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"Where I work , we can’t find people to work the evening shift , 2.30 till 11 pm Picking and packing , , seems people are scared of working now " Picking and packing wages wouldn't cover most people s bills | |||
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"A friend of mine runs a pub, and he’s struggling to get staff, he’s been advertising for 6 weeks now and had 3 enquiries?? I thought people would be bombarded with cv’s with all the redundancies and businesses that have closed? He’s lost 4 staff as they found work elsewhere but only decided to tell him once furlough was ending, and one refused to come back as it seems harder work!!!! Has furlough spoiled some or has Covid make people more needy??" Maybe he us not offering the rate for the job ? There could be a number of factors associated with his pub or his reputation in the trade. | |||
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"I read that as a result brexit and during the pandemic a little over a million workers left for their country of origin - this particularly affects hospitality, care and agriculture - traditionally lower paying industries. The UK population is beginning to shrink - mainly in economically active age groups. " Stop paying benifits See how low paid these jobs are then I always thought a benefit was something you earnt The benefit of being employed was the wages at the end of the week? If all the foreign workers have gone home Britain should have 100% employment?? | |||
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"Figures last year after the first lock down were in the region of 1.2 million people some whom worked in the hospitality industry went home to Europe.. That's bound to have a knock on effect.." Didn't companies actively recruit in those countries, as there was a shortage of people who wanted to work in this country. Why would anyone want to work, when they can play the system and get more money on benefits. | |||
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"Figures last year after the first lock down were in the region of 1.2 million people some whom worked in the hospitality industry went home to Europe.. That's bound to have a knock on effect.. Didn't companies actively recruit in those countries, as there was a shortage of people who wanted to work in this country. Why would anyone want to work, when they can play the system and get more money on benefits." Exactly I’ve had 2 employees over the past month “ I’m unemployed 3 kids at weekends virus ect “ Ok says me turn up Monday plenty of hrs Guess what No show !!!! | |||
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"I wouldn’t be surprised if Covid has given people cause to think about what they value in life and working long hours doing bullshit jobs with no prospects that won’t pay the bills, ain’t it." So sod it Go on social Furlough was great !! Why work when you gonna get paid to to stay at home Reduced rates School meals Food banks Free dental Free prescription Why go to work Need to earn £1000 a week to make it worth while!! | |||
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"They are all staying home n making overpriced doughnuts and brownies aren't they? Or attempting to be influencers/youtubers "Seems that way | |||
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"Figures last year after the first lock down were in the region of 1.2 million people some whom worked in the hospitality industry went home to Europe.. That's bound to have a knock on effect.." Let's see how many people decide to drag themselves off the sofa and apply for all these newly vacant British jobs  | |||
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"I wouldn’t be surprised if Covid has given people cause to think about what they value in life and working long hours doing bullshit jobs with no prospects that won’t pay the bills, ain’t it. So sod it Go on social Furlough was great !! Why work when you gonna get paid to to stay at home Reduced rates School meals Food banks Free dental Free prescription Why go to work Need to earn £1000 a week to make it worth while!!" Supply and demand. Provide meaningful fulfilling work, treat your employees as human beings instead of skivies, give them a career development plan, pay them a salary with paid holiday that they can live on with enough left over for hobbies and interests, and they’ll be hammering on your door for a job. So ask yourself what can you offer an employee, how can you make yourself an attractive employer. | |||
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"I wouldn’t be surprised if Covid has given people cause to think about what they value in life and working long hours doing bullshit jobs with no prospects that won’t pay the bills, ain’t it. So sod it Go on social Furlough was great !! Why work when you gonna get paid to to stay at home Reduced rates School meals Food banks Free dental Free prescription Why go to work Need to earn £1000 a week to make it worth while!! Supply and demand. Provide meaningful fulfilling work, treat your employees as human beings instead of skivies, give them a career development plan, pay them a salary with paid holiday that they can live on with enough left over for hobbies and interests, and they’ll be hammering on your door for a job. So ask yourself what can you offer an employee, how can you make yourself an attractive employer." Your so wrong May 2 paid bank holidays Pensions legal right Minimum wage Sick pay Maternity pay Paternity pay Holiday pay Access to mental health professionals Still better off on universal credit | |||
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"I wouldn’t be surprised if Covid has given people cause to think about what they value in life and working long hours doing bullshit jobs with no prospects that won’t pay the bills, ain’t it. So sod it Go on social Furlough was great !! Why work when you gonna get paid to to stay at home Reduced rates School meals Food banks Free dental Free prescription Why go to work Need to earn £1000 a week to make it worth while!!" Im on UC after leaving work due to mental health reasons I dont get free prescriptions or dental not sure where you got that from £380 a month doesnt exactly go far | |||
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"I wouldn’t be surprised if Covid has given people cause to think about what they value in life and working long hours doing bullshit jobs with no prospects that won’t pay the bills, ain’t it. So sod it Go on social Furlough was great !! Why work when you gonna get paid to to stay at home Reduced rates School meals Food banks Free dental Free prescription Why go to work Need to earn £1000 a week to make it worth while!! Supply and demand. Provide meaningful fulfilling work, treat your employees as human beings instead of skivies, give them a career development plan, pay them a salary with paid holiday that they can live on with enough left over for hobbies and interests, and they’ll be hammering on your door for a job. So ask yourself what can you offer an employee, how can you make yourself an attractive employer. Your so wrong May 2 paid bank holidays Pensions legal right Minimum wage Sick pay Maternity pay Paternity pay Holiday pay Access to mental health professionals Still better off on universal credit " You really are not... | |||
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"I wouldn’t be surprised if Covid has given people cause to think about what they value in life and working long hours doing bullshit jobs with no prospects that won’t pay the bills, ain’t it. So sod it Go on social Furlough was great !! Why work when you gonna get paid to to stay at home Reduced rates School meals Food banks Free dental Free prescription Why go to work Need to earn £1000 a week to make it worth while!! Supply and demand. Provide meaningful fulfilling work, treat your employees as human beings instead of skivies, give them a career development plan, pay them a salary with paid holiday that they can live on with enough left over for hobbies and interests, and they’ll be hammering on your door for a job. So ask yourself what can you offer an employee, how can you make yourself an attractive employer. Your so wrong May 2 paid bank holidays Pensions legal right Minimum wage Sick pay Maternity pay Paternity pay Holiday pay Access to mental health professionals Still better off on universal credit " There’s a problem right there ‘minimum wage’. Minimum wage says you don’t value your employees. It’s says “you’re not worth more than the government tells me I have to pay you”. Everyone knows it might in rare cases just about be possible to ‘live’ on minimum wage, but it certainly isn’t possible to have a ‘life’ on minimum wage. | |||
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"A lot of work shy people about they will change there tune when government stops there money " If you can’t live on £8.91 per hr something wrong I did same job for £3.50 hr | |||
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"A lot of work shy people about they will change there tune when government stops there money If you can’t live on £8.91 per hr something wrong I did same job for £3.50 hr " When did you do that job? Youre aware inflation exists right? | |||
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"A lot of work shy people about they will change there tune when government stops there money " It’s not about ‘being work shy’ though is it. Would you take a bullshit job on minimum wage with no prospects that won’t pay the bills? That you call people work shy suggests to me that you think employers should pay the absolute minimum they can get away with, like some kind of reverse auction for jobs. Hey why don’t we just bring back the Victorian work houses? | |||
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"A lot of work shy people about they will change there tune when government stops there money If you can’t live on £8.91 per hr something wrong I did same job for £3.50 hr " How long ago?! Surely wages are meant to improve... Do you live on minimum wage?? I doubt it | |||
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"I wouldn’t be surprised if Covid has given people cause to think about what they value in life and working long hours doing bullshit jobs with no prospects that won’t pay the bills, ain’t it. So sod it Go on social Furlough was great !! Why work when you gonna get paid to to stay at home Reduced rates School meals Food banks Free dental Free prescription Why go to work Need to earn £1000 a week to make it worth while!!" Wow do you honestly think you get £1000pw on benefits...  | |||
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"A lot of work shy people about they will change there tune when government stops there money If you can’t live on £8.91 per hr something wrong I did same job for £3.50 hr When did you do that job? Youre aware inflation exists right?" 15 years ago I did same job I’m now employing people to do Wages gone up cost of living gone up no difference now to then Apart from I didn’t have an eye phone £100 pair of trainers Posh car on tick Ect Ect | |||
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"Having recently decided on a look for something new, and being in retail for the past few years for minimum wage, i expected to find something even with covid around. My experiences in many fields (retail, security, driving, hospitality) and references are good, however all i get is 'too old - not in so many word of course' 'fixed term or temp contracts - Not leaving a full time permeant for that am i. 'come do a few shifts and see how it goes - free labour before sorry not suitable 'zero hours contract - but we promise you will get lots of hours (verbal assurance only of course) so yeh there are issues around getting jobs, but the employers are not all innocent in this I am not suggesting that anyone or their companies posting on this thread is like that i assure you just my personal observations." I am looking for a change in direction and I have been getting this too. | |||
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"A lot of work shy people about they will change there tune when government stops there money If you can’t live on £8.91 per hr something wrong I did same job for £3.50 hr When did you do that job? Youre aware inflation exists right? 15 years ago I did same job I’m now employing people to do Wages gone up cost of living gone up no difference now to then Apart from I didn’t have an eye phone £100 pair of trainers Posh car on tick Ect Ect " If you dont think the cost of living hasnt gone up in the last 5 years let alone 15 you are mad | |||
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"I wouldn’t be surprised if Covid has given people cause to think about what they value in life and working long hours doing bullshit jobs with no prospects that won’t pay the bills, ain’t it. So sod it Go on social Furlough was great !! Why work when you gonna get paid to to stay at home Reduced rates School meals Food banks Free dental Free prescription Why go to work Need to earn £1000 a week to make it worth while!! Wow do you honestly think you get £1000pw on benefits... "Add up all your costs you’d need to pay for coming off benefits?? My friend works for dwp Some families are claiming £3000 per week It drives her insane!!!! | |||
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"I wouldn’t be surprised if Covid has given people cause to think about what they value in life and working long hours doing bullshit jobs with no prospects that won’t pay the bills, ain’t it. So sod it Go on social Furlough was great !! Why work when you gonna get paid to to stay at home Reduced rates School meals Food banks Free dental Free prescription Why go to work Need to earn £1000 a week to make it worth while!! Supply and demand. Provide meaningful fulfilling work, treat your employees as human beings instead of skivies, give them a career development plan, pay them a salary with paid holiday that they can live on with enough left over for hobbies and interests, and they’ll be hammering on your door for a job. So ask yourself what can you offer an employee, how can you make yourself an attractive employer. Your so wrong May 2 paid bank holidays Pensions legal right Minimum wage Sick pay Maternity pay Paternity pay Holiday pay Access to mental health professionals Still better off on universal credit " Statutory maternity pay is £151.97 a week and you only get it if you've been employed by your employer for 26 weeks continuously by the "qualifying week" of the pregnancy (that being the 15th week before the expected due date, otherwise known as the 25th week out of a 40wk pregnancy). It's peanuts and is clearly nothing like an incentive to sit back and have kids. I'm the main income earner and SMP brought my wage down from the equivalent of almost £40k p/a to £146 a week, at the time. I had to start my mat leave a month early because of the onset of what I now know is a permanent disability. I went back to work when my daughter was 4 months old, newly disabled, on crutches and still pumping breastmilk. Mr KC did not qualify for any paternity anything at the time, because he'd not long started a new job at the time I found out I was pregnant. And his income was (and is) significantly lower than mine. | |||
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"A lot of work shy people about they will change there tune when government stops there money If you can’t live on £8.91 per hr something wrong I did same job for £3.50 hr " Yes there is something wrong if people can’t live on £8.91. It means rent, transport, gas/electricity, quality fresh food costs are too high. But why do you expect people to just ‘live’ rather than have a ‘life’? | |||
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"I wouldn’t be surprised if Covid has given people cause to think about what they value in life and working long hours doing bullshit jobs with no prospects that won’t pay the bills, ain’t it. So sod it Go on social Furlough was great !! Why work when you gonna get paid to to stay at home Reduced rates School meals Food banks Free dental Free prescription Why go to work Need to earn £1000 a week to make it worth while!! Wow do you honestly think you get £1000pw on benefits...
