I have seen few posts on social media where people are going mad with some of the new rules. No social distancing, no masks some sort of concert in Manchester. Really? Recipe for disaster. Yes we are all tired and fed up of this virus but it is still very active and killing. The lack of respect and solidarity is staggering  |
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the thing in Manchester was just a crowd of people gathering in Castlefield bowl.. its like the old pop up raves from 1989 are back.. People are struggling i think and at end of tethers particularly the young |
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The same young people will be the ones moaning in 10 to 15 yrs time bout how Covid fucked us all and left us wearing masks for years.to come. Selfish pricks..
We are all bored of it and want to be free of it. Not just the young!!! These are the same young who when Press conferences displaying Scientific data are on are too busy playing Call of Duty. |
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"Freedom is a distant memory."
Its not about Freedom its about being rid of this Virus. Our Grandparents lived through the bloody Blitz and rationing, strikes, 4 day weeks.. we are moaning about wearing a bloody mask.. |
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Our people fought and died for freedom just so our own government can take it away? Lies, misinformation and business interests have allowed the situation to get so bad. The lockdown was a half ass attempt to slow the virus. My whole family has had it, it's not that bad unless you are already old and sick. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"I have seen few posts on social media where people are going mad with some of the new rules. No social distancing, no masks some sort of concert in Manchester. Really? Recipe for disaster. Yes we are all tired and fed up of this virus but it is still very active and killing. The lack of respect and solidarity is staggering "
Agree 100% but little can be done in a demorcratic country like the UK,it is the price of democracy ultimately the vaccine is the only way out |
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
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"The same young people will be the ones moaning in 10 to 15 yrs time bout how Covid fucked us all and left us wearing masks for years.to come. Selfish pricks..
We are all bored of it and want to be free of it. Not just the young!!! These are the same young who when Press conferences displaying Scientific data are on are too busy playing Call of Duty. "
You meen the young who have no idea wen they gona get a jab them young.i 49 nxt month but seems as they have halted invites for a month now no idea wen i getting mine so i imagine if your in ya 20s you will be thinking fuck this bollocks.i know i would be if i was that young |
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"Our people fought and died for freedom just so our own government can take it away? Lies, misinformation and business interests have allowed the situation to get so bad. The lockdown was a half ass attempt to slow the virus. My whole family has had it, it's not that bad unless you are already old and sick. "
I think 120,000+ people would disagree with you if they still could... |
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"Our people fought and died for freedom just so our own government can take it away? Lies, misinformation and business interests have allowed the situation to get so bad. The lockdown was a half ass attempt to slow the virus. My whole family has had it, it's not that bad unless you are already old and sick. "
And Fred West was really innocent n misunderstood!!! there is no rythme or reason to why covid causes death, some with underlying issues yes, others no |
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"Our people fought and died for freedom just so our own government can take it away? Lies, misinformation and business interests have allowed the situation to get so bad. The lockdown was a half ass attempt to slow the virus. My whole family has had it, it's not that bad unless you are already old and sick. "
Unless you're not already old and sick and the virus still kills you or leaves you permanently disabled.
So there's that. |
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"Oh no there's a chance we could die. That's life, we don't live forever. Driving to work could get you killed. Oh I forgot who has a job these days?"
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By *abs..Woman
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"The same young people will be the ones moaning in 10 to 15 yrs time bout how Covid fucked us all and left us wearing masks for years.to come. Selfish pricks..
We are all bored of it and want to be free of it. Not just the young!!! These are the same young who when Press conferences displaying Scientific data are on are too busy playing Call of Duty. "
It isn’t just young people. People of all ages and backgrounds have been breaking the rules throughout the whole thing. |
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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago
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"Our people fought and died for freedom just so our own government can take it away? Lies, misinformation and business interests have allowed the situation to get so bad. The lockdown was a half ass attempt to slow the virus. My whole family has had it, it's not that bad unless you are already old and sick. "
You are wrong. |
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"The same young people will be the ones moaning in 10 to 15 yrs time bout how Covid fucked us all and left us wearing masks for years.to come. Selfish pricks..
We are all bored of it and want to be free of it. Not just the young!!! These are the same young who when Press conferences displaying Scientific data are on are too busy playing Call of Duty.
You meen the young who have no idea wen they gona get a jab them young.i 49 nxt month but seems as they have halted invites for a month now no idea wen i getting mine so i imagine if your in ya 20s you will be thinking fuck this bollocks.i know i would be if i was that young"
Isnt that a good enough reason to remain cautious,maintain social distancing ?i have had my jab yet im not one of the hoards meeting up.
All ages have been affected ffs not just the young. |
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"What staggered us was the rubbish; across the country it seems not one bloody bin used! We do wonder how many of those responsible also protest to protect the planet..."
I agree. The Concept of taking your rubbish home with you seems completely lost... Along with the Costa coffee cups, the dog shit that owners leave either on the path or swinging from a branch in an adjacent bush.
Having said that, and it in no way excuses it... But the local authorities, the ones we all pay such high council taxes too... Might consider emptying some of the handful of public bins they leave around more than once a quarter.
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" What's your point? Get a grip on what? Am I not PC enough for you? Dislike when someone speaks their mind?"
I dont give 2 F**ks about pc, when you compare death of covid to car accidents, wtf, and talking about loss of freedom, exactly what freedom have you lost, you have all your constitutional rights, you still have freedom of movement.. |
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"the thing in Manchester was just a crowd of people gathering in Castlefield bowl.. its like the old pop up raves from 1989 are back.. People are struggling i think and at end of tethers particularly the young "
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"Our people fought and died for freedom just so our own government can take it away? Lies, misinformation and business interests have allowed the situation to get so bad. The lockdown was a half ass attempt to slow the virus. My whole family has had it, it's not that bad unless you are already old and sick. "
Who fought and died for freedom exactly? |
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" What's your point? Get a grip on what? Am I not PC enough for you? Dislike when someone speaks their mind?
