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"Wasn't I Right... Choose your Vaccine I was shot down here a few weeks ago. I shall not queue for any vaccine. Request from your GP pfizer vaccine " You can't request. You have to take what's available on the day. Kier Starmer just had the AstraZeneca | |||
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"Wasn't I Right... Choose your Vaccine I was shot down here a few weeks ago. I shall not queue for any vaccine. Request from your GP pfizer vaccine " You shouldn't be telling anyone what vaccine they should have. If in the future there is a problem with Pfizer i hope you ld be less pushy. I have had what was offered to me . And i ll add , im extremely grateful. | |||
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"Wasn't I Right... Choose your Vaccine I was shot down here a few weeks ago. I shall not queue for any vaccine. Request from your GP pfizer vaccine " What were you right about ? | |||
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"Wasn't I Right... Choose your Vaccine I was shot down here a few weeks ago. I shall not queue for any vaccine. Request from your GP pfizer vaccine " You do not get a choice and you are wrong | |||
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"Wasn't I Right... Choose your Vaccine I was shot down here a few weeks ago. I shall not queue for any vaccine. Request from your GP pfizer vaccine " You do realise that back in January Norway was expressing concern that 29 people had died after having the Pfizer vaccine. People get clots all the time and it’s been shown that the incidence of clots in vaccinated people is no more than those who haven’t been vaccinated. | |||
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"Wasn't I Right... Choose your Vaccine I was shot down here a few weeks ago. I shall not queue for any vaccine. Request from your GP pfizer vaccine " Why? | |||
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"I'd just take what's available! " This | |||
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"Wasn't I Right... Choose your Vaccine I was shot down here a few weeks ago. I shall not queue for any vaccine. Request from your GP pfizer vaccine You can't request. You have to take what's available on the day. Kier Starmer just had the AstraZeneca " No I don't have to take what's available... FFS are you for real | |||
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"Wasn't I Right... Choose your Vaccine I was shot down here a few weeks ago. I shall not queue for any vaccine. Request from your GP pfizer vaccine You do realise that back in January Norway was expressing concern that 29 people had died after having the Pfizer vaccine. People get clots all the time and it’s been shown that the incidence of clots in vaccinated people is no more than those who haven’t been vaccinated." This | |||
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"Wasn't I Right... Choose your Vaccine I was shot down here a few weeks ago. I shall not queue for any vaccine. Request from your GP pfizer vaccine You can't request. You have to take what's available on the day. Kier Starmer just had the AstraZeneca No I don't have to take what's available... FFS are you for real " . I shall wait... For the best Pzeizer | |||
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"Do you choose which flu vaccine you get? " Never needed it thankfully... I'm in no rush. But I want the best. OK. | |||
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"Wasn't I Right... Choose your Vaccine I was shot down here a few weeks ago. I shall not queue for any vaccine. Request from your GP pfizer vaccine " I J have had the Oxford vaccine,,,a little tired next day but fine after that, considering millions in the UK have had the Oxford vaccine and no bad reports....doesnt it sound suspicious that Europe is still bad mouthing it..a week or so ago they was bad mouthing UK for not supplying them..but does seem really odd that they promote the most expensive vaccines available..are they on commission ? Certainly questions need asking..for a start how many have had the various vaccines in Europe and how many have had bloodclots ? Where was it made ? Who checked it for quality ? Who ensured storage and distribution was temperature controlled etc etc...your going off half cock without the facts..just press releases and sensationalism.... | |||
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"Do you choose which flu vaccine you get? " Never needed it thankfully... I'm in no rush. But I want the best. OK. As regards C19 vaccine | |||
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"I had the AZ several weeks ago. I wanted to avoid travelling, i wanted the AZ vaccine so I'm pleased. " Ammmmmmmmm you wanted to avoid traveling??? I don't understand... I thought the reason to get vaccinated was so you could travel | |||
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"Just tune into Sky News. I'll say no more. " France, Italy and Germany have suspended use of Astrazeneca vaccine. | |||
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"You are not right. Sky News (16.45) suggests risk of blood clots is actually reduced not raised after the Oxford vaccine. Why on earth would you be bragging about what you see as some kind of victory? Let people decide for themselves just as you are obviously doing!" I'm not `Bragging` Jassssssuuusss. | |||
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"Just tune into Sky News. I'll say no more. France, Italy and Germany have suspended use of Astrazeneca vaccine." Ha, I knew this would become the next vaccine hysteria with the extremely kneejerk overcautious approach from a few countries without normal people actually really understanding anything relating to the bloodclot reporting. | |||
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"Had the AZ last week. Felt a bit rough the next day but fine after that. Weren't offered a choice but just grateful to get one anyway. If your thrown a lifeline then just take it." Very much so. This is not the time to ask for a specific vaccine - they have all passed the tests and the stories around them change almost hourly. To me (and I am actually pro European in every sense) this is a game of politics played by the European community which really nobody can afford to play. | |||
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"Just tune into Sky News. I'll say no more. France, Italy and Germany have suspended use of Astrazeneca vaccine." Suspended based on the precautionary principle. Hence no evidence that there is an increase in blood clots but they want to study the data. There have been less that 40 reported blood clot cases after 17 million vaccinations with the AZ vaccine. If you randomly take 17 million people without the vaccine and monitor them over 2 months, greater than 40 people will get blood clots. | |||
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" I'm not `Bragging` Jassssssuuusss. " “Wasn’t I right? Choose your vaccine” Yes you were. The UK has administered 11million doses of the Oxford vaccination and will continue to use it. WHO is recommending its usage. Your thread is promoting fear and uncertainty. | |||
