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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It's to encourage us to take it slow.
This too.
I note that the CDC has changed advice re fully vaccinated people in the US."
The CDC website says vaccination stops people getting infected.  |
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By *D835Man
over a year ago
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"Boris said today that two vaccinated people shouldn't meet indoors as the vaccine isn't 100% effective. So how can we ever get back to normal socialising ?"
Well he didn't say it will never happen, more like we can't do so *yet*
We will eventually be able to meet indoors with unlimited number of people when all social restrictions are lifted after June 17.
Even though we are doing well with the vaccine rollout at the moment, so far, only 4.5 million adults have had *both* doses of the vaccine. The rest have had only one dose or nothing at all.
So if we allow too much mixing indoors at this stage, it will cause infections to soar leading to an increase in hospitalisations. |
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"It's to encourage us to take it slow.
This too.
I note that the CDC has changed advice re fully vaccinated people in the US.
The CDC website says vaccination stops people getting infected. "
There is some evidence to suggest that in some vaccines. But not others. (we also know that polio vaccination doesn't prevent infection - and yet we're approaching eradication)
It's a challenging choice, what to tell the public and why. Different public health bodies draw different lines for different reasons.
I take the message, it's not safe to do so given the current position of the UK. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Having just driven through the local town of Whitstable i am more concerned with the fact that there were at least 100 or so people crammed together outside a kebab shop and a coffee shop (not a mask in sight) than a couple of people indoors. |
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By *rman82Man
over a year ago
Manchester |
"Way better than a "just go for it message" I don't want another lockdown lol"
It doesn’t matter whether you do or you don’t, your actions won’t control whether there is another lockdown or not. The government like to guilt us into thinking that is the case but, whilst parliament is acting the way it is, they can do as they please.
Lockdown, no lockdown the virus will spread, luckily it’s got a 99.8% survival rate so I’d live your life to the full...there will only ever be more and more restrictions around the corner. Party Hard! |
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By *arkus1812Man
over a year ago
Lifes departure lounge NN9 Northamptonshire East not West MidlandsMidlands |
During the last couple of weeks I have had Heating engineer, Plumber and Electrician working in my house but I am unable to allow to have my Sister visit me despite her having had both vaccinations and then a negative test 3 days ago.
Looking at the number of cars parked in my Close today I would appear that almost every house had visitors. |
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"During the last couple of weeks I have had Heating engineer, Plumber and Electrician working in my house but I am unable to allow to have my Sister visit me despite her having had both vaccinations and then a negative test 3 days ago.
Looking at the number of cars parked in my Close today I would appear that almost every house had visitors."
It's frustrating, but it's important to keep doing the right thing |
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By *ad NannaWoman
over a year ago
East London |
Once they have a better understanding of how the virus mutates and how our hospitals will cope, then I suspect they might relax the rules.
If everyone went back to normal all at the same time we could have people dying unnecessarily.
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"During the last couple of weeks I have had Heating engineer, Plumber and Electrician working in my house but I am unable to allow to have my Sister visit me despite her having had both vaccinations and then a negative test 3 days ago.
Looking at the number of cars parked in my Close today I would appear that almost every house had visitors."
I'm assuming that you could move to a different room while the tradespeople were working? That's what the guidance is... One assumes you'd be sitting in the same room as your sister if she visits? The issue with indoors is that people think it's easy to stay distanced but it's not, people get closer, hug, kiss etc and that's how it spreads.
However, if you or your sister are single people, you could form a social bubble and visit each other exclusively. |
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It's pretty simple. The more and more people who get vaccinated, the lesser the risk for everybody in that network of interactions.
This will be around for years and one say we'll have to treat it like the flu (etc.)
We've done what, 50-60% of the country so far? A month or so on that number will be up even further and the effect that has on transmission (well less so that, but more so a massively adverse effect) is exponential. |
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"It's pretty simple. The more and more people who get vaccinated, the lesser the risk for everybody in that network of interactions.