I dont give 2 F**ks about pc, when you compare death of covid to car accidents, wtf, and talking about loss of freedom, exactly what freedom have you lost, you have all your constitutional rights, you still have freedom of movement.. "
If you choose to move around |
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freedom of speech baby! I can compare covid to car crashes because why not? The stats are fudged, the government is inept and many people are happily endorsing it. |
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"freedom of speech baby! I can compare covid to car crashes because why not? The stats are fudged, the government is inept and many people are happily endorsing it. "
Have a good day baby, don't forget to mask up and sanitise |
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"Oh no there's a chance we could die. That's life, we don't live forever. Driving to work could get you killed. Oh I forgot who has a job these days?"
When you drive you wear a seatbelt to minimise the risk ... you drive the right side of the road.. stop at lights and junctions all these things to minimise the risk. Masks and social distancing are no different.
My 28 year old friend died last week of covid no underlying health conditions your arrogance is astounding. |
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"Freedom is a distant memory.
Oh fgs ... wear a mask ..... seriously we are hardly losing freedoms. Get a grip
You are right.
We have lost them already.
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I'm genuinely interested in what freedoms you think have been lost . |
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"Oh no there's a chance we could die. That's life, we don't live forever. Driving to work could get you killed. Oh I forgot who has a job these days?
When you drive you wear a seatbelt to minimise the risk ... you drive the right side of the road.. stop at lights and junctions all these things to minimise the risk. Masks and social distancing are no different.
My 28 year old friend died last week of covid no underlying health conditions your arrogance is astounding. "
Totally agree with your post ...so sorry for your loss x |
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It's like an echo chamber in here. Just shows that people still die because the lockdown never was and never will be effective. I worked in China when this started and they did a proper lockdown and now they have very few cases and life is almost normal there. |
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Tbf I'm no conspiracy theorist but this new police act is more than a little concerning.
Whether that is related to covid or they are just trying to bring it in under the radar,but it is quite worrying.
10 years for defacing a statue for eg. |
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"What staggered us was the rubbish; across the country it seems not one bloody bin used! We do wonder how many of those responsible also protest to protect the planet..."
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"Our people fought and died for freedom just so our own government can take it away? Lies, misinformation and business interests have allowed the situation to get so bad. The lockdown was a half ass attempt to slow the virus. My whole family has had it, it's not that bad unless you are already old and sick. "
Complete and utter bollocks! You want to see what Lies, misinformation and business interests feel like go try living in Myanmar, Hong Kong or any of the other oppressed countries and see what they are having to live through! But don't even try to compare that with what we're doing to try and get some normality back in our lives. |
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"freedom of speech baby! I can compare covid to car crashes because why not? The stats are fudged, the government is inept and many people are happily endorsing it. "
I think many people are just trying to do what's needed to get us through this and out the other side. And we will get their faster if some people took a bit more responsibility. I think the freedoms comment is a bit of hyperbole. The freedoms that most of our grandparents fought for were to repel the nazis from France, Netherlands, Belgium, Greece, Germany and Russia so their citizens were safe from their invaders. From Jews gays and gypseys being slaughtered in concentration camps. I'm not sure how wearing a face mask and being asked to modify our behaviours so that we manage our way through a global pandemic equates. |
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"It's like an echo chamber in here. Just shows that people still die because the lockdown never was and never will be effective. I worked in China when this started and they did a proper lockdown and now they have very few cases and life is almost normal there. "
In one reply you say that lockdowns are not effective and at the same time that they work.
Which is it? |
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"It's like an echo chamber in here. Just shows that people still die because the lockdown never was and never will be effective. I worked in China when this started and they did a proper lockdown and now they have very few cases and life is almost normal there. "
Because China are completely open and transparent with their numbers  |
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I speak regularly to people still living in China. The bars and restaurants are open and life is basically normal. Don't forget they went through this with SARS so they have experience. |
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"It's like an echo chamber in here. Just shows that people still die because the lockdown never was and never will be effective. I worked in China when this started and they did a proper lockdown and now they have very few cases and life is almost normal there.
In one reply you say that lockdowns are not effective and at the same time that they work.
Which is it? "
the ops on the fence me thinks with effectiveness or non effectiveness of lockdown |
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"I speak regularly to people still living in China. The bars and restaurants are open and life is basically normal. Don't forget they went through this with SARS so they have experience. "
Yes, they know how to use a mask! |
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"The lockdown in the UK is ineffective I didn't say the general notion of a lockdown is flawed. "
Why has the lockdown in The UK been less effective, cuz ppl haven't respected it, like they did in China, plus China effected martial law during it go figure who is to blame for it being flawed |
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Really? I didn't know that you had all the facts and figures. The lockdown didn't even restrict travel for months so I think you don't have a clue what you're talking about. |
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"Really? I didn't know that you had all the facts and figures. The lockdown didn't even restrict travel for months so I think you don't have a clue what you're talking about. "
A lockdown not restricting travelling aint a lockdown its normal lol |
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"Oh so you was in China while this martial law was in effect? Strange I never seen or heard anything like that. "
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By *ty31Man
over a year ago
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"Freedom is a distant memory.
Oh fgs ... wear a mask ..... seriously we are hardly losing freedoms. Get a grip
You are right.
We have lost them already.
I'm genuinely interested in what freedoms you think have been lost ."
Do I really need to make a list?
