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over a year ago
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Unfortunately Boris is getting better at the presentation side. At one time you just knew it was likely to be car crash tv with him saying something inappropriate.
Let’s hope he throws in an obscure Latin phrase.
Still better to watch than some dreary old Soap, Strictly or anything with Ant and Dec. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"PM Boris Johnson to unveil England Lockdown “Cautious “ Exit Plans.
This is going to be an interesting one people.
Stay tuned this afternoon coming live on TV, Radios etc."
He is setting out his plan to Parliament at 15.30 so we will know what to expect before tonight’s announcement |
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"Good Morning Britain this morning has warned that people are going to be disappointed when they hear his plan  "
I think the only people that will be disappointed, are those unrealistically expecting him to say "it's back to normal from tomorrow folks". Most sensible folk know and understand this has got to be done in small steps, with 2 or 3 weeks between steps to give numbers/data time to filter through to assess the effect it's had. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
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"Good Morning Britain this morning has warned that people are going to be disappointed when they hear his plan
I think the only people that will be disappointed, are those unrealistically expecting him to say "it's back to normal from tomorrow folks". Most sensible folk know and understand this has got to be done in small steps, with 2 or 3 weeks between steps to give numbers/data time to filter through to assess the effect it's had."
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By (user no longer on site)
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"PM Boris Johnson to unveil England Lockdown “Cautious “ Exit Plans.
This is going to be an interesting one people.
Stay tuned this afternoon coming live on TV, Radios etc."
Perhaps he has got someone else pregnant |
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By (user no longer on site)
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One look at Tory MPs Twitter feeds makes it clear that this road map is planned carefully to coincide with May's local elections. Taking credit for the vaccine rollout and capitalising on the euphoria of that and a re-opened economy. Just don't mention the 100,000+ dead |
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"One look at Tory MPs Twitter feeds makes it clear that this road map is planned carefully to coincide with May's local elections. Taking credit for the vaccine rollout and capitalising on the euphoria of that and a re-opened economy. Just don't mention the 100,000+ dead "
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Im sorry to say that it's not really that much good news,apart from being able to hold hands with a family member who's in a care home.the announcement details that he will making this evening are already on the BBC news website. |
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"What's the point of even having an announcement when the press have already told us everything he's going to say?
for those people who can't be bothered to read anything?  "
I heard it all on the radio |
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"What's the point of even having an announcement when the press have already told us everything he's going to say?"
So he can answer questions he already knows he will be asked and say a few words in latin. |
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By *ocbigMan
over a year ago
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"PM Boris Johnson to unveil England Lockdown “Cautious “ Exit Plans.
This is going to be an interesting one people.
Stay tuned this afternoon coming live on TV, Radios etc.
Perhaps he has got someone else pregnant"
No change there then.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"What's the point of even having an announcement when the press have already told us everything he's going to say?"
The websites, news outlets etc are making (educated) guesses. Until he presents it to parliament at 3:00pm only about half a dozen people know what's actually in it as far as I understand? |
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By *aekaeWoman
over a year ago
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"Good Morning Britain this morning has warned that people are going to be disappointed when they hear his plan
I think the only people that will be disappointed, are those unrealistically expecting him to say "it's back to normal from tomorrow folks". Most sensible folk know and understand this has got to be done in small steps, with 2 or 3 weeks between steps to give numbers/data time to filter through to assess the effect it's had."
4 step plan, 5 weeks in between stages, full reviews and monitoring between stages before moving to the next one.
Full review in June.
There's a news item on BBC site this morning.
It all sounds reasonable and practical to me. |
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"What's the point of even having an announcement when the press have already told us everything he's going to say?
The websites, news outlets etc are making (educated) guesses. Until he presents it to parliament at 3:00pm only about half a dozen people know what's actually in it as far as I understand?"
They normally leak what's going to happen
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By (user no longer on site)
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I’m super confused as I keep hearing so many who during weekends etc just go about their business anyway? Like parks are already full and I bet it’s not from people in the same households. 
There were some food stands in a park, and a little concert too ..
So .. is this an affirmation of what’s already happening?
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Good Morning Britain this morning has warned that people are going to be disappointed when they hear his plan
I think the only people that will be disappointed, are those unrealistically expecting him to say "it's back to normal from tomorrow folks". Most sensible folk know and understand this has got to be done in small steps, with 2 or 3 weeks between steps to give numbers/data time to filter through to assess the effect it's had."
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I’m super confused as I keep hearing so many who during weekends etc just go about their business anyway? Like parks are already full and I bet it’s not from people in the same households.
There were some food stands in a park, and a little concert too ..
So .. is this an affirmation of what’s already happening?
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like someone said about with nice weather, light nights coming in and any positive sounding words of easing lockdown today, i expect that to get alot worse |
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Some pricks have been meeting throughout but I've definitely seen an increase in "as things are getting better, who's up for a meet" type posts, along with "Vaccinated - meet?" etc. I expect this to get worse as the feel-good factor of nicer weather and carefully orchestrated lockdown easing/good news stories kick in. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Boris has ‘unfortunate’ initials.
I imagine he was teased at school.
At school he was called his first name, Alexander"
I was imagining him popping up saying “did one of you chaps ask for a BJ?” |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Some pricks have been meeting throughout but I've definitely seen an increase in "as things are getting better, who's up for a meet" type posts, along with "Vaccinated - meet?" etc. I expect this to get worse as the feel-good factor of nicer weather and carefully orchestrated lockdown easing/good news stories kick in."
You can see how desperation is seeping in from status updates. Members whose status used to read 'If you're not tall, muscled, 10" or over don't bother messaging me" now reads 'anyone local, bi, cd playing today' |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"PM Boris Johnson to unveil England Lockdown “Cautious “ Exit Plans.
This is going to be an interesting one people.
Stay tuned this afternoon coming live on TV, Radios etc."
I will wait to read it. Cannot watch him stutter and stammer his way through yet another speech. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Some pricks have been meeting throughout but I've definitely seen an increase in "as things are getting better, who's up for a meet" type posts, along with "Vaccinated - meet?" etc. I expect this to get worse as the feel-good factor of nicer weather and carefully orchestrated lockdown easing/good news stories kick in.
You can see how desperation is seeping in from status updates. Members whose status used to read 'If you're not tall, muscled, 10" or over don't bother messaging me" now reads 'anyone local, bi, cd playing today' "
Not on my profile. My wants are exactly as they were before |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
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"What's the point of even having an announcement when the press have already told us everything he's going to say?"