Add up all your costs you’d need to pay for coming off benefits??
My friend works for dwp
Some families are claiming £3000 per week
It drives her insane!!!!"That will be a very small amount of people tbh As i have said I get £380 a month... | |||
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"I wouldn’t be surprised if Covid has given people cause to think about what they value in life and working long hours doing bullshit jobs with no prospects that won’t pay the bills, ain’t it. So sod it Go on social Furlough was great !! Why work when you gonna get paid to to stay at home Reduced rates School meals Food banks Free dental Free prescription Why go to work Need to earn £1000 a week to make it worth while!! Wow do you honestly think you get £1000pw on benefits...
Add up all your costs you’d need to pay for coming off benefits??
My friend works for dwp
Some families are claiming £3000 per week
It drives her insane!!!!"Did you read that in the Daily Mail? | |||
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" Hey why don’t we just bring back the Victorian work houses?" Don't suggest it, some people are rubbing their hands in glee at the thought | |||
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"I read that as a result brexit and during the pandemic a little over a million workers left for their country of origin - this particularly affects hospitality, care and agriculture - traditionally lower paying industries. The UK population is beginning to shrink - mainly in economically active age groups. Stop paying benifits See how low paid these jobs are then I always thought a benefit was something you earnt The benefit of being employed was the wages at the end of the week? If all the foreign workers have gone home Britain should have 100% employment??" The thing is wages went down because of the influx of foreign workers . I can hardly see the same company's using the wages. | |||
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"A lot of work shy people about they will change there tune when government stops there money If you can’t live on £8.91 per hr something wrong I did same job for £3.50 hr When did you do that job? Youre aware inflation exists right? 15 years ago I did same job I’m now employing people to do Wages gone up cost of living gone up no difference now to then Apart from I didn’t have an eye phone £100 pair of trainers Posh car on tick Ect Ect If you dont think the cost of living hasnt gone up in the last 5 years let alone 15 you are mad" Try and read I said cost of living has gone up People think their better off with current wages but these no difference due to increase in cost of living I met an Australian on holiday He said we earn big money but a can of is $4 So we’re no better off That’s what I’m is aiming at ! | |||
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"I read that as a result brexit and during the pandemic a little over a million workers left for their country of origin - this particularly affects hospitality, care and agriculture - traditionally lower paying industries. The UK population is beginning to shrink - mainly in economically active age groups. Stop paying benifits See how low paid these jobs are then I always thought a benefit was something you earnt The benefit of being employed was the wages at the end of the week? If all the foreign workers have gone home Britain should have 100% employment?? The thing is wages went down because of the influx of foreign workers . I can hardly see the same company's using the wages." Upping | |||
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"I wouldn’t be surprised if Covid has given people cause to think about what they value in life and working long hours doing bullshit jobs with no prospects that won’t pay the bills, ain’t it. So sod it Go on social Furlough was great !! Why work when you gonna get paid to to stay at home Reduced rates School meals Food banks Free dental Free prescription Why go to work Need to earn £1000 a week to make it worth while!! Wow do you honestly think you get £1000pw on benefits...
Add up all your costs you’d need to pay for coming off benefits??
My friend works for dwp
Some families are claiming £3000 per week
It drives her insane!!!!"That will be including the extortionate amount of rent some cuntwaffle is allowed to charge them, if its even true, which I doubt | |||
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"A lot of work shy people about they will change there tune when government stops there money If you can’t live on £8.91 per hr something wrong I did same job for £3.50 hr Yes there is something wrong if people can’t live on £8.91. It means rent, transport, gas/electricity, quality fresh food costs are too high. But why do you expect people to just ‘live’ rather than have a ‘life’?" I earned £2.80 an hour working at Matalan when I was at sixth form in 2003 ish. There's absolutely no way I could have done anything other than put diesel in my car to take my son to nursery and to get me to/from college. It was a pittance then and I was treated like utter shite by both the company and the customers. I was perfectly happy to quit  | |||
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"I wouldn’t be surprised if Covid has given people cause to think about what they value in life and working long hours doing bullshit jobs with no prospects that won’t pay the bills, ain’t it. So sod it Go on social Furlough was great !! Why work when you gonna get paid to to stay at home Reduced rates School meals Food banks Free dental Free prescription Why go to work Need to earn £1000 a week to make it worth while!! Supply and demand. Provide meaningful fulfilling work, treat your employees as human beings instead of skivies, give them a career development plan, pay them a salary with paid holiday that they can live on with enough left over for hobbies and interests, and they’ll be hammering on your door for a job. So ask yourself what can you offer an employee, how can you make yourself an attractive employer. Your so wrong May 2 paid bank holidays Pensions legal right Minimum wage Sick pay Maternity pay Paternity pay Holiday pay Access to mental health professionals Still better off on universal credit There’s a problem right there ‘minimum wage’. Minimum wage says you don’t value your employees. It’s says “you’re not worth more than the government tells me I have to pay you”. Everyone knows it might in rare cases just about be possible to ‘live’ on minimum wage, but it certainly isn’t possible to have a ‘life’ on minimum wage." I'm a waitress, live on my own so only one wage coming in. Minimum wage just about covers my bills on a good month. I don't live. I scrape and exist. | |||
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"A lot of work shy people about they will change there tune when government stops there money If you can’t live on £8.91 per hr something wrong I did same job for £3.50 hr When did you do that job? Youre aware inflation exists right? 15 years ago I did same job I’m now employing people to do Wages gone up cost of living gone up no difference now to then Apart from I didn’t have an eye phone £100 pair of trainers Posh car on tick Ect Ect If you dont think the cost of living hasnt gone up in the last 5 years let alone 15 you are mad Try and read I said cost of living has gone up People think their better off with current wages but these no difference due to increase in cost of living I met an Australian on holiday He said we earn big money but a can of is $4 So we’re no better off That’s what I’m is aiming at !" Thats called inflation Whats your point? Why are you complaining if the minimum wage has gone up with the cost of living? Are you saying it shouldnt of done | |||
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"A lot of work shy people about they will change there tune when government stops there money If you can’t live on £8.91 per hr something wrong I did same job for £3.50 hr When did you do that job? Youre aware inflation exists right? 15 years ago I did same job I’m now employing people to do Wages gone up cost of living gone up no difference now to then Apart from I didn’t have an eye phone £100 pair of trainers Posh car on tick Ect Ect If you dont think the cost of living hasnt gone up in the last 5 years let alone 15 you are mad Try and read I said cost of living has gone up People think their better off with current wages but these no difference due to increase in cost of living I met an Australian on holiday He said we earn big money but a can of is $4 So we’re no better off That’s what I’m is aiming at ! Thats called inflation Whats your point? Why are you complaining if the minimum wage has gone up with the cost of living? Are you saying it shouldnt of done" People could live on wage before so why not now Everything gone up together I could do it | |||
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"I wouldn’t be surprised if Covid has given people cause to think about what they value in life and working long hours doing bullshit jobs with no prospects that won’t pay the bills, ain’t it. So sod it Go on social Furlough was great !! Why work when you gonna get paid to to stay at home Reduced rates School meals Food banks Free dental Free prescription Why go to work Need to earn £1000 a week to make it worth while!! Supply and demand. Provide meaningful fulfilling work, treat your employees as human beings instead of skivies, give them a career development plan, pay them a salary with paid holiday that they can live on with enough left over for hobbies and interests, and they’ll be hammering on your door for a job. So ask yourself what can you offer an employee, how can you make yourself an attractive employer. Your so wrong May 2 paid bank holidays Pensions legal right Minimum wage Sick pay Maternity pay Paternity pay Holiday pay Access to mental health professionals Still better off on universal credit There’s a problem right there ‘minimum wage’. Minimum wage says you don’t value your employees. It’s says “you’re not worth more than the government tells me I have to pay you”. Everyone knows it might in rare cases just about be possible to ‘live’ on minimum wage, but it certainly isn’t possible to have a ‘life’ on minimum wage. I'm a waitress, live on my own so only one wage coming in. Minimum wage just about covers my bills on a good month. I don't live. I scrape and exist." So you live in London High cost of living Move | |||
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"I wouldn’t be surprised if Covid has given people cause to think about what they value in life and working long hours doing bullshit jobs with no prospects that won’t pay the bills, ain’t it. So sod it Go on social Furlough was great !! Why work when you gonna get paid to to stay at home Reduced rates School meals Food banks Free dental Free prescription Why go to work Need to earn £1000 a week to make it worth while!! Supply and demand. Provide meaningful fulfilling work, treat your employees as human beings instead of skivies, give them a career development plan, pay them a salary with paid holiday that they can live on with enough left over for hobbies and interests, and they’ll be hammering on your door for a job. So ask yourself what can you offer an employee, how can you make yourself an attractive employer. Your so wrong May 2 paid bank holidays Pensions legal right Minimum wage Sick pay Maternity pay Paternity pay Holiday pay Access to mental health professionals Still better off on universal credit There’s a problem right there ‘minimum wage’. Minimum wage says you don’t value your employees. It’s says “you’re not worth more than the government tells me I have to pay you”. Everyone knows it might in rare cases just about be possible to ‘live’ on minimum wage, but it certainly isn’t possible to have a ‘life’ on minimum wage. I'm a waitress, live on my own so only one wage coming in. Minimum wage just about covers my bills on a good month. I don't live. I scrape and exist." I would of been a paid a tiny bit more than you as a Kitchen Manager, but was mostly Salary so probably worked out less per hour overall. I would never of been able to live on my wage alone, especially in this area. the only time i was able to was when i lived and worked as a head chef in a Hotel | |||
