
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"Our corrupt UK Govt have used Covid to enrich themselves and their friends & family. Good Law Project case right now (just one of many examples)...
£252 MILLION
To a small “family office”
Owned through a tax haven in Mauritius
For PPE that was 3x the market rate
That turned out to be faulty
…all because they were pally with Liz Truss
UTTER CRIME SCENE
Yep but sky have told us that people dont care about such trivialarities.
It beggars belief. All those costs to cover Covid will result in tax rises, probably for 2-3 generations. But a significant chunk has lined the pockets of ministers, family and friends.
Basically WE have given THEM our money! WE have helped make THEM rich(er) and people don’t seem to care?!?!?!
Anybody reading this - if you also don’t care could you please PM me with your bank account details as I would like to make a withdrawal to, you know, make myself richer!
Thanks "
We are constantly told by the likes of sky that people are not concerned about such issues.
Why you wouldnt be concerned about the gmnt literally stealing money out of your pocket is anyones guess. |
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"There’s more (of course)...
The Govt’s “VIP fast track” was supposed to speed up getting PPE
Instead it BLOCKED it
How?
Because VIP bids were a “distraction from substantive priorities”
Meaning civil servants were made to prioritise dodgy crony bids over reputable suppliers!!!!"
You can be sure that certain people have done very well out of this pandemic. |
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I believe that the vast majority of Tory supporters would like others
I believe do the decent thing if there elderly neighbour perhaps was about to be fleeced by a rogue charging them thousands to carry out inappropriate work, tarmac a drive or trim some trees etc..
But why is it when such as we have seen and more to come is there such silence or the old excuses are trotted out?
It affects us all and sure as the sun rises in the morning if one party sees such blasé indifference by the public to such things then that just tells them in if they are so minded they can also get away with it.. |
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"There’s more (of course)...
The Govt’s “VIP fast track” was supposed to speed up getting PPE
Instead it BLOCKED it
How?
Because VIP bids were a “distraction from substantive priorities”
Meaning civil servants were made to prioritise dodgy crony bids over reputable suppliers!!!!
You can be sure that certain people have done very well out of this pandemic."
Yup |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"There's a reason Emergency plumbers are more expensive than the everyday fit you in when we can variety...
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True but in this case the analogy doesn’t work because:
1. These contracts were being awarded to “companies” with no experience or specialist knowledge.
2. In some cases these weren’t even real trading companies.
3. They actually provides sub par product.
4. They were massively prioritised by companies that were specialists with full trading history.
Still next time you need an emergency plumber I have a mate called Dave who once watched someone solder a pipe. He charges at least three times as much and doesn’t provide a guarantee but sure you won’t mind! |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"There's a reason Emergency plumbers are more expensive than the everyday fit you in when we can variety...
True but in this case the analogy doesn’t work because:
1. These contracts were being awarded to “companies” with no experience or specialist knowledge.
2. In some cases these weren’t even real trading companies.
3. They actually provides sub par product.
4. They were massively prioritised by companies that were specialists with full trading history.
Still next time you need an emergency plumber I have a mate called Dave who once watched someone solder a pipe. He charges at least three times as much and doesn’t provide a guarantee but sure you won’t mind!"
Grrr typos - prioritised over companies with experience |
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"There's a reason Emergency plumbers are more expensive than the everyday fit you in when we can variety...
True but in this case the analogy doesn’t work because:
1. These contracts were being awarded to “companies” with no experience or specialist knowledge.
2. In some cases these weren’t even real trading companies.
3. They actually provides sub par product.
4. They were massively prioritised by companies that were specialists with full trading history.
Still next time you need an emergency plumber I have a mate called Dave who once watched someone solder a pipe. He charges at least three times as much and doesn’t provide a guarantee but sure you won’t mind!"
The analogy does work if you understand why an emergency plumber was needed and not just a normal everyday fit you in when we can plumber. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"There's a reason Emergency plumbers are more expensive than the everyday fit you in when we can variety...
