I have just read on live science that the WHO have finally concluded that it started in bats held in animal farms that supplied the markets in Wuhan.
What pressure can be put onto China to stop these dangerous uncivilized practices? |
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Carlson said his colleagues in China have been careful and precise in their work, publishing data according to international regulations that any scientist anywhere in the world can examine, and that strongly supports the conclusion that the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market wasn't the source of the virus. This is also from live science |
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By *evaquitCouple
over a year ago
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"I have just read on live science that the WHO have finally concluded that it started in bats held in animal farms that supplied the markets in Wuhan.
What pressure can be put onto China to stop these dangerous uncivilized practices?"
Bats to animals to humans. Just adding the source to your post for context.
https://www.livescience.com/who-says-china-wildlife-farms-may-be-source-covid-19.html
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By *ubal1Man
over a year ago
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None. Zoonotic diseases that are capable of transfer from animal to humans have been known about for decades, and are part of multiple research programmes.
The principal problem is the increasing proximity of bats, which are mammals too, and humans.
Crucially, the Chinese do not respond to pressure from outside sources; if the problem starts to adversely affect their society or economy they may enact measures themselves, but coercion won't work.
Zoonosis is a problem throughout Asia; SARS and MERS were red flags for the current Covid-19 problem, that is bound to recur for decades to come.
Vaccination of bats, the source vector for Covid is being actively investigated in Singapore.
This is a planetary problem that requires global solutions enacted by WHO and the UN. |
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"All animal agriculture should be banned, wether bats, cats or cows.
It has no place in the modern world and is a cause of many disease and pandemics. "
Bats being the most vital to ban as they carry so many strains of virus that can potentially be passed onto other animals they dont normally come into contact with . |
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"Carlson said his colleagues in China have been careful and precise in their work, publishing data according to international regulations that any scientist anywhere in the world can examine, and that strongly supports the conclusion that the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market wasn't the source of the virus. This is also from live science "
Read it ! It's the farm that provided animals to the market . So in SIMPLE terms for you :
The market itself would not necessarily have bats or the original source but it was probably passed onto animals that were SUPPLIED to the markets |
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"I have just read on live science that the WHO have finally concluded that it started in bats held in animal farms that supplied the markets in Wuhan.
What pressure can be put onto China to stop these dangerous uncivilized practices?
Bats to animals to humans. Just adding the source to your post for context.
https://www.livescience.com/who-says-china-wildlife-farms-may-be-source-covid-19.html
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Thank you yes that was the artical I read |
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"The link I've attached will answer your questions. From a reliable source "
You have missed the point of the OP I feel .
You are totally agreeing with what was said originally lol
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"The link I've attached will answer your questions. From a reliable source "
Oxford Dictionary source.
Supplied means : "to provide something that is wanted or needed, often in large quantities and over a long period of time"
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"I have just read on live science that the WHO have finally concluded that it started in bats held in animal farms that supplied the markets in Wuhan.
What pressure can be put onto China to stop these dangerous uncivilized practices?"
Not sure about that... But we all have the power to choose where we buy our "stuff" from. The power and intelligence to make better informed choices. We are all empowered to make the right choice not always the cheapest or easiest choice... Who knows. |
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I had lived in China some years ago although only for 6 months. Animal welfare looked horrendous and their farming of wild creatures horrendous.
They had many other virus starting from such "farms" and I do feel they should be shamed in some way to discourage their horrible treatment of wild animals |
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"I have just read on live science that the WHO have finally concluded that it started in bats held in animal farms that supplied the markets in Wuhan.
What pressure can be put onto China to stop these dangerous uncivilized practices?
Not sure about that... But we all have the power to choose where we buy our "stuff" from. The power and intelligence to make better informed choices. We are all empowered to make the right choice not always the cheapest or easiest choice... Who knows. "
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"I had lived in China some years ago although only for 6 months. Animal welfare looked horrendous and their farming of wild creatures horrendous.