This will be around for years and one say we'll have to treat it like the flu (etc.)
We've done what, 50-60% of the country so far? A month or so on that number will be up even further and the effect that has on transmission (well less so that, but more so a massively adverse effect) is exponential."
Less, because all approved jabs are two doses.
But otherwise yes |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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So if we have the two jabs we can't meet others, we still have to wear masks, we still have to distance, we are not immune and it doesn't stop us passing it on. So why are we having a jab for something with a 99.8% recovery rate? It's a bit of a mystery to us. Can somebody please shed some light on this illogical situation. X |
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"So if we have the two jabs we can't meet others, we still have to wear masks, we still have to distance, we are not immune and it doesn't stop us passing it on. So why are we having a jab for something with a 99.8% recovery rate? It's a bit of a mystery to us. Can somebody please shed some light on this illogical situation. X"
I'm afraid you've got some out of date and some misinformation all mashed up in there, no wonder it looks illogical.
It's ok. |
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"So if we have the two jabs we can't meet others, we still have to wear masks, we still have to distance, we are not immune and it doesn't stop us passing it on. So why are we having a jab for something with a 99.8% recovery rate? It's a bit of a mystery to us. Can somebody please shed some light on this illogical situation. X"
Official Government website is a good place to start.
Don't listen to the politicians as you've got some numpties giving out wrong advice even now, but take a read into transmission rates, the effect of dosing out the entire population (not simply individuals).
Fab isn't a great place for actual info on this! |
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"So what’s the point of vaccination passports if no two vaccinated people can meet indoors? "
I'm against vaccination passports personally. It's a slippery slope.
The indoor rule meet should not be seen on an individual by individual basis. It should be viewed in respect to the percentage of the population with two jabs.
In effect, this is what the 'roadmap' per se echos. The more vaccinated, the safer it generally is to meet people to the capacities we did before.
You -have- to make some arbitrary rules because of you don't it's a free for all (not sure why people done get this, too much of a egocentric view).
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"So if we have the two jabs we can't meet others, we still have to wear masks, we still have to distance, we are not immune and it doesn't stop us passing it on. So why are we having a jab for something with a 99.8% recovery rate? It's a bit of a mystery to us. Can somebody please shed some light on this illogical situation. X"
firstly it does help stop us catching it... it also reduces the possibility of passing it on if you happen to catch it quite considerably from the research coming out now
The reason why we still have to wear a mask.. make spade and abide by social distancing is that not everyone has had even 1 dose yet x |
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"The reason why we still have to wear a mask.. make spade and abide by social distancing is that not everyone has had even 1 dose yet x"
Bingo! Think of us 20-odd year old still waiting patiently... |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
upton wirral |
"Boris said today that two vaccinated people shouldn't meet indoors as the vaccine isn't 100% effective. So how can we ever get back to normal socialising ?"
Well when I have had to will meet people who have had one vaccination
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"So what’s the point of vaccination passports if no two vaccinated people can meet indoors? "
By the time any form of vaccination passport is actually implemented, there will be a point to it. Although if it takes as long to do passports as it did to do the test & trace app, it might well have gone past the moment when they could be of any use at all. |
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"All the over 80s I know have had both doses of Pfizer and none had any side effects whatsoever"
My Dad had zero side effects. It could mean he has zero immune response too, though! He seems fine for now and that's all we can do. |
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By *arkus1812Man
over a year ago
Lifes departure lounge NN9 Northamptonshire East not West MidlandsMidlands |
"All the over 80s I know have had both doses of Pfizer and none had any side effects whatsoever"
I too am over 80 and have had two Pfizer jabs 12 weeks apart, I have had no after effects whatsoever. |
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I've met my close fwb we both had vaccines. It's seriously bad for mental health to be alone too much. I think bubbles are still allowed? Some people live alone like me.
If we don't all get vaccinated and the government allow us out more people will start dying from mental health than covid.. |
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