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over a year ago
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"Enough is enough when will the media stop with the scare stories, trying reporting on real things and let us get our lives back.
I'm sorry you don't find a global pandemic newsworthy."
what pandemic , cv19 has cured the flu and old age plus lower the cancer death rate by 70%,now that's good news. |
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"Enough is enough when will the media stop with the scare stories, trying reporting on real things and let us get our lives back. "
When will we close or control the ports efetivly this has to stop and soon.
This will happen when some is traveling in from a red area with people that are not and people that don't want to qurenteen properly. |
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"Enough is enough when will the media stop with the scare stories, trying reporting on real things and let us get our lives back.
I'm sorry you don't find a global pandemic newsworthy.what pandemic , cv19 has cured the flu and old age plus lower the cancer death rate by 70%,now that's good news. "
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"Enough is enough when will the media stop with the scare stories, trying reporting on real things and let us get our lives back.
I'm sorry you don't find a global pandemic newsworthy.what pandemic , cv19 has cured the flu and old age plus lower the cancer death rate by 70%,now that's good news. "
The pandemic that last year plus all other causes meant that it was the highest number of deaths in the UK since the end of world war two, some 86,000 extra..
That pandemic.. |
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"Shouldn't these new variants be called covid 21 now ?
Well at least covid 19 a,b,c,d,dd "
They do have nomenclature for the variants. The two variants from Brazil are B.1.1.7 and P.1. P.1 is the one we're getting concerned about now. The letters and numbers relate to the evolutionary relationship between new variants and previous variants.
There's no single internationally accepted system for viral nomenclature. An article recently in "Nature" bemoans this. Search for the title "The world needs a single naming system for coronavirus variants" from 19th Jan 2021. |
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"I thought B117 was Kent and Brazil had P1 and P2?
I've forgotten South Africa, but, the other one  "
Apologies, you're right about B.1.1.7 being the UK "Kent" variant. P1 is the Brazilian one. The South Africa one is the B.1.351 lineage |
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"I thought B117 was Kent and Brazil had P1 and P2?
I've forgotten South Africa, but, the other one
Apologies, you're right about B.1.1.7 being the UK "Kent" variant. P1 is the Brazilian one. The South Africa one is the B.1.351 lineage"
I'm trying to learn the numbers |
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"When the country is bankrupt then Covid will end
At least we'll have done our part to protect each other. It'll all be worth it."
yes definitely will be we can all die of something else poverty , lack of funds for NHS |
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The Test and Trace service is stuck, as they don't have the contact info of 1 person who tested positive.
It appears the groups arrived in the UK shortly before the UK finally started quarantine hotels, after weeks of demands for it and them moving at a snails pace - doing everything too late, as they've done all the way through. |
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"Enough is enough when will the media stop with the scare stories, trying reporting on real things and let us get our lives back.
I'm sorry you don't find a global pandemic newsworthy.what pandemic , cv19 has cured the flu and old age plus lower the cancer death rate by 70%,now that's good news. "
Don't please. Just don't... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Worst kept secret ever! A blind man on a galloping horse seen a new variant coming from far far away, or was it the extension of furlough that give it away, or the sunny weather and people having the balls to enjoy themselves take your pic. |
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There will be new variants for as long as the SARS-CoV-2 viruses infection humans or animals. It's evolution.
We are all riddled with mutations. My blue eyes are mutant eyes. Your adult lactose tolerance is a mutation from wild type.
This is what happens when DNA or RNA replicates. The frequency of replication errors being conserved just varies from organism to organism and individual to individual. It's simple genetics. |
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"When the country is bankrupt then Covid will end
At least we'll have done our part to protect each other. It'll all be worth it. yes definitely will be we can all die of something else poverty , lack of funds for NHS "
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By (user no longer on site)
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"lets hope it dont spread as this is one of the ones where the vaccine is said not to work againts"
Pfizer and Astra Zeneca have both said vaccine IS effective against this. |
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By *ocbigMan
over a year ago
Birmingham |
"When the country is bankrupt then Covid will end
At least we'll have done our part to protect each other. It'll all be worth it. yes definitely will be we can all die of something else poverty , lack of funds for NHS "
Your solution? |
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"Best yet..Covid cured flu. Is that kinda viral if batman & superman fought..."
To be fair, it is "VERY OBVIOUS" that any measures put in place to control Covid, will also control other respiratory virus's... even our low ability year 7's worked that one out. |
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By *ocbigMan
over a year ago
Birmingham |
"So our world beating track and trace system which cost £22 billion can't find the person with the Brazilian mutant because no one noticed they hadn't filled in their form ? "
There’s a form? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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The UK has set strict quarantine rules for anyone arriving from a red zone. The issue is no other country has. So any in bound travel to UK could include people who have traveled from red zones..which is what happened in this case and as usual the media are trying to scare everyone about it. The UK can't stop all inbound travel what about deliveries ? truck drivers on ferries have to leave there vehicles during the crossing so another driver recently arrived into Europe from Brazil for example could be mixing with all drivers and spreading this variant....plus they should have passport details etc and I am sure police could trace this person if they wanted to..or can anyone slip away from the police once past border control it appears so. |
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By *had0wMan
over a year ago
Southampton |
"Seems to be one step forward and two steps backward relating to this virus.