They had many other virus starting from such "farms" and I do feel they should be shamed in some way to discourage their horrible treatment of wild animals "
The issue with lots of these threads that discuss what "others" should do... Is that we seem to be saying... "somebody else should do something" over which we have no control at all. Rather than saying... "I'm going to do something" over which we have complete control. If we are that disgusted by them. Then why do we insist on putting more money into their economy? Money talks louder than any other attribute. |
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"I had lived in China some years ago although only for 6 months. Animal welfare looked horrendous and their farming of wild creatures horrendous.
They had many other virus starting from such "farms" and I do feel they should be shamed in some way to discourage their horrible treatment of wild animals
The issue with lots of these threads that discuss what "others" should do... Is that we seem to be saying... "somebody else should do something" over which we have no control at all. Rather than saying... "I'm going to do something" over which we have complete control. If we are that disgusted by them. Then why do we insist on putting more money into their economy? Money talks louder than any other attribute. "
True
We need to stop buying their cheap crap . It's not sustainable in the long term anyway |
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"My daughter is given Covid19 home testing kits made in China. Are you suggesting she boycotts them ?"
The Innova ones are a USA company and looking to move their production back to the states from China so meanwhile I reckon we are forced to use them . |
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All these programmes and game shows portraying wild eating kind of contradict the bat theory, yeh over breeding and farming animals isn't healthy but if it were as serious to Chinese people's health surely they would stop on there own accord or are they that desperate for regular food they resort to such measures?
Back in the 70's food hygiene was way worse and food habits the same why didn't the virus start then? |
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"My daughter is given Covid19 home testing kits made in China. Are you suggesting she boycotts them ?"
Hey it's a discussion.does she have a choice to make? There's lots to think about there...
A huge part of the response to the "China virus" (patent pending D Trump) has been with 'stuff' from China.
Im simply advocating that we get what we deserve. If we always make the easiest cheapest and uninformed choice.. We really can't complain at the consequences.
We empowered the beast because we wanted cheaper, faster "stuff". We and our parents all played a part in the destruction of our own "making stuff" ability because we always seek out the cheapest rather than supporting our own manufacturing base (and one can argue, why wouldn't you?). Well we can all hopefully see why not early enough now. We woke the beast. We fed the beast. |
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"My daughter is given Covid19 home testing kits made in China. Are you suggesting she boycotts them ?
Hey it's a discussion.does she have a choice to make? There's lots to think about there...
A huge part of the response to the "China virus" (patent pending D Trump) has been with 'stuff' from China.
Im simply advocating that we get what we deserve. If we always make the easiest cheapest and uninformed choice.. We really can't complain at the consequences.
We empowered the beast because we wanted cheaper, faster "stuff". We and our parents all played a part in the destruction of our own "making stuff" ability because we always seek out the cheapest rather than supporting our own manufacturing base (and one can argue, why wouldn't you?). Well we can all hopefully see why not early enough now. We woke the beast. We fed the beast. "
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"All these programmes and game shows portraying wild eating kind of contradict the bat theory, yeh over breeding and farming animals isn't healthy but if it were as serious to Chinese people's health surely they would stop on there own accord or are they that desperate for regular food they resort to such measures?
Back in the 70's food hygiene was way worse and food habits the same why didn't the virus start then?"
That's a very interesting thought. Which we will never be able to answer... But are (let's use the clumsy generalisation) bat eaters any more likely to be unhealthy than say... The chlorine cleaned, antibiotic and growth hormone injected, factory farmed protein animals that we eat? I don't know much about food chains but, people eat some pretty weird shit around the world and I don't think we will ever change that... Even if we should try. But I guess eating it hygienically isn't too much to ask.. |
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"All these programmes and game shows portraying wild eating kind of contradict the bat theory, yeh over breeding and farming animals isn't healthy but if it were as serious to Chinese people's health surely they would stop on there own accord or are they that desperate for regular food they resort to such measures?
Back in the 70's food hygiene was way worse and food habits the same why didn't the virus start then?"
Back in the day the chinessseee were more a farming community but over the last few decades they are more wealthy and some things which were traditionally low key and considered "delicacies " are now more wide spread.