True but in this case the analogy doesn’t work because:
1. These contracts were being awarded to “companies” with no experience or specialist knowledge.
2. In some cases these weren’t even real trading companies.
3. They actually provides sub par product.
4. They were massively prioritised by companies that were specialists with full trading history.
Still next time you need an emergency plumber I have a mate called Dave who once watched someone solder a pipe. He charges at least three times as much and doesn’t provide a guarantee but sure you won’t mind!
The analogy does work if you understand why an emergency plumber was needed and not just a normal everyday fit you in when we can plumber."
Please explain? |
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"There's a reason Emergency plumbers are more expensive than the everyday fit you in when we can variety...
True but in this case the analogy doesn’t work because:
1. These contracts were being awarded to “companies” with no experience or specialist knowledge.
2. In some cases these weren’t even real trading companies.
3. They actually provides sub par product.
4. They were massively prioritised by companies that were specialists with full trading history.
Still next time you need an emergency plumber I have a mate called Dave who once watched someone solder a pipe. He charges at least three times as much and doesn’t provide a guarantee but sure you won’t mind!
The analogy does work if you understand why an emergency plumber was needed and not just a normal everyday fit you in when we can plumber.
Please explain?"
Have you ever called an emergency plumber, or waited for a regular one to fix your plumbing ? |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"There's a reason Emergency plumbers are more expensive than the everyday fit you in when we can variety...
True but in this case the analogy doesn’t work because:
1. These contracts were being awarded to “companies” with no experience or specialist knowledge.
2. In some cases these weren’t even real trading companies.
3. They actually provides sub par product.
4. They were massively prioritised by companies that were specialists with full trading history.
Still next time you need an emergency plumber I have a mate called Dave who once watched someone solder a pipe. He charges at least three times as much and doesn’t provide a guarantee but sure you won’t mind!
The analogy does work if you understand why an emergency plumber was needed and not just a normal everyday fit you in when we can plumber.
Please explain?
Have you ever called an emergency plumber, or waited for a regular one to fix your plumbing ?"
Yep still not getting your point or how this is analogous to corrupt govt procurement from companies who are not specialists. No point being fast if the product is unsuitable - especially when other more experienced and qualified companies were left out of the procurement!
Your emergency plumber should be A) fast and B) experienced/qualified. |
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"There's a reason Emergency plumbers are more expensive than the everyday fit you in when we can variety...
True but in this case the analogy doesn’t work because:
1. These contracts were being awarded to “companies” with no experience or specialist knowledge.
2. In some cases these weren’t even real trading companies.
3. They actually provides sub par product.
4. They were massively prioritised by companies that were specialists with full trading history.
Still next time you need an emergency plumber I have a mate called Dave who once watched someone solder a pipe. He charges at least three times as much and doesn’t provide a guarantee but sure you won’t mind!
The analogy does work if you understand why an emergency plumber was needed and not just a normal everyday fit you in when we can plumber.
Please explain?
Have you ever called an emergency plumber, or waited for a regular one to fix your plumbing ?
Yep still not getting your point or how this is analogous to corrupt govt procurement from companies who are not specialists. No point being fast if the product is unsuitable - especially when other more experienced and qualified companies were left out of the procurement!
Your emergency plumber should be A) fast and B) experienced/qualified. "
.... there wasn’t an abundance of regular plumbers ... only emergency plumbers were available and even then, they were very thin on the ground as everyone was trying to fix their plumbing ....
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"There's a reason Emergency plumbers are more expensive than the everyday fit you in when we can variety...
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** Yes.
Unfortunately actually being a plumber wasn't a requirement.
They gave thousands to a 'handy man' that could have a look at the leak, maybe, and speculate how it should be fixed 
If they had used actual plumbers, even at an inflated rate, I don't think people would be as upset. |
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"There's a reason Emergency plumbers are more expensive than the everyday fit you in when we can variety...
True but in this case the analogy doesn’t work because:
1. These contracts were being awarded to “companies” with no experience or specialist knowledge.
2. In some cases these weren’t even real trading companies.
3. They actually provides sub par product.
4. They were massively prioritised by companies that were specialists with full trading history.
Still next time you need an emergency plumber I have a mate called Dave who once watched someone solder a pipe. He charges at least three times as much and doesn’t provide a guarantee but sure you won’t mind!
