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By *arohero OP Man
over a year ago
Immingham |
This is the question, as many as over 30% of the UK's adult population have already had the jab (these being high at risk elderly and key workers) for those who don't want the jab surely we have already fixed the situation with anyone concerned about their health (or being scared or bullied into it) having already had the vaccine then they should now be safe from those who haven't had the vaccine? There is already talk of a 3rd and 4th jab so I'm thinking this will be never ending and after the 42nd jab no one still won't be allowed out? If the vaccine works and already over 30% have had it then they are now safe and should be allowed out and those who haven't had it shouldn't be any threat to them even if they have covid? |
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It's an interesting theory however the numbers of those hospitalised and who have sadly died during this third lockdown are in higher numbers in the lower age groups which the scientific community put down to the new varients..
The longer the virus lingers in society the more it learns and mutated, so it's inevitable that for a few years we will be playing catch up vaccination wise ..
With current infection rates in excess of 10,000 daily after what eight weeks, to open up now would mean by April we would fully lockdown again..
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The more people are vaccinated, and the quicker it happens, the less mutation opportunities there will be. It's simple really.
Also the whole concept that ANYONE wants us to stay in lockdown for any longer than is absolutely necessary is quite frankly delusional.
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The best vaccine is the 1 you get, for the benefit of everyone. We get 1 flu jab a year and that's potentially the same for this virus. It's not a particularly difficult issue, spending a few minutes a year to strengthen health and the economy, as those who cannot be vaccinated need as many of those who can, to have it to help to support them.
Talk of quadrillions of vaccines you’ll take to cope with changes is just nonsense. Once the first year is over, you'll likely get an annual booster. Stick with reality, rather than let your imagination run riot, because you don't want to do the sensible thing and thus exaggerate and catastrophise, to try to get around the really simple step that millions of other people have and just had the jab. It's really sensible and simple to decide upon.
Why make things needlessly complicated, difficult and dangerous
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To stop trasmition the numbers need to be way lower. vaccines Will only stop some getting very sick. But the real problem is when we mix it is transmited lifting redticshions will mean more people mixing. |
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"The best vaccine is the 1 you get, for the benefit of everyone. We get 1 flu jab a year and that's potentially the same for this virus. It's not a particularly difficult issue, spending a few minutes a year to strengthen health and the economy, as those who cannot be vaccinated need as many of those who can, to have it to help to support them.
Talk of quadrillions of vaccines you’ll take to cope with changes is just nonsense. Once the first year is over, you'll likely get an annual booster. Stick with reality, rather than let your imagination run riot, because you don't want to do the sensible thing and thus exaggerate and catastrophise, to try to get around the really simple step that millions of other people have and just had the jab. It's really sensible and simple to decide upon.
Why make things needlessly complicated, difficult and dangerous
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Someone I know who has had their first vaccination is currently in hospital with covid and receiving oxygen.
Let's just take it steady."
So its that good he still hospitalised. The jabs are not as effective as they are letting in i think. |
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By *oanneaWoman
over a year ago
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"Why would anyone not want to get a vaccination that keeps there families, frinds and themselves safe from a virus that has already killed over 100,000 people I just don't understand it  "
Because you can still catch it after having the vaccine, it’s not a case of oh I’m vaccinated I can do what I like, still have to social distance etc, I’ve had the vaccine and caught covid after |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Why would anyone not want to get a vaccination that keeps there families, frinds and themselves safe from a virus that has already killed over 100,000 people I just don't understand it "
Or maybe they believe the vaccine is nowhere near as effective as we are being lead to believe. |
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"Why would anyone not want to get a vaccination that keeps there families, frinds and themselves safe from a virus that has already killed over 100,000 people I just don't understand it
Because you can still catch it after having the vaccine, it’s not a case of oh I’m vaccinated I can do what I like, still have to social distance etc, I’ve had the vaccine and caught covid after "
But if the consequences of catching it are diminished why would you not get it if you can..? |
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"Why would anyone not want to get a vaccination that keeps there families, frinds and themselves safe from a virus that has already killed over 100,000 people I just don't understand it
Or maybe they believe the vaccine is nowhere near as effective as we are being lead to believe. "
Why would anyone think that, it's just madness they have done tests and its 90/95% affective, |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"Why would anyone not want to get a vaccination that keeps there families, frinds and themselves safe from a virus that has already killed over 100,000 people I just don't understand it
Or maybe they believe the vaccine is nowhere near as effective as we are being lead to believe.