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"Had the AZ last week. Felt a bit rough the next day but fine after that. Weren't offered a choice but just grateful to get one anyway. If your thrown a lifeline then just take it. Very much so. This is not the time to ask for a specific vaccine - they have all passed the tests and the stories around them change almost hourly. To me (and I am actually pro European in every sense) this is a game of politics played by the European community which really nobody can afford to play. " | |||
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"Just tune into Sky News. I'll say no more. " this is political as opposed to actually being about safety. Its already been addressed several times that your no more likely to get blood clots with the vaccine than If you didn't have it. | |||
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"Just tune into Sky News. I'll say no more. France, Italy and Germany have suspended use of Astrazeneca vaccine. Suspended based on the precautionary principle. Hence no evidence that there is an increase in blood clots but they want to study the data. There have been less that 40 reported blood clot cases after 17 million vaccinations with the AZ vaccine. If you randomly take 17 million people without the vaccine and monitor them over 2 months, greater than 40 people will get blood clots." Exactly, someone's fucked up on reading the data and gone into hysteria mode and it's gone viral | |||
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"I apologise if I have offended anybody in this post. Good Luck. I was just voicing my opinion... & Once Again I'll Say I Will Request Pzeizer When Hysteria Calms Down." What if you don't have a choice? I don't think they give you a menu. | |||
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"I apologise if I have offended anybody in this post. Good Luck. I was just voicing my opinion... & Once Again I'll Say I Will Request Pzeizer When Hysteria Calms Down." I know in the UK that you can’t choose which vaccine you get. I assume from your post that this is not the case in the ROI | |||
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"I apologise if I have offended anybody in this post. Good Luck. I was just voicing my opinion... & Once Again I'll Say I Will Request Pzeizer When Hysteria Calms Down. I know in the UK that you can’t choose which vaccine you get. I assume from your post that this is not the case in the ROI" Ahh maybe, didn't notice | |||
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"Just tune into Sky News. I'll say no more. France, Italy and Germany have suspended use of Astrazeneca vaccine." This has more to do with a Europe wide shortage of vaccines and politics than safety but as you don’t appear to be the brightest spark you can make your own opinion. | |||
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"Do you choose which flu vaccine you get? Never needed it thankfully... I'm in no rush. But I want the best. OK." I'm intrigued what you base "the best" on? What are your deciding factors to make your choice the best in your opinion? | |||
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"Wasn't I Right... Choose your Vaccine I was shot down here a few weeks ago. I shall not queue for any vaccine. Request from your GP pfizer vaccine " What are you ‘right ‘ about? | |||
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"You are not right. Sky News (16.45) suggests risk of blood clots is actually reduced not raised after the Oxford vaccine. Why on earth would you be bragging about what you see as some kind of victory? Let people decide for themselves just as you are obviously doing!" I NEVER mentioned the Oxford vaccine | |||
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"You are not right. Sky News (16.45) suggests risk of blood clots is actually reduced not raised after the Oxford vaccine. Why on earth would you be bragging about what you see as some kind of victory? Let people decide for themselves just as you are obviously doing! I NEVER mentioned the Oxford vaccine " So what makes you think the Pfizer one is better? | |||
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" I NEVER mentioned the Oxford vaccine " Which vaccine are you referring to then? The AstraZeneca/Oxford is the same thing. | |||
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"I had the AZ several weeks ago. I wanted to avoid travelling, i wanted the AZ vaccine so I'm pleased. Ammmmmmmmm you wanted to avoid traveling??? I don't understand... I thought the reason to get vaccinated was so you could travel" I didn't want to travel far to get my jab. If i wanted a choice of vaccine i would have to go to a hospital that was offering the vaccine that i chose. I wanted the AZ vaccine, my GP offered it so i went there ... 5 mins walk from home. | |||
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"I had the AZ several weeks ago. I wanted to avoid travelling, i wanted the AZ vaccine so I'm pleased. Ok now I understand. Hope your well etc... X Ammmmmmmmm you wanted to avoid traveling??? I don't understand... I thought the reason to get vaccinated was so you could travel I didn't want to travel far to get my jab. If i wanted a choice of vaccine i would have to go to a hospital that was offering the vaccine that i chose. I wanted the AZ vaccine, my GP offered it so i went there ... 5 mins walk from home." | |||
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"Wasn't I Right... Choose your Vaccine I was shot down here a few weeks ago. I shall not queue for any vaccine. Request from your GP pfizer vaccine " There is no evidence that one is any less of a risk than every other vaccine that is out there Stop spreading miss information pls | |||
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"Wasn't I Right... Choose your Vaccine I was shot down here a few weeks ago. I shall not queue for any vaccine. Request from your GP pfizer vaccine " Right about what? | |||
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"Do you choose which flu vaccine you get? Never needed it thankfully... I'm in no rush. But I want the best. OK." Did you know Oxford is better than Pfizer at preventing hospitalisation and death after one dose? | |||
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"I had the AZ several weeks ago. I wanted to avoid travelling, i wanted the AZ vaccine so I'm pleased. Ok now I understand. Hope your well etc... X Ammmmmmmmm you wanted to avoid traveling??? I don't understand... I thought the reason to get vaccinated was so you could travel I didn't want to travel far to get my jab. If i wanted a choice of vaccine i would have to go to a hospital that was offering the vaccine that i chose. I wanted the AZ vaccine, my GP offered it so i went there ... 5 mins walk from home." Ok, now I understand. I hope you're well X Best Wishes | |||