The “leaks” are classic Govt comms strategy to test mood music before announcing anything (or at least have answers prepared for any storm created) |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Some pricks have been meeting throughout but I've definitely seen an increase in "as things are getting better, who's up for a meet" type posts, along with "Vaccinated - meet?" etc. I expect this to get worse as the feel-good factor of nicer weather and carefully orchestrated lockdown easing/good news stories kick in."
I had a guy tell me he was vaccinated. 38 yrsold. I said of course you are and very pleased for you. But I havnt so not meeting |
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"Wonder how long before BJ does a u-turn on something in his “roadmap”
Presumably whatever is laid out will need to be heavily caveated with criteria/targets to hit by certain dates!"
Changing direction due to constantly changing scientific and medical advice is not, doing a U turn. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"What's the point of even having an announcement when the press have already told us everything he's going to say?"
They have told us what he is expected to say but we actually don't know what the plan is we just have an idea. |
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"Oh and sending kid's back to school on the 8th of march "
Which Nadhim Zahawi thinks is 3 weeks after the middle of April. That's not a one-off mistake, he said it in 2 separate interviews this morning.
We're now using time travel to get us out of lockdown. |
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"Wonder how long before BJ does a u-turn on something in his “roadmap”
Presumably whatever is laid out will need to be heavily caveated with criteria/targets to hit by certain dates!
Changing direction due to constantly changing scientific and medical advice is not, doing a U turn."
Exactly I've never understood why people say this.
Christmas was a prime example as i don't see that as a u turn, I see that as listening to scientific advice and new evidence. |
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"Oh and sending kid's back to school on the 8th of march
Which Nadhim Zahawi thinks is 3 weeks after the middle of April. That's not a one-off mistake, he said it in 2 separate interviews this morning.
We're now using time travel to get us out of lockdown. "
The Tory Calendar is a new phenomena, not unlike Tory Maths |
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"Wonder how long before BJ does a u-turn on something in his “roadmap”
Presumably whatever is laid out will need to be heavily caveated with criteria/targets to hit by certain dates!
Changing direction due to constantly changing scientific and medical advice is not, doing a U turn.
Exactly I've never understood why people say this.
Christmas was a prime example as i don't see that as a u turn, I see that as listening to scientific advice and new evidence."
Or finally admitting defeat that your previous announcement was utterly irresponsible so having no choice but to furiously back peddle.
I see nothing wrong with changing course, I would rather than than doggedly sticking to something in a "I've started doing I'll finish" fashion. But if you're going to claim you're following the science, actually do it. Don't ignore SAGE, plough ahead with a dangerous plan before having no choice but to pull the plug the last minute. That's not really following the science, is it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Wonder how long before BJ does a u-turn on something in his “roadmap”
Presumably whatever is laid out will need to be heavily caveated with criteria/targets to hit by certain dates!
Changing direction due to constantly changing scientific and medical advice is not, doing a U turn.
Exactly I've never understood why people say this.
Christmas was a prime example as i don't see that as a u turn, I see that as listening to scientific advice and new evidence.
Or finally admitting defeat that your previous announcement was utterly irresponsible so having no choice but to furiously back peddle.
I see nothing wrong with changing course, I would rather than than doggedly sticking to something in a "I've started doing I'll finish" fashion. But if you're going to claim you're following the science, actually do it. Don't ignore SAGE, plough ahead with a dangerous plan before having no choice but to pull the plug the last minute. That's not really following the science, is it."
I am not a supporter of Boris Johnson or this government in fact normally the opposite.
However he cannot win because you've got people on one side saying open up, let me see my family don't criminalise me for wanting to hug my mum, On the other side you've got people calling him a buffoon for not locking down soon enough.
Yes at best the information has been wishy-washy and confusing but let's remember we are all individuals who also need to take responsibility rather than just blame the government all the time. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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His job as PM is not to listen to people's wants but to act in their best interests. SAGE warned against Christmas mixing and stipulated that if it did happen, schools should close for the first 2 weeks of term. He ignore that, went ahead with mixing, back peddled then slapped people with a lockdown except for sending kids back to "perfectly safe" schools FOR ONE DAY, only to then demand they too, close. The scientific advice didn't change overnight, he just thought he could get away with ignoring it until he realised that actually, he couldn't. |
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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago
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We all have an idea of what he's going to say, it's all over the media, it's the fine details we will hear later. Like how are schools going to open, all year groups or staggered etc.
That's all I'm bothered about tbh. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"His job as PM is not to listen to people's wants but to act in their best interests. SAGE warned against Christmas mixing and stipulated that if it did happen, schools should close for the first 2 weeks of term. He ignore that, went ahead with mixing, back peddled then slapped people with a lockdown except for sending kids back to "perfectly safe" schools FOR ONE DAY, only to then demand they too, close. The scientific advice didn't change overnight, he just thought he could get away with ignoring it until he realised that actually, he couldn't."
I'm sorry but you obviously don't understand what being an elected official means, that is exactly about doing what people need and want.
My point was if individuals had stuck to the rules and hadn't bent them and broken them we may not be in this position.
Very easy to hold her hands up and say well it's not our fault it's the government's when actually we all have individual responsibility. |
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"Wonder how long before BJ does a u-turn on something in his “roadmap”
Presumably whatever is laid out will need to be heavily caveated with criteria/targets to hit by certain dates!
Changing direction due to constantly changing scientific and medical advice is not, doing a U turn.
Exactly I've never understood why people say this.
Christmas was a prime example as i don't see that as a u turn, I see that as listening to scientific advice and new evidence."
He completely ignored scientific advice.
He was told to have a circuit break and accused starmer of wanting to cancel Christmas
yet just Disregard it.
He only changed his mind when he literally had no other option
He was told schools were unsafe to open and ignored them.
He opened them for a day then changed his mind
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"His job as PM is not to listen to people's wants but to act in their best interests. SAGE warned against Christmas mixing and stipulated that if it did happen, schools should close for the first 2 weeks of term. He ignore that, went ahead with mixing, back peddled then slapped people with a lockdown except for sending kids back to "perfectly safe" schools FOR ONE DAY, only to then demand they too, close. The scientific advice didn't change overnight, he just thought he could get away with ignoring it until he realised that actually, he couldn't.
I'm sorry but you obviously don't understand what being an elected official means, that is exactly about doing what people need and want.
My point was if individuals had stuck to the rules and hadn't bent them and broken them we may not be in this position.
Very easy to hold her hands up and say well it's not our fault it's the government's when actually we all have individual responsibility."
