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Just a quick question, I couldn’t find too much out on the net.
If an employer found out that one of his office workforce attended an anti covid rally could they suspend them for breaking covid guidelines which could effect their colleagues ? Or because it happened outside of work is it not something that’s enforceable |
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I would have thought that political activity would be protected.
But I think that a lot of these questions are subject to change at the moment, given the nearly unprecedented situation.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Can't see it being enforceable but there is likely to be a lot of potential employment issues as people return to work after lockdown.
Some employers are talking about insisting that all employees are vaccinated.
On the specific point you raised it may be best approach from a Health and Safety perspective but I would think that any formal action would be questionable. |
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"Just a quick question, I couldn’t find too much out on the net.
If an employer found out that one of his office workforce attended an anti covid rally could they suspend them for breaking covid guidelines which could effect their colleagues ? Or because it happened outside of work is it not something that’s enforceable "
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I think that if you are taking personal action that is (a) illegal and (b) puts you at risk of carrying a dangerous disease into your place of employment, it matters not one jot that you went to the rally in your own time. You are deliberately choosing to put your colleagues at risk. You are deliberately choosing to put your employer at financial risk. After the last year of economic difficulty for all, the possibility of multiple employees becoming sick and having to be paid sick leave could be the last straw to push your company over the brink. If you work in any public facing role, you are deliberately choosing to put members of the public at risk.
I know that at the small company where I work, in the event of even a couple of the key workers ending up with long covid, the doors would almost certainly close for good.
At the very least you should be removed from the workplace until you have test results showing that you are no longer a danger. Given that this was self-imposed deliberate action to put others at risk, it would not be unreasonable to expect salary to be suspended until your were again safe to be allowed into your place of employment. I would also expect many of your colleagues to be rather resentful to the selfish cunt that was deliberately putting their lives at risk. |
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"I think that if you are taking personal action that is (a) illegal and (b) puts you at risk of carrying a dangerous disease into your place of employment, it matters not one jot that you went to the rally in your own time. You are deliberately choosing to put your colleagues at risk. You are deliberately choosing to put your employer at financial risk. After the last year of economic difficulty for all, the possibility of multiple employees becoming sick and having to be paid sick leave could be the last straw to push your company over the brink. If you work in any public facing role, you are deliberately choosing to put members of the public at risk.
I know that at the small company where I work, in the event of even a couple of the key workers ending up with long covid, the doors would almost certainly close for good.
At the very least you should be removed from the workplace until you have test results showing that you are no longer a danger. Given that this was self-imposed deliberate action to put others at risk, it would not be unreasonable to expect salary to be suspended until your were again safe to be allowed into your place of employment. I would also expect many of your colleagues to be rather resentful to the selfish cunt that was deliberately putting their lives at risk."
Oh just realised that you might well be the employer, or the person forced to sit at a desk next to the disease-ridden. In which case, my answer still stands in principle, but you have my greatest sympathies as being the one offended against, rather than being the offender. |
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"I think that if you are taking personal action that is (a) illegal and (b) puts you at risk of carrying a dangerous disease into your place of employment, it matters not one jot that you went to the rally in your own time. You are deliberately choosing to put your colleagues at risk. You are deliberately choosing to put your employer at financial risk. After the last year of economic difficulty for all, the possibility of multiple employees becoming sick and having to be paid sick leave could be the last straw to push your company over the brink. If you work in any public facing role, you are deliberately choosing to put members of the public at risk.
I know that at the small company where I work, in the event of even a couple of the key workers ending up with long covid, the doors would almost certainly close for good.
At the very least you should be removed from the workplace until you have test results showing that you are no longer a danger. Given that this was self-imposed deliberate action to put others at risk, it would not be unreasonable to expect salary to be suspended until your were again safe to be allowed into your place of employment. I would also expect many of your colleagues to be rather resentful to the selfish cunt that was deliberately putting their lives at risk."
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Just a quick question, I couldn’t find too much out on the net.
If an employer found out that one of his office workforce attended an anti covid rally could they suspend them for breaking covid guidelines which could effect their colleagues ? Or because it happened outside of work is it not something that’s enforceable "
Maybe thy cannot sack you for this but watch your back and forget any promotion.
