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"Whatever risks there are, they exist, and they're smaller than the risk of Covid. The blood clot thing - most vaccines have risks on that sort of order. No medical intervention is risk free. I have a family member who suffered a life threatening vaccine reaction (not Covid). It's a one in a million chance or less. I have my vaccines to protect him and people like him. If I'm one of the people who have the reaction - or any other reaction - then that's the luck of the draw. I could also be hit by a bus tomorrow and ditto." I understand but this is exactly my point, there always will be that one and I just don't want to be that person 
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"Whatever risks there are, they exist, and they're smaller than the risk of Covid. The blood clot thing - most vaccines have risks on that sort of order. No medical intervention is risk free. I have a family member who suffered a life threatening vaccine reaction (not Covid). It's a one in a million chance or less. I have my vaccines to protect him and people like him. If I'm one of the people who have the reaction - or any other reaction - then that's the luck of the draw. I could also be hit by a bus tomorrow and ditto. I understand but this is exactly my point, there always will be that one and I just don't want to be that person
old vaccines I would take without a doubt but new, I am anxious and also why they have to be made differently"The old vaccines have similar risks. I don't want to be that person either, but if the chance is one in a million (I think the blood clots are less), then it's a 999,999 in a million chance that you won't be that person. Blood clots and other dangerous symptoms are *way* more likely if you have Covid (39 in a million according to a quick Google) - plus all the other shit you don't want from getting Covid. They used different technology because it was quicker and quicker to scale up. But the Oxford vaccine type has been trialled in about a quarter of a million patients before Covid, and the mRNA stuff has been in development for 30 years. It's only new to us lay people. | |||
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"I am not an "anti vaxer" at all, just very cautious about the new ones and to be honest if I am to take one, I prefer to wait, maybe even 2-3 years? Who knows I might change my mind but anyone else has some concerns? I know they say small numbers get blood clots but they have been banned for short time for a reason and what if you end up being that one that gets blood clots? is anyone corcened about this at all? (not looking to be convinced, just seeing if anyone else has any doubts)" Would you be happy to have the country in lockdown for those 2-3 years? | |||
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"Whatever risks there are, they exist, and they're smaller than the risk of Covid. The blood clot thing - most vaccines have risks on that sort of order. No medical intervention is risk free. I have a family member who suffered a life threatening vaccine reaction (not Covid). It's a one in a million chance or less. I have my vaccines to protect him and people like him. If I'm one of the people who have the reaction - or any other reaction - then that's the luck of the draw. I could also be hit by a bus tomorrow and ditto. I understand but this is exactly my point, there always will be that one and I just don't want to be that person
old vaccines I would take without a doubt but new, I am anxious and also why they have to be made differently"You could have a reaction to an "old" vaccine or to any medication your doctor prescribes. I don't understand this sort of response "I don't want to be the one in a million". No, nor do I, but put into context, you're many times more likely to develop a blood clot after your holiday flight than from a vaccine, yet how many people refuse to fly on that basis (when holidays and flights were do-able)? Look in any medication, no matter how old or new, and there's possible negative effects or side effects, categorised from very common (likelihood more than 1 in 10) to very rare (fewer than 1 in 10,000). From a patient information leaflet of paracetamol tablets, 500g: Possible side effects Like all medicines, this medicine can cause side effects, although not everybody gets them. Tell your doctor if you notice any of the following side effects or notice any other effects not listed: • Allergic reactions - skin rash • Blood - changes in numbers and types of blood cells. If you have an increase in the number of nose bleeds, notice that you bruise more easily or have more infections, talk to your doctor. Very rare cases of serious skin reactions have been reported Info on side effects from the NHS, including how to interpret the risk figures: https://www.nhs.uk/common-health-questions/medicines/what-are-side-effects/ | |||
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"Whatever risks there are, they exist, and they're smaller than the risk of Covid. The blood clot thing - most vaccines have risks on that sort of order. No medical intervention is risk free. I have a family member who suffered a life threatening vaccine reaction (not Covid). It's a one in a million chance or less. I have my vaccines to protect him and people like him. If I'm one of the people who have the reaction - or any other reaction - then that's the luck of the draw. I could also be hit by a bus tomorrow and ditto. I understand but this is exactly my point, there always will be that one and I just don't want to be that person
old vaccines I would take without a doubt but new, I am anxious and also why they have to be made differently
The old vaccines have similar risks.
I don't want to be that person either, but if the chance is one in a million (I think the blood clots are less), then it's a 999,999 in a million chance that you won't be that person. Blood clots and other dangerous symptoms are *way* more likely if you have Covid (39 in a million according to a quick Google) - plus all the other shit you don't want from getting Covid.
They used different technology because it was quicker and quicker to scale up. But the Oxford vaccine type has been trialled in about a quarter of a million patients before Covid, and the mRNA stuff has been in development for 30 years. It's only new to us lay people."Thankfully I am safer than most, always keeping safe and avoiding crowds of people so very unlikely that I would ever catch it. I also have a huge concern how vaccinated people can still get covid and why is there no compensation for vaccine side effects I would surely take it if I knew that everyone after 10 years is fine as old vaccine took that long to be tested and developed, but maybe is it worth some wait? | |||
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"Whatever risks there are, they exist, and they're smaller than the risk of Covid. The blood clot thing - most vaccines have risks on that sort of order. No medical intervention is risk free. I have a family member who suffered a life threatening vaccine reaction (not Covid). It's a one in a million chance or less. I have my vaccines to protect him and people like him. If I'm one of the people who have the reaction - or any other reaction - then that's the luck of the draw. I could also be hit by a bus tomorrow and ditto. I understand but this is exactly my point, there always will be that one and I just don't want to be that person
old vaccines I would take without a doubt but new, I am anxious and also why they have to be made differently"you said you don’t want to be convinced so there is no point having a conversation with you , but i would suggest you go and do some real research because your fears are based in misunderstanding of facts and risks that you do know about, and black boxes of not knowing the story so filling it with your own anxiety instead only gaining the correct knowledge will help you to resolve that | |||
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" I would surely take it if I knew that everyone after 10 years is fine as old vaccine took that long to be tested and developed, but maybe is it worth some wait?" No, "old" vaccines were not tested for 10 years. These vaccines have undergone exactly the same testing as every other drug licensed. | |||
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"Whatever risks there are, they exist, and they're smaller than the risk of Covid. The blood clot thing - most vaccines have risks on that sort of order. No medical intervention is risk free. I have a family member who suffered a life threatening vaccine reaction (not Covid). It's a one in a million chance or less. I have my vaccines to protect him and people like him. If I'm one of the people who have the reaction - or any other reaction - then that's the luck of the draw. I could also be hit by a bus tomorrow and ditto. I understand but this is exactly my point, there always will be that one and I just don't want to be that person
old vaccines I would take without a doubt but new, I am anxious and also why they have to be made differently
You could have a reaction to an "old" vaccine or to any medication your doctor prescribes. I don't understand this sort of response "I don't want to be the one in a million". No, nor do I, but put into context, you're many times more likely to develop a blood clot after your holiday flight than from a vaccine, yet how many people refuse to fly on that basis (when holidays and flights were do-able)?
Look in any medication, no matter how old or new, and there's possible negative effects or side effects, categorised from very common (likelihood more than 1 in 10) to very rare (fewer than 1 in 10,000).
From a patient information leaflet of paracetamol tablets, 500g:
Possible side effects
Like all medicines, this medicine can cause side
effects, although not everybody gets them.
Tell your doctor if you notice any of the
following side effects or notice any other effects
not listed:
• Allergic reactions - skin rash • Blood - changes in numbers and types of blood
cells. If you have an increase in the number of
nose bleeds, notice that you bruise more easily
or have more infections, talk to your doctor.
Very rare cases of serious skin reactions have
been reported
Info on side effects from the NHS, including how to interpret the risk figures: https://www.nhs.uk/common-health-questions/medicines/what-are-side-effects/"yes but thankfully parecetamal does not go into your muscles and it has been with us for many years | |||
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"Whatever risks there are, they exist, and they're smaller than the risk of Covid. The blood clot thing - most vaccines have risks on that sort of order. No medical intervention is risk free. I have a family member who suffered a life threatening vaccine reaction (not Covid). It's a one in a million chance or less. I have my vaccines to protect him and people like him. If I'm one of the people who have the reaction - or any other reaction - then that's the luck of the draw. I could also be hit by a bus tomorrow and ditto. I understand but this is exactly my point, there always will be that one and I just don't want to be that person
old vaccines I would take without a doubt but new, I am anxious and also why they have to be made differently
You could have a reaction to an "old" vaccine or to any medication your doctor prescribes. I don't understand this sort of response "I don't want to be the one in a million". No, nor do I, but put into context, you're many times more likely to develop a blood clot after your holiday flight than from a vaccine, yet how many people refuse to fly on that basis (when holidays and flights were do-able)?
Look in any medication, no matter how old or new, and there's possible negative effects or side effects, categorised from very common (likelihood more than 1 in 10) to very rare (fewer than 1 in 10,000).
From a patient information leaflet of paracetamol tablets, 500g:
Possible side effects
Like all medicines, this medicine can cause side
effects, although not everybody gets them.
Tell your doctor if you notice any of the
following side effects or notice any other effects
not listed:
• Allergic reactions - skin rash • Blood - changes in numbers and types of blood
cells. If you have an increase in the number of
nose bleeds, notice that you bruise more easily
or have more infections, talk to your doctor.