So everyone who caught covid broke the rules? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"We all have an idea of what he's going to say, it's all over the media, it's the fine details we will hear later. Like how are schools going to open, all year groups or staggered etc.
That's all I'm bothered about tbh. "
That's already been clear that will be no staggered opening there will be a few days to get ready but schools are expected to have all pupil's back by the 8th of March. |
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"His job as PM is not to listen to people's wants but to act in their best interests. SAGE warned against Christmas mixing and stipulated that if it did happen, schools should close for the first 2 weeks of term. He ignore that, went ahead with mixing, back peddled then slapped people with a lockdown except for sending kids back to "perfectly safe" schools FOR ONE DAY, only to then demand they too, close. The scientific advice didn't change overnight, he just thought he could get away with ignoring it until he realised that actually, he couldn't.
I'm sorry but you obviously don't understand what being an elected official means, that is exactly about doing what people need and want.
My point was if individuals had stuck to the rules and hadn't bent them and broken them we may not be in this position.
Very easy to hold her hands up and say well it's not our fault it's the government's when actually we all have individual responsibility.
So everyone who caught covid broke the rules?"
Can you show me where I have ever said that please.
You are quite clearly misunderstanding what I am saying I'm very clearly saying is its all well and good blaming the government but individuals have responsibility. That is not the same as everyone who caught it is to blame. |
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"Wonder how long before BJ does a u-turn on something in his “roadmap”
Presumably whatever is laid out will need to be heavily caveated with criteria/targets to hit by certain dates!
Changing direction due to constantly changing scientific and medical advice is not, doing a U turn.
Exactly I've never understood why people say this.
Christmas was a prime example as i don't see that as a u turn, I see that as listening to scientific advice and new evidence.
He completely ignored scientific advice.
He was told to have a circuit break and accused starmer of wanting to cancel Christmas
yet just Disregard it.
He only changed his mind when he literally had no other option
He was told schools were unsafe to open and ignored them.
He opened them for a day then changed his mind
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what else should be expected of a court jester, but clowning around. |
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"His job as PM is not to listen to people's wants but to act in their best interests. SAGE warned against Christmas mixing and stipulated that if it did happen, schools should close for the first 2 weeks of term. He ignore that, went ahead with mixing, back peddled then slapped people with a lockdown except for sending kids back to "perfectly safe" schools FOR ONE DAY, only to then demand they too, close. The scientific advice didn't change overnight, he just thought he could get away with ignoring it until he realised that actually, he couldn't.
I'm sorry but you obviously don't understand what being an elected official means, that is exactly about doing what people need and want.
My point was if individuals had stuck to the rules and hadn't bent them and broken them we may not be in this position.
Very easy to hold her hands up and say well it's not our fault it's the government's when actually we all have individual responsibility.
So everyone who caught covid broke the rules?
Can you show me where I have ever said that please.
You are quite clearly misunderstanding what I am saying I'm very clearly saying is its all well and good blaming the government but individuals have responsibility. That is not the same as everyone who caught it is to blame. "
The majority of the people do take responsibility |
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"One look at Tory MPs Twitter feeds makes it clear that this road map is planned carefully to coincide with May's local elections. Taking credit for the vaccine rollout and capitalising on the euphoria of that and a re-opened economy. Just don't mention the 100,000+ dead "
That's politics for you |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
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"Wonder how long before BJ does a u-turn on something in his “roadmap”
Presumably whatever is laid out will need to be heavily caveated with criteria/targets to hit by certain dates!
Changing direction due to constantly changing scientific and medical advice is not, doing a U turn."
Nope. The u-turns are well documented. It is a different issue to when new scientific data and advice comes forward.
One example is handling of xmas. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"His job as PM is not to listen to people's wants but to act in their best interests. SAGE warned against Christmas mixing and stipulated that if it did happen, schools should close for the first 2 weeks of term. He ignore that, went ahead with mixing, back peddled then slapped people with a lockdown except for sending kids back to "perfectly safe" schools FOR ONE DAY, only to then demand they too, close. The scientific advice didn't change overnight, he just thought he could get away with ignoring it until he realised that actually, he couldn't.
I'm sorry but you obviously don't understand what being an elected official means, that is exactly about doing what people need and want.
My point was if individuals had stuck to the rules and hadn't bent them and broken them we may not be in this position.
Very easy to hold her hands up and say well it's not our fault it's the government's when actually we all have individual responsibility."
I know exactly what being an elected official is. With an elected democracy, parliamentarians and councillors are elected to act on behalf of people, not as delegates for their wishes. Their job is to see the data and other information that constituents don't and then make decisions based on that information and sound, expert advice. It is not always going to be what we want and different people want different things. His job, with the benefit of all that information, is to do what's right, not necessarily what's popular. His indecision on Christmas and school reopening afterwards was an act of cowardice and incompetence that undoubtedly cost many lives, both directly through Covid transmission and indirectly through increased pressure on the NHS. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
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"Wonder how long before BJ does a u-turn on something in his “roadmap”
Presumably whatever is laid out will need to be heavily caveated with criteria/targets to hit by certain dates!
Changing direction due to constantly changing scientific and medical advice is not, doing a U turn.
Exactly I've never understood why people say this.
Christmas was a prime example as i don't see that as a u turn, I see that as listening to scientific advice and new evidence."
Except it really wasn’t. SAGE had already strongly recommended NOT relaxing over xmas at all. Boris wanted 5 days. He came under further pressure (wasn’t new evidence) and u-turned to one day (still against advice) |
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"I wonder if he'll actually follow the science this time? Most people learn from past mistakes, but he does seem impervious to this. "
The interviews this morning suggested not. Zahawi explicitly said that the schools reopening was linked to the vaccination of all over 50s by the middle of April and timed to be 3 weeks later in March. They have clearly had private discussions where the science supports May and not March and he's got confused this morning, saying things that he wasn't supposed to. |
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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago
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"We all have an idea of what he's going to say, it's all over the media, it's the fine details we will hear later. Like how are schools going to open, all year groups or staggered etc.
That's all I'm bothered about tbh.
That's already been clear that will be no staggered opening there will be a few days to get ready but schools are expected to have all pupil's back by the 8th of March."
Where have you read that? I've not seen anything to suggest that is the case. All schools, yes, but not all pupils. |
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By *aekaeWoman
over a year ago
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"Wonder how long before BJ does a u-turn on something in his “roadmap”
Presumably whatever is laid out will need to be heavily caveated with criteria/targets to hit by certain dates!
Changing direction due to constantly changing scientific and medical advice is not, doing a U turn.
