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By *usybee73 OP Man over a year ago

in the sticks

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56656356

Yet the sage gang say everything is fine ...

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By *aver999Couple over a year ago

East Mids

"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56656356

Yet the sage gang say everything is fine ... "

Not really when you include the full headline "A trial of the Oxford-AstraZeneca Covid vaccine on children has stopped giving out jabs while the UK's medicines regulator investigates a possible link with rare blood clots in adults."

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"there were no safety concerns with the trial itself, but its scientists were waiting for further information."

This is science working as it should

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By *aver999Couple over a year ago

East Mids

"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56656356

Yet the sage gang say everything is fine ...

I meant it to mean it's a non-story, it is what you would expect to happen in a safe trial

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By *alandNitaCouple over a year ago

Scunthorpe

I think it shows how important they take the safety of their patients. There have been 30 incidents of these blood-clots (seven died) out of 18.5 million patients who received the jab. Hopefully the study will be able to provide a way to either identify the patients at risk, or to prevent/treat any reactions.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56656356

Yet the sage gang say everything is fine ... "

It's worth not just putting a pithy interpretation to a fragment of the evaluation, unless you're on an unemployed training scheme, desperate for a Dailly Trail headline assistant etc.

Trials are often paused for collection of and data reviews

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By *usybee73 OP Man over a year ago

in the sticks

"I think it shows how important they take the safety of their patients. There have been 30 incidents of these blood-clots (seven died) out of 18.5 million patients who received the jab. Hopefully the study will be able to provide a way to either identify the patients at risk, or to prevent/treat any reactions. "

Cant they use the same system of any one dying within 28 days? ...

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By *rman82Man over a year ago

Manchester

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By *jonesMan over a year ago

Plymouth

Its interesting how in the uk we have given out far more astra vaccines than Germany or Norway and yet they have detected more cases of this blood clotting ..and now they have discovered the evidence, the antibody I guess triggered by the vaccine that causes it. Two independent research centres in Norway ( I think) and Germany...came to the same results.

In the uk we have just been saying ...well it could happen normally in that many people etc...and it seems, not bothered to try and understand it.

They are due to publish the results in the Lancet..

It's on DW the German version of bbc, interestingly nothing in the uk news on the Norwegian and German discovery ...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56656356

Yet the sage gang say everything is fine ...

Children should not be anywhere near these experimental injections at all, they are not at risk and should be left along and let their immune systems develop. What's wrong with these people????

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56656356

Yet the sage gang say everything is fine ...

Children should not be anywhere near these experimental injections at all, they are not at risk and should be left along and let their immune systems develop. What's wrong with these people????

Long Covid develops in children. Children spread Covid.

The vaccines are approved and are now being tested.

These people are doing a wonderful thing.

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By *mmabluTV/TS over a year ago

upton wirral

"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56656356

Yet the sage gang say everything is fine ...

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By *jonesMan over a year ago

Plymouth

"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56656356

Yet the sage gang say everything is fine ...

Children should not be anywhere near these experimental injections at all, they are not at risk and should be left along and let their immune systems develop. What's wrong with these people????

Long Covid develops in children. Children spread Covid.

The vaccines are approved and are now being tested.

These people are doing a wonderful thing."

I agree the vaccine is good but I am nervous about the speed at which it's happened...if there is found to be something amiss ...its going to be on a horrendous scale.. I am not inspired by our response to the clotting..how we didnt pick it up and other countries have investigated it...and figured it out...

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56656356

Yet the sage gang say everything is fine ...

Children should not be anywhere near these experimental injections at all, they are not at risk and should be left along and let their immune systems develop. What's wrong with these people????

Long Covid develops in children. Children spread Covid.

The vaccines are approved and are now being tested.

These people are doing a wonderful thing.

Vaccinologists have said that any long term effects arise within six weeks. Children are not the same as adults, but even with the clotting this vaccine looks like it has an excellent safety profile so far

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56656356

Yet the sage gang say everything is fine ...

Children should not be anywhere near these experimental injections at all, they are not at risk and should be left along and let their immune systems develop. What's wrong with these people????

Long Covid develops in children. Children spread Covid.

The vaccines are approved and are now being tested.

These people are doing a wonderful thing.

its being blown out of proportion, up to 50% of the population are actively encouraged to take hormonal birth control for up to approx 25 years of their lives , which they wont get as 2 injections then done, its continuous medication from puberty to menopause, at any point that they want to prevent pregnancy, we know that medication can cause blood clots, the risk rate is higher than the vaccine numbers, we still actively encourage it and literally nobody ever talks about it or cares

but now blood clots will be the death of the human race

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By *rman82Man over a year ago

Manchester

"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56656356

Yet the sage gang say everything is fine ...

Children should not be anywhere near these experimental injections at all, they are not at risk and should be left along and let their immune systems develop. What's wrong with these people????

Long Covid develops in children. Children spread Covid.

The vaccines are approved and are now being tested.

These people are doing a wonderful thing.

Vaccinologists also say that clinical trials should last 2 years. Anybody that takes the vaccine is taking part in a clinical trial.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56656356

Yet the sage gang say everything is fine ...

Children should not be anywhere near these experimental injections at all, they are not at risk and should be left along and let their immune systems develop. What's wrong with these people????

Long Covid develops in children. Children spread Covid.

The vaccines are approved and are now being tested.

These people are doing a wonderful thing.

Vaccinologists also say that clinical trials should last 2 years. Anybody that takes the vaccine is taking part in a clinical trial. "

Can you provide a citation for your claim?

I'm citing Paul Offit.

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Cant they use the same system of any one dying within 28 days? ..."