Very rare cases of serious skin reactions have
been reported
Info on side effects from the NHS, including how to interpret the risk figures: https://www.nhs.uk/common-health-questions/medicines/what-are-side-effects/
yes but thankfully parecetamal does not go into your muscles and it has been with us for many years"No, it goes to your liver instead  | |||
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"Whatever risks there are, they exist, and they're smaller than the risk of Covid. The blood clot thing - most vaccines have risks on that sort of order. No medical intervention is risk free. I have a family member who suffered a life threatening vaccine reaction (not Covid). It's a one in a million chance or less. I have my vaccines to protect him and people like him. If I'm one of the people who have the reaction - or any other reaction - then that's the luck of the draw. I could also be hit by a bus tomorrow and ditto. I understand but this is exactly my point, there always will be that one and I just don't want to be that person
old vaccines I would take without a doubt but new, I am anxious and also why they have to be made differently
The old vaccines have similar risks.
I don't want to be that person either, but if the chance is one in a million (I think the blood clots are less), then it's a 999,999 in a million chance that you won't be that person. Blood clots and other dangerous symptoms are *way* more likely if you have Covid (39 in a million according to a quick Google) - plus all the other shit you don't want from getting Covid.
They used different technology because it was quicker and quicker to scale up. But the Oxford vaccine type has been trialled in about a quarter of a million patients before Covid, and the mRNA stuff has been in development for 30 years. It's only new to us lay people.
Thankfully I am safer than most, always keeping safe and avoiding crowds of people so very unlikely that I would ever catch it. I also have a huge concern how vaccinated people can still get covid and why is there no compensation for vaccine side effects
I would surely take it if I knew that everyone after 10 years is fine as old vaccine took that long to be tested and developed, but maybe is it worth some wait?"There is a vaccine compensation scheme and Covid is on it the same as any other vaccine. Almost all vaccines don't prevent infection, but they reduce infection and reduce symptoms. These vaccines have gone through the same safety and efficacy checks as any other vaccines. Are you prepared to stay away from people for ten years? What are you prepared to do to get us out of this crisis? It's on every single one of us. Without vaccination, distancing is the only way. | |||
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"Whatever risks there are, they exist, and they're smaller than the risk of Covid. The blood clot thing - most vaccines have risks on that sort of order. No medical intervention is risk free. I have a family member who suffered a life threatening vaccine reaction (not Covid). It's a one in a million chance or less. I have my vaccines to protect him and people like him. If I'm one of the people who have the reaction - or any other reaction - then that's the luck of the draw. I could also be hit by a bus tomorrow and ditto. I understand but this is exactly my point, there always will be that one and I just don't want to be that person
old vaccines I would take without a doubt but new, I am anxious and also why they have to be made differently
You could have a reaction to an "old" vaccine or to any medication your doctor prescribes. I don't understand this sort of response "I don't want to be the one in a million". No, nor do I, but put into context, you're many times more likely to develop a blood clot after your holiday flight than from a vaccine, yet how many people refuse to fly on that basis (when holidays and flights were do-able)?
Look in any medication, no matter how old or new, and there's possible negative effects or side effects, categorised from very common (likelihood more than 1 in 10) to very rare (fewer than 1 in 10,000).
From a patient information leaflet of paracetamol tablets, 500g:
Possible side effects
Like all medicines, this medicine can cause side
effects, although not everybody gets them.
Tell your doctor if you notice any of the
following side effects or notice any other effects
not listed:
• Allergic reactions - skin rash • Blood - changes in numbers and types of blood
cells. If you have an increase in the number of
nose bleeds, notice that you bruise more easily
or have more infections, talk to your doctor.
Very rare cases of serious skin reactions have
been reported
Info on side effects from the NHS, including how to interpret the risk figures: https://www.nhs.uk/common-health-questions/medicines/what-are-side-effects/
yes but thankfully parecetamal does not go into your muscles and it has been with us for many years"A vaccine teaches your body to respond to a pathogen. After that the stuff breaks down. | |||
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"yes but thankfully parecetamal does not go into your muscles and it has been with us for many years" What does muscle have to do with anything? It gets into your blood, your brain, your everything when digested... | |||
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"yes but thankfully parecetamal does not go into your muscles and it has been with us for many years What does muscle have to do with anything? It gets into your blood, your brain, your everything when digested..." but still I know I can trust paracetamon 100%, while vaccine, not sure at all | |||
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"yes but thankfully parecetamal does not go into your muscles and it has been with us for many years What does muscle have to do with anything? It gets into your blood, your brain, your everything when digested... but still I know I can trust paracetamon 100%, while vaccine, not sure at all" In 2019, 211 people died from taking paracetamol. | |||
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"Whatever risks there are, they exist, and they're smaller than the risk of Covid. The blood clot thing - most vaccines have risks on that sort of order. No medical intervention is risk free. I have a family member who suffered a life threatening vaccine reaction (not Covid). It's a one in a million chance or less. I have my vaccines to protect him and people like him. If I'm one of the people who have the reaction - or any other reaction - then that's the luck of the draw. I could also be hit by a bus tomorrow and ditto. I understand but this is exactly my point, there always will be that one and I just don't want to be that person
old vaccines I would take without a doubt but new, I am anxious and also why they have to be made differently
You could have a reaction to an "old" vaccine or to any medication your doctor prescribes. I don't understand this sort of response "I don't want to be the one in a million". No, nor do I, but put into context, you're many times more likely to develop a blood clot after your holiday flight than from a vaccine, yet how many people refuse to fly on that basis (when holidays and flights were do-able)?
Look in any medication, no matter how old or new, and there's possible negative effects or side effects, categorised from very common (likelihood more than 1 in 10) to very rare (fewer than 1 in 10,000).
From a patient information leaflet of paracetamol tablets, 500g:
Possible side effects
Like all medicines, this medicine can cause side
effects, although not everybody gets them.
Tell your doctor if you notice any of the
following side effects or notice any other effects
not listed:
• Allergic reactions - skin rash • Blood - changes in numbers and types of blood
cells. If you have an increase in the number of
nose bleeds, notice that you bruise more easily
or have more infections, talk to your doctor.
Very rare cases of serious skin reactions have
been reported
Info on side effects from the NHS, including how to interpret the risk figures: https://www.nhs.uk/common-health-questions/medicines/what-are-side-effects/
yes but thankfully parecetamal does not go into your muscles and it has been with us for many years"Oh dear lord. I despair. | |||
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"yes but thankfully parecetamal does not go into your muscles and it has been with us for many years What does muscle have to do with anything? It gets into your blood, your brain, your everything when digested... but still I know I can trust paracetamon 100%, while vaccine, not sure at all" the point is you can’t trust paracetamol (or anything else) 100% but your lack of understanding has told you one is safer just because it existed longer you could just as easily be the 1 in a million that something went wrong with paracetamol , with the mmr when you got it , you could more easily get a blood clot getting on a flight you could more easily contract covid and get a blood clot and negative side effects the odds of these risks that people attach to things are for a reason - so they can be rationally weighed up against each other and understood in context | |||
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its irresponsible clickbait sensationalist crap without context and facts to allow people to understand the fuller story that lead to people having these genuine misunderstandings and fears  i despair | |||
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"threads like this honestly would push me into the camp for media regulation its irresponsible clickbait sensationalist crap without context and facts to allow people to understand the fuller story that lead to people having these genuine misunderstandings and fears i despair"I'm contemplating going to live in a cave, on a mountain, miles away from anyone, after this is over. | |||
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"threads like this honestly would push me into the camp for media regulation its irresponsible clickbait sensationalist crap without context and facts to allow people to understand the fuller story that lead to people having these genuine misunderstandings and fears i despair"hmmm wrong emoji use lol  | |||
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"Whatever risks there are, they exist, and they're smaller than the risk of Covid. The blood clot thing - most vaccines have risks on that sort of order. No medical intervention is risk free. I have a family member who suffered a life threatening vaccine reaction (not Covid). It's a one in a million chance or less. I have my vaccines to protect him and people like him. If I'm one of the people who have the reaction - or any other reaction - then that's the luck of the draw. I could also be hit by a bus tomorrow and ditto." If you get hit by a bus within 28 days of..... Etc... | |||
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"Whatever risks there are, they exist, and they're smaller than the risk of Covid. The blood clot thing - most vaccines have risks on that sort of order. No medical intervention is risk free. I have a family member who suffered a life threatening vaccine reaction (not Covid). It's a one in a million chance or less. I have my vaccines to protect him and people like him. If I'm one of the people who have the reaction - or any other reaction - then that's the luck of the draw. I could also be hit by a bus tomorrow and ditto. If you get hit by a bus within 28 days of..... Etc... " One of the side effects listed in the Moderna vaccine - someone got hit by lightning. ... Yeah I'm serious | |||
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"Whatever risks there are, they exist, and they're smaller than the risk of Covid. The blood clot thing - most vaccines have risks on that sort of order. No medical intervention is risk free. I have a family member who suffered a life threatening vaccine reaction (not Covid). It's a one in a million chance or less. I have my vaccines to protect him and people like him. If I'm one of the people who have the reaction - or any other reaction - then that's the luck of the draw. I could also be hit by a bus tomorrow and ditto. I understand but this is exactly my point, there always will be that one and I just don't want to be that person
old vaccines I would take without a doubt but new, I am anxious and also why they have to be made differently
The old vaccines have similar risks.