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"I’ve had my first jab off pfizer two weeks ago and now they have ran out so I have to have my second booster of a different one which I don’t know " You will receive Pfizer. They are holding it back for those needing 2nd vaccinations. | |||
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" I NEVER mentioned the Oxford vaccine Which vaccine are you referring to then? The AstraZeneca/Oxford is the same thing." Jeez I didn't realise that. Thanks for info https://www.who.int/news-room/feature-stories/detail/the-oxford-astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccine-what-you-need-to-know | |||
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"Thanks for the Trolls in DM ... Wishing Me Dead. Thanks. What a lovely bunch. Survival of the Fittest. " Don’t sweat it we all get em from time to time Just report the messages then block em | |||
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"Thanks for the Trolls in DM ... Wishing Me Dead. Thanks. What a lovely bunch. Survival of the Fittest. " Disagreeing is one thing but that’s totally unnecessary. Report for sure. | |||
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"Thanks for the Trolls in DM ... Wishing Me Dead. Thanks. What a lovely bunch. Survival of the Fittest. " Yes ive had tons of pms telling me im uneducated or i am the reason lockdowns arent lifted. | |||
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"Thanks for the Trolls in DM ... Wishing Me Dead. Thanks. What a lovely bunch. Survival of the Fittest. " Why are they wishing you dead. | |||
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"Wasn't I Right... Choose your Vaccine I was shot down here a few weeks ago. I shall not queue for any vaccine. Request from your GP pfizer vaccine " have all the answers and data do you ? | |||
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"I apologise if I have offended anybody in this post. Good Luck. I was just voicing my opinion... & Once Again I'll Say I Will Request Pzeizer When Hysteria Calms Down." You mean the hysteria you're helping to spread? Hopefully you won't catch covid and become seriously ill while you're sitting on that high horse waiting for the 'best' vaccine. | |||
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" I NEVER mentioned the Oxford vaccine Which vaccine are you referring to then? The AstraZeneca/Oxford is the same thing. Jeez I didn't realise that. Thanks for info https://www.who.int/news-room/feature-stories/detail/the-oxford-astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccine-what-you-need-to-know" Wait, so you literally don't know what you're talking about but seem to think giving out advice is a good idea? | |||
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"You are not right. Sky News (16.45) suggests risk of blood clots is actually reduced not raised after the Oxford vaccine. Why on earth would you be bragging about what you see as some kind of victory? Let people decide for themselves just as you are obviously doing! I NEVER mentioned the Oxford vaccine So what makes you think the Pfizer one is better?" Pzeizer is 95% effective...While Astrazeneca/Oxford is 63% effective against Covid. That's Why. | |||
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"Sorry OP, I’m losing patience with this now. Every time someone asks you a reasonable question you skirt around the subject and are unable to give an answer based on facts. You have quoted Sky News on a number of occasions and mentioned the Astrazeneca vaccine being suspended in some parts of Europe. Now when people are challenging you on your views you are saying you want the Pfizer simply because it’s more effective? " Yes of course I'll request the most effective vaccine. It's been proven in clinical trials Pfizer is 95-97% effective while Azaranaca/Oxford is 63% effective against Covid. | |||
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" Yes of course I'll request the most effective vaccine. It's been proven in clinical trials Pfizer is 95-97% effective while Azaranaca/Oxford is 63% effective against Covid. " Yes, you’ve already quoted those figures. Anyone can source them. What was the original point of your thread and what exactly were you “shot down in flames” about on another thread? | |||
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"Thanks for the Trolls in DM ... Wishing Me Dead. Thanks. What a lovely bunch. Survival of the Fittest. " How unfortunate and extremely uncalled for. It is a highly emotive subject and there are obviously some with genuine fear regarding this vaccine, so people are understandably rather riled up when misinformation is spread. People really need to be fact-checking and make up their own minds without all of the bullying or scaremongering. I hope you get what you're hoping for if it makes you feel more comfortable about the vaccine, although I know just as many people who have been unwell with the Pfizer as they have with AstraZenaca. I do have to ask though, what do you mean by "Survival of the fittest" at the end of your post? | |||
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"Thanks for the Trolls in DM ... Wishing Me Dead. Thanks. What a lovely bunch. Survival of the Fittest. How unfortunate and extremely uncalled for. It is a highly emotive subject and there are obviously some with genuine fear regarding this vaccine, so people are understandably rather riled up when misinformation is spread. People really need to be fact-checking and make up their own minds without all of the bullying or scaremongering. I hope you get what you're hoping for if it makes you feel more comfortable about the vaccine, although I know just as many people who have been unwell with the Pfizer as they have with AstraZenaca. I do have to ask though, what do you mean by "Survival of the fittest" at the end of your post?" | |||
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"I apologise if I have offended anybody in this post. Good Luck. I was just voicing my opinion... & Once Again I'll Say I Will Request Pzeizer When Hysteria Calms Down." Good for you but when you arrive for the jab you will be offered the one that’s there. Take it or leave it, it’s a vaccination clinic not a radio station taking requests | |||
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"*Astrazeneca I don't know why you're losing your patience with me... " Because you're contributing to the hysteria you mentioned. You do realise that the oxford vaccine is actually showing as more effective after one dose? You should be grateful you live in a country where multiple vaccines are available and instead of picking fault with the one you think is worse, you should have what you're given or don't bother at all. People are sat at home counting down the minutes until they can see loved ones again and it's people like you that will slow down the vaccine roll-out and make this horrible experience last longer. Either have a vaccine or don't, but don't spread misinformation then act like a victim when you don't get praised for your rubbish advice. | |||