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The reality is that in the belief it was for the greater good the people of the UK surrender their rights of movement and some of their basic liberties. The result of these sacrifices is debatable as the concern is that now we have closed everything and restricted everything and stalled the economy the government and the scientists do not seem able to find a way to reopen, restart and normalise again. This is without mentioning the implications of "vaccine passports" etc if such things come into being. |
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i just see a lot of people talking as if they are epidemiologists and experts on world affairs. Pardon my scepticism but I'm guessing most barely know what lies outside of our little islands. |
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"Oh so you was in China while this martial law was in effect? Strange I never seen or heard anything like that. "
https://www.business-standard.com/article/news-ani/china-declares-martial-law-in-baoding-over-new-covid-19-cluster-detected-at-beijing-market-120061500403_1.html
Just a little link i suggest you read, but then again you were in China, I've never been and know about them implementing martial law |
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"i just see a lot of people talking as if they are epidemiologists and experts on world affairs. Pardon my scepticism but I'm guessing most barely know what lies outside of our little islands. "
Now just being rude n offensive
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By (user no longer on site)
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Plenty of replies to me have been rude so I just don't care anymore. I lived and worked in China for nearly 5 years. Didn't see any military lockdown where I was not have my friends since. |
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"Plenty of replies to me have been rude so I just don't care anymore. I lived and worked in China for nearly 5 years. Didn't see any military lockdown where I was not have my friends since. "
Not getting the replies you hoped for Op strange how a public forum works |
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"Our people fought and died for freedom just so our own government can take it away? Lies, misinformation and business interests have allowed the situation to get so bad. The lockdown was a half ass attempt to slow the virus. My whole family has had it, it's not that bad unless you are already old and sick. "
Just because your family were not that bad doesnt mean its not deadly. Try telling that to the family of the healthy teacher at my daughters school.
Get off your blame the Government high horse. Blame the idiots refusing to wear masks, blame the idiots still meeting up in large groups, blame those attending the marches.. |
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"Our people fought and died for freedom just so our own government can take it away? Lies, misinformation and business interests have allowed the situation to get so bad. The lockdown was a half ass attempt to slow the virus. My whole family has had it, it's not that bad unless you are already old and sick. "
Not everyone knows they are sick .. covid doesn’t choose .. your family are very lucky not to have been ill .. let’s hope in the months to come .. it hasn’t affected any of their vital organs ... I now have severe heart failure caused by covid .. I was not I’ll , but 5 months later WOW... |
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I'll blame the government because I'm free to do so. Your comments are just copy paste. Try coming up with your own ideas, do your own research and maybe you will sto being so ignorant. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I never claimed that covid wasn't dangerous. I don't like hearing stories of people dying or getting long term conditions but that doesn't mean everyone has to have their life ruined. People commit suicide because of this bullshit but no one cares about that? |
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"I never claimed that covid wasn't dangerous. I don't like hearing stories of people dying or getting long term conditions but that doesn't mean everyone has to have their life ruined. People commit suicide because of this bullshit but no one cares about that? "
Now you claimed sick or elderly...
and yes we just had my 18 year old daughters best friend take his life ........
Another friend of hers has lost their mum to covid age 42 .. no sick or old
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"Our people fought and died for freedom just so our own government can take it away? Lies, misinformation and business interests have allowed the situation to get so bad. The lockdown was a half ass attempt to slow the virus. My whole family has had it, it's not that bad unless you are already old and sick.
Just because your family were not that bad doesnt mean its not deadly. Try telling that to the family of the healthy teacher at my daughters school.
Get off your blame the Government high horse. Blame the idiots refusing to wear masks, blame the idiots still meeting up in large groups, blame those attending the marches.. "
Yep lets not blame the pm who tried to ignore it and then specially ignored scientists who told him not to shake hands with covid patients. |
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People are quick to blame each other when the government was obviously ignoring warnings and not protecting our country. I wish I had never came back. It's such a shame what a mess the UK has become. |
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"Freedom is a distant memory.
Oh fgs ... wear a mask ..... seriously we are hardly losing freedoms. Get a grip
You are right.
We have lost them already.
I'm genuinely interested in what freedoms you think have been lost .
Do I really need to make a list?
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The reality is that in the belief it was for the greater good the people of the UK surrender their rights of movement and some of their basic liberties. The result of these sacrifices is debatable as the concern is that now we have closed everything and restricted everything and stalled the economy the government and the scientists do not seem able to find a way to reopen, restart and normalise again. This is without mentioning the implications of "vaccine passports" etc if such things come into being."
I agree with vaccine passports. |
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By *rder66Man
over a year ago
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"freedom of speech baby! I can compare covid to car crashes because why not? The stats are fudged, the government is inept and many people are happily endorsing it. "
The UK doesn't have freedom of speech only freedom of expression to which can be resticted under law.
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"Disgusted by the cowardly behaviour. It's such a shame we lost our will to live full lives somewhere along the line. "
Living full lives = having no social conscious and thinking your right to pubs and casual sex comes before people’s actual lives |
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You don't know nothing about my life. You just assume I want to go pubs and get laid. No. I want to go back to work. Then I'll go to the pub and get laid. |
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"Our people fought and died for freedom just so our own government can take it away? Lies, misinformation and business interests have allowed the situation to get so bad. The lockdown was a half ass attempt to slow the virus. My whole family has had it, it's not that bad unless you are already old and sick. "
Tell that to the families of the 125,000 who have died. Lockdown may have been half assessed but without any intervention we would have seen at least another 125,000 deaths |
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"People are quick to blame each other when the government was obviously ignoring warnings and not protecting our country. I wish I had never came back. It's such a shame what a mess the UK has become. "
Well don’t let the boarder doors hit you on the way back out |
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"Freedom is a distant memory.
Oh fgs ... wear a mask ..... seriously we are hardly losing freedoms. Get a grip
You are right.
We have lost them already.
I'm genuinely interested in what freedoms you think have been lost .
Do I really need to make a list?
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The reality is that in the belief it was for the greater good the people of the UK surrender their rights of movement and some of their basic liberties. The result of these sacrifices is debatable as the concern is that now we have closed everything and restricted everything and stalled the economy the government and the scientists do not seem able to find a way to reopen, restart and normalise again. This is without mentioning the implications of "vaccine passports" etc if such things come into being."