Why would anyone think that, it's just madness they have done tests and its 90/95% affective, "
Just playing devils advocate here as not done the maths but...
What is the current % of people who are contracting Covid who end up in hospital (ie seriously ill)?
Of those what % end up in ICU (ie very seriously ill)?
Of those what % end up dead?
While the death rate IS horrific and we don’t yet know enough about impact of Long Covid, the fact remains that the vast majority of people fo not get seriously ill.
Amongst those who are therefore much lower risk are people who are Vaccine Hesitant and are wondering why THEY need to have the vaccine?
If (and currently we fo not know for certain) so IF the vaccines also reduce transmission, then the moral question comes into play about protecting others.
However, if the vaccines only help protect the recipient from developing serious illness but you are already in a group very unlikely to develop a serious illness anyway - then those people might ask why they need it?
As per the stick and carrot thread, better communications is needed to explain things like this. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"I don’t see why people make such a big deal of not having the jab. Simply don’t have it.  "
It isn’t the ones who are hesitant about having it making the noise, it is all the people shouting at them telling them they are stupid and must have it or else! |
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"I don’t see why people make such a big deal of not having the jab. Simply don’t have it. "
well said, I know that when I'm sent for I will be having it, need to get as near to normal life back as possible |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I don’t see why people make such a big deal of not having the jab. Simply don’t have it.
It isn’t the ones who are hesitant about having it making the noise, it is all the people shouting at them telling them they are stupid and must have it or else!"
Who is saying you must have it or else! I think you find that these people want all rights to say I'm not having it but then get upset when the possible consequences are pointed out.
Yes everybody has a right to choose but yes everybody has a right to disagree with that choice.
Our choices do have implications for others whether we like it or not. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"I don’t see why people make such a big deal of not having the jab. Simply don’t have it.
It isn’t the ones who are hesitant about having it making the noise, it is all the people shouting at them telling them they are stupid and must have it or else!
Who is saying you must have it or else! I think you find that these people want all rights to say I'm not having it but then get upset when the possible consequences are pointed out.
Yes everybody has a right to choose but yes everybody has a right to disagree with that choice.
Our choices do have implications for others whether we like it or not. "
A simple scroll around some of these forums will show that some people believe anyone who is hesitant is stupid and wrong. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I don’t see why people make such a big deal of not having the jab. Simply don’t have it.
It isn’t the ones who are hesitant about having it making the noise, it is all the people shouting at them telling them they are stupid and must have it or else!
Who is saying you must have it or else! I think you find that these people want all rights to say I'm not having it but then get upset when the possible consequences are pointed out.
Yes everybody has a right to choose but yes everybody has a right to disagree with that choice.
Our choices do have implications for others whether we like it or not.
A simple scroll around some of these forums will show that some people believe anyone who is hesitant is stupid and wrong."
I haven't seen that attitude against people that are genuinely hesitant, I have seen that attitude against people that have been shouting about the fact they have a choice not to take it then have a go at people who disagree with that choice. |
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"The more people are vaccinated, and the quicker it happens, the less mutation opportunities there will be. It's simple really.
Also the whole concept that ANYONE wants us to stay in lockdown for any longer than is absolutely necessary is quite frankly delusional.
Cal"
This .... |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"I don’t see why people make such a big deal of not having the jab. Simply don’t have it.
It isn’t the ones who are hesitant about having it making the noise, it is all the people shouting at them telling them they are stupid and must have it or else!
Who is saying you must have it or else! I think you find that these people want all rights to say I'm not having it but then get upset when the possible consequences are pointed out.
Yes everybody has a right to choose but yes everybody has a right to disagree with that choice.
Our choices do have implications for others whether we like it or not.
A simple scroll around some of these forums will show that some people believe anyone who is hesitant is stupid and wrong.