See the issue is this.... if you were to take the 40 to 50 yr group the rate of people getting this is 1 for every 2.5 millions people

If you were to take the same 2.5 million people and not give them any vaccine.... about 20,000 people would die of COVID

So... pick a poison

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Cant they use the same system of any one dying within 28 days? ...

See the issue is this.... if you were to take the 40 to 50 yr group the rate of people getting this is 1 for every 2.5 millions people

If you were to take the same 2.5 million people and not give them any vaccine.... about 20,000 people would die of COVID

So... pick a poison"

That doesn't fit the conspiracy narrative, it's far too sensible and evidence based

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By *rman82Man over a year ago

Manchester

"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56656356

Yet the sage gang say everything is fine ...

Children should not be anywhere near these experimental injections at all, they are not at risk and should be left along and let their immune systems develop. What's wrong with these people????

Long Covid develops in children. Children spread Covid.

The vaccines are approved and are now being tested.

These people are doing a wonderful thing.

Vaccinologists also say that clinical trials should last 2 years. Anybody that takes the vaccine is taking part in a clinical trial.

Can you provide a citation for your claim?

I'm citing Paul Offit."

Whooooom?

Just google it, the average is 6 to 7 years, but the bare minimum is 2 years.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56656356

Yet the sage gang say everything is fine ...

Children should not be anywhere near these experimental injections at all, they are not at risk and should be left along and let their immune systems develop. What's wrong with these people????

Long Covid develops in children. Children spread Covid.

The vaccines are approved and are now being tested.

These people are doing a wonderful thing."

Again, these are experimental mRNA injections with no long term guarantees having only been in existence for less than a year.

So now you're happy that they are being tried on children to see what happens???

These people have no idea what the long term consequences are this is plain child abuse nothing less.

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By *ad NannaWoman over a year ago

East London

Has it been established that the vaccine was the cause of the blood clots?

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56656356

Yet the sage gang say everything is fine ...

Children should not be anywhere near these experimental injections at all, they are not at risk and should be left along and let their immune systems develop. What's wrong with these people????

Long Covid develops in children. Children spread Covid.

The vaccines are approved and are now being tested.

These people are doing a wonderful thing.

Again, these are experimental mRNA injections with no long term guarantees having only been in existence for less than a year.

So now you're happy that they are being tried on children to see what happens???

These people have no idea what the long term consequences are this is plain child abuse nothing less."

The Oxford AZ vaccine is not an mRNA vaccine

Sorry to burst your bubble

Yes I am delighted that they're being tested on children - and the mRNA are ones too, as young as six months.

Does this worry you? Maybe you should relax. Restrictions are easing, life's improving. Enjoy.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Has it been established that the vaccine was the cause of the blood clots?

An Italian doctor said yes earlier today, but I'm not clear if he was speaking in a personal capacity or if he had evidence backing it.

But it's lower risk than the pill, as noted.

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By *jonesMan over a year ago

Plymouth

"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56656356

Yet the sage gang say everything is fine ...

Children should not be anywhere near these experimental injections at all, they are not at risk and should be left along and let their immune systems develop. What's wrong with these people????

Long Covid develops in children. Children spread Covid.

The vaccines are approved and are now being tested.

These people are doing a wonderful thing.

but now blood clots will be the death of the human race

It's the understanding of the mechanism of what's happening thats important...not just the numbers of cases ...there may be milder or other effects...that our trial did not pick up ...or things that occur over time...and have not yet developed ...

Look at the recebt Cumberelege inquiry into pelvic meshes and primrodos ...they have been used for decades..harming ladies ..and all approved and presumably trialled...the results are horrendous and damning ...how it has not been picked up before is unbelievable....and this is in 2020 not 1920...it takes a independent judge to look at the evidence impartially and see things doctors seem to have been blind to ..

I'm not anti vax but I am very cynical about evidence based medicine...and statistics

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56656356

Yet the sage gang say everything is fine ...

Children should not be anywhere near these experimental injections at all, they are not at risk and should be left along and let their immune systems develop. What's wrong with these people????

Long Covid develops in children. Children spread Covid.

The vaccines are approved and are now being tested.

These people are doing a wonderful thing.

but now blood clots will be the death of the human race

I'm not anti vax but I am very cynical about evidence based medicine...and statistics "

And the alternative is... what, exactly?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I've had both my Pfizer jabs, but am watching with caution to see the outcome of the trials in children.

My 3 are old enough at 15, 13 and 10 to make their own decisions if the jabs do gain approval for use in children

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"I've had both my Pfizer jabs, but am watching with caution to see the outcome of the trials in children.

My 3 are old enough at 15, 13 and 10 to make their own decisions if the jabs do gain approval for use in children

I think it's a very brave thing to enrol children in clinical trials like these. I'm glad people are doing so. (I don't have children, I'm not saying "and they must be sacrificed" - it's just, I don't have the option to make that decision)

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56656356

Yet the sage gang say everything is fine ...

Children should not be anywhere near these experimental injections at all, they are not at risk and should be left along and let their immune systems develop. What's wrong with these people????

Long Covid develops in children. Children spread Covid.

The vaccines are approved and are now being tested.

These people are doing a wonderful thing.

but now blood clots will be the death of the human race

I'm not anti vax but I am very cynical about evidence based medicine...and statistics "

absolutely its important to find out why, but that hasn’t stopped people jumping to conclusions that we have issues with the vaccine - the wait for why works both ways

and even when we do find out why it then has to be weighed up against risks of not taking the vaccine at which point it is likely to be determined we are still safer to take it than not , much like all the other medicines we take that have possible side effects in a small number of the population

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I've had both my Pfizer jabs, but am watching with caution to see the outcome of the trials in children.

My 3 are old enough at 15, 13 and 10 to make their own decisions if the jabs do gain approval for use in children

I'm on the fence about it. If they're old enough, like mine, to be able to make an informed choice then crack on

Then again, it's on the parents conscience if they're not and they volunteer them for a trial and they end up fucked, for want of a better word

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"I've had both my Pfizer jabs, but am watching with caution to see the outcome of the trials in children.

