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"A not-so-hypothetical: You are offered a choice, you can take the vaccine or get the virus, which do you do? The virus has been honed by evolution to be moderately effective at taking over as many cells in your body as possible, converting them into factories to make more virus, and then exploding them when done. Given a free run, the virus would convert your entire body mass into grey goo within a few weeks. The virus has run into some level of resistance from the pesky human immune system, but generally virus trials are going well with about 4 million humans killed over a 16 month period. A small number of humans have managed to die in vehicle accidents some time after being infected by the virus, but the virus does not take any credit for these deaths. The vaccine has been designed by very clever humans to be moderately effective at protecting against the virus. It has a strictly limited operation, a fixed amount is injected and it does not self replicate. The vaccine does the equivalent of going around cells handing out an information leaflet with a photo of the virus to the security guard on each cell door, warning that this is a nasty one that should not be allowed in. The vaccine has run into some level of resistance from people with irrational fears, but generally vaccine trials are going well with many reports of a sore arm for a couple of days, a smaller number of more serious symptoms that have taken a week or two to recover from, and a tiny number of deaths that might be attributable to vaccine but are more likely to be caused by virus that has sneaked past the cell guards before they have been fully briefed. A small number of humans have managed to die in vehicle accidents some time after being treated with the vaccine, but the vaccine is probably not related to these deaths. Your options are to either (a) take the vaccine, (b) get the virus, or (c) wear a mask and stay away from other people for the rest of your life. Please reply a, b, or c. For bonus points, you may provide a short rationale fro your decision." Option A. All day long.. If you don't risk you don't reap rewards.. If you are unlucky and have a reaction or problem? Then.. At least you tried to do your bit to keep everyone safe.  | |||
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"Get the virus "isn't this bit selfish? | |||
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"Get the virus
isn't this bit selfish? "Why is it selfish? If someone gets it and isolates as they are supposed to then no harm to anyone else. | |||
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"I am going for a 3rd option, non of them "Damn. I wish I picked that option | |||
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"I am going for a 3rd option, non of them
Damn. I wish I picked that option "Yes, it is a good option too | |||
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"Get the virus isn't this bit selfish? "Why is it selfish? I'm happy to share the virus with you, I'm not trying to take all the virus just for myself, I would never be that selfish. | |||
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"So people who don't want the vaccine have chosen so purely because of an irrational fear of it?" If they have "chosen" not to have it...then yes, basically. | |||
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"For those who chose virus, your viral sample is now winging its way towards you from India. The April deliveries were primarily satisfied by our Brazilian subsidiary, but for May we have a new improved version specially cultivated in our Mumbai melting pot. Please take good care of your virus sample and follow the enclosed instruction leaflet for maximum benefit. " You're forgetting that we don't live in slums, are more than capable to isolate if needs be and have very strong immune systems from working on a front line for a full year instead of hiding away, predicting doomsday scenarios. | |||
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"Get the virus
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Why is it selfish? If someone gets it and isolates as they are supposed to then no harm to anyone else. "IF... What IF they get the virus and are asymptomatic...Passing it on to a a few people? You do realise that if you pass it on to a handful of people they will in turn pass it on to a handful? Within a matter of weeks you have indirectly infected hundreds of people resulting in deaths... Selfish? Yes. | |||
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"What makes me laugh is people refuse to have the vaccine and yet put all sorts of chemicals inside their bodies anyway. And anyway for people who refuse the vaccine unless for a valid reason i.e medical then if they get covid I dont think they deserve to get treated." See this sort of thing said a lot. While I get the sentiment I cannot agree less! Yes you start with Covid vaccine refusal but what next? Smokers - fuck you. Drinkers - fuck you. Obese - fuck you. And before anyone shouts “those people are only a danger to themselves” the point is those three categories drain huge resources from our healthcare system that endanger the lives of others who desperately need treatment. It may not be as obviously immediate but the knock on effect is huge! | |||
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"For all of you choosing to have the virus. What if the question was regarding the flu. Would you choose to have the flu or have the flu vaccine ?" I am fortunate to have a very strong immune system and have never had the flu jab, I rarely suffer even a normal cold. However, I have had both anti COVID jabs. Why? Because a very good friend of mine had an immune system like mine - strong and hardly ever ailed anything. She caught COVID and almost died. She now has long term covid. She caught COVID just a week before her first jab. I didn't want to be in that situation so when I got the text offering me the jab I had no hesitation and took it. I just hope now that the Indian strain of the virus is gaining a small foothold up and down the country, that the refusers reconsider their stance and take the vaccine. If they don't, then that's their absolute right but if the choice boils down to living or dying then I'm sure people would prefer to live. | |||
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"What makes me laugh is people refuse to have the vaccine and yet put all sorts of chemicals inside their bodies anyway. And anyway for people who refuse the vaccine unless for a valid reason i.e medical then if they get covid I dont think they deserve to get treated." Careful what you ask for, when any political party sees an opportunity to save money by exploiting division they might take it.. Or present a case based on such that we all have to have private medical insurance before were looked at.. | |||
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"What makes me laugh is people refuse to have the vaccine and yet put all sorts of chemicals inside their bodies anyway. And anyway for people who refuse the vaccine unless for a valid reason i.e medical then if they get covid I dont think they deserve to get treated. See this sort of thing said a lot. While I get the sentiment I cannot agree less! Yes you start with Covid vaccine refusal but what next? Smokers - fuck you. Drinkers - fuck you. Obese - fuck you. And before anyone shouts “those people are only a danger to themselves” the point is those three categories drain huge resources from our healthcare system that endanger the lives of others who desperately need treatment. It may not be as obviously immediate but the knock on effect is huge! " Well I knew this would come up about the smokers, alcoholics and obese people. Don't forget the drug addicts. Although I'm obese myself it's not straight forward of "oooh I'll think I'll eat myself to death" it's psychological, well my personal experience is. I cannot comment on smokers or alcoholics. Maybe what I said was a tad harsh about people not getting treated for covid if they refuse the jab. But I don't understand people who do refuse it. I just have a very dislike to people who are antivax | |||
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"What makes me laugh is people refuse to have the vaccine and yet put all sorts of chemicals inside their bodies anyway. And anyway for people who refuse the vaccine unless for a valid reason i.e medical then if they get covid I dont think they deserve to get treated. See this sort of thing said a lot. While I get the sentiment I cannot agree less! Yes you start with Covid vaccine refusal but what next? Smokers - fuck you. Drinkers - fuck you. Obese - fuck you. And before anyone shouts “those people are only a danger to themselves” the point is those three categories drain huge resources from our healthcare system that endanger the lives of others who desperately need treatment. It may not be as obviously immediate but the knock on effect is huge! Well I knew this would come up about the smokers, alcoholics and obese people. Don't forget the drug addicts. Although I'm obese myself it's not straight forward of "oooh I'll think I'll eat myself to death" it's psychological, well my personal experience is. I cannot comment on smokers or alcoholics. Maybe what I said was a tad harsh about people not getting treated for covid if they refuse the jab. But I don't understand people who do refuse it. I just have a very dislike to people who are antivax" I'm hoping the lack of vaccine limits their lives in some way, this should be a nationwide effort to contribute to herd immunity, not people deciding they know more than experts who have been in their professions for decades. | |||
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"For all of you choosing to have the virus. What if the question was regarding the flu. Would you choose to have the flu or have the flu vaccine ?" Flu. I’m entitled to have the flu vaccine every year and get called up for it. Iv never had it & Iv never had the Flu either. My kids don’t get the nasal flu vaccine either. | |||
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"What makes me laugh is people refuse to have the vaccine and yet put all sorts of chemicals inside their bodies anyway. And anyway for people who refuse the vaccine unless for a valid reason i.e medical then if they get covid I dont think they deserve to get treated. See this sort of thing said a lot. While I get the sentiment I cannot agree less! Yes you start with Covid vaccine refusal but what next? Smokers - fuck you. Drinkers - fuck you. Obese - fuck you. And before anyone shouts “those people are only a danger to themselves” the point is those three categories drain huge resources from our healthcare system that endanger the lives of others who desperately need treatment. It may not be as obviously immediate but the knock on effect is huge! Well I knew this would come up about the smokers, alcoholics and obese people. Don't forget the drug addicts. Although I'm obese myself it's not straight forward of "oooh I'll think I'll eat myself to death" it's psychological, well my personal experience is. I cannot comment on smokers or alcoholics. Maybe what I said was a tad harsh about people not getting treated for covid if they refuse the jab. But I don't understand people who do refuse it. I just have a very dislike to people who are antivax" Well maybe People don’t understand your psychological issues around eating and therefore being obese. I still wouldn’t begrudge you treatment from the NHS for any obese related problems. You don’t need to understand the people that opt out of the vaccines. Just accept it. | |||
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"What makes me laugh is people refuse to have the vaccine and yet put all sorts of chemicals inside their bodies anyway. And anyway for people who refuse the vaccine unless for a valid reason i.e medical then if they get covid I dont think they deserve to get treated. See this sort of thing said a lot. While I get the sentiment I cannot agree less! Yes you start with Covid vaccine refusal but what next? Smokers - fuck you. Drinkers - fuck you. Obese - fuck you. And before anyone shouts “those people are only a danger to themselves” the point is those three categories drain huge resources from our healthcare system that endanger the lives of others who desperately need treatment. It may not be as obviously immediate but the knock on effect is huge! Well I knew this would come up about the smokers, alcoholics and obese people. Don't forget the drug addicts. Although I'm obese myself it's not straight forward of "oooh I'll think I'll eat myself to death" it's psychological, well my personal experience is. I cannot comment on smokers or alcoholics. Maybe what I said was a tad harsh about people not getting treated for covid if they refuse the jab. But I don't understand people who do refuse it. I just have a very dislike to people who are antivax I'm hoping the lack of vaccine limits their lives in some way, this should be a nationwide effort to contribute to herd immunity, not people deciding they know more than experts who have been in their professions for decades. " I am playing devils advocate here because I think it is right to challenge black & white thinking when the reality is there are shades of grey in everything in life. There is a difference between those who have concerns and are vaccine hesitant and those who believe varying levels of conspiracy theory and are anti-vax. I think people have absolutely every right to be cautious and ask for more information to reassure them about safety. There is no data (nor can there be) on possible long term health issues/side effects. That scares some people. Perhaps by having a little more sympathy and understanding for that group and providing positive encouragement, it might help people rather than further alienating them and ultimately entrenching worries. As for anti vax gang, I agree. Nutters! | |||
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"What makes me laugh is people refuse to have the vaccine and yet put all sorts of chemicals inside their bodies anyway. And anyway for people who refuse the vaccine unless for a valid reason i.e medical then if they get covid I dont think they deserve to get treated. See this sort of thing said a lot. While I get the sentiment I cannot agree less! Yes you start with Covid vaccine refusal but what next? Smokers - fuck you. Drinkers - fuck you. Obese - fuck you. And before anyone shouts “those people are only a danger to themselves” the point is those three categories drain huge resources from our healthcare system that endanger the lives of others who desperately need treatment. It may not be as obviously immediate but the knock on effect is huge! Well I knew this would come up about the smokers, alcoholics and obese people. Don't forget the drug addicts. Although I'm obese myself it's not straight forward of "oooh I'll think I'll eat myself to death" it's psychological, well my personal experience is. I cannot comment on smokers or alcoholics. Maybe what I said was a tad harsh about people not getting treated for covid if they refuse the jab. But I don't understand people who do refuse it. I just have a very dislike to people who are antivax I'm hoping the lack of vaccine limits their lives in some way, this should be a nationwide effort to contribute to herd immunity, not people deciding they know more than experts who have been in their professions for decades. I am playing devils advocate here because I think it is right to challenge black & white thinking when the reality is there are shades of grey in everything in life. There is a difference between those who have concerns and are vaccine hesitant and those who believe varying levels of conspiracy theory and are anti-vax. I think people have absolutely every right to be cautious and ask for more information to reassure them about safety. There is no data (nor can there be) on possible long term health issues/side effects. That scares some people. Perhaps by having a little more sympathy and understanding for that group and providing positive encouragement, it might help people rather than further alienating them and ultimately entrenching worries. As for anti vax gang, I agree. Nutters!" I've tried being patient and encouragement, it doesn't work, most of them aren't willing to listen. I've given up on trying to make them see sense. | |||
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"What makes me laugh is people refuse to have the vaccine and yet put all sorts of chemicals inside their bodies anyway. And anyway for people who refuse the vaccine unless for a valid reason i.e medical then if they get covid I dont think they deserve to get treated. See this sort of thing said a lot. While I get the sentiment I cannot agree less! Yes you start with Covid vaccine refusal but what next? Smokers - fuck you. Drinkers - fuck you. Obese - fuck you. And before anyone shouts “those people are only a danger to themselves” the point is those three categories drain huge resources from our healthcare system that endanger the lives of others who desperately need treatment. It may not be as obviously immediate but the knock on effect is huge! Well I knew this would come up about the smokers, alcoholics and obese people. Don't forget the drug addicts. Although I'm obese myself it's not straight forward of "oooh I'll think I'll eat myself to death" it's psychological, well my personal experience is. I cannot comment on smokers or alcoholics. Maybe what I said was a tad harsh about people not getting treated for covid if they refuse the jab. But I don't understand people who do refuse it. I just have a very dislike to people who are antivax I'm hoping the lack of vaccine limits their lives in some way, this should be a nationwide effort to contribute to herd immunity, not people deciding they know more than experts who have been in their professions for decades. " Wow, what a toxic, spiteful attitude to life. Of course being overweight is the greatest predictor of a poor Covid outcome, so it would be more logical to say all the fat people should just stay indoors for the duration wouldn't you say. Meanwhile new restrictions are announced in Singapore after an outbreak at the airport according to the New York Times: ‘’Singapore health officials said that of 28 airport workers who became infected, 19 were FULLY VACCINATED with either the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines’’ | |||