The analogy does work if you understand why an emergency plumber was needed and not just a normal everyday fit you in when we can plumber.
Please explain?
Have you ever called an emergency plumber, or waited for a regular one to fix your plumbing ?
Yep still not getting your point or how this is analogous to corrupt govt procurement from companies who are not specialists. No point being fast if the product is unsuitable - especially when other more experienced and qualified companies were left out of the procurement!
Your emergency plumber should be A) fast and B) experienced/qualified.
.... there wasn’t an abundance of regular plumbers ... only emergency plumbers were available and even then, they were very thin on the ground as everyone was trying to fix their plumbing ....
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And completely coincidentally all of these emergency plumbers were friends of the tory party. |
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"There's a reason Emergency plumbers are more expensive than the everyday fit you in when we can variety...
** Yes.
Unfortunately actually being a plumber wasn't a requirement.
They gave thousands to a 'handy man' that could have a look at the leak, maybe, and speculate how it should be fixed
If they had used actual plumbers, even at an inflated rate, I don't think people would be as upset."
In this analogy the “plumber “ is in fact the commodity not the provider of the commodity
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"There's a reason Emergency plumbers are more expensive than the everyday fit you in when we can variety...
** Yes.
Unfortunately actually being a plumber wasn't a requirement.
They gave thousands to a 'handy man' that could have a look at the leak, maybe, and speculate how it should be fixed
If they had used actual plumbers, even at an inflated rate, I don't think people would be as upset.
In this analogy the “plumber “ is in fact the commodity not the provider of the commodity
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Ok sorry but your analogy really isn’t working 
Either way are you defending the govt approach to their procurement of PPE? |
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"There's a reason Emergency plumbers are more expensive than the everyday fit you in when we can variety...
** Yes.
Unfortunately actually being a plumber wasn't a requirement.
They gave thousands to a 'handy man' that could have a look at the leak, maybe, and speculate how it should be fixed
If they had used actual plumbers, even at an inflated rate, I don't think people would be as upset.
In this analogy the “plumber “ is in fact the commodity not the provider of the commodity
Ok sorry but your analogy really isn’t working
Either way are you defending the govt approach to their procurement of PPE?"
Everyone in the world wanted PPE....
There wasn’t any PPE....
We got PPE.... |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"There's a reason Emergency plumbers are more expensive than the everyday fit you in when we can variety...
** Yes.
Unfortunately actually being a plumber wasn't a requirement.
They gave thousands to a 'handy man' that could have a look at the leak, maybe, and speculate how it should be fixed
If they had used actual plumbers, even at an inflated rate, I don't think people would be as upset.
In this analogy the “plumber “ is in fact the commodity not the provider of the commodity
Ok sorry but your analogy really isn’t working
Either way are you defending the govt approach to their procurement of PPE?
Everyone in the world wanted PPE....
There wasn’t any PPE....
We got PPE...."
Except that isn’t quite right is it...
A large proportion of those contracts awarded to dodgy middle men turned out to be sub standard and not usable.
British companies able to either manufacture or procure the right standard of PPE were ignored in favour of the “VIP fast track” resulting in not only paying way over the odds but also receiving faulty goods.
You may want to do a bit of research on that! |
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"There's a reason Emergency plumbers are more expensive than the everyday fit you in when we can variety...
** Yes.
Unfortunately actually being a plumber wasn't a requirement.
They gave thousands to a 'handy man' that could have a look at the leak, maybe, and speculate how it should be fixed
If they had used actual plumbers, even at an inflated rate, I don't think people would be as upset.
In this analogy the “plumber “ is in fact the commodity not the provider of the commodity
Ok sorry but your analogy really isn’t working
Either way are you defending the govt approach to their procurement of PPE?
Everyone in the world wanted PPE....
There wasn’t any PPE....
We got PPE....
Except that isn’t quite right is it...
A large proportion of those contracts awarded to dodgy middle men turned out to be sub standard and not usable.