Have to hope existing vaccines can curtail it.
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Brazilian variant has been around for weeks in the uk. So has the south African variant, the Kent variant, and so many other "variants".... watch how there will no variants when everyone is vaccinated and the fly makes a come back. |
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By *had0wMan
over a year ago
Southampton |
"Enough is enough when will the media stop with the scare stories, trying reporting on real things and let us get our lives back.
I'm sorry you don't find a global pandemic newsworthy.what pandemic , cv19 has cured the flu and old age plus lower the cancer death rate by 70%,now that's good news. "
Yeah covid cured flu etc but it seems that it didn't cure herd mentality. There's a pandemic going on but it's not covid. It's the sudden urge to believe a government that has lied for so many years and scammed us all for so long..... the jab is safe to take, there is a pandemic going on blah blah blah |
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By *had0wMan
over a year ago
Southampton |
"Enough is enough when will the media stop with the scare stories, trying reporting on real things and let us get our lives back.
When will we close or control the ports efetivly this has to stop and soon.
This will happen when some is traveling in from a red area with people that are not and people that don't want to qurenteen properly. "
But you can't travel without your vaccine passport.... just saying |
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By *had0wMan
over a year ago
Southampton |
"Enough is enough when will the media stop with the scare stories, trying reporting on real things and let us get our lives back.
I'm sorry you don't find a global pandemic newsworthy.what pandemic , cv19 has cured the flu and old age plus lower the cancer death rate by 70%,now that's good news.
Of which 6 thousands are covid... the rest are deaths from underlying causes but because they got covid while being in hospital then that's what they died from....
The pandemic that last year plus all other causes meant that it was the highest number of deaths in the UK since the end of world war two, some 86,000 extra..
That pandemic.."
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By *had0wMan
over a year ago
Southampton |
"When the country is bankrupt then Covid will end "
Won't happen when the bank of England is printing money to deal with this "pandemic"... watch out tax payer, you'll be paying that back with interest |
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By *had0wMan
over a year ago
Southampton |
"lets hope it dont spread as this is one of the ones where the vaccine is said not to work againts
Pfizer and Astra Zeneca have both said vaccine IS effective against this."
Of course they would.... their shares have skyrocketed because of this "pandemic". Telling people their shit don't work will soon change that... |
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"The UK has set strict quarantine rules for anyone arriving from a red zone. The issue is no other country has. So any in bound travel to UK could include people who have traveled from red zones..which is what happened in this case and as usual the media are trying to scare everyone about it. The UK can't stop all inbound travel what about deliveries ? truck drivers on ferries have to leave there vehicles during the crossing so another driver recently arrived into Europe from Brazil for example could be mixing with all drivers and spreading this variant....plus they should have passport details etc and I am sure police could trace this person if they wanted to..or can anyone slip away from the police once past border control it appears so."
But also all pasengrs on that plane ate not treated as red zone passengers but it can be quite a mix on board the plane |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Enough is enough when will the media stop with the scare stories, trying reporting on real things and let us get our lives back.
Exactly, constant scaremongering. I'm sick of it. "
Same. They twist everything to shock. They can't report on anything in a reasonable manner.
They just wind people up, who will then think we are doomed anyway so why not just go out and see friends and fuck lockdown. |
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"So our world beating track and trace system which cost £22 billion can't find the person with the Brazilian mutant because no one noticed they hadn't filled in their form ? "
how exactly would you like track and trace to be responsible for someone completing a form at home then dropping stuff in the post box? do the post boxes have new scanners that check for completeness before they accept a parcel?
we could check when it arrives and say oh no form filled in just throw this one away , but then we wouldn’t even know we had someone out there to try and trace |
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So they don't have anyone checking the details when the passenger came more so as there was no hotel quarantine then.
Is this a test of the system? Or a cover for something more worrying?
Bound to happen. If he or she was a smuggler then they are no likely to put themselves in the spotlight.
I think a longer lockdown is on the cards. |
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"So our world beating track and trace system which cost £22 billion can't find the person with the Brazilian mutant because no one noticed they hadn't filled in their form ?
how exactly would you like track and trace to be responsible for someone completing a form at home then dropping stuff in the post box? do the post boxes have new scanners that check for completeness before they accept a parcel?
we could check when it arrives and say oh no form filled in just throw this one away , but then we wouldn’t even know we had someone out there to try and trace "
if that is this governments world beating system of controlling the border then it is clearly woefully inadequate and extrememly poorly planned and executed. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I am ready to rip every hair out of my head... like. Also, how did they not realise someone didn’t fill in the form properly and how can they not find him?