Vaccine certificates have existed for decades. It's not a new concept. |
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over a year ago
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"Freedom is a distant memory.
Oh fgs ... wear a mask ..... seriously we are hardly losing freedoms. Get a grip
You are right.
We have lost them already.
I'm genuinely interested in what freedoms you think have been lost .
Do I really need to make a list?
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The reality is that in the belief it was for the greater good the people of the UK surrender their rights of movement and some of their basic liberties. The result of these sacrifices is debatable as the concern is that now we have closed everything and restricted everything and stalled the economy the government and the scientists do not seem able to find a way to reopen, restart and normalise again. This is without mentioning the implications of "vaccine passports" etc if such things come into being.
I agree with vaccine passports. "
That's your right to do so.
People have a right to be concerned about the implications of such measures also |
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"i just see a lot of people talking as if they are epidemiologists and experts on world affairs. Pardon my scepticism but I'm guessing most barely know what lies outside of our little islands. "
Now you might be onto something there. |
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"the thing in Manchester was just a crowd of people gathering in Castlefield bowl.. its like the old pop up raves from 1989 are back.. People are struggling i think and at end of tethers particularly the young "
“people are struggling” - yes i agree , but a pop up rave for your mental health , nah not buying it
in a society where we have instant gratification for pretty much anything at the touch of a button, some people really haven’t developed any personal resilience skills |
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"The same young people will be the ones moaning in 10 to 15 yrs time bout how Covid fucked us all and left us wearing masks for years.to come. Selfish pricks..
We are all bored of it and want to be free of it. Not just the young!!! These are the same young who when Press conferences displaying Scientific data are on are too busy playing Call of Duty.
You meen the young who have no idea wen they gona get a jab them young.i 49 nxt month but seems as they have halted invites for a month now no idea wen i getting mine so i imagine if your in ya 20s you will be thinking fuck this bollocks.i know i would be if i was that young"
and yet the govt haven’t announced a change to the target of offering everyone by the summer, or changes to the timeline for opening up yet - so it seems like they do have an idea of when they will get it and an idea of when they will have more freedoms - only it highly probable their own behaviour will make the situation worse and push those dates back - oh the irony |
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Thought you were going back to a beach to have a laugh at the rest of us and as you said you wished you’d never left China ???? I assumed that’s were you’d go
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"The same young people will be the ones moaning in 10 to 15 yrs time bout how Covid fucked us all and left us wearing masks for years.to come. Selfish pricks..
We are all bored of it and want to be free of it. Not just the young!!! These are the same young who when Press conferences displaying Scientific data are on are too busy playing Call of Duty.
You meen the young who have no idea wen they gona get a jab them young.i 49 nxt month but seems as they have halted invites for a month now no idea wen i getting mine so i imagine if your in ya 20s you will be thinking fuck this bollocks.i know i would be if i was that young
and yet the govt haven’t announced a change to the target of offering everyone by the summer, or changes to the timeline for opening up yet - so it seems like they do have an idea of when they will get it and an idea of when they will have more freedoms - only it highly probable their own behaviour will make the situation worse and push those dates back - oh the irony "
Thats the most frustrating part. The very people callimg for lockdown to be lifted are the very ones prolonging it by not sticking to the rules. |
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"The lockdown in the UK is ineffective I didn't say the general notion of a lockdown is flawed.
Why has the lockdown in The UK been less effective, cuz ppl haven't respected it, like they did in China, plus China effected martial law during it go figure who is to blame for it being flawed "
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"I'll blame the government because I'm free to do so. Your comments are just copy paste. Try coming up with your own ideas, do your own research and maybe you will sto being so ignorant. "
well at least he is consistent with his advice vs what he does
“make up your own ideas”
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"The lockdown in the UK is ineffective I didn't say the general notion of a lockdown is flawed.
Why has the lockdown in The UK been less effective, cuz ppl haven't respected it, like they did in China, plus China effected martial law during it go figure who is to blame for it being flawed
but hey, our freedoms are being removed dont you know
what we should have done was something like china .... oh wait "
I suspect the point was China had an effective lockdown worthy of the word lockdown. Which ironically removed freedoms considerably more. But it was relatively Short,more effective, enforced hard, then got back to "normality"... Rather than death by 1000 cuts. Our lockdown by contrast has been more of a " mildly inconvenience people down" which the poster makes a fair point about. |
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"The lockdown in the UK is ineffective I didn't say the general notion of a lockdown is flawed.
Why has the lockdown in The UK been less effective, cuz ppl haven't respected it, like they did in China, plus China effected martial law during it go figure who is to blame for it being flawed
but hey, our freedoms are being removed dont you know
what we should have done was something like china .... oh wait
I suspect the point was China had an effective lockdown worthy of the word lockdown. Which ironically removed freedoms considerably more. But it was relatively Short,more effective, enforced hard, then got back to "normality"... Rather than death by 1000 cuts. Our lockdown by contrast has been more of a " mildly inconvenience people down" which the poster makes a fair point about. "
i understand that , however the same poster has also complained that our freedoms are being removed - you can’t suggest we shouldn’t have a lockdown because we are entitled to our freedoms, on the same thread argue that a stronger lockdown with more restriction of freedoms was a better choice, and not expect for someone to highlight the hypocrisy
to me arguing both opposite points just proves its just every and any excuse to be mad at the government, lash out , blame someone else - wouldn’t matter what action we take if someone wants to find a reason to be mad either way |
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"The lockdown in the UK is ineffective I didn't say the general notion of a lockdown is flawed.