We are seeing g it in various wildlife from Tigers to Rhino horns arc. The bat eating and farming of wild bats has also grown proportionally and have seen several viruses emerge over the past 20 years as a consequence |
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"All these programmes and game shows portraying wild eating kind of contradict the bat theory, yeh over breeding and farming animals isn't healthy but if it were as serious to Chinese people's health surely they would stop on there own accord or are they that desperate for regular food they resort to such measures?
Back in the 70's food hygiene was way worse and food habits the same why didn't the virus start then?
That's a very interesting thought. Which we will never be able to answer... But are (let's use the clumsy generalisation) bat eaters any more likely to be unhealthy than say... The chlorine cleaned, antibiotic and growth hormone injected, factory farmed protein animals that we eat? I don't know much about food chains but, people eat some pretty weird shit around the world and I don't think we will ever change that... Even if we should try. But I guess eating it hygienically isn't too much to ask.. "
It's the eating that promotes the problem though. The way they are farmed and intermingled with other creatures that bats would not otherwise come into contact with . |
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Humans everywhere are a similar level of problem, through our incessant demand for new things, pushing ourselves to destroy much of what is natural for our perceived benefit. Growth at any cost is exploitation when we ignore the damage to the world and other life on it. As we become immersed by natural ecosystems that we have disrupted, we also face the consequences, which includes the transfer of pools of pathogens between species. Using other animals as our commodity, without respect is a reflection of this and occurs around the world. Don't point fingers, when you are part of the problem but work collaboratively, to eliminate your damage |
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"All these programmes and game shows portraying wild eating kind of contradict the bat theory, yeh over breeding and farming animals isn't healthy but if it were as serious to Chinese people's health surely they would stop on there own accord or are they that desperate for regular food they resort to such measures?
Back in the 70's food hygiene was way worse and food habits the same why didn't the virus start then?
That's a very interesting thought. Which we will never be able to answer... But are (let's use the clumsy generalisation) bat eaters any more likely to be unhealthy than say... The chlorine cleaned, antibiotic and growth hormone injected, factory farmed protein animals that we eat? I don't know much about food chains but, people eat some pretty weird shit around the world and I don't think we will ever change that... Even if we should try. But I guess eating it hygienically isn't too much to ask..
It's the eating that promotes the problem though. The way they are farmed and intermingled with other creatures that bats would not otherwise come into contact with ."
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"All animal agriculture should be banned, wether bats, cats or cows.
It has no place in the modern world and is a cause of many disease and pandemics. "
I love animals, they very much have a place in the modern world, specifically on my plate.. Roasted, fried, stewed, baked or boiled. mmmm mmmmm delicious nutritious |
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"All animal agriculture should be banned, wether bats, cats or cows.
It has no place in the modern world and is a cause of many disease and pandemics.
I love animals, they very much have a place in the modern world, specifically on my plate.. Roasted, fried, stewed, baked or boiled. mmmm mmmmm delicious nutritious
Strange guy
#anidiotamongstus"
About 98% of the world population eat meat, you are in the minority yet I am the strange one  I don’t have a problem with what you do or do not eat, kindly extend the same courtesy to the 98% |
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"About 10-14 % of the world's population don't eat meat. "
I think you will find that figure is a bit disingenuous, a significant chunk of that 10-14% are not on a meat free diet through choice but due to living in extreme poverty. |
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"I have just read on live science that the WHO have finally concluded that it started in bats held in animal farms that supplied the markets in Wuhan.
What pressure can be put onto China to stop these dangerous uncivilized practices?"
What's uncivilised about eating bats against compare to, say, quail or whatever we hunt and eat in the West? |
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"Because they are not farmed animals and carry 100s of viruses that we dont usually meet...
#thickashit"
So are you say that when we go hunting, we do it with farmed animals/birds and not the wild variety?
I'm just curious to know how ones diet make one civilised. |
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"Because they are not farmed animals and carry 100s of viruses that we dont usually meet...
#thickashit
So are you say that when we go hunting, we do it with farmed animals/birds and not the wild variety?
I'm just curious to know how ones diet make one civilised.
I dont personally go hunting or know anyone that does, but as part of the forum we are talking viruses. Bats are unusual creatures that carry lots of varied viruses.......
#usecommonsense"
The original post was about putting pressure on China to stop the "uncivilised" practice of eating bats. Hence my question about how the choice of meat can be class as uncivilised.