My 3 are old enough at 15, 13 and 10 to make their own decisions if the jabs do gain approval for use in children

I'm on the fence about it. If they're old enough, like mine, to be able to make an informed choice then crack on

Then again, it's on the parents conscience if they're not and they volunteer them for a trial and they end up fucked, for want of a better word"

Of course.

I don't think that they'd be trialling this in kids if they didn't think it was overwhelmingly safe

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By *jonesMan over a year ago

Plymouth

"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56656356

Yet the sage gang say everything is fine ...

Children should not be anywhere near these experimental injections at all, they are not at risk and should be left along and let their immune systems develop. What's wrong with these people????

Long Covid develops in children. Children spread Covid.

The vaccines are approved and are now being tested.

These people are doing a wonderful thing.

but now blood clots will be the death of the human race

I'm not anti vax but I am very cynical about evidence based medicine...and statistics

absolutely its important to find out why, but that hasn’t stopped people jumping to conclusions that we have issues with the vaccine - the wait for why works both ways

It's our (uk medics medical researchers etc ).lack of apparent curiosity or caution that concerns me ...we invented the vaccine trialled it etc and yet it's the germans etc that discover this side effect ...do the research and solve the problem in the time we are being told...what are valid points...its a small number, all medicines carry some risk etc...which I accept...but you would think we would have spotted the issue and been first to figure it out ...rather than, it feels, get what seems a slightly dismissive response...and complete lack of coverage in the uk press which I find very weird ...

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56656356

Yet the sage gang say everything is fine ...

Children should not be anywhere near these experimental injections at all, they are not at risk and should be left along and let their immune systems develop. What's wrong with these people????

Long Covid develops in children. Children spread Covid.

The vaccines are approved and are now being tested.

These people are doing a wonderful thing.

but now blood clots will be the death of the human race

I'm not anti vax but I am very cynical about evidence based medicine...and statistics

absolutely its important to find out why, but that hasn’t stopped people jumping to conclusions that we have issues with the vaccine - the wait for why works both ways

The press will not be telling the complete story, of course. I'm sure it's being looked into - the English speaking science communicators I listen to are saying things like "below background levels"

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

"I've had both my Pfizer jabs, but am watching with caution to see the outcome of the trials in children.

My 3 are old enough at 15, 13 and 10 to make their own decisions if the jabs do gain approval for use in children

I'm on the fence about it. If they're old enough, like mine, to be able to make an informed choice then crack on

Then again, it's on the parents conscience if they're not and they volunteer them for a trial and they end up fucked, for want of a better word"

We use a huge number of meds in our children that have never been tested on children due to this very issue. We make educated guesses on dosages by body weight etc. If we're going to use therapeutic agents in children, we need to test them...

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By *aver999Couple over a year ago

East Mids

"I'm not anti vax but I am very cynical about evidence based medicine...and statistics "

So if that's isn't good enough what is, internet idiots or maybe just good old Voodoo?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56656356

Yet the sage gang say everything is fine ...

Children should not be anywhere near these experimental injections at all, they are not at risk and should be left along and let their immune systems develop. What's wrong with these people????

Long Covid develops in children. Children spread Covid.

The vaccines are approved and are now being tested.

These people are doing a wonderful thing.

but now blood clots will be the death of the human race

I'm not anti vax but I am very cynical about evidence based medicine...and statistics

absolutely its important to find out why, but that hasn’t stopped people jumping to conclusions that we have issues with the vaccine - the wait for why works both ways

ther german have had a higher instance of cases so thought it worth the research, in the uk our instance of blood clots after vaccine are lower than the standard expected number of people just going about every day life expected to get blood clots

its like saying we normally have 50 crashes a month in the A9 , but in February we introduced seatbealts then had only 20 crashes - we better investigate why those crashes happened even though its lower than it would normally be

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I've had both my Pfizer jabs, but am watching with caution to see the outcome of the trials in children.

My 3 are old enough at 15, 13 and 10 to make their own decisions if the jabs do gain approval for use in children

I'm on the fence about it. If they're old enough, like mine, to be able to make an informed choice then crack on

Then again, it's on the parents conscience if they're not and they volunteer them for a trial and they end up fucked, for want of a better word

Of course.

I don't think that they'd be trialling this in kids if they didn't think it was overwhelmingly safe"

Fingers crossed

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By *damantMan over a year ago

High Crompton

Air travel causes blood clotting in about 1% of travellers in flights over 4 hours. (Not just flights, bus, train or car journeys are equally 'dangerous').

I am happy to subject myself and my children to a risk that is hundreds of thousands times lower.

Especially when you consider the alternative.

That the licencing organisation is checking, fills me with confidence, not trepidation.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Air travel causes blood clotting in about 1% of travellers in flights over 4 hours. (Not just flights, bus, train or car journeys are equally 'dangerous').

I am happy to subject myself and my children to a risk that is hundreds of thousands times lower.

Especially when you consider the alternative.

That the licencing organisation is checking, fills me with confidence, not trepidation."

Absolutely

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By *jonesMan over a year ago

Plymouth

"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56656356

Yet the sage gang say everything is fine ...

Children should not be anywhere near these experimental injections at all, they are not at risk and should be left along and let their immune systems develop. What's wrong with these people????

Long Covid develops in children. Children spread Covid.

The vaccines are approved and are now being tested.