If I was your boss I would find a way to get rid of you to be honest |
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By (user no longer on site)
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If you broke the law which you would be by breaching lockdown for non-essential travel (and no attending a lockdown protest doesn't count as essential travel) then yes they absolutely could under the rules against employees engaging in illegal activity that could bring the company into disrepute.
The anti-lockdown or political part is completely irrelevant. Companies are fully protected when discinplining employees who have broken the law whether in the course of their duties or their personal lives.
PS. I'm an employer myself so this isn't just a "my reckon", it's the cold hard facts. There's a lot of employee rights in this country but being able to break the law and expect conintuing employment guaranteed simply isn't included.
PPS. Not saying I'm not on your side. Anybody regardless of their opinions can and should fight for them to be heard but I'm just passing comment on what the law protects and doesn't. Sorry if it's not the answer you were hoping for x |
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"It cannot affect your job as the vaccine isn’t mandatory so you are within your right to protest"
If you knowingly put yourself in a position where you might be reasonably expected to understand any potential outcomes which could put you or your colleagues at risk then you (or they) could be on a sticky wicket..
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For those who're suggesting that people should be sacked for attending an anti-lockdown march due to the serious risks they impose upon others, do they think those countless thousands who've attended the dozens of marches held for other reasons in the last year ought to face such action also. They're a serious risk too aren't they? Where does this sort of nonsense stop? |
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"For those who're suggesting that people should be sacked for attending an anti-lockdown march due to the serious risks they impose upon others, do they think those countless thousands who've attended the dozens of marches held for other reasons in the last year ought to face such action also. They're a serious risk too aren't they? Where does this sort of nonsense stop? "
They are a risk
It's why I've not attended any protests |
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By *arry247Couple
over a year ago
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"Just a quick question, I couldn’t find too much out on the net.
If an employer found out that one of his office workforce attended an anti covid rally could they suspend them for breaking covid guidelines which could effect their colleagues ? Or because it happened outside of work is it not something that’s enforceable "
The employer might ask for a covid test before the employee returns to work as the have been in a potentially hazardous situation |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"For those who're suggesting that people should be sacked for attending an anti-lockdown march due to the serious risks they impose upon others, do they think those countless thousands who've attended the dozens of marches held for other reasons in the last year ought to face such action also. They're a serious risk too aren't they? Where does this sort of nonsense stop? "
I think most people would say if they didnt have the same favourite colour they should be sacked as well.
Some very judgemental people on here, no one knows if the op is the employer or not but calling for them to be sacked anyway  |
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"For those who're suggesting that people should be sacked for attending an anti-lockdown march due to the serious risks they impose upon others, do they think those countless thousands who've attended the dozens of marches held for other reasons in the last year ought to face such action also. They're a serious risk too aren't they? Where does this sort of nonsense stop?
I think most people would say if they didnt have the same favourite colour they should be sacked as well.
Some very judgemental people on here, no one knows if the op is the employer or not but calling for them to be sacked anyway "
If they are the employer they'd have an employment specialist/lawyer so wouldn't need to trawl a sex site for employee rights issues. |
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"Just a quick question, I couldn’t find too much out on the net.
If an employer found out that one of his office workforce attended an anti covid rally could they suspend them for breaking covid guidelines which could effect their colleagues ? Or because it happened outside of work is it not something that’s enforceable Maybe thy cannot sack you for this but watch your back and forget any promotion.
If I was your boss I would find a way to get rid of you to be honest "
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A number of years ago i worked for a well known high street bank and a number of employees were suspended and some sacked after a night out got out of habd and they ended up in the local papers. As previouslty mentioned for bringing the company into disrepute. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Having worked in HR I have carried out disciplinary proceedings for several issues occurring outside of work hours. If someone is putting their employer and/or the business at risk, whether it be reputationally, financially, physically or otherwise, then yes, disciplinary action can follow |
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"Just a quick question, I couldn’t find too much out on the net.