British companies able to either manufacture or procure the right standard of PPE were ignored in favour of the “VIP fast track” resulting in not only paying way over the odds but also receiving faulty goods.
You may want to do a bit of research on that! "
Good Law Project |
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
Dubai & Nottingham |
Ideology more than politics. Look at the statement you should not travel to amber countries for leisure purpose. Ingenious, I don’t believe for one moment this was Boris’s idea, it came from Cummings, he’s gone but they did similar things earlier , Boris just made the wording even stronger this time. It’s not about left/right , it’s statist vs libertarian, they are privatising the response to covid and you get to choose, the health experts are there to add a bit a credibility and make the fool look clever . The Tories know where there money comes from and who their friends are |
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"There's a reason Emergency plumbers are more expensive than the everyday fit you in when we can variety...
** Yes.
Unfortunately actually being a plumber wasn't a requirement.
They gave thousands to a 'handy man' that could have a look at the leak, maybe, and speculate how it should be fixed
If they had used actual plumbers, even at an inflated rate, I don't think people would be as upset.
In this analogy the “plumber “ is in fact the commodity not the provider of the commodity
Ok sorry but your analogy really isn’t working
Either way are you defending the govt approach to their procurement of PPE?"
You should try the politics forum
It will blow your mind |
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"There's a reason Emergency plumbers are more expensive than the everyday fit you in when we can variety...
** Yes.
Unfortunately actually being a plumber wasn't a requirement.
They gave thousands to a 'handy man' that could have a look at the leak, maybe, and speculate how it should be fixed
If they had used actual plumbers, even at an inflated rate, I don't think people would be as upset.
In this analogy the “plumber “ is in fact the commodity not the provider of the commodity
Ok sorry but your analogy really isn’t working
Either way are you defending the govt approach to their procurement of PPE?
Everyone in the world wanted PPE....
There wasn’t any PPE....
We got PPE....
Except that isn’t quite right is it...
A large proportion of those contracts awarded to dodgy middle men turned out to be sub standard and not usable.
British companies able to either manufacture or procure the right standard of PPE were ignored in favour of the “VIP fast track” resulting in not only paying way over the odds but also receiving faulty goods.
You may want to do a bit of research on that! "
Have you cross checked the tender details with the product supplied ?
How much PPE did the uk procure in total ? |
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"There's a reason Emergency plumbers are more expensive than the everyday fit you in when we can variety...
** Yes.
Unfortunately actually being a plumber wasn't a requirement.
They gave thousands to a 'handy man' that could have a look at the leak, maybe, and speculate how it should be fixed
If they had used actual plumbers, even at an inflated rate, I don't think people would be as upset.
In this analogy the “plumber “ is in fact the commodity not the provider of the commodity
Ok sorry but your analogy really isn’t working
Either way are you defending the govt approach to their procurement of PPE?
You should try the politics forum
It will blow your mind "
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People can muddy the waters all they like.
The bottom line is that people very close to the gmnt,got very rich of a pandemic which has claimed over 120,000 lives.
You either think that's fine or you domt.
Simple. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"There's a reason Emergency plumbers are more expensive than the everyday fit you in when we can variety...
** Yes.
Unfortunately actually being a plumber wasn't a requirement.
They gave thousands to a 'handy man' that could have a look at the leak, maybe, and speculate how it should be fixed
If they had used actual plumbers, even at an inflated rate, I don't think people would be as upset.
In this analogy the “plumber “ is in fact the commodity not the provider of the commodity
Ok sorry but your analogy really isn’t working
Either way are you defending the govt approach to their procurement of PPE?
Everyone in the world wanted PPE....
There wasn’t any PPE....
We got PPE....
Except that isn’t quite right is it...
A large proportion of those contracts awarded to dodgy middle men turned out to be sub standard and not usable.
British companies able to either manufacture or procure the right standard of PPE were ignored in favour of the “VIP fast track” resulting in not only paying way over the odds but also receiving faulty goods.
You may want to do a bit of research on that!
Have you cross checked the tender details with the product supplied ?
How much PPE did the uk procure in total ?"
Yep. And your point?