Urgh... I hope when they do he risks jail time. Imagine if he went around being a super spreader |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So our world beating track and trace system which cost £22 billion can't find the person with the Brazilian mutant because no one noticed they hadn't filled in their form ?
how exactly would you like track and trace to be responsible for someone completing a form at home then dropping stuff in the post box? do the post boxes have new scanners that check for completeness before they accept a parcel?
we could check when it arrives and say oh no form filled in just throw this one away , but then we wouldn’t even know we had someone out there to try and trace
if that is this governments world beating system of controlling the border then it is clearly woefully inadequate and extrememly poorly planned and executed. "
it has nothing to do with the border - a positive test showed up in a lab with no name paperwork filled out with it - people have heard brazil strain and put 2+2=5 |
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"So our world beating track and trace system which cost £22 billion can't find the person with the Brazilian mutant because no one noticed they hadn't filled in their form ?
how exactly would you like track and trace to be responsible for someone completing a form at home then dropping stuff in the post box? do the post boxes have new scanners that check for completeness before they accept a parcel?
we could check when it arrives and say oh no form filled in just throw this one away , but then we wouldn’t even know we had someone out there to try and trace
if that is this governments world beating system of controlling the border then it is clearly woefully inadequate and extrememly poorly planned and executed.
it has nothing to do with the border - a positive test showed up in a lab with no name paperwork filled out with it - people have heard brazil strain and put 2+2=5"
whats more worrying is not one person seems to have grasped this despite it being clearly specified in the news articles that we don’t even know if this person travelled abroad |
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if the system was fit for purpose there would be no grey area where they didn't have a scooby what was going on. if only the government had the benefit of 13 months practice at managing a pandemic crisis .... oh hang on |
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"if the system was fit for purpose there would be no grey area where they didn't have a scooby what was going on. if only the government had the benefit of 13 months practice at managing a pandemic crisis .... oh hang on"
can you please suggest a system where it would be impossible for someone to not complete paperwork with a home test? are we saying lets send a track and trace employee out to houses now to watch the test be done , standing over your back telling you which boxes to fill in then following you to the post box to make sure it gets sent?
the media have spun you all up into a fury because someone forgot to fill in a bit of paperwork - and not one of you have ever done that in a hurry its human behaviour - incredibly bad luck that they had the brazillian variant, but human behaviour nonetheless |
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"So our world beating track and trace system which cost £22 billion can't find the person with the Brazilian mutant because no one noticed they hadn't filled in their form ?
how exactly would you like track and trace to be responsible for someone completing a form at home then dropping stuff in the post box? do the post boxes have new scanners that check for completeness before they accept a parcel?
we could check when it arrives and say oh no form filled in just throw this one away , but then we wouldn’t even know we had someone out there to try and trace
if that is this governments world beating system of controlling the border then it is clearly woefully inadequate and extrememly poorly planned and executed.
it has nothing to do with the border - a positive test showed up in a lab with no name paperwork filled out with it - people have heard brazil strain and put 2+2=5"
True.
Two options, it's a recent arrival or we have community transmission of this variant.
Either isn't good, but the latter scares me more. |
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"if the system was fit for purpose there would be no grey area where they didn't have a scooby what was going on. if only the government had the benefit of 13 months practice at managing a pandemic crisis .... oh hang on
can you please suggest a system where it would be impossible for someone to not complete paperwork with a home test? are we saying lets send a track and trace employee out to houses now to watch the test be done , standing over your back telling you which boxes to fill in then following you to the post box to make sure it gets sent?
the media have spun you all up into a fury because someone forgot to fill in a bit of paperwork - and not one of you have ever done that in a hurry its human behaviour - incredibly bad luck that they had the brazillian variant, but human behaviour nonetheless "
this just seems to jump on the government bandwagon of blaming everyone else for the problems they cause by their own ineptitude rather than themselves. the system they have installed has proved wanting repeatedly for over a year and yet they change nothing. they are quite simply getting people killed and i find that disgraceful even if you don't. |
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"So our world beating track and trace system which cost £22 billion can't find the person with the Brazilian mutant because no one noticed they hadn't filled in their form ?
how exactly would you like track and trace to be responsible for someone completing a form at home then dropping stuff in the post box? do the post boxes have new scanners that check for completeness before they accept a parcel?
we could check when it arrives and say oh no form filled in just throw this one away , but then we wouldn’t even know we had someone out there to try and trace
if that is this governments world beating system of controlling the border then it is clearly woefully inadequate and extrememly poorly planned and executed.
it has nothing to do with the border - a positive test showed up in a lab with no name paperwork filled out with it - people have heard brazil strain and put 2+2=5
True.
Two options, it's a recent arrival or we have community transmission of this variant.