If an employer found out that one of his office workforce attended an anti covid rally could they suspend them for breaking covid guidelines which could effect their colleagues ? Or because it happened outside of work is it not something that’s enforceable "
They may wish to investigate if there is cause to suspect you broke the terms of your contract by engaging in an illegal activity. That being said not all protests/gatherings of more than 6 people are illegal if they are organised by the right people in the right way so they would have to have clear evidence that any wrong doing was done. Employment law and codes of practice make sure that any disciplinary action amd subsequent dismissal are fair. If these guidelines and laws are not followed there is a string case for an et.
I'd say its unlikely they will do anything but if you're concerned I'd get actual proper advice from a legal professional. |
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
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Breaking the law isn’t automatically a disciplinary but many companies have issued additional guidance about conduct during lockdown. Damaging a companies reputation may be disciplinary depends on the company, position and contract , normally only directors and C level have restrictions on social media use |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If you broke the law which you would be by breaching lockdown for non-essential travel (and no attending a lockdown protest doesn't count as essential travel) then yes they absolutely could under the rules against employees engaging in illegal activity that could bring the company into disrepute.
The anti-lockdown or political part is completely irrelevant. Companies are fully protected when discinplining employees who have broken the law whether in the course of their duties or their personal lives.
PS. I'm an employer myself so this isn't just a "my reckon", it's the cold hard facts. There's a lot of employee rights in this country but being able to break the law and expect conintuing employment guaranteed simply isn't included.
PPS. Not saying I'm not on your side. Anybody regardless of their opinions can and should fight for them to be heard but I'm just passing comment on what the law protects and doesn't. Sorry if it's not the answer you were hoping for x"
There is currently no law forbidding non essential travel.
There is also no law regarding social distancing or face masks outdoors. Guidance is not the law. |
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"It cannot affect your job as the vaccine isn’t mandatory so you are within your right to protest
What does the vaccine have to do with anything?"
Some companies are insisting that you get a vaccine, or you will not be welcome in the company.
Our company deals the H R and employment law, so it knows its stuff. Also we visit care homes, schools and residential premises, so the company is protecting their clients and us. |
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"It cannot affect your job as the vaccine isn’t mandatory so you are within your right to protest
What does the vaccine have to do with anything?
Some companies are insisting that you get a vaccine, or you will not be welcome in the company.
Our company deals the H R and employment law, so it knows its stuff. Also we visit care homes, schools and residential premises, so the company is protecting their clients and us."
The OP was about protests.
The vaccine is a separate question |
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"I think that if you are taking personal action that is (a) illegal and (b) puts you at risk of carrying a dangerous disease into your place of employment, it matters not one jot that you went to the rally in your own time. You are deliberately choosing to put your colleagues at risk. You are deliberately choosing to put your employer at financial risk. After the last year of economic difficulty for all, the possibility of multiple employees becoming sick and having to be paid sick leave could be the last straw to push your company over the brink. If you work in any public facing role, you are deliberately choosing to put members of the public at risk.
I know that at the small company where I work, in the event of even a couple of the key workers ending up with long covid, the doors would almost certainly close for good.
At the very least you should be removed from the workplace until you have test results showing that you are no longer a danger. Given that this was self-imposed deliberate action to put others at risk, it would not be unreasonable to expect salary to be suspended until your were again safe to be allowed into your place of employment. I would also expect many of your colleagues to be rather resentful to the selfish cunt that was deliberately putting their lives at risk."
See, you were doing quite well there except you cannot discipline or sack someone because they might or indeed do have long Covid. It a result of having Covid and as yet, nobody can point the finger at any individual or situation where they may have contracted Covid and the main point of it is, why go to all that writing and then smash your argument out of the window by such derogatory language. |
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By *inx_xxWoman
over a year ago
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This depends on your role and if you lied to your employer to attend (pulled a sicky)
As a general rule, you have the right to protest and believe in what you choose, however if you are representing the company or wearing company uniform then that's a different matter.
In addition.... Under 2 years service it really doesn't matter because they can sack you for any old rubbish they make up.
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"For those who're suggesting that people should be sacked for attending an anti-lockdown march due to the serious risks they impose upon others, do they think those countless thousands who've attended the dozens of marches held for other reasons in the last year ought to face such action also. They're a serious risk too aren't they? Where does this sort of nonsense stop?