I don't want to be that person either, but if the chance is one in a million (I think the blood clots are less), then it's a 999,999 in a million chance that you won't be that person. Blood clots and other dangerous symptoms are *way* more likely if you have Covid (39 in a million according to a quick Google) - plus all the other shit you don't want from getting Covid.
They used different technology because it was quicker and quicker to scale up. But the Oxford vaccine type has been trialled in about a quarter of a million patients before Covid, and the mRNA stuff has been in development for 30 years. It's only new to us lay people.
Thankfully I am safer than most, always keeping safe and avoiding crowds of people so very unlikely that I would ever catch it. I also have a huge concern how vaccinated people can still get covid and why is there no compensation for vaccine side effects
I would surely take it if I knew that everyone after 10 years is fine as old vaccine took that long to be tested and developed, but maybe is it worth some wait?"Covid isn't going anywhere there will be some years worse than others same as any virus, vaccination has to have an impact! As far as side affects there will always be the odd extreme case | |||
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"Whatever risks there are, they exist, and they're smaller than the risk of Covid. The blood clot thing - most vaccines have risks on that sort of order. No medical intervention is risk free. I have a family member who suffered a life threatening vaccine reaction (not Covid). It's a one in a million chance or less. I have my vaccines to protect him and people like him. If I'm one of the people who have the reaction - or any other reaction - then that's the luck of the draw. I could also be hit by a bus tomorrow and ditto. I understand but this is exactly my point, there always will be that one and I just don't want to be that person
old vaccines I would take without a doubt but new, I am anxious and also why they have to be made differently
The old vaccines have similar risks.
I don't want to be that person either, but if the chance is one in a million (I think the blood clots are less), then it's a 999,999 in a million chance that you won't be that person. Blood clots and other dangerous symptoms are *way* more likely if you have Covid (39 in a million according to a quick Google) - plus all the other shit you don't want from getting Covid.
They used different technology because it was quicker and quicker to scale up. But the Oxford vaccine type has been trialled in about a quarter of a million patients before Covid, and the mRNA stuff has been in development for 30 years. It's only new to us lay people.
Thankfully I am safer than most, always keeping safe and avoiding crowds of people so very unlikely that I would ever catch it. I also have a huge concern how vaccinated people can still get covid and why is there no compensation for vaccine side effects
I would surely take it if I knew that everyone after 10 years is fine as old vaccine took that long to be tested and developed, but maybe is it worth some wait?
Covid isn't going anywhere there will be some years worse than others same as any virus, vaccination has to have an impact! As far as side affects there will always be the odd extreme case"How wonderfully put | |||
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"yes but thankfully parecetamal does not go into your muscles and it has been with us for many years What does muscle have to do with anything? It gets into your blood, your brain, your everything when digested... but still I know I can trust paracetamon 100%, while vaccine, not sure at all In 2019, 211 people died from taking paracetamol." Facts like those are irrelevant swing when it comes to peoples irrational fears based on a lack of knowledge and understanding. You could tell him every time he takes paracetamol he is more likely to die than he would by having the vaccine but it isn't going to make a difference. He is clearly closed himself off from objectively assessing the facts, data and the science. KJ | |||
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" but still I know I can trust paracetamon 100%, while vaccine, not sure at all" How did you know the first time you took it that you could trust paracetamol 100%? You didn’t. You trusted that the tiny risk of being someone who reacted badly was worth it for the benefit paracetamol would bring you. For the vast vast vast vast majority of people the tiny risk of reacting badly to the vaccine is worth it for the benefits the vaccine will bring you. The vaccine is not excluded from the vaccine damage compensation fund. There seems to be a common misconception that the government agreeing not to hold the manufacturer liable for any problems also means it’s excluded from the compensation fund - it’s not | |||
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"yes but thankfully parecetamal does not go into your muscles and it has been with us for many years What does muscle have to do with anything? It gets into your blood, your brain, your everything when digested... but still I know I can trust paracetamon 100%, while vaccine, not sure at all In 2019, 211 people died from taking paracetamol. Facts like those are irrelevant swing when it comes to peoples irrational fears based on a lack of knowledge and understanding. You could tell him every time he takes paracetamol he is more likely to die than he would by having the vaccine but it isn't going to make a difference. He is clearly closed himself off from objectively assessing the facts, data and the science. KJ" Sometimes you argue for the onlookers. | |||
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" but still I know I can trust paracetamon 100%, while vaccine, not sure at all How did you know the first time you took it that you could trust paracetamol 100%? You didn’t. You trusted that the tiny risk of being someone who reacted badly was worth it for the benefit paracetamol would bring you. For the vast vast vast vast majority of people the tiny risk of reacting badly to the vaccine is worth it for the benefits the vaccine will bring you. The vaccine is not excluded from the vaccine damage compensation fund. There seems to be a common misconception that the government agreeing not to hold the manufacturer liable for any problems also means it’s excluded from the compensation fund - it’s not " It's just the covid vax is under an extraordinary amount of scrutiny now. And if covid was only a problem in this country I think our astonishing uptake rates would look very different. If people actuly bothered to understand the risks of food and drink... Smoking... Recreational drugs... Driving.. Sports... Exercise... Vitamins and supplements... Fish bones.... Everyday medication and treatments like plasters... Razor blades.... They'd view things very differently. I see no issue with reassuring someone that it's not 100 % safe but that nothing... Not even paracetamol is 100% safe... | |||
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"yes but thankfully parecetamal does not go into your muscles and it has been with us for many years What does muscle have to do with anything? It gets into your blood, your brain, your everything when digested... but still I know I can trust paracetamon 100%, while vaccine, not sure at all In 2019, 211 people died from taking paracetamol. Facts like those are irrelevant swing when it comes to peoples irrational fears based on a lack of knowledge and understanding. You could tell him every time he takes paracetamol he is more likely to die than he would by having the vaccine but it isn't going to make a difference. He is clearly closed himself off from objectively assessing the facts, data and the science. KJ Sometimes you argue for the onlookers." Yeah your absolutely right there's usually more readers than posters, if 1 person is encouraged to find the facts via the debate then its a win.  | |||
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"yes but thankfully parecetamal does not go into your muscles and it has been with us for many years What does muscle have to do with anything? It gets into your blood, your brain, your everything when digested... but still I know I can trust paracetamon 100%, while vaccine, not sure at all In 2019, 211 people died from taking paracetamol. Facts like those are irrelevant swing when it comes to peoples irrational fears based on a lack of knowledge and understanding. You could tell him every time he takes paracetamol he is more likely to die than he would by having the vaccine but it isn't going to make a difference. He is clearly closed himself off from objectively assessing the facts, data and the science. KJ Sometimes you argue for the onlookers. Yeah your absolutely right there's usually more readers than posters, if 1 person is encouraged to find the facts via the debate then its a win. "That's why I bother | |||
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"Whatever risks there are, they exist, and they're smaller than the risk of Covid. The blood clot thing - most vaccines have risks on that sort of order. No medical intervention is risk free. I have a family member who suffered a life threatening vaccine reaction (not Covid). It's a one in a million chance or less. I have my vaccines to protect him and people like him. If I'm one of the people who have the reaction - or any other reaction - then that's the luck of the draw. I could also be hit by a bus tomorrow and ditto. I understand but this is exactly my point, there always will be that one and I just don't want to be that person
old vaccines I would take without a doubt but new, I am anxious and also why they have to be made differently"No one wants to get a clot but not having the vaccine makes your chances of getting a clot far higher as you have a good chance of catching covid which itself has a high chance of giving you the clot you are trying to avoid | |||
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"We aren't concerned in the slightest. Everything in life has a risk. Have you read all the side effects on a box of paracetamol?" that’s right all medications have risks | |||
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" but still I know I can trust paracetamon 100%, while vaccine, not sure at all How did you know the first time you took it that you could trust paracetamol 100%? You didn’t. You trusted that the tiny risk of being someone who reacted badly was worth it for the benefit paracetamol would bring you. For the vast vast vast vast majority of people the tiny risk of reacting badly to the vaccine is worth it for the benefits the vaccine will bring you. The vaccine is not excluded from the vaccine damage compensation fund. There seems to be a common misconception that the government agreeing not to hold the manufacturer liable for any problems also means it’s excluded from the compensation fund - it’s not It's just the covid vax is under an extraordinary amount of scrutiny now. And if covid was only a problem in this country I think our astonishing uptake rates would look very different. If people actuly bothered to understand the risks of food and drink... Smoking... Recreational drugs... Driving.. Sports... Exercise... Vitamins and supplements... Fish bones.... Everyday medication and treatments like plasters... Razor blades.... They'd view things very differently. I see no issue with reassuring someone that it's not 100 % safe but that nothing... Not even paracetamol is 100% safe... Agreed" Here's a few others to contemplate... Condoms... Birth control... Pill.. Coil.. Likelihood of assault... Car crash.. | |||
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"I am not an "anti vaxer" at all, just very cautious about the new ones and to be honest if I am to take one, I prefer to wait, maybe even 2-3 years? Who knows I might change my mind but anyone else has some concerns? I know they say small numbers get blood clots but they have been banned for short time for a reason and what if you end up being that one that gets blood clots? is anyone corcened about this at all? (not looking to be convinced, just seeing if anyone else has any doubts)" yes agree i declined mine and im one of vunrable people with asthma but not yet convinced of vaxcine safty like you say give it couple years see what serious side effects apear but you won't ever get truth stay safe | |||