So you are saying that cos UK procured a LOT that it doesn’t matter how or who, that due diligence wasn’t necessary?
Please PM me your bank details. It’s ok you can trust me. Whatever goods or services you need I know a man who can provide it. Some might be a tad expensive and not actually usable, but you clearly don’t mind that!
I’ll await your details. Thanks |
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"There's a reason Emergency plumbers are more expensive than the everyday fit you in when we can variety...
** Yes.
Unfortunately actually being a plumber wasn't a requirement.
They gave thousands to a 'handy man' that could have a look at the leak, maybe, and speculate how it should be fixed
If they had used actual plumbers, even at an inflated rate, I don't think people would be as upset.
In this analogy the “plumber “ is in fact the commodity not the provider of the commodity
Ok sorry but your analogy really isn’t working
Either way are you defending the govt approach to their procurement of PPE?
Everyone in the world wanted PPE....
There wasn’t any PPE....
We got PPE....
Except that isn’t quite right is it...
A large proportion of those contracts awarded to dodgy middle men turned out to be sub standard and not usable.
British companies able to either manufacture or procure the right standard of PPE were ignored in favour of the “VIP fast track” resulting in not only paying way over the odds but also receiving faulty goods.
You may want to do a bit of research on that!
Have you cross checked the tender details with the product supplied ?
How much PPE did the uk procure in total ?
Yep. And your point?
So you are saying that cos UK procured a LOT that it doesn’t matter how or who, that due diligence wasn’t necessary?
Please PM me your bank details. It’s ok you can trust me. Whatever goods or services you need I know a man who can provide it. Some might be a tad expensive and not actually usable, but you clearly don’t mind that!
I’ll await your details. Thanks"
If you ask for red apples you get red apples. That’s how procurement works.
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"There's a reason Emergency plumbers are more expensive than the everyday fit you in when we can variety...
** Yes.
Unfortunately actually being a plumber wasn't a requirement.
They gave thousands to a 'handy man' that could have a look at the leak, maybe, and speculate how it should be fixed
If they had used actual plumbers, even at an inflated rate, I don't think people would be as upset.
In this analogy the “plumber “ is in fact the commodity not the provider of the commodity
Ok sorry but your analogy really isn’t working
Either way are you defending the govt approach to their procurement of PPE?
Everyone in the world wanted PPE....
There wasn’t any PPE....
We got PPE....
Except that isn’t quite right is it...
A large proportion of those contracts awarded to dodgy middle men turned out to be sub standard and not usable.
British companies able to either manufacture or procure the right standard of PPE were ignored in favour of the “VIP fast track” resulting in not only paying way over the odds but also receiving faulty goods.
You may want to do a bit of research on that!
Have you cross checked the tender details with the product supplied ?
How much PPE did the uk procure in total ?
Yep. And your point?
So you are saying that cos UK procured a LOT that it doesn’t matter how or who, that due diligence wasn’t necessary?
Please PM me your bank details. It’s ok you can trust me. Whatever goods or services you need I know a man who can provide it. Some might be a tad expensive and not actually usable, but you clearly don’t mind that!
I’ll await your details. Thanks
If you ask for red apples you get red apples. That’s how procurement works.
Don’t be pissed off if you get red apples and then realise you should have asked for green apples."
So people asked for PPE and it was necessary to ask for PPE that was useable? Therefore the government didn't fuck up?
Maybe they should have ignored the VIP queue, because I'm pretty sure most people would take it as read that equipment needs to be fit for purpose. |
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"There's a reason Emergency plumbers are more expensive than the everyday fit you in when we can variety...
** Yes.
Unfortunately actually being a plumber wasn't a requirement.
They gave thousands to a 'handy man' that could have a look at the leak, maybe, and speculate how it should be fixed
If they had used actual plumbers, even at an inflated rate, I don't think people would be as upset.
In this analogy the “plumber “ is in fact the commodity not the provider of the commodity
Ok sorry but your analogy really isn’t working
Either way are you defending the govt approach to their procurement of PPE?
Everyone in the world wanted PPE....
There wasn’t any PPE....