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"Is it just me that finds this whole scenario suspicious. Only a matter of weeks ago Europe were cajoling the U.K. for not supplying enough vaccines to them and now all of a sudden they let this news out. Looks like sabotage to me. Less than 10 people per 10m vaccines have died. I’m sure more would have died if they hadn’t had the vaccine. " The EU banned bent bananas. | |||
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"*Astrazeneca I don't know why you're losing your patience with me... Because you're contributing to the hysteria you mentioned. You do realise that the oxford vaccine is actually showing as more effective after one dose? You should be grateful you live in a country where multiple vaccines are available and instead of picking fault with the one you think is worse, you should have what you're given or don't bother at all. People are sat at home counting down the minutes until they can see loved ones again and it's people like you that will slow down the vaccine roll-out and make this horrible experience last longer. Either have a vaccine or don't, but don't spread misinformation then act like a victim when you don't get praised for your rubbish advice." Thank you Keeley. V | |||
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"I apologise if I have offended anybody in this post. Good Luck. I was just voicing my opinion... & Once Again I'll Say I Will Request Pzeizer When Hysteria Calms Down." It's posts like this that help create hysteria in the first place. But then I guess some people just get a kick from creating chaos even if it damages other people. If you're worried OP, then talk to your GP and not try to spread unfounded rumours. | |||
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"Wasn't I Right... Choose your Vaccine I was shot down here a few weeks ago. I shall not queue for any vaccine. Request from your GP pfizer vaccine " You dont get that choice...you are given what they have on the day... | |||
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"*Astrazeneca I don't know why you're losing your patience with me... Because you're contributing to the hysteria you mentioned. You do realise that the oxford vaccine is actually showing as more effective after one dose? You should be grateful you live in a country where multiple vaccines are available and instead of picking fault with the one you think is worse, you should have what you're given or don't bother at all. People are sat at home counting down the minutes until they can see loved ones again and it's people like you that will slow down the vaccine roll-out and make this horrible experience last longer. Either have a vaccine or don't, but don't spread misinformation then act like a victim when you don't get praised for your rubbish advice." I was trying to phrase my reply... but this says it all! Thanks | |||
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"Wasn't I Right... Choose your Vaccine I was shot down here a few weeks ago. I shall not queue for any vaccine. Request from your GP pfizer vaccine You dont get that choice...you are given what they have on the day..." Potential exception: if your GP has reason to believe that your personal medical situation warrants one vaccine or another, that might happen. But that's not, "I, patient, want X or Y brand". It's "X vaccine might interact badly with your medical stuff, so I, a doctor with the power to do this stuff, am requesting you get not-X vaccine" | |||
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"*Astrazeneca I don't know why you're losing your patience with me... Because you're contributing to the hysteria you mentioned. You do realise that the oxford vaccine is actually showing as more effective after one dose? You should be grateful you live in a country where multiple vaccines are available and instead of picking fault with the one you think is worse, you should have what you're given or don't bother at all. People are sat at home counting down the minutes until they can see loved ones again and it's people like you that will slow down the vaccine roll-out and make this horrible experience last longer. Either have a vaccine or don't, but don't spread misinformation then act like a victim when you don't get praised for your rubbish advice." Spot on post. I had the Oxford and was bloody glad to get it. I see it as a step nearer returning to normal life where I can once again enjoy my family. Scaremongering, selfish attitudes such as the OP has displayed rip my knitting! | |||
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"*Astrazeneca I don't know why you're losing your patience with me... Because you're contributing to the hysteria you mentioned. You do realise that the oxford vaccine is actually showing as more effective after one dose? You should be grateful you live in a country where multiple vaccines are available and instead of picking fault with the one you think is worse, you should have what you're given or don't bother at all. People are sat at home counting down the minutes until they can see loved ones again and it's people like you that will slow down the vaccine roll-out and make this horrible experience last longer. Either have a vaccine or don't, but don't spread misinformation then act like a victim when you don't get praised for your rubbish advice. Spot on post. I had the Oxford and was bloody glad to get it. I see it as a step nearer returning to normal life where I can once again enjoy my family. Scaremongering, selfish attitudes such as the OP has displayed rip my knitting! " I know what you nean, it stretched my groundsheet. | |||
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"All the vaccine experts are out in force as usual " Some of us are experts, I'm a Campanologist. | |||
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"Sorry OP, I’m losing patience with this now. Every time someone asks you a reasonable question you skirt around the subject and are unable to give an answer based on facts. You have quoted Sky News on a number of occasions and mentioned the Astrazeneca vaccine being suspended in some parts of Europe. Now when people are challenging you on your views you are saying you want the Pfizer simply because it’s more effective? Yes of course I'll request the most effective vaccine. It's been proven in clinical trials Pfizer is 95-97% effective while Azaranaca/Oxford is 63% effective against Covid. " Just had a look, 67% effectiveness after first jab, 100% effectiveness against serious illness, hospitalisation and death according to the AZ website, bias yes, no more bias than Sky or BBC. | |||
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"Did you ask which company made your measles, smallpox or tetanus vaccine? Polio? According to Professor Spiegelhalter no alarm or surprise at all with what's been reported and the numbers are well within normal occurrences of blood clots with how many have been vaccinated. But he's just a leading scientist so there's no point listening to him..." Spiegelhalter is one of the greatest statisticians living in the world right now too and carries a vast swathe of credibility. If there’s not many people you follow in relation to covid, just make sure he’s one of those few | |||