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"I am not an "anti vaxer" at all, just very cautious about the new ones and to be honest if I am to take one, I prefer to wait, maybe even 2-3 years? Who knows I might change my mind but anyone else has some concerns? I know they say small numbers get blood clots but they have been banned for short time for a reason and what if you end up being that one that gets blood clots? is anyone corcened about this at all? (not looking to be convinced, just seeing if anyone else has any doubts) yes agree i declined mine and im one of vunrable people with asthma but not yet convinced of vaxcine safty like you say give it couple years see what serious side effects apear but you won't ever get truth stay safe " My very good friend was 28 (less than half your age buddy), very fit, a gym goer who had no health issues apart from asthma. Sadly he was another victim of covid at the height of the 1st Lockdown. KJ | |||
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"Had the radio on in the car recently and listened intently when the sister of one of the guys to have an extremely rare reaction (blood clot) and who sadly died spoke. While she was deeply upset (who wouldn't be) she spoke powerfully of the absolute need for the vaccination. I didn't realise until the end of the interview that she was a Pharmacist. Said an awful lot for my money. Life is about choices - and although I'm very much for it I do believe in the right of those who don't want it to refuse. That being so everything we do in life is a consequence of choice and IF countries/establishments do eventually refuse entry without inoculation I hope those people accept that as fair. Those places have choices too at the end of the day. " Yup | |||
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"I am not an "anti vaxer" at all, just very cautious about the new ones and to be honest if I am to take one, I prefer to wait, maybe even 2-3 years? Who knows I might change my mind but anyone else has some concerns? I know they say small numbers get blood clots but they have been banned for short time for a reason and what if you end up being that one that gets blood clots? is anyone corcened about this at all? (not looking to be convinced, just seeing if anyone else has any doubts) yes agree i declined mine and im one of vunrable people with asthma but not yet convinced of vaxcine safty like you say give it couple years see what serious side effects apear but you won't ever get truth stay safe My very good friend was 28 (less than half your age buddy), very fit, a gym goer who had no health issues apart from asthma. Sadly he was another victim of covid at the height of the 1st Lockdown. KJ" I've known five people who have passed away through Covid (none were extremely close, but very sad all the same). Two had medical issues, but the others didn't. As for the vaccination it's a variation on one that's been around for years and which is hugely similar to the flu jab. That being so it means that as always there will be a very tiny minority who will have extreme reactions, a big majority who will have lesser ones (which in many ways is actually a good thing as it shows the body is reacting to build the immunity) and some who will have little or no reaction. Statistically it means that the enormous majority are better off having it than not. It's worth looking at the statistics for blood clots in particular. I believe it's around 30 people in the whole of Europe who have had serious blood clots (which are always a potentially dangerous thing). For the record I've worked in the medical world for years (though not currently), so this isn't armchair expertise talking - though I don't claim to be an infectious disease specialist either. Hope this helps put your mind at rest buddy. All the best! | |||
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"Is anyone old inough to remember the falidamide generation.thats the last time the gov said a drug was safe for use after only six month testing and look how that turned out a whole generation of deformed kids .after that all drugs required two years testing untill now and who knows the longterm afe ts of these untested drugs" Thalidomide survivors have explicitly asked not to be compared to Covid vaccines. Widespread reform of medical research took place after the disaster, of which we are all beneficiaries. Which is why you have to clutch at straws and go back over fifty years to find something to support your claim. | |||
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"Is anyone old inough to remember the falidamide generation.thats the last time the gov said a drug was safe for use after only six month testing and look how that turned out a whole generation of deformed kids .after that all drugs required two years testing untill now and who knows the longterm afe ts of these untested drugs" They're not strictly untested though mate - although I understand why people would be concerned about any 'brand new drug. The vast majority of this one is something that's existed for some years though. It's just been tweaked to suit the bug. I'll be the first to say that no drug is completely safe, nor without side effects for some, but the comparison isn't a true one in terms of 'like for like' in this case. I still understand why some will be concerned all the same. Its just human nature, us the media/social media influences are so rife that its hard to know exactly what to think at times. Personally I've worked in a medical environment for so long that I was hugely confident in deciding to get jabbed myself. | |||
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"If every vaccine dose was put under the scrutiny of the covid vaccine, we'd see all sorts of problems, blood clots, side effects, etc. Every vaccine has side effects, and sometimes, unfortunately, it will kill somebody or injure them. Eating a peanut will kill some people ffs! Being scared to take a vaccine because somebody, somewhere once got a blood clot, and of those few people, somebody died is ridiculous. Do you get on a plane? Sometimes they crash! Doesn't mean that you are likely to be in that tiny statistic. You're far more likely to be unaffected, and better still, you'll be protected against a virus that could actually statistically more likely kill you than the vanishingly small chance of a bad reaction to the vaccine killing you." Do you sit on a chair? Sometimes they break Beds fall apart Houses fall down Some people just drop dead for no apparent reason | |||
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"If every vaccine dose was put under the scrutiny of the covid vaccine, we'd see all sorts of problems, blood clots, side effects, etc. Every vaccine has side effects, and sometimes, unfortunately, it will kill somebody or injure them. Eating a peanut will kill some people ffs! Being scared to take a vaccine because somebody, somewhere once got a blood clot, and of those few people, somebody died is ridiculous. Do you get on a plane? Sometimes they crash! Doesn't mean that you are likely to be in that tiny statistic. You're far more likely to be unaffected, and better still, you'll be protected against a virus that could actually statistically more likely kill you than the vanishingly small chance of a bad reaction to the vaccine killing you. Do you sit on a chair? Sometimes they break Beds fall apart Houses fall down Some people just drop dead for no apparent reason" I was going to iron my shirt... But then someone told me they'd heard about a mate of someone who burned themselves while ironing.. Fucked if I'm taking any chances. | |||
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"If every vaccine dose was put under the scrutiny of the covid vaccine, we'd see all sorts of problems, blood clots, side effects, etc. Every vaccine has side effects, and sometimes, unfortunately, it will kill somebody or injure them. Eating a peanut will kill some people ffs! Being scared to take a vaccine because somebody, somewhere once got a blood clot, and of those few people, somebody died is ridiculous. Do you get on a plane? Sometimes they crash! Doesn't mean that you are likely to be in that tiny statistic. You're far more likely to be unaffected, and better still, you'll be protected against a virus that could actually statistically more likely kill you than the vanishingly small chance of a bad reaction to the vaccine killing you. Do you sit on a chair? Sometimes they break Beds fall apart Houses fall down Some people just drop dead for no apparent reason I was going to iron my shirt... But then someone told me they'd heard about a mate of someone who burned themselves while ironing.. Fucked if I'm taking any chances. " Teach the controversy. Ironing is terrible. Don't be oppressed | |||
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"Whatever risks there are, they exist, and they're smaller than the risk of Covid. The blood clot thing - most vaccines have risks on that sort of order. No medical intervention is risk free. I have a family member who suffered a life threatening vaccine reaction (not Covid). It's a one in a million chance or less. I have my vaccines to protect him and people like him. If I'm one of the people who have the reaction - or any other reaction - then that's the luck of the draw. I could also be hit by a bus tomorrow and ditto." This is the way I look at it too. There are always gonna be risks, however big or small. Even drinking a glass of water isn't risk free! I'm more than prepared to take the risk of side effects to protect myself and the people around me from Covid. | |||
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"if we all want to get back to having fun then take it or don't ask anyone to meet up if you can't be bothered to have it just remember other people on here . " Oh yeah, because getting the vaccine so we can fuck randoms is super important  | |||
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"I am not an "anti vaxer" at all, just very cautious about the new ones and to be honest if I am to take one, I prefer to wait, maybe even 2-3 years? Who knows I might change my mind but anyone else has some concerns? I know they say small numbers get blood clots but they have been banned for short time for a reason and what if you end up being that one that gets blood clots? is anyone corcened about this at all? (not looking to be convinced, just seeing if anyone else has any doubts)" Nope, I get my second jab this Friday. | |||
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"Re blood clots, People sometimes get blood clots and die, regardless of vaccines. Nobody can be sure that the vaccine CAUSED any particular blood clot, only that the person developed a blood clot after having the vaccine. It's perfectly possible that those people could have developed a blood clot even if they hadn't had the vaccine. It's a bit like saying that somebody died of the vaccine because having had the vaccine, a bus hit them the next day." There does seem to be evidence that some of these clots are associated (they look to what happens in the rest of the population to try to figure it out). But the clots are still extremely rare and you're much more likely to suffer that - and other bad shit - from getting Covid. | |||
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"Re blood clots, People sometimes get blood clots and die, regardless of vaccines. Nobody can be sure that the vaccine CAUSED any particular blood clot, only that the person developed a blood clot after having the vaccine. It's perfectly possible that those people could have developed a blood clot even if they hadn't had the vaccine. It's a bit like saying that somebody died of the vaccine because having had the vaccine, a bus hit them the next day." i 100% agree the risk is tiny, and will still be getting my vaccine and will encourage others to do the same but i think your information might be out of date did they not find a specific link between an immune reaction caused by the vaccine and these blood clots , at the very least they are exploring it as an option all for putting peoples mind at ease but we can’t just ignore facts | |||