These people are doing a wonderful thing.

but now blood clots will be the death of the human race

I'm not anti vax but I am very cynical about evidence based medicine...and statistics

absolutely its important to find out why, but that hasn’t stopped people jumping to conclusions that we have issues with the vaccine - the wait for why works both ways

I’m not confident we , the uk doctors, would pick the cases up .... it’s remarkable that numerous other countries did ...before us is the uk genetically different ...? Don’t know .,,

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56656356

Yet the sage gang say everything is fine ...

Children should not be anywhere near these experimental injections at all, they are not at risk and should be left along and let their immune systems develop. What's wrong with these people????

Long Covid develops in children. Children spread Covid.

The vaccines are approved and are now being tested.

These people are doing a wonderful thing.

but now blood clots will be the death of the human race

I'm not anti vax but I am very cynical about evidence based medicine...and statistics

absolutely its important to find out why, but that hasn’t stopped people jumping to conclusions that we have issues with the vaccine - the wait for why works both ways

I’m not confident we , the uk doctors, would pick the cases up .... it’s remarkable that numerous other countries did ...before us is the uk genetically different ...? Don’t know .,,"

We certainly are more obese than them, we certainly have a different demographic profile to them, we certainly are more sedentary than them. It's good to investigate and keep it as safe as possible.oh and we have a very different health provision than them.

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By *ocbigMan over a year ago

Birmingham

Is the profile of the people who have had clots known? As in does it fit a small age demographic for example?

I was surprised (although perhaps shouldn’t have been) to find that most drugs are tested on an ‘average male’ as it were, with fewer female candidates & then dosages worked out via height & weight type calculations despite hugely different hormonal profiles in the genders as a starting point.

The points about long term studies are correct for any drug or treatment...once it is approved & in use any prescription or use is a long term trial by definition.

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

"Is the profile of the people who have had clots known? As in does it fit a small age demographic for example?

The points about long term studies are correct for any drug or treatment...once it is approved & in use any prescription or use is a long term trial by definition. "

Likewise.... I only found that out recently too.... Astonishing in this day and age with inclusivity and gender awareness to the fore, that they are considered acceptable trials. Just goes to show we shouldn't assume anything.

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By *rgasmickMan over a year ago

Visting

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By *rgasmickMan over a year ago

Visting

Well my kids won't be having the miracle jab.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Cant they use the same system of any one dying within 28 days? ...

See the issue is this.... if you were to take the 40 to 50 yr group the rate of people getting this is 1 for every 2.5 millions people

If you were to take the same 2.5 million people and not give them any vaccine.... about 20,000 people would die of COVID

So... pick a poison"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56656356

Yet the sage gang say everything is fine ...

Children should not be anywhere near these experimental injections at all, they are not at risk and should be left along and let their immune systems develop. What's wrong with these people????

Long Covid develops in children. Children spread Covid.

The vaccines are approved and are now being tested.

These people are doing a wonderful thing.

but now blood clots will be the death of the human race

Oh hang on only wimmin take the pill. Who cares, need to shag them without condoms, they should be on the pill.

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By *lirty-CoupleCouple over a year ago

Bexley

7 deaths out of 18 million. That's about a 1:2.5 million risk, similar to being hit by lightning in the UK. Of course it needs to be investigated and sensible precautions taken, but it also needs to be put into perspective. Only time is going to reveal how safe these vaccines are so we can establish their overall effectiveness and benefit.

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By *alandNitaCouple over a year ago

Scunthorpe

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Cant they use the same system of any one dying within 28 days? ..."

Are you saying "record anyone dying within 28 days of receiving a vaccine as 'died post vaccine'".

The answer is that they do record that, but the figures indicate that there is no increase in fatality for those who have been vaccinated. The figures just demonstrate that the vaccines are inherently safe.

Cal

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

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Cant they use the same system of any one dying within 28 days? ...

Are you saying "record anyone dying within 28 days of receiving a vaccine as 'died post vaccine'".

Cal"

One of the "side effects" posted for the Moderna vaccine include someone who got struck by lightning.

... So, they already do this

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

100% this , thats why i think its being blown way out of proportion

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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Cant they use the same system of any one dying within 28 days? ...

Are you saying "record anyone dying within 28 days of receiving a vaccine as 'died post vaccine'".

Cal

One of the "side effects" posted for the Moderna vaccine include someone who got struck by lightning.

... So, they already do this

I need to tell my anti vaxxer 'mate' this. Lightning!

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

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Cant they use the same system of any one dying within 28 days? ...

Are you saying "record anyone dying within 28 days of receiving a vaccine as 'died post vaccine'".

Cal

One of the "side effects" posted for the Moderna vaccine include someone who got struck by lightning.

... So, they already do this

I need to tell my anti vaxxer 'mate' this. Lightning! "

Maybe the microchip made them extra conductive?!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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Cant they use the same system of any one dying within 28 days? ...

Are you saying "record anyone dying within 28 days of receiving a vaccine as 'died post vaccine'".

Cal

One of the "side effects" posted for the Moderna vaccine include someone who got struck by lightning.

... So, they already do this

I need to tell my anti vaxxer 'mate' this. Lightning!

Maybe the microchip made them extra conductive?!

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By *alandNitaCouple over a year ago

Scunthorpe

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Cant they use the same system of any one dying within 28 days? ...

Are you saying "record anyone dying within 28 days of receiving a vaccine as 'died post vaccine'".

Cal

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One of the "side effects" posted for the Moderna vaccine include someone who got struck by lightning.

... So, they already do this

It seems fair to assume that the vaccine will attract lightning strikes. I shall endeavour to keep my Faraday Cage to hand once I've had my jab.

Cal

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

It's like thunder; lightning; the way you love me is frightening...

https://youtu.be/XKuJUxGntRI

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By *ewcouplemidsCouple over a year ago

walsall

"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56656356

Yet the sage gang say everything is fine ...

Children should not be anywhere near these experimental injections at all, they are not at risk and should be left along and let their immune systems develop. What's wrong with these people????