Why has the lockdown in The UK been less effective, cuz ppl haven't respected it, like they did in China, plus China effected martial law during it go figure who is to blame for it being flawed
but hey, our freedoms are being removed dont you know
what we should have done was something like china .... oh wait
I suspect the point was China had an effective lockdown worthy of the word lockdown. Which ironically removed freedoms considerably more. But it was relatively Short,more effective, enforced hard, then got back to "normality"... Rather than death by 1000 cuts. Our lockdown by contrast has been more of a " mildly inconvenience people down" which the poster makes a fair point about.
i understand that , however the same poster has also complained that our freedoms are being removed - you can’t suggest we shouldn’t have a lockdown because we are entitled to our freedoms, on the same thread argue that a stronger lockdown with more restriction of freedoms was a better choice, and not expect for someone to highlight the hypocrisy
to me arguing both opposite points just proves its just every and any excuse to be mad at the government, lash out , blame someone else - wouldn’t matter what action we take if someone wants to find a reason to be mad either way "
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"Freedom is a distant memory.
Oh fgs ... wear a mask ..... seriously we are hardly losing freedoms. Get a grip
You are right.
We have lost them already.
I'm genuinely interested in what freedoms you think have been lost .
Do I really need to make a list?
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The reality is that in the belief it was for the greater good the people of the UK surrender their rights of movement and some of their basic liberties. The result of these sacrifices is debatable as the concern is that now we have closed everything and restricted everything and stalled the economy the government and the scientists do not seem able to find a way to reopen, restart and normalise again. This is without mentioning the implications of "vaccine passports" etc if such things come into being.
I agree with vaccine passports.
That's your right to do so.
People have a right to be concerned about the implications of such measures also"
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
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"The same young people will be the ones moaning in 10 to 15 yrs time bout how Covid fucked us all and left us wearing masks for years.to come. Selfish pricks..
We are all bored of it and want to be free of it. Not just the young!!! These are the same young who when Press conferences displaying Scientific data are on are too busy playing Call of Duty.
You meen the young who have no idea wen they gona get a jab them young.i 49 nxt month but seems as they have halted invites for a month now no idea wen i getting mine so i imagine if your in ya 20s you will be thinking fuck this bollocks.i know i would be if i was that young
Isnt that a good enough reason to remain cautious,maintain social distancing ?i have had my jab yet im not one of the hoards meeting up.
All ages have been affected ffs not just the young."
And ive stuck to the rules throughout aswell but seemsas they have halted invites looks like i still gona be waiting for a jab for a while yet luckily you have already had at least one.just think a lot of peeps have forgotten what being an 18-25 yr old is like.pretty sure most on here complaining would be doing exactally the same if they were 21 again |
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
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"The same young people will be the ones moaning in 10 to 15 yrs time bout how Covid fucked us all and left us wearing masks for years.to come. Selfish pricks..
We are all bored of it and want to be free of it. Not just the young!!! These are the same young who when Press conferences displaying Scientific data are on are too busy playing Call of Duty.
You meen the young who have no idea wen they gona get a jab them young.i 49 nxt month but seems as they have halted invites for a month now no idea wen i getting mine so i imagine if your in ya 20s you will be thinking fuck this bollocks.i know i would be if i was that young
and yet the govt haven’t announced a change to the target of offering everyone by the summer, or changes to the timeline for opening up yet - so it seems like they do have an idea of when they will get it and an idea of when they will have more freedoms - only it highly probable their own behaviour will make the situation worse and push those dates back - oh the irony "
Offering it and getting it in peeps arms are two different things.im likley to be offerd it in may but seems as they got 20 odd million to give a 2ndjab to now im guessing it likley to be late june to early july until i actually get jabbed.think about it while invite are on pause all those appointmentswill be filled with peeps getting there 2nd shot.really cant see a load of youngsters binning another summer off while they wait for a jab.making more and more sense now why boris has changed thelaws on protests |
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"The same young people will be the ones moaning in 10 to 15 yrs time bout how Covid fucked us all and left us wearing masks for years.to come. Selfish pricks..
We are all bored of it and want to be free of it. Not just the young!!! These are the same young who when Press conferences displaying Scientific data are on are too busy playing Call of Duty.
You meen the young who have no idea wen they gona get a jab them young.i 49 nxt month but seems as they have halted invites for a month now no idea wen i getting mine so i imagine if your in ya 20s you will be thinking fuck this bollocks.i know i would be if i was that young
Isnt that a good enough reason to remain cautious,maintain social distancing ?i have had my jab yet im not one of the hoards meeting up.
All ages have been affected ffs not just the young.
And ive stuck to the rules throughout aswell but seemsas they have halted invites looks like i still gona be waiting for a jab for a while yet luckily you have already had at least one.just think a lot of peeps have forgotten what being an 18-25 yr old is like.pretty sure most on here complaining would be doing exactally the same if they were 21 again"
I havent forgotten what it was like to be 21.
I havent forgotten the values my parents installed in me either.
To be considerate of others.
To follow the rules set out by the laws the government set , whether i agree with them or not.
Yes i am thankful i have had my vaccine but that doesnt give me reason to meet in large groups , have a piss up in the local park or think the world owes me a favour! |
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By *D835Man
over a year ago
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"Our people fought and died for freedom just so our own government can take it away? Lies, misinformation and business interests have allowed the situation to get so bad. The lockdown was a half ass attempt to slow the virus. My whole family has had it, it's not that bad unless you are already old and sick.
Tell that to the families of the 125,000 who have died. Lockdown may have been half assessed but without any intervention we would have seen at least another 125,000 deaths "
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By *ajobMan
over a year ago
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"The same young people will be the ones moaning in 10 to 15 yrs time bout how Covid fucked us all and left us wearing masks for years.to come. Selfish pricks..
We are all bored of it and want to be free of it. Not just the young!!! These are the same young who when Press conferences displaying Scientific data are on are too busy playing Call of Duty.