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"Is anyone old inough to remember the falidamide generation.thats the last time the gov said a drug was safe for use after only six month testing and look how that turned out a whole generation of deformed kids .after that all drugs required two years testing untill now and who knows the longterm afe ts of these untested drugs" Thalidomide is a perfectly safe drug for everyone apart from pregnant women. And that is why I believe they have said pregnant women shouldn't have the vaccine yet as it has not been tested on foetuses. | |||
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"I've had both doses now. No side effects with the 1st, day in bed due to severe tiredness with the second. I have a condition that necessitates I take a lot of pretty powerful drugs long term. I am lucky enough to be on the "new" drug that I took part in the drug test for years ago. I'm in no pain whatsoever for the first time in 20yrs. I've been given a new lease of life, thanks to all those who partake in drugs trials. The covid vaccines on offer have been fully tested - they are not asking you to be human guinea pigs. Also, you want to see the contraindications of the meds I take - would make your hair curl! But I take them because I want to fully enjoy my life. Having the vaccine not only protects you, but everyone around you. It's a no brainer for me " Couldn't have made the point better myself!  | |||
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""Up to 20% of cancer patients develop blood clots. Globally up to 60% of blood clots occur within 90 days of hospital discharge. More people die from blood clots each year than the total number of people who lose their lives annually due to AIDS, breast cancer, and motor vehicle crashes combined." "13,961 people died from a VTE episode in Scotland between 2008-2017" https://thrombosisuk.org/thrombosis-statistics.php Blood cots kill people all the time, the miniscule number which may be caused by the vaccine make little difference. " But still the risk of getting it, can't imagine being all healthy, getting the vaccine and it goes wrong and I get a blood clot I know maybe not a high risk but someone will get it, this is what scares me most | |||
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""Up to 20% of cancer patients develop blood clots. Globally up to 60% of blood clots occur within 90 days of hospital discharge. More people die from blood clots each year than the total number of people who lose their lives annually due to AIDS, breast cancer, and motor vehicle crashes combined." "13,961 people died from a VTE episode in Scotland between 2008-2017" https://thrombosisuk.org/thrombosis-statistics.php Blood cots kill people all the time, the miniscule number which may be caused by the vaccine make little difference. But still the risk of getting it, can't imagine being all healthy, getting the vaccine and it goes wrong and I get a blood clot I know maybe not a high risk but someone will get it, this is what scares me most"Or you could be all healthy, catch Covid, lose IQ, suffer delirium, long term debilitating fatigue, psychosis, loss of taste and smell, and much more besides - it's much more likely than from a vaccine | |||
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"In my opinion, media played a big roll in scaring people and giving vaccine as only solution. I was amazed how much alternative information, data, articles and videos been blocked censored and removed. According to statistics in UK for every 4 covid deaths there are 3 deaths from lockdown. In Ireland total number of deaths in 2017 was higher than in 2020. Please double check the info and not all alternative media is conspiracy theories. We both working in hospital and we are very few who choosed not to have the vaccine... And we are not "antivaxers" just in the past had very bad side effects from flu vaccine. Onc again, this is my personal opinion based on the information I found and analyzed, please don't judge." You're right the media is growing ever more irresponsible for this covid situation as well as many others. I'm intrigued by your statement "3 deaths from lockdown" could you explain that a bit more and possibly provide a link? I'm not sure what "death from lockdown" actually means. Thks | |||
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""Up to 20% of cancer patients develop blood clots. Globally up to 60% of blood clots occur within 90 days of hospital discharge. More people die from blood clots each year than the total number of people who lose their lives annually due to AIDS, breast cancer, and motor vehicle crashes combined." "13,961 people died from a VTE episode in Scotland between 2008-2017" https://thrombosisuk.org/thrombosis-statistics.php Blood cots kill people all the time, the miniscule number which may be caused by the vaccine make little difference. But still the risk of getting it, can't imagine being all healthy, getting the vaccine and it goes wrong and I get a blood clot I know maybe not a high risk but someone will get it, this is what scares me most"OP you seem very risk averse. In that case I assume you will not have any meets from here in the next 2-3 years (as per your first post re waiting to have the vaccine) as you have no idea who has and hasn’t had the vaccine and hence there will be a risk of you getting COVID. That could end up with you getting blood clots, which is a higher risk than the vaccine and there is also the risk of your blood oxygen sats going really low and you not being able to breath on your own and worst case your lungs filling with fluid before your ultimate death. If you do meet in the next 3 years you are certainly being hypocritical f you want to live a life without any risk. I also advise not to drive a car - do you have any idea of the stats of dying in a car crash over a lifetime? Oh and don’t go near buses, apparently 1000s of people die by being run over by them within 28 days of being tested positive. | |||
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"Based on what I have read these are modified flu vaccines. They get modified every year. Because of vaccinations our infections and deaths have plummeted. There are people better informed on the situation than Joe Public making decisions...we have to trust the boffins" Absolutely spot on mate! | |||
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"No. This is a pandemic, as de later by experts, the WHO- the World Health Organisation. They are not conspiratorial crackpots. They know what must be done to solve this problem; everyone's problem." But same WHO said that we don't have a pandemic at start of last year so they can easily change their mind | |||
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"No. This is a pandemic, as de later by experts, the WHO- the World Health Organisation. They are not conspiratorial crackpots. They know what must be done to solve this problem; everyone's problem. But same WHO said that we don't have a pandemic at start of last year so they can easily change their mind" They changed their mind based on data. | |||
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"I am not an "anti vaxer" at all, just very cautious about the new ones and to be honest if I am to take one, I prefer to wait, maybe even 2-3 years? Who knows I might change my mind but anyone else has some concerns? I know they say small numbers get blood clots but they have been banned for short time for a reason and what if you end up being that one that gets blood clots? is anyone corcened about this at all? (not looking to be convinced, just seeing if anyone else has any doubts)" I'm having vaccines then off to socialise.... Life's too short | |||
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"No. This is a pandemic, as de later by experts, the WHO- the World Health Organisation. They are not conspiratorial crackpots. They know what must be done to solve this problem; everyone's problem. But same WHO said that we don't have a pandemic at start of last year so they can easily change their mind" Yep, funny thing about researching an ongoing virus, you find new things out! Fancy that | |||
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"I am not an "anti vaxer" at all, just very cautious about the new ones and to be honest if I am to take one, I prefer to wait, maybe even 2-3 years?life's too short, having 2nd vaccine in cpl weeks then mid June I'm socialising Who knows I might change my mind but anyone else has some concerns? I know they say small numbers get blood clots but they have been banned for short time for a reason and what if you end up being that one that gets blood clots? is anyone corcened about this at all? (not looking to be convinced, just seeing if anyone else has any doubts) Would you be happy to have the country in lockdown for those 2-3 years? " | |||
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"No. This is a pandemic, as de later by experts, the WHO- the World Health Organisation. They are not conspiratorial crackpots. They know what must be done to solve this problem; everyone's problem. But same WHO said that we don't have a pandemic at start of last year so they can easily change their mind" To qualify to be classed as a pandemic, a virus or disease must be epidemic in many countries. There is obviously a threshold where a virus changes from being "several epidemics in a few countries" to being present in "lots of countries all around the world". Cal | |||
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"I am not an "anti vaxer" at all, just very cautious about the new ones and to be honest if I am to take one, I prefer to wait, maybe even 2-3 years? Who knows I might change my mind but anyone else has some concerns? I know they say small numbers get blood clots but they have been banned for short time for a reason and what if you end up being that one that gets blood clots? is anyone corcened about this at all? (not looking to be convinced, just seeing if anyone else has any doubts)" I'd be far far more concerned about potentially getting ill because of Covid compared to any concern having a vaccine. | |||
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"Whatever risks there are, they exist, and they're smaller than the risk of Covid. The blood clot thing - most vaccines have risks on that sort of order. No medical intervention is risk free. I have a family member who suffered a life threatening vaccine reaction (not Covid). It's a one in a million chance or less. I have my vaccines to protect him and people like him. If I'm one of the people who have the reaction - or any other reaction - then that's the luck of the draw. I could also be hit by a bus tomorrow and ditto. I understand but this is exactly my point, there always will be that one and I just don't want to be that person
old vaccines I would take without a doubt but new, I am anxious and also why they have to be made differently
You could have a reaction to an "old" vaccine or to any medication your doctor prescribes. I don't understand this sort of response "I don't want to be the one in a million". No, nor do I, but put into context, you're many times more likely to develop a blood clot after your holiday flight than from a vaccine, yet how many people refuse to fly on that basis (when holidays and flights were do-able)?
Look in any medication, no matter how old or new, and there's possible negative effects or side effects, categorised from very common (likelihood more than 1 in 10) to very rare (fewer than 1 in 10,000).
From a patient information leaflet of paracetamol tablets, 500g:
Possible side effects
Like all medicines, this medicine can cause side
effects, although not everybody gets them.
Tell your doctor if you notice any of the
following side effects or notice any other effects
not listed:
• Allergic reactions - skin rash • Blood - changes in numbers and types of blood
cells. If you have an increase in the number of
nose bleeds, notice that you bruise more easily
or have more infections, talk to your doctor.