I know that you are smart enough to understand. |
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"I would say it's very much an uncivilised civilised practice.
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Yes. That's passing judgement and that's the easy part. The hard part is to say why it is uncivilised. Do you think you can manage that?
We teach children that the search for knowledge begins with the question why. |
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"Humans everywhere are a similar level of problem, through our incessant demand for new things, pushing ourselves to destroy much of what is natural for our perceived benefit. Growth at any cost is exploitation when we ignore the damage to the world and other life on it. As we become immersed by natural ecosystems that we have disrupted, we also face the consequences, which includes the transfer of pools of pathogens between species. Using other animals as our commodity, without respect is a reflection of this and occurs around the world. Don't point fingers, when you are part of the problem but work collaboratively, to eliminate your damage "
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"I would say it's very much an uncivilised civilised practice.
Yes. That's passing judgement and that's the easy part. The hard part is to say why it is uncivilised. Do you think you can manage that?
We teach children that the search for knowledge begins with the question why."
It's the speed of viruses from the bats that's the main concern |
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"I would say it's very much an uncivilised civilised practice.
Yes. That's passing judgement and that's the easy part. The hard part is to say why it is uncivilised. Do you think you can manage that?
We teach children that the search for knowledge begins with the question why."
Surely saying an entire country is unccilivilsed is extremely judgemental? |
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"I would say it's very much an uncivilised civilised practice.
Yes. That's passing judgement and that's the easy part. The hard part is to say why it is uncivilised. Do you think you can manage that?
We teach children that the search for knowledge begins with the question why.
Surely saying an entire country is unccilivilsed is extremely judgemental?"
For a country to allow such practices isnt a great indicator.
BTW I reckon it's good to judge ! |
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"I would say it's very much an uncivilised civilised practice.
Yes. That's passing judgement and that's the easy part. The hard part is to say why it is uncivilised. Do you think you can manage that?
We teach children that the search for knowledge begins with the question why.
Surely saying an entire country is unccilivilsed is extremely judgemental?
For a country to allow such practices isnt a great indicator.
BTW I reckon it's good to judge !"
Maybe they see some of the things we do as uncivilized?
Ie getting that rat arsed on a night out you have to be took home. |
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"Who are we to say what another country chooses to eat is uncivilised, just because we don’t eat it, doesn’t mean it is uncivilised to do so. "
I'd eat you.
And if I die.. I die happy.
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"I would say it's very much an uncivilised civilised practice.
Yes. That's passing judgement and that's the easy part. The hard part is to say why it is uncivilised. Do you think you can manage that?
We teach children that the search for knowledge begins with the question why.
Surely saying an entire country is unccilivilsed is extremely judgemental?
For a country to allow such practices isnt a great indicator.
BTW I reckon it's good to judge !
Maybe they see some of the things we do as uncivilized?
Ie getting that rat arsed on a night out you have to be took home."
Lionel is right. Don't judge a civilization by what it eats..
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Well as we encroach more and more and more in to what's left of our natural world the chances of coming in to contact with some nasty stuff increases ? and chopping down the rain forests at the rate we are is just asking for trouble and john oliver did a great piece in his show but the likely hood of another "Pandemic" and there's one virus carried by animals that if it crosses over to humans ( and it could) the death rate is about 74% ??  |
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" Well as we encroach more and more and more in to what's left of our natural world the chances of coming in to contact with some nasty stuff increases ? and chopping down the rain forests at the rate we are is just asking for trouble and john oliver did a great piece in his show but the likely hood of another "Pandemic" and there's one virus carried by animals that if it crosses over to humans ( and it could) the death rate is about 74% ?? "
I totally agree with everything you say. But I live in this country and we got rich by exploiting our natural resources. I feel guilty telling other people not to do the same in order to get rich like us. |
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"I would say it's very much an uncivilised civilised practice.
Yes. That's passing judgement and that's the easy part. The hard part is to say why it is uncivilised. Do you think you can manage that?
We teach children that the search for knowledge begins with the question why.
Surely saying an entire country is unccilivilsed is extremely judgemental?
For a country to allow such practices isnt a great indicator.