Either isn't good, but the latter scares me more."
even if a recent arrival they could have just been on a plane with someone who’s journey originated in a country with the brazil strain, they could have filled in all the border paperwork correctly, and done their quarantine - its not a check people at the border or track them from entering the country issue
even if they were in hotel quarantine, unless the hotel tests are segregated at a lab, if they had missed this paperwork we still would have had no idea who it belonged to - the only benefit would be we could ring round the hotels and ask “anyone still waiting on a result” as away to eliminate possibilities quicker
there are folk on about track them from their credit card, or the flight manifest - what credit card and what flight manifest  all we have is a positive swab |
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"if the system was fit for purpose there would be no grey area where they didn't have a scooby what was going on. if only the government had the benefit of 13 months practice at managing a pandemic crisis .... oh hang on
can you please suggest a system where it would be impossible for someone to not complete paperwork with a home test? are we saying lets send a track and trace employee out to houses now to watch the test be done , standing over your back telling you which boxes to fill in then following you to the post box to make sure it gets sent?
the media have spun you all up into a fury because someone forgot to fill in a bit of paperwork - and not one of you have ever done that in a hurry its human behaviour - incredibly bad luck that they had the brazillian variant, but human behaviour nonetheless
this just seems to jump on the government bandwagon of blaming everyone else for the problems they cause by their own ineptitude rather than themselves. the system they have installed has proved wanting repeatedly for over a year and yet they change nothing. they are quite simply getting people killed and i find that disgraceful even if you don't."
no it seems that much like 90% of this thread you haven’t actually read the details and you’ve heard the headline “searching for missing brazil variant” and jumped to entirely incorrect conclusions |
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I would have thought that the swabs were connected to the person who requested them. Like, I've done one and I got a text and an email. Presumably the person who filled in the details would be able to be traced, and... y'know, "who did you give the test to?" |
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"no it seems that much like 90% of this thread you haven’t actually read the details and you’ve heard the headline “searching for missing brazil variant” and jumped to entirely incorrect conclusions "
you just carry on blaming others, i prefer to base judgement on the facts thanks all the same |
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"I would have thought that the swabs were connected to the person who requested them. Like, I've done one and I got a text and an email. Presumably the person who filled in the details would be able to be traced, and... y'know, "who did you give the test to?""
the swabs are connected to the data you register them to when the test is done - not when posted out
even the more expensive private ones - they just ask for an online portal to be completed as well as paperwork, but clearly tell you if you dont include the paperwork your test result will not make it back to you |
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"no it seems that much like 90% of this thread you haven’t actually read the details and you’ve heard the headline “searching for missing brazil variant” and jumped to entirely incorrect conclusions
you just carry on blaming others, i prefer to base judgement on the facts thanks all the same"
so please tell me what are the facts? |
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"no it seems that much like 90% of this thread you haven’t actually read the details and you’ve heard the headline “searching for missing brazil variant” and jumped to entirely incorrect conclusions
you just carry on blaming others, i prefer to base judgement on the facts thanks all the same
so please tell me what are the facts? "
because i see an entire thread on about border paperwork and checking people coming into the country and flight manifests when we don’t even know this person left the country
so thats an entire thread of judgement based on assumption |
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"I would have thought that the swabs were connected to the person who requested them. Like, I've done one and I got a text and an email. Presumably the person who filled in the details would be able to be traced, and... y'know, "who did you give the test to?"
the swabs are connected to the data you register them to when the test is done - not when posted out
even the more expensive private ones - they just ask for an online portal to be completed as well as paperwork, but clearly tell you if you dont include the paperwork your test result will not make it back to you "
Crikey. I would have assumed there'd have been a way to trace it through the posting out. At least someone to ask. |
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the facts are that the government, who you seem to forget that are responsible for implementing effective systems to deal with border control, are saying they have't got a clue what's going on. yet you blame everyone and everything else apart from them. |
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"I would have thought that the swabs were connected to the person who requested them. Like, I've done one and I got a text and an email. Presumably the person who filled in the details would be able to be traced, and... y'know, "who did you give the test to?"
the swabs are connected to the data you register them to when the test is done - not when posted out
even the more expensive private ones - they just ask for an online portal to be completed as well as paperwork, but clearly tell you if you dont include the paperwork your test result will not make it back to you
Crikey. I would have assumed there'd have been a way to trace it through the posting out. At least someone to ask."
it would just be a waste of money- how many tests do you think go home them people don’t use them because they just went to a walk up testing instead, or it was delayed in the post and never came in the 5 days from symptoms limit, or people just ordered so they have it at home when they want it in future
i personally have a friend that did exactly this - had a test at home god nows when she ordered it but she had it at home, used it before her private one before her holiday last year to make sure she was negative before spending the money, when i asked her how dod you get on with the nhs one she laughed and said i forgot to put my details on it so i didn’t get the result
its been incredibly unfortunate that this test had the brazil strain but that is the only reason we are hearing about it - when we are doing hundreds of thousands a day how many do you really think have problems with their paperwork? |
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"the facts are that the government, who you seem to forget that are responsible for implementing effective systems to deal with border control, are saying they have't got a clue what's going on. yet you blame everyone and everything else apart from them."
wrong - this issue has absolutely nothing to do with border control systems - try again - maybe read one of the news articles before your second attempt |
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"I would have thought that the swabs were connected to the person who requested them. Like, I've done one and I got a text and an email. Presumably the person who filled in the details would be able to be traced, and... y'know, "who did you give the test to?"
the swabs are connected to the data you register them to when the test is done - not when posted out
even the more expensive private ones - they just ask for an online portal to be completed as well as paperwork, but clearly tell you if you dont include the paperwork your test result will not make it back to you
Crikey. I would have assumed there'd have been a way to trace it through the posting out. At least someone to ask.