Very rare cases of serious skin reactions have
been reported
Info on side effects from the NHS, including how to interpret the risk figures: https://www.nhs.uk/common-health-questions/medicines/what-are-side-effects/"Not all info from the NHS is accurate, for example the Live Well advice - a LOT of the nutritional and exercise advice is a f*****g JOKE and laughable
Having taken one of the courses for a qualification I had access to the questions which were scary misinformed as to the answers they wanted to hear, in fact it was such a joke that I passed on some of the questions and required inaccurate answers on to Dave Palumbo in the USA - a TOP ex pro bodybuilder and nutritionist and he got back to me with this " these guy's are a fucking joke "
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"Whatever risks there are, they exist, and they're smaller than the risk of Covid. The blood clot thing - most vaccines have risks on that sort of order. No medical intervention is risk free. I have a family member who suffered a life threatening vaccine reaction (not Covid). It's a one in a million chance or less. I have my vaccines to protect him and people like him. If I'm one of the people who have the reaction - or any other reaction - then that's the luck of the draw. I could also be hit by a bus tomorrow and ditto. I understand but this is exactly my point, there always will be that one and I just don't want to be that person
old vaccines I would take without a doubt but new, I am anxious and also why they have to be made differently
You could have a reaction to an "old" vaccine or to any medication your doctor prescribes. I don't understand this sort of response "I don't want to be the one in a million". No, nor do I, but put into context, you're many times more likely to develop a blood clot after your holiday flight than from a vaccine, yet how many people refuse to fly on that basis (when holidays and flights were do-able)?
Look in any medication, no matter how old or new, and there's possible negative effects or side effects, categorised from very common (likelihood more than 1 in 10) to very rare (fewer than 1 in 10,000).
From a patient information leaflet of paracetamol tablets, 500g:
Possible side effects
Like all medicines, this medicine can cause side
effects, although not everybody gets them.
Tell your doctor if you notice any of the
following side effects or notice any other effects
not listed:
• Allergic reactions - skin rash • Blood - changes in numbers and types of blood
cells. If you have an increase in the number of
nose bleeds, notice that you bruise more easily
or have more infections, talk to your doctor.
Very rare cases of serious skin reactions have
been reported
Info on side effects from the NHS, including how to interpret the risk figures: https://www.nhs.uk/common-health-questions/medicines/what-are-side-effects/
Not all info from the NHS is accurate, for example the Live Well advice - a LOT of the nutritional and exercise advice is a f*****g JOKE and laughable
Having taken one of the courses for a qualification I had access to the questions which were scary misinformed as to the answers they wanted to hear, in fact it was such a joke that I passed on some of the questions and required inaccurate answers on to Dave Palumbo in the USA - a TOP ex pro bodybuilder and nutritionist and he got back to me with this " these guy's are a fucking joke "
So be a little cautious when taking advice from the NHS "Agree with that. Somehow we have over the years put the NHS on a pedestal where it can do no wrong, say no wrong and when it makes some of its many mistakes, can not be blamed. There is dreadful complacency and poor "expertise" written accepted as fact because it has the NHS branding. Alongside our generally lazy approach to educating ourselves about our health and wellbeing and demand for one size fits all. It's potential for a lot of unhelpful "information". | |||
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"Whatever risks there are, they exist, and they're smaller than the risk of Covid. The blood clot thing - most vaccines have risks on that sort of order. No medical intervention is risk free. I have a family member who suffered a life threatening vaccine reaction (not Covid). It's a one in a million chance or less. I have my vaccines to protect him and people like him. If I'm one of the people who have the reaction - or any other reaction - then that's the luck of the draw. I could also be hit by a bus tomorrow and ditto. I understand but this is exactly my point, there always will be that one and I just don't want to be that person
old vaccines I would take without a doubt but new, I am anxious and also why they have to be made differently"This makes no mathematical sense and shows how media reporting can inflate a risk. Nothing is 100% risk free, but the serious risk of doing nothing is higher than the risk of taking a vacinne. | |||
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"Whatever risks there are, they exist, and they're smaller than the risk of Covid. The blood clot thing - most vaccines have risks on that sort of order. No medical intervention is risk free. I have a family member who suffered a life threatening vaccine reaction (not Covid). It's a one in a million chance or less. I have my vaccines to protect him and people like him. If I'm one of the people who have the reaction - or any other reaction - then that's the luck of the draw. I could also be hit by a bus tomorrow and ditto. I understand but this is exactly my point, there always will be that one and I just don't want to be that person
old vaccines I would take without a doubt but new, I am anxious and also why they have to be made differently
This makes no mathematical sense and shows how media reporting can inflate a risk.
Nothing is 100% risk free, but the serious risk of doing nothing is higher than the risk of taking a vacinne.
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"The way things have been the last year haven't been 'living' anyway so why worry. What's the worst that can happen?" You'll turn into the Incredible Hulk (according to the worst of the American vaccine adverse reactions section) and service the grand agenda of global destruction led by Bill Gates. ... Then you'll wake up and have a sore arm. | |||
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"The way things have been the last year haven't been 'living' anyway so why worry. What's the worst that can happen? You'll turn into the Incredible Hulk (according to the worst of the American vaccine adverse reactions section) and service the grand agenda of global destruction led by Bill Gates. ... Then you'll wake up and have a sore arm." You reckon the Hulk has a normal sized dick or one of those body builder micro-dick things? | |||
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"No. This is a pandemic, as de later by experts, the WHO- the World Health Organisation. They are not conspiratorial crackpots. They know what must be done to solve this problem; everyone's problem. But same WHO said that we don't have a pandemic at start of last year so they can easily change their mind" The clue is in the name, "pan" as in everywhere. At the start of last year covid was only just starting to spread and was thus not a pandemic. However there was a risk of pandemic, which was proved to be true when it did actually spread and become a pandemic. It goes a bit like this: First person - it's an infection. Spreads to a few - community outbreak. Numbers keep rising, it isn't going away on its own, spreads through cities and across country - epidemic. It's effing everywhere - pandemic. And the main reason that covid keeps spreading and has been crippling the world (health wise and financially) for over a year now - because there's too many people that only think of their own personal convenience. | |||
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"No. This is a pandemic, as de later by experts, the WHO- the World Health Organisation. They are not conspiratorial crackpots. They know what must be done to solve this problem; everyone's problem. But same WHO said that we don't have a pandemic at start of last year so they can easily change their mind The clue is in the name, "pan" as in everywhere. At the start of last year covid was only just starting to spread and was thus not a pandemic. However there was a risk of pandemic, which was proved to be true when it did actually spread and become a pandemic. It goes a bit like this: First person - it's an infection. Spreads to a few - community outbreak. Numbers keep rising, it isn't going away on its own, spreads through cities and across country - epidemic. It's effing everywhere - pandemic. And the main reason that covid keeps spreading and has been crippling the world (health wise and financially) for over a year now - because there's too many people that only think of their own personal convenience." Imagine if WHO refused to "change their mind" after their early communications. How insane would that have been?! | |||
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"The way things have been the last year haven't been 'living' anyway so why worry. What's the worst that can happen? You'll turn into the Incredible Hulk (according to the worst of the American vaccine adverse reactions section) and service the grand agenda of global destruction led by Bill Gates. ... Then you'll wake up and have a sore arm. You reckon the Hulk has a normal sized dick or one of those body builder micro-dick things? " Depends on if you ask an anti vaxxer dumpster diving in the data, or someone trying to spin this as a good thing. (Now I have Losing My Religion in my head. "That was just a dream...") | |||
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"No. This is a pandemic, as de later by experts, the WHO- the World Health Organisation. They are not conspiratorial crackpots. They know what must be done to solve this problem; everyone's problem. But same WHO said that we don't have a pandemic at start of last year so they can easily change their mind The clue is in the name, "pan" as in everywhere. At the start of last year covid was only just starting to spread and was thus not a pandemic. However there was a risk of pandemic, which was proved to be true when it did actually spread and become a pandemic. It goes a bit like this: First person - it's an infection. Spreads to a few - community outbreak. Numbers keep rising, it isn't going away on its own, spreads through cities and across country - epidemic. It's effing everywhere - pandemic. And the main reason that covid keeps spreading and has been crippling the world (health wise and financially) for over a year now - because there's too many people that only think of their own personal convenience. Imagine if WHO refused to "change their mind" after their early communications. How insane would that have been?!" I think we actually have a serious issue with people understanding how this works. Epilepsy is a sacred disease imposed by god. So the ancient Greeks say, and anyone trying to change their mind shows just how uncertain and dishonest all this science business is. Facts are facts, immortal, unchangeable. Things are as they always were or someone is out to get me. - sent from my iPhone | |||