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"Vaccine. I trust human ingenuity and the track record of medical safety is exemplary (not perfect, but better than the alternative). And eventually even I'll crack being at home all the time." Take a look at how much these companies have been fined for malpractice, ranging from 350 million to over 4 billion | |||
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"Virus is s mild cold as stated on who and government website in march 2020. If you want the shot (not a vaccine so willnot call it one) then if your happy you have researched it and I dont mean on telly then I have no problem. However I have a problem when they start all this passport bollicks .. keep safe  "ps the shot trails end in feb 2023 | |||
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"I was wondering that when people go back to clubs will they ask to see proof of the vaccines before they play with that person? If they end up with a Sti through their lifestyle choices should they be refused treatment like what is being suggested for people not taking the vaccine? " There are other precautions against sti's. | |||
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"Vaccine. I trust human ingenuity and the track record of medical safety is exemplary (not perfect, but better than the alternative). And eventually even I'll crack being at home all the time. Take a look at how much these companies have been fined for malpractice, ranging from 350 million to over 4 billion" Vaccine | |||
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"A not-so-hypothetical: You are offered a choice, you can take the vaccine or get the virus, which do you do? The virus has been honed by evolution to be moderately effective at taking over as many cells in your body as possible, converting them into factories to make more virus, and then exploding them when done. Given a free run, the virus would convert your entire body mass into grey goo within a few weeks. The virus has run into some level of resistance from the pesky human immune system, but generally virus trials are going well with about 4 million humans killed over a 16 month period. A small number of humans have managed to die in vehicle accidents some time after being infected by the virus, but the virus does not take any credit for these deaths. The vaccine has been designed by very clever humans to be moderately effective at protecting against the virus. It has a strictly limited operation, a fixed amount is injected and it does not self replicate. The vaccine does the equivalent of going around cells handing out an information leaflet with a photo of the virus to the security guard on each cell door, warning that this is a nasty one that should not be allowed in. The vaccine has run into some level of resistance from people with irrational fears, but generally vaccine trials are going well with many reports of a sore arm for a couple of days, a smaller number of more serious symptoms that have taken a week or two to recover from, and a tiny number of deaths that might be attributable to vaccine but are more likely to be caused by virus that has sneaked past the cell guards before they have been fully briefed. A small number of humans have managed to die in vehicle accidents some time after being treated with the vaccine, but the vaccine is probably not related to these deaths. Your options are to either (a) take the vaccine, (b) get the virus, or (c) wear a mask and stay away from other people for the rest of your life. Please reply a, b, or c. For bonus points, you may provide a short rationale fro your decision." This is a very interesting post and despite being completely straight, I do feel compelled to reply. | |||
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"Virus is s mild cold as stated on who and government website in march 2020. If you want the shot (not a vaccine so willnot call it one) then if your happy you have researched it and I dont mean on telly then I have no problem. However I have a problem when they start all this passport bollicks .. keep safe ps the shot trails end in feb 2023 "That is right, it ends in 2023. | |||
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"I was wondering that when people go back to clubs will they ask to see proof of the vaccines before they play with that person? If they end up with a Sti through their lifestyle choices should they be refused treatment like what is being suggested for people not taking the vaccine? There are other precautions against sti's. " Would you ask for proof of vaccines? | |||
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"I was wondering that when people go back to clubs will they ask to see proof of the vaccines before they play with that person? If they end up with a Sti through their lifestyle choices should they be refused treatment like what is being suggested for people not taking the vaccine? There are other precautions against sti's. Would you ask for proof of vaccines?" I only meet at clubs so I would most likely already know since I'd ask. | |||
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"What makes me laugh is people refuse to have the vaccine and yet put all sorts of chemicals inside their bodies anyway. And anyway for people who refuse the vaccine unless for a valid reason i.e medical then if they get covid I dont think they deserve to get treated. See this sort of thing said a lot. While I get the sentiment I cannot agree less! Yes you start with Covid vaccine refusal but what next? Smokers - fuck you. Drinkers - fuck you. Obese - fuck you. And before anyone shouts “those people are only a danger to themselves” the point is those three categories drain huge resources from our healthcare system that endanger the lives of others who desperately need treatment. It may not be as obviously immediate but the knock on effect is huge! Well I knew this would come up about the smokers, alcoholics and obese people. Don't forget the drug addicts. Although I'm obese myself it's not straight forward of "oooh I'll think I'll eat myself to death" it's psychological, well my personal experience is. I cannot comment on smokers or alcoholics. Maybe what I said was a tad harsh about people not getting treated for covid if they refuse the jab. But I don't understand people who do refuse it. I just have a very dislike to people who are antivax I'm hoping the lack of vaccine limits their lives in some way, this should be a nationwide effort to contribute to herd immunity, not people deciding they know more than experts who have been in their professions for decades. Wow, what a toxic, spiteful attitude to life. Of course being overweight is the greatest predictor of a poor Covid outcome, so it would be more logical to say all the fat people should just stay indoors for the duration wouldn't you say. Meanwhile new restrictions are announced in Singapore after an outbreak at the airport according to the New York Times: ‘’Singapore health officials said that of 28 airport workers who became infected, 19 were FULLY VACCINATED with either the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines’’" Haha no it isn't. You can be overweight and still be healthy. Hell even slim and healthy people had covid and some of them didn't even survive. So anyone is at risk. Nobody is safe. | |||
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"What makes me laugh is people refuse to have the vaccine and yet put all sorts of chemicals inside their bodies anyway. And anyway for people who refuse the vaccine unless for a valid reason i.e medical then if they get covid I dont think they deserve to get treated. See this sort of thing said a lot. While I get the sentiment I cannot agree less! Yes you start with Covid vaccine refusal but what next? Smokers - fuck you. Drinkers - fuck you. Obese - fuck you. And before anyone shouts “those people are only a danger to themselves” the point is those three categories drain huge resources from our healthcare system that endanger the lives of others who desperately need treatment. It may not be as obviously immediate but the knock on effect is huge! Well I knew this would come up about the smokers, alcoholics and obese people. Don't forget the drug addicts. Although I'm obese myself it's not straight forward of "oooh I'll think I'll eat myself to death" it's psychological, well my personal experience is. I cannot comment on smokers or alcoholics. Maybe what I said was a tad harsh about people not getting treated for covid if they refuse the jab. But I don't understand people who do refuse it. I just have a very dislike to people who are antivax I'm hoping the lack of vaccine limits their lives in some way, this should be a nationwide effort to contribute to herd immunity, not people deciding they know more than experts who have been in their professions for decades. Wow, what a toxic, spiteful attitude to life. Of course being overweight is the greatest predictor of a poor Covid outcome, so it would be more logical to say all the fat people should just stay indoors for the duration wouldn't you say. Meanwhile new restrictions are announced in Singapore after an outbreak at the airport according to the New York Times: ‘’Singapore health officials said that of 28 airport workers who became infected, 19 were FULLY VACCINATED with either the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines’’ Haha no it isn't. You can be overweight and still be healthy. Hell even slim and healthy people had covid and some of them didn't even survive. So anyone is at risk. Nobody is safe. " Nope, no such thing as a healthy obese person, lock 'em all up. | |||
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"What makes me laugh is people refuse to have the vaccine and yet put all sorts of chemicals inside their bodies anyway. And anyway for people who refuse the vaccine unless for a valid reason i.e medical then if they get covid I dont think they deserve to get treated. See this sort of thing said a lot. While I get the sentiment I cannot agree less! Yes you start with Covid vaccine refusal but what next? Smokers - fuck you. Drinkers - fuck you. Obese - fuck you. And before anyone shouts “those people are only a danger to themselves” the point is those three categories drain huge resources from our healthcare system that endanger the lives of others who desperately need treatment. It may not be as obviously immediate but the knock on effect is huge! Well I knew this would come up about the smokers, alcoholics and obese people. Don't forget the drug addicts. Although I'm obese myself it's not straight forward of "oooh I'll think I'll eat myself to death" it's psychological, well my personal experience is. I cannot comment on smokers or alcoholics. Maybe what I said was a tad harsh about people not getting treated for covid if they refuse the jab. But I don't understand people who do refuse it. I just have a very dislike to people who are antivax I'm hoping the lack of vaccine limits their lives in some way, this should be a nationwide effort to contribute to herd immunity, not people deciding they know more than experts who have been in their professions for decades. Wow, what a toxic, spiteful attitude to life. Of course being overweight is the greatest predictor of a poor Covid outcome, so it would be more logical to say all the fat people should just stay indoors for the duration wouldn't you say. Meanwhile new restrictions are announced in Singapore after an outbreak at the airport according to the New York Times: ‘’Singapore health officials said that of 28 airport workers who became infected, 19 were FULLY VACCINATED with either the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines’’ Haha no it isn't. You can be overweight and still be healthy. Hell even slim and healthy people had covid and some of them didn't even survive. So anyone is at risk. Nobody is safe. " Anyone can catch covid but being obese puts people at greater risk of serious illness or death from COVID-19. | |||
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"What makes me laugh is people refuse to have the vaccine and yet put all sorts of chemicals inside their bodies anyway. And anyway for people who refuse the vaccine unless for a valid reason i.e medical then if they get covid I dont think they deserve to get treated. See this sort of thing said a lot. While I get the sentiment I cannot agree less! Yes you start with Covid vaccine refusal but what next? Smokers - fuck you. Drinkers - fuck you. Obese - fuck you. And before anyone shouts “those people are only a danger to themselves” the point is those three categories drain huge resources from our healthcare system that endanger the lives of others who desperately need treatment. It may not be as obviously immediate but the knock on effect is huge! Well I knew this would come up about the smokers, alcoholics and obese people. Don't forget the drug addicts. Although I'm obese myself it's not straight forward of "oooh I'll think I'll eat myself to death" it's psychological, well my personal experience is. I cannot comment on smokers or alcoholics. Maybe what I said was a tad harsh about people not getting treated for covid if they refuse the jab. But I don't understand people who do refuse it. I just have a very dislike to people who are antivax I'm hoping the lack of vaccine limits their lives in some way, this should be a nationwide effort to contribute to herd immunity, not people deciding they know more than experts who have been in their professions for decades. Wow, what a toxic, spiteful attitude to life. Of course being overweight is the greatest predictor of a poor Covid outcome, so it would be more logical to say all the fat people should just stay indoors for the duration wouldn't you say. Meanwhile new restrictions are announced in Singapore after an outbreak at the airport according to the New York Times: ‘’Singapore health officials said that of 28 airport workers who became infected, 19 were FULLY VACCINATED with either the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines’’ Haha no it isn't. You can be overweight and still be healthy. Hell even slim and healthy people had covid and some of them didn't even survive. So anyone is at risk. Nobody is safe. Anyone can catch covid but being obese puts people at greater risk of serious illness or death from COVID-19. " Funny the amount of people on here screaming in every forum mentioning it about how it’s not safe and u shouldn’t be meeting/travelling etc and how they value their own health. Yet not enough to shift a few stone. Mind u hiding under your bed for a year must play havoc with your exercise & diet regime | |||
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"What makes me laugh is people refuse to have the vaccine and yet put all sorts of chemicals inside their bodies anyway. And anyway for people who refuse the vaccine unless for a valid reason i.e medical then if they get covid I dont think they deserve to get treated. See this sort of thing said a lot. While I get the sentiment I cannot agree less! Yes you start with Covid vaccine refusal but what next? Smokers - fuck you. Drinkers - fuck you. Obese - fuck you. And before anyone shouts “those people are only a danger to themselves” the point is those three categories drain huge resources from our healthcare system that endanger the lives of others who desperately need treatment. It may not be as obviously immediate but the knock on effect is huge! Well I knew this would come up about the smokers, alcoholics and obese people. Don't forget the drug addicts. Although I'm obese myself it's not straight forward of "oooh I'll think I'll eat myself to death" it's psychological, well my personal experience is. I cannot comment on smokers or alcoholics. Maybe what I said was a tad harsh about people not getting treated for covid if they refuse the jab. But I don't understand people who do refuse it. I just have a very dislike to people who are antivax I'm hoping the lack of vaccine limits their lives in some way, this should be a nationwide effort to contribute to herd immunity, not people deciding they know more than experts who have been in their professions for decades. Wow, what a toxic, spiteful attitude to life. Of course being overweight is the greatest predictor of a poor Covid outcome, so it would be more logical to say all the fat people should just stay indoors for the duration wouldn't you say. Meanwhile new restrictions are announced in Singapore after an outbreak at the airport according to the New York Times: ‘’Singapore health officials said that of 28 airport workers who became infected, 19 were FULLY VACCINATED with either the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines’’ Haha no it isn't. You can be overweight and still be healthy. Hell even slim and healthy people had covid and some of them didn't even survive. So anyone is at risk. Nobody is safe. Nope, no such thing as a healthy obese person, lock 'em all up." You said overweight in your last comment, not obese. | |||