Exactly I've never understood why people say this.
Christmas was a prime example as i don't see that as a u turn, I see that as listening to scientific advice and new evidence.
Or finally admitting defeat that your previous announcement was utterly irresponsible so having no choice but to furiously back peddle.
I see nothing wrong with changing course, I would rather than than doggedly sticking to something in a "I've started doing I'll finish" fashion. But if you're going to claim you're following the science, actually do it. Don't ignore SAGE, plough ahead with a dangerous plan before having no choice but to pull the plug the last minute. That's not really following the science, is it.
I am not a supporter of Boris Johnson or this government in fact normally the opposite.
However he cannot win because you've got people on one side saying open up, let me see my family don't criminalise me for wanting to hug my mum, On the other side you've got people calling him a buffoon for not locking down soon enough.
Yes at best the information has been wishy-washy and confusing but let's remember we are all individuals who also need to take responsibility rather than just blame the government all the time."
Well said.
It's like some people have lost the ability to think for themselves.
If you don't know what the best way to look after yourself and your loved ones is by now there's really no hope.
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
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"His job as PM is not to listen to people's wants but to act in their best interests. SAGE warned against Christmas mixing and stipulated that if it did happen, schools should close for the first 2 weeks of term. He ignore that, went ahead with mixing, back peddled then slapped people with a lockdown except for sending kids back to "perfectly safe" schools FOR ONE DAY, only to then demand they too, close. The scientific advice didn't change overnight, he just thought he could get away with ignoring it until he realised that actually, he couldn't.
I'm sorry but you obviously don't understand what being an elected official means, that is exactly about doing what people need and want.
My point was if individuals had stuck to the rules and hadn't bent them and broken them we may not be in this position.
Very easy to hold her hands up and say well it's not our fault it's the government's when actually we all have individual responsibility.
I know exactly what being an elected official is. With an elected democracy, parliamentarians and councillors are elected to act on behalf of people, not as delegates for their wishes. Their job is to see the data and other information that constituents don't and then make decisions based on that information and sound, expert advice. It is not always going to be what we want and different people want different things. His job, with the benefit of all that information, is to do what's right, not necessarily what's popular. His indecision on Christmas and school reopening afterwards was an act of cowardice and incompetence that undoubtedly cost many lives, both directly through Covid transmission and indirectly through increased pressure on the NHS."
Exactly this
I find it interesting that the three countries who were doing the worst with Covid during 2020 were all led by Populists (USA, Brazil, UK).
Just saying! |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
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"Even if hed had the best response possible and we were the only country to have no cases at all someone would bleat and complain that he could have done better."
I doubt that but you are of course entitled to your opinion  |
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"His job as PM is not to listen to people's wants but to act in their best interests. SAGE warned against Christmas mixing and stipulated that if it did happen, schools should close for the first 2 weeks of term. He ignore that, went ahead with mixing, back peddled then slapped people with a lockdown except for sending kids back to "perfectly safe" schools FOR ONE DAY, only to then demand they too, close. The scientific advice didn't change overnight, he just thought he could get away with ignoring it until he realised that actually, he couldn't.
I'm sorry but you obviously don't understand what being an elected official means, that is exactly about doing what people need and want.
My point was if individuals had stuck to the rules and hadn't bent them and broken them we may not be in this position.
Very easy to hold her hands up and say well it's not our fault it's the government's when actually we all have individual responsibility.
So everyone who caught covid broke the rules?
Can you show me where I have ever said that please.
You are quite clearly misunderstanding what I am saying I'm very clearly saying is its all well and good blaming the government but individuals have responsibility. That is not the same as everyone who caught it is to blame. "
he isn’t misunderstanding at all - he is purposefully extending your comment to come to a conclusion that suits his agenda, ive lost count of the times he has posted the exact same thing no matter how many times people clarify that there will be deaths solely the responsibility of the government, some solely the responsibility of individuals, some a combination and some where people did everything right and just got unlucky against what is in some cases an invisible virus |
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"We all have an idea of what he's going to say, it's all over the media, it's the fine details we will hear later. Like how are schools going to open, all year groups or staggered etc.
That's all I'm bothered about tbh.
That's already been clear that will be no staggered opening there will be a few days to get ready but schools are expected to have all pupil's back by the 8th of March.
Where have you read that? I've not seen anything to suggest that is the case. All schools, yes, but not all pupils."
Its been allover BBC and sky news all morning. |
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"His job as PM is not to listen to people's wants but to act in their best interests. SAGE warned against Christmas mixing and stipulated that if it did happen, schools should close for the first 2 weeks of term. He ignore that, went ahead with mixing, back peddled then slapped people with a lockdown except for sending kids back to "perfectly safe" schools FOR ONE DAY, only to then demand they too, close. The scientific advice didn't change overnight, he just thought he could get away with ignoring it until he realised that actually, he couldn't.
I'm sorry but you obviously don't understand what being an elected official means, that is exactly about doing what people need and want.
My point was if individuals had stuck to the rules and hadn't bent them and broken them we may not be in this position.
Very easy to hold her hands up and say well it's not our fault it's the government's when actually we all have individual responsibility.
I know exactly what being an elected official is. With an elected democracy, parliamentarians and councillors are elected to act on behalf of people, not as delegates for their wishes. Their job is to see the data and other information that constituents don't and then make decisions based on that information and sound, expert advice. It is not always going to be what we want and different people want different things. His job, with the benefit of all that information, is to do what's right, not necessarily what's popular. His indecision on Christmas and school reopening afterwards was an act of cowardice and incompetence that undoubtedly cost many lives, both directly through Covid transmission and indirectly through increased pressure on the NHS.
Exactly this
I find it interesting that the three countries who were doing the worst with Covid during 2020 were all led by Populists (USA, Brazil, UK).
Just saying!"
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"@Lornajo83 is that a leading question
I have my opinion on who voted for them but will keep that to myself. History will judge whether decisions like that proved to be wise/good or bad."
We don't need history to tell us whether it is a good or bad decision we are living it.
Yes the government have made mistakes but I just think it's far too easy for people to blame somebody else. |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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I think the soft news releases that we have had in the last 24 hours have it pretty well nailed down about what is going to happen - there may be one or two curved balls - but mostly I think that we already know.
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
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"@Lornajo83 is that a leading question
I have my opinion on who voted for them but will keep that to myself. History will judge whether decisions like that proved to be wise/good or bad.
We don't need history to tell us whether it is a good or bad decision we are living it.
Yes the government have made mistakes but I just think it's far too easy for people to blame somebody else."