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"I've had the, pfizer vaccine. Didn't feel a thing and, no side, effects at all. I've also got 3 relatives, who had the oxford vaccine and each one of them has been ill. One cousin was ill for 3 days, " That’s a sample size of 4. It takes every so lightly more than that to make scientific decisions | |||
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"Well the WHO says there is no evidence of problems with the AstraZeneca?" Actually I do. his is from a BMJ paper... A spokesperson for AstraZeneca said, “Patient safety is the highest priority for AstraZeneca. Regulators have clear and stringent efficacy and safety standards for the approval of any new medicine, and that includes Covid-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca. “An analysis of our safety data of more than 10 million records has shown no evidence of an increased risk of pulmonary embolism or deep vein thrombosis in any defined age group, gender, batch or in any particular country with Covid-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca. In fact, the observed number of these types of events is significantly lower in those vaccinated than what would be expected among the general population.” I have looked at the data myself. There is "less" incidence of clots with vaccine compared to general population. With vaccine 0.000073% incidence. Without vaccine 0.1%. | |||
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"Well the WHO says there is no evidence of problems with the AstraZeneca? Actually I do. his is from a BMJ paper... A spokesperson for AstraZeneca said, “Patient safety is the highest priority for AstraZeneca. Regulators have clear and stringent efficacy and safety standards for the approval of any new medicine, and that includes Covid-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca. “An analysis of our safety data of more than 10 million records has shown no evidence of an increased risk of pulmonary embolism or deep vein thrombosis in any defined age group, gender, batch or in any particular country with Covid-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca. In fact, the observed number of these types of events is significantly lower in those vaccinated than what would be expected among the general population.” I have looked at the data myself. There is "less" incidence of clots with vaccine compared to general population. With vaccine 0.000073% incidence. Without vaccine 0.1%. " They said the WHO, not asked who lol. | |||
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"Wasn't I Right... Choose your Vaccine I was shot down here a few weeks ago. I shall not queue for any vaccine. Request from your GP pfizer vaccine " Absolute rubbish | |||
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"No your were 100% wrong, latest news is that there are more clot reports from those having had Pfizer, also so Italy has announced this afternoon that its ban was political and not based on fact!! " I think anyone with one ounce of grey matter could see through this EU smokescreen | |||
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"No your were 100% wrong, latest news is that there are more clot reports from those having had Pfizer, also so Italy has announced this afternoon that its ban was political and not based on fact!! " And I think France banned, but then declared the ban would only be for 24 hours or so... as I said before, I support the concept of the EU but on this occasion things smell a bit of political agenda... sadly. | |||
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"Wasn't I Right... Choose your Vaccine I was shot down here a few weeks ago. I shall not queue for any vaccine. Request from your GP pfizer vaccine Absolute rubbish " I'm way down the list of priority to be vaccinated, but when my time arrives I will request which vaccine I want well in advance from my GP. | |||
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" I'm way down the list of priority to be vaccinated, but when my time arrives I will request which vaccine I want well in advance from my GP." I imagine your GP will direct you to your local vaccination centre to take what's on offer. | |||
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" I'm way down the list of priority to be vaccinated, but when my time arrives I will request which vaccine I want well in advance from my GP. I imagine your GP will direct you to your local vaccination centre to take what's on offer. " exactly this | |||
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" I'm way down the list of priority to be vaccinated, but when my time arrives I will request which vaccine I want well in advance from my GP. I imagine your GP will direct you to your local vaccination centre to take what's on offer. " No GPs are administering the vaccine also in their private practice here in Ireland. | |||
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"I am getting my first vaccine on Thursday and am just grateful to be having it, whichever one it is " Exactly this .... I didn’t know which one I was having until I arrived just so happened to be Pfizer ..... but I’d have welcomed it with open arms no matter which it was. Just grateful tbh | |||
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"Wasn't I Right... Choose your Vaccine I was shot down here a few weeks ago. I shall not queue for any vaccine. Request from your GP pfizer vaccine " No. You wasn't right. Your scaremongering and false accusations were rightly shot down. You're welcome to not take a vaccine. In the same way service providers may be welcome to deny you their patronage. No. You can't request a particular brand, you get what your given. I had the AZ vaccine nearly a week ago and I've had zero problems. Felt a little shivery in the shoulders the day after. A warm bath, an early night and a couple of paracetamol fixed that. I do wish the mods would remove or close dangerous nonsense threads. M | |||
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" I'm way down the list of priority to be vaccinated, but when my time arrives I will request which vaccine I want well in advance from my GP. I imagine your GP will direct you to your local vaccination centre to take what's on offer. No GPs are administering the vaccine also in their private practice here in Ireland." Might be different in Ireland but it’s not the way it works in England. When you say private you mean you pay? | |||
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"Wasn't I Right... Choose your Vaccine I was shot down here a few weeks ago. I shall not queue for any vaccine. Request from your GP pfizer vaccine " You know the American’s are reporting blood clots with the Pfizer vaccines too right? The choices seem to be the same but with Covid19 itself 1 in every 200 get clots, Astra Zenica in Europe (not UK) 1 in 167,000. This is pretty much inline with those who get them any way. | |||