Long Covid develops in children. Children spread Covid.

The vaccines are approved and are now being tested.

These people are doing a wonderful thing.

I suffer from DVT and was given the Oxford vaccine early as the virus itself can cause blood clots in the lungs

I have had no more clots since the vaccine was given so I'm happy to of recieved it

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By *hatawasteMan over a year ago

stafford

"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56656356

Yet the sage gang say everything is fine ...

Children should not be anywhere near these experimental injections at all, they are not at risk and should be left along and let their immune systems develop. What's wrong with these people????

They like to experiment on kids.. Mwahaha?

Nope.. Whether we like it or not all of the species are part of this great live experiment we are involved in so naturally for it to be an effective experiment with real data all age groups have to be involved.. Otherwise in a years time there might be some other variant turning up that directly affects kids on a huge scale.. Will be too late then to start doing anything about it.. I would imagine is how the boffins are thinking..

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By *ewcouplemidsCouple over a year ago

walsall

"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56656356

Yet the sage gang say everything is fine ...

Children should not be anywhere near these experimental injections at all, they are not at risk and should be left along and let their immune systems develop. What's wrong with these people????

They like to experiment on kids.. Mwahaha?

Like people have already said clots can occur at anytime

Specially during long flights or any journey where blood flow may become restricted through sitting still

Other medication such as women's pill can also increase chances of clotting

As can eating too much foods containing vit k

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Well my kids won't be having the miracle jab."

Very sensible decision, it's a gene therapy vaccine.

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By *ocbigMan over a year ago

Birmingham

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Cant they use the same system of any one dying within 28 days? ...

Are you saying "record anyone dying within 28 days of receiving a vaccine as 'died post vaccine'".

Cal

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One of the "side effects" posted for the Moderna vaccine include someone who got struck by lightning.

... So, they already do this

It seems fair to assume that the vaccine will attract lightning strikes. I shall endeavour to keep my Faraday Cage to hand once I've had my jab.

Cal"

Driving home then? Or the train or bus I guess..

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By *ocbigMan over a year ago

Birmingham

"Well my kids won't be having the miracle jab.

Very sensible decision, it's a gene therapy vaccine."

True, might change those pesky kids into adults...

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Well my kids won't be having the miracle jab.

Very sensible decision, it's a gene therapy vaccine.

True, might change those pesky kids into adults..."

In response to the old "vaccines cause autism" hogwash, people have responded "vaccines cause adults"

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By *oncupiscence73Woman over a year ago

South

"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56656356

Yet the sage gang say everything is fine ...

Children should not be anywhere near these experimental injections at all, they are not at risk and should be left along and let their immune systems develop. What's wrong with these people????

Long covid ... transmission... all vaccines are trialled on children so you could say the same thing for flu and flu hasn’t killed quarter of a million people in one year ever.

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By *abs..Woman over a year ago

""there were no safety concerns with the trial itself, but its scientists were waiting for further information."

This is science working as it should

Exactly

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

""there were no safety concerns with the trial itself, but its scientists were waiting for further information."

This is science working as it should

Exactly

^^^More this

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56656356

Yet the sage gang say everything is fine ...

Children should not be anywhere near these experimental injections at all, they are not at risk and should be left along and let their immune systems develop. What's wrong with these people????

Anybody who can be infected by the virus could be a recipient of the vaccine. That the manufacturers only trialled initially on over 16s, doesn't mean that they don't or shouldn't extend that range. It's typical scientific research to progress in stages.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

"Well my kids won't be having the miracle jab.

Very sensible decision, it's a gene therapy vaccine."

That lame BS trotted out again

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By *alandNitaCouple over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"Well my kids won't be having the miracle jab.

Very sensible decision, it's a gene therapy vaccine.

That lame BS trotted out again

I heard the one of the side effects of the second dose was a 20% increase in the size of penises

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

"Well my kids won't be having the miracle jab.

Very sensible decision, it's a gene therapy vaccine.

That lame BS trotted out again

I heard the one of the side effects of the second dose was a 20% increase in the size of penises "

Do you think the same will happen to my clit when I have the second one?

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Well my kids won't be having the miracle jab.

Very sensible decision, it's a gene therapy vaccine.

That lame BS trotted out again

I'm not sure these grand mavericks know the difference between an mRNA vaccine and an adenovirus vaccine

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By *ocbigMan over a year ago

Birmingham

"Well my kids won't be having the miracle jab.

Very sensible decision, it's a gene therapy vaccine.

That lame BS trotted out again

I heard the one of the side effects of the second dose was a 20% increase in the size of penises

Do you think the same will happen to my clit when I have the second one?

What you getting a second clit?...can they do dicks?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Well my kids won't be having the miracle jab.

Very sensible decision, it's a gene therapy vaccine.

That lame BS trotted out again

It's not BS, _naswingdress is warning people about it being a gene therapy vaccine.

I've declined the vaccine offer thanks to her advice

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

"Well my kids won't be having the miracle jab.

Very sensible decision, it's a gene therapy vaccine.

That lame BS trotted out again

It's not BS, _naswingdress is warning people about it being a gene therapy vaccine.

I've declined the vaccine offer thanks to her advice

You declined the vaccine before it was offered. Let's not kid ourselves.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Well my kids won't be having the miracle jab.

Very sensible decision, it's a gene therapy vaccine.

That lame BS trotted out again

It's not BS, _naswingdress is warning people about it being a gene therapy vaccine.

I've declined the vaccine offer thanks to her advice

You declined the vaccine before it was offered. Let's not kid ourselves."

Plus, anyone who didn't see the hyperbole, melodrama and sarcasm in that post needs their eyes checked

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Well my kids won't be having the miracle jab."

I won’t be letting them experiment on my kids either

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

"Well my kids won't be having the miracle jab.