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"No. This is a pandemic, as de later by experts, the WHO- the World Health Organisation. They are not conspiratorial crackpots. They know what must be done to solve this problem; everyone's problem. But same WHO said that we don't have a pandemic at start of last year so they can easily change their mind The clue is in the name, "pan" as in everywhere. At the start of last year covid was only just starting to spread and was thus not a pandemic. However there was a risk of pandemic, which was proved to be true when it did actually spread and become a pandemic. It goes a bit like this: First person - it's an infection. Spreads to a few - community outbreak. Numbers keep rising, it isn't going away on its own, spreads through cities and across country - epidemic. It's effing everywhere - pandemic. And the main reason that covid keeps spreading and has been crippling the world (health wise and financially) for over a year now - because there's too many people that only think of their own personal convenience." I have someone on my Facebook like that. | |||
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"I've been feeling much better in myself since having my first jab. Felt a bit weird for a week or so, but now I have more energy and less head fog than I had pre-jab. Could be a coincidence of course, but I'm looking forward to the second one to see if I improve again "I've heard reports of some long Covid symptoms improving post vaccine. | |||
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"If they truly believed that there was any risk of major side effects or death with the vaccine, would the NHS, care staff and support workers have been vaccinated straight away? We are a sector that people rely on, so why risk so many people and having to find thousands of staff to replace them? I am glad I got my vaccines through work, I'm also high risk myself. And had my 2nd jab 2 weeks ago. " Very glad to know our frontline staff are protected as much as possible! | |||
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"If they truly believed that there was any risk of major side effects or death with the vaccine, would the NHS, care staff and support workers have been vaccinated straight away? We are a sector that people rely on, so why risk so many people and having to find thousands of staff to replace them? I am glad I got my vaccines through work, I'm also high risk myself. And had my 2nd jab 2 weeks ago. " Thank you for what you do. | |||
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"They're not vaccines. They are gene therapy "OK.... I'm definitely going to listen to you over scientists. | |||
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"They're not vaccines. They are gene therapy "After all this time there are still people with this perception | |||
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"I am not an "anti vaxer" at all, just very cautious about the new ones and to be honest if I am to take one, I prefer to wait, maybe even 2-3 years? Who knows I might change my mind but anyone else has some concerns? I know they say small numbers get blood clots but they have been banned for short time for a reason and what if you end up being that one that gets blood clots? is anyone corcened about this at all? (not looking to be convinced, just seeing if anyone else has any doubts)" I have no doubts at all. Though I except in very very very rare circumstances a person may have an adverse reaction. | |||
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"Gene therapy definition: "the introduction of normal genes into cells in place of missing or defective ones in order to correct genetic disorders." Covid is not a genetic disorder. The vaccines do not introduce normal genes in place of missing/defective genes. The mRNA in the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines are effectively facsimiles of the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein gene, but is not actually a gene. Yours sincerely, Someone who teaches biology" But if you take a law from American state A and another law from American state B and disregard what the doctors and scientists say, it's a conspiracy to give us icky untested things because legislators from only these specific states (who define things in ways which suit my argument) know much more than actual scientists. Therefore conspiracy Bill Gates sheeple plandemic | |||
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"So tell me what is the definition of a vaccine? Does the phizer jab meet all the criteria? A quick browse of Google seems to suggest not. (Unless of course you look at msm articles " A vaccine is a substance that when introduced into the body, elicits an immune response against a particular antigen or antigens. The antigen in this case is the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein. The vaccines elicit antibodies (B cell response) and also T cell responses. They are vaccines | |||
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"Bill Gates has nothing to do with it. The conspiracies around him are bollocks. I just remembered that since I had my polio,tetanus and tb vaccines. I've never caught any of those things. My kids haven't caught meningitis, measles, mumps or rubella. I'm guessing it's because we are vaccinated. Last I heard. The SarsCov2 gene therapies don't stop you catching or spreading. Hmm interesting. So as you can see by this post. I'm not anti vax. (Like that's a bad thing anyway. Ever heard of my body my choice?) Before anyone starts virtue signalling. If you've been vaccinated as you put it. What on earth has what others do have anything to do with yourselves? " I suggest you learn the very basics about vaccines before saying such silly things. | |||
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"Bill Gates has nothing to do with it. The conspiracies around him are bollocks. I just remembered that since I had my polio,tetanus and tb vaccines. I've never caught any of those things. My kids haven't caught meningitis, measles, mumps or rubella. I'm guessing it's because we are vaccinated. Last I heard. The SarsCov2 gene therapies don't stop you catching or spreading. Hmm interesting. So as you can see by this post. I'm not anti vax. (Like that's a bad thing anyway. Ever heard of my body my choice?) Before anyone starts virtue signalling. If you've been vaccinated as you put it. What on earth has what others do have anything to do with yourselves? I suggest you learn the very basics about vaccines before saying such silly things. " Wondered when you'd chime in with your mates
I know full well how vaccines work thanks very much.
That's because I read as much as possible (from every angle) Not the one sided garbage spouted out by big tech, msm, and big pharma.
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"Whatever risks there are, they exist, and they're smaller than the risk of Covid. The blood clot thing - most vaccines have risks on that sort of order. No medical intervention is risk free. I have a family member who suffered a life threatening vaccine reaction (not Covid). It's a one in a million chance or less. I have my vaccines to protect him and people like him. If I'm one of the people who have the reaction - or any other reaction - then that's the luck of the draw. I could also be hit by a bus tomorrow and ditto." I was going to post but you’ve pretty much said it | |||
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"Bill Gates has nothing to do with it. The conspiracies around him are bollocks. I just remembered that since I had my polio,tetanus and tb vaccines. I've never caught any of those things. My kids haven't caught meningitis, measles, mumps or rubella. I'm guessing it's because we are vaccinated. Last I heard. The SarsCov2 gene therapies don't stop you catching or spreading. Hmm interesting. So as you can see by this post. I'm not anti vax. (Like that's a bad thing anyway. Ever heard of my body my choice?) Before anyone starts virtue signalling. If you've been vaccinated as you put it. What on earth has what others do have anything to do with yourselves? " An antivax stance can definitely be a bad thing. False scare stories were claimed after the Wakefield MMR fraud by many, including the Daily Mail for years. These scared people from vaccinating their children, which has resulted in many avoidable infections and potentially many deaths. There are no Sars-Cov-2 'gene therapies' that are approved BTW. The vaccination of others does have an impact on us. Some people cannot receive certain vaccines, so others having immunity protects them. Likewise with herd immunity - the beneficial result of achieving high penetration of immunity amongst populations, which can result in an incoming infection meeting a dead end, as it's unable to infect others. The current vaccines appear to reduce both the number of people getting infected as well as the number of people who they can infect. Increasing data will show the greater extent of this, rather than just reducing the levels of people getting seriously ill, needing hospital care or losing lives. | |||
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"Bill Gates has nothing to do with it. The conspiracies around him are bollocks. I just remembered that since I had my polio,tetanus and tb vaccines. I've never caught any of those things. My kids haven't caught meningitis, measles, mumps or rubella. I'm guessing it's because we are vaccinated. Last I heard. The SarsCov2 gene therapies don't stop you catching or spreading. Hmm interesting. So as you can see by this post. I'm not anti vax. (Like that's a bad thing anyway. Ever heard of my body my choice?) Before anyone starts virtue signalling. If you've been vaccinated as you put it. What on earth has what others do have anything to do with yourselves? " I thought virtue signalling was going on about charitable work in a way that gave certain segments of society the sadz | |||
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"Bill Gates has nothing to do with it. The conspiracies around him are bollocks. I just remembered that since I had my polio,tetanus and tb vaccines. I've never caught any of those things. My kids haven't caught meningitis, measles, mumps or rubella. I'm guessing it's because we are vaccinated. Last I heard. The SarsCov2 gene therapies don't stop you catching or spreading. Hmm interesting. So as you can see by this post. I'm not anti vax. (Like that's a bad thing anyway. Ever heard of my body my choice?) Before anyone starts virtue signalling. If you've been vaccinated as you put it. What on earth has what others do have anything to do with yourselves? I thought virtue signalling was going on about charitable work in a way that gave certain segments of society the sadz "Errmmm nope. These days they're known a karens | |||
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"Very few vaccines achieve "sterilising" immunity, i.e total cut in transmission and inability to be infected at all. Vaccinated people do still catch and transmit measles, mumps, meningitis and a range of other illnesses. https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20210203-why-vaccinated-people-may-still-be-able-to-spread-covid-19 Also you cannot directly compare something like the meningitis vaccines, which are designed to reduce illness severity for a bacterial illness, to a virus like SARS-CoV-2. You also cannot compare two different viruses, like measles vs SARS-CoV-2, because different viruses have different rates of mutation, different ways of evading the immune system and so the varying virulence factors between pathogens means we must consider each pathogenic organism/particle separately." Not facts!