I was talking more broadly than the Covid response but yes we are living through this sadly.
While there are people who point all fingers of blame at one group or another, I would strongly argue that the blame is spread across multiple groups (and I think most people would say the same). The Govt are one of those groups and criticising them does not abdicate responsibility from individuals and their own actions. |
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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago
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"We all have an idea of what he's going to say, it's all over the media, it's the fine details we will hear later. Like how are schools going to open, all year groups or staggered etc.
That's all I'm bothered about tbh.
That's already been clear that will be no staggered opening there will be a few days to get ready but schools are expected to have all pupil's back by the 8th of March.
Where have you read that? I've not seen anything to suggest that is the case. All schools, yes, but not all pupils.
Its been allover BBC and sky news all morning. "
Not quite set in stone, best wait until this evening. Just seen this on the BBC....
Vaccine Minister Nadhim Zahwai has confirmed all schools in England can reopen for all pupils on 8 March.
And "many more millions of test kits" are being sent to schools.
But it is not certain every pupil will go back immediately.
Teachers' unions have called for reopening to be "staggered" to allow for coronavirus testing of pupils and staff.
Further details will be announced in Monday's unlocking plan.
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
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Schools - why not stagger return?
Unless my knowledge is out of date then isn’t the data saying that junior schools do not appear to be a “vector of infection” but senior schools are. So why not have juniors back from 8 March and seniors after Easter holidays? |
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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago
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"Schools - why not stagger return?
Unless my knowledge is out of date then isn’t the data saying that junior schools do not appear to be a “vector of infection” but senior schools are. So why not have juniors back from 8 March and seniors after Easter holidays?"
I'm sure I've read somewhere recently that they think the younger ones are the ones that pick it up and spread it. But who knows? There were a few cases at my kids school, there's over 2000 students so they done really well. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Good Morning Britain this morning has warned that people are going to be disappointed when they hear his plan
I think the only people that will be disappointed, are those unrealistically expecting him to say "it's back to normal from tomorrow folks". Most sensible folk know and understand this has got to be done in small steps, with 2 or 3 weeks between steps to give numbers/data time to filter through to assess the effect it's had."
Better to be safe than sorry...
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"@Lornajo83 is that a leading question
I have my opinion on who voted for them but will keep that to myself. History will judge whether decisions like that proved to be wise/good or bad.
We don't need history to tell us whether it is a good or bad decision we are living it.
Yes the government have made mistakes but I just think it's far too easy for people to blame somebody else.
I was talking more broadly than the Covid response but yes we are living through this sadly.
While there are people who point all fingers of blame at one group or another, I would strongly argue that the blame is spread across multiple groups (and I think most people would say the same). The Govt are one of those groups and criticising them does not abdicate responsibility from individuals and their own actions. "
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"@Lornajo83 is that a leading question
I have my opinion on who voted for them but will keep that to myself. History will judge whether decisions like that proved to be wise/good or bad.
We don't need history to tell us whether it is a good or bad decision we are living it.
Yes the government have made mistakes but I just think it's far too easy for people to blame somebody else.
I was talking more broadly than the Covid response but yes we are living through this sadly.
While there are people who point all fingers of blame at one group or another, I would strongly argue that the blame is spread across multiple groups (and I think most people would say the same). The Govt are one of those groups and criticising them does not abdicate responsibility from individuals and their own actions. "
well there is only one group that caused over 30000 deaths in care homes. In my book that was criminal and it needs, to be addressed ASAP |
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Not exactly cautious when he's opening all schools at once the whole things pointless I won't bother social distancing once they return and may aswel shop with out a mask
My friend that's a teachers school had to close early for half term as there was so many cases
Next the vaccines will be pointless to new stains anyways
He's given in to the pressure of the backbenchers open up the school's get people back to work I sense another lockdown before the end of the year |
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"@Lornajo83 is that a leading question
I have my opinion on who voted for them but will keep that to myself. History will judge whether decisions like that proved to be wise/good or bad.
We don't need history to tell us whether it is a good or bad decision we are living it.
Yes the government have made mistakes but I just think it's far too easy for people to blame somebody else.
I was talking more broadly than the Covid response but yes we are living through this sadly.
While there are people who point all fingers of blame at one group or another, I would strongly argue that the blame is spread across multiple groups (and I think most people would say the same). The Govt are one of those groups and criticising them does not abdicate responsibility from individuals and their own actions. well there is only one group that caused over 30000 deaths in care homes. In my book that was criminal and it needs, to be addressed ASAP "
Would that be the same group who threatened legal action against Greenwich schools if they closed due to a huge Covid spike, only to close them a week later and put the London and Essex into the top tier? Genuis move. |
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"Not exactly cautious when he's opening all schools at once the whole things pointless I won't bother social distancing once they return and may aswel shop with out a mask
My friend that's a teachers school had to close early for half term as there was so many cases
Next the vaccines will be pointless to new stains anyways
He's given in to the pressure of the backbenchers open up the school's get people back to work I sense another lockdown before the end of the year "
i sense one too if people take your attitude of i dont agree with a decision they’ve made so ill just scrap all social distance and mask wearing in protest ... that will show them a self fulfilling prophecy eh ? |
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By *host63Man
over a year ago
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"One look at Tory MPs Twitter feeds makes it clear that this road map is planned carefully to coincide with May's local elections. Taking credit for the vaccine rollout and capitalising on the euphoria of that and a re-opened economy. Just don't mention the 100,000+ dead "
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over a year ago
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"Not exactly cautious when he's opening all schools at once the whole things pointless I won't bother social distancing once they return and may aswel shop with out a mask
My friend that's a teachers school had to close early for half term as there was so many cases
Next the vaccines will be pointless to new stains anyways
He's given in to the pressure of the backbenchers open up the school's get people back to work I sense another lockdown before the end of the year
i sense one too if people take your attitude of i dont agree with a decision they’ve made so ill just scrap all social distance and mask wearing in protest ... that will show them a self fulfilling prophecy eh ? "
I've stuck to all the restrictions for the last year have not even mixed with family been getting deliveries it's annoying when I see people together celebrating birthdays together or blatantly not sticking to it most people haven't I have done it out of respect as I have elderly family members and wouldn't want to put them at risk but if all schools are opening up at once and we have been vaccinated and they work as they should I don't see the point any longer |
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Having 2 kids in a school even if they only stick to there class is 60 kids and there families teachers often move in between classes along with all the kids sibling
Social distancing is then pointless |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
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"@Lornajo83 is that a leading question
I have my opinion on who voted for them but will keep that to myself. History will judge whether decisions like that proved to be wise/good or bad.