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"Wasn't I Right... Choose your Vaccine I was shot down here a few weeks ago. I shall not queue for any vaccine. Request from your GP pfizer vaccine You know the American’s are reporting blood clots with the Pfizer vaccines too right? The choices seem to be the same but with Covid19 itself 1 in every 200 get clots, Astra Zenica in Europe (not UK) 1 in 167,000. This is pretty much inline with those who get them any way. " I didn't realise this until very recently. But I have alot more info now. Like all medicine there's side effects and one wouldn't want to read the leaflets attached to most listing all side effects... | |||
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"Wasn't I Right... Choose your Vaccine I was shot down here a few weeks ago. I shall not queue for any vaccine. Request from your GP pfizer vaccine You know the American’s are reporting blood clots with the Pfizer vaccines too right? The choices seem to be the same but with Covid19 itself 1 in every 200 get clots, Astra Zenica in Europe (not UK) 1 in 167,000. This is pretty much inline with those who get them any way. I didn't realise this until very recently. But I have alot more info now. Like all medicine there's side effects and one wouldn't want to read the leaflets attached to most listing all side effects..." So... what was been broadcast on all news channels is complete BS bar the suspension in 4 countries. Astra prevents blood clots apparently | |||
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" No. You wasn't right. Your scaremongering and false accusations were rightly shot down. You're welcome to not take a vaccine. In the same way service providers may be welcome to deny you their patronage. No. You can't request a particular brand, you get what your given. I had the AZ vaccine nearly a week ago and I've had zero problems. Felt a little shivery in the shoulders the day after. A warm bath, an early night and a couple of paracetamol fixed that. I do wish the mods would remove or close dangerous nonsense threads. M" Totally agree. Luckily most of us do our research before posting half baked nonsense. Sadly some just won’t back down even in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary | |||
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"Wasn't I Right... Choose your Vaccine I was shot down here a few weeks ago. I shall not queue for any vaccine. Request from your GP pfizer vaccine You know the American’s are reporting blood clots with the Pfizer vaccines too right? The choices seem to be the same but with Covid19 itself 1 in every 200 get clots, Astra Zenica in Europe (not UK) 1 in 167,000. This is pretty much inline with those who get them any way. I didn't realise this until very recently. But I have alot more info now. Like all medicine there's side effects and one wouldn't want to read the leaflets attached to most listing all side effects... So... what was been broadcast on all news channels is complete BS bar the suspension in 4 countries. Astra prevents blood clots apparently" to me looks like yet another mess the European union has made for itself, no millions will refuse the Astra Zenica vaccine because of it. They already were after the Germans wrongly said it wasn’t giving too the over 60’s the french and others followed suit. then the learn’t they were wrong, how many has that killed? This will kill more. The EU has made a huge mess of this, it has and will cost them many lives. | |||
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" to me looks like yet another mess the European union has made for itself, no millions will refuse the Astra Zenica vaccine because of it. They already were after the Germans wrongly said it wasn’t giving too the over 60’s the french and others followed suit. then the learn’t they were wrong, how many has that killed? This will kill more. The EU has made a huge mess of this, it has and will cost them many lives." I think you are right - delay after delay, scaremongering, lack of leadership and decision making will lead to many unnecessary casualties. So sad and unnecessary. I also wish the scaremongering about the different vaccines would stop over here. Let s just be grateful we had available a vaccine as quickly as we did. | |||
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"I have had the Pfizer vaccine and had side effects. given the choice given the choice I would have had the Oxford vaccine " I had Pfizer vaccine and experienced nothing - now wondering if it will protect me. | |||
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"Wasn't I Right... Choose your Vaccine I was shot down here a few weeks ago. I shall not queue for any vaccine. Request from your GP pfizer vaccine You know the American’s are reporting blood clots with the Pfizer vaccines too right? The choices seem to be the same but with Covid19 itself 1 in every 200 get clots, Astra Zenica in Europe (not UK) 1 in 167,000. This is pretty much inline with those who get them any way. " And given the age group most vaccines have been given too, suggests they are all very safe. | |||
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"I apologise if I have offended anybody in this post. Good Luck. I was just voicing my opinion... & Once Again I'll Say I Will Request Pzeizer When Hysteria Calms Down." Not sure it is being used now as first jab. So you could be waiting a longtime. Being the most expensive and hardest to move and store, I suspect it will just dissappear from us in coming months, as the other vaccines come online. | |||
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"Wasn't I Right... Choose your Vaccine I was shot down here a few weeks ago. I shall not queue for any vaccine. Request from your GP pfizer vaccine You know the American’s are reporting blood clots with the Pfizer vaccines too right? The choices seem to be the same but with Covid19 itself 1 in every 200 get clots, Astra Zenica in Europe (not UK) 1 in 167,000. This is pretty much inline with those who get them any way. I didn't realise this until very recently. But I have alot more info now. Like all medicine there's side effects and one wouldn't want to read the leaflets attached to most listing all side effects..." Maybe you ought to get the information before trotting in on your high horse and telling us how right you were. You were totally wrong and you should take the vaccine you are offered, you're lucky you can even have one, there are many people that would love to have it but can't. Sometimes the best course of action is to sit down and shut up and let the professionals do their job, this is exactly one of those times. | |||