I haven't seen that attitude against people that are genuinely hesitant, I have seen that attitude against people that have been shouting about the fact they have a choice not to take it then have a go at people who disagree with that choice. "
We will have to agree to disagree. It is against forum rules to name people (or implicit bad mouthing) but I have definitely seen it. There has also been a trend to lump the Hesitant in with the Antis which is far from helpful. It is also sometimes subtle where instead of replying to a specific post they instead just post a statement that is clearly critical of a mindset and aimed at others if you are following the specific thread/discussion but has deniability. |
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"It's an interesting theory however the numbers of those hospitalised and who have sadly died during this third lockdown are in higher numbers in the lower age groups which the scientific community put down to the new varients..
The longer the virus lingers in society the more it learns and mutated, so it's inevitable that for a few years we will be playing catch up vaccination wise ..
With current infection rates in excess of 10,000 daily after what eight weeks, to open up now would mean by April we would fully lockdown again..
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I was going to say the same thing. If we cast our minds back nearly a year... We were horrified when infections were more than 1000 per day. And so locked down. Now they are over 12k per day and we are discussing opening up. Have we learned nothing?
Of bigger concern. As you've said is the huge community infection numbers which are invitations to mutation and variants that we are playing Russian roulette with. |
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"Why would anyone not want to get a vaccination that keeps there families, frinds and themselves safe from a virus that has already killed over 100,000 people I just don't understand it
Or maybe they believe the vaccine is nowhere near as effective as we are being lead to believe. "
You do understand that we have been told all along that it doesn't prevent you from getting it? I mean at no point has anyone ever said or inferred it would prevent you catching it.
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"Why would anyone not want to get a vaccination that keeps there families, frinds and themselves safe from a virus that has already killed over 100,000 people I just don't understand it
Or maybe they believe the vaccine is nowhere near as effective as we are being lead to believe.
Why would anyone think that, it's just madness they have done tests and its 90/95% affective,
Just playing devils advocate here as not done the maths but...
What is the current % of people who are contracting Covid who end up in hospital (ie seriously ill)?
Of those what % end up in ICU (ie very seriously ill)?
Of those what % end up dead?
While the death rate IS horrific and we don’t yet know enough about impact of Long Covid, the fact remains that the vast majority of people fo not get seriously ill.
Amongst those who are therefore much lower risk are people who are Vaccine Hesitant and are wondering why THEY need to have the vaccine?
If (and currently we fo not know for certain) so IF the vaccines also reduce transmission, then the moral question comes into play about protecting others.
However, if the vaccines only help protect the recipient from developing serious illness but you are already in a group very unlikely to develop a serious illness anyway - then those people might ask why they need it?
As per the stick and carrot thread, better communications is needed to explain things like this."
You need to also factor in long covid... Its not as simple as death or recover. Also you need to factor in the nhs costs and resources consumed by treating covid which would otherwise be treating other illnesses... Cancer being one of them, but I'm sure there are many other procedures that have been cancelled this last year due to covid being front and centre of everything in the nhs. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"Why would anyone not want to get a vaccination that keeps there families, frinds and themselves safe from a virus that has already killed over 100,000 people I just don't understand it
Or maybe they believe the vaccine is nowhere near as effective as we are being lead to believe.
Why would anyone think that, it's just madness they have done tests and its 90/95% affective,
Just playing devils advocate here as not done the maths but...
What is the current % of people who are contracting Covid who end up in hospital (ie seriously ill)?
Of those what % end up in ICU (ie very seriously ill)?
Of those what % end up dead?
While the death rate IS horrific and we don’t yet know enough about impact of Long Covid, the fact remains that the vast majority of people fo not get seriously ill.
Amongst those who are therefore much lower risk are people who are Vaccine Hesitant and are wondering why THEY need to have the vaccine?
If (and currently we fo not know for certain) so IF the vaccines also reduce transmission, then the moral question comes into play about protecting others.
However, if the vaccines only help protect the recipient from developing serious illness but you are already in a group very unlikely to develop a serious illness anyway - then those people might ask why they need it?
As per the stick and carrot thread, better communications is needed to explain things like this.