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"Bill Gates has nothing to do with it. The conspiracies around him are bollocks. I just remembered that since I had my polio,tetanus and tb vaccines. I've never caught any of those things. My kids haven't caught meningitis, measles, mumps or rubella. I'm guessing it's because we are vaccinated. Last I heard. The SarsCov2 gene therapies don't stop you catching or spreading. Hmm interesting. So as you can see by this post. I'm not anti vax. (Like that's a bad thing anyway. Ever heard of my body my choice?) Before anyone starts virtue signalling. If you've been vaccinated as you put it. What on earth has what others do have anything to do with yourselves? I thought virtue signalling was going on about charitable work in a way that gave certain segments of society the sadz
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"Bill Gates has nothing to do with it. The conspiracies around him are bollocks. I just remembered that since I had my polio,tetanus and tb vaccines. I've never caught any of those things. My kids haven't caught meningitis, measles, mumps or rubella. I'm guessing it's because we are vaccinated. Last I heard. The SarsCov2 gene therapies don't stop you catching or spreading. Hmm interesting. So as you can see by this post. I'm not anti vax. (Like that's a bad thing anyway. Ever heard of my body my choice?) Before anyone starts virtue signalling. If you've been vaccinated as you put it. What on earth has what others do have anything to do with yourselves? I thought virtue signalling was going on about charitable work in a way that gave certain segments of society the sadz
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These days they're known a karens
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"Bill Gates has nothing to do with it. The conspiracies around him are bollocks. I just remembered that since I had my polio,tetanus and tb vaccines. I've never caught any of those things. My kids haven't caught meningitis, measles, mumps or rubella. I'm guessing it's because we are vaccinated. Last I heard. The SarsCov2 gene therapies don't stop you catching or spreading. Hmm interesting. So as you can see by this post. I'm not anti vax. (Like that's a bad thing anyway. Ever heard of my body my choice?) Before anyone starts virtue signalling. If you've been vaccinated as you put it. What on earth has what others do have anything to do with yourselves? I thought virtue signalling was going on about charitable work in a way that gave certain segments of society the sadz
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These days they're known a karens
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""Up to 20% of cancer patients develop blood clots. Globally up to 60% of blood clots occur within 90 days of hospital discharge. More people die from blood clots each year than the total number of people who lose their lives annually due to AIDS, breast cancer, and motor vehicle crashes combined." "13,961 people died from a VTE episode in Scotland between 2008-2017" https://thrombosisuk.org/thrombosis-statistics.php Blood cots kill people all the time, the miniscule number which may be caused by the vaccine make little difference. But still the risk of getting it, can't imagine being all healthy, getting the vaccine and it goes wrong and I get a blood clot I know maybe not a high risk but someone will get it, this is what scares me most
Or you could be all healthy, catch Covid, lose IQ, suffer delirium, long term debilitating fatigue, psychosis, loss of taste and smell, and much more besides - it's much more likely than from a vaccine"Just like the minuscule number of Covid deaths among healthy people... You happily talk a lot about supposed facts of vaccines and viruses but you smell like mains stream media BS | |||
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""Up to 20% of cancer patients develop blood clots. Globally up to 60% of blood clots occur within 90 days of hospital discharge. More people die from blood clots each year than the total number of people who lose their lives annually due to AIDS, breast cancer, and motor vehicle crashes combined." "13,961 people died from a VTE episode in Scotland between 2008-2017" https://thrombosisuk.org/thrombosis-statistics.php Blood cots kill people all the time, the miniscule number which may be caused by the vaccine make little difference. But still the risk of getting it, can't imagine being all healthy, getting the vaccine and it goes wrong and I get a blood clot I know maybe not a high risk but someone will get it, this is what scares me most
Or you could be all healthy, catch Covid, lose IQ, suffer delirium, long term debilitating fatigue, psychosis, loss of taste and smell, and much more besides - it's much more likely than from a vaccine
Just like the minuscule number of Covid deaths among healthy people...
You happily talk a lot about supposed facts of vaccines and viruses but you smell like mains stream media BS
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"Im sure you have. Scientist that believe in Scientology by any chance?" Oh my days | |||
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""Up to 20% of cancer patients develop blood clots. Globally up to 60% of blood clots occur within 90 days of hospital discharge. More people die from blood clots each year than the total number of people who lose their lives annually due to AIDS, breast cancer, and motor vehicle crashes combined." "13,961 people died from a VTE episode in Scotland between 2008-2017" https://thrombosisuk.org/thrombosis-statistics.php Blood cots kill people all the time, the miniscule number which may be caused by the vaccine make little difference. But still the risk of getting it, can't imagine being all healthy, getting the vaccine and it goes wrong and I get a blood clot I know maybe not a high risk but someone will get it, this is what scares me most
Or you could be all healthy, catch Covid, lose IQ, suffer delirium, long term debilitating fatigue, psychosis, loss of taste and smell, and much more besides - it's much more likely than from a vaccine
Just like the minuscule number of Covid deaths among healthy people...
You happily talk a lot about supposed facts of vaccines and viruses but you smell like mains stream media BS
Haven't paid attention to the media on it in a year. Have been following the scientists.
Sorry that upsets you."Most people with common sense have looked at the many many scientists, gagged by MSM, and listened to both sides. Great Barrington declaration springs to mind. All those scientists who don't know what they're talking about eh
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"End of the day. If you believe everything msm tells you. Have an experimental (vaccine) as you call it. If you're scared about dying from something that whilst very nasty you still have a very high chance of being absolutely fine (co morbidities and vit D deficient aside). Be part of the experiment. If you're fed up of lockdown and want to get your life back ( yes the lockdowns do encourage vaccine uptake. Be part of the experiment. I seem to remember being mocked by the very same people when I said furlough would be extended past April. Hmmmmm and what happened?? "I shared earlier in the thread the academic facts about vaccines, as was taught to me at university, and as I teach now to young people aged 18+, but no response. The reason mainstream media repeats these academic facts is because you will find them written in textbooks and academic journal articles, having been elucidated by work over many years via the scientific method. | |||
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"End of the day. If you believe everything msm tells you. Have an experimental (vaccine) as you call it. If you're scared about dying from something that whilst very nasty you still have a very high chance of being absolutely fine (co morbidities and vit D deficient aside). Be part of the experiment. If you're fed up of lockdown and want to get your life back ( yes the lockdowns do encourage vaccine uptake. Be part of the experiment. I seem to remember being mocked by the very same people when I said furlough would be extended past April. Hmmmmm and what happened??
I shared earlier in the thread the academic facts about vaccines, as was taught to me at university, and as I teach now to young people aged 18+, but no response. The reason mainstream media repeats these academic facts is because you will find them written in textbooks and academic journal articles, having been elucidated by work over many years via the scientific method. "But it doesn't make randoms on the internet feel superior, so obviously it's wrong. Evidence is a conspiracy | |||
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"Bill Gates has nothing to do with it. The conspiracies around him are bollocks. I just remembered that since I had my polio,tetanus and tb vaccines. I've never caught any of those things. My kids haven't caught meningitis, measles, mumps or rubella. I'm guessing it's because we are vaccinated. Last I heard. The SarsCov2 gene therapies don't stop you catching or spreading. Hmm interesting. So as you can see by this post. I'm not anti vax. (Like that's a bad thing anyway. Ever heard of my body my choice?) Before anyone starts virtue signalling. If you've been vaccinated as you put it. What on earth has what others do have anything to do with yourselves? I suggest you learn the very basics about vaccines before saying such silly things. Wondered when you'd chime in with your mates
I know full well how vaccines work thanks very much.
That's because I read as much as possible (from every angle) Not the one sided garbage spouted out by big tech, msm, and big pharma.
Maybe I should. After all, these companies only have everyone's best interests at heart "I've never met any of these people you call my mates, we share similar view points and are happy to put them across, especially when standing up to people that insist on spreading outright lies and conspiracy nutcases. | |||
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"End of the day. If you believe everything msm tells you. Have an experimental (vaccine) as you call it. If you're scared about dying from something that whilst very nasty you still have a very high chance of being absolutely fine (co morbidities and vit D deficient aside). Be part of the experiment. If you're fed up of lockdown and want to get your life back ( yes the lockdowns do encourage vaccine uptake. Be part of the experiment. I seem to remember being mocked by the very same people when I said furlough would be extended past April. Hmmmmm and what happened?? "It gave you a teeny bit of ammunition to act like you know everything. That's about it. In an ever changing situation, funnily enough, things change. Who'd have thought it eh? | |||
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"Bill Gates has nothing to do with it. The conspiracies around him are bollocks. I just remembered that since I had my polio,tetanus and tb vaccines. I've never caught any of those things. My kids haven't caught meningitis, measles, mumps or rubella. I'm guessing it's because we are vaccinated. Last I heard. The SarsCov2 gene therapies don't stop you catching or spreading. Hmm interesting. So as you can see by this post. I'm not anti vax. (Like that's a bad thing anyway. Ever heard of my body my choice?) Before anyone starts virtue signalling. If you've been vaccinated as you put it. What on earth has what others do have anything to do with yourselves? I suggest you learn the very basics about vaccines before saying such silly things. Wondered when you'd chime in with your mates
I know full well how vaccines work thanks very much.
That's because I read as much as possible (from every angle) Not the one sided garbage spouted out by big tech, msm, and big pharma.
Maybe I should. After all, these companies only have everyone's best interests at heart
I've never met any of these people you call my mates, we share similar view points and are happy to put them across, especially when standing up to people that insist on spreading outright lies and conspiracy nutcases."I'm assuming by conspiracy nut, you mean me. You know when someone's not very bright when they start throwing insults around. Time will tell who's right and wrong. Considering that the phizer trials don't end until 2023. Even phizer aren't absolutely certain. Maybe you can tell them not to bother with the experiment as your wealth of wisdom can show them just how safe their concoction is. Google, phizer lawsuits. Hopefully they'll have tome away from court to listen to you | |||
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"I am not an "anti vaxer" at all, just very cautious about the new ones and to be honest if I am to take one, I prefer to wait, maybe even 2-3 years? Who knows I might change my mind but anyone else has some concerns? I know they say small numbers get blood clots but they have been banned for short time for a reason and what if you end up being that one that gets blood clots? is anyone corcened about this at all? (not looking to be convinced, just seeing if anyone else has any doubts) Would you be happy to have the country in lockdown for those 2-3 years? " That will happen anyway, the goal posts keep changing. The virus will mutate again and again. | |||
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