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over a year ago
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as just heard on sky new 44% of people in icu in france are under 65 years old is the new mutations now affecting younger people bearing in mind that unlike the uk france over 70s vaccination program is very hit n miss..
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"as just heard on sky new 44% of people in icu in france are under 65 years old is the new mutations now affecting younger people bearing in mind that unlike the uk france over 70s vaccination program is very hit n miss..
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I don’t know but I’m guessing younger people are flouting the rules older people are staying home and wearing masks. Also add into that the vaccination id hazard a guess it’s more human behaviour that virus mutation |
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My sister lives in Israel and they've seen a rise in infections in young people, the Kent variant is hitting them. This is in those too young to have been vaccinated
In Notts, and I assume in other places too, there's a rise in infections in the 19 - 45 age group. It's not a massive rise, but a rise nonetheless x |
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It's been a feature of our second wave.
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In the last few weeks, for example, adults aged 18-64 have accounted for 40% of daily Covid admissions to hospitals, data from Public Health England shows. This compares to 40% for 65-84 year olds and 20% for the over-85s.
And there has been a steep rise in the numbers of people in their mid-40s to mid-60s becoming seriously ill with Covid and being admitted to intensive care units.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55586994 |
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"My sister lives in Israel and they've seen a rise in infections in young people, the Kent variant is hitting them. This is in those too young to have been vaccinated
In Notts, and I assume in other places too, there's a rise in infections in the 19 - 45 age group. It's not a massive rise, but a rise nonetheless x"
2 factors I think are at play here. One is France has done pretty well with vaccinations. Over 50s can get a vaccine next week so are only a couple of weeks behind the UK. The other things is younger people with covid spend more time in ICU as they less likely to die quickly from covid. |
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"My sister lives in Israel and they've seen a rise in infections in young people, the Kent variant is hitting them. This is in those too young to have been vaccinated
In Notts, and I assume in other places too, there's a rise in infections in the 19 - 45 age group. It's not a massive rise, but a rise nonetheless x
2 factors I think are at play here. One is France has done pretty well with vaccinations. Over 50s can get a vaccine next week so are only a couple of weeks behind the UK. The other things is younger people with covid spend more time in ICU as they less likely to die quickly from covid."
France has done incredibly badly on vaccinations which is part of the problem. It's looking like they're going back into lockdown. The rest of Europe is the same. |
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"My sister lives in Israel and they've seen a rise in infections in young people, the Kent variant is hitting them. This is in those too young to have been vaccinated
In Notts, and I assume in other places too, there's a rise in infections in the 19 - 45 age group. It's not a massive rise, but a rise nonetheless x
2 factors I think are at play here. One is France has done pretty well with vaccinations. Over 50s can get a vaccine next week so are only a couple of weeks behind the UK. The other things is younger people with covid spend more time in ICU as they less likely to die quickly from covid.
France has done incredibly badly on vaccinations which is part of the problem. It's looking like they're going back into lockdown. The rest of Europe is the same. "
Take up not as high as UK but they have vaccines available to people who want them. I think it is more the lack of,strength and length of recent lockdown and measures. Rather than the vaccine roll out that has bit them on the arse. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"My sister lives in Israel and they've seen a rise in infections in young people, the Kent variant is hitting them. This is in those too young to have been vaccinated
In Notts, and I assume in other places too, there's a rise in infections in the 19 - 45 age group. It's not a massive rise, but a rise nonetheless x
2 factors I think are at play here. One is France has done pretty well with vaccinations. Over 50s can get a vaccine next week so are only a couple of weeks behind the UK. The other things is younger people with covid spend more time in ICU as they less likely to die quickly from covid.
France has done incredibly badly on vaccinations which is part of the problem. It's looking like they're going back into lockdown. The rest of Europe is the same.
Take up not as high as UK but they have vaccines available to people who want them. I think it is more the lack of,strength and length of recent lockdown and measures. Rather than the vaccine roll out that has bit them on the arse."
On the news tonight doctors in France are saying they have ran out of vaccines |
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Wrong again. It's effect
wow shoot me  "
No. Shoot him. he's wrong!
Think about it, Rick. An effect affects, so does a virus!
All the OP got wrong was the number of Fs, which she then corrected. No further correction needed.
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Wrong again. It's effect
wow shoot me
No. Shoot him. he's wrong!
Think about it, Rick. An effect affects, so does a virus!
All the OP got wrong was the number of Fs, which she then corrected. No further correction needed.