You need to also factor in long covid... Its not as simple as death or recover. Also you need to factor in the nhs costs and resources consumed by treating covid which would otherwise be treating other illnesses... Cancer being one of them, but I'm sure there are many other procedures that have been cancelled this last year due to covid being front and centre of everything in the nhs. "
Totally agree on long covid. We simply do not know enough (too soon).
The point on NHS cost though ignores the points I was putting forward above. It is by some margin the vulnerable groups who are hospitalised (not exclusively but a significantly higher proportion). So if they are vaccinated the pressure is substantially reduced. |
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Just a bit more "data" for this discussion. I was at my mother's funeral this week. We had 25 people there, she was killed by covid pneumonia. We would have had 27 but that couple had their vaccine 3 weeks ago and one of them is extremely poorly either with side effects or covid or both or possibly but unlikely another respiratory illness. Has been unable to get a test.
Of the 25...2 have had a jab so far. 5 have had Covid. They were 20, 28, 28, 36 and 40 years of age. One had it last oct , had competed as a junior international athlete and still can't jog yet. One had it last May and has not recovered sense of smell yet but is otherwise fine. Two had it 4 weeks ago and one of them is poorly but recovering well and his wife had it and had barely any symptoms at all and seems fine. Why am I telling you this? Because I think if people can go about their lives and dodge the bullet, good luck to them. If they can catch it and are either asymptomatic or recover quickly that is brilliant as most do. But for some it's got some very nasty and severe consequences.which can be very long lasting. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
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"Just a bit more "data" for this discussion. I was at my mother's funeral this week. We had 25 people there, she was killed by covid pneumonia. We would have had 27 but that couple had their vaccine 3 weeks ago and one of them is extremely poorly either with side effects or covid or both or possibly but unlikely another respiratory illness. Has been unable to get a test.
Of the 25...2 have had a jab so far. 5 have had Covid. They were 20, 28, 28, 36 and 40 years of age. One had it last oct , had competed as a junior international athlete and still can't jog yet. One had it last May and has not recovered sense of smell yet but is otherwise fine. Two had it 4 weeks ago and one of them is poorly but recovering well and his wife had it and had barely any symptoms at all and seems fine. Why am I telling you this? Because I think if people can go about their lives and dodge the bullet, good luck to them. If they can catch it and are either asymptomatic or recover quickly that is brilliant as most do. But for some it's got some very nasty and severe consequences.which can be very long lasting. "
Indeed and the sooner some serious studies get underway into those who get ill but don’t die the better.
Understandably everyone has been very focused in death rates. But we may have a whole other long term health crises in the making.
This needs to be talked about more. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Someone I know who has had their first vaccination is currently in hospital with covid and receiving oxygen.
Let's just take it steady."
They would be incredibly unlucky then and would have had Covid in system before the jab. |
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Reading this thread and others, what I am taking away from it is, quite a few people don't want to take the vaccine but want to benefit from others taking it.
Or am I just getting cynical in my old age? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Reading this thread and others, what I am taking away from it is, quite a few people don't want to take the vaccine but want to benefit from others taking it.
Or am I just getting cynical in my old age?"
I have you as being right.. those who dont want to take it are relying on those who do get it to have fun.. take the bloody vaccine. All for the greater good. If they told you no vaccine no club entry, no holidays you would.. |
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"Reading this thread and others, what I am taking away from it is, quite a few people don't want to take the vaccine but want to benefit from others taking it.
Or am I just getting cynical in my old age?"
Yep loads of self entitled people wanting everyone else to do things to help them out with not a thought for anyone but themselves, and always the first to complain when things don't go there way  |
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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago
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"Reading this thread and others, what I am taking away from it is, quite a few people don't want to take the vaccine but want to benefit from others taking it.
Or am I just getting cynical in my old age?
Yep loads of self entitled people wanting everyone else to do things to help them out with not a thought for anyone but themselves, and always the first to complain when things don't go there way "
And it's the same ones over and over again.
You'd think they'd learn. 
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However, if the vaccines only help protect the recipient from developing serious illness but you are already in a group very unlikely to develop a serious illness anyway - then those people might ask why they need it?. "
Would love for someone to answer this please.