BTW I reckon it's good to judge !
Maybe they see some of the things we do as uncivilized?
Ie getting that rat arsed on a night out you have to be took home.
Lionel is right. Don't judge a civilization by what it eats..
They eat Scouse in Liverpool and God only knows what they put in that... "
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"I would say it's very much an uncivilised civilised practice.
Yes. That's passing judgement and that's the easy part. The hard part is to say why it is uncivilised. Do you think you can manage that?
We teach children that the search for knowledge begins with the question why.
Surely saying an entire country is unccilivilsed is extremely judgemental?"
So the practice is uncivilised because it's uncivilised. Sounds lovely me circular reasoning to me. Come on, man, you are not ten.
I don't and won't eat bats, but we dig up filter feeders from the sea bed and make delicacies out of them. |
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"I would say it's very much an uncivilised civilised practice.
Yes. That's passing judgement and that's the easy part. The hard part is to say why it is uncivilised. Do you think you can manage that?
We teach children that the search for knowledge begins with the question why.
Surely saying an entire country is unccilivilsed is extremely judgemental?
So the practice is uncivilised because it's uncivilised. Sounds lovely me circular reasoning to me. Come on, man, you are not ten.
I don't and won't eat bats, but we dig up filter feeders from the sea bed and make delicacies out of them."
So I said it was a quite a judgemental call.
We have a completely different culture to the chinese so there are bound to be things we find strange and vice versa.
Anyway wasnt the issue how they were stored? |
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"I would say it's very much an uncivilised civilised practice.
Yes. That's passing judgement and that's the easy part. The hard part is to say why it is uncivilised. Do you think you can manage that?
We teach children that the search for knowledge begins with the question why.
Surely saying an entire country is unccilivilsed is extremely judgemental?
So the practice is uncivilised because it's uncivilised. Sounds lovely me circular reasoning to me. Come on, man, you are not ten.
I don't and won't eat bats, but we dig up filter feeders from the sea bed and make delicacies out of them.
So I said it was a quite a judgemental call.
We have a completely different culture to the chinese so there are bound to be things we find strange and vice versa.
Anyway wasnt the issue how they were stored?"
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" Well as we encroach more and more and more in to what's left of our natural world the chances of coming in to contact with some nasty stuff increases ? and chopping down the rain forests at the rate we are is just asking for trouble and john oliver did a great piece in his show but the likely hood of another "Pandemic" and there's one virus carried by animals that if it crosses over to humans ( and it could) the death rate is about 74% ??
I totally agree with everything you say. But I live in this country and we got rich by exploiting our natural resources. I feel guilty telling other people not to do the same in order to get rich like us."
Which of those previously created Pandemics though ? |
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"I would say it's very much an uncivilised civilised practice.
Yes. That's passing judgement and that's the easy part. The hard part is to say why it is uncivilised. Do you think you can manage that?
We teach children that the search for knowledge begins with the question why.
Surely saying an entire country is unccilivilsed is extremely judgemental?
So the practice is uncivilised because it's uncivilised. Sounds lovely me circular reasoning to me. Come on, man, you are not ten.
I don't and won't eat bats, but we dig up filter feeders from the sea bed and make delicacies out of them.
So I said it was a quite a judgemental call.
We have a completely different culture to the chinese so there are bound to be things we find strange and vice versa.
Anyway wasnt the issue how they were stored?"
Wild bats though naturally carry viruses though and I suppose yes if you never mixed them with other species you could I suppose carry on with your bat eating ways ? |
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Read it ! It's the farm that provided animals to the market . So in SIMPLE terms for you :
The market itself would not necessarily have bats or the original source but it was probably passed onto animals that were SUPPLIED to the markets "
the information whilst being simple I suggest is also very misleading and potentially incorrect though !it is not JUST bats .. the same as we have many times mesed up by decimating a species of animal because we ' thought' they carried some form of disease.. wise up |
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"I would say it's very much an uncivilised civilised practice.
Yes. That's passing judgement and that's the easy part. The hard part is to say why it is uncivilised. Do you think you can manage that?
We teach children that the search for knowledge begins with the question why.