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"What makes me laugh is people refuse to have the vaccine and yet put all sorts of chemicals inside their bodies anyway. And anyway for people who refuse the vaccine unless for a valid reason i.e medical then if they get covid I dont think they deserve to get treated. See this sort of thing said a lot. While I get the sentiment I cannot agree less! Yes you start with Covid vaccine refusal but what next? Smokers - fuck you. Drinkers - fuck you. Obese - fuck you. And before anyone shouts “those people are only a danger to themselves” the point is those three categories drain huge resources from our healthcare system that endanger the lives of others who desperately need treatment. It may not be as obviously immediate but the knock on effect is huge! Well I knew this would come up about the smokers, alcoholics and obese people. Don't forget the drug addicts. Although I'm obese myself it's not straight forward of "oooh I'll think I'll eat myself to death" it's psychological, well my personal experience is. I cannot comment on smokers or alcoholics. Maybe what I said was a tad harsh about people not getting treated for covid if they refuse the jab. But I don't understand people who do refuse it. I just have a very dislike to people who are antivax I'm hoping the lack of vaccine limits their lives in some way, this should be a nationwide effort to contribute to herd immunity, not people deciding they know more than experts who have been in their professions for decades. Wow, what a toxic, spiteful attitude to life. Of course being overweight is the greatest predictor of a poor Covid outcome, so it would be more logical to say all the fat people should just stay indoors for the duration wouldn't you say. Meanwhile new restrictions are announced in Singapore after an outbreak at the airport according to the New York Times: ‘’Singapore health officials said that of 28 airport workers who became infected, 19 were FULLY VACCINATED with either the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines’’ Haha no it isn't. You can be overweight and still be healthy. Hell even slim and healthy people had covid and some of them didn't even survive. So anyone is at risk. Nobody is safe. Anyone can catch covid but being obese puts people at greater risk of serious illness or death from COVID-19. " Being overweight and being obese are two different things. | |||
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"What makes me laugh is people refuse to have the vaccine and yet put all sorts of chemicals inside their bodies anyway. And anyway for people who refuse the vaccine unless for a valid reason i.e medical then if they get covid I dont think they deserve to get treated. See this sort of thing said a lot. While I get the sentiment I cannot agree less! Yes you start with Covid vaccine refusal but what next? Smokers - fuck you. Drinkers - fuck you. Obese - fuck you. And before anyone shouts “those people are only a danger to themselves” the point is those three categories drain huge resources from our healthcare system that endanger the lives of others who desperately need treatment. It may not be as obviously immediate but the knock on effect is huge! Well I knew this would come up about the smokers, alcoholics and obese people. Don't forget the drug addicts. Although I'm obese myself it's not straight forward of "oooh I'll think I'll eat myself to death" it's psychological, well my personal experience is. I cannot comment on smokers or alcoholics. Maybe what I said was a tad harsh about people not getting treated for covid if they refuse the jab. But I don't understand people who do refuse it. I just have a very dislike to people who are antivax I'm hoping the lack of vaccine limits their lives in some way, this should be a nationwide effort to contribute to herd immunity, not people deciding they know more than experts who have been in their professions for decades. Wow, what a toxic, spiteful attitude to life. Of course being overweight is the greatest predictor of a poor Covid outcome, so it would be more logical to say all the fat people should just stay indoors for the duration wouldn't you say. Meanwhile new restrictions are announced in Singapore after an outbreak at the airport according to the New York Times: ‘’Singapore health officials said that of 28 airport workers who became infected, 19 were FULLY VACCINATED with either the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines’’ Haha no it isn't. You can be overweight and still be healthy. Hell even slim and healthy people had covid and some of them didn't even survive. So anyone is at risk. Nobody is safe. Anyone can catch covid but being obese puts people at greater risk of serious illness or death from COVID-19. Being overweight and being obese are two different things." I’d imagine the women just meant overweight in the general term. It’s like saying if you’re fat then you’re more at risk. Which you are. | |||
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"What makes me laugh is people refuse to have the vaccine and yet put all sorts of chemicals inside their bodies anyway. And anyway for people who refuse the vaccine unless for a valid reason i.e medical then if they get covid I dont think they deserve to get treated. See this sort of thing said a lot. While I get the sentiment I cannot agree less! Yes you start with Covid vaccine refusal but what next? Smokers - fuck you. Drinkers - fuck you. Obese - fuck you. And before anyone shouts “those people are only a danger to themselves” the point is those three categories drain huge resources from our healthcare system that endanger the lives of others who desperately need treatment. It may not be as obviously immediate but the knock on effect is huge! Well I knew this would come up about the smokers, alcoholics and obese people. Don't forget the drug addicts. Although I'm obese myself it's not straight forward of "oooh I'll think I'll eat myself to death" it's psychological, well my personal experience is. I cannot comment on smokers or alcoholics. Maybe what I said was a tad harsh about people not getting treated for covid if they refuse the jab. But I don't understand people who do refuse it. I just have a very dislike to people who are antivax I'm hoping the lack of vaccine limits their lives in some way, this should be a nationwide effort to contribute to herd immunity, not people deciding they know more than experts who have been in their professions for decades. Wow, what a toxic, spiteful attitude to life. Of course being overweight is the greatest predictor of a poor Covid outcome, so it would be more logical to say all the fat people should just stay indoors for the duration wouldn't you say. Meanwhile new restrictions are announced in Singapore after an outbreak at the airport according to the New York Times: ‘’Singapore health officials said that of 28 airport workers who became infected, 19 were FULLY VACCINATED with either the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines’’ Haha no it isn't. You can be overweight and still be healthy. Hell even slim and healthy people had covid and some of them didn't even survive. So anyone is at risk. Nobody is safe. Anyone can catch covid but being obese puts people at greater risk of serious illness or death from COVID-19. Being overweight and being obese are two different things. I’d imagine the women just meant overweight in the general term. It’s like saying if you’re fat then you’re more at risk. Which you are. " Yup you are, same as being underweight too. Anything that has a underlying health problems | |||
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"What makes me laugh is people refuse to have the vaccine and yet put all sorts of chemicals inside their bodies anyway. And anyway for people who refuse the vaccine unless for a valid reason i.e medical then if they get covid I dont think they deserve to get treated. See this sort of thing said a lot. While I get the sentiment I cannot agree less! Yes you start with Covid vaccine refusal but what next? Smokers - fuck you. Drinkers - fuck you. Obese - fuck you. And before anyone shouts “those people are only a danger to themselves” the point is those three categories drain huge resources from our healthcare system that endanger the lives of others who desperately need treatment. It may not be as obviously immediate but the knock on effect is huge! Well I knew this would come up about the smokers, alcoholics and obese people. Don't forget the drug addicts. Although I'm obese myself it's not straight forward of "oooh I'll think I'll eat myself to death" it's psychological, well my personal experience is. I cannot comment on smokers or alcoholics. Maybe what I said was a tad harsh about people not getting treated for covid if they refuse the jab. But I don't understand people who do refuse it. I just have a very dislike to people who are antivax I'm hoping the lack of vaccine limits their lives in some way, this should be a nationwide effort to contribute to herd immunity, not people deciding they know more than experts who have been in their professions for decades. Wow, what a toxic, spiteful attitude to life. Of course being overweight is the greatest predictor of a poor Covid outcome, so it would be more logical to say all the fat people should just stay indoors for the duration wouldn't you say. Meanwhile new restrictions are announced in Singapore after an outbreak at the airport according to the New York Times: ‘’Singapore health officials said that of 28 airport workers who became infected, 19 were FULLY VACCINATED with either the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines’’ Haha no it isn't. You can be overweight and still be healthy. Hell even slim and healthy people had covid and some of them didn't even survive. So anyone is at risk. Nobody is safe. Anyone can catch covid but being obese puts people at greater risk of serious illness or death from COVID-19. Being overweight and being obese are two different things. I’d imagine the women just meant overweight in the general term. It’s like saying if you’re fat then you’re more at risk. Which you are. Yup you are, same as being underweight too. Anything that has a underlying health problems" Excess weight is intrinsicly unhealthy, it is merely a matter of degree. A pound or two, maybe not. But a stone or two? Always. | |||
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"What makes me laugh is people refuse to have the vaccine and yet put all sorts of chemicals inside their bodies anyway. And anyway for people who refuse the vaccine unless for a valid reason i.e medical then if they get covid I dont think they deserve to get treated. See this sort of thing said a lot. While I get the sentiment I cannot agree less! Yes you start with Covid vaccine refusal but what next? Smokers - fuck you. Drinkers - fuck you. Obese - fuck you. And before anyone shouts “those people are only a danger to themselves” the point is those three categories drain huge resources from our healthcare system that endanger the lives of others who desperately need treatment. It may not be as obviously immediate but the knock on effect is huge! Well I knew this would come up about the smokers, alcoholics and obese people. Don't forget the drug addicts. Although I'm obese myself it's not straight forward of "oooh I'll think I'll eat myself to death" it's psychological, well my personal experience is. I cannot comment on smokers or alcoholics. Maybe what I said was a tad harsh about people not getting treated for covid if they refuse the jab. But I don't understand people who do refuse it. I just have a very dislike to people who are antivax I'm hoping the lack of vaccine limits their lives in some way, this should be a nationwide effort to contribute to herd immunity, not people deciding they know more than experts who have been in their professions for decades. Wow, what a toxic, spiteful attitude to life. Of course being overweight is the greatest predictor of a poor Covid outcome, so it would be more logical to say all the fat people should just stay indoors for the duration wouldn't you say. Meanwhile new restrictions are announced in Singapore after an outbreak at the airport according to the New York Times: ‘’Singapore health officials said that of 28 airport workers who became infected, 19 were FULLY VACCINATED with either the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines’’ Haha no it isn't. You can be overweight and still be healthy. Hell even slim and healthy people had covid and some of them didn't even survive. So anyone is at risk. Nobody is safe. Anyone can catch covid but being obese puts people at greater risk of serious illness or death from COVID-19. Being overweight and being obese are two different things. I’d imagine the women just meant overweight in the general term. It’s like saying if you’re fat then you’re more at risk. Which you are. Yup you are, same as being underweight too. Anything that has a underlying health problems Excess weight is intrinsicly unhealthy, it is merely a matter of degree. A pound or two, maybe not. But a stone or two? Always." And I said 'fat people', which means more than a pound or two. | |||
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"What makes me laugh is people refuse to have the vaccine and yet put all sorts of chemicals inside their bodies anyway. And anyway for people who refuse the vaccine unless for a valid reason i.e medical then if they get covid I dont think they deserve to get treated. See this sort of thing said a lot. While I get the sentiment I cannot agree less! Yes you start with Covid vaccine refusal but what next? Smokers - fuck you. Drinkers - fuck you. Obese - fuck you. And before anyone shouts “those people are only a danger to themselves” the point is those three categories drain huge resources from our healthcare system that endanger the lives of others who desperately need treatment. It may not be as obviously immediate but the knock on effect is huge! Well I knew this would come up about the smokers, alcoholics and obese people. Don't forget the drug addicts. Although I'm obese myself it's not straight forward of "oooh I'll think I'll eat myself to death" it's psychological, well my personal experience is. I cannot comment on smokers or alcoholics. Maybe what I said was a tad harsh about people not getting treated for covid if they refuse the jab. But I don't understand people who do refuse it. I just have a very dislike to people who are antivax I'm hoping the lack of vaccine limits their lives in some way, this should be a nationwide effort to contribute to herd immunity, not people deciding they know more than experts who have been in their professions for decades. Wow, what a toxic, spiteful attitude to life. Of course being overweight is the greatest predictor of a poor Covid outcome, so it would be more logical to say all the fat people should just stay indoors for the duration wouldn't you say. Meanwhile new restrictions are announced in Singapore after an outbreak at the airport according to the New York Times: ‘’Singapore health officials said that of 28 airport workers who became infected, 19 were FULLY VACCINATED with either the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines’’ Haha no it isn't. You can be overweight and still be healthy. Hell even slim and healthy people had covid and some of them didn't even survive. So anyone is at risk. Nobody is safe. Anyone can catch covid but being obese puts people at greater risk of serious illness or death from COVID-19. Being overweight and being obese are two different things. I’d imagine the women just meant overweight in the general term. It’s like saying if you’re fat then you’re more at risk. Which you are. Yup you are, same as being underweight too. Anything that has a underlying health problems Excess weight is intrinsicly unhealthy, it is merely a matter of degree. A pound or two, maybe not. But a stone or two? Always." I never said it wasn't? | |||
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"What makes me laugh is people refuse to have the vaccine and yet put all sorts of chemicals inside their bodies anyway. And anyway for people who refuse the vaccine unless for a valid reason i.e medical then if they get covid I dont think they deserve to get treated. See this sort of thing said a lot. While I get the sentiment I cannot agree less! Yes you start with Covid vaccine refusal but what next? Smokers - fuck you. Drinkers - fuck you. Obese - fuck you. And before anyone shouts “those people are only a danger to themselves” the point is those three categories drain huge resources from our healthcare system that endanger the lives of others who desperately need treatment. It may not be as obviously immediate but the knock on effect is huge! Well I knew this would come up about the smokers, alcoholics and obese people. Don't forget the drug addicts. Although I'm obese myself it's not straight forward of "oooh I'll think I'll eat myself to death" it's psychological, well my personal experience is. I cannot comment on smokers or alcoholics. Maybe what I said was a tad harsh about people not getting treated for covid if they refuse the jab. But I don't understand people who do refuse it. I just have a very dislike to people who are antivax I'm hoping the lack of vaccine limits their lives in some way, this should be a nationwide effort to contribute to herd immunity, not people deciding they know more than experts who have been in their professions for decades. Wow, what a toxic, spiteful attitude to life. Of course being overweight is the greatest predictor of a poor Covid outcome, so it would be more logical to say all the fat people should just stay indoors for the duration wouldn't you say. Meanwhile new restrictions are announced in Singapore after an outbreak at the airport according to the New York Times: ‘’Singapore health officials said that of 28 airport workers who became infected, 19 were FULLY VACCINATED with either the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines’’" I'd say I'm far from as toxic and spiteful as those refusing the vaccine. Nobody said the vaccine stops you getting the virus, one part of the article you missed out was that it said: None of the cases linked to the airport outbreak are believed to have resulted in critical illness or death, according to officials. Which is exactly what vaccines are designed to do. | |||