We got PPE....
Except that isn’t quite right is it...
A large proportion of those contracts awarded to dodgy middle men turned out to be sub standard and not usable.
British companies able to either manufacture or procure the right standard of PPE were ignored in favour of the “VIP fast track” resulting in not only paying way over the odds but also receiving faulty goods.
You may want to do a bit of research on that!
Have you cross checked the tender details with the product supplied ?
How much PPE did the uk procure in total ?
Yep. And your point?
So you are saying that cos UK procured a LOT that it doesn’t matter how or who, that due diligence wasn’t necessary?
Please PM me your bank details. It’s ok you can trust me. Whatever goods or services you need I know a man who can provide it. Some might be a tad expensive and not actually usable, but you clearly don’t mind that!
I’ll await your details. Thanks
If you ask for red apples you get red apples. That’s how procurement works.
Don’t be pissed off if you get red apples and then realise you should have asked for green apples."
Spin it how you might you know what happened was wrong, it's not something you would have accepted in a personal capacity and nor should you or I..
Defending the indefensible isn't a good luck.. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"There's a reason Emergency plumbers are more expensive than the everyday fit you in when we can variety...
** Yes.
Unfortunately actually being a plumber wasn't a requirement.
They gave thousands to a 'handy man' that could have a look at the leak, maybe, and speculate how it should be fixed
If they had used actual plumbers, even at an inflated rate, I don't think people would be as upset.
In this analogy the “plumber “ is in fact the commodity not the provider of the commodity
Ok sorry but your analogy really isn’t working
Either way are you defending the govt approach to their procurement of PPE?
Everyone in the world wanted PPE....
There wasn’t any PPE....
We got PPE....
Except that isn’t quite right is it...
A large proportion of those contracts awarded to dodgy middle men turned out to be sub standard and not usable.
British companies able to either manufacture or procure the right standard of PPE were ignored in favour of the “VIP fast track” resulting in not only paying way over the odds but also receiving faulty goods.
You may want to do a bit of research on that!
Have you cross checked the tender details with the product supplied ?
How much PPE did the uk procure in total ?
Yep. And your point?
So you are saying that cos UK procured a LOT that it doesn’t matter how or who, that due diligence wasn’t necessary?
Please PM me your bank details. It’s ok you can trust me. Whatever goods or services you need I know a man who can provide it. Some might be a tad expensive and not actually usable, but you clearly don’t mind that!
I’ll await your details. Thanks
If you ask for red apples you get red apples. That’s how procurement works.
Don’t be pissed off if you get red apples and then realise you should have asked for green apples."
I think you are trolling. The procurement exercise was against defined specifications. Many of these companies provided PPE that did not meet the specification.
The specification was for green apples because that was what was needed. These companies delivered red apples. Not what was procured. |
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"There's a reason Emergency plumbers are more expensive than the everyday fit you in when we can variety...
** Yes.
Unfortunately actually being a plumber wasn't a requirement.
They gave thousands to a 'handy man' that could have a look at the leak, maybe, and speculate how it should be fixed
If they had used actual plumbers, even at an inflated rate, I don't think people would be as upset.
In this analogy the “plumber “ is in fact the commodity not the provider of the commodity
Ok sorry but your analogy really isn’t working
Either way are you defending the govt approach to their procurement of PPE?
Everyone in the world wanted PPE....
There wasn’t any PPE....
We got PPE....
Except that isn’t quite right is it...
A large proportion of those contracts awarded to dodgy middle men turned out to be sub standard and not usable.
British companies able to either manufacture or procure the right standard of PPE were ignored in favour of the “VIP fast track” resulting in not only paying way over the odds but also receiving faulty goods.
You may want to do a bit of research on that!
Have you cross checked the tender details with the product supplied ?
How much PPE did the uk procure in total ?
Yep. And your point?
So you are saying that cos UK procured a LOT that it doesn’t matter how or who, that due diligence wasn’t necessary?
Please PM me your bank details. It’s ok you can trust me. Whatever goods or services you need I know a man who can provide it. Some might be a tad expensive and not actually usable, but you clearly don’t mind that!