Surely saying an entire country is unccilivilsed is extremely judgemental?
So the practice is uncivilised because it's uncivilised. Sounds lovely me circular reasoning to me. Come on, man, you are not ten.
I don't and won't eat bats, but we dig up filter feeders from the sea bed and make delicacies out of them."
I think a little common sense is required lol
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"I would say it's very much an uncivilised civilised practice.
Yes. That's passing judgement and that's the easy part. The hard part is to say why it is uncivilised. Do you think you can manage that?
We teach children that the search for knowledge begins with the question why.
Surely saying an entire country is unccilivilsed is extremely judgemental?
So the practice is uncivilised because it's uncivilised. Sounds lovely me circular reasoning to me. Come on, man, you are not ten.
I don't and won't eat bats, but we dig up filter feeders from the sea bed and make delicacies out of them."
What filter feeders are capable of spreading such nasty viruses ?
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I totally agree with everything you say. But I live in this country and we got rich by exploiting our natural resources. I feel guilty telling other people not to do the same in order to get rich like us.
Which of those previously created Pandemics though ?"
Smallpox, Mayflower, blankets for the native.
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Yes. That's passing judgement and that's the easy part. The hard part is to say why it is uncivilised. Do you think you can manage that?
We teach children that the search for knowledge begins with the question why.
Surely saying an entire country is unccilivilsed is extremely judgemental?
So the practice is uncivilised because it's uncivilised. Sounds lovely me circular reasoning to me. Come on, man, you are not ten.
I don't and won't eat bats, but we dig up filter feeders from the sea bed and make delicacies out of them.
I think a little common sense is required lol
#thickas......"
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"I would say it's very much an uncivilised civilised practice.
Yes. That's passing judgement and that's the easy part. The hard part is to say why it is uncivilised. Do you think you can manage that?
We teach children that the search for knowledge begins with the question why.
Surely saying an entire country is unccilivilsed is extremely judgemental?
So the practice is uncivilised because it's uncivilised. Sounds lovely me circular reasoning to me. Come on, man, you are not ten.
I don't and won't eat bats, but we dig up filter feeders from the sea bed and make delicacies out of them.
I think a little common sense is required lol
#thickas......
Ah. Appeals to common sense. The eternal refuge of those who lack logic and facts. "
Its generally what adults learn to use from experience and knowing the consequences of doing daft things.
Also the response generally used for child like questions |
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"I have spent time in China and the cruelty in markets is sickening beyond belief..can't stand them to be blunt... Halal and Kosher is disgusting as well not much to choose between them.."
Exactly I spent a month in Beijing and 6months in Hong Kong the standards of animal welfare is beyond what I had ever experienced and I am fairly well traveled being in the army for 25 years in all sorts of environments. |
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" Well as we encroach more and more and more in to what's left of our natural world the chances of coming in to contact with some nasty stuff increases ? and chopping down the rain forests at the rate we are is just asking for trouble and john oliver did a great piece in his show but the likely hood of another "Pandemic" and there's one virus carried by animals that if it crosses over to humans ( and it could) the death rate is about 74% ??
I totally agree with everything you say. But I live in this country and we got rich by exploiting our natural resources. I feel guilty telling other people not to do the same in order to get rich like us.
Which of those previously created Pandemics though ?
Smallpox, Mayflower, blankets for the native.
You do know that Europe has had its fair shape of epidemics, don't you?"
I think you digress you may have another agenda/ anti European but we are talking about foods and bat eating ways causing pandemics not natural human diseases from hundreds of years ago !! |
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By *nly DickCouple (MM)
over a year ago
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" Well as we encroach more and more and more in to what's left of our natural world the chances of coming in to contact with some nasty stuff increases ? and chopping down the rain forests at the rate we are is just asking for trouble and john oliver did a great piece in his show but the likely hood of another "Pandemic" and there's one virus carried by animals that if it crosses over to humans ( and it could) the death rate is about 74% ??
I totally agree with everything you say. But I live in this country and we got rich by exploiting our natural resources. I feel guilty telling other people not to do the same in order to get rich like us.
Which of those previously created Pandemics though ?
Smallpox, Mayflower, blankets for the native.