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"What makes me laugh is people refuse to have the vaccine and yet put all sorts of chemicals inside their bodies anyway. And anyway for people who refuse the vaccine unless for a valid reason i.e medical then if they get covid I dont think they deserve to get treated. See this sort of thing said a lot. While I get the sentiment I cannot agree less! Yes you start with Covid vaccine refusal but what next? Smokers - fuck you. Drinkers - fuck you. Obese - fuck you. And before anyone shouts “those people are only a danger to themselves” the point is those three categories drain huge resources from our healthcare system that endanger the lives of others who desperately need treatment. It may not be as obviously immediate but the knock on effect is huge! Well I knew this would come up about the smokers, alcoholics and obese people. Don't forget the drug addicts. Although I'm obese myself it's not straight forward of "oooh I'll think I'll eat myself to death" it's psychological, well my personal experience is. I cannot comment on smokers or alcoholics. Maybe what I said was a tad harsh about people not getting treated for covid if they refuse the jab. But I don't understand people who do refuse it. I just have a very dislike to people who are antivax I'm hoping the lack of vaccine limits their lives in some way, this should be a nationwide effort to contribute to herd immunity, not people deciding they know more than experts who have been in their professions for decades. Wow, what a toxic, spiteful attitude to life. Of course being overweight is the greatest predictor of a poor Covid outcome, so it would be more logical to say all the fat people should just stay indoors for the duration wouldn't you say. Meanwhile new restrictions are announced in Singapore after an outbreak at the airport according to the New York Times: ‘’Singapore health officials said that of 28 airport workers who became infected, 19 were FULLY VACCINATED with either the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines’’ I'd say I'm far from as toxic and spiteful as those refusing the vaccine. Nobody said the vaccine stops you getting the virus, one part of the article you missed out was that it said: None of the cases linked to the airport outbreak are believed to have resulted in critical illness or death, according to officials. Which is exactly what vaccines are designed to do. " Hospitalised people are seriously sick and use resources, as in Bolton hospital, vaccinated or not. Only time will tell who is the more negligent and irresponsible and worthy of your bitter condemnation - the vaccinated overweight ones or the fit healthy unvaccinated. You're living in a glass house throwing stones I suggest. | |||
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"What makes me laugh is people refuse to have the vaccine and yet put all sorts of chemicals inside their bodies anyway. And anyway for people who refuse the vaccine unless for a valid reason i.e medical then if they get covid I dont think they deserve to get treated. See this sort of thing said a lot. While I get the sentiment I cannot agree less! Yes you start with Covid vaccine refusal but what next? Smokers - fuck you. Drinkers - fuck you. Obese - fuck you. And before anyone shouts “those people are only a danger to themselves” the point is those three categories drain huge resources from our healthcare system that endanger the lives of others who desperately need treatment. It may not be as obviously immediate but the knock on effect is huge! Well I knew this would come up about the smokers, alcoholics and obese people. Don't forget the drug addicts. Although I'm obese myself it's not straight forward of "oooh I'll think I'll eat myself to death" it's psychological, well my personal experience is. I cannot comment on smokers or alcoholics. Maybe what I said was a tad harsh about people not getting treated for covid if they refuse the jab. But I don't understand people who do refuse it. I just have a very dislike to people who are antivax I'm hoping the lack of vaccine limits their lives in some way, this should be a nationwide effort to contribute to herd immunity, not people deciding they know more than experts who have been in their professions for decades. Wow, what a toxic, spiteful attitude to life. Of course being overweight is the greatest predictor of a poor Covid outcome, so it would be more logical to say all the fat people should just stay indoors for the duration wouldn't you say. Meanwhile new restrictions are announced in Singapore after an outbreak at the airport according to the New York Times: ‘’Singapore health officials said that of 28 airport workers who became infected, 19 were FULLY VACCINATED with either the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines’’ I'd say I'm far from as toxic and spiteful as those refusing the vaccine. Nobody said the vaccine stops you getting the virus, one part of the article you missed out was that it said: None of the cases linked to the airport outbreak are believed to have resulted in critical illness or death, according to officials. Which is exactly what vaccines are designed to do. Hospitalised people are seriously sick and use resources, as in Bolton hospital, vaccinated or not. Only time will tell who is the more negligent and irresponsible and worthy of your bitter condemnation - the vaccinated overweight ones or the fit healthy unvaccinated. You're living in a glass house throwing stones I suggest. " Do you have something against people who are overweight? Because it's coming across that you do. Apologies if I'm mistaken. | |||
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"What makes me laugh is people refuse to have the vaccine and yet put all sorts of chemicals inside their bodies anyway. And anyway for people who refuse the vaccine unless for a valid reason i.e medical then if they get covid I dont think they deserve to get treated. See this sort of thing said a lot. While I get the sentiment I cannot agree less! Yes you start with Covid vaccine refusal but what next? Smokers - fuck you. Drinkers - fuck you. Obese - fuck you. And before anyone shouts “those people are only a danger to themselves” the point is those three categories drain huge resources from our healthcare system that endanger the lives of others who desperately need treatment. It may not be as obviously immediate but the knock on effect is huge! Well I knew this would come up about the smokers, alcoholics and obese people. Don't forget the drug addicts. Although I'm obese myself it's not straight forward of "oooh I'll think I'll eat myself to death" it's psychological, well my personal experience is. I cannot comment on smokers or alcoholics. Maybe what I said was a tad harsh about people not getting treated for covid if they refuse the jab. But I don't understand people who do refuse it. I just have a very dislike to people who are antivax I'm hoping the lack of vaccine limits their lives in some way, this should be a nationwide effort to contribute to herd immunity, not people deciding they know more than experts who have been in their professions for decades. Wow, what a toxic, spiteful attitude to life. Of course being overweight is the greatest predictor of a poor Covid outcome, so it would be more logical to say all the fat people should just stay indoors for the duration wouldn't you say. Meanwhile new restrictions are announced in Singapore after an outbreak at the airport according to the New York Times: ‘’Singapore health officials said that of 28 airport workers who became infected, 19 were FULLY VACCINATED with either the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines’’ I'd say I'm far from as toxic and spiteful as those refusing the vaccine. Nobody said the vaccine stops you getting the virus, one part of the article you missed out was that it said: None of the cases linked to the airport outbreak are believed to have resulted in critical illness or death, according to officials. Which is exactly what vaccines are designed to do. Hospitalised people are seriously sick and use resources, as in Bolton hospital, vaccinated or not. Only time will tell who is the more negligent and irresponsible and worthy of your bitter condemnation - the vaccinated overweight ones or the fit healthy unvaccinated. You're living in a glass house throwing stones I suggest. Do you have something against people who are overweight? Because it's coming across that you do. Apologies if I'm mistaken." Not at all - just pointing out the hypocrisy of judging other people's health choices if your own are bad. | |||
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"What makes me laugh is people refuse to have the vaccine and yet put all sorts of chemicals inside their bodies anyway. And anyway for people who refuse the vaccine unless for a valid reason i.e medical then if they get covid I dont think they deserve to get treated. See this sort of thing said a lot. While I get the sentiment I cannot agree less! Yes you start with Covid vaccine refusal but what next? Smokers - fuck you. Drinkers - fuck you. Obese - fuck you. And before anyone shouts “those people are only a danger to themselves” the point is those three categories drain huge resources from our healthcare system that endanger the lives of others who desperately need treatment. It may not be as obviously immediate but the knock on effect is huge! Well I knew this would come up about the smokers, alcoholics and obese people. Don't forget the drug addicts. Although I'm obese myself it's not straight forward of "oooh I'll think I'll eat myself to death" it's psychological, well my personal experience is. I cannot comment on smokers or alcoholics. Maybe what I said was a tad harsh about people not getting treated for covid if they refuse the jab. But I don't understand people who do refuse it. I just have a very dislike to people who are antivax I'm hoping the lack of vaccine limits their lives in some way, this should be a nationwide effort to contribute to herd immunity, not people deciding they know more than experts who have been in their professions for decades. Wow, what a toxic, spiteful attitude to life. Of course being overweight is the greatest predictor of a poor Covid outcome, so it would be more logical to say all the fat people should just stay indoors for the duration wouldn't you say. Meanwhile new restrictions are announced in Singapore after an outbreak at the airport according to the New York Times: ‘’Singapore health officials said that of 28 airport workers who became infected, 19 were FULLY VACCINATED with either the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines’’ I'd say I'm far from as toxic and spiteful as those refusing the vaccine. Nobody said the vaccine stops you getting the virus, one part of the article you missed out was that it said: None of the cases linked to the airport outbreak are believed to have resulted in critical illness or death, according to officials. Which is exactly what vaccines are designed to do. Hospitalised people are seriously sick and use resources, as in Bolton hospital, vaccinated or not. Only time will tell who is the more negligent and irresponsible and worthy of your bitter condemnation - the vaccinated overweight ones or the fit healthy unvaccinated. You're living in a glass house throwing stones I suggest. Do you have something against people who are overweight? Because it's coming across that you do. Apologies if I'm mistaken. Not at all - just pointing out the hypocrisy of judging other people's health choices if your own are bad. " Yeah I get that. | |||
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"What makes me laugh is people refuse to have the vaccine and yet put all sorts of chemicals inside their bodies anyway. And anyway for people who refuse the vaccine unless for a valid reason i.e medical then if they get covid I dont think they deserve to get treated. See this sort of thing said a lot. While I get the sentiment I cannot agree less! Yes you start with Covid vaccine refusal but what next? Smokers - fuck you. Drinkers - fuck you. Obese - fuck you. And before anyone shouts “those people are only a danger to themselves” the point is those three categories drain huge resources from our healthcare system that endanger the lives of others who desperately need treatment. It may not be as obviously immediate but the knock on effect is huge! Well I knew this would come up about the smokers, alcoholics and obese people. Don't forget the drug addicts. Although I'm obese myself it's not straight forward of "oooh I'll think I'll eat myself to death" it's psychological, well my personal experience is. I cannot comment on smokers or alcoholics. Maybe what I said was a tad harsh about people not getting treated for covid if they refuse the jab. But I don't understand people who do refuse it. I just have a very dislike to people who are antivax I'm hoping the lack of vaccine limits their lives in some way, this should be a nationwide effort to contribute to herd immunity, not people deciding they know more than experts who have been in their professions for decades. Wow, what a toxic, spiteful attitude to life. Of course being overweight is the greatest predictor of a poor Covid outcome, so it would be more logical to say all the fat people should just stay indoors for the duration wouldn't you say. Meanwhile new restrictions are announced in Singapore after an outbreak at the airport according to the New York Times: ‘’Singapore health officials said that of 28 airport workers who became infected, 19 were FULLY VACCINATED with either the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines’’ I'd say I'm far from as toxic and spiteful as those refusing the vaccine. Nobody said the vaccine stops you getting the virus, one part of the article you missed out was that it said: None of the cases linked to the airport outbreak are believed to have resulted in critical illness or death, according to officials. Which is exactly what vaccines are designed to do. Hospitalised people are seriously sick and use resources, as in Bolton hospital, vaccinated or not. Only time will tell who is the more negligent and irresponsible and worthy of your bitter condemnation - the vaccinated overweight ones or the fit healthy unvaccinated. You're living in a glass house throwing stones I suggest. Do you have something against people who are overweight? Because it's coming across that you do. Apologies if I'm mistaken. Not at all - just pointing out the hypocrisy of judging other people's health choices if your own are bad. " I certainly hope you're not making personal attacks against my appearance. | |||
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"What makes me laugh is people refuse to have the vaccine and yet put all sorts of chemicals inside their bodies anyway. And anyway for people who refuse the vaccine unless for a valid reason i.e medical then if they get covid I dont think they deserve to get treated. See this sort of thing said a lot. While I get the sentiment I cannot agree less! Yes you start with Covid vaccine refusal but what next? Smokers - fuck you. Drinkers - fuck you. Obese - fuck you. And before anyone shouts “those people are only a danger to themselves” the point is those three categories drain huge resources from our healthcare system that endanger the lives of others who desperately need treatment. It may not be as obviously immediate but the knock on effect is huge! Well I knew this would come up about the smokers, alcoholics and obese people. Don't forget the drug addicts. Although I'm obese myself it's not straight forward of "oooh I'll think I'll eat myself to death" it's psychological, well my personal experience is. I cannot comment on smokers or alcoholics. Maybe what I said was a tad harsh about people not getting treated for covid if they refuse the jab. But I don't understand people who do refuse it. I just have a very dislike to people who are antivax I'm hoping the lack of vaccine limits their lives in some way, this should be a nationwide effort to contribute to herd immunity, not people deciding they know more than experts who have been in their professions for decades. Wow, what a toxic, spiteful attitude to life. Of course being overweight is the greatest predictor of a poor Covid outcome, so it would be more logical to say all the fat people should just stay indoors for the duration wouldn't you say. Meanwhile new restrictions are announced in Singapore after an outbreak at the airport according to the New York Times: ‘’Singapore health officials said that of 28 airport workers who became infected, 19 were FULLY VACCINATED with either the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines’’ I'd say I'm far from as toxic and spiteful as those refusing the vaccine. Nobody said the vaccine stops you getting the virus, one part of the article you missed out was that it said: None of the cases linked to the airport outbreak are believed to have resulted in critical illness or death, according to officials. Which is exactly what vaccines are designed to do. Hospitalised people are seriously sick and use resources, as in Bolton hospital, vaccinated or not. Only time will tell who is the more negligent and irresponsible and worthy of your bitter condemnation - the vaccinated overweight ones or the fit healthy unvaccinated. You're living in a glass house throwing stones I suggest. Do you have something against people who are overweight? Because it's coming across that you do. Apologies if I'm mistaken. Not at all - just pointing out the hypocrisy of judging other people's health choices if your own are bad. I certainly hope you're not making personal attacks against my appearance. " No, just your hypocrisy and judgementalism. | |||
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"Wow. Here was me thinking that immunity to the virus was the best protection against the virus. Huh. Silly me. Sadly the current 'vaccines' don't provide immunity from infection or transmission.  "They're extremely effective at both. On a similar level to the polio vaccine. | |||
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"Wow. Here was me thinking that immunity to the virus was the best protection against the virus. Huh. Silly me." Sadly the current 'vaccines' don't provide enough immunity to prevent infection or transmission. A good natural immunity may be best - only 30% of those who's partners have Covid get infected apparently. | |||
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"Wow. Here was me thinking that immunity to the virus was the best protection against the virus. Huh. Silly me. Sadly the current 'vaccines' don't provide enough immunity to prevent infection or transmission. A good natural immunity may be best - only 30% of those who's partners have Covid get infected apparently." What? Yes they do! | |||
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"Wow. Here was me thinking that immunity to the virus was the best protection against the virus. Huh. Silly me. Sadly the current 'vaccines' don't provide immunity from infection or transmission.