it would just be a waste of money- how many tests do you think go home them people don’t use them because they just went to a walk up testing instead, or it was delayed in the post and never came in the 5 days from symptoms limit, or people just ordered so they have it at home when they want it in future
i personally have a friend that did exactly this - had a test at home god nows when she ordered it but she had it at home, used it before her private one before her holiday last year to make sure she was negative before spending the money, when i asked her how dod you get on with the nhs one she laughed and said i forgot to put my details on it so i didn’t get the result
its been incredibly unfortunate that this test had the brazil strain but that is the only reason we are hearing about it - when we are doing hundreds of thousands a day how many do you really think have problems with their paperwork? "
That seems like a massive oversight for all sorts of reasons. |
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a referendum was fought on the premise that they couldn't control the border without eu interference. over a year since the government took control of the border they say they don't know wether a prticular person may or may not have crossed that border. that makes them clueless. but then the same government has seen a massive increase in drugs entering prisons so their ineptitude is hardly surprising really. |
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" a referendum was fought on the premise that they couldn't control the border without eu interference. over a year since the government took control of the border they say they don't know wether a prticular person may or may not have crossed that border. that makes them clueless. but then the same government has seen a massive increase in drugs entering prisons so their ineptitude is hardly surprising really."
they know who crossed the border , they don’t know if the owner of an unidentifiable test is one of those people because tests are not connected to passports - nothing to do with border control, nothing to do with brexit, nothing to do with politics - its just a user error for the test , very very easily done because you know we are human |
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what would you have done with that data though? just stored it for the year on the off chance that we might get a positive test one day that someone didn’t fill in?
it would have been a phenomenal amount of extra cost and admin to connect unused tests to people then follow up what went wrong if they dont later flag as used |
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"what would you have done with that data though? just stored it for the year on the off chance that we might get a positive test one day that someone didn’t fill in?
it would have been a phenomenal amount of extra cost and admin to connect unused tests to people then follow up what went wrong if they dont later flag as used "
For a disease that is causing such massive disruption/ loss of life... yeah. Database. This is going to Swing at 123 Example Street, enter designated number for Swing, scan barcode on test. Store data in accordance with other health information. Accessible only under circumstances such as these. |
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why do you think they are testing kids n parents twice a week from 8th march lol
.....to get the numbers back up
Remember they said schools are safe...use your critical thinking if schools are safe and not vectors of the virus then why test twice a week.
Goal posts keep moving and you lot fall for it... previous goal post was to vaccinate the vulnerable so we can get back to normality |
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"why do you think they are testing kids n parents twice a week from 8th march lol
.....to get the numbers back up
Remember they said schools are safe...use your critical thinking if schools are safe and not vectors of the virus then why test twice a week.
Goal posts keep moving and you lot fall for it... previous goal post was to vaccinate the vulnerable so we can get back to normality"
We test to try to prevent further outbreaks, because this can harm all ages.
Agenda: won't someone think of the children. Appalling, huh? |
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"why do you think they are testing kids n parents twice a week from 8th march lol
.....to get the numbers back up
Remember they said schools are safe...use your critical thinking if schools are safe and not vectors of the virus then why test twice a week.
Goal posts keep moving and you lot fall for it... previous goal post was to vaccinate the vulnerable so we can get back to normality
We test to try to prevent further outbreaks, because this can harm all ages.
Agenda: won't someone think of the children. Appalling, huh? "
Again the same scientists said schools are not vectors of the virus...so explain why open the schools if they care so much
and explain why they changed tbe vaccination programme from vaccinating all vulnerable ppl with two shota in 3 weeks...to vaccinating all adults by summer with 1 shot  |
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"why do you think they are testing kids n parents twice a week from 8th march lol
.....to get the numbers back up
Remember they said schools are safe...use your critical thinking if schools are safe and not vectors of the virus then why test twice a week.
Goal posts keep moving and you lot fall for it... previous goal post was to vaccinate the vulnerable so we can get back to normality
We test to try to prevent further outbreaks, because this can harm all ages.
Agenda: won't someone think of the children. Appalling, huh?
Again the same scientists said schools are not vectors of the virus...so explain why open the schools if they care so much
and explain why they changed tbe vaccination programme from vaccinating all vulnerable ppl with two shota in 3 weeks...to vaccinating all adults by summer with 1 shot "
Politics and science should not be confused, even when the politicians are claiming to follow the science. |
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"why do you think they are testing kids n parents twice a week from 8th march lol
.....to get the numbers back up
Remember they said schools are safe...use your critical thinking if schools are safe and not vectors of the virus then why test twice a week.
Goal posts keep moving and you lot fall for it... previous goal post was to vaccinate the vulnerable so we can get back to normality
We test to try to prevent further outbreaks, because this can harm all ages.
Agenda: won't someone think of the children. Appalling, huh?