I think most people would say if they didnt have the same favourite colour they should be sacked as well.
Some very judgemental people on here, no one knows if the op is the employer or not but calling for them to be sacked anyway
If they are the employer they'd have an employment specialist/lawyer so wouldn't need to trawl a sex site for employee rights issues."
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"Just a quick question, I couldn’t find too much out on the net.
If an employer found out that one of his office workforce attended an anti covid rally could they suspend them for breaking covid guidelines which could effect their colleagues ? Or because it happened outside of work is it not something that’s enforceable
The employer might ask for a covid test before the employee returns to work as the have been in a potentially hazardous situation"
Wonder if they'd have asked if they'd seen you on a BLM protest? |
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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago
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"Just a quick question, I couldn’t find too much out on the net.
If an employer found out that one of his office workforce attended an anti covid rally could they suspend them for breaking covid guidelines which could effect their colleagues ? Or because it happened outside of work is it not something that’s enforceable "
In general it would be you as an individual why you attended such a rally, was it you as a person to see what went on, or you because as a person to speculate still to make an opinion on things only you as a person could answer the correct question to this and explain the reason as everything has a reason behind it whether favourable or not but to understand people are entitled to learn and understand whether good or bad to make their own opinion on things |
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"I think that if you are taking personal action that is (a) illegal and (b) puts you at risk of carrying a dangerous disease into your place of employment, it matters not one jot that you went to the rally in your own time. You are deliberately choosing to put your colleagues at risk. You are deliberately choosing to put your employer at financial risk. After the last year of economic difficulty for all, the possibility of multiple employees becoming sick and having to be paid sick leave could be the last straw to push your company over the brink. If you work in any public facing role, you are deliberately choosing to put members of the public at risk.
I know that at the small company where I work, in the event of even a couple of the key workers ending up with long covid, the doors would almost certainly close for good.
At the very least you should be removed from the workplace until you have test results showing that you are no longer a danger. Given that this was self-imposed deliberate action to put others at risk, it would not be unreasonable to expect salary to be suspended until your were again safe to be allowed into your place of employment. I would also expect many of your colleagues to be rather resentful to the selfish cunt that was deliberately putting their lives at risk.
See, you were doing quite well there except you cannot discipline or sack someone because they might or indeed do have long Covid. It a result of having Covid and as yet, nobody can point the finger at any individual or situation where they may have contracted Covid and the main point of it is, why go to all that writing and then smash your argument out of the window by such derogatory language. "
I was merely speaking from the heart about how I would feel if one of my colleagues put my health at risk and imperilled the future of the company I work for. As I said, long term sick for more than a couple of the key workers would be disaster for the company, knocking out the sacrifices that all of us have made to keep the place going. It's not a case of wanting to sack or discipline somebody if they have been doing all they can to keep themselves, their family and their workmates safe, but still been unfortunate enough to catch this horrible disease. However if I found that somebody I had thought of as a friend and colleague had deliberately put themselves in a risky position (and anti-covid rallies in particular are going to be full of people taking little or no precautions, as people who behave sensibly would not be going to covid denying events), then took the risk of bringing the virus into the workplace without self-isolating until they knew it was safe (again, something that covid-deniers are not going to be doing), I would be disappointed and angry. Finding that somebody has deliberately put yours and others health and livelihood at risk provokes a very different emotional response than finding that someone has become sick even though they have taken every precaution. |
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Just to clarify , I’m Neither the employer or the employee. But someone who works alongside said person.
Said person splashed it all over Facebook. And now people are refusing to enter the office unless something is done. But it’s a very small Company .
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"Just to clarify , I’m Neither the employer or the employee. But someone who works alongside said person.
Said person splashed it all over Facebook. And now people are refusing to enter the office unless something is done. But it’s a very small Company .
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You have my gravest sympathies. I do hope that your situation can be resolved quickly.
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By *rumalexMan
over a year ago
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"Just to clarify , I’m Neither the employer or the employee. But someone who works alongside said person.
Said person splashed it all over Facebook. And now people are refusing to enter the office unless something is done. But it’s a very small Company .
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tricky one as refusing to work can be a sackable offence in itself
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"Just to clarify , I’m Neither the employer or the employee. But someone who works alongside said person.