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By (user no longer on site)
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However, if the vaccines only help protect the recipient from developing serious illness but you are already in a group very unlikely to develop a serious illness anyway - then those people might ask why they need it?.
Would love for someone to answer this please.
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The vaccine reduces transmission by 67% so it helps stop the spread.
Healthy people have died.
Long Covid.
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By (user no longer on site)
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However, if the vaccines only help protect the recipient from developing serious illness but you are already in a group very unlikely to develop a serious illness anyway - then those people might ask why they need it?.
Would love for someone to answer this please.
The vaccine reduces transmission by 67% so it helps stop the spread.
Healthy people have died.
Long Covid.
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Also, if too many don't get vaccine and Covid is left to spread, it can mutate as it has been.
But to more deadly variants. |
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By *yphodMan
over a year ago
London |
I will absolutely get the vaccine, just like I get the annual flu jab.
You can still get the flu if you have the jab it just reduces the chance of you getting it.
Just like the pill, it is only 99% effective.
The more people who can fight it due to a vaccine the less likely it is to mutate.
If you don't have the vaccine are are lucky for it not to have an effect it is still living/multiplying and mutating inside you, ready to strike somebody else who for whatever genuine reason cannot take it.
I know of plenty of people on immunosuppressive drugs who would likely die if they got Covid even the flu is a risk and they have not left home in a year. It's not just about self protection it's about protecting others. |
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By *asilForty77Man
over a year ago
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I don't believe a word this government says figure fixing is just a start of their shady narrative Im not saying their is no virus is just don't believe it is as bad as they are saying a lot of smoke and mirrors imo.so it's a no from me to a jab. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I don't believe a word this government says figure fixing is just a start of their shady narrative Im not saying their is no virus is just don't believe it is as bad as they are saying a lot of smoke and mirrors imo.so it's a no from me to a jab."
How exactly does the government do "figure fixing" on ONS excess death data? |
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By *ocbigMan
over a year ago
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"I don't believe a word this government says figure fixing is just a start of their shady narrative Im not saying their is no virus is just don't believe it is as bad as they are saying a lot of smoke and mirrors imo.so it's a no from me to a jab."
But why would a government make the virus out to be worse than it is? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I don't believe a word this government says figure fixing is just a start of their shady narrative Im not saying their is no virus is just don't believe it is as bad as they are saying a lot of smoke and mirrors imo.so it's a no from me to a jab.
How exactly does the government do "figure fixing" on ONS excess death data?"
The weekly death figures for January 2021 are:
17751, 18042, 18676, 18448 for the first 4 weeks.
For 2020 those same weeks were,
12254, 14058, 12990, 11856.
So the rates being reported are significantly higher in 2021 than in 2020. Approx 30-40% higher week on week.
That's not the government saying that.
That's the ONS
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"I don't believe a word this government says figure fixing is just a start of their shady narrative Im not saying their is no virus is just don't believe it is as bad as they are saying a lot of smoke and mirrors imo.so it's a no from me to a jab."
So just cos you don't believe the government you are willing to put yourself, frinds, family and others at risk , the virus will get stronger and put us back to square one, no pubs, shops holidays, this is shit and the more people who get the vaccination the quicker we can get back to some sort of normaly, don't we all want that |
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"I don't believe a word this government says figure fixing is just a start of their shady narrative Im not saying their is no virus is just don't believe it is as bad as they are saying a lot of smoke and mirrors imo.so it's a no from me to a jab.
So just cos you don't believe the government you are willing to put yourself, frinds, family and others at risk , the virus will get stronger and put us back to square one, no pubs, shops holidays, this is shit and the more people who get the vaccination the quicker we can get back to some sort of normaly, don't we all want that "
Not of I have to put any effort into it. I'd rather everybody else did it for me please. |
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"I don't believe a word this government says figure fixing is just a start of their shady narrative Im not saying their is no virus is just don't believe it is as bad as they are saying a lot of smoke and mirrors imo.so it's a no from me to a jab."
I don't believe the government either. They're a bunch of buffoons.
But look to the scientists, look to other authorities you trust. Look to the governments of other countries. Why would there be such global unity if this weren't real?