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"A lot of work shy people about they will change there tune when government stops there money If you can’t live on £8.91 per hr something wrong I did same job for £3.50 hr When did you do that job? Youre aware inflation exists right? 15 years ago I did same job I’m now employing people to do Wages gone up cost of living gone up no difference now to then Apart from I didn’t have an eye phone £100 pair of trainers Posh car on tick Ect Ect If you dont think the cost of living hasnt gone up in the last 5 years let alone 15 you are mad Try and read I said cost of living has gone up People think their better off with current wages but these no difference due to increase in cost of living I met an Australian on holiday He said we earn big money but a can of is $4 So we’re no better off That’s what I’m is aiming at ! Thats called inflation Whats your point? Why are you complaining if the minimum wage has gone up with the cost of living? Are you saying it shouldnt of done" Minimum wage has increased the cost of living The only people to benefit are the government As it brings more people out of the benefit brackets People are being duped Then they complain can’t live on that ! Not with my I phone trainers car on tick an all that ! Hi | |||
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"Do you have kids or family that depend on you ?" Yes And 10 employees who depend on me making a profit every week | |||
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"A lot of work shy people about they will change there tune when government stops there money If you can’t live on £8.91 per hr something wrong I did same job for £3.50 hr When did you do that job? Youre aware inflation exists right? 15 years ago I did same job I’m now employing people to do Wages gone up cost of living gone up no difference now to then Apart from I didn’t have an eye phone £100 pair of trainers Posh car on tick Ect Ect If you dont think the cost of living hasnt gone up in the last 5 years let alone 15 you are mad Try and read I said cost of living has gone up People think their better off with current wages but these no difference due to increase in cost of living I met an Australian on holiday He said we earn big money but a can of is $4 So we’re no better off That’s what I’m is aiming at ! Thats called inflation Whats your point? Why are you complaining if the minimum wage has gone up with the cost of living? Are you saying it shouldnt of done People could live on wage before so why not now Everything gone up together I could do it " Why do you think it’s some noble achievement to exist on minimum wage? Aren’t people entitled to a salary that gives them a life? | |||
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"I wouldn’t be surprised if Covid has given people cause to think about what they value in life and working long hours doing bullshit jobs with no prospects that won’t pay the bills, ain’t it. So sod it Go on social Furlough was great !! Why work when you gonna get paid to to stay at home Reduced rates School meals Food banks Free dental Free prescription Why go to work Need to earn £1000 a week to make it worth while!! Supply and demand. Provide meaningful fulfilling work, treat your employees as human beings instead of skivies, give them a career development plan, pay them a salary with paid holiday that they can live on with enough left over for hobbies and interests, and they’ll be hammering on your door for a job. So ask yourself what can you offer an employee, how can you make yourself an attractive employer. Your so wrong May 2 paid bank holidays Pensions legal right Minimum wage Sick pay Maternity pay Paternity pay Holiday pay Access to mental health professionals Still better off on universal credit There’s a problem right there ‘minimum wage’. Minimum wage says you don’t value your employees. It’s says “you’re not worth more than the government tells me I have to pay you”. Everyone knows it might in rare cases just about be possible to ‘live’ on minimum wage, but it certainly isn’t possible to have a ‘life’ on minimum wage. I'm a waitress, live on my own so only one wage coming in. Minimum wage just about covers my bills on a good month. I don't live. I scrape and exist. I would of been a paid a tiny bit more than you as a Kitchen Manager, but was mostly Salary so probably worked out less per hour overall. I would never of been able to live on my wage alone, especially in this area. the only time i was able to was when i lived and worked as a head chef in a Hotel" It's hard. Really hard. I'm always the person they phone if someone calls in sick coz they know I need the hours. If it's quiet tho and not many bookings you get sent home. You don't get paid for the hours you lose, you just lose them as you know. I want to get out of the industry but just don't have the confidence. | |||
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"I wouldn’t be surprised if Covid has given people cause to think about what they value in life and working long hours doing bullshit jobs with no prospects that won’t pay the bills, ain’t it. So sod it Go on social Furlough was great !! Why work when you gonna get paid to to stay at home Reduced rates School meals Food banks Free dental Free prescription Why go to work Need to earn £1000 a week to make it worth while!! Supply and demand. Provide meaningful fulfilling work, treat your employees as human beings instead of skivies, give them a career development plan, pay them a salary with paid holiday that they can live on with enough left over for hobbies and interests, and they’ll be hammering on your door for a job. So ask yourself what can you offer an employee, how can you make yourself an attractive employer. Your so wrong May 2 paid bank holidays Pensions legal right Minimum wage Sick pay Maternity pay Paternity pay Holiday pay Access to mental health professionals Still better off on universal credit " You are quite right.. Whilst there are many deserving cases who have been thrown a lifeline with the furlough scheme there are unfortunately huge numbers who have taken more than 20k each ( so a married couple got 50k in some cases last year ) for doing absolutely nothing! .. Worst still the self employed who took the grant and have carried on working just as hard now all driving new cars or getting lots of home improvements . As someone who didn't qualify or need the furlough and have worked non stop since the start of Covid and no doubt who is going to get an increase in my tax rate because of the furlough payments needing to be paid back into the government coffers. I can't help feel they could have worked things out a bit fairer for everyone .. And as for the people who are self employed can't work and don't qualify for the self employed grant.. That's really very unfair on those people I think . Reality is anyone who could work and find a job should have done that.. So many now are used to doing nothing and getting paid for it unfortunately.. Especially now the finer weather is coming.. More beers and bbq in the garden! Course as I say there are some deserving cases.. But yiu can't help but wonder if it was some sort of guarantee of votes that was the real aim behind the very generous support scenes the govt handed out last year ? I don't think there's much anyone can do about it now though.. :/ | |||
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"Jesus! Aren't things meant to get better... Do you not want our youngers to have a better quality of life... Minimum wage is utter dog shit, hence a few companies paying "living wage" wtaf is the point of minimum wage if it's not enough to live on... And why should people have to move to be able to afford more than their fecking rent?!? Talking shite about iPhones and cars... Our life is based on credit... We go to jobs, even ones we like, get treated like shite, where we are understaffed and definitely under paid... Don't we deserve better, mostly from companies whose investors make a fuck ton of money off of what we do for them,working ourselves to the bone with our minimum wage! " Agree my mrs is a carer and it's a fucking disgrace that they get paid minimum wage. | |||
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"I wouldn’t be surprised if Covid has given people cause to think about what they value in life and working long hours doing bullshit jobs with no prospects that won’t pay the bills, ain’t it. So sod it Go on social Furlough was great !! Why work when you gonna get paid to to stay at home Reduced rates School meals Food banks Free dental Free prescription Why go to work Need to earn £1000 a week to make it worth while!! Supply and demand. Provide meaningful fulfilling work, treat your employees as human beings instead of skivies, give them a career development plan, pay them a salary with paid holiday that they can live on with enough left over for hobbies and interests, and they’ll be hammering on your door for a job. So ask yourself what can you offer an employee, how can you make yourself an attractive employer. Your so wrong May 2 paid bank holidays Pensions legal right Minimum wage Sick pay Maternity pay Paternity pay Holiday pay Access to mental health professionals Still better off on universal credit " So you employ people on real basic terms there. I'm not surprised sometimes when people say they're better off on benefits! | |||
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"Jesus! Aren't things meant to get better... Do you not want our youngers to have a better quality of life... Minimum wage is utter dog shit, hence a few companies paying "living wage" wtaf is the point of minimum wage if it's not enough to live on... And why should people have to move to be able to afford more than their fecking rent?!? Talking shite about iPhones and cars... Our life is based on credit... We go to jobs, even ones we like, get treated like shite, where we are understaffed and definitely under paid... Don't we deserve better, mostly from companies whose investors make a fuck ton of money off of what we do for them,working ourselves to the bone with our minimum wage! " Do t spend what you haven’t got | |||
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"Jesus! Aren't things meant to get better... Do you not want our youngers to have a better quality of life... Minimum wage is utter dog shit, hence a few companies paying "living wage" wtaf is the point of minimum wage if it's not enough to live on... And why should people have to move to be able to afford more than their fecking rent?!? Talking shite about iPhones and cars... Our life is based on credit... We go to jobs, even ones we like, get treated like shite, where we are understaffed and definitely under paid... Don't we deserve better, mostly from companies whose investors make a fuck ton of money off of what we do for them,working ourselves to the bone with our minimum wage! " Nah. Good old days. Remember them?!