Said person splashed it all over Facebook. And now people are refusing to enter the office unless something is done. But it’s a very small Company .
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Unfortunately we live in a world where everyone wants to watch everyone do everything.. Sometimes even the most boring banal things create interest.. As does anyone standing up and telling people how they feel about something ..
No matter what we do these days it seems someone will try to record it and stick it up on social media to garner likes and make themselves seem more popular and then feel not so insecure in themselves.sadly life is no longer as private as we want it to be :/
Its unfortunate things have gone they way they have for you.. Hope the impact doesn't end up costing too much..
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The fact that employee rights are npt as strong as many may believe them to be, should be cause for us to be cautious about how we live our lives. We may be remunerated for our efforts whilst working but we also have employers holding some rights over us at other times. We're perceived as representatives for our employers whatever we do, so wayward behaviour that may be illegal, puts others at risk or shows a doubtful moral compass, could influence our parting of ways.
Our rights to protest should be stronger than they are. But our current responsibilities for helping to keep others safe, in part by not putting ourselves in harms way, where we could become infected and subsequently infect others. |
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"Lawful supercedes legal. Its not unlawful to attend a peaceful protest.companys policy can't supercede the equality act either. Don't listen to some of the empty heads in this thread "
Unfortunately you are wrong as far as ' empty heads' are concerned.. The point e
Being made is not about what is 'lawful'.. That doesn't matter.Most professional roles these days have a strict code of conduct both inside and outside work.. It's quite often the case people are fired for doing or saying something that bring the employer into disrepute impacts the reputation of the company in some way or another..going on demos, taking drugs, assaults or even speaking your mind on social media about how you feel about your job or employer can get you fired these days
People need to be very careful
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"Just to clarify , I’m Neither the employer or the employee. But someone who works alongside said person.
Said person splashed it all over Facebook. And now people are refusing to enter the office unless something is done. But it’s a very small Company .
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Test everyone with the free covid tests. |
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"Just a quick question, I couldn’t find too much out on the net.
If an employer found out that one of his office workforce attended an anti covid rally could they suspend them for breaking covid guidelines which could effect their colleagues ? Or because it happened outside of work is it not something that’s enforceable "
Not sure if you're the employer or employee but before dealing with any situation regarding activities outside of work I would strongly advise you to take legal advice based on your specific situation.
I doubt that one rule covers every situation.
Not sure of the full facts but a care home nurse was sacked for this but she wore her uniform to the protest bringing the company into disrepute and against company rules about safety for the care home elderly
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"I think that if you are taking personal action that is (a) illegal and (b) puts you at risk of carrying a dangerous disease into your place of employment, it matters not one jot that you went to the rally in your own time. You are deliberately choosing to put your colleagues at risk. You are deliberately choosing to put your employer at financial risk. After the last year of economic difficulty for all, the possibility of multiple employees becoming sick and having to be paid sick leave could be the last straw to push your company over the brink. If you work in any public facing role, you are deliberately choosing to put members of the public at risk.
I know that at the small company where I work, in the event of even a couple of the key workers ending up with long covid, the doors would almost certainly close for good.
At the very least you should be removed from the workplace until you have test results showing that you are no longer a danger. Given that this was self-imposed deliberate action to put others at risk, it would not be unreasonable to expect salary to be suspended until your were again safe to be allowed into your place of employment. I would also expect many of your colleagues to be rather resentful to the selfish cunt that was deliberately putting their lives at risk.
See, you were doing quite well there except you cannot discipline or sack someone because they might or indeed do have long Covid. It a result of having Covid and as yet, nobody can point the finger at any individual or situation where they may have contracted Covid and the main point of it is, why go to all that writing and then smash your argument out of the window by such derogatory language.