Again the same scientists said schools are not vectors of the virus...so explain why open the schools if they care so much
and explain why they changed tbe vaccination programme from vaccinating all vulnerable ppl with two shota in 3 weeks...to vaccinating all adults by summer with 1 shot
Politics and science should not be confused, even when the politicians are claiming to follow the science."
exactly my point...this is a political game....for control |
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Well considering the fact that our government expects us as individuals to control something we can't see when they should try to destroy the effing thing so we have better chance of staying healthy and add to that the fact that it's been like that for over a year now I think we're somewhat lucky we're only going two step backwards |
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"why do you think they are testing kids n parents twice a week from 8th march lol
.....to get the numbers back up
Remember they said schools are safe...use your critical thinking if schools are safe and not vectors of the virus then why test twice a week.
Goal posts keep moving and you lot fall for it... previous goal post was to vaccinate the vulnerable so we can get back to normality
We test to try to prevent further outbreaks, because this can harm all ages.
Agenda: won't someone think of the children. Appalling, huh?
Again the same scientists said schools are not vectors of the virus...so explain why open the schools if they care so much
and explain why they changed tbe vaccination programme from vaccinating all vulnerable ppl with two shota in 3 weeks...to vaccinating all adults by summer with 1 shot
Politics and science should not be confused, even when the politicians are claiming to follow the science.
exactly my point...this is a political game....for control"
You got any evidence of that? |
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"Seems to be one step forward and two steps backward relating to this virus.
Have to hope existing vaccines can curtail it.
Is the Brazilian variant thr one without pubes?"
You win the internet today |
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" they know who crossed the border , they don’t know if the owner of an unidentifiable test is one of those people because tests are not connected to passports "
letting folks cross the border without taking an identifiable test in relation to each border crosser is not controlling your borders. the government have failed to implement an effective border control system. it's that simple. |
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"what would you have done with that data though? just stored it for the year on the off chance that we might get a positive test one day that someone didn’t fill in?
it would have been a phenomenal amount of extra cost and admin to connect unused tests to people then follow up what went wrong if they dont later flag as used
For a disease that is causing such massive disruption/ loss of life... yeah. Database. This is going to Swing at 123 Example Street, enter designated number for Swing, scan barcode on test. Store data in accordance with other health information. Accessible only under circumstances such as these."
swing you have repeatedly agreed that its a risk vs reward approach that we require and thats what you will be doing yourself when lockdown ends
the risk if this happening was low - yes its happened because the risk wasn’t zero , but the risk that existed wasn’t high enough to warrant the additional expense, time, admin, complications to the testing system at the volume of tests we are completing- the aim was to get tests out to people as quickly as possible and track them on the way back in when they actually mean something - an unused test kit being posted out is just that - an unused test kit |
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" they know who crossed the border , they don’t know if the owner of an unidentifiable test is one of those people because tests are not connected to passports
letting folks cross the border without taking an identifiable test in relation to each border crosser is not controlling your borders. the government have failed to implement an effective border control system. it's that simple."
we don’t even know this person left the country!!!!
thats exactly what i mean about assumptions and 2+2 =5
you read brazil variant and assumed they travelled - all it means for sure is they have the same variant as one that was first found in brazil
it could be community transmission or a new UK mutation that has the same characteristics as the brazil variant
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By *reyyaMan
over a year ago
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"why do you think they are testing kids n parents twice a week from 8th march lol
.....to get the numbers back up
Remember they said schools are safe...use your critical thinking if schools are safe and not vectors of the virus then why test twice a week.
Goal posts keep moving and you lot fall for it... previous goal post was to vaccinate the vulnerable so we can get back to normality
We test to try to prevent further outbreaks, because this can harm all ages.
Agenda: won't someone think of the children. Appalling, huh?
Again the same scientists said schools are not vectors of the virus...so explain why open the schools if they care so much
and explain why they changed tbe vaccination programme from vaccinating all vulnerable ppl with two shota in 3 weeks...to vaccinating all adults by summer with 1 shot
Politics and science should not be confused, even when the politicians are claiming to follow the science.
exactly my point...this is a political game....for control
You got any evidence of that?"
Just open your eyes. Look around you. MSM. Newspapers. BBC. Stasi police. Masks. Shops shut. Visible propaganda. |
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"what would you have done with that data though? just stored it for the year on the off chance that we might get a positive test one day that someone didn’t fill in?
it would have been a phenomenal amount of extra cost and admin to connect unused tests to people then follow up what went wrong if they dont later flag as used
For a disease that is causing such massive disruption/ loss of life... yeah. Database. This is going to Swing at 123 Example Street, enter designated number for Swing, scan barcode on test. Store data in accordance with other health information. Accessible only under circumstances such as these.
swing you have repeatedly agreed that its a risk vs reward approach that we require and thats what you will be doing yourself when lockdown ends
the risk if this happening was low - yes its happened because the risk wasn’t zero , but the risk that existed wasn’t high enough to warrant the additional expense, time, admin, complications to the testing system at the volume of tests we are completing- the aim was to get tests out to people as quickly as possible and track them on the way back in when they actually mean something - an unused test kit being posted out is just that - an unused test kit "
I think the cost would be relatively low, and for a disease of this seriousness the admin would be worth it. |
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"why do you think they are testing kids n parents twice a week from 8th march lol
.....to get the numbers back up
Remember they said schools are safe...use your critical thinking if schools are safe and not vectors of the virus then why test twice a week.