You don't have to trust the government to take this seriously. I take this incredibly seriously and I wouldn't trust the government with 10p. |
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I have had covid in the first week of January,
It was horrible, knocked me for six,
I didn't eat for five days my sleep pattern was all over the place, I was falling asleep sitting in a chair, track and trace was more like track and Harassment, constant phone calls and messages,and then they had the cheek to ask for my blood, I've had another test, all good, I've had the vaccine, my arm and wrist were painful for over a week, still aches now, I would recommend having it,
If I get it again, it won't be as bad as first time round,
Stay safe, |
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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago
The South |
"I don't believe a word this government says figure fixing is just a start of their shady narrative Im not saying their is no virus is just don't believe it is as bad as they are saying a lot of smoke and mirrors imo.so it's a no from me to a jab."
On the face of it you're an intelligent man.
Unfortunately when you start typing the illusion disappears.
Grow up.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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However, if the vaccines only help protect the recipient from developing serious illness but you are already in a group very unlikely to develop a serious illness anyway - then those people might ask why they need it?.
Would love for someone to answer this please.
The vaccine reduces transmission by 67% so it helps stop the spread.
Healthy people have died.
Long Covid.
Actually that is not the full picture. There is some positive evidence that the vaccines MAY prevent transmission but none of the studies are yet conclusive.
Not sure if I will be allowed to paste a link (or partial URL) but...
nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00450-z
Or google search “do covid vaccines reduce transmission” and then go to the Nature website.
It is promising but currently not enough data to be able to make the claim."
My bad.
I saw this, but you are correct.
It says "may" reduce.
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https://news.sky.com/story/oxford-vaccine-may-have-67-effect-on-transmission-and-protection-remains-for-three-month-jab-interval-12206734 |
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By *yphodMan
over a year ago
London |
"I don't believe a word this government says figure fixing is just a start of their shady narrative Im not saying their is no virus is just don't believe it is as bad as they are saying a lot of smoke and mirrors imo.so it's a no from me to a jab."
Why would a conservative government truly and make it out to be worse than in is. Conservative philosophy is small government, high economic output I would have thought they would down play the issue. In fact for economic reasons we went into lockdown too late.
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"Someone I know who has had their first vaccination is currently in hospital with covid and receiving oxygen.
Let's just take it steady."
Begs the question what said person would've been like without the vaccination |
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"I don't believe a word this government says figure fixing is just a start of their shady narrative Im not saying their is no virus is just don't believe it is as bad as they are saying a lot of smoke and mirrors imo.so it's a no from me to a jab.
So just cos you don't believe the government you are willing to put yourself, frinds, family and others at risk , the virus will get stronger and put us back to square one, no pubs, shops holidays, this is shit and the more people who get the vaccination the quicker we can get back to some sort of normaly, don't we all want that
Not of I have to put any effort into it. I'd rather everybody else did it for me please. "
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"I don't believe a word this government says figure fixing is just a start of their shady narrative Im not saying their is no virus is just don't believe it is as bad as they are saying a lot of smoke and mirrors imo.so it's a no from me to a jab.
Why would a conservative government truly and make it out to be worse than in is. Conservative philosophy is small government, high economic output I would have thought they would down play the issue. In fact for economic reasons we went into lockdown too late.
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I think you are mistaking the current Executive (Cabinet Ministers and PM) for being Conservatives! They are NOTHING like the Tory party from the 1980s-2000s. Nothing!
They are a bunch of opportunistic, disaster capitalist, fascist, corrupt thieves.
I do not for one minute think any of them expect to still be in Govt in 2024/5 but are stripping assets and enriching themselves while they can (including passing legislation that will benefit and protect themselves and their cronies now and in future) |
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"I don't believe a word this government says figure fixing is just a start of their shady narrative Im not saying their is no virus is just don't believe it is as bad as they are saying a lot of smoke and mirrors imo.so it's a no from me to a jab.
Why would a conservative government truly and make it out to be worse than in is. Conservative philosophy is small government, high economic output I would have thought they would down play the issue. In fact for economic reasons we went into lockdown too late.
I think you are mistaking the current Executive (Cabinet Ministers and PM) for being Conservatives! They are NOTHING like the Tory party from the 1980s-2000s. Nothing!