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On a similar level to the polio vaccine."As I say, not able to prevent infection, transmission or hospitalisation. This is simply fact. | |||
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"Wow. Here was me thinking that immunity to the virus was the best protection against the virus. Huh. Silly me. Sadly the current 'vaccines' don't provide enough immunity to prevent infection or transmission. A good natural immunity may be best - only 30% of those who's partners have Covid get infected apparently. What? Yes they do! " No. No they do not!! What nonsense have you been told? | |||
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"What makes me laugh is people refuse to have the vaccine and yet put all sorts of chemicals inside their bodies anyway. And anyway for people who refuse the vaccine unless for a valid reason i.e medical then if they get covid I dont think they deserve to get treated. See this sort of thing said a lot. While I get the sentiment I cannot agree less! Yes you start with Covid vaccine refusal but what next? Smokers - fuck you. Drinkers - fuck you. Obese - fuck you. And before anyone shouts “those people are only a danger to themselves” the point is those three categories drain huge resources from our healthcare system that endanger the lives of others who desperately need treatment. It may not be as obviously immediate but the knock on effect is huge! Well I knew this would come up about the smokers, alcoholics and obese people. Don't forget the drug addicts. Although I'm obese myself it's not straight forward of "oooh I'll think I'll eat myself to death" it's psychological, well my personal experience is. I cannot comment on smokers or alcoholics. Maybe what I said was a tad harsh about people not getting treated for covid if they refuse the jab. But I don't understand people who do refuse it. I just have a very dislike to people who are antivax I'm hoping the lack of vaccine limits their lives in some way, this should be a nationwide effort to contribute to herd immunity, not people deciding they know more than experts who have been in their professions for decades. Wow, what a toxic, spiteful attitude to life. Of course being overweight is the greatest predictor of a poor Covid outcome, so it would be more logical to say all the fat people should just stay indoors for the duration wouldn't you say. Meanwhile new restrictions are announced in Singapore after an outbreak at the airport according to the New York Times: ‘’Singapore health officials said that of 28 airport workers who became infected, 19 were FULLY VACCINATED with either the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines’’ I'd say I'm far from as toxic and spiteful as those refusing the vaccine. Nobody said the vaccine stops you getting the virus, one part of the article you missed out was that it said: None of the cases linked to the airport outbreak are believed to have resulted in critical illness or death, according to officials. Which is exactly what vaccines are designed to do. Hospitalised people are seriously sick and use resources, as in Bolton hospital, vaccinated or not. Only time will tell who is the more negligent and irresponsible and worthy of your bitter condemnation - the vaccinated overweight ones or the fit healthy unvaccinated. You're living in a glass house throwing stones I suggest. Do you have something against people who are overweight? Because it's coming across that you do. Apologies if I'm mistaken. Not at all - just pointing out the hypocrisy of judging other people's health choices if your own are bad. " How do you know they are bad? You seem to be making assumptions. | |||
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"Wow. Here was me thinking that immunity to the virus was the best protection against the virus. Huh. Silly me. Sadly the current 'vaccines' don't provide enough immunity to prevent infection or transmission. A good natural immunity may be best - only 30% of those who's partners have Covid get infected apparently. What? Yes they do! No. No they do not!! What nonsense have you been told?" I suggest you look at all evidence rather than that supports your own narrative. | |||
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"Wow. Here was me thinking that immunity to the virus was the best protection against the virus. Huh. Silly me. Sadly the current 'vaccines' don't provide enough immunity to prevent infection or transmission. A good natural immunity may be best - only 30% of those who's partners have Covid get infected apparently." I don't know what sources you're using, but they're wildly out of date. Hope this helps. | |||
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"I'll just point out that I'm medically obese, though I prefer "fat". I have the resting heart rate of an Olympian, vital capacity of a competitive swimmer. My hormone levels are exactly where they should be, my liver and kidney function are among the best ever recorded. I think nothing of a three hour walk. Yet, people including doctors are fast to assume Many false things about my health and lifestyle from a glance at me body shape. Never assume a fat person is unhealthy or a slim person is healthy based solely on their body appearance." You may not as yet be able to see the detrimental affect it is having on your body but assure you it is happening, day in, day out. | |||
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"Wow. Here was me thinking that immunity to the virus was the best protection against the virus. Huh. Silly me. Sadly the current 'vaccines' don't provide enough immunity to prevent infection or transmission. A good natural immunity may be best - only 30% of those who's partners have Covid get infected apparently. I don't know what sources you're using, but they're wildly out of date. Hope this helps." Not at all, you are misguided. | |||
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"What makes me laugh is people refuse to have the vaccine and yet put all sorts of chemicals inside their bodies anyway. And anyway for people who refuse the vaccine unless for a valid reason i.e medical then if they get covid I dont think they deserve to get treated. See this sort of thing said a lot. While I get the sentiment I cannot agree less! Yes you start with Covid vaccine refusal but what next? Smokers - fuck you. Drinkers - fuck you. Obese - fuck you. And before anyone shouts “those people are only a danger to themselves” the point is those three categories drain huge resources from our healthcare system that endanger the lives of others who desperately need treatment. It may not be as obviously immediate but the knock on effect is huge! Well I knew this would come up about the smokers, alcoholics and obese people. Don't forget the drug addicts. Although I'm obese myself it's not straight forward of "oooh I'll think I'll eat myself to death" it's psychological, well my personal experience is. I cannot comment on smokers or alcoholics. Maybe what I said was a tad harsh about people not getting treated for covid if they refuse the jab. But I don't understand people who do refuse it. I just have a very dislike to people who are antivax I'm hoping the lack of vaccine limits their lives in some way, this should be a nationwide effort to contribute to herd immunity, not people deciding they know more than experts who have been in their professions for decades. Wow, what a toxic, spiteful attitude to life. Of course being overweight is the greatest predictor of a poor Covid outcome, so it would be more logical to say all the fat people should just stay indoors for the duration wouldn't you say. Meanwhile new restrictions are announced in Singapore after an outbreak at the airport according to the New York Times: ‘’Singapore health officials said that of 28 airport workers who became infected, 19 were FULLY VACCINATED with either the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines’’ I'd say I'm far from as toxic and spiteful as those refusing the vaccine. Nobody said the vaccine stops you getting the virus, one part of the article you missed out was that it said: None of the cases linked to the airport outbreak are believed to have resulted in critical illness or death, according to officials. Which is exactly what vaccines are designed to do. Hospitalised people are seriously sick and use resources, as in Bolton hospital, vaccinated or not. Only time will tell who is the more negligent and irresponsible and worthy of your bitter condemnation - the vaccinated overweight ones or the fit healthy unvaccinated. You're living in a glass house throwing stones I suggest. Do you have something against people who are overweight? Because it's coming across that you do. Apologies if I'm mistaken. Not at all - just pointing out the hypocrisy of judging other people's health choices if your own are bad. How do you know they are bad? You seem to be making assumptions. " I doubt it. | |||
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"Wow. Here was me thinking that immunity to the virus was the best protection against the virus. Huh. Silly me. Sadly the current 'vaccines' don't provide enough immunity to prevent infection or transmission. A good natural immunity may be best - only 30% of those who's partners have Covid get infected apparently. I don't know what sources you're using, but they're wildly out of date. Hope this helps. Not at all, you are misguided." Ok | |||
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"I'll just point out that I'm medically obese, though I prefer "fat". I have the resting heart rate of an Olympian, vital capacity of a competitive swimmer. My hormone levels are exactly where they should be, my liver and kidney function are among the best ever recorded. I think nothing of a three hour walk. Yet, people including doctors are fast to assume Many false things about my health and lifestyle from a glance at me body shape. Never assume a fat person is unhealthy or a slim person is healthy based solely on their body appearance. You may not as yet be able to see the detrimental affect it is having on your body but assure you it is happening, day in, day out." You really don't need to make those judgements, its not necessary and you have no idea of the state of someone's health based on their body size. | |||
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"I'll just point out that I'm medically obese, though I prefer "fat". I have the resting heart rate of an Olympian, vital capacity of a competitive swimmer. My hormone levels are exactly where they should be, my liver and kidney function are among the best ever recorded. I think nothing of a three hour walk. Yet, people including doctors are fast to assume Many false things about my health and lifestyle from a glance at me body shape. Never assume a fat person is unhealthy or a slim person is healthy based solely on their body appearance. You may not as yet be able to see the detrimental affect it is having on your body but assure you it is happening, day in, day out. You really don't need to make those judgements, its not necessary and you have no idea of the state of someone's health based on their body size. " I disagree. As does the entire medical profession. Obesity kills. | |||
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"What makes me laugh is people refuse to have the vaccine and yet put all sorts of chemicals inside their bodies anyway. And anyway for people who refuse the vaccine unless for a valid reason i.e medical then if they get covid I dont think they deserve to get treated. See this sort of thing said a lot. While I get the sentiment I cannot agree less! Yes you start with Covid vaccine refusal but what next? Smokers - fuck you. Drinkers - fuck you. Obese - fuck you. And before anyone shouts “those people are only a danger to themselves” the point is those three categories drain huge resources from our healthcare system that endanger the lives of others who desperately need treatment. It may not be as obviously immediate but the knock on effect is huge! Well I knew this would come up about the smokers, alcoholics and obese people. Don't forget the drug addicts. Although I'm obese myself it's not straight forward of "oooh I'll think I'll eat myself to death" it's psychological, well my personal experience is. I cannot comment on smokers or alcoholics. Maybe what I said was a tad harsh about people not getting treated for covid if they refuse the jab. But I don't understand people who do refuse it. I just have a very dislike to people who are antivax I'm hoping the lack of vaccine limits their lives in some way, this should be a nationwide effort to contribute to herd immunity, not people deciding they know more than experts who have been in their professions for decades. Wow, what a toxic, spiteful attitude to life. Of course being overweight is the greatest predictor of a poor Covid outcome, so it would be more logical to say all the fat people should just stay indoors for the duration wouldn't you say. Meanwhile new restrictions are announced in Singapore after an outbreak at the airport according to the New York Times: ‘’Singapore health officials said that of 28 airport workers who became infected, 19 were FULLY VACCINATED with either the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines’’ I'd say I'm far from as toxic and spiteful as those refusing the vaccine. Nobody said the vaccine stops you getting the virus, one part of the article you missed out was that it said: None of the cases linked to the airport outbreak are believed to have resulted in critical illness or death, according to officials. Which is exactly what vaccines are designed to do. Hospitalised people are seriously sick and use resources, as in Bolton hospital, vaccinated or not. Only time will tell who is the more negligent and irresponsible and worthy of your bitter condemnation - the vaccinated overweight ones or the fit healthy unvaccinated. You're living in a glass house throwing stones I suggest. Do you have something against people who are overweight? Because it's coming across that you do. Apologies if I'm mistaken. Not at all - just pointing out the hypocrisy of judging other people's health choices if your own are bad. I certainly hope you're not making personal attacks against my appearance. No, just your hypocrisy and judgementalism." Nope, you very clearly have mentioned several times about being overweight. FYI I have had severe hormonal issues since I was 13 and have been on many different hormone medications which make you gain weight, I also had to have a hysterectomy at the age of 33 because of these issues, leaving me unable to have anymore children if I'd wanted any. Maybe you need to take a look at your own toxic opinions before judging my opinions. | |||
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"I'll just point out that I'm medically obese, though I prefer "fat". I have the resting heart rate of an Olympian, vital capacity of a competitive swimmer. My hormone levels are exactly where they should be, my liver and kidney function are among the best ever recorded. I think nothing of a three hour walk. Yet, people including doctors are fast to assume Many false things about my health and lifestyle from a glance at me body shape. Never assume a fat person is unhealthy or a slim person is healthy based solely on their body appearance. You may not as yet be able to see the detrimental affect it is having on your body but assure you it is happening, day in, day out. You really don't need to make those judgements, its not necessary and you have no idea of the state of someone's health based on their body size. I disagree. As does the entire medical profession. Obesity kills." So does smoking, so does air pollution, so does driving, so does lots of things but you only seem concerned with weight. Unless you know someone's medical history you really don't get say who is healthy and who isn't as it comes across very judgemental and shaming. | |||
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"What makes me laugh is people refuse to have the vaccine and yet put all sorts of chemicals inside their bodies anyway. And anyway for people who refuse the vaccine unless for a valid reason i.e medical then if they get covid I dont think they deserve to get treated. See this sort of thing said a lot. While I get the sentiment I cannot agree less! Yes you start with Covid vaccine refusal but what next? Smokers - fuck you. Drinkers - fuck you. Obese - fuck you. And before anyone shouts “those people are only a danger to themselves” the point is those three categories drain huge resources from our healthcare system that endanger the lives of others who desperately need treatment. It may not be as obviously immediate but the knock on effect is huge! Well I knew this would come up about the smokers, alcoholics and obese people. Don't forget the drug addicts. Although I'm obese myself it's not straight forward of "oooh I'll think I'll eat myself to death" it's psychological, well my personal experience is. I cannot comment on smokers or alcoholics. Maybe what I said was a tad harsh about people not getting treated for covid if they refuse the jab. But I don't understand people who do refuse it. I just have a very dislike to people who are antivax I'm hoping the lack of vaccine limits their lives in some way, this should be a nationwide effort to contribute to herd immunity, not people deciding they know more than experts who have been in their professions for decades. Wow, what a toxic, spiteful attitude to life. Of course being overweight is the greatest predictor of a poor Covid outcome, so it would be more logical to say all the fat people should just stay indoors for the duration wouldn't you say. Meanwhile new restrictions are announced in Singapore after an outbreak at the airport according to the New York Times: ‘’Singapore health officials said that of 28 airport workers who became infected, 19 were FULLY VACCINATED with either the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines’’ I'd say I'm far from as toxic and spiteful as those refusing the vaccine. Nobody said the vaccine stops you getting the virus, one part of the article you missed out was that it said: None of the cases linked to the airport outbreak are believed to have resulted in critical illness or death, according to officials. Which is exactly what vaccines are designed to do. Hospitalised people are seriously sick and use resources, as in Bolton hospital, vaccinated or not. Only time will tell who is the more negligent and irresponsible and worthy of your bitter condemnation - the vaccinated overweight ones or the fit healthy unvaccinated. You're living in a glass house throwing stones I suggest. Do you have something against people who are overweight? Because it's coming across that you do. Apologies if I'm mistaken. Not at all - just pointing out the hypocrisy of judging other people's health choices if your own are bad. I certainly hope you're not making personal attacks against my appearance. No, just your hypocrisy and judgementalism. Nope, you very clearly have mentioned several times about being overweight. FYI I have had severe hormonal issues since I was 13 and have been on many different hormone medications which make you gain weight, I also had to have a hysterectomy at the age of 33 because of these issues, leaving me unable to have anymore children if I'd wanted any. Maybe you need to take a look at your own toxic opinions before judging my opinions. " You don't get it do you - I'm just playing devil's advocate and holding a mirror up on a thread where you wished suffering on other people for their choices and personal risk assessment, claiming your own moral superiority. Shame on you. | |||
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"I'll just point out that I'm medically obese, though I prefer "fat". I have the resting heart rate of an Olympian, vital capacity of a competitive swimmer. My hormone levels are exactly where they should be, my liver and kidney function are among the best ever recorded. I think nothing of a three hour walk. Yet, people including doctors are fast to assume Many false things about my health and lifestyle from a glance at me body shape. Never assume a fat person is unhealthy or a slim person is healthy based solely on their body appearance. You may not as yet be able to see the detrimental affect it is having on your body but assure you it is happening, day in, day out. You really don't need to make those judgements, its not necessary and you have no idea of the state of someone's health based on their body size. I disagree. As does the entire medical profession. Obesity kills. So does smoking, so does air pollution, so does driving, so does lots of things but you only seem concerned with weight. Unless you know someone's medical history you really don't get say who is healthy and who isn't as it comes across very judgemental and shaming. " Oh, like judging people for not being vaccinated yet without knowing anything about them? Take the plank out of your own eye. | |||
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"I'll just point out that I'm medically obese, though I prefer "fat". I have the resting heart rate of an Olympian, vital capacity of a competitive swimmer. My hormone levels are exactly where they should be, my liver and kidney function are among the best ever recorded. I think nothing of a three hour walk. Yet, people including doctors are fast to assume Many false things about my health and lifestyle from a glance at me body shape. Never assume a fat person is unhealthy or a slim person is healthy based solely on their body appearance. You may not as yet be able to see the detrimental affect it is having on your body but assure you it is happening, day in, day out. You really don't need to make those judgements, its not necessary and you have no idea of the state of someone's health based on their body size. I disagree. As does the entire medical profession. Obesity kills. So does smoking, so does air pollution, so does driving, so does lots of things but you only seem concerned with weight. Unless you know someone's medical history you really don't get say who is healthy and who isn't as it comes across very judgemental and shaming. Oh, like judging people for not being vaccinated yet without knowing anything about them? Take the plank out of your own eye. " Can you point to where iv said that please? I haven't judged anyone for not having the vaccine, I strongly think people should if they can but iv never said they shouldn't receive treatment or judged them for it. | |||
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". Nope, you very clearly have mentioned several times about being overweight. FYI I have had severe hormonal issues since I was 13 and have been on many different hormone medications which make you gain weight, I also had to have a hysterectomy at the age of 33 because of these issues, leaving me unable to have anymore children if I'd wanted any. Maybe you need to take a look at your own toxic opinions before judging my opinions. You don't get it do you - I'm just playing devil's advocate and holding a mirror up on a thread where you wished suffering on other people for their choices and personal risk assessment, claiming your own moral superiority. Shame on you. " I did no such thing, I just said I hope they face restrictions. I stand by that. Those that cannot have the vaccine are totally different to those that are refusing it because they think they know better than the professionals. | |||
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"Hmm. Back to the topic. Vaccine "Iv had both vaccination shots and the virus. I'd take another vaccine but never want covid again. | |||
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"What makes me laugh is people refuse to have the vaccine and yet put all sorts of chemicals inside their bodies anyway. And anyway for people who refuse the vaccine unless for a valid reason i.e medical then if they get covid I dont think they deserve to get treated. See this sort of thing said a lot. While I get the sentiment I cannot agree less! Yes you start with Covid vaccine refusal but what next? Smokers - fuck you. Drinkers - fuck you. Obese - fuck you. And before anyone shouts “those people are only a danger to themselves” the point is those three categories drain huge resources from our healthcare system that endanger the lives of others who desperately need treatment. It may not be as obviously immediate but the knock on effect is huge! Well I knew this would come up about the smokers, alcoholics and obese people. Don't forget the drug addicts. Although I'm obese myself it's not straight forward of "oooh I'll think I'll eat myself to death" it's psychological, well my personal experience is. I cannot comment on smokers or alcoholics. Maybe what I said was a tad harsh about people not getting treated for covid if they refuse the jab. But I don't understand people who do refuse it. I just have a very dislike to people who are antivax I'm hoping the lack of vaccine limits their lives in some way, this should be a nationwide effort to contribute to herd immunity, not people deciding they know more than experts who have been in their professions for decades. Wow, what a toxic, spiteful attitude to life. Of course being overweight is the greatest predictor of a poor Covid outcome, so it would be more logical to say all the fat people should just stay indoors for the duration wouldn't you say. Meanwhile new restrictions are announced in Singapore after an outbreak at the airport according to the New York Times: ‘’Singapore health officials said that of 28 airport workers who became infected, 19 were FULLY VACCINATED with either the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines’’ I'd say I'm far from as toxic and spiteful as those refusing the vaccine. Nobody said the vaccine stops you getting the virus, one part of the article you missed out was that it said: None of the cases linked to the airport outbreak are believed to have resulted in critical illness or death, according to officials. Which is exactly what vaccines are designed to do. Hospitalised people are seriously sick and use resources, as in Bolton hospital, vaccinated or not. Only time will tell who is the more negligent and irresponsible and worthy of your bitter condemnation - the vaccinated overweight ones or the fit healthy unvaccinated. You're living in a glass house throwing stones I suggest. Do you have something against people who are overweight? Because it's coming across that you do. Apologies if I'm mistaken. Not at all - just pointing out the hypocrisy of judging other people's health choices if your own are bad. I certainly hope you're not making personal attacks against my appearance. No, just your hypocrisy and judgementalism. Nope, you very clearly have mentioned several times about being overweight. FYI I have had severe hormonal issues since I was 13 and have been on many different hormone medications which make you gain weight, I also had to have a hysterectomy at the age of 33 because of these issues, leaving me unable to have anymore children if I'd wanted any. Maybe you need to take a look at your own toxic opinions before judging my opinions. You don't get it do you - I'm just playing devil's advocate and holding a mirror up on a thread where you wished suffering on other people for their choices and personal risk assessment, claiming your own moral superiority. Shame on you. " | |||
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Iv had both vaccination shots and the virus.