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"Jesus! Aren't things meant to get better... Do you not want our youngers to have a better quality of life... Minimum wage is utter dog shit, hence a few companies paying "living wage" wtaf is the point of minimum wage if it's not enough to live on... And why should people have to move to be able to afford more than their fecking rent?!? Talking shite about iPhones and cars... Our life is based on credit... We go to jobs, even ones we like, get treated like shite, where we are understaffed and definitely under paid... Don't we deserve better, mostly from companies whose investors make a fuck ton of money off of what we do for them,working ourselves to the bone with our minimum wage! " Bloody fist pump moment there Ariel!  | |||
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"As for the inflation argument. House prices and rents are crazy in comparison to what they used to be. I have friends who's mortgages are less than my rent due to when they bought and I'm in no grand dwelling. Fact is, I'm low paid, my hours aren't guaranteed, I'm a mortgage liability and I'd end up on the street. Minimum wage hasn't risen at the same rate as housing costs." For the past 2 years I’ve earnt less than my staff £6000 2 years ago £10,000 last year working 60 hrs a week Yet still I’ve carried on paying 1 team member £30,000 for the year Employees working fingers to the bone you’ve no idea ! | |||
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"As for the inflation argument. House prices and rents are crazy in comparison to what they used to be. I have friends who's mortgages are less than my rent due to when they bought and I'm in no grand dwelling. Fact is, I'm low paid, my hours aren't guaranteed, I'm a mortgage liability and I'd end up on the street. Minimum wage hasn't risen at the same rate as housing costs. For the past 2 years I’ve earnt less than my staff £6000 2 years ago £10,000 last year working 60 hrs a week Yet still I’ve carried on paying 1 team member £30,000 for the year Employees working fingers to the bone you’ve no idea !" How have you afforded your rent/mortgage then? | |||
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"As for the inflation argument. House prices and rents are crazy in comparison to what they used to be. I have friends who's mortgages are less than my rent due to when they bought and I'm in no grand dwelling. Fact is, I'm low paid, my hours aren't guaranteed, I'm a mortgage liability and I'd end up on the street. Minimum wage hasn't risen at the same rate as housing costs. For the past 2 years I’ve earnt less than my staff £6000 2 years ago £10,000 last year working 60 hrs a week Yet still I’ve carried on paying 1 team member £30,000 for the year Employees working fingers to the bone you’ve no idea ! How have you afforded your rent/mortgage then? " My morgage is a flexible interest only I’ve borrowed £1000,00s to keep going against it | |||
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"As for the inflation argument. House prices and rents are crazy in comparison to what they used to be. I have friends who's mortgages are less than my rent due to when they bought and I'm in no grand dwelling. Fact is, I'm low paid, my hours aren't guaranteed, I'm a mortgage liability and I'd end up on the street. Minimum wage hasn't risen at the same rate as housing costs. For the past 2 years I’ve earnt less than my staff £6000 2 years ago £10,000 last year working 60 hrs a week Yet still I’ve carried on paying 1 team member £30,000 for the year Employees working fingers to the bone you’ve no idea ! How have you afforded your rent/mortgage then? " He means 24 grand and 20 grand | |||
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"As for the inflation argument. House prices and rents are crazy in comparison to what they used to be. I have friends who's mortgages are less than my rent due to when they bought and I'm in no grand dwelling. Fact is, I'm low paid, my hours aren't guaranteed, I'm a mortgage liability and I'd end up on the street. Minimum wage hasn't risen at the same rate as housing costs. For the past 2 years I’ve earnt less than my staff £6000 2 years ago £10,000 last year working 60 hrs a week Yet still I’ve carried on paying 1 team member £30,000 for the year Employees working fingers to the bone you’ve no idea ! How have you afforded your rent/mortgage then? He means 24 grand and 20 grand" Ohhhhhhh. Double mine then. Poor baby | |||
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"As for the inflation argument. House prices and rents are crazy in comparison to what they used to be. I have friends who's mortgages are less than my rent due to when they bought and I'm in no grand dwelling. Fact is, I'm low paid, my hours aren't guaranteed, I'm a mortgage liability and I'd end up on the street. Minimum wage hasn't risen at the same rate as housing costs. For the past 2 years I’ve earnt less than my staff £6000 2 years ago £10,000 last year working 60 hrs a week Yet still I’ve carried on paying 1 team member £30,000 for the year Employees working fingers to the bone you’ve no idea ! How have you afforded your rent/mortgage then? He means 24 grand and 20 grand" You see he doesn’t He means £6000 And £10,000 | |||
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"I wouldn’t be surprised if Covid has given people cause to think about what they value in life and working long hours doing bullshit jobs with no prospects that won’t pay the bills, ain’t it. So sod it Go on social Furlough was great !! Why work when you gonna get paid to to stay at home Reduced rates School meals Food banks Free dental Free prescription Why go to work Need to earn £1000 a week to make it worth while!! Supply and demand. Provide meaningful fulfilling work, treat your employees as human beings instead of skivies, give them a career development plan, pay them a salary with paid holiday that they can live on with enough left over for hobbies and interests, and they’ll be hammering on your door for a job. So ask yourself what can you offer an employee, how can you make yourself an attractive employer. Your so wrong May 2 paid bank holidays Pensions legal right Minimum wage Sick pay Maternity pay Paternity pay Holiday pay Access to mental health professionals Still better off on universal credit There’s a problem right there ‘minimum wage’. Minimum wage says you don’t value your employees. It’s says “you’re not worth more than the government tells me I have to pay you”. Everyone knows it might in rare cases just about be possible to ‘live’ on minimum wage, but it certainly isn’t possible to have a ‘life’ on minimum wage. I'm a waitress, live on my own so only one wage coming in. Minimum wage just about covers my bills on a good month. I don't live. I scrape and exist. I would of been a paid a tiny bit more than you as a Kitchen Manager, but was mostly Salary so probably worked out less per hour overall. I would never of been able to live on my wage alone, especially in this area. the only time i was able to was when i lived and worked as a head chef in a Hotel It's hard. Really hard. I'm always the person they phone if someone calls in sick coz they know I need the hours. If it's quiet tho and not many bookings you get sent home. You don't get paid for the hours you lose, you just lose them as you know. I want to get out of the industry but just don't have the confidence. " I used to hate having to send people home tbh, i used to find work for them to do as an eexcuse to keep people on till atleast 9 or 10pm so they only missed out on a hour. Didnt go well with management though lol | |||
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"As for the inflation argument. House prices and rents are crazy in comparison to what they used to be. I have friends who's mortgages are less than my rent due to when they bought and I'm in no grand dwelling. Fact is, I'm low paid, my hours aren't guaranteed, I'm a mortgage liability and I'd end up on the street. Minimum wage hasn't risen at the same rate as housing costs. For the past 2 years I’ve earnt less than my staff £6000 2 years ago £10,000 last year working 60 hrs a week Yet still I’ve carried on paying 1 team member £30,000 for the year Employees working fingers to the bone you’ve no idea ! How have you afforded your rent/mortgage then? My morgage is a flexible interest only I’ve borrowed £1000,00s to keep going against it " Don't spend what you can't afford | |||
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"As for the inflation argument. House prices and rents are crazy in comparison to what they used to be. I have friends who's mortgages are less than my rent due to when they bought and I'm in no grand dwelling. Fact is, I'm low paid, my hours aren't guaranteed, I'm a mortgage liability and I'd end up on the street. Minimum wage hasn't risen at the same rate as housing costs. For the past 2 years I’ve earnt less than my staff £6000 2 years ago £10,000 last year working 60 hrs a week Yet still I’ve carried on paying 1 team member £30,000 for the year Employees working fingers to the bone you’ve no idea ! How have you afforded your rent/mortgage then? My morgage is a flexible interest only I’ve borrowed £1000,00s to keep going against it Don't spend what you can't afford " | |||
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"As for the inflation argument. House prices and rents are crazy in comparison to what they used to be. I have friends who's mortgages are less than my rent due to when they bought and I'm in no grand dwelling. Fact is, I'm low paid, my hours aren't guaranteed, I'm a mortgage liability and I'd end up on the street. Minimum wage hasn't risen at the same rate as housing costs. For the past 2 years I’ve earnt less than my staff £6000 2 years ago £10,000 last year working 60 hrs a week Yet still I’ve carried on paying 1 team member £30,000 for the year Employees working fingers to the bone you’ve no idea ! How have you afforded your rent/mortgage then? He means 24 grand and 20 grand You see he doesn’t He means £6000 And £10,000 " Ah whatever mate. Ok Billy. | |||
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"I used to be involved with induction training for a handling agent at gatwick airport, the beginning of the course there was a room of 30 people. When they found out the shift patterns, the start times, the people they have to deal with. At the end only 5 people finished the course, 2 of them left in the first two weeks. Some people don't want to work hard for their pay. " Or is it a case of boring meaningless work with no prospect of advancement on crap money that won’t pay the bills? | |||
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"Jesus! Aren't things meant to get better... Do you not want our youngers to have a better quality of life... Minimum wage is utter dog shit, hence a few companies paying "living wage" wtaf is the point of minimum wage if it's not enough to live on... And why should people have to move to be able to afford more than their fecking rent?!? Talking shite about iPhones and cars... Our life is based on credit... We go to jobs, even ones we like, get treated like shite, where we are understaffed and definitely under paid... Don't we deserve better, mostly from companies whose investors make a fuck ton of money off of what we do for them,working ourselves to the bone with our minimum wage! Bloody fist pump moment there Ariel! "Amen sister! | |||
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"I used to be involved with induction training for a handling agent at gatwick airport, the beginning of the course there was a room of 30 people. When they found out the shift patterns, the start times, the people they have to deal with. At the end only 5 people finished the course, 2 of them left in the first two weeks. Some people don't want to work hard for their pay. Or is it a case of boring meaningless work with no prospect of advancement on crap money that won’t pay the bills?" Stop benefits See how crap money is then | |||
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"I used to be involved with induction training for a handling agent at gatwick airport, the beginning of the course there was a room of 30 people. When they found out the shift patterns, the start times, the people they have to deal with. At the end only 5 people finished the course, 2 of them left in the first two weeks. Some people don't want to work hard for their pay. Or is it a case of boring meaningless work with no prospect of advancement on crap money that won’t pay the bills? Stop benefits See how crap money is then " Maybe bring back Debtors' prison? | |||
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"I used to be involved with induction training for a handling agent at gatwick airport, the beginning of the course there was a room of 30 people. When they found out the shift patterns, the start times, the people they have to deal with. At the end only 5 people finished the course, 2 of them left in the first two weeks. Some people don't want to work hard for their pay. Or is it a case of boring meaningless work with no prospect of advancement on crap money that won’t pay the bills? Stop benefits See how crap money is then " Ahh yes the good old "let the undeserving die" argument. Straight on the block list | |||
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"I used to be involved with induction training for a handling agent at gatwick airport, the beginning of the course there was a room of 30 people. When they found out the shift patterns, the start times, the people they have to deal with. At the end only 5 people finished the course, 2 of them left in the first two weeks. Some people don't want to work hard for their pay. Or is it a case of boring meaningless work with no prospect of advancement on crap money that won’t pay the bills? Stop benefits See how crap money is then " That is a very bad attitude in life you haveto start somewhere if you wantto get the best jobs get the qualifications then work your way up. The social security system is to soft. | |||
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"I used to be involved with induction training for a handling agent at gatwick airport, the beginning of the course there was a room of 30 people. When they found out the shift patterns, the start times, the people they have to deal with. At the end only 5 people finished the course, 2 of them left in the first two weeks. Some people don't want to work hard for their pay. Or is it a case of boring meaningless work with no prospect of advancement on crap money that won’t pay the bills? Stop benefits See how crap money is then " Such a charming man. | |||