We don't need history to tell us whether it is a good or bad decision we are living it.
Yes the government have made mistakes but I just think it's far too easy for people to blame somebody else.
I was talking more broadly than the Covid response but yes we are living through this sadly.
While there are people who point all fingers of blame at one group or another, I would strongly argue that the blame is spread across multiple groups (and I think most people would say the same). The Govt are one of those groups and criticising them does not abdicate responsibility from individuals and their own actions. well there is only one group that caused over 30000 deaths in care homes. In my book that was criminal and it needs, to be addressed ASAP
Would that be the same group who threatened legal action against Greenwich schools if they closed due to a huge Covid spike, only to close them a week later and put the London and Essex into the top tier? Genuis move."
Yep the Govt handling of Covid has been shambolic at best and criminal at worst. It appears the only time they can be decisive is when a Minister or Crony can make some money out of it.
They do seem to be getting the vaccine rollout right. But one has to wonder whether again there is a profit motive involved (for example the Vaccine Minister set up a medical supplies company last summer with wife and sons as shareholders/directors - not yet aware of them being awarded govt contracts yet but then Hancock was ruled as acting unlawfully with not publishing contracts - just saying!)
But it still does not absolve individuals of their responsibilities. The Govt have done a LOT wrong but large chunks of the public have also messed up! |
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The vaccine rollout has been a success as the NHS was tasked delivering it, so it has been under the managements of local primary trust teams, not contracted out to SERCO et al as Test and Trace was. |
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"Not exactly cautious when he's opening all schools at once the whole things pointless I won't bother social distancing once they return and may aswel shop with out a mask
My friend that's a teachers school had to close early for half term as there was so many cases
Next the vaccines will be pointless to new stains anyways
He's given in to the pressure of the backbenchers open up the school's get people back to work I sense another lockdown before the end of the year "
It's like the hokey y. Kids don't social distance, classrooms are too small to social distance, same with corridors and lunch.
The staff in schools will be coming into contact with 200+ kids a day and with no vaccine.
Education minister said on R2 said they will all be vaccinated, well ventilated and air purification.
Seriously it's laughable. With the new strain it's a perfect transition environment. |
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"PM Boris Johnson to unveil England Lockdown “Cautious “ Exit Plans.
This is going to be an interesting one people.
Stay tuned this afternoon coming live on TV, Radios etc."
Will not be wasting my life watching that. |
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By *ocbigMan
over a year ago
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"PM Boris Johnson to unveil England Lockdown “Cautious “ Exit Plans.
This is going to be an interesting one people.
Stay tuned this afternoon coming live on TV, Radios etc.
Will not be wasting my life watching that. "
Nope, can’t bear him bumbling on & on, just the facts & let’s move on. I will get the highlights..or lowlights later...sun is shining now, need to be outside! |
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"Not exactly cautious when he's opening all schools at once the whole things pointless I won't bother social distancing once they return and may aswel shop with out a mask
My friend that's a teachers school had to close early for half term as there was so many cases
Next the vaccines will be pointless to new stains anyways
He's given in to the pressure of the backbenchers open up the school's get people back to work I sense another lockdown before the end of the year
It's like the hokey y. Kids don't social distance, classrooms are too small to social distance, same with corridors and lunch.
The staff in schools will be coming into contact with 200+ kids a day and with no vaccine.
Education minister said on R2 said they will all be vaccinated, well ventilated and air purification.
Seriously it's laughable. With the new strain it's a perfect transition environment. "
They should of staggered it a few weeks in-between years at least it took nearly a year to get online learning up and running to what it is now |
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"Not exactly cautious when he's opening all schools at once the whole things pointless I won't bother social distancing once they return and may aswel shop with out a mask
My friend that's a teachers school had to close early for half term as there was so many cases
Next the vaccines will be pointless to new stains anyways
He's given in to the pressure of the backbenchers open up the school's get people back to work I sense another lockdown before the end of the year
It's like the hokey y. Kids don't social distance, classrooms are too small to social distance, same with corridors and lunch.
The staff in schools will be coming into contact with 200+ kids a day and with no vaccine.
Education minister said on R2 said they will all be vaccinated, well ventilated and air purification.
Seriously it's laughable. With the new strain it's a perfect transition environment.
They should of staggered it a few weeks in-between years at least it took nearly a year to get online learning up and running to what it is now "
A staggered return with testing would be the sensible way to do it. How are school meant to test a whole school population in one go?
They are bending to industry and not following the scientific and common sense recommendations. |
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By *heblackmac OP Man
over a year ago
Ladywell, Lewisham. |
As I’m the OP of this Topic ,I’ve seen the PM Boris Johnson on Public announcement on Locked Down broadcast Live on TV.
Two household or group of up to 6 people will be allowed to mixed indoors from 17th of May the earliest.
Outdoor after school activities sports to be allowed
Scientists advising government warn of another wave of cases if Covid-19 restrictions are lifted to quickly
Tennis’s courts , and other outdoor sports will reopen on the 29th of March
Schools are back to normal on March the 8th
Non Essential shops ie: barber, hair salons etc will be allowed to open on the 12th of April
Ladies , gents this are some of the issues that were discussed on PMs Public Announcement
As we Adults, Swingers etc , we need to talked about this and it is really important . All I’m saying before you do anything,,,,Please think first before you act on it.
Open discussion............ |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I’m staying cautious even after having my first jab. This virus is extremely versatile and clever. Do not believe that humans are the most intelligent life on this planet.! |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
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"The vaccine rollout has been a success as the NHS was tasked delivering it, so it has been under the managements of local primary trust teams, not contracted out to SERCO et al as Test and Trace was."
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By *reyyaMan
over a year ago
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"His job as PM is not to listen to people's wants but to act in their best interests. SAGE warned against Christmas mixing and stipulated that if it did happen, schools should close for the first 2 weeks of term. He ignore that, went ahead with mixing, back peddled then slapped people with a lockdown except for sending kids back to "perfectly safe" schools FOR ONE DAY, only to then demand they too, close. The scientific advice didn't change overnight, he just thought he could get away with ignoring it until he realised that actually, he couldn't.
I'm sorry but you obviously don't understand what being an elected official means, that is exactly about doing what people need and want.
My point was if individuals had stuck to the rules and hadn't bent them and broken them we may not be in this position.
Very easy to hold her hands up and say well it's not our fault it's the government's when actually we all have individual responsibility.