I'd take another vaccine but never want covid again. "I had a suspected case and a severe reaction after my first jab. I've cancelled all my obligations for the day after my second jab, and another severe reaction is better than having or spreading Covid. | |||
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". Nope, you very clearly have mentioned several times about being overweight. FYI I have had severe hormonal issues since I was 13 and have been on many different hormone medications which make you gain weight, I also had to have a hysterectomy at the age of 33 because of these issues, leaving me unable to have anymore children if I'd wanted any. Maybe you need to take a look at your own toxic opinions before judging my opinions. You don't get it do you - I'm just playing devil's advocate and holding a mirror up on a thread where you wished suffering on other people for their choices and personal risk assessment, claiming your own moral superiority. Shame on you. I did no such thing, I just said I hope they face restrictions. I stand by that. Those that cannot have the vaccine are totally different to those that are refusing it because they think they know better than the professionals." As I said, living in a glass house and throwing judgmental stones. | |||
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"I'll just point out that I'm medically obese, though I prefer "fat". I have the resting heart rate of an Olympian, vital capacity of a competitive swimmer. My hormone levels are exactly where they should be, my liver and kidney function are among the best ever recorded. I think nothing of a three hour walk. Yet, people including doctors are fast to assume Many false things about my health and lifestyle from a glance at me body shape. Never assume a fat person is unhealthy or a slim person is healthy based solely on their body appearance. You may not as yet be able to see the detrimental affect it is having on your body but assure you it is happening, day in, day out. You really don't need to make those judgements, its not necessary and you have no idea of the state of someone's health based on their body size. I disagree. As does the entire medical profession. Obesity kills. So does smoking, so does air pollution, so does driving, so does lots of things but you only seem concerned with weight. Unless you know someone's medical history you really don't get say who is healthy and who isn't as it comes across very judgemental and shaming. Oh, like judging people for not being vaccinated yet without knowing anything about them? Take the plank out of your own eye. Can you point to where iv said that please? I haven't judged anyone for not having the vaccine, I strongly think people should if they can but iv never said they shouldn't receive treatment or judged them for it. " Sorry, not accusing you, just pointing out those who did were living in glass houses and throwing stones. But stating that excess weight is detrimental to health, and a huge predictor of poor Covid outcome, is not a judgement, it is a neutral statement of fact. | |||
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"Have the vaccine I’ve had the virus and it wasn’t very nice knocked me out for about 4 weeks and then 6 months to fully get back to normal. " Same for me had the virus, took me out for 4 weeks, flu like symptons then a long recovery over 6 months.. Now vaccinated.. | |||
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"This is crazy but true..i know a lady who got the virus around Xmas... was bad for 4 weeks.. her teeth are now going grey they are dying..root canals may fix them. Dentist says her blood was so bad due the covid it caused this nightmare. " I've heard things about Covid changing the blood and blood texture | |||
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"This is crazy but true..i know a lady who got the virus around Xmas... was bad for 4 weeks.. her teeth are now going grey they are dying..root canals may fix them. Dentist says her blood was so bad due the covid it caused this nightmare. " We have a friend who also have covid at Christmas and has issues with his teeth and gums but he was on a ventilator so thought it might be to with that. | |||
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"I disagree with the starting statement: 'The virus has been honed by evolution to be moderately effective at taking over as many cells in your body as possible'. The virus evolved to infect another species, likely bats. It has escaped into humans and neither we as hosts nor the virus as guests have evolved to accommodate each other. I also disagree with the binary nature of your options: 'Your options are to either (a) take the vaccine, (b) get the virus, or (c) wear a mask and stay away from other people for the rest of your life.' These are not mutually exclusive. You can be infected with or without vaccination. And if new resistant strains appear, you will need to wear a mask regardless of previous infection or vaccination." | |||
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"So people who don't want the vaccine have chosen so purely because of an irrational fear of it?" No, they have chosen to do their own research and listen to the top vaccine Dr's and specialists who have been banned by mainstream media. Yes we have a real fear of the experimental injection but it's not irrational. | |||
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"Proven that vaccine is working even again the new variant. If people can't for some reason have the vaccine fair enough, but if they just can't be bothered then they aren't bothered protecting themselves or others" I wouldn't say they can't be bothered but are more concerned, and their concerns are very well founded. | |||
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"Have the vaccine I’ve had the virus and it wasn’t very nice knocked me out for about 4 weeks and then 6 months to fully get back to normal. " Is this normal for a vaccine, are any of these reactions normal after taking a vaccine? | |||
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"Get the virus
isn't this bit selfish?
Why is it selfish? If someone gets it and isolates as they are supposed to then no harm to anyone else.
IF...
What IF they get the virus and are asymptomatic...Passing it on to a a few people? You do realise that if you pass it on to a handful of people they will in turn pass it on to a handful? Within a matter of weeks you have indirectly infected hundreds of people resulting in deaths...
Selfish? Yes."Can you tell me the current daily death rate please? | |||
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"For all of you choosing to have the virus. What if the question was regarding the flu. Would you choose to have the flu or have the flu vaccine ?" Flu everytime | |||
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"What makes me laugh is people refuse to have the vaccine and yet put all sorts of chemicals inside their bodies anyway. And anyway for people who refuse the vaccine unless for a valid reason i.e medical then if they get covid I dont think they deserve to get treated." Have you had your preventative anti cancer treatment yet? Yes that's where it leads to. | |||
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"So people who don't want the vaccine have chosen so purely because of an irrational fear of it? No, they have chosen to do their own research and listen to the top vaccine Dr's and specialists who have been banned by mainstream media. Yes we have a real fear of the experimental injection but it's not irrational. " I have never read a more stinking pile of bullshit in my life. And I've read two books by Lord Archer. Source, please....peer reviewed published papers.... | |||
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"Get the virus
isn't this bit selfish?
Why is it selfish? If someone gets it and isolates as they are supposed to then no harm to anyone else.
IF...
What IF they get the virus and are asymptomatic...Passing it on to a a few people? You do realise that if you pass it on to a handful of people they will in turn pass it on to a handful? Within a matter of weeks you have indirectly infected hundreds of people resulting in deaths...
Selfish? Yes."How can this be if we are all doing lateral flow tests I do mine every 3rd day for me and for you ware a mask etc | |||
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"Get the virus
isn't this bit selfish?
Why is it selfish? If someone gets it and isolates as they are supposed to then no harm to anyone else.
IF...
What IF they get the virus and are asymptomatic...Passing it on to a a few people? You do realise that if you pass it on to a handful of people they will in turn pass it on to a handful? Within a matter of weeks you have indirectly infected hundreds of people resulting in deaths...
Selfish? Yes.
How can this be if we are all doing lateral flow tests I do mine every 3rd day for me and for you ware a mask etc "But you could just have the vaccine and contribute to lessening the time we have to do lft's and wear masks. The risks involved in having the vaccines are very low. | |||
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" Your options are to either (a) take the vaccine, (b) get the virus, or (c) wear a mask and stay away from other people for the rest of your life. Please reply a, b, or c. For bonus points, you may provide a short rationale fro your decision." (a) : Done (c) : Work in progress | |||
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"A not-so-hypothetical: You are offered a choice, you can take the vaccine or get the virus, which do you do? The virus has been honed by evolution to be moderately effective at taking over as many cells in your body as possible, converting them into factories to make more virus, and then exploding them when done. Given a free run, the virus would convert your entire body mass into grey goo within a few weeks. The virus has run into some level of resistance from the pesky human immune system, but generally virus trials are going well with about 4 million humans killed over a 16 month period. A small number of humans have managed to die in vehicle accidents some time after being infected by the virus, but the virus does not take any credit for these deaths. The vaccine has been designed by very clever humans to be moderately effective at protecting against the virus. It has a strictly limited operation, a fixed amount is injected and it does not self replicate. The vaccine does the equivalent of going around cells handing out an information leaflet with a photo of the virus to the security guard on each cell door, warning that this is a nasty one that should not be allowed in. The vaccine has run into some level of resistance from people with irrational fears, but generally vaccine trials are going well with many reports of a sore arm for a couple of days, a smaller number of more serious symptoms that have taken a week or two to recover from, and a tiny number of deaths that might be attributable to vaccine but are more likely to be caused by virus that has sneaked past the cell guards before they have been fully briefed. A small number of humans have managed to die in vehicle accidents some time after being treated with the vaccine, but the vaccine is probably not related to these deaths. Your options are to either (a) take the vaccine, (b) get the virus, or (c) wear a mask and stay away from other people for the rest of your life. Please reply a, b, or c. For bonus points, you may provide a short rationale fro your decision." Who say's it's a given you'll have covid  | |||
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"Haha both options require you to wear a mask and stay away from people. Remember what we were told. Take the vaccine and we will be back to normal. Now we find out that the vaccine may help reduce the effects of covid. Covid that you have a 98. Whatever chance of recovering from. The vaccine does not stop the spread of the virus. People's side affects are not being listened to. They are being laughed at and belittled. My father took both shots and he has been struggling.. Whoops does that make me antivax? Seems to in a lot of people's eyes. And with varients, how many jabs of experimental drugs will we be made to take? What if you are on powerful medication like ms drugs which alter the immune system already? Who tested these drugs in this situation? Just an example. The problem is we have an untrust worthy government who has an agenda to get people vaccinated regardless of costs so that they remain popular. This government and the need for factual health information do not mix... Now they are pushing for the kids to have it. Seriously when will people wake up? " The best comment I've seen on this thread....wonder how long it'll be for someone to label you antivax.. | |||
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"Haha both options require you to wear a mask and stay away from people. Remember what we were told. Take the vaccine and we will be back to normal. Now we find out that the vaccine may help reduce the effects of covid. Covid that you have a 98. Whatever chance of recovering from. The vaccine does not stop the spread of the virus. People's side affects are not being listened to. They are being laughed at and belittled. My father took both shots and he has been struggling.. Whoops does that make me antivax? Seems to in a lot of people's eyes. And with varients, how many jabs of experimental drugs will we be made to take? What if you are on powerful medication like ms drugs which alter the immune system already? Who tested these drugs in this situation? Just an example. The problem is we have an untrust worthy government who has an agenda to get people vaccinated regardless of costs so that they remain popular. This government and the need for factual health information do not mix... Now they are pushing for the kids to have it. Seriously when will people wake up? The best comment I've seen on this thread....wonder how long it'll be for someone to label you antivax.." I'm not anti vax. However I'm anti bully and pro choice and it seems that if you don't follow the narrative or speak out against the narrative you get a barrage of bile and abuse back. | |||
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"Aaaaaand the Darwin Awardgoes to..... " goes to who...its rude not to name award winners | |||
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"Wow. Here was me thinking that immunity to the virus was the best protection against the virus. Huh. Silly me." Correct. However We don't have immunity. Sadly these vaccines will offer some increased protection from the effects of the virus. It does not stop us picking it up and spreading it. | |||
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"This is crazy but true..i know a lady who got the virus around Xmas... was bad for 4 weeks.. her teeth are now going grey they are dying..root canals may fix them. Dentist says her blood was so bad due the covid it caused this nightmare. I've heard things about Covid changing the blood and blood texture" OK this is a post that caught my attention. Please note the word heard and things. I have heard things about covid and the vaccine too. The issue is the narrative is such that this comment about blood will not be questioned, because its about the effects of covid. However replace covid with the word vaccine, and watch the reaction. | |||
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"A not-so-hypothetical: You are offered a choice, you can take the vaccine or get the virus, which do you do? The virus has been honed by evolution to be moderately effective at taking over as many cells in your body as possible, converting them into factories to make more virus, and then exploding them when done. Given a free run, the virus would convert your entire body mass into grey goo within a few weeks. The virus has run into some level of resistance from the pesky human immune system, but generally virus trials are going well with about 4 million humans killed over a 16 month period. A small number of humans have managed to die in vehicle accidents some time after being infected by the virus, but the virus does not take any credit for these deaths. The vaccine has been designed by very clever humans to be moderately effective at protecting against the virus. It has a strictly limited operation, a fixed amount is injected and it does not self replicate. The vaccine does the equivalent of going around cells handing out an information leaflet with a photo of the virus to the security guard on each cell door, warning that this is a nasty one that should not be allowed in. The vaccine has run into some level of resistance from people with irrational fears, but generally vaccine trials are going well with many reports of a sore arm for a couple of days, a smaller number of more serious symptoms that have taken a week or two to recover from, and a tiny number of deaths that might be attributable to vaccine but are more likely to be caused by virus that has sneaked past the cell guards before they have been fully briefed. A small number of humans have managed to die in vehicle accidents some time after being treated with the vaccine, but the vaccine is probably not related to these deaths. Your options are to either (a) take the vaccine, (b) get the virus, or (c) wear a mask and stay away from other people for the rest of your life. Please reply a, b, or c. For bonus points, you may provide a short rationale fro your decision." Use common sense , think about your elderly , dont be selfish = A | |||
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"This is crazy but true..i know a lady who got the virus around Xmas... was bad for 4 weeks.. her teeth are now going grey they are dying..root canals may fix them. Dentist says her blood was so bad due the covid it caused this nightmare. I've heard things about Covid changing the blood and blood texture OK this is a post that caught my attention. Please note the word heard and things. I have heard things about covid and the vaccine too. The issue is the narrative is such that this comment about blood will not be questioned, because its about the effects of covid. However replace covid with the word vaccine, and watch the reaction. " I'm sorry my wording gets your attention. I have heard = I have read credible material, but not enough that I feel confident enough to understand/communicate clearly, or from a multitude of sources. I don't mean I heard it down the pub | |||
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"Wow. Here was me thinking that immunity to the virus was the best protection against the virus. Huh. Silly me. Correct. However We don't have immunity. Sadly these vaccines will offer some increased protection from the effects of the virus. It does not stop us picking it up and spreading it. " Why sadly? Surely any protection is better than none? It has been shown to reduce transmission so yes, to a certain degree it does reduce the chance of spreading it. | |||
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"This is crazy but true..i know a lady who got the virus around Xmas... was bad for 4 weeks.. her teeth are now going grey they are dying..root canals may fix them. Dentist says her blood was so bad due the covid it caused this nightmare. I've heard things about Covid changing the blood and blood texture OK this is a post that caught my attention. Please note the word heard and things. I have heard things about covid and the vaccine too. The issue is the narrative is such that this comment about blood will not be questioned, because its about the effects of covid. However replace covid with the word vaccine, and watch the reaction. I'm sorry my wording gets your attention. I have heard = I have read credible material, but not enough that I feel confident enough to understand/communicate clearly, or from a multitude of sources. I don't mean I heard it down the pub" I'm glad you have credible sources. As do people on both sides of this debate. | |||
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"Get the virus
isn't this bit selfish?