You meen the young who have no idea wen they gona get a jab them young.i 49 nxt month but seems as they have halted invites for a month now no idea wen i getting mine so i imagine if your in ya 20s you will be thinking fuck this bollocks.i know i would be if i was that young
and yet the govt haven’t announced a change to the target of offering everyone by the summer, or changes to the timeline for opening up yet - so it seems like they do have an idea of when they will get it and an idea of when they will have more freedoms - only it highly probable their own behaviour will make the situation worse and push those dates back - oh the irony
Offering it and getting it in peeps arms are two different things.im likley to be offerd it in may but seems as they got 20 odd million to give a 2ndjab to now im guessing it likley to be late june to early july until i actually get jabbed.think about it while invite are on pause all those appointmentswill be filled with peeps getting there 2nd shot.really cant see a load of youngsters binning another summer off while they wait for a jab.making more and more sense now why boris has changed thelaws on protests"
Those who have had a 1st jab will gave been given a card with the date/time of that appointment and what vaccine was given and you will have your 2nd jab date on that card so you bring the card back with you for thst 2nd jab for them to fill out and its proof...so i dunno where there gonna stop giving folk there 1st jab as you will have heen given a time and date for your 2nd shot so that wont interfere with other appointments....folk 45-49 are able yo book for a vaccine appointment here from this week(N.I) dont see why you wont be able to book asap if not already |
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"You don't know nothing about my life. You just assume I want to go pubs and get laid. No. I want to go back to work. Then I'll go to the pub and get laid. "
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"The same young people will be the ones moaning in 10 to 15 yrs time bout how Covid fucked us all and left us wearing masks for years.to come. Selfish pricks..
We are all bored of it and want to be free of it. Not just the young!!! These are the same young who when Press conferences displaying Scientific data are on are too busy playing Call of Duty.
You meen the young who have no idea wen they gona get a jab them young.i 49 nxt month but seems as they have halted invites for a month now no idea wen i getting mine so i imagine if your in ya 20s you will be thinking fuck this bollocks.i know i would be if i was that young
and yet the govt haven’t announced a change to the target of offering everyone by the summer, or changes to the timeline for opening up yet - so it seems like they do have an idea of when they will get it and an idea of when they will have more freedoms - only it highly probable their own behaviour will make the situation worse and push those dates back - oh the irony
Offering it and getting it in peeps arms are two different things.im likley to be offerd it in may but seems as they got 20 odd million to give a 2ndjab to now im guessing it likley to be late june to early july until i actually get jabbed.think about it while invite are on pause all those appointmentswill be filled with peeps getting there 2nd shot.really cant see a load of youngsters binning another summer off while they wait for a jab.making more and more sense now why boris has changed thelaws on protests
Those who have had a 1st jab will gave been given a card with the date/time of that appointment and what vaccine was given and you will have your 2nd jab date on that card so you bring the card back with you for thst 2nd jab for them to fill out and its proof...so i dunno where there gonna stop giving folk there 1st jab as you will have heen given a time and date for your 2nd shot so that wont interfere with other appointments....folk 45-49 are able yo book for a vaccine appointment here from this week(N.I) dont see why you wont be able to book asap if not already"
I have had my first jab and was given a card as record but no second appointment date , i know that my area are starting to give the second jab sooner than the 12 week time line so may explain why no date as yet . |
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"Shocked that young people after being locked down for so long enjoyed a bit of freedom, next they'll be shock at bear shitting in woods."
just as well we don’t have bears in the uk then
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"Shocked that young people after being locked down for so long enjoyed a bit of freedom, next they'll be shock at bear shitting in woods."
Ahhh the poor young people , news report showed one guy hanging off a tree branch ! others having a mass shaking of cans of whatever liquid, no social distancing whatsoever ....if that had been a group of over 50's they would be ridiculed ! |
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"Shocked that young people after being locked down for so long enjoyed a bit of freedom, next they'll be shock at bear shitting in woods.
Ahhh the poor young people , news report showed one guy hanging off a tree branch ! others having a mass shaking of cans of whatever liquid, no social distancing whatsoever ....if that had been a group of over 50's they would be ridiculed ! "
It's what young people do, make silly decisions they sometimes regret. Please let's not pretend to be shocked by it. |
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"Shocked that young people after being locked down for so long enjoyed a bit of freedom, next they'll be shock at bear shitting in woods.just as well we don’t have bears in the uk then "
I wasn't country specific about the bear having a dump! |
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"Shocked that young people after being locked down for so long enjoyed a bit of freedom, next they'll be shock at bear shitting in woods.
Ahhh the poor young people , news report showed one guy hanging off a tree branch ! others having a mass shaking of cans of whatever liquid, no social distancing whatsoever ....if that had been a group of over 50's they would be ridiculed !
It's what young people do, make silly decisions they sometimes regret. Please let's not pretend to be shocked by it."
I didnt say i was shocked. I'm disgusted by their behaviour. Its inexcusable. I wont accept that it's what young people do , it's a total lack of disrespect and your dismissive comment isnt acceptable either .
Excusing bad behaviour isnt acceptable to me. |
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"Shocked that young people after being locked down for so long enjoyed a bit of freedom, next they'll be shock at bear shitting in woods.
Ahhh the poor young people , news report showed one guy hanging off a tree branch ! others having a mass shaking of cans of whatever liquid, no social distancing whatsoever ....if that had been a group of over 50's they would be ridiculed !
It's what young people do, make silly decisions they sometimes regret. Please let's not pretend to be shocked by it.
I didnt say i was shocked. I'm disgusted by their behaviour. Its inexcusable. I wont accept that it's what young people do , it's a total lack of disrespect and your dismissive comment isnt acceptable either .
Excusing bad behaviour isnt acceptable to me."
I was referring to the name of the thread, and it'll happen wether you accept it or not, I'm not shocked and it's still my comment to make, thanks very much. |
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"Shocked that young people after being locked down for so long enjoyed a bit of freedom, next they'll be shock at bear shitting in woods."