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"I used to be involved with induction training for a handling agent at gatwick airport, the beginning of the course there was a room of 30 people. When they found out the shift patterns, the start times, the people they have to deal with. At the end only 5 people finished the course, 2 of them left in the first two weeks. Some people don't want to work hard for their pay. Or is it a case of boring meaningless work with no prospect of advancement on crap money that won’t pay the bills? Stop benefits See how crap money is then " Oh please, why when money is tight do some people want to take it away from the poor instead of the top 2% who could never spend their wealth in 100 lifetimes? | |||
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"I used to be involved with induction training for a handling agent at gatwick airport, the beginning of the course there was a room of 30 people. When they found out the shift patterns, the start times, the people they have to deal with. At the end only 5 people finished the course, 2 of them left in the first two weeks. Some people don't want to work hard for their pay. Or is it a case of boring meaningless work with no prospect of advancement on crap money that won’t pay the bills? Stop benefits See how crap money is then That is a very bad attitude in life you haveto start somewhere if you wantto get the best jobs get the qualifications then work your way up. The social security system is to soft. " As if? I worked for the social security system, I've seen people driven to desperation for cruel punishments. People forget that money is how real people live their lives, I know so many fantastic people who have been on benefits at one point or another. Especially after a pandemic it is disgusting to imply that people should die instead of being given money when they have fallen on hard time. Surely you realise that literally anybody could end up on benefits for a number of reasons.. | |||
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"I used to be involved with induction training for a handling agent at gatwick airport, the beginning of the course there was a room of 30 people. When they found out the shift patterns, the start times, the people they have to deal with. At the end only 5 people finished the course, 2 of them left in the first two weeks. Some people don't want to work hard for their pay. Or is it a case of boring meaningless work with no prospect of advancement on crap money that won’t pay the bills? Stop benefits See how crap money is then That is a very bad attitude in life you haveto start somewhere if you wantto get the best jobs get the qualifications then work your way up. The social security system is to soft. As if? I worked for the social security system, I've seen people driven to desperation for cruel punishments. People forget that money is how real people live their lives, I know so many fantastic people who have been on benefits at one point or another. Especially after a pandemic it is disgusting to imply that people should die instead of being given money when they have fallen on hard time. Surely you realise that literally anybody could end up on benefits for a number of reasons.." Very much this. | |||
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"I used to be involved with induction training for a handling agent at gatwick airport, the beginning of the course there was a room of 30 people. When they found out the shift patterns, the start times, the people they have to deal with. At the end only 5 people finished the course, 2 of them left in the first two weeks. Some people don't want to work hard for their pay. Or is it a case of boring meaningless work with no prospect of advancement on crap money that won’t pay the bills? Stop benefits See how crap money is then That is a very bad attitude in life you haveto start somewhere if you wantto get the best jobs get the qualifications then work your way up. The social security system is to soft. As if? I worked for the social security system, I've seen people driven to desperation for cruel punishments. People forget that money is how real people live their lives, I know so many fantastic people who have been on benefits at one point or another. Especially after a pandemic it is disgusting to imply that people should die instead of being given money when they have fallen on hard time. Surely you realise that literally anybody could end up on benefits for a number of reasons.." I have been on the dole in my life but took any job I could get and worked my way up in a firm. Great jobs are hard to come by allways have been | |||
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"Jesus! Aren't things meant to get better... Do you not want our youngers to have a better quality of life... Minimum wage is utter dog shit, hence a few companies paying "living wage" wtaf is the point of minimum wage if it's not enough to live on... And why should people have to move to be able to afford more than their fecking rent?!? Talking shite about iPhones and cars... Our life is based on credit... We go to jobs, even ones we like, get treated like shite, where we are understaffed and definitely under paid... Don't we deserve better, mostly from companies whose investors make a fuck ton of money off of what we do for them,working ourselves to the bone with our minimum wage! Do t spend what you haven’t got " Wtf kinda horseshit is that?!? Who said I do?! I don't do credit but that affects my life just as much as bad credit... But why is it right that someone can work over 40 hours a week and still not be able to have a decent standard of living... I am not surprised nobody wants to work for you. | |||
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"I wouldn’t be surprised if Covid has given people cause to think about what they value in life and working long hours doing bullshit jobs with no prospects that won’t pay the bills, ain’t it. So sod it Go on social Furlough was great !! Why work when you gonna get paid to to stay at home Reduced rates School meals Food banks Free dental Free prescription Why go to work Need to earn £1000 a week to make it worth while!! Supply and demand. Provide meaningful fulfilling work, treat your employees as human beings instead of skivies, give them a career development plan, pay them a salary with paid holiday that they can live on with enough left over for hobbies and interests, and they’ll be hammering on your door for a job. So ask yourself what can you offer an employee, how can you make yourself an attractive employer. Your so wrong May 2 paid bank holidays Pensions legal right Minimum wage Sick pay Maternity pay Paternity pay Holiday pay Access to mental health professionals Still better off on universal credit You are quite right.. Whilst there are many deserving cases who have been thrown a lifeline with the furlough scheme there are unfortunately huge numbers who have taken more than 20k each ( so a married couple got 50k in some cases last year ) for doing absolutely nothing! .. Worst still the self employed who took the grant and have carried on working just as hard now all driving new cars or getting lots of home improvements . As someone who didn't qualify or need the furlough and have worked non stop since the start of Covid and no doubt who is going to get an increase in my tax rate because of the furlough payments needing to be paid back into the government coffers. I can't help feel they could have worked things out a bit fairer for everyone .. And as for the people who are self employed can't work and don't qualify for the self employed grant.. That's really very unfair on those people I think . Reality is anyone who could work and find a job should have done that.. So many now are used to doing nothing and getting paid for it unfortunately.. Especially now the finer weather is coming.. More beers and bbq in the garden! Course as I say there are some deserving cases.. But yiu can't help but wonder if it was some sort of guarantee of votes that was the real aim behind the very generous support scenes the govt handed out last year ? I don't think there's much anyone can do about it now though.. :/ " Workers don't get furlough the companies they work for do! | |||
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"As for the inflation argument. House prices and rents are crazy in comparison to what they used to be. I have friends who's mortgages are less than my rent due to when they bought and I'm in no grand dwelling. Fact is, I'm low paid, my hours aren't guaranteed, I'm a mortgage liability and I'd end up on the street. Minimum wage hasn't risen at the same rate as housing costs. For the past 2 years I’ve earnt less than my staff £6000 2 years ago £10,000 last year working 60 hrs a week Yet still I’ve carried on paying 1 team member £30,000 for the year Employees working fingers to the bone you’ve no idea !" But that's the path you chose... You knew what you were getting yourself into, surely you have to suck it up like everyone else | |||
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"I used to be involved with induction training for a handling agent at gatwick airport, the beginning of the course there was a room of 30 people. When they found out the shift patterns, the start times, the people they have to deal with. At the end only 5 people finished the course, 2 of them left in the first two weeks. Some people don't want to work hard for their pay. Or is it a case of boring meaningless work with no prospect of advancement on crap money that won’t pay the bills? Stop benefits See how crap money is then That is a very bad attitude in life you haveto start somewhere if you wantto get the best jobs get the qualifications then work your way up. The social security system is to soft. As if? I worked for the social security system, I've seen people driven to desperation for cruel punishments. People forget that money is how real people live their lives, I know so many fantastic people who have been on benefits at one point or another. Especially after a pandemic it is disgusting to imply that people should die instead of being given money when they have fallen on hard time. Surely you realise that literally anybody could end up on benefits for a number of reasons..I have been on the dole in my life but took any job I could get and worked my way up in a firm. Great jobs are hard to come by allways have been" Good for you, personally I don't want to work for minimum wage, zero job security or rights, I don't want to be taken advantage of, I don't want to be harassed at work by male customers like I was before lockdown. I know I'm not alone, at the moment unemployment is effecting young people the worst because we have different expectations. Frankly, I can't pay my bills on "we will call you for your shifts", so while I can cope without any of that nonsense I will. I'd rather be poor and not work in hospitality than work in hospitality and it be the same as what it was before, I imagine it's way worse now with all the new guidelines and restrictions to follow | |||
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"As for the inflation argument. House prices and rents are crazy in comparison to what they used to be. I have friends who's mortgages are less than my rent due to when they bought and I'm in no grand dwelling. Fact is, I'm low paid, my hours aren't guaranteed, I'm a mortgage liability and I'd end up on the street. Minimum wage hasn't risen at the same rate as housing costs. For the past 2 years I’ve earnt less than my staff £6000 2 years ago £10,000 last year working 60 hrs a week Yet still I’ve carried on paying 1 team member £30,000 for the year Employees working fingers to the bone you’ve no idea ! But that's the path you chose... You knew what you were getting yourself into, surely you have to suck it up like everyone else " If he's done the lower level jobs and worked his way "up", as he claims, he should know EXACTLY what he was in for, presumably?!  | |||
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"I wouldn’t be surprised if Covid has given people cause to think about what they value in life and working long hours doing bullshit jobs with no prospects that won’t pay the bills, ain’t it. So sod it Go on social Furlough was great !! Why work when you gonna get paid to to stay at home Reduced rates School meals Food banks Free dental Free prescription Why go to work Need to earn £1000 a week to make it worth while!! Supply and demand. Provide meaningful fulfilling work, treat your employees as human beings instead of skivies, give them a career development plan, pay them a salary with paid holiday that they can live on with enough left over for hobbies and interests, and they’ll be hammering on your door for a job. So ask yourself what can you offer an employee, how can you make yourself an attractive employer. Your so wrong May 2 paid bank holidays Pensions legal right Minimum wage Sick pay Maternity pay Paternity pay Holiday pay Access to mental health professionals Still better off on universal credit There’s a problem right there ‘minimum wage’. Minimum wage says you don’t value your employees. It’s says “you’re not worth more than the government tells me I have to pay you”. Everyone knows it might in rare cases just about be possible to ‘live’ on minimum wage, but it certainly isn’t possible to have a ‘life’ on minimum wage. I'm a waitress, live on my own so only one wage coming in. Minimum wage just about covers my bills on a good month. I don't live. I scrape and exist." I'm an assistant store manager in higher end retail (big name luxury brand), salaried position so expected to work stupid hours without any extra payment and my hourly rate (for a supposed 37 hour week but I never do less than 40-45)equates to around £1.05 an hour more than minimum wage. Being furloughed on 80% wages effectively took it to less than minimum wage but bills all still got paid on time etc although it has been very tight admittedly. Other half is self employed (and has had very little help from the supposed safety net during covid) so we rely on my income to cover the essentials. By savvy shopping we survive but it's frustrating to both be working and yet be worse off than those who don't /won't work. | |||