I won’t be letting them experiment on my kids either

A serious question - how do you think other meds/drugs/vaccines your kids may use/have used have been proven safe in the dosages prescribed?

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

"Well my kids won't be having the miracle jab.

I won’t be letting them experiment on my kids either

A serious question - how do you think other meds/drugs/vaccines your kids may use/have used have been proven safe in the dosages prescribed?"

On others... As in... That's someone else's job... Or.. Why hasn't someone else already done this?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Well my kids won't be having the miracle jab.

I won’t be letting them experiment on my kids either

A serious question - how do you think other meds/drugs/vaccines your kids may use/have used have been proven safe in the dosages prescribed?"

Think we both know the answer to that really. Other people are willing to let their kids be trialled on. I’m not willing to let my kids be trialled on so they won’t be.

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By *arakiss12TV/TS over a year ago

Bedford

A bit confused here, vaccine is approved but they are still experimenting on people in the field so to speak.

My cynical side says it`s an attempt at herd immunity disguised as legit protection/prevention.

My common sense side says, well they knew about this virus for along time, like 50 or more years so they`ve had plenty of time to get a basic vaccine and they are tweaking it for the new variants.

If I had children I would say no to giving it to them until fully tested in the lab.

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By *ovebjsMan over a year ago

Bristol

"Well my kids won't be having the miracle jab.

Very sensible decision, it's a gene therapy vaccine."

Just keep telling yourself that

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

"Well my kids won't be having the miracle jab.

I won’t be letting them experiment on my kids either

A serious question - how do you think other meds/drugs/vaccines your kids may use/have used have been proven safe in the dosages prescribed?

Think we both know the answer to that really. Other people are willing to let their kids be trialled on. I’m not willing to let my kids be trialled on so they won’t be. "

Why is it okay for others to participate in trials for the benefit of your children, and what would happen if everyone took the same stance and no children participated in clinical trials?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Well my kids won't be having the miracle jab.

I won’t be letting them experiment on my kids either

A serious question - how do you think other meds/drugs/vaccines your kids may use/have used have been proven safe in the dosages prescribed?

Think we both know the answer to that really. Other people are willing to let their kids be trialled on. I’m not willing to let my kids be trialled on so they won’t be.

Why is it okay for others to participate in trials for the benefit of your children, and what would happen if everyone took the same stance and no children participated in clinical trials?"

i can understand not wanting your own kids to take part in trials

what i cant understand is being outraged at those who are brave enough to do it for what is ultimately your childs benefit

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Well my kids won't be having the miracle jab.

I won’t be letting them experiment on my kids either

A serious question - how do you think other meds/drugs/vaccines your kids may use/have used have been proven safe in the dosages prescribed?

Think we both know the answer to that really. Other people are willing to let their kids be trialled on. I’m not willing to let my kids be trialled on so they won’t be.

Why is it okay for others to participate in trials for the benefit of your children, and what would happen if everyone took the same stance and no children participated in clinical trials?

i can understand not wanting your own kids to take part in trials

what i cant understand is being outraged at those who are brave enough to do it for what is ultimately your childs benefit "

I'm enormously grateful to those who signed themselves and their children up for trials of all sorts. They might well have saved my life several times over, and those I love.

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By *razytimesinloveCouple over a year ago

SW Scotland

"Well my kids won't be having the miracle jab.

I won’t be letting them experiment on my kids either

A serious question - how do you think other meds/drugs/vaccines your kids may use/have used have been proven safe in the dosages prescribed?

Think we both know the answer to that really. Other people are willing to let their kids be trialled on. I’m not willing to let my kids be trialled on so they won’t be.

Why is it okay for others to participate in trials for the benefit of your children, and what would happen if everyone took the same stance and no children participated in clinical trials?"

That’s down to the parents/guardians to decide.

I don’t think about the decisions of everyone else.

It’s my choice to not make my kids have the vaccine, if they decide when they are old enough then it’s entirely up to them.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Well my kids won't be having the miracle jab.

I won’t be letting them experiment on my kids either

A serious question - how do you think other meds/drugs/vaccines your kids may use/have used have been proven safe in the dosages prescribed?

Think we both know the answer to that really. Other people are willing to let their kids be trialled on. I’m not willing to let my kids be trialled on so they won’t be.

Why is it okay for others to participate in trials for the benefit of your children, and what would happen if everyone took the same stance and no children participated in clinical trials?"

Well I can’t stop other parents putting their children forward for clinically trials can I so considering I have no input into what other people do or don’t do with their children that’s why it’s ok as it’s their choice and not mine.

Obviously if no one put their children forward then there wouldn’t be any trials on children.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Well my kids won't be having the miracle jab.

I won’t be letting them experiment on my kids either

A serious question - how do you think other meds/drugs/vaccines your kids may use/have used have been proven safe in the dosages prescribed?

Think we both know the answer to that really. Other people are willing to let their kids be trialled on. I’m not willing to let my kids be trialled on so they won’t be.

Why is it okay for others to participate in trials for the benefit of your children, and what would happen if everyone took the same stance and no children participated in clinical trials?

i can understand not wanting your own kids to take part in trials

what i cant understand is being outraged at those who are brave enough to do it for what is ultimately your childs benefit "

I’m not outraged. I simply stated I wouldn’t let them experiment on my children either. What other people do with their kids isn’t any of my business to be honest.

We all have different opinions. I wouldn’t call it brave to let your child be trialled on personally but each to their own.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

"Well my kids won't be having the miracle jab.

I won’t be letting them experiment on my kids either

A serious question - how do you think other meds/drugs/vaccines your kids may use/have used have been proven safe in the dosages prescribed?

Think we both know the answer to that really. Other people are willing to let their kids be trialled on. I’m not willing to let my kids be trialled on so they won’t be.