I can confirm they shit were ever they please. Woods my porch my driveway and the Deck. |
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"Shocked that young people after being locked down for so long enjoyed a bit of freedom, next they'll be shock at bear shitting in woods.
I can confirm they shit were ever they please. Woods my porch my driveway and the Deck. "
And your never shocked by it |
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"Shocked that young people after being locked down for so long enjoyed a bit of freedom, next they'll be shock at bear shitting in woods.
I can confirm they shit were ever they please. Woods my porch my driveway and the Deck.
And your never shocked by it "
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"Shocked that young people after being locked down for so long enjoyed a bit of freedom, next they'll be shock at bear shitting in woods.
I can confirm they shit were ever they please. Woods my porch my driveway and the Deck.
And your never shocked by it
Nope."
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"The same young people will be the ones moaning in 10 to 15 yrs time bout how Covid fucked us all and left us wearing masks for years.to come. Selfish pricks..
We are all bored of it and want to be free of it. Not just the young!!! These are the same young who when Press conferences displaying Scientific data are on are too busy playing Call of Duty. "
Nope! Oldies just as much! X |
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"freedom of speech baby! I can compare covid to car crashes because why not? The stats are fudged, the government is inept and many people are happily endorsing it. "
In that case I'm going to compare blue smarties to astro planetary radiation.
Cos that's the same concept as the similarity between covid and car crashes. |
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By *andy 1Couple
over a year ago
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"The same young people will be the ones moaning in 10 to 15 yrs time bout how Covid fucked us all and left us wearing masks for years.to come. Selfish pricks..
We are all bored of it and want to be free of it. Not just the young!!! These are the same young who when Press conferences displaying Scientific data are on are too busy playing Call of Duty.
You meen the young who have no idea wen they gona get a jab them young.i 49 nxt month but seems as they have halted invites for a month now no idea wen i getting mine so i imagine if your in ya 20s you will be thinking fuck this bollocks.i know i would be if i was that young
Isnt that a good enough reason to remain cautious,maintain social distancing ?i have had my jab yet im not one of the hoards meeting up.
All ages have been affected ffs not just the young."
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I’m sick of people blaming our government for COVID , isn’t COVID world wide ? No one knew how to deal with it , yes they made mistakes but WHO wouldn’t there was no book to read , and as for the poor youngsters who feel locked up , get a bloody life , how would you have coped during the wars ? You don’t see videos of people raving during the wars , what about people in care homes not having any visitors for months, or someone I knew who’s 5 year old daughter was in hospital dying of cancer and he couldn’t see her as he was looking after he’s other daughter, he followed the rules for the sake of everyone in this country, the more people break the rules the longer we will all suffer , it’s not rocket science, wait till they all start moaning about a tougher lockdown 4 , and it’s all there fault |
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" What's your point? Get a grip on what? Am I not PC enough for you? Dislike when someone speaks their mind?"
'Get a grip' is a handy buzz phrase which conveys an air of authority. Based on what authority, exactly, needs making clear to justify giving such an order.
Without such clarification, it just looks disdainful rather than constructive. There are times when total disdain is appropriate but in this instance situations and the opinions surrounding them are not always clear cut.
I have to admit, I admired your plucky response, regardless of the issue! |
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"Shocked that young people after being locked down for so long enjoyed a bit of freedom, next they'll be shock at bear shitting in woods.
Ahhh the poor young people , news report showed one guy hanging off a tree branch ! others having a mass shaking of cans of whatever liquid, no social distancing whatsoever ....if that had been a group of over 50's they would be ridiculed !
It's what young people do, make silly decisions they sometimes regret. Please let's not pretend to be shocked by it.
I didnt say i was shocked. I'm disgusted by their behaviour. Its inexcusable. I wont accept that it's what young people do , it's a total lack of disrespect and your dismissive comment isnt acceptable either .
Excusing bad behaviour isnt acceptable to me."
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"Our people fought and died for freedom just so our own government can take it away? Lies, misinformation and business interests have allowed the situation to get so bad. The lockdown was a half ass attempt to slow the virus. My whole family has had it, it's not that bad unless you are already old and sick. "
. Only the Old and sick what a stupid thing to say The reason the last lockdown was a half-hearted attempt was because people are not following the rules in lockdown how can you blame the government for that
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"I have seen few posts on social media where people are going mad with some of the new rules. No social distancing, no masks some sort of concert in Manchester. Really? Recipe for disaster. Yes we are all tired and fed up of this virus but it is still very active and killing. The lack of respect and solidarity is staggering "
Im from manchester and I dont give a flying fuck about it all. Open everything up, construct wards for infectious shit on hospital wings, yes its real, yes im in the high risk side, dont care. open up
work with people who have had it, come into close contact with people who have had it. been tested fuck all. rather risk it than live under the thumb of boris |
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At this stage I support peaceful civil disobedience.
Im tired of coppers and security stopping me and asking for basically for my papers. Im tired of stupid regulations. You cant hide forever. If you are going to take the jab take, shut up, get on with your lives. I dont care about the old getting sick, all im seeing is fear from the older generations about their mortality finally catching up to them. You had your time. We can all kick the buck some way. Id rather face it fighting that cowering in my golden cage
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"Our people fought and died for freedom just so our own government can take it away? Lies, misinformation and business interests have allowed the situation to get so bad. The lockdown was a half ass attempt to slow the virus. My whole family has had it, it's not that bad unless you are already old and sick. "
One day you will be old and sick. You might give a flipant retort that you want to die when you old and done. What's a selfish prick you are with a blatant disregard for people's lives, wheather they be old or their family who care for them. It is people like you who make this country Shit |
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"At this stage I support peaceful civil disobedience.