They are a bunch of opportunistic, disaster capitalist, fascist, corrupt thieves.
I do not for one minute think any of them expect to still be in Govt in 2024/5 but are stripping assets and enriching themselves while they can (including passing legislation that will benefit and protect themselves and their cronies now and in future)"
finally and add to that they are unencumbered by values, beliefs or any form of traditional political alignment. Not entirely sure it is restricted to UK politics either. |
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I know a nurse who has had both parts of the vaccine (over 2 weeks ago) and told to still self isolate please don't anyone think we will ever go "back to normal" those times have long gone and a mere vax or 3 or 4 won't bring them back. We have to be considerate for those who can't have the vax I personally know someone who can't have any of the vaccines as he will die he is allergic to paracetamol and aspirin he will not be allowed to sniff an armpit of someome who has had the vax for fear of death.
If someone you know is hesitant to have the vaccine reassure them by letting them know there is always tomorrow, next week, next month, next year there isn't a rush (unless you watch bbc news) and if they feel/think it's rushed definitely advise them to wait until next year and again reassure them there's no rush and take your time to research yourself (as we know governments are working with social media groups to force feed you irrelevant information and hide the relevant important factual evidence) and at the end of the day let them know to trust their instinct their gut feeling and to trust how they feel and if still unsure then they are feeling unsure for a reason and they should trust that reason and trust their feelings and whatever happens please be it on their choice and not cos everyone else has had it and says they are fine? |
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Sorry got carried away and forgot what I had to say ha ha
If those people who have had the vaccine are worried about those people who haven't had the vaccine then they are worried that they maybe haven't really had a vaccine as if they have been vaccinated correctly and it will work then anyone who hasn't had the vaccine shouldn't be a problem/issue to them even if they had covid as the vaccine will make sure they won't get it or if they do still get it then only half as bad as if they didn't have the vaccine?
Now if those people who are now vaccinated still insist that everyone be vacvinated then I think those people may feel they made the wrong decision and now know they can't go back on that decision to have the jab so have to save face by hoping everyone else will follow them and if they don't follow them then those people obviously aren't intelligent enough and need the jab forcing upon them x hey only my point of view x
That said please don't anyone ever think just because you've had a jab we can go back to (normal) how we were pre-covid 2019 it's not ever going to happen get over it this is the new normal and it ain't going anywhere x Adriana xx |
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"I know a nurse who has had both parts of the vaccine (over 2 weeks ago) and told to still self isolate please don't anyone think we will ever go "back to normal" those times have long gone and a mere vax or 3 or 4 won't bring them back. We have to be considerate for those who can't have the vax I personally know someone who can't have any of the vaccines as he will die he is allergic to paracetamol and aspirin he will not be allowed to sniff an armpit of someome who has had the vax for fear of death.
If someone you know is hesitant to have the vaccine reassure them by letting them know there is always tomorrow, next week, next month, next year there isn't a rush (unless you watch bbc news) and if they feel/think it's rushed definitely advise them to wait until next year and again reassure them there's no rush and take your time to research yourself (as we know governments are working with social media groups to force feed you irrelevant information and hide the relevant important factual evidence) and at the end of the day let them know to trust their instinct their gut feeling and to trust how they feel and if still unsure then they are feeling unsure for a reason and they should trust that reason and trust their feelings and whatever happens please be it on their choice and not cos everyone else has had it and says they are fine?"
Everyone should get the vaccination who can , what about all the people who have lost there jobs and business becouse of covid, and you are saying let them get it next year or the year after,the UK will be bankrupt by then we need to get the UK up and running the beast way we can, not pussy foot around the anty vac lot |
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We have a choice, however if the government had the balls to ban anyone declining the vaccine unless medically allowed, from say flying off for a holiday, they would fall in to line, maybe |
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"Someone I know who has had their first vaccination is currently in hospital with covid and receiving oxygen.
Let's just take it steady.
So its that good he still hospitalised. The jabs are not as effective as they are letting in i think. "
They take a couple of weeks to have their full effect. |
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I will be having the jab, I think everyone should, but I also respect everyone’s right to refuse. However I think that those that do refuse should face restrictions. If, once we are at a decent level of freedom, the infection rate rises, those who have refused should be subject to further lockdown measures.