So everyone who caught covid broke the rules?"
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"As I’m the OP of this Topic ,I’ve seen the PM Boris Johnson on Public announcement on Locked Down broadcast Live on TV.
Two household or group of up to 6 people will be allowed to mixed indoors from 17th of May the earliest.
Outdoor after school activities sports to be allowed
Scientists advising government warn of another wave of cases if Covid-19 restrictions are lifted to quickly
Tennis’s courts , and other outdoor sports will reopen on the 29th of March
Schools are back to normal on March the 8th
Non Essential shops ie: barber, hair salons etc will be allowed to open on the 12th of April
Ladies , gents this are some of the issues that were discussed on PMs Public Announcement
As we Adults, Swingers etc , we need to talked about this and it is really important . All I’m saying before you do anything,,,,Please think first before you act on it.
Open discussion............"
Well op. The thing is you mention the word adult. And that it is important. And it is.andyou'd think being on an over 18s website we would be halfway there. But reading this thread, seriously it's like a bunch of primary schoolkids have written it, most are simply childish insults. Guess what? There is no magic wand and our timetable is largely governed by our chosen behaviour. |
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By *reyyaMan
over a year ago
North Yorkshire |
"As I’m the OP of this Topic ,I’ve seen the PM Boris Johnson on Public announcement on Locked Down broadcast Live on TV.
Two household or group of up to 6 people will be allowed to mixed indoors from 17th of May the earliest.
Outdoor after school activities sports to be allowed
Scientists advising government warn of another wave of cases if Covid-19 restrictions are lifted to quickly
Tennis’s courts , and other outdoor sports will reopen on the 29th of March
Schools are back to normal on March the 8th
Non Essential shops ie: barber, hair salons etc will be allowed to open on the 12th of April
Ladies , gents this are some of the issues that were discussed on PMs Public Announcement
As we Adults, Swingers etc , we need to talked about this and it is really important . All I’m saying before you do anything,,,,Please think first before you act on it.
Open discussion............
Well op. The thing is you mention the word adult. And that it is important. And it is.andyou'd think being on an over 18s website we would be halfway there. But reading this thread, seriously it's like a bunch of primary schoolkids have written it, most are simply childish insults. Guess what? There is no magic wand and our timetable is largely governed by our chosen behaviour. "
The Govt mantra seems to be as follows.
Give a dog a good name and he lives up to it...give a dog a bad name...etc. |
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"As I’m the OP of this Topic ,I’ve seen the PM Boris Johnson on Public announcement on Locked Down broadcast Live on TV.
Two household or group of up to 6 people will be allowed to mixed indoors from 17th of May the earliest.
Outdoor after school activities sports to be allowed
Scientists advising government warn of another wave of cases if Covid-19 restrictions are lifted to quickly
Tennis’s courts , and other outdoor sports will reopen on the 29th of March
Schools are back to normal on March the 8th
Non Essential shops ie: barber, hair salons etc will be allowed to open on the 12th of April
Ladies , gents this are some of the issues that were discussed on PMs Public Announcement
As we Adults, Swingers etc , we need to talked about this and it is really important . All I’m saying before you do anything,,,,Please think first before you act on it.
Open discussion............
Well op. The thing is you mention the word adult. And that it is important. And it is.andyou'd think being on an over 18s website we would be halfway there. But reading this thread, seriously it's like a bunch of primary schoolkids have written it, most are simply childish insults. Guess what? There is no magic wand and our timetable is largely governed by our chosen behaviour.
The Govt mantra seems to be as follows.
Give a dog a good name and he lives up to it...give a dog a bad name...etc. "
I'm not sure I understand your metaphor but it's on us to manage our behaviour. We take responsibility for what we do. And we take the consequences. There's a timetable to work to and if we manage the infections we will stick to it. And if we let infections get out of control... The dates change. We surely don't want the dates to change... |
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"His job as PM is not to listen to people's wants but to act in their best interests. SAGE warned against Christmas mixing and stipulated that if it did happen, schools should close for the first 2 weeks of term. He ignore that, went ahead with mixing, back peddled then slapped people with a lockdown except for sending kids back to "perfectly safe" schools FOR ONE DAY, only to then demand they too, close. The scientific advice didn't change overnight, he just thought he could get away with ignoring it until he realised that actually, he couldn't.
I'm sorry but you obviously don't understand what being an elected official means, that is exactly about doing what people need and want.
My point was if individuals had stuck to the rules and hadn't bent them and broken them we may not be in this position.
Very easy to hold her hands up and say well it's not our fault it's the government's when actually we all have individual responsibility.
So everyone who caught covid broke the rules?
Yes... The narrative is if you contract the Covid Disease it is your fault because of your behaviour. "
ive never seen that narrative from anyone
i have seen X was to blame for Y getting sick but in that scenario x and y lived together and x was completely ignoring the rules while y was pretty much shielding so i think it was appropriate |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
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Sadly I have little faith in a significant minority if the great British public. They will fuck it up. Alongside that there WILL be mutations/variants so a lot of variables to impact on the roadmap.
Reports (and documentation) out there saying that again Govt ignoring the scientific advice so...we will see. |
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"His job as PM is not to listen to people's wants but to act in their best interests. SAGE warned against Christmas mixing and stipulated that if it did happen, schools should close for the first 2 weeks of term. He ignore that, went ahead with mixing, back peddled then slapped people with a lockdown except for sending kids back to "perfectly safe" schools FOR ONE DAY, only to then demand they too, close. The scientific advice didn't change overnight, he just thought he could get away with ignoring it until he realised that actually, he couldn't.
I'm sorry but you obviously don't understand what being an elected official means, that is exactly about doing what people need and want.
My point was if individuals had stuck to the rules and hadn't bent them and broken them we may not be in this position.
Very easy to hold her hands up and say well it's not our fault it's the government's when actually we all have individual responsibility.
So everyone who caught covid broke the rules?