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"I wouldn’t be surprised if Covid has given people cause to think about what they value in life and working long hours doing bullshit jobs with no prospects that won’t pay the bills, ain’t it. So sod it Go on social Furlough was great !! Why work when you gonna get paid to to stay at home Reduced rates School meals Food banks Free dental Free prescription Why go to work Need to earn £1000 a week to make it worth while!! Supply and demand. Provide meaningful fulfilling work, treat your employees as human beings instead of skivies, give them a career development plan, pay them a salary with paid holiday that they can live on with enough left over for hobbies and interests, and they’ll be hammering on your door for a job. So ask yourself what can you offer an employee, how can you make yourself an attractive employer. Your so wrong May 2 paid bank holidays Pensions legal right Minimum wage Sick pay Maternity pay Paternity pay Holiday pay Access to mental health professionals Still better off on universal credit You are quite right.. Whilst there are many deserving cases who have been thrown a lifeline with the furlough scheme there are unfortunately huge numbers who have taken more than 20k each ( so a married couple got 50k in some cases last year ) for doing absolutely nothing! .. Worst still the self employed who took the grant and have carried on working just as hard now all driving new cars or getting lots of home improvements . As someone who didn't qualify or need the furlough and have worked non stop since the start of Covid and no doubt who is going to get an increase in my tax rate because of the furlough payments needing to be paid back into the government coffers. I can't help feel they could have worked things out a bit fairer for everyone .. And as for the people who are self employed can't work and don't qualify for the self employed grant.. That's really very unfair on those people I think . Reality is anyone who could work and find a job should have done that.. So many now are used to doing nothing and getting paid for it unfortunately.. Especially now the finer weather is coming.. More beers and bbq in the garden! Course as I say there are some deserving cases.. But yiu can't help but wonder if it was some sort of guarantee of votes that was the real aim behind the very generous support scenes the govt handed out last year ? I don't think there's much anyone can do about it now though.. :/ Workers don't get furlough the companies they work for do! " So they don't pay their employees then you say? I'm not sure what your point is? pretty sure the government who do the paying out of government money not the employer . | |||
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"I wouldn’t be surprised if Covid has given people cause to think about what they value in life and working long hours doing bullshit jobs with no prospects that won’t pay the bills, ain’t it. So sod it Go on social Furlough was great !! Why work when you gonna get paid to to stay at home Reduced rates School meals Food banks Free dental Free prescription Why go to work Need to earn £1000 a week to make it worth while!! Supply and demand. Provide meaningful fulfilling work, treat your employees as human beings instead of skivies, give them a career development plan, pay them a salary with paid holiday that they can live on with enough left over for hobbies and interests, and they’ll be hammering on your door for a job. So ask yourself what can you offer an employee, how can you make yourself an attractive employer. Your so wrong May 2 paid bank holidays Pensions legal right Minimum wage Sick pay Maternity pay Paternity pay Holiday pay Access to mental health professionals Still better off on universal credit You are quite right.. Whilst there are many deserving cases who have been thrown a lifeline with the furlough scheme there are unfortunately huge numbers who have taken more than 20k each ( so a married couple got 50k in some cases last year ) for doing absolutely nothing! .. Worst still the self employed who took the grant and have carried on working just as hard now all driving new cars or getting lots of home improvements . As someone who didn't qualify or need the furlough and have worked non stop since the start of Covid and no doubt who is going to get an increase in my tax rate because of the furlough payments needing to be paid back into the government coffers. I can't help feel they could have worked things out a bit fairer for everyone .. And as for the people who are self employed can't work and don't qualify for the self employed grant.. That's really very unfair on those people I think . Reality is anyone who could work and find a job should have done that.. So many now are used to doing nothing and getting paid for it unfortunately.. Especially now the finer weather is coming.. More beers and bbq in the garden! Course as I say there are some deserving cases.. But yiu can't help but wonder if it was some sort of guarantee of votes that was the real aim behind the very generous support scenes the govt handed out last year ? I don't think there's much anyone can do about it now though.. :/ Workers don't get furlough the companies they work for do! So they don't pay their employees then you say? I'm not sure what your point is? pretty sure the government who do the paying out of government money not the employer . " You made it sound like people on furlough were raking it in... My point was, we weren't... Any dodgy dealing with it are mostly down to the companies it gets paid to, not their employees | |||
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"I used to be involved with induction training for a handling agent at gatwick airport, the beginning of the course there was a room of 30 people. When they found out the shift patterns, the start times, the people they have to deal with. At the end only 5 people finished the course, 2 of them left in the first two weeks. Some people don't want to work hard for their pay. Or is it a case of boring meaningless work with no prospect of advancement on crap money that won’t pay the bills? Stop benefits See how crap money is then Maybe bring back Debtors' prison?" Maybe take a reality check? No. One owes anyone anything.. It's hard not to agree that there are far too many out there with a hand out looking for free money.. When there are some jobs out there you can work your way up in.. Reality is people in good jobs worked for them and made sacrifices in their lives and finances to get there. These days lots of opportunities out there on apprenticeship schemes which avoid the big debts a student had and still let's people achieve a qualification.. The issue is there are people who won't do anything to better themselves because it is easier to get paid for doing nothing.. It is really time this system was looked at and made a combination of more of a challenge to get so that really deserving people get it and that the benefits received are actually a realistic amount to help support someone back into work and keep the wolves from the door until they do. Consider if we had less false claimants out there there would be much more money to help support people who really need it :/ | |||
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"All jobs should be good jobs, regardless of what it's doing... It all needs to be done so why do people consider low paid jobs as crap... They wouldn't be if people were paid properly... What happens when everyone works up the ladder.... I don't bloody want to... I like my job... It should still pay me enough to live! " It should but because it clearly doesn't then its up to you to change that situation.. Its a bit like how burger flipping and working in a bar was never seen as a career choice.. Just a stopgap for money whilst doing something else.. Uni jobs, study, gap years whatever.. Similarly factory work through agencies etc same idea. That's why the pay was not great.. So most people knew that and did their best to make sure they moved on. Regardless of whether a job is good or bad the fact is that now there's opportunities everywhere to gain qualifications and work.. And by gaining qualifications you get to advance within your own work sector.. Team leader manager etc or you move to another career Staying put and hoping to get much more money just won't work because the whole system is designed for it not to  | |||
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"Figures last year after the first lock down were in the region of 1.2 million people some whom worked in the hospitality industry went home to Europe.. That's bound to have a knock on effect.." I was just going to say this. | |||
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"this is happening with care too it was hard to employ pre covid but now no one is interested its a real struggle to fill gaps we are the best paid in the area too and its not just carers its domestic and kitchen ... you would think with so many out of work that these would be easy jobs to fill" The unemployment rate hasn't actually gone up that much at all. When furlough ends it may be a different story. There has always been issues with recruitment in hospitality and care. | |||
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"Reading through these posts it's quite obvious that some people haven't realised unemployment in this country is actually really low and over 65% of all benefit claimants are actually in work. " We can't let facts get in the way of a good scroungers rant, Lorna! Goodness me. Facts! Who needs facts | |||
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"A friend of mine runs a pub, and he’s struggling to get staff, he’s been advertising for 6 weeks now and had 3 enquiries?? I thought people would be bombarded with cv’s with all the redundancies and businesses that have closed? He’s lost 4 staff as they found work elsewhere but only decided to tell him once furlough was ending, and one refused to come back as it seems harder work!!!! Has furlough spoiled some or has Covid make people more needy??" I'd be genuinely concerned about myself and the business I owned or ran if I couldn't attract staff, | |||
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"Reading through these posts it's quite obvious that some people haven't realised unemployment in this country is actually really low and over 65% of all benefit claimants are actually in work. We can't let facts get in the way of a good scroungers rant, Lorna! Goodness me. Facts! Who needs facts "Exactly! | |||
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"A lot of work shy people about they will change there tune when government stops there money If you can’t live on £8.91 per hr something wrong I did same job for £3.50 hr When did you do that job? Youre aware inflation exists right? 15 years ago I did same job I’m now employing people to do Wages gone up cost of living gone up no difference now to then Apart from I didn’t have an eye phone £100 pair of trainers Posh car on tick Ect Ect " with an attitude like that you could pay me £100 an hour and i still wouldn’t want to work for you luckily my employer respects its employees | |||
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"this is happening with care too it was hard to employ pre covid but now no one is interested its a real struggle to fill gaps we are the best paid in the area too and its not just carers its domestic and kitchen ... you would think with so many out of work that these would be easy jobs to fill The unemployment rate hasn't actually gone up that much at all. When furlough ends it may be a different story. There has always been issues with recruitment in hospitality and care. " Yep did 11 years or so in hospitality in Pubs and Hotel's. Constantly under staffed | |||
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"Reading through these posts it's quite obvious that some people haven't realised unemployment in this country is actually really low and over 65% of all benefit claimants are actually in work. " Well tbf if you are doing a 40 hour week you should be payed enough that you dont need Tax credits ect Goverment subsidising large corporations wages isnt on imo | |||
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"Reading through these posts it's quite obvious that some people haven't realised unemployment in this country is actually really low and over 65% of all benefit claimants are actually in work. Well tbf if you are doing a 40 hour week you should be payed enough that you dont need Tax credits ect Goverment subsidising large corporations wages isnt on imo" Totally agree. Iv just looked at the stats and 87% of all benefit claimants in the UK are either in work, have a long term disability or pensioners but some on this thread would have you believe they are all work shy scroungers. | |||
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"Hospitality and Care have always relied on migration of people, many of which are from overseas. Most have returned to their native countries, and there's not exactly a lot of international travel going on is there ? Many of these workers are also likely to be quite young, and very unlikely to have been vaccinated. So they won't be hoping on a plane any time soon, even if there were any. The amount of jobs out there is immense, and it's a job-hunter's market. It's actually nice to see employees in a strong position for a change, after many years of working in low-paid jobs for minimum wage. The net effect is companies have to compete more effectively in the recruitment and retention of staff. Offering nat. min wage simply won't cut it now in the new economic climate of staff scarcity. My friends boss may have to delay buying himself yet another Ferrari this year. He may also need to eat some humble pie when he mentioned at a Xmas party some years ago to my friend that, and I quote, "People like me take bigger risks, so we deserve all the toys. I create opportunity for my staff and create jobs". Dan Price, co-founder of Gravity Payments, took a $1m salary cut to pay all his staff a minimum $70k wage. Five years on, they are thriving. Google them and see how pretty much every Fortune 500 CEO isn't exactly enamoured with Dan Price's ideas. But they work. I think to survive, more than a few more companies are going to have to adopt Dan Price's ideas. Didn't the end of WW2 also see worker's wages rise due to staff scarcity? Yet we survived and prospered. If a business cannot afford to pay a living wage, they're not running a business, they're running a sweatshop. I'd also suggest their business model is fundamentally flawed too if it relies on low wages to "break even". That is not a sustainable business model, as we are now seeing. " | |||