Why is it selfish? If someone gets it and isolates as they are supposed to then no harm to anyone else. "But they don't.. That's the problem.. Same as people in the new high risk areas are still travelling .. They dont think about anyone else | |||
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" I am playing devils advocate here because I think it is right to challenge black & white thinking when the reality is there are shades of grey in everything in life. There is a difference between those who have concerns and are vaccine hesitant and those who believe varying levels of conspiracy theory and are anti-vax. I think people have absolutely every right to be cautious and ask for more information to reassure them about safety. There is no data (nor can there be) on possible long term health issues/side effects. That scares some people. Perhaps by having a little more sympathy and understanding for that group and providing positive encouragement, it might help people rather than further alienating them and ultimately entrenching worries. As for anti vax gang, I agree. Nutters!" Things are grey... My sister was put by family on lockdown before the official announcement last March. With mussing organs we discussed and felt it better. Although i gave seen her we haven't hugged. Her DIL drops food and the only trips she has done have been 4 hospital appointments. Now my sister is not anti vax but does want more information about which vaccine may be better / cause her least issues etc... Not it too much to ask The only response she has so far had is... "Well if you get ill we will treat you" ??. Well if anything much starts failing she'd be up shit creek without a paddle... I cant blame her for staying put waiting a while longer... | |||
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" I am playing devils advocate here because I think it is right to challenge black & white thinking when the reality is there are shades of grey in everything in life. There is a difference between those who have concerns and are vaccine hesitant and those who believe varying levels of conspiracy theory and are anti-vax. I think people have absolutely every right to be cautious and ask for more information to reassure them about safety. There is no data (nor can there be) on possible long term health issues/side effects. That scares some people. Perhaps by having a little more sympathy and understanding for that group and providing positive encouragement, it might help people rather than further alienating them and ultimately entrenching worries. As for anti vax gang, I agree. Nutters! Things are grey... My sister was put by family on lockdown before the official announcement last March. With mussing organs we discussed and felt it better. Although i gave seen her we haven't hugged. Her DIL drops food and the only trips she has done have been 4 hospital appointments. Now my sister is not anti vax but does want more information about which vaccine may be better / cause her least issues etc... Not it too much to ask The only response she has so far had is... "Well if you get ill we will treat you" ??. Well if anything much starts failing she'd be up shit creek without a paddle... I cant blame her for staying put waiting a while longer... " Oh that's so frustrating. I hate it when medical professionals won't treat you like an adult. | |||
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" I am playing devils advocate here because I think it is right to challenge black & white thinking when the reality is there are shades of grey in everything in life. There is a difference between those who have concerns and are vaccine hesitant and those who believe varying levels of conspiracy theory and are anti-vax. I think people have absolutely every right to be cautious and ask for more information to reassure them about safety. There is no data (nor can there be) on possible long term health issues/side effects. That scares some people. Perhaps by having a little more sympathy and understanding for that group and providing positive encouragement, it might help people rather than further alienating them and ultimately entrenching worries. As for anti vax gang, I agree. Nutters! Things are grey... My sister was put by family on lockdown before the official announcement last March. With mussing organs we discussed and felt it better. Although i gave seen her we haven't hugged. Her DIL drops food and the only trips she has done have been 4 hospital appointments. Now my sister is not anti vax but does want more information about which vaccine may be better / cause her least issues etc... Not it too much to ask The only response she has so far had is... "Well if you get ill we will treat you" ??. Well if anything much starts failing she'd be up shit creek without a paddle... I cant blame her for staying put waiting a while longer... " This is an totally valid reason for delaying vaccination until further information is available relating to best selection of vaccine for medically vulnerable and/or immunosuppressed individuals. For some people the answer may be that it will never be safe and/or effective to be vaccinated against covid, for exactly the same reasons that it is not safe and/or effective for some people to be administered other types of vaccines. Not due to any intrinsic fault with vaccines, just that for these people any type of vaccine is not a suitable treatment. And it is because there will be some individuals in society who _cannot_ be vaccinated, even though they wish that they could, that it is beholden upon as many other people as possible to do what they can to reduce the prevalence of covid (and other diseases) in the population. I very much hope that the current vaccination programme does turn out to be effective enough, and has sufficient population uptake across all necessary age groups, such that herd immunity action reduces the levels of infection and it will be possible for your sister to venture out once more. | |||
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" I am playing devils advocate here because I think it is right to challenge black & white thinking when the reality is there are shades of grey in everything in life. There is a difference between those who have concerns and are vaccine hesitant and those who believe varying levels of conspiracy theory and are anti-vax. I think people have absolutely every right to be cautious and ask for more information to reassure them about safety. There is no data (nor can there be) on possible long term health issues/side effects. That scares some people. Perhaps by having a little more sympathy and understanding for that group and providing positive encouragement, it might help people rather than further alienating them and ultimately entrenching worries. As for anti vax gang, I agree. Nutters! Things are grey... My sister was put by family on lockdown before the official announcement last March. With mussing organs we discussed and felt it better. Although i gave seen her we haven't hugged. Her DIL drops food and the only trips she has done have been 4 hospital appointments. Now my sister is not anti vax but does want more information about which vaccine may be better / cause her least issues etc... Not it too much to ask The only response she has so far had is... "Well if you get ill we will treat you" ??. Well if anything much starts failing she'd be up shit creek without a paddle... I cant blame her for staying put waiting a while longer... This is an totally valid reason for delaying vaccination until further information is available relating to best selection of vaccine for medically vulnerable and/or immunosuppressed individuals. For some people the answer may be that it will never be safe and/or effective to be vaccinated against covid, for exactly the same reasons that it is not safe and/or effective for some people to be administered other types of vaccines. Not due to any intrinsic fault with vaccines, just that for these people any type of vaccine is not a suitable treatment. And it is because there will be some individuals in society who _cannot_ be vaccinated, even though they wish that they could, that it is beholden upon as many other people as possible to do what they can to reduce the prevalence of covid (and other diseases) in the population. I very much hope that the current vaccination programme does turn out to be effective enough, and has sufficient population uptake across all necessary age groups, such that herd immunity action reduces the levels of infection and it will be possible for your sister to venture out once more." | |||
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"Vaccine. I trust human ingenuity and the track record of medical safety is exemplary (not perfect, but better than the alternative). And eventually even I'll crack being at home all the time." In the 1940's thousands of prisoners were subjected to horrific medical experiments by the hands of Nazi doctors. When WWII ended, allied forces conducted the Nuremberg trials from which they established the Nuremberg Code, one of the most significant documents in the medical field today. There are NO licenced Covid-19 vaccines today. They have only been apporived as Emergency Use Authorisation (EUAs) only which means it's A TRIAL. Do you know about Antibody Dependant Enhancement or Pathogenic Priming ?. In 2005 they came up with a vaccine for SarsCov1 and they gave it to healthy ferrets (2doses) and the ferrets did fine. BUT when they were released into the wild and they exposed them to SarsCov1, they all died and the vaccine never came to market. Approval does not mean licenced. In 2002 there was SarsCov1 which is 78% identical to SarsCov2. The concern about Antibody Dependant Enhancement potential is if you give the vaccine to healthy people & they get Pathogen Priming, if you then expose them to the virus, they are putting themselves at risk of death from the virus which ordinarily they would fought off with their immune system. We don't know what might happen to people that have been vaccinated and only time will tell. Now you imagine giving these vaccines to healthy people like nurses, doctors, the police...its far too risky from a national security perspective. Having said that, if you still trust the track record of medical safety after reading this, then good luck but this is a scenario which could play out and it would be ignorant for anyone to ignore this. | |||
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"For all of you choosing to have the virus. What if the question was regarding the flu. Would you choose to have the flu or have the flu vaccine ? I am fortunate to have a very strong immune system and have never had the flu jab, I rarely suffer even a normal cold. However, I have had both anti COVID jabs. Why? Because a very good friend of mine had an immune system like mine - strong and hardly ever ailed anything. She caught COVID and almost died. She now has long term covid. She caught COVID just a week before her first jab. I didn't want to be in that situation so when I got the text offering me the jab I had no hesitation and took it. I just hope now that the Indian strain of the virus is gaining a small foothold up and down the country, that the refusers reconsider their stance and take the vaccine. If they don't, then that's their absolute right but if the choice boils down to living or dying then I'm sure people would prefer to live. " I understand 'the fear factor' out there and the reason why people don't hesitate when making their decision about the jab. However, the statistics show you have a 99.98 % survival rate if you get covid. Your chances of survival with the vaccine is far less. | |||
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"I am going for a 3rd option, non of them "Me too
Why can't people just be left to decide what's best for them whether it's a medical reason or not. Whatever happened to nobody should know you better than you know yourself.
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"Vaccine. I trust human ingenuity and the track record of medical safety is exemplary (not perfect, but better than the alternative). And eventually even I'll crack being at home all the time. In the 1940's thousands of prisoners were subjected to horrific medical experiments by the hands of Nazi doctors. When WWII ended, allied forces conducted the Nuremberg trials from which they established the Nuremberg Code, one of the most significant documents in the medical field today. There are NO licenced Covid-19 vaccines today. They have only been apporived as Emergency Use Authorisation (EUAs) only which means it's A TRIAL. Do you know about Antibody Dependant Enhancement or Pathogenic Priming ?. In 2005 they came up with a vaccine for SarsCov1 and they gave it to healthy ferrets (2doses) and the ferrets did fine. BUT when they were released into the wild and they exposed them to SarsCov1, they all died and the vaccine never came to market. Approval does not mean licenced. In 2002 there was SarsCov1 which is 78% identical to SarsCov2. The concern about Antibody Dependant Enhancement potential is if you give the vaccine to healthy people & they get Pathogen Priming, if you then expose them to the virus, they are putting themselves at risk of death from the virus which ordinarily they would fought off with their immune system. We don't know what might happen to people that have been vaccinated and only time will tell. Now you imagine giving these vaccines to healthy people like nurses, doctors, the police...its far too risky from a national security perspective. Having said that, if you still trust the track record of medical safety after reading this, then good luck but this is a scenario which could play out and it would be ignorant for anyone to ignore this. " This is a load of rubbish | |||
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Me too
Why can't people just be left to decide what's best for them whether it's a medical reason or not. Whatever happened to nobody should know you better than you know yourself.
I wouldn't try tell someone take it or not its entirely their choice xx "Completely agree. This should not be about vaccinated people thinking the unvaxxed people are selfish for not getting the jab. Everyones circumstances are different and we should all respect the decisions people make whether they decide to get the jab or not ! | |||
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"I am going for a 3rd option, non of them
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Why can't people just be left to decide what's best for them whether it's a medical reason or not. Whatever happened to nobody should know you better than you know yourself.