Why is it okay for others to participate in trials for the benefit of your children, and what would happen if everyone took the same stance and no children participated in clinical trials?

Obviously if no one put their children forward then there wouldn’t be any trials on children. "

But if there's no trials on children, there's no evidence base upon which to recommend the correct dose of a drug for your child. There's no evidence for the safety of any vaccine that your child may have had, etc.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Well my kids won't be having the miracle jab.

Very sensible decision, it's a gene therapy vaccine.

That lame BS trotted out again

It's not BS, _naswingdress is warning people about it being a gene therapy vaccine.

I've declined the vaccine offer thanks to her advice

You declined the vaccine before it was offered. Let's not kid ourselves.

Plus, anyone who didn't see the hyperbole, melodrama and sarcasm in that post needs their eyes checked

You're posting sarcastic posts about something as serious as a virus/vaccine that has destroyed a world economy and millions of lives?

What the hell is wrong with you?

You don't joke and give misinformation about a subject so gravely serious and important.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Well my kids won't be having the miracle jab.

I won’t be letting them experiment on my kids either

A serious question - how do you think other meds/drugs/vaccines your kids may use/have used have been proven safe in the dosages prescribed?

Think we both know the answer to that really. Other people are willing to let their kids be trialled on. I’m not willing to let my kids be trialled on so they won’t be.

Why is it okay for others to participate in trials for the benefit of your children, and what would happen if everyone took the same stance and no children participated in clinical trials?

i can understand not wanting your own kids to take part in trials

what i cant understand is being outraged at those who are brave enough to do it for what is ultimately your childs benefit

I’m not outraged. I simply stated I wouldn’t let them experiment on my children either. What other people do with their kids isn’t any of my business to be honest.

We all have different opinions. I wouldn’t call it brave to let your child be trialled on personally but each to their own. "

where did i say i was referring to you ?

of course its brave to allow your child to take part in a trial - you are putting your own child at potential risk for the benefit of all other children that come after them (albeit we don’t just jump into testing kids blind we have a fair idea of safety before it ever gets that far)

without any kids every taking part in trials we wouldn’t have any medicine approved for children and we would just have to let them suffer through or potentially die depending on the illness, til they hit adulthood

its an admirable thing to take part in - like i said i get why people don’t want their kids involved but don’t understand why people would want to oppose other families making a brave decision that we can all ultimately benefit from

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Well my kids won't be having the miracle jab.

I won’t be letting them experiment on my kids either

A serious question - how do you think other meds/drugs/vaccines your kids may use/have used have been proven safe in the dosages prescribed?

Think we both know the answer to that really. Other people are willing to let their kids be trialled on. I’m not willing to let my kids be trialled on so they won’t be.

Why is it okay for others to participate in trials for the benefit of your children, and what would happen if everyone took the same stance and no children participated in clinical trials?

Obviously if no one put their children forward then there wouldn’t be any trials on children.

Well we don’t have to worry about that do we as there are other parents out there willing to let there children be trialled on. That’s their choice. We can go back and forth all day but the bottom line is some parents are willing to let their children be trialled on and others will not.

Covid hardly effects a child so I won’t be putting them forward to be experimented on and I may refuse the vaccine full stop for them. My choice.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Well my kids won't be having the miracle jab.

I won’t be letting them experiment on my kids either

A serious question - how do you think other meds/drugs/vaccines your kids may use/have used have been proven safe in the dosages prescribed?

Think we both know the answer to that really. Other people are willing to let their kids be trialled on. I’m not willing to let my kids be trialled on so they won’t be.

Why is it okay for others to participate in trials for the benefit of your children, and what would happen if everyone took the same stance and no children participated in clinical trials?

i can understand not wanting your own kids to take part in trials

what i cant understand is being outraged at those who are brave enough to do it for what is ultimately your childs benefit

I’m not outraged. I simply stated I wouldn’t let them experiment on my children either. What other people do with their kids isn’t any of my business to be honest.

We all have different opinions. I wouldn’t call it brave to let your child be trialled on personally but each to their own.

where did i say i was referring to you ?

Well you quoted part of a convo I was talking in.

Like I said you have your opinion but I still wouldn’t class it as brave or an admirable thing to do

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Well my kids won't be having the miracle jab.

I won’t be letting them experiment on my kids either

A serious question - how do you think other meds/drugs/vaccines your kids may use/have used have been proven safe in the dosages prescribed?

Think we both know the answer to that really. Other people are willing to let their kids be trialled on. I’m not willing to let my kids be trialled on so they won’t be.

Why is it okay for others to participate in trials for the benefit of your children, and what would happen if everyone took the same stance and no children participated in clinical trials?

i can understand not wanting your own kids to take part in trials

what i cant understand is being outraged at those who are brave enough to do it for what is ultimately your childs benefit

I’m not outraged. I simply stated I wouldn’t let them experiment on my children either. What other people do with their kids isn’t any of my business to be honest.

We all have different opinions. I wouldn’t call it brave to let your child be trialled on personally but each to their own.

where did i say i was referring to you ?

Well you quoted part of a convo I was talking in.

Like I said you have your opinion but I still wouldn’t class it as brave or an admirable thing to do"

yes but there were comments after yours that i was agreeing with , the forum doesn’t let you selectively quote just one person unless you go through manually deleting it all

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Well my kids won't be having the miracle jab.

I won’t be letting them experiment on my kids either

A serious question - how do you think other meds/drugs/vaccines your kids may use/have used have been proven safe in the dosages prescribed?

Think we both know the answer to that really. Other people are willing to let their kids be trialled on. I’m not willing to let my kids be trialled on so they won’t be.