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"All jobs should be good jobs, regardless of what it's doing... It all needs to be done so why do people consider low paid jobs as crap... They wouldn't be if people were paid properly... What happens when everyone works up the ladder.... I don't bloody want to... I like my job... It should still pay me enough to live! It should but because it clearly doesn't then its up to you to change that situation.. Its a bit like how burger flipping and working in a bar was never seen as a career choice.. Just a stopgap for money whilst doing something else.. Uni jobs, study, gap years whatever.. Similarly factory work through agencies etc same idea. That's why the pay was not great.. So most people knew that and did their best to make sure they moved on. Regardless of whether a job is good or bad the fact is that now there's opportunities everywhere to gain qualifications and work.. And by gaining qualifications you get to advance within your own work sector.. Team leader manager etc or you move to another career Staying put and hoping to get much more money just won't work because the whole system is designed for it not to "I didn't say I expect much more money... I should be able to expect enough to be able to live... Just because something has always been done doesn't make it right... These big companies can afford to pay people properly, they choose not to so their profits are massive and they can pay the people that do the least more and often people that do nothing | |||
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"Hospitality and Care have always relied on migration of people, many of which are from overseas. Most have returned to their native countries, and there's not exactly a lot of international travel going on is there ? Many of these workers are also likely to be quite young, and very unlikely to have been vaccinated. So they won't be hoping on a plane any time soon, even if there were any. The amount of jobs out there is immense, and it's a job-hunter's market. It's actually nice to see employees in a strong position for a change, after many years of working in low-paid jobs for minimum wage. The net effect is companies have to compete more effectively in the recruitment and retention of staff. Offering nat. min wage simply won't cut it now in the new economic climate of staff scarcity. My friends boss may have to delay buying himself yet another Ferrari this year. He may also need to eat some humble pie when he mentioned at a Xmas party some years ago to my friend that, and I quote, "People like me take bigger risks, so we deserve all the toys. I create opportunity for my staff and create jobs". Dan Price, co-founder of Gravity Payments, took a $1m salary cut to pay all his staff a minimum $70k wage. Five years on, they are thriving. Google them and see how pretty much every Fortune 500 CEO isn't exactly enamoured with Dan Price's ideas. But they work. I think to survive, more than a few more companies are going to have to adopt Dan Price's ideas. Didn't the end of WW2 also see worker's wages rise due to staff scarcity? Yet we survived and prospered. If a business cannot afford to pay a living wage, they're not running a business, they're running a sweatshop. I'd also suggest their business model is fundamentally flawed too if it relies on low wages to "break even". That is not a sustainable business model, as we are now seeing. " Our project works with the long term unemployment and we are inundated by requests from employers for staff more than we could ever hope to fill. We just don't have enough job ready job seekers to met demand. Care companies are offering free cars, insured just add petrol for personal use to any door to door carers and they still can't fill the posts. Many used overseas workers who due to covid and brexit have returned home and British workers won't accept the poor working terms and conditions now they know they are in demand. KJ | |||
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"Hospitality and Care have always relied on migration of people, many of which are from overseas. Most have returned to their native countries, and there's not exactly a lot of international travel going on is there ? Many of these workers are also likely to be quite young, and very unlikely to have been vaccinated. So they won't be hoping on a plane any time soon, even if there were any. The amount of jobs out there is immense, and it's a job-hunter's market. It's actually nice to see employees in a strong position for a change, after many years of working in low-paid jobs for minimum wage. The net effect is companies have to compete more effectively in the recruitment and retention of staff. Offering nat. min wage simply won't cut it now in the new economic climate of staff scarcity. My friends boss may have to delay buying himself yet another Ferrari this year. He may also need to eat some humble pie when he mentioned at a Xmas party some years ago to my friend that, and I quote, "People like me take bigger risks, so we deserve all the toys. I create opportunity for my staff and create jobs". Dan Price, co-founder of Gravity Payments, took a $1m salary cut to pay all his staff a minimum $70k wage. Five years on, they are thriving. Google them and see how pretty much every Fortune 500 CEO isn't exactly enamoured with Dan Price's ideas. But they work. I think to survive, more than a few more companies are going to have to adopt Dan Price's ideas. Didn't the end of WW2 also see worker's wages rise due to staff scarcity? Yet we survived and prospered. If a business cannot afford to pay a living wage, they're not running a business, they're running a sweatshop. I'd also suggest their business model is fundamentally flawed too if it relies on low wages to "break even". That is not a sustainable business model, as we are now seeing. " | |||
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"A lot of work shy people about they will change there tune when government stops there money If you can’t live on £8.91 per hr something wrong I did same job for £3.50 hr When did you do that job? Youre aware inflation exists right? 15 years ago I did same job I’m now employing people to do Wages gone up cost of living gone up no difference now to then Apart from I didn’t have an eye phone £100 pair of trainers Posh car on tick Ect Ect If you dont think the cost of living hasnt gone up in the last 5 years let alone 15 you are mad Try and read I said cost of living has gone up People think their better off with current wages but these no difference due to increase in cost of living I met an Australian on holiday He said we earn big money but a can of is $4 So we’re no better off That’s what I’m is aiming at ! Thats called inflation Whats your point? Why are you complaining if the minimum wage has gone up with the cost of living? Are you saying it shouldnt of done People could live on wage before so why not now Everything gone up together I could do it " Not correct. Price rises for things like rent, utilities, food etc have far outstripped the rise in wages. In the early 90s you could buy a home on a mortgage 3x avg salary with a small deposit. Not any longer. | |||
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"It's been 2 months looking for my apprentice to come back to help with on going jobs. No sign he's coming back. Not even new one. Fed up with taking irrelevant labourer to help me with wirings" Why has your apprentice not been working during the lockdown if your business has continued to operate? | |||
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"PAY PEANUTS GET MONKEYS! Don’t fall for the Daily Mail style crap. They blamed foreigners for depressing wages and used that as one of the poster boys to get people voting for Brexit. Now the EU workers have gone home and guess what - none of those companies want to raise the wages! So the target moves to blame workshy Brits!" | |||
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"I wouldn’t be surprised if Covid has given people cause to think about what they value in life and working long hours doing bullshit jobs with no prospects that won’t pay the bills, ain’t it. So sod it Go on social Furlough was great !! Why work when you gonna get paid to to stay at home Reduced rates School meals Food banks Free dental Free prescription Why go to work Need to earn £1000 a week to make it worth while!! Wow do you honestly think you get £1000pw on benefits...
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"I wouldn’t be surprised if Covid has given people cause to think about what they value in life and working long hours doing bullshit jobs with no prospects that won’t pay the bills, ain’t it. So sod it Go on social Furlough was great !! Why work when you gonna get paid to to stay at home Reduced rates School meals Food banks Free dental Free prescription Why go to work Need to earn £1000 a week to make it worth while!! Wow do you honestly think you get £1000pw on benefits...
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"I wouldn’t be surprised if Covid has given people cause to think about what they value in life and working long hours doing bullshit jobs with no prospects that won’t pay the bills, ain’t it. So sod it Go on social Furlough was great !! Why work when you gonna get paid to to stay at home Reduced rates School meals Food banks Free dental Free prescription Why go to work Need to earn £1000 a week to make it worth while!! Wow do you honestly think you get £1000pw on benefits...
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"I wouldn’t be surprised if Covid has given people cause to think about what they value in life and working long hours doing bullshit jobs with no prospects that won’t pay the bills, ain’t it. So sod it Go on social Furlough was great !! Why work when you gonna get paid to to stay at home Reduced rates School meals Food banks Free dental Free prescription Why go to work Need to earn £1000 a week to make it worth while!! Wow do you honestly think you get £1000pw on benefits...
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"A friend of mine runs a pub, and he’s struggling to get staff, he’s been advertising for 6 weeks now and had 3 enquiries?? I thought people would be bombarded with cv’s with all the redundancies and businesses that have closed? He’s lost 4 staff as they found work elsewhere but only decided to tell him once furlough was ending, and one refused to come back as it seems harder work!!!! Has furlough spoiled some or has Covid make people more needy??" What they probably meant to say is, it's harder work, for less pay during unsociable hours... I've heard several reports and it seems particularly prevalent amongst workers who have always worked in hospitality and have had to try something else, and found it better doing something else. Your friend will have difficulty changing the hours or workload, there's one thing he can change to make it more attractive to people though... | |||
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"A friend of mine runs a pub, and he’s struggling to get staff, he’s been advertising for 6 weeks now and had 3 enquiries?? I thought people would be bombarded with cv’s with all the redundancies and businesses that have closed? He’s lost 4 staff as they found work elsewhere but only decided to tell him once furlough was ending, and one refused to come back as it seems harder work!!!! Has furlough spoiled some or has Covid make people more needy??" I don't get this but I am having an odd day today, why would covid make a person needy enough to not want to do a job? It sounds like some of his staff decided to do another job instead. There is nothing wrong with that. For other people who don't want to apply, depends on the hours/ days etc, at the moment when things are up in the air he may not be offering enough for people to pack in a job to take his or for them to be able to live. Lots of factors would in play here | |||
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"I’m of the view that living on the dole should be a valid lifestyle choice for some people. Yes they’ll waste their lives, not have nice things, etc, etc, but if that’s what they want to do let them. Daily Mail readers bang on about benefit scroungers but the costs of the unemployed or even the very small number of people ‘fiddling’ the system is tiny, insignificant, an absolute nothing compared to the financial dodging and system gaming of the top 2%. These people hide their money off-shore to avoid tax or they are the massively profiteering companies that register their HQ on some volcanic island to avoid paying tax where they conduct their business. Where has the wealth of governments gone? It’s migrated to the wealthy elite where it does nothing. Imagine we had a liveable universal basic income that freed up people from the obligation to do bullshit jobs or face benefit sanctions. We would have an incredible burst of creativity spanning the arts, and leisure sectors. The cold dead hand of capitalism just crushes those at the bottom for the benefit of the top and every ten years capitalism has to be bailed out by the state and repaid by those who can’t afford it and don’t prosper from it. Rant over"
I would suggest the amount of "corporate scrounging" and "state subsidies" far outweighs and is more insidious than any other "scrounging" at the other end of the spectrum.
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"I’m of the view that living on the dole should be a valid lifestyle choice for some people. Yes they’ll waste their lives, not have nice things, etc, etc, but if that’s what they want to do let them. Daily Mail readers bang on about benefit scroungers but the costs of the unemployed or even the very small number of people ‘fiddling’ the system is tiny, insignificant, an absolute nothing compared to the financial dodging and system gaming of the top 2%. These people hide their money off-shore to avoid tax or they are the massively profiteering companies that register their HQ on some volcanic island to avoid paying tax where they conduct their business. Where has the wealth of governments gone? It’s migrated to the wealthy elite where it does nothing. Imagine we had a liveable universal basic income that freed up people from the obligation to do bullshit jobs or face benefit sanctions. We would have an incredible burst of creativity spanning the arts, and leisure sectors. The cold dead hand of capitalism just crushes those at the bottom for the benefit of the top and every ten years capitalism has to be bailed out by the state and repaid by those who can’t afford it and don’t prosper from it. Rant over
I would suggest the amount of "corporate scrounging" and "state subsidies" far outweighs and is more insidious than any other "scrounging" at the other end of the spectrum.