I was merely speaking from the heart about how I would feel if one of my colleagues put my health at risk and imperilled the future of the company I work for. As I said, long term sick for more than a couple of the key workers would be disaster for the company, knocking out the sacrifices that all of us have made to keep the place going. It's not a case of wanting to sack or discipline somebody if they have been doing all they can to keep themselves, their family and their workmates safe, but still been unfortunate enough to catch this horrible disease. However if I found that somebody I had thought of as a friend and colleague had deliberately put themselves in a risky position (and anti-covid rallies in particular are going to be full of people taking little or no precautions, as people who behave sensibly would not be going to covid denying events), then took the risk of bringing the virus into the workplace without self-isolating until they knew it was safe (again, something that covid-deniers are not going to be doing), I would be disappointed and angry. Finding that somebody has deliberately put yours and others health and livelihood at risk provokes a very different emotional response than finding that someone has become sick even though they have taken every precaution."
That passion I completely and totally understand but your last few words weren't necessary. It ruined the entire thread for me by just using one word. |
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Just a question... People who are refusing to go to work because they now percieve their to be a greater risk, are these people also avoiding the local supermarket? How do they know that the person on the checkout or the customer behind or in front of them wasn't also there?
Ultimately the covid risk assessment for the business premises should be shared and include enhanced cleaning practices etc. As an employer I'd personally be more interested in supporting people to feel safe to come in |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Whilst bringing the company into disrepute is normally classified as gross misconduct and a fair reason for dismissal I would suggest that could be a difficult position to defend at an Employment Tribunal.
The employer would be asked to detail how their business had been negatively affected by the incident. Whilst the OP says it was posted on the individuals Facebook page they don't say if they were public or private posts or whether the Employer is identified either in the "about" part of the Facebook profile or in the posts themselves.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Just a quick question, I couldn’t find too much out on the net.
If an employer found out that one of his office workforce attended an anti covid rally could they suspend them for breaking covid guidelines which could effect their colleagues ? Or because it happened outside of work is it not something that’s enforceable "
An anti COVID rally?
Did the virus respond to people protesting against it?
Or Was it a protest claiming it did not exist in the first place? |
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"Just a quick question, I couldn’t find too much out on the net.
If an employer found out that one of his office workforce attended an anti covid rally could they suspend them for breaking covid guidelines which could effect their colleagues ? Or because it happened outside of work is it not something that’s enforceable
The employer might ask for a covid test before the employee returns to work as the have been in a potentially hazardous situation
Wonder if they'd have asked if they'd seen you on a BLM protest? "
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"Just a quick question, I couldn’t find too much out on the net.
If an employer found out that one of his office workforce attended an anti covid rally could they suspend them for breaking covid guidelines which could effect their colleagues ? Or because it happened outside of work is it not something that’s enforceable "
Anyone giving you legal advice on here should really be ignored (and probably blocked cause it could get you into a lot of trouble!!!). Why are they giving legal advice that they are not trained to give? Unless they work in HR themselves of course, but even then, I’d be speaking to experts.
I’ve not read any replies because it’s a legal minefield, but I searched for the word ACAS and not one person has mentioned them.
Call ACAS, this is what they are trained to do. They are experts in employee/employer rights. +44-300-123-1100 and it’s free advice. I had to use them when an employee of mine was stealing time from my business.
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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago
The South |
"I think that if you are taking personal action that is (a) illegal and (b) puts you at risk of carrying a dangerous disease into your place of employment, it matters not one jot that you went to the rally in your own time. You are deliberately choosing to put your colleagues at risk. You are deliberately choosing to put your employer at financial risk. After the last year of economic difficulty for all, the possibility of multiple employees becoming sick and having to be paid sick leave could be the last straw to push your company over the brink. If you work in any public facing role, you are deliberately choosing to put members of the public at risk.
I know that at the small company where I work, in the event of even a couple of the key workers ending up with long covid, the doors would almost certainly close for good.
At the very least you should be removed from the workplace until you have test results showing that you are no longer a danger. Given that this was self-imposed deliberate action to put others at risk, it would not be unreasonable to expect salary to be suspended until your were again safe to be allowed into your place of employment. I would also expect many of your colleagues to be rather resentful to the selfish cunt that was deliberately putting their lives at risk.
See, you were doing quite well there except you cannot discipline or sack someone because they might or indeed do have long Covid. It a result of having Covid and as yet, nobody can point the finger at any individual or situation where they may have contracted Covid and the main point of it is, why go to all that writing and then smash your argument out of the window by such derogatory language.