Im tired of coppers and security stopping me and asking for basically for my papers. Im tired of stupid regulations. You cant hide forever. If you are going to take the jab take, shut up, get on with your lives. I dont care about the old getting sick, all im seeing is fear from the older generations about their mortality finally catching up to them. You had your time. We can all kick the buck some way. Id rather face it fighting that cowering in my golden cage
but thats just me -- now flame me "
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"It's like an echo chamber in here. Just shows that people still die because the lockdown never was and never will be effective. I worked in China when this started and they did a proper lockdown and now they have very few cases and life is almost normal there. "
If you want to find out about loss of freedom, live in China and post on a few forums about the government being inept!
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"Our people fought and died for freedom just so our own government can take it away? Lies, misinformation and business interests have allowed the situation to get so bad. The lockdown was a half ass attempt to slow the virus. My whole family has had it, it's not that bad unless you are already old and sick. "
My 40 year old normally fit and healthy best friend would disagree with you, She cought and we very nearly lost her and she's still struggling nearly 4 months on.
I am in the extremely valuable shielding cartography and court it but I've had worse colds so it just goes to show nobody really knows their risk.
Let's all just hanging there a little bit longer so we can stay out of lockdown and kick this thing to the curb so we can all live much more normal lives.
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"Oh no there's a chance we could die. That's life, we don't live forever. Driving to work could get you killed. Oh I forgot who has a job these days?
When you drive you wear a seatbelt to minimise the risk ... you drive the right side of the road.. stop at lights and junctions all these things to minimise the risk. Masks and social distancing are no different.
My 28 year old friend died last week of covid no underlying health conditions your arrogance is astounding. "
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over a year ago
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"Oh no there's a chance we could die. That's life, we don't live forever. Driving to work could get you killed. Oh I forgot who has a job these days?
When you drive you wear a seatbelt to minimise the risk ... you drive the right side of the road.. stop at lights and junctions all these things to minimise the risk. Masks and social distancing are no different.
My 28 year old friend died last week of covid no underlying health conditions your arrogance is astounding. "
Really. 28 and no underlying health conditions. And it was Covid that was the main cause of death? |
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"Shocked that young people after being locked down for so long enjoyed a bit of freedom, next they'll be shock at bear shitting in woods.
Ahhh the poor young people , news report showed one guy hanging off a tree branch ! others having a mass shaking of cans of whatever liquid, no social distancing whatsoever ....if that had been a group of over 50's they would be ridiculed !
It's what young people do, make silly decisions they sometimes regret. Please let's not pretend to be shocked by it.
I didnt say i was shocked. I'm disgusted by their behaviour. Its inexcusable. I wont accept that it's what young people do , it's a total lack of disrespect and your dismissive comment isnt acceptable either .
Excusing bad behaviour isnt acceptable to me. you must of been popular in school "
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By *amish SMan
over a year ago
Eastleigh |
Amazing some think that they have freedom without responsibility - my youngest is also one of them. When some of these that complain that they have lost freedoms show some responsibility the UK will be a better place.
Soon some will think they can drive as it is their right and don't need to do a compulsory driving test as it is against their rights.
China is a country I am not a fan of, but maybe some of that justice system they use could be real useful here to focus some minds that rights and freedoms come with responsibility.
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"Amazing some think that they have freedom without responsibility - my youngest is also one of them. When some of these that complain that they have lost freedoms show some responsibility the UK will be a better place.
Soon some will think they can drive as it is their right and don't need to do a compulsory driving test as it is against their rights.
China is a country I am not a fan of, but maybe some of that justice system they use could be real useful here to focus some minds that rights and freedoms come with responsibility.
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I don't think threatening people with totalitarianism is a way to get them to believe in investing in democracy. |
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"Freedom is a distant memory.
Its not about Freedom its about being rid of this Virus. Our Grandparents lived through the bloody Blitz and rationing, strikes, 4 day weeks.. we are moaning about wearing a bloody mask.."
We will never be rid of the virus. Its here to stay. |
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"Freedom is a distant memory.
Its not about Freedom its about being rid of this Virus. Our Grandparents lived through the bloody Blitz and rationing, strikes, 4 day weeks.. we are moaning about wearing a bloody mask..We will never be rid of the virus. Its here to stay. "
Perhaps. But we can get on top of it, rather than going back to the bad old days before vaccination. |
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Some people just do not care what happens to them and so they have no interest in others and their well being, just do what you feel is right, no one is going to suddenly turn a person into something they are not.
Twats who drive at 100mph don't give a damn about others, people who drink and drive don't give a damn about others and people who go to raves or demonstrations or whatever the groups label themselves during covid dont give a damn.
just do what you feel you need to do to keep yourselves safe from these immortals ! |
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"Amazing some think that they have freedom without responsibility - my youngest is also one of them. When some of these that complain that they have lost freedoms show some responsibility the UK will be a better place.
Soon some will think they can drive as it is their right and don't need to do a compulsory driving test as it is against their rights.
China is a country I am not a fan of, but maybe some of that justice system they use could be real useful here to focus some minds that rights and freedoms come with responsibility.
I don't think threatening people with totalitarianism is a way to get them to believe in investing in democracy."
if the carrot dont work its time for the stick..... spare the rod spoil the child.... oh dear! lol |
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By * F 2018Couple
over a year ago
shropshire |
"I have seen few posts on social media where people are going mad with some of the new rules. No social distancing, no masks some sort of concert in Manchester. Really? Recipe for disaster. Yes we are all tired and fed up of this virus but it is still very active and killing. The lack of respect and solidarity is staggering "
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"the thing in Manchester was just a crowd of people gathering in Castlefield bowl.. its like the old pop up raves from 1989 are back.. People are struggling i think and at end of tethers particularly the young "
Yes is awful for the young! Really feel for them! Hopefully we can all move forward now us oldies and vulnerable have had their first and many their second jab! X |
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