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I've not seen evidence that indicates this but it may exist or the problem be real.
Younger people have likely seen less risk and behaved inappropriately, whilst others haven't as much. The virus affects all but has had greater levels of severe illness and death for more elderly and those at other risk. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Virus mutating to affect younger people ?
Nice work China, well done
You have seen one of our social problems and taken action to mitigate its effects
When travel restrictions are removed could you stock Covid as a chocolate box in airport gift shops ? One chocolate for each variant
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I read the same is happening in Brazil, its a real shitstorm over there as deaths are hitting almost 4000 a day. Local govourners are impossing restrictions against the presidents orders of do nothing to stop the collapse of local health provision. There's also an Amazon variant that may be a factor.
Ultimately its a very fast moving global situation.
One thing is certain though like France the numbers of young people beeen hut hard by covid is definitely on the increase.
Ifs worth remembering the French (and most other places don't test to the volume we do. So if there reported daily infections are say 30,000 it could be many times worse than when we reported the same level of daily infections.
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I agree seems a pattern that the vast majority of people who are ignoring the rules the virus has mutated as does the flu virus and now effecting them
The south east is hit hard when the students flout the rules aka freshers fairs and protests
I am no DR but I understand viral load |
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"It's been a feature of our second wave.
Quote (from January 2021)
In the last few weeks, for example, adults aged 18-64 have accounted for 40% of daily Covid admissions to hospitals, data from Public Health England shows. This compares to 40% for 65-84 year olds and 20% for the over-85s.
And there has been a steep rise in the numbers of people in their mid-40s to mid-60s becoming seriously ill with Covid and being admitted to intensive care units.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55586994"
Yes. I'm not clear (and I haven't looked for awhile plus way out of my depth) whether it's due to the disease itself or whether it's behaviour driven (with much older people much more likely to be risk averse). |
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I know even less about other countries. But in the UK over 50s have been mostly vaccinated. Under 50s largely have not.
Maybe that explains it? The Age profile of folks working in shops, front line services, Blue light services. Broader testing facilities. Not entirely surprised that the age of those being infected might be getting younger. I say might as not sure I've seen any stats on gov website on it. Perhaps it's being picked up in testing now as they are bing tested and we're not previously.? Or perhaps it genuinely is biological. Perhaps some behavioural aspects too.
In the example quoted above.
40% of infections in under 65s
6o% of infections in over 65s. The bulk is still over 65s which I'd put in the older category.
Either way. We are in a better place now than 3 months ago.
Lots like to make up stuff to support a narrative. I give you return to school for all as an example.
March 10th (wed) infections 5926
March 30th (wed) infections 4040.
Now I know it takes time for infections to work through to the reports but with the info we have so far... It looks better. |
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By *gent CoulsonMan
over a year ago
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Like any virus, it will mutate to stay alive, the flu is a prime example it evolves to combat medication and natural antibodies. We will never be rid of covid now as it will keep popping up in different forms, and actually has for many years, some strains will be more virulent than others |
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By *lansmanMan
over a year ago
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"I know even less about other countries. But in the UK over 50s have been mostly vaccinated. Under 50s largely have not.
Maybe that explains it? The Age profile of folks working in shops, front line services, Blue light services. Broader testing facilities. Not entirely surprised that the age of those being infected might be getting younger. I say might as not sure I've seen any stats on gov website on it. Perhaps it's being picked up in testing now as they are bing tested and we're not previously.? Or perhaps it genuinely is biological. Perhaps some behavioural aspects too.
In the example quoted above.
40% of infections in under 65s
6o% of infections in over 65s. The bulk is still over 65s which
March 10th (wed) infections 5926
March 30th (wed) infections 4040.
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These are just numbers though. How many tests are being performed? Its the percentage of positives thats the important figure. |
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"I know even less about other countries. But in the UK over 50s have been mostly vaccinated. Under 50s largely have not.
Maybe that explains it? The Age profile of folks working in shops, front line services, Blue light services. Broader testing facilities. Not entirely surprised that the age of those being infected might be getting younger. I say might as not sure I've seen any stats on gov website on it. Perhaps it's being picked up in testing now as they are bing tested and we're not previously.? Or perhaps it genuinely is biological. Perhaps some behavioural aspects too.
In the example quoted above.
40% of infections in under 65s
6o% of infections in over 65s. The bulk is still over 65s which
March 10th (wed) infections 5926
March 30th (wed) infections 4040.