I wouldn't try tell someone take it or not its entirely their choice xx
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"Vaccine. I trust human ingenuity and the track record of medical safety is exemplary (not perfect, but better than the alternative). And eventually even I'll crack being at home all the time. In the 1940's thousands of prisoners were subjected to horrific medical experiments by the hands of Nazi doctors. When WWII ended, allied forces conducted the Nuremberg trials from which they established the Nuremberg Code, one of the most significant documents in the medical field today. There are NO licenced Covid-19 vaccines today. They have only been apporived as Emergency Use Authorisation (EUAs) only which means it's A TRIAL. Do you know about Antibody Dependant Enhancement or Pathogenic Priming ?. In 2005 they came up with a vaccine for SarsCov1 and they gave it to healthy ferrets (2doses) and the ferrets did fine. BUT when they were released into the wild and they exposed them to SarsCov1, they all died and the vaccine never came to market. Approval does not mean licenced. In 2002 there was SarsCov1 which is 78% identical to SarsCov2. The concern about Antibody Dependant Enhancement potential is if you give the vaccine to healthy people & they get Pathogen Priming, if you then expose them to the virus, they are putting themselves at risk of death from the virus which ordinarily they would fought off with their immune system. We don't know what might happen to people that have been vaccinated and only time will tell. Now you imagine giving these vaccines to healthy people like nurses, doctors, the police...its far too risky from a national security perspective. Having said that, if you still trust the track record of medical safety after reading this, then good luck but this is a scenario which could play out and it would be ignorant for anyone to ignore this. This is a load of rubbish" One feels that you're out of your depth on this one. | |||
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"For those who chose virus, your viral sample is now winging its way towards you from India. The April deliveries were primarily satisfied by our Brazilian subsidiary, but for May we have a new improved version specially cultivated in our Mumbai melting pot. Please take good care of your virus sample and follow the enclosed instruction leaflet for maximum benefit. "I’ll take the South African one thanks - you know the one that came first and was going to cripple us all at New Year. Turned out to be so bad South Africa is now carrying on as normal while we’re scratching around looking for new variants to justify this insanity | |||
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"Vaccine. I trust human ingenuity and the track record of medical safety is exemplary (not perfect, but better than the alternative). And eventually even I'll crack being at home all the time. In the 1940's thousands of prisoners were subjected to horrific medical experiments by the hands of Nazi doctors. When WWII ended, allied forces conducted the Nuremberg trials from which they established the Nuremberg Code, one of the most significant documents in the medical field today. There are NO licenced Covid-19 vaccines today. They have only been apporived as Emergency Use Authorisation (EUAs) only which means it's A TRIAL. Do you know about Antibody Dependant Enhancement or Pathogenic Priming ?. In 2005 they came up with a vaccine for SarsCov1 and they gave it to healthy ferrets (2doses) and the ferrets did fine. BUT when they were released into the wild and they exposed them to SarsCov1, they all died and the vaccine never came to market. Approval does not mean licenced. In 2002 there was SarsCov1 which is 78% identical to SarsCov2. The concern about Antibody Dependant Enhancement potential is if you give the vaccine to healthy people & they get Pathogen Priming, if you then expose them to the virus, they are putting themselves at risk of death from the virus which ordinarily they would fought off with their immune system. We don't know what might happen to people that have been vaccinated and only time will tell. Now you imagine giving these vaccines to healthy people like nurses, doctors, the police...its far too risky from a national security perspective. Having said that, if you still trust the track record of medical safety after reading this, then good luck but this is a scenario which could play out and it would be ignorant for anyone to ignore this. This is a load of rubbish"
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"Proven that vaccine is working even again the new variant. If people can't for some reason have the vaccine fair enough, but if they just can't be bothered then they aren't bothered protecting themselves or others" Vaccines do not protect others,just like they dont fully protect the vaccinated. And they sure as hell dont protect the NHS. You chose to have the jab,thats your choice,but please stop the sanctimonious crap about being selfish as it just makes me sicker than the virus ever could. | |||
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"Get the virus
isn't this bit selfish?
Why is it selfish? If someone gets it and isolates as they are supposed to then no harm to anyone else.
IF...
What IF they get the virus and are asymptomatic...Passing it on to a a few people? You do realise that if you pass it on to a handful of people they will in turn pass it on to a handful? Within a matter of weeks you have indirectly infected hundreds of people resulting in deaths...
Selfish? Yes."Asymptomatic BS,,if you havent any signs of it,then you aint got it. | |||
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"Get the virus
isn't this bit selfish?
Why is it selfish? If someone gets it and isolates as they are supposed to then no harm to anyone else.
IF...
What IF they get the virus and are asymptomatic...Passing it on to a a few people? You do realise that if you pass it on to a handful of people they will in turn pass it on to a handful? Within a matter of weeks you have indirectly infected hundreds of people resulting in deaths...
Selfish? Yes.
Asymptomatic BS,,if you havent any signs of it,then you aint got it."Are you sure about that last statement? 
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"Vaccine. I trust human ingenuity and the track record of medical safety is exemplary (not perfect, but better than the alternative). And eventually even I'll crack being at home all the time. In the 1940's thousands of prisoners were subjected to horrific medical experiments by the hands of Nazi doctors. When WWII ended, allied forces conducted the Nuremberg trials from which they established the Nuremberg Code, one of the most significant documents in the medical field today. There are NO licenced Covid-19 vaccines today. They have only been apporived as Emergency Use Authorisation (EUAs) only which means it's A TRIAL. Do you know about Antibody Dependant Enhancement or Pathogenic Priming ?. In 2005 they came up with a vaccine for SarsCov1 and they gave it to healthy ferrets (2doses) and the ferrets did fine. BUT when they were released into the wild and they exposed them to SarsCov1, they all died and the vaccine never came to market. Approval does not mean licenced. In 2002 there was SarsCov1 which is 78% identical to SarsCov2. The concern about Antibody Dependant Enhancement potential is if you give the vaccine to healthy people & they get Pathogen Priming, if you then expose them to the virus, they are putting themselves at risk of death from the virus which ordinarily they would fought off with their immune system. We don't know what might happen to people that have been vaccinated and only time will tell. Now you imagine giving these vaccines to healthy people like nurses, doctors, the police...its far too risky from a national security perspective. Having said that, if you still trust the track record of medical safety after reading this, then good luck but this is a scenario which could play out and it would be ignorant for anyone to ignore this. " Cool story..  | |||
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"Vaccine. I trust human ingenuity and the track record of medical safety is exemplary (not perfect, but better than the alternative). And eventually even I'll crack being at home all the time. In the 1940's thousands of prisoners were subjected to horrific medical experiments by the hands of Nazi doctors. When WWII ended, allied forces conducted the Nuremberg trials from which they established the Nuremberg Code, one of the most significant documents in the medical field today. There are NO licenced Covid-19 vaccines today. They have only been apporived as Emergency Use Authorisation (EUAs) only which means it's A TRIAL. Do you know about Antibody Dependant Enhancement or Pathogenic Priming ?. In 2005 they came up with a vaccine for SarsCov1 and they gave it to healthy ferrets (2doses) and the ferrets did fine. BUT when they were released into the wild and they exposed them to SarsCov1, they all died and the vaccine never came to market. Approval does not mean licenced. In 2002 there was SarsCov1 which is 78% identical to SarsCov2. The concern about Antibody Dependant Enhancement potential is if you give the vaccine to healthy people & they get Pathogen Priming, if you then expose them to the virus, they are putting themselves at risk of death from the virus which ordinarily they would fought off with their immune system. We don't know what might happen to people that have been vaccinated and only time will tell. Now you imagine giving these vaccines to healthy people like nurses, doctors, the police...its far too risky from a national security perspective. Having said that, if you still trust the track record of medical safety after reading this, then good luck but this is a scenario which could play out and it would be ignorant for anyone to ignore this. This is a load of rubbish One feels that you're out of your depth on this one. " One feels that one cannot be bothered with all the things that are so far beyond wrong. | |||
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"Proven that vaccine is working even again the new variant. If people can't for some reason have the vaccine fair enough, but if they just can't be bothered then they aren't bothered protecting themselves or others Vaccines do not protect others,just like they dont fully protect the vaccinated. And they sure as hell dont protect the NHS. " You seem to have overlooked the evidence just a little  .
Of course vaccines help to protect others. Think of the Measles vaccine and immunity. Those unable to have it, as well as others, have been protected by herd immunity, when a sufficiently high percentage of the population has immunity. Recent outbreaks have occurred because antivax propaganda discouraged people from getting vaccinated. The covid vaccines help to reduce infectivity, supporting fewer people getting infected.
The NHS is protected, due to the lower levels of infectivity and reductions in illness severity and deaths, which would have required NHS resources to support patients. Reduced impacts on the NHS allows it to operate more normally, increasing its effectiveness for treating other conditions etc. | |||
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"Vaccine. I trust human ingenuity and the track record of medical safety is exemplary (not perfect, but better than the alternative). And eventually even I'll crack being at home all the time. In the 1940's thousands of prisoners were subjected to horrific medical experiments by the hands of Nazi doctors. When WWII ended, allied forces conducted the Nuremberg trials from which they established the Nuremberg Code, one of the most significant documents in the medical field today. There are NO licenced Covid-19 vaccines today. They have only been apporived as Emergency Use Authorisation (EUAs) only which means it's A TRIAL. Do you know about Antibody Dependant Enhancement or Pathogenic Priming ?. In 2005 they came up with a vaccine for SarsCov1 and they gave it to healthy ferrets (2doses) and the ferrets did fine. BUT when they were released into the wild and they exposed them to SarsCov1, they all died and the vaccine never came to market. Approval does not mean licenced. In 2002 there was SarsCov1 which is 78% identical to SarsCov2. The concern about Antibody Dependant Enhancement potential is if you give the vaccine to healthy people & they get Pathogen Priming, if you then expose them to the virus, they are putting themselves at risk of death from the virus which ordinarily they would fought off with their immune system. We don't know what might happen to people that have been vaccinated and only time will tell. Now you imagine giving these vaccines to healthy people like nurses, doctors, the police...its far too risky from a national security perspective. Having said that, if you still trust the track record of medical safety after reading this, then good luck but this is a scenario which could play out and it would be ignorant for anyone to ignore this. This is a load of rubbish One feels that you're out of your depth on this one. One feels that one cannot be bothered with all the things that are so far beyond wrong." Oh we all know you can't be bothered...that's why you're so in the dark on the subject. | |||
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"Vaccine. I trust human ingenuity and the track record of medical safety is exemplary (not perfect, but better than the alternative). And eventually even I'll crack being at home all the time. In the 1940's thousands of prisoners were subjected to horrific medical experiments by the hands of Nazi doctors. When WWII ended, allied forces conducted the Nuremberg trials from which they established the Nuremberg Code, one of the most significant documents in the medical field today. There are NO licenced Covid-19 vaccines today. They have only been apporived as Emergency Use Authorisation (EUAs) only which means it's A TRIAL. Do you know about Antibody Dependant Enhancement or Pathogenic Priming ?. In 2005 they came up with a vaccine for SarsCov1 and they gave it to healthy ferrets (2doses) and the ferrets did fine. BUT when they were released into the wild and they exposed them to SarsCov1, they all died and the vaccine never came to market. Approval does not mean licenced. In 2002 there was SarsCov1 which is 78% identical to SarsCov2. The concern about Antibody Dependant Enhancement potential is if you give the vaccine to healthy people & they get Pathogen Priming, if you then expose them to the virus, they are putting themselves at risk of death from the virus which ordinarily they would fought off with their immune system. We don't know what might happen to people that have been vaccinated and only time will tell. Now you imagine giving these vaccines to healthy people like nurses, doctors, the police...its far too risky from a national security perspective. Having said that, if you still trust the track record of medical safety after reading this, then good luck but this is a scenario which could play out and it would be ignorant for anyone to ignore this. This is a load of rubbish One feels that you're out of your depth on this one. One feels that one cannot be bothered with all the things that are so far beyond wrong. Oh we all know you can't be bothered...that's why you're so in the dark on the subject." Ok | |||
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"Vaccine. I trust human ingenuity and the track record of medical safety is exemplary (not perfect, but better than the alternative). And eventually even I'll crack being at home all the time. In the 1940's thousands of prisoners were subjected to horrific medical experiments by the hands of Nazi doctors. When WWII ended, allied forces conducted the Nuremberg trials from which they established the Nuremberg Code, one of the most significant documents in the medical field today. There are NO licenced Covid-19 vaccines today. They have only been apporived as Emergency Use Authorisation (EUAs) only which means it's A TRIAL. Do you know about Antibody Dependant Enhancement or Pathogenic Priming ?. In 2005 they came up with a vaccine for SarsCov1 and they gave it to healthy ferrets (2doses) and the ferrets did fine. BUT when they were released into the wild and they exposed them to SarsCov1, they all died and the vaccine never came to market. Approval does not mean licenced. In 2002 there was SarsCov1 which is 78% identical to SarsCov2. The concern about Antibody Dependant Enhancement potential is if you give the vaccine to healthy people & they get Pathogen Priming, if you then expose them to the virus, they are putting themselves at risk of death from the virus which ordinarily they would fought off with their immune system. We don't know what might happen to people that have been vaccinated and only time will tell. Now you imagine giving these vaccines to healthy people like nurses, doctors, the police...its far too risky from a national security perspective. Having said that, if you still trust the track record of medical safety after reading this, then good luck but this is a scenario which could play out and it would be ignorant for anyone to ignore this. This is a load of rubbish
Cobbled together hogwash "Yet another one that's out of their depth on the subject. Research everything I've written here and report back. | |||
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"For those who chose virus, your viral sample is now winging its way towards you from India. The April deliveries were primarily satisfied by our Brazilian subsidiary, but for May we have a new improved version specially cultivated in our Mumbai melting pot. Please take good care of your virus sample and follow the enclosed instruction leaflet for maximum benefit.
I’ll take the South African one thanks - you know the one that came first and was going to cripple us all at New Year. Turned out to be so bad South Africa is now carrying on as normal while we’re scratching around looking for new variants to justify this insanity "^this^ Finally someone who isn’t blinkered . | |||
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"Vaccine, no brainer." Virus is the no brainer..... If you have a brain you'd def opt for the vaccine | |||
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"Proven that vaccine is working even again the new variant. If people can't for some reason have the vaccine fair enough, but if they just can't be bothered then they aren't bothered protecting themselves or others Vaccines do not protect others,just like they dont fully protect the vaccinated. And they sure as hell dont protect the NHS. You chose to have the jab,thats your choice,but please stop the sanctimonious crap about being selfish as it just makes me sicker than the virus ever could." it is your choice not to have the vaccine but it is working and does protect others. However as long as people are testing regularly and will isolate if they find they have the virus ( as 1 in 3 i think it is have no symptoms) then I dont think its selfish not to have it. However for me the right decision was to have the vaccine.. Although I'd have had to for my job anyway. | |||
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"Virus. " virus with you lol | |||
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"Proven that vaccine is working even again the new variant. If people can't for some reason have the vaccine fair enough, but if they just can't be bothered then they aren't bothered protecting themselves or others Vaccines do not protect others,just like they dont fully protect the vaccinated. And they sure as hell dont protect the NHS. You chose to have the jab,thats your choice,but please stop the sanctimonious crap about being selfish as it just makes me sicker than the virus ever could. it is your choice not to have the vaccine but it is working and does protect others. However as long as people are testing regularly and will isolate if they find they have the virus ( as 1 in 3 i think it is have no symptoms) then I dont think its selfish not to have it. However for me the right decision was to have the vaccine.. Although I'd have had to for my job anyway. " | |||
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