You do know that Europe has had its fair shape of epidemics, don't you?"
Mayflower ? Blankets ? WTF
Can I have what you are drinking lol |
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By *nly DickCouple (MM)
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I think what happened many moons ago we cannot really change and cannot exactly blame anyone alive now ?
However this pandemic is now and we can certainly learn from this and change certain I'll conceived practices ? |
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" Well as we encroach more and more and more in to what's left of our natural world the chances of coming in to contact with some nasty stuff increases ? and chopping down the rain forests at the rate we are is just asking for trouble and john oliver did a great piece in his show but the likely hood of another "Pandemic" and there's one virus carried by animals that if it crosses over to humans ( and it could) the death rate is about 74% ??
I totally agree with everything you say. But I live in this country and we got rich by exploiting our natural resources. I feel guilty telling other people not to do the same in order to get rich like us.
Which of those previously created Pandemics though ?
Smallpox, Mayflower, blankets for the native.
You do know that Europe has had its fair shape of epidemics, don't you?
I think you digress you may have another agenda/ anti European but we are talking about foods and bat eating ways causing pandemics not natural human diseases from hundreds of years ago !!"
I feel someone has a chip. I assumed Jamaica was more relaxed
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" Well as we encroach more and more and more in to what's left of our natural world the chances of coming in to contact with some nasty stuff increases ? and chopping down the rain forests at the rate we are is just asking for trouble and john oliver did a great piece in his show but the likely hood of another "Pandemic" and there's one virus carried by animals that if it crosses over to humans ( and it could) the death rate is about 74% ??
I totally agree with everything you say. But I live in this country and we got rich by exploiting our natural resources. I feel guilty telling other people not to do the same in order to get rich like us.
Which of those previously created Pandemics though ?
Smallpox, Mayflower, blankets for the native.
You do know that Europe has had its fair shape of epidemics, don't you?
Mayflower ? Blankets ? WTF
Can I have what you are drinking lol"
Or smokin
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"I would say it's very much an uncivilised civilised practice.
Yes. That's passing judgement and that's the easy part. The hard part is to say why it is uncivilised. Do you think you can manage that?
We teach children that the search for knowledge begins with the question why.
Surely saying an entire country is unccilivilsed is extremely judgemental?
So the practice is uncivilised because it's uncivilised. Sounds lovely me circular reasoning to me. Come on, man, you are not ten.
I don't and won't eat bats, but we dig up filter feeders from the sea bed and make delicacies out of them.
I think a little common sense is required lol
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Ah. Appeals to common sense. The eternal refuge of those who lack logic and facts. "
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"I would say it's very much an uncivilised civilised practice.
Yes. That's passing judgement and that's the easy part. The hard part is to say why it is uncivilised. Do you think you can manage that?
We teach children that the search for knowledge begins with the question why.
Surely saying an entire country is unccilivilsed is extremely judgemental?
So the practice is uncivilised because it's uncivilised. Sounds lovely me circular reasoning to me. Come on, man, you are not ten.
I don't and won't eat bats, but we dig up filter feeders from the sea bed and make delicacies out of them.
I think a little common sense is required lol
#thickas......
Ah. Appeals to common sense. The eternal refuge of those who lack logic and facts.
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Must say it should be common sense !
It's like a child asking silly questions
De olds de moon de brighter it shines . Obviously not the case in the whole of Jamaica ? |
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" Well as we encroach more and more and more in to what's left of our natural world the chances of coming in to contact with some nasty stuff increases ? and chopping down the rain forests at the rate we are is just asking for trouble and john oliver did a great piece in his show but the likely hood of another "Pandemic" and there's one virus carried by animals that if it crosses over to humans ( and it could) the death rate is about 74% ??
I totally agree with everything you say. But I live in this country and we got rich by exploiting our natural resources. I feel guilty telling other people not to do the same in order to get rich like us.
Which of those previously created Pandemics though ?
Smallpox, Mayflower, blankets for the native.
You do know that Europe has had its fair shape of epidemics, don't you?
Mayflower ? Blankets ? WTF
Can I have what you are drinking lol"
It would not agree with you ?? |
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"I would say it's very much an uncivilised civilised practice.