Goal posts keep moving and you lot fall for it... previous goal post was to vaccinate the vulnerable so we can get back to normality
We test to try to prevent further outbreaks, because this can harm all ages.
Agenda: won't someone think of the children. Appalling, huh?
Again the same scientists said schools are not vectors of the virus...so explain why open the schools if they care so much
and explain why they changed tbe vaccination programme from vaccinating all vulnerable ppl with two shota in 3 weeks...to vaccinating all adults by summer with 1 shot
Politics and science should not be confused, even when the politicians are claiming to follow the science.
exactly my point...this is a political game....for control
You got any evidence of that?
Just open your eyes. Look around you. MSM. Newspapers. BBC. Stasi police. Masks. Shops shut. Visible propaganda. "
That's not evidence, that's "stuff exists, I'm going to draw invalid comparisons to totalitarian regimes, and if you can't see my leap into speculation you're blind" |
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"We are going to get different variants all the time just like the flu so more people get vaccinated the better "
The problem is we need to get the whole world vaccinated and keep the vaccinations up to date or unvaccinated populations will become reservoirs for disease and mutations to Covid. |
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"We are going to get different variants all the time just like the flu so more people get vaccinated the better
The problem is we need to get the whole world vaccinated and keep the vaccinations up to date or unvaccinated populations will become reservoirs for disease and mutations to Covid. "
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Some people can't read OPs or forum posts or profiles...
Some people aren't used to completing forms or paperwork.
Some people are stressed and busy and make mistakes.
Some people are human. |
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"we don’t even know this person left the country!!!!"
exactly. if they knew wether or not they left the country then that would indicate that they have control of the border. but, they don't know and that's not controlling your borders. |
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"we don’t even know this person left the country!!!!
exactly. if they knew wether or not they left the country then that would indicate that they have control of the border. but, they don't know and that's not controlling your borders."
no its because the test in the lab potentially had nothing at all to do with the border whatsoever
why are the border control responsible now for a hone covid test for someone that has potentially never left the country???? |
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"Some people can't read OPs or forum posts or profiles...
Some people aren't used to completing forms or paperwork.
Some people are stressed and busy and make mistakes.
Some people are human. "
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"what would you have done with that data though? just stored it for the year on the off chance that we might get a positive test one day that someone didn’t fill in?
it would have been a phenomenal amount of extra cost and admin to connect unused tests to people then follow up what went wrong if they dont later flag as used
For a disease that is causing such massive disruption/ loss of life... yeah. Database. This is going to Swing at 123 Example Street, enter designated number for Swing, scan barcode on test. Store data in accordance with other health information. Accessible only under circumstances such as these.
swing you have repeatedly agreed that its a risk vs reward approach that we require and thats what you will be doing yourself when lockdown ends
the risk if this happening was low - yes its happened because the risk wasn’t zero , but the risk that existed wasn’t high enough to warrant the additional expense, time, admin, complications to the testing system at the volume of tests we are completing- the aim was to get tests out to people as quickly as possible and track them on the way back in when they actually mean something - an unused test kit being posted out is just that - an unused test kit
I think the cost would be relatively low, and for a disease of this seriousness the admin would be worth it."
timely and accurate, control and analysis of data is not cheap - especially not at 100s of thousands of new pieces of data a day that so far has been required a grand total of 1 times |
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why are the border control responsible now for a hone covid test for someone that has potentially never left the country???? "
potentailly? why are the border control unsure if the person has entered the country or not if they are in control of it? |
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why are the border control responsible now for a hone covid test for someone that has potentially never left the country????
potentailly? why are the border control unsure if the person has entered the country or not if they are in control of it?"
because you only know if someone crossed the border if you have their identity - at the moment an unidentified test nothing to do with the border belongs to person X - how do border control check if they had a person X cross the border
the have an entire list of who crossed the border but the lab cant provide them with a name to cross check against it |
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"the have an entire list of who crossed the border but the lab cant provide them with a name to cross check against it "
because they have no control.
"we'll let you in but please tell us, scouts honour, you do promise you will get a test done don't you". that's not controlling your borders, instead that is government ineptitude.
nevermind, in 4 months time government lickspittles will change tack and just brush it off as hindsight. |
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"the have an entire list of who crossed the border but the lab cant provide them with a name to cross check against it
because they have no control.
"we'll let you in but please tell us, scouts honour, you do promise you will get a test done don't you". that's not controlling your borders, instead that is government ineptitude.
nevermind, in 4 months time government lickspittles will change tack and just brush it off as hindsight. "
So given that's illegal to give false information or refuse to give information, how do you suggest the border control carry out their role? I'm interested to hear how you'd make sure it is done more efficiently? |
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"very interesting to see that you believe that border control is impossible. why are you convinced of that?"
"More efficiently" isn't the same as "impossible"? Awaiting your more efficient solution. |
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"very interesting to see that you believe that border control is impossible. why are you convinced of that?