Why is it okay for others to participate in trials for the benefit of your children, and what would happen if everyone took the same stance and no children participated in clinical trials?

i can understand not wanting your own kids to take part in trials

what i cant understand is being outraged at those who are brave enough to do it for what is ultimately your childs benefit

I’m not outraged. I simply stated I wouldn’t let them experiment on my children either. What other people do with their kids isn’t any of my business to be honest.

We all have different opinions. I wouldn’t call it brave to let your child be trialled on personally but each to their own.

where did i say i was referring to you ?

Well you quoted part of a convo I was talking in.

Like I said you have your opinion but I still wouldn’t class it as brave or an admirable thing to do

yes but there were comments after yours that i was agreeing with , the forum doesn’t let you selectively quote just one person unless you go through manually deleting it all "

Welll you can’t really complain if someone writes back to you If you didn’t manually delete their comments and quoted a convo they are in.

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By *ombikerMan over a year ago

the right side of the river

I am not anti vax in any way.

I have gotten the normal flu vax for many years. And paid for it myself.

I have had polio, yellow fever and rabies vax for working in far flung places.

But these vaccines seem to be forced very hard on people.

There is no research on these in the long term. When I asked my health insurance about side effects they told me I am not covered for adverse reactions or side effects related to covid 19 vaccination

So I am not anti vax, or a conspiracy tin foil had nutter. But I have no trust in politicians, they care nothing for the minions below them. Here in Ireland 400 a day that's A DAY, develope cancer and they have stopped all cancer testing for the last year. Unlike covid with a 99.99% survival rate, not too many people will beat cancer especially if it is not detected early.

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By *ombikerMan over a year ago

the right side of the river

Well that was a bit of a rant by me.

What was my point I wonder

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Well my kids won't be having the miracle jab.

I won’t be letting them experiment on my kids either

A serious question - how do you think other meds/drugs/vaccines your kids may use/have used have been proven safe in the dosages prescribed?

Think we both know the answer to that really. Other people are willing to let their kids be trialled on. I’m not willing to let my kids be trialled on so they won’t be.

Why is it okay for others to participate in trials for the benefit of your children, and what would happen if everyone took the same stance and no children participated in clinical trials?

i can understand not wanting your own kids to take part in trials

what i cant understand is being outraged at those who are brave enough to do it for what is ultimately your childs benefit

I’m not outraged. I simply stated I wouldn’t let them experiment on my children either. What other people do with their kids isn’t any of my business to be honest.

We all have different opinions. I wouldn’t call it brave to let your child be trialled on personally but each to their own.

where did i say i was referring to you ?

Well you quoted part of a convo I was talking in.

Like I said you have your opinion but I still wouldn’t class it as brave or an admirable thing to do

yes but there were comments after yours that i was agreeing with , the forum doesn’t let you selectively quote just one person unless you go through manually deleting it all

Welll you can’t really complain if someone writes back to you If you didn’t manually delete their comments and quoted a convo they are in. "

i haven’t complained i just said i wasn’t referring to you when you got defensive because you happened to be further back in a chain that was quoted

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By *hatawasteMan over a year ago

stafford

"Well my kids won't be having the miracle jab.

I won’t be letting them experiment on my kids either

A serious question - how do you think other meds/drugs/vaccines your kids may use/have used have been proven safe in the dosages prescribed?

Think we both know the answer to that really. Other people are willing to let their kids be trialled on. I’m not willing to let my kids be trialled on so they won’t be.

Why is it okay for others to participate in trials for the benefit of your children, and what would happen if everyone took the same stance and no children participated in clinical trials?

Obviously if no one put their children forward then there wouldn’t be any trials on children.

Covid hardly effects a child so I won’t be putting them forward to be experimented on and I may refuse the vaccine full stop for them. My choice. "

Interesting reply.. You are happy for other parents to risk their kids ( when it isn't much of a One let's have it right).. Because it's your choice..

So.. Will you be letting get vaccinated when it has been trialled and is reasonably successful on other children ?

What if all children being vaccinated eventually becomes a pre requisite in the future which it might one day? .. Schools, youth clubs, cinemas, ballet and other after school stuff could insist on it..

Would you allow it then or stick to your guns and still say no ?

Curious to know..

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Tens of thousands of children in the UK have Long Covid.

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By *ombikerMan over a year ago

the right side of the river

Official government information is that covid does not have any effect on children and young adults.

Part of the problem is the governments are so inconsistent in their messages and change them to suit whatever current agenda they want to push.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Well my kids won't be having the miracle jab.

I won’t be letting them experiment on my kids either

A serious question - how do you think other meds/drugs/vaccines your kids may use/have used have been proven safe in the dosages prescribed?

Think we both know the answer to that really. Other people are willing to let their kids be trialled on. I’m not willing to let my kids be trialled on so they won’t be.

Why is it okay for others to participate in trials for the benefit of your children, and what would happen if everyone took the same stance and no children participated in clinical trials?

i can understand not wanting your own kids to take part in trials

what i cant understand is being outraged at those who are brave enough to do it for what is ultimately your childs benefit

I’m not outraged. I simply stated I wouldn’t let them experiment on my children either. What other people do with their kids isn’t any of my business to be honest.

We all have different opinions. I wouldn’t call it brave to let your child be trialled on personally but each to their own.

where did i say i was referring to you ?

Well you quoted part of a convo I was talking in.

Like I said you have your opinion but I still wouldn’t class it as brave or an admirable thing to do

yes but there were comments after yours that i was agreeing with , the forum doesn’t let you selectively quote just one person unless you go through manually deleting it all

Welll you can’t really complain if someone writes back to you If you didn’t manually delete their comments and quoted a convo they are in.

i haven’t complained i just said i wasn’t referring to you when you got defensive because you happened to be further back in a chain that was quoted "

I was one comment back and that’s fine replace complained with question