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"Wasn't I Right... Choose your Vaccine I was shot down here a few weeks ago. I shall not queue for any vaccine. Request from your GP pfizer vaccine You know the American’s are reporting blood clots with the Pfizer vaccines too right? The choices seem to be the same but with Covid19 itself 1 in every 200 get clots, Astra Zenica in Europe (not UK) 1 in 167,000. This is pretty much inline with those who get them any way. I didn't realise this until very recently. But I have alot more info now. Like all medicine there's side effects and one wouldn't want to read the leaflets attached to most listing all side effects... Maybe you ought to get the information before trotting in on your high horse and telling us how right you were. You were totally wrong and you should take the vaccine you are offered, you're lucky you can even have one, there are many people that would love to have it but can't. Sometimes the best course of action is to sit down and shut up and let the professionals do their job, this is exactly one of those times. " ``Trotting in on my high horse`` Which I'm not... I'm not ``preventing the professionals from doing their job`` in anyway. | |||
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"You can’t choose. " My parents were both asked which one they wanted; the same vaccination centre was doing different vaccines on different days. | |||
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"Wasn't I Right... Choose your Vaccine I was shot down here a few weeks ago. I shall not queue for any vaccine. Request from your GP pfizer vaccine What exactly are you right about?? And is it worth boasting about? " | |||
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"I apologise if I have offended anybody in this post. Good Luck. I was just voicing my opinion... & Once Again I'll Say I Will Request Pzeizer When Hysteria Calms Down." Sadly, you may not have a choice, very little of the Pfizer vaccine in circulation now, we only have enough for our second doses. AZ deliveries have really escalated, have 10k doses to deliver next week and we will use every drop. | |||
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"I’ll take my advice from the WHO thanks. 40 cases in 17 million doses. Think I’ll take my chances. There is a difference between association and causation x" I’m not sure you want to be listening to Rodger Daltry and the boys on Covid to be fair | |||
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"Wasn't I Right... Choose your Vaccine I was shot down here a few weeks ago. I shall not queue for any vaccine. Request from your GP pfizer vaccine No. You wasn't right. Your scaremongering and false accusations were rightly shot down. You're welcome to not take a vaccine. In the same way service providers may be welcome to deny you their patronage. No. You can't request a particular brand, you get what your given. I had the AZ vaccine nearly a week ago and I've had zero problems. Felt a little shivery in the shoulders the day after. A warm bath, an early night and a couple of paracetamol fixed that. I do wish the mods would remove or close dangerous nonsense threads. M" Agree with you about mods closing threads. I have no gripe with the op, its her choice what she wants to do, no one here knows if she has or will be given a choice. What i do think is (not you) there are too many people on the virus forums giving advice, when obviously all they do is sit behind a keyboard and use google to state such bollo**s, unfortunately i cant name them, but im sure we all know who im on about. These people (well mainly one) shoots people down who don’t agree with her, constantly try to make people feel stupid, gives advice virtually making out shes a scienctist or similar, i think people like that should not be allowed to voice the way they do here. | |||
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"You can’t choose. " Indeed. It’s not a cocktail bar. | |||
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"Wasn't I Right... Choose your Vaccine I was shot down here a few weeks ago. I shall not queue for any vaccine. Request from your GP pfizer vaccine You know the American’s are reporting blood clots with the Pfizer vaccines too right? The choices seem to be the same but with Covid19 itself 1 in every 200 get clots, Astra Zenica in Europe (not UK) 1 in 167,000. This is pretty much inline with those who get them any way. I didn't realise this until very recently. But I have alot more info now. Like all medicine there's side effects and one wouldn't want to read the leaflets attached to most listing all side effects... Maybe you ought to get the information before trotting in on your high horse and telling us how right you were. You were totally wrong and you should take the vaccine you are offered, you're lucky you can even have one, there are many people that would love to have it but can't. Sometimes the best course of action is to sit down and shut up and let the professionals do their job, this is exactly one of those times. ``Trotting in on my high horse`` Which I'm not... I'm not ``preventing the professionals from doing their job`` in anyway." You most certainly have trotted in on a high horse, you just fell off it and face planted. I havent said you've prevented anyone doing their job, however, you literally have no idea about these vaccines, yet you think you get to choose which is best, you don't. That's why it's best to sit down and let the people that actually know what they are talking about to advise on the vaccines. Either take what you're given or don't take it at all. | |||
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"You can’t choose. Indeed. It’s not a cocktail bar. " Very true, you don't get to choose your poison, it's not a bar | |||
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"Wasn't I Right... Choose your Vaccine I was shot down here a few weeks ago. I shall not queue for any vaccine. Request from your GP pfizer vaccine You know the American’s are reporting blood clots with the Pfizer vaccines too right? The choices seem to be the same but with Covid19 itself 1 in every 200 get clots, Astra Zenica in Europe (not UK) 1 in 167,000. This is pretty much inline with those who get them any way. I didn't realise this until very recently. But I have alot more info now. Like all medicine there's side effects and one wouldn't want to read the leaflets attached to most listing all side effects... Maybe you ought to get the information before trotting in on your high horse and telling us how right you were. You were totally wrong and you should take the vaccine you are offered, you're lucky you can even have one, there are many people that would love to have it but can't. Sometimes the best course of action is to sit down and shut up and let the professionals do their job, this is exactly one of those times. " very well said | |||
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"Wasn't I Right... Choose your Vaccine I was shot down here a few weeks ago. I shall not queue for any vaccine. Request from your GP pfizer vaccine You shouldn't be telling anyone what vaccine they should have. If in the future there is a problem with Pfizer i hope you ld be less pushy. I have had what was offered to me . And i ll add , im extremely grateful." This, absolutely. And there is no evidence at the moment that Astra caused the clotting problems. When will people remember every single medicine, vaccine, prophylactic comes with a huge list of side effects ranging from common to very rare, even the panadol that you take, probably without even thinking about it. You choose what you want to take, if any, but don't assume you are qualified to speak for others. | |||