These are just numbers though. How many tests are being performed? Its the percentage of positives thats the important figure. "
True..
March wed 10th 1.55m tests
March wed 31st 1.22m tests
Just numbers but I think that's all the evidence we have to go on. |
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By *lansmanMan
over a year ago
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"I know even less about other countries. But in the UK over 50s have been mostly vaccinated. Under 50s largely have not.
Maybe that explains it? The Age profile of folks working in shops, front line services, Blue light services. Broader testing facilities. Not entirely surprised that the age of those being infected might be getting younger. I say might as not sure I've seen any stats on gov website on it. Perhaps it's being picked up in testing now as they are bing tested and we're not previously.? Or perhaps it genuinely is biological. Perhaps some behavioural aspects too.
In the example quoted above.
40% of infections in under 65s
6o% of infections in over 65s. The bulk is still over 65s which
March 10th (wed) infections 5926
March 30th (wed) infections 4040.
These are just numbers though. How many tests are being performed? Its the percentage of positives thats the important figure.
True..
March wed 10th 1.55m tests
March wed 31st 1.22m tests
Just numbers but I think that's all the evidence we have to go on. "
Its one of those stats thats annoyed me from the beginning. Its basic stuff but never mentioned on the news channels etc.
Still looking good with those numbers though. |
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"I know even less about other countries. But in the UK over 50s have been mostly vaccinated. Under 50s largely have not.
Maybe that explains it? The Age profile of folks working in shops, front line services, Blue light services. Broader testing facilities. Not entirely surprised that the age of those being infected might be getting younger. I say might as not sure I've seen any stats on gov website on it. Perhaps it's being picked up in testing now as they are bing tested and we're not previously.? Or perhaps it genuinely is biological. Perhaps some behavioural aspects too.
In the example quoted above.
40% of infections in under 65s
6o% of infections in over 65s. The bulk is still over 65s which
March 10th (wed) infections 5926
March 30th (wed) infections 4040.
These are just numbers though. How many tests are being performed? Its the percentage of positives thats the important figure.
True..
March wed 10th 1.55m tests
March wed 31st 1.22m tests
Just numbers but I think that's all the evidence we have to go on.
Its one of those stats thats annoyed me from the beginning. Its basic stuff but never mentioned on the news channels etc.
Still looking good with those numbers though. "
I agree, I think there's been an element of laziness in what is presented to us... For example it would t take much effort at all it provide the report on the daily dashboard by age group and sex and that would inform all of us much better. And as you said... Percentage positive tests is a better indication.
Like the number of hospitalisations aren't significant until you understand the total beds available.... 20k out of 25k beds in total is a problem. 20k our of 160k beds is normal business (ish). |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"My sister lives in Israel and they've seen a rise in infections in young people, the Kent variant is hitting them. This is in those too young to have been vaccinated
In Notts, and I assume in other places too, there's a rise in infections in the 19 - 45 age group. It's not a massive rise, but a rise nonetheless x
2 factors I think are at play here. One is France has done pretty well with vaccinations. Over 50s can get a vaccine next week so are only a couple of weeks behind the UK. The other things is younger people with covid spend more time in ICU as they less likely to die quickly from covid."
Have you got a link to your because I can give multiple links to show Frances roll out has been abismal. Partly fueled by their presidents silly comments.
France has one of the highest antivax thinking in the world. The latest stats show 49% choose not to have it. There isn't an age breakdown with this information so can't say if it's a particular age group or not, but tradition would say it's a cultural thinking so not age related. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I know even less about other countries. But in the UK over 50s have been mostly vaccinated. Under 50s largely have not.
Maybe that explains it? The Age profile of folks working in shops, front line services, Blue light services. Broader testing facilities. Not entirely surprised that the age of those being infected might be getting younger. I say might as not sure I've seen any stats on gov website on it. Perhaps it's being picked up in testing now as they are bing tested and we're not previously.? Or perhaps it genuinely is biological. Perhaps some behavioural aspects too.
In the example quoted above.
40% of infections in under 65s
6o% of infections in over 65s. The bulk is still over 65s which
March 10th (wed) infections 5926
March 30th (wed) infections 4040.
These are just numbers though. How many tests are being performed? Its the percentage of positives thats the important figure.
True..
March wed 10th 1.55m tests
March wed 31st 1.22m tests
Just numbers but I think that's all the evidence we have to go on. "
It's just about numbers for the crunchers and stats, but raises too many other questions to be of any real value in information.
Sadly these other questions are overlooked or ignored. |
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