Yes... The narrative is if you contract the Covid Disease it is your fault because of your behaviour.
ive never seen that narrative from anyone
i have seen X was to blame for Y getting sick but in that scenario x and y lived together and x was completely ignoring the rules while y was pretty much shielding so i think it was appropriate "
I caught a cold, I caught norovirus, I caught chickenpox, Must be the government's fault. |
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By *reyyaMan
over a year ago
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"On at 7 tonight isn’t it
I’m so looking forward to more tripe"
More psychological games and tricks. Announce you are making an announcement in two weeks. Leak the tripe. Announce what might happen, the carrot. And what will happen if we are naughty. The stick. Lay it all out in usual style. The prize being 21 June, 18 weeks away, nearly half a year. When all locks off. But what we must understand is that it is guaranteed that on 21 June the situation will be exactly as they are today should circumstances require this. |
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"On at 7 tonight isn’t it
I’m so looking forward to more tripe
More psychological games and tricks. Announce you are making an announcement in two weeks. Leak the tripe. Announce what might happen, the carrot. And what will happen if we are naughty. The stick. Lay it all out in usual style. The prize being 21 June, 18 weeks away, nearly half a year. When all locks off. But what we must understand is that it is guaranteed that on 21 June the situation will be exactly as they are today should circumstances require this. "
That's a view... I'm intrigued though... Do you think theres a version of a plan that does not have a dependency on how we... The people who are spreading the infection and who are being affected by it.. Behave? Or a version that ignores the trajectory of the disease in our community. I mean I get that some people (most on here it would seem) have trouble with this govt... And I'm certainly not defending them...but I'm intrigued by the thought that we might have a plan that has no contingencies and dependencies in such a complex situation and wonder how it might be better communicated such that people went... "OK... That's the plan..let's get behind it and get out of this place". |
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By *reyyaMan
over a year ago
North Yorkshire |
"PM Boris Johnson to unveil England Lockdown “Cautious “ Exit Plans.
This is going to be an interesting one people.
Stay tuned this afternoon coming live on TV, Radios etc."
Cautious is the middle name of Mr Johnson, Prime Minister.
He always looks like he never knows if the last orders he has just received are about to be countermanded. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Unfortunately Boris is getting better at the presentation side. At one time you just knew it was likely to be car crash tv with him saying something inappropriate.
Let’s hope he throws in an obscure Latin phrase.
Still better to watch than some dreary old Soap, Strictly or anything with Ant and Dec."
exactly this. |
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"His job as PM is not to listen to people's wants but to act in their best interests. SAGE warned against Christmas mixing and stipulated that if it did happen, schools should close for the first 2 weeks of term. He ignore that, went ahead with mixing, back peddled then slapped people with a lockdown except for sending kids back to "perfectly safe" schools FOR ONE DAY, only to then demand they too, close. The scientific advice didn't change overnight, he just thought he could get away with ignoring it until he realised that actually, he couldn't.
I'm sorry but you obviously don't understand what being an elected official means, that is exactly about doing what people need and want.
My point was if individuals had stuck to the rules and hadn't bent them and broken them we may not be in this position.
Very easy to hold her hands up and say well it's not our fault it's the government's when actually we all have individual responsibility.
So everyone who caught covid broke the rules?
Yes... The narrative is if you contract the Covid Disease it is your fault because of your behaviour.
ive never seen that narrative from anyone
i have seen X was to blame for Y getting sick but in that scenario x and y lived together and x was completely ignoring the rules while y was pretty much shielding so i think it was appropriate "
If I I'm right about who X and Y are in this scenario, yes, you're right that the blaming is fully justified |
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By *reyyaMan
over a year ago
North Yorkshire |
"On at 7 tonight isn’t it
I’m so looking forward to more tripe
More psychological games and tricks. Announce you are making an announcement in two weeks. Leak the tripe. Announce what might happen, the carrot. And what will happen if we are naughty. The stick. Lay it all out in usual style. The prize being 21 June, 18 weeks away, nearly half a year. When all locks off. But what we must understand is that it is guaranteed that on 21 June the situation will be exactly as they are today should circumstances require this.
That's a view... I'm intrigued though... Do you think theres a version of a plan that does not have a dependency on how we... The people who are spreading the infection and who are being affected by it.. Behave? Or a version that ignores the trajectory of the disease in our community. I mean I get that some people (most on here it would seem) have trouble with this govt... And I'm certainly not defending them...but I'm intrigued by the thought that we might have a plan that has no contingencies and dependencies in such a complex situation and wonder how it might be better communicated such that people went... "OK... That's the plan..let's get behind it and get out of this place". "
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Not so much a plan as a flexible framework. The people will find it difficult to revolt if they so desire to as they gave no solid clearly defined enemy in their sights. By making it apparently against the law to talk to anybody, enter each other's residences, approach closer than two metres, close pubs, traditional meeting places for dissenters it makes it almost impossible for the people to plot and plan. A check is easily made to gauge the effect of the fear and hopelessness propaganda campaign by checking street cameras throughout the country to see how well the mask campaign is going and also the social distancing. So the loose framework could be described as keeping them on the back foot. Coming down heavily should it look like they may gain any slight advantage such as the weekend protest marches. |
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"On at 7 tonight isn’t it
I’m so looking forward to more tripe
More psychological games and tricks. Announce you are making an announcement in two weeks. Leak the tripe. Announce what might happen, the carrot. And what will happen if we are naughty. The stick. Lay it all out in usual style. The prize being 21 June, 18 weeks away, nearly half a year. When all locks off. But what we must understand is that it is guaranteed that on 21 June the situation will be exactly as they are today should circumstances require this.
That's a view... I'm intrigued though... Do you think theres a version of a plan that does not have a dependency on how we... The people who are spreading the infection and who are being affected by it.. Behave? Or a version that ignores the trajectory of the disease in our community. I mean I get that some people (most on here it would seem) have trouble with this govt... And I'm certainly not defending them...but I'm intrigued by the thought that we might have a plan that has no contingencies and dependencies in such a complex situation and wonder how it might be better communicated such that people went... "OK... That's the plan..let's get behind it and get out of this place". .
Not so much a plan as a flexible framework. The people will find it difficult to revolt if they so desire to as they gave no solid clearly defined enemy in their sights. By making it apparently against the law to talk to anybody, enter each other's residences, approach closer than two metres, close pubs, traditional meeting places for dissenters it makes it almost impossible for the people to plot and plan. A check is easily made to gauge the effect of the fear and hopelessness propaganda campaign by checking street cameras throughout the country to see how well the mask campaign is going and also the social distancing. So the loose framework could be described as keeping them on the back foot. Coming down heavily should it look like they may gain any slight advantage such as the weekend protest marches. "
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"What's the point of even having an announcement when the press have already told us everything he's going to say? for those people who can't be bothered to read anything? "
Because the press can't be trusted to give the right information. |
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By *ocbigMan
over a year ago
Birmingham |
"What's the point of even having an announcement when the press have already told us everything he's going to say? for those people who can't be bothered to read anything?
Because the press can't be trusted to give the right information. "
...and the entirely trustworthy, never caught in a lie PM can be? |
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