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"You can’t choose. Indeed. It’s not a cocktail bar. Very true, you don't get to choose your poison, it's not a bar " If you don't want to take it, don't take it. But please don't be implying the vaccine is poison. That's frankly stupid. M | |||
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"European Medical Association have said today there are no links between AZ vaccine and blood clots. The medical evidence had said that you stand more chance of pulmonary embolism from covid than AZ vaccine" Correction "European Medicines Agency" | |||
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"European Medical Association have said today there are no links between AZ vaccine and blood clots. The medical evidence had said that you stand more chance of pulmonary embolism from covid than AZ vaccine" This. The levels are actually lower than in a control group. It’s all politics and nonsense. | |||
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"Well the WHO says there is no evidence of problems with the AstraZeneca?" I had that one a couple weeks ago and I'm fine | |||
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"Well the WHO says there is no evidence of problems with the AstraZeneca?" Because there isn't! I had Astra 2 weeks ago. Not even a sore arm. | |||
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"Wasn't I Right... Choose your Vaccine I was shot down here a few weeks ago. I shall not queue for any vaccine. Request from your GP pfizer vaccine What were you right about ? " Absolutely nothing?? | |||
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"Wasn't I Right... Choose your Vaccine I was shot down here a few weeks ago. I shall not queue for any vaccine. Request from your GP pfizer vaccine You know the American’s are reporting blood clots with the Pfizer vaccines too right? The choices seem to be the same but with Covid19 itself 1 in every 200 get clots, Astra Zenica in Europe (not UK) 1 in 167,000. This is pretty much inline with those who get them any way. I didn't realise this until very recently. But I have alot more info now. Like all medicine there's side effects and one wouldn't want to read the leaflets attached to most listing all side effects... Maybe you ought to get the information before trotting in on your high horse and telling us how right you were. You were totally wrong and you should take the vaccine you are offered, you're lucky you can even have one, there are many people that would love to have it but can't. Sometimes the best course of action is to sit down and shut up and let the professionals do their job, this is exactly one of those times. ``Trotting in on my high horse`` Which I'm not... I'm not ``preventing the professionals from doing their job`` in anyway. You most certainly have trotted in on a high horse, you just fell off it and face planted. I havent said you've prevented anyone doing their job, however, you literally have no idea about these vaccines, yet you think you get to choose which is best, you don't. That's why it's best to sit down and let the people that actually know what they are talking about to advise on the vaccines. Either take what you're given or don't take it at all. " I haven't ``face planted anywhere`` and as I said earlier I'm not on a ``high horse``. I have apologised earlier on in this thread and it's just not being accepted in this thread. I'm sensing an air of aggressiveness in your comments. I will not be told to ``shut up`` as you said earlier and ``let the professionals do their job``, as I said I've no intention of preventing the professionals from do their job. I know what I want and I will get it. What happened to freedom of speech and voicing an opinion... | |||
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"I've had the, pfizer vaccine. Didn't feel a thing and, no side, effects at all. I've also got 3 relatives, who had the oxford vaccine and each one of them has been ill. One cousin was ill for 3 days, That’s a sample size of 4. It takes every so lightly more than that to make scientific decisions " | |||
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"Wasn't I Right... Choose your Vaccine I was shot down here a few weeks ago. I shall not queue for any vaccine. Request from your GP pfizer vaccine You know the American’s are reporting blood clots with the Pfizer vaccines too right? The choices seem to be the same but with Covid19 itself 1 in every 200 get clots, Astra Zenica in Europe (not UK) 1 in 167,000. This is pretty much inline with those who get them any way. I didn't realise this until very recently. But I have alot more info now. Like all medicine there's side effects and one wouldn't want to read the leaflets attached to most listing all side effects... Maybe you ought to get the information before trotting in on your high horse and telling us how right you were. You were totally wrong and you should take the vaccine you are offered, you're lucky you can even have one, there are many people that would love to have it but can't. Sometimes the best course of action is to sit down and shut up and let the professionals do their job, this is exactly one of those times. ``Trotting in on my high horse`` Which I'm not... I'm not ``preventing the professionals from doing their job`` in anyway. You most certainly have trotted in on a high horse, you just fell off it and face planted. I havent said you've prevented anyone doing their job, however, you literally have no idea about these vaccines, yet you think you get to choose which is best, you don't. That's why it's best to sit down and let the people that actually know what they are talking about to advise on the vaccines. Either take what you're given or don't take it at all. I haven't ``face planted anywhere`` and as I said earlier I'm not on a ``high horse``. I have apologised earlier on in this thread and it's just not being accepted in this thread. I'm sensing an air of aggressiveness in your comments. I will not be told to ``shut up`` as you said earlier and ``let the professionals do their job``, as I said I've no intention of preventing the professionals from do their job. I know what I want and I will get it. What happened to freedom of speech and voicing an opinion... " 'I know what I want and I will get it'. This speaks volumes. You didnt even know that the Oxford vaccine was the same as the astrazeneca vaccine, what on earth makes you think you know which vaccine is better? Freedom of speech is fine, and so is an opinion, but you spouted nonsense as fact, and told people to go and get a certain vaccine, that's not just an opinion, that is giving advice/orders that were based on information that was incorrect. You were joining in with the hysteria spreading and it helps nobody. | |||
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