"More efficiently" isn't the same as "impossible"? Awaiting your more efficient solution."
i'll let you answer in your own time |
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"very interesting to see that you believe that border control is impossible. why are you convinced of that?
"More efficiently" isn't the same as "impossible"? Awaiting your more efficient solution.
i'll let you answer in your own time"
As per usual, slag off the system while at the same time not having any better ideas |
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"very interesting to see that you believe that border control is impossible. why are you convinced of that?
"More efficiently" isn't the same as "impossible"? Awaiting your more efficient solution.
i'll let you answer in your own time
As per usual, slag off the system while at the same time not having any better ideas "
let us all know when you're ready |
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"very interesting to see that you believe that border control is impossible. why are you convinced of that?
"More efficiently" isn't the same as "impossible"? Awaiting your more efficient solution.
i'll let you answer in your own time
As per usual, slag off the system while at the same time not having any better ideas
let us all know when you're ready"
Ok I'll play your game, I think they've got the system right. If people provide the legally required information it works. The person being sought wasn't required to hotel quarantine, they had to home quarantine and took a test which they failed to correctly supply contact details. That's not the border contols fault.
There you go, now you've shouted about the border control system not working, so it's your turn to explain to us all how you'd make it work better? I'm not holding my breath though. |
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"very interesting to see that you believe that border control is impossible. why are you convinced of that?
"More efficiently" isn't the same as "impossible"? Awaiting your more efficient solution.
i'll let you answer in your own time
As per usual, slag off the system while at the same time not having any better ideas "
he hasn’t even gotten the concept yet that the person sat at home sending a test to a lab has nothing at all to do with the border |
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"very interesting to see that you believe that border control is impossible. why are you convinced of that?
"More efficiently" isn't the same as "impossible"? Awaiting your more efficient solution.
i'll let you answer in your own time
As per usual, slag off the system while at the same time not having any better ideas
he hasn’t even gotten the concept yet that the person sat at home sending a test to a lab has nothing at all to do with the border "
and now the collective bullying starts ... that figures |
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"very interesting to see that you believe that border control is impossible. why are you convinced of that?
"More efficiently" isn't the same as "impossible"? Awaiting your more efficient solution.
i'll let you answer in your own time
As per usual, slag off the system while at the same time not having any better ideas
he hasn’t even gotten the concept yet that the person sat at home sending a test to a lab has nothing at all to do with the border
and now the collective bullying starts ... that figures"
Still waiting |
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"very interesting to see that you believe that border control is impossible. why are you convinced of that?
"More efficiently" isn't the same as "impossible"? Awaiting your more efficient solution.
i'll let you answer in your own time
As per usual, slag off the system while at the same time not having any better ideas
he hasn’t even gotten the concept yet that the person sat at home sending a test to a lab has nothing at all to do with the border
and now the collective bullying starts ... that figures
Still waiting"
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why are the border control responsible now for a hone covid test for someone that has potentially never left the country????
potentailly? why are the border control unsure if the person has entered the country or not if they are in control of it?
because you only know if someone crossed the border if you have their identity - at the moment an unidentified test nothing to do with the border belongs to person X - how do border control check if they had a person X cross the border
the have an entire list of who crossed the border but the lab cant provide them with a name to cross check against it "
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"very interesting to see that you believe that border control is impossible. why are you convinced of that?
"More efficiently" isn't the same as "impossible"? Awaiting your more efficient solution.
i'll let you answer in your own time
As per usual, slag off the system while at the same time not having any better ideas
he hasn’t even gotten the concept yet that the person sat at home sending a test to a lab has nothing at all to do with the border
and now the collective bullying starts ... that figures"
pointing out that you have missed a key fact of the scenario because you are choosing to ignore the multiple times it has been explained on the thread is not bullying |
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By *ik MMan
over a year ago
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"very interesting to see that you believe that border control is impossible. why are you convinced of that?
"More efficiently" isn't the same as "impossible"? Awaiting your more efficient solution.
i'll let you answer in your own time
As per usual, slag off the system while at the same time not having any better ideas
he hasn’t even gotten the concept yet that the person sat at home sending a test to a lab has nothing at all to do with the border
and now the collective bullying starts ... that figures
Still waiting
And waiting..... Yawn!"
I wasn’t aware that answers could be demanded and were time bound on here - maybe I need to check the rules again. Not everyone has the luxury of spending all their day on Fab and commenting on every thread... |
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"very interesting to see that you believe that border control is impossible. why are you convinced of that?
"More efficiently" isn't the same as "impossible"? Awaiting your more efficient solution.
i'll let you answer in your own time
As per usual, slag off the system while at the same time not having any better ideas
he hasn’t even gotten the concept yet that the person sat at home sending a test to a lab has nothing at all to do with the border
and now the collective bullying starts ... that figures
Still waiting
And waiting..... Yawn!
I wasn’t aware that answers could be demanded and were time bound on here - maybe I need to check the rules again. Not everyone has the luxury of spending all their day on Fab and commenting on every thread... "
Point 1) nor was I, but I'm happy to wait.
Point 2) Nor do I, hence there are loads of threads on here I haven't commented on  |
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