I was merely speaking from the heart about how I would feel if one of my colleagues put my health at risk and imperilled the future of the company I work for. As I said, long term sick for more than a couple of the key workers would be disaster for the company, knocking out the sacrifices that all of us have made to keep the place going. It's not a case of wanting to sack or discipline somebody if they have been doing all they can to keep themselves, their family and their workmates safe, but still been unfortunate enough to catch this horrible disease. However if I found that somebody I had thought of as a friend and colleague had deliberately put themselves in a risky position (and anti-covid rallies in particular are going to be full of people taking little or no precautions, as people who behave sensibly would not be going to covid denying events), then took the risk of bringing the virus into the workplace without self-isolating until they knew it was safe (again, something that covid-deniers are not going to be doing), I would be disappointed and angry. Finding that somebody has deliberately put yours and others health and livelihood at risk provokes a very different emotional response than finding that someone has become sick even though they have taken every precaution.
That passion I completely and totally understand but your last few words weren't necessary. It ruined the entire thread for me by just using one word. "
Sometimes only one word adequately describes the emotion.
I thought the C word was appropriate in context.
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"I think that if you are taking personal action that is (a) illegal and (b) puts you at risk of carrying a dangerous disease into your place of employment, it matters not one jot that you went to the rally in your own time. You are deliberately choosing to put your colleagues at risk. You are deliberately choosing to put your employer at financial risk. After the last year of economic difficulty for all, the possibility of multiple employees becoming sick and having to be paid sick leave could be the last straw to push your company over the brink. If you work in any public facing role, you are deliberately choosing to put members of the public at risk.
I know that at the small company where I work, in the event of even a couple of the key workers ending up with long covid, the doors would almost certainly close for good.
At the very least you should be removed from the workplace until you have test results showing that you are no longer a danger. Given that this was self-imposed deliberate action to put others at risk, it would not be unreasonable to expect salary to be suspended until your were again safe to be allowed into your place of employment. I would also expect many of your colleagues to be rather resentful to the selfish cunt that was deliberately putting their lives at risk.
See, you were doing quite well there except you cannot discipline or sack someone because they might or indeed do have long Covid. It a result of having Covid and as yet, nobody can point the finger at any individual or situation where they may have contracted Covid and the main point of it is, why go to all that writing and then smash your argument out of the window by such derogatory language.
I was merely speaking from the heart about how I would feel if one of my colleagues put my health at risk and imperilled the future of the company I work for. As I said, long term sick for more than a couple of the key workers would be disaster for the company, knocking out the sacrifices that all of us have made to keep the place going. It's not a case of wanting to sack or discipline somebody if they have been doing all they can to keep themselves, their family and their workmates safe, but still been unfortunate enough to catch this horrible disease. However if I found that somebody I had thought of as a friend and colleague had deliberately put themselves in a risky position (and anti-covid rallies in particular are going to be full of people taking little or no precautions, as people who behave sensibly would not be going to covid denying events), then took the risk of bringing the virus into the workplace without self-isolating until they knew it was safe (again, something that covid-deniers are not going to be doing), I would be disappointed and angry. Finding that somebody has deliberately put yours and others health and livelihood at risk provokes a very different emotional response than finding that someone has become sick even though they have taken every precaution.
That passion I completely and totally understand but your last few words weren't necessary. It ruined the entire thread for me by just using one word.
Sometimes only one word adequately describes the emotion.
I thought the C word was appropriate in context.
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You may but as the reader, I thought it ruined the entire comment. Hey ho. I just dismissed it as ramblings after seeing that otherwise I might have said well done but I'm all fairness not necessary |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"Just to clarify , I’m Neither the employer or the employee. But someone who works alongside said person.
Said person splashed it all over Facebook. And now people are refusing to enter the office unless something is done. But it’s a very small Company .
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"Just a quick question, I couldn’t find too much out on the net.
If an employer found out that one of his office workforce attended an anti covid rally could they suspend them for breaking covid guidelines which could effect their colleagues ? Or because it happened outside of work is it not something that’s enforceable "
Consult with a solicitor who specialises in workplace law. Otherwise it could be a costly mistake. |
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