Yes. That's passing judgement and that's the easy part. The hard part is to say why it is uncivilised. Do you think you can manage that?
We teach children that the search for knowledge begins with the question why.
Surely saying an entire country is unccilivilsed is extremely judgemental?
So the practice is uncivilised because it's uncivilised. Sounds lovely me circular reasoning to me. Come on, man, you are not ten.
I don't and won't eat bats, but we dig up filter feeders from the sea bed and make delicacies out of them.
I think a little common sense is required lol
#thickas......
Ah. Appeals to common sense. The eternal refuge of those who lack logic and facts.
Must say it should be common sense !
It's like a child asking silly questions
De olds de moon de brighter it shines . Obviously not the case in the whole of Jamaica ?"
I'll ignore the Jamaica give.
Have you ever came across anything that was common sense that turned out to be nonsense? Like getting a cold from being in the cold?
Anyway, I don't care whether people eat bat or not. I wanted the OP to explain why it made people uncivilised. I just didn't want anyone to conclude that he was engaging in casual racism. |
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"I would say it's very much an uncivilised civilised practice.
Yes. That's passing judgement and that's the easy part. The hard part is to say why it is uncivilised. Do you think you can manage that?
We teach children that the search for knowledge begins with the question why.
Surely saying an entire country is unccilivilsed is extremely judgemental?
So the practice is uncivilised because it's uncivilised. Sounds lovely me circular reasoning to me. Come on, man, you are not ten.
I don't and won't eat bats, but we dig up filter feeders from the sea bed and make delicacies out of them.
I think a little common sense is required lol
#thickas......
Ah. Appeals to common sense. The eternal refuge of those who lack logic and facts.
Must say it should be common sense !
It's like a child asking silly questions
De olds de moon de brighter it shines . Obviously not the case in the whole of Jamaica ?
I'll ignore the Jamaica give.
Have you ever came across anything that was common sense that turned out to be nonsense? Like getting a cold from being in the cold?
Anyway, I don't care whether people eat bat or not. I wanted the OP to explain why it made people uncivilised. I just didn't want anyone to conclude that he was engaging in casual racism."
You must be joking
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"I have spent time in China and the cruelty in markets is sickening beyond belief..can't stand them to be blunt... Halal and Kosher is disgusting as well not much to choose between them.."
Agreed its horrendous
A sensible posting
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"I have spent time in China and the cruelty in markets is sickening beyond belief..can't stand them to be blunt... Halal and Kosher is disgusting as well not much to choose between them..
Agreed its horrendous
A sensible posting
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Not something you would expect in a civilised country/society |
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I understood from a news feed that the practice of bat farming and also caging wild bats was now outlawed in china since last summer.
Hopefully they have learnt a harsh lesson |
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"I understood from a news feed that the practice of bat farming and also caging wild bats was now outlawed in china since last summer.
Hopefully they have learnt a harsh lesson "
Cheers
Just read that on CNN it was outlawed thankfully in March last year. Very civilised of them |
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"I understood from a news feed that the practice of bat farming and also caging wild bats was now outlawed in china since last summer.
Hopefully they have learnt a harsh lesson "
Really civilised now lol
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"I have just read on live science that the WHO have finally concluded that it started in bats held in animal farms that supplied the markets in Wuhan.
What pressure can be put onto China to stop these dangerous uncivilized practices?"
Some cultures look at those who eat cows as uncivilised .... be careful of the point you are making |
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"I have just read on live science that the WHO have finally concluded that it started in bats held in animal farms that supplied the markets in Wuhan.
What pressure can be put onto China to stop these dangerous uncivilized practices?
Some cultures look at those who eat cows as uncivilised .... be careful of the point you are making "
Have cows started pandemics as well ?? Wow |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"I have just read on live science that the WHO have finally concluded that it started in bats held in animal farms that supplied the markets in Wuhan.
What pressure can be put onto China to stop these dangerous uncivilized practices?
Some cultures look at those who eat cows as uncivilised .... be careful of the point you are making
Have cows started pandemics as well ?? Wow"
Foot and mouth..... bse?
Bit like the link between Ebola and bush meat |
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