I’ll await your details. Thanks
If you ask for red apples you get red apples. That’s how procurement works.
Don’t be pissed off if you get red apples and then realise you should have asked for green apples.
Spin it how you might you know what happened was wrong, it's not something you would have accepted in a personal capacity and nor should you or I..
Defending the indefensible isn't a good luck.."
You are right ... I do know what happened. There are many lessons to be learned, most of which are not the lessons everyone thinks are the reasons for the procurement chaos from last year.
One of the biggest lessons has already been addressed and will provide the country with much better secure continuous supply.
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"There's a reason Emergency plumbers are more expensive than the everyday fit you in when we can variety...
** Yes.
Unfortunately actually being a plumber wasn't a requirement.
They gave thousands to a 'handy man' that could have a look at the leak, maybe, and speculate how it should be fixed
If they had used actual plumbers, even at an inflated rate, I don't think people would be as upset.
In this analogy the “plumber “ is in fact the commodity not the provider of the commodity
Ok sorry but your analogy really isn’t working
Either way are you defending the govt approach to their procurement of PPE?
Everyone in the world wanted PPE....
There wasn’t any PPE....
We got PPE....
Except that isn’t quite right is it...
A large proportion of those contracts awarded to dodgy middle men turned out to be sub standard and not usable.
British companies able to either manufacture or procure the right standard of PPE were ignored in favour of the “VIP fast track” resulting in not only paying way over the odds but also receiving faulty goods.
You may want to do a bit of research on that!
Have you cross checked the tender details with the product supplied ?
How much PPE did the uk procure in total ?
Yep. And your point?
So you are saying that cos UK procured a LOT that it doesn’t matter how or who, that due diligence wasn’t necessary?
Please PM me your bank details. It’s ok you can trust me. Whatever goods or services you need I know a man who can provide it. Some might be a tad expensive and not actually usable, but you clearly don’t mind that!
I’ll await your details. Thanks
If you ask for red apples you get red apples. That’s how procurement works.
Don’t be pissed off if you get red apples and then realise you should have asked for green apples.
I think you are trolling. The procurement exercise was against defined specifications. Many of these companies provided PPE that did not meet the specification.
The specification was for green apples because that was what was needed. These companies delivered red apples. Not what was procured."
That statement is incorrect. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"There's a reason Emergency plumbers are more expensive than the everyday fit you in when we can variety...
** Yes.
Unfortunately actually being a plumber wasn't a requirement.
They gave thousands to a 'handy man' that could have a look at the leak, maybe, and speculate how it should be fixed
If they had used actual plumbers, even at an inflated rate, I don't think people would be as upset.
In this analogy the “plumber “ is in fact the commodity not the provider of the commodity
Ok sorry but your analogy really isn’t working
Either way are you defending the govt approach to their procurement of PPE?
Everyone in the world wanted PPE....
There wasn’t any PPE....
We got PPE....
Except that isn’t quite right is it...
A large proportion of those contracts awarded to dodgy middle men turned out to be sub standard and not usable.
British companies able to either manufacture or procure the right standard of PPE were ignored in favour of the “VIP fast track” resulting in not only paying way over the odds but also receiving faulty goods.
You may want to do a bit of research on that!
Have you cross checked the tender details with the product supplied ?
How much PPE did the uk procure in total ?
Yep. And your point?
So you are saying that cos UK procured a LOT that it doesn’t matter how or who, that due diligence wasn’t necessary?
Please PM me your bank details. It’s ok you can trust me. Whatever goods or services you need I know a man who can provide it. Some might be a tad expensive and not actually usable, but you clearly don’t mind that!
I’ll await your details. Thanks
If you ask for red apples you get red apples. That’s how procurement works.
Don’t be pissed off if you get red apples and then realise you should have asked for green apples.
I think you are trolling. The procurement exercise was against defined specifications. Many of these companies provided PPE that did not meet the specification.
The specification was for green apples because that was what was needed. These companies delivered red apples. Not what was procured.
That statement is incorrect."
So you either work for Crown Commercial Service or NHS Procurement? |
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