The Ultra Right Wing brigade are by far the most prolific scroungers of all, yet deny the poor the few remaining crumbs that are left on the floor."Well if you are "ultra" rightwing you would want a small goverment and no welfare sysytem. So im not sure how they would scrounge from a welfare system that wouldnt exist | |||
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"Haven't read the whole thread, but can see it's descended into some kind of race war. I work with people in prison. One of the biggest things that would stop people reoffending is having a stable income, a sense of pride. But no one will employ them. Kind of a catch 22." And yet the costs of prison and the costs from reoffending far outweigh the costs of re-education and rehabilitation, or costs of providing support to society to prevent offending in the first place. But the Daily Mail Pearl Clutchers have to get their satisfaction that somebody is ‘punished’ irrespective of the costs to that person or society. | |||
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"I can assure you they are I don't believe that would be true. If being on the dole was so lucrative there would be many more people on it " A lot of their names begin with s I can’t say more because I’ll be accused of being racist She hasn’t disclosed names or details to me obviously due to data protection ect But she has has said I wouldn’t believe what people are claiming She’s earning much less processing their claims | |||
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"I can assure you they are I don't believe that would be true. If being on the dole was so lucrative there would be many more people on it A lot of their names begin with s I can’t say more because I’ll be accused of being racist She hasn’t disclosed names or details to me obviously due to data protection ect But she has has said I wouldn’t believe what people are claiming She’s earning much less processing their claims " Pahahahahaa! I'm not racist but.... | |||
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"I can assure you they are I don't believe that would be true. If being on the dole was so lucrative there would be many more people on it A lot of their names begin with s I can’t say more because I’ll be accused of being racist She hasn’t disclosed names or details to me obviously due to data protection ect But she has has said I wouldn’t believe what people are claiming She’s earning much less processing their claims " And are these people who ethnicity you're concerned about revealing well known to cohabit in large extended family groups, meaning the claim, although large, will be covering far more people than you typical white British household would contain... When you break that total down to individual family members the total per person is probably the same. Just because it is a single claim, doesn't mean it is for a single person. You ignore the facts and cherry pick figures that suit your narrative. | |||
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"I can assure you they are I don't believe that would be true. If being on the dole was so lucrative there would be many more people on it A lot of their names begin with s I can’t say more because I’ll be accused of being racist She hasn’t disclosed names or details to me obviously due to data protection ect But she has has said I wouldn’t believe what people are claiming She’s earning much less processing their claims Pahahahahaa! I'm not racist but.... " | |||
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"I can assure you they are I don't believe that would be true. If being on the dole was so lucrative there would be many more people on it A lot of their names begin with s I can’t say more because I’ll be accused of being racist She hasn’t disclosed names or details to me obviously due to data protection ect But she has has said I wouldn’t believe what people are claiming She’s earning much less processing their claims And are these people who ethnicity you're concerned about revealing well known to cohabit in large extended family groups, meaning the claim, although large, will be covering far more people than you typical white British household would contain... When you break that total down to individual family members the total per person is probably the same. Just because it is a single claim, doesn't mean it is for a single person. You ignore the facts and cherry pick figures that suit your narrative. " | |||
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"Haven't read the whole thread, but can see it's descended into some kind of race war. I work with people in prison. One of the biggest things that would stop people reoffending is having a stable income, a sense of pride. But no one will employ them. Kind of a catch 22. And yet the costs of prison and the costs from reoffending far outweigh the costs of re-education and rehabilitation, or costs of providing support to society to prevent offending in the first place. But the Daily Mail Pearl Clutchers have to get their satisfaction that somebody is ‘punished’ irrespective of the costs to that person or society."My biggest bug bear. If we stop sending people to prison for petty ass offences, and focus on rehab and community sentences instead of prison, we could save the country a fortune, as well as solving a myriad of socio-economic issues. But that doesn't win votes. | |||
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"Haven't read the whole thread, but can see it's descended into some kind of race war. I work with people in prison. One of the biggest things that would stop people reoffending is having a stable income, a sense of pride. But no one will employ them. Kind of a catch 22. And yet the costs of prison and the costs from reoffending far outweigh the costs of re-education and rehabilitation, or costs of providing support to society to prevent offending in the first place. But the Daily Mail Pearl Clutchers have to get their satisfaction that somebody is ‘punished’ irrespective of the costs to that person or society.
My biggest bug bear. If we stop sending people to prison for petty ass offences, and focus on rehab and community sentences instead of prison, we could save the country a fortune, as well as solving a myriad of socio-economic issues.
But that doesn't win votes. "That did not work in the 80s crime was rife then. People were basically committing crime nothing they would just get a slap on the wrist or having there previous 30 arrests squashed for 1 prison term. I lived through those days on a council estate and spent many a night sleeping in the living room to protect our property. | |||
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"I can assure you they are I don't believe that would be true. If being on the dole was so lucrative there would be many more people on it A lot of their names begin with s I can’t say more because I’ll be accused of being racist She hasn’t disclosed names or details to me obviously due to data protection ect But she has has said I wouldn’t believe what people are claiming She’s earning much less processing their claims " Yeah I have no clue what the s stands for...but I still don't believe it | |||
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"I used to be involved with induction training for a handling agent at gatwick airport, the beginning of the course there was a room of 30 people. When they found out the shift patterns, the start times, the people they have to deal with. At the end only 5 people finished the course, 2 of them left in the first two weeks. Some people don't want to work hard for their pay. Or is it a case of boring meaningless work with no prospect of advancement on crap money that won’t pay the bills?" One company I used to take home £600 a week, I did 20 hours of overtime to get that. It was worth doing the overtime, as you got sent home a bit earlier (2 hours) sometimes and still got paid. | |||
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"I used to be involved with induction training for a handling agent at gatwick airport, the beginning of the course there was a room of 30 people. When they found out the shift patterns, the start times, the people they have to deal with. At the end only 5 people finished the course, 2 of them left in the first two weeks. Some people don't want to work hard for their pay. Or is it a case of boring meaningless work with no prospect of advancement on crap money that won’t pay the bills? One company I used to take home £600 a week, I did 20 hours of overtime to get that. It was worth doing the overtime, as you got sent home a bit earlier (2 hours) sometimes and still got paid." Few companies pay overtime now. I don't get a single penny for working over my 37.5hrs a week and I regularly DO work more because there's too much to be done. | |||
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"I wouldn’t be surprised if Covid has given people cause to think about what they value in life and working long hours doing bullshit jobs with no prospects that won’t pay the bills, ain’t it. So sod it Go on social Furlough was great !! Why work when you gonna get paid to to stay at home Reduced rates School meals Food banks Free dental Free prescription Why go to work Need to earn £1000 a week to make it worth while!! Supply and demand. Provide meaningful fulfilling work, treat your employees as human beings instead of skivies, give them a career development plan, pay them a salary with paid holiday that they can live on with enough left over for hobbies and interests, and they’ll be hammering on your door for a job. So ask yourself what can you offer an employee, how can you make yourself an attractive employer. Your so wrong May 2 paid bank holidays Pensions legal right Minimum wage Sick pay Maternity pay Paternity pay Holiday pay Access to mental health professionals Still better off on universal credit " So pay more then the minimum wage it's a minimum you can pay more. Do you pay for taxi home so staff are safe if it's late or dark If you need staff you have to get them in to you. | |||
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"I used to be involved with induction training for a handling agent at gatwick airport, the beginning of the course there was a room of 30 people. When they found out the shift patterns, the start times, the people they have to deal with. At the end only 5 people finished the course, 2 of them left in the first two weeks. Some people don't want to work hard for their pay. Or is it a case of boring meaningless work with no prospect of advancement on crap money that won’t pay the bills? One company I used to take home £600 a week, I did 20 hours of overtime to get that. It was worth doing the overtime, as you got sent home a bit earlier (2 hours) sometimes and still got paid. Few companies pay overtime now. I don't get a single penny for working over my 37.5hrs a week and I regularly DO work more because there's too much to be done." No i never did also when i was on a salary. Atleast when i was paid per hour i was payed for the hours i worked which i have been known to work 80+ hours a week. Only time we got any extra pay was Xmas day which they tried to take away from us and make us work a longer day by about 6 hours anyway | |||
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"what concerns me who is going to keep them the state? Well they should lose all there benefits that would get them back to work. " Financial Year 2012-2013 Corporate Welfare Bill : £93 Billion (very conservative estimate detailed below) - Subsidies and grants: £14.5bn - Corporate tax benefits: £44bn - Hidden transport subsidies: £15bn - Energy subsidies: £3.8bn - Insurance, advice and advocacy services: £406m - Government procurement from the private sector: £15bn but overall spend £238 billion State Welfare Spending: £118 Billion Businesses are the biggest recipients of "Welfare Spending", and in 2012-2013, added approx £3500 to every households tax bill. I dread to think what it is now. So basically carrots for the businesses, but sticks for the welfare claimants. The real scroungers are not living on the dole at our expense. You've been conned and fed a lie. Distraction politics. Google Corporate Welfare Watch. | |||
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"I wouldn’t be surprised if Covid has given people cause to think about what they value in life and working long hours doing bullshit jobs with no prospects that won’t pay the bills, ain’t it. So sod it Go on social Furlough was great !! Why work when you gonna get paid to to stay at home Reduced rates School meals Food banks Free dental Free prescription Why go to work Need to earn £1000 a week to make it worth while!! Supply and demand. Provide meaningful fulfilling work, treat your employees as human beings instead of skivies, give them a career development plan, pay them a salary with paid holiday that they can live on with enough left over for hobbies and interests, and they’ll be hammering on your door for a job. So ask yourself what can you offer an employee, how can you make yourself an attractive employer. Your so wrong May 2 paid bank holidays Pensions legal right Minimum wage Sick pay Maternity pay Paternity pay Holiday pay Access to mental health professionals Still better off on universal credit So pay more then the minimum wage it's a minimum you can pay more. Do you pay for taxi home so staff are safe if it's late or dark If you need staff you have to get them in to you." So retail employment 8 till 5.30 or 6 till 5.30 for those that want it No need for taxi busses cars shanksys pony 4 staff at £8.91 rent electric rates till rolls waste every supermarket trying to sell produce for the cheapest price possible while putting the discount on to the hundreds of different lines they have Working for less than I pay staff And you wonder why there’s no butchers bakers green grocers left on the high street | |||
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"A friend of mine runs a pub, and he’s struggling to get staff, he’s been advertising for 6 weeks now and had 3 enquiries?? I thought people would be bombarded with cv’s with all the redundancies and businesses that have closed? He’s lost 4 staff as they found work elsewhere but only decided to tell him once furlough was ending, and one refused to come back as it seems harder work!!!! Has furlough spoiled some or has Covid make people more needy??" The marketplace is weird at the moment. I work for the IT department of a very well known consumer rights org and I've struggled to recruit, largely because the market is booming in certain areas. The decentralised nature of roles is a dual edged sword. Perhaps they had other aspirations and it took the last year to kick their arse into gear? A lot of people have been shaken from their apathy and moved on to bigger and better things. The jobs market is surprisingly healthy in some sectors (and terrible in others, of that I'm fully cognisant). Sounds like they maybe reassessed their lives and thought they could do better... | |||
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