We can only defeat this virus, and any mutations, if we all act as one. |
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By *arohero OP Man
over a year ago
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Wow thanks for this I'm guessing there is enough answers here to see that those who want the vaccine are looking forward to it if not already had it and shall have it as soon as possible and those who don't want it probably won't ever have it. As long as everyone feels safe I'm sure all will be fine. Thanks all |
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"I don’t see why people make such a big deal of not having the jab. Simply don’t have it. "
But what happens if YOU then contract the virus not being vaccinated..... and you pass it on to someone else who hasn’t and they end up dying!? And will you expect the NHS to treat you free of charge if you contract it and end up in ICU?
There won’t be many who don’t have the vaccine but those of you are putting your health at risk. Your friends and family will avoid you like the plague ... not to mention the social implications .... travel insurance, your place of work will have a covid policy and a separate one for you as non- vaccinated..... consider the wider implications! |
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"I don’t see why people make such a big deal of not having the jab. Simply don’t have it.
But what happens if YOU then contract the virus not being vaccinated..... and you pass it on to someone else who hasn’t and they end up dying!? And will you expect the NHS to treat you free of charge if you contract it and end up in ICU?
There won’t be many who don’t have the vaccine but those of you are putting your health at risk. Your friends and family will avoid you like the plague ... not to mention the social implications .... travel insurance, your place of work will have a covid policy and a separate one for you as non- vaccinated..... consider the wider implications!"
Given new data on reduction in disease transmission, my concern is herd immunity and the development of new variants. If we all slash our personal risk and potential to spread/ mutate the disease, then we can return to normal and protect those who genuinely can't be vaccinated. |
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"I don’t see why people make such a big deal of not having the jab. Simply don’t have it.
But what happens if YOU then contract the virus not being vaccinated..... and you pass it on to someone else who hasn’t and they end up dying!? And will you expect the NHS to treat you free of charge if you contract it and end up in ICU?
There won’t be many who don’t have the vaccine but those of you are putting your health at risk. Your friends and family will avoid you like the plague ... not to mention the social implications .... travel insurance, your place of work will have a covid policy and a separate one for you as non- vaccinated..... consider the wider implications!
Given new data on reduction in disease transmission, my concern is herd immunity and the development of new variants. If we all slash our personal risk and potential to spread/ mutate the disease, then we can return to normal and protect those who genuinely can't be vaccinated."
Absolutely |
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"I don’t see why people make such a big deal of not having the jab. Simply don’t have it.
But what happens if YOU then contract the virus not being vaccinated..... and you pass it on to someone else who hasn’t and they end up dying!? And will you expect the NHS to treat you free of charge if you contract it and end up in ICU?
There won’t be many who don’t have the vaccine but those of you are putting your health at risk. Your friends and family will avoid you like the plague ... not to mention the social implications .... travel insurance, your place of work will have a covid policy and a separate one for you as non- vaccinated..... consider the wider implications!
Given new data on reduction in disease transmission, my concern is herd immunity and the development of new variants. If we all slash our personal risk and potential to spread/ mutate the disease, then we can return to normal and protect those who genuinely can't be vaccinated."
Plus as you've said previously until the rest of the world vaccinates effectively (or if) we need to get better at managing who we let in or out of our borders to better manage risk of spread. Manage what we can manage as well as we can. |
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"I don’t see why people make such a big deal of not having the jab. Simply don’t have it.
But what happens if YOU then contract the virus not being vaccinated..... and you pass it on to someone else who hasn’t and they end up dying!? And will you expect the NHS to treat you free of charge if you contract it and end up in ICU?
There won’t be many who don’t have the vaccine but those of you are putting your health at risk. Your friends and family will avoid you like the plague ... not to mention the social implications .... travel insurance, your place of work will have a covid policy and a separate one for you as non- vaccinated..... consider the wider implications!
Given new data on reduction in disease transmission, my concern is herd immunity and the development of new variants. If we all slash our personal risk and potential to spread/ mutate the disease, then we can return to normal and protect those who genuinely can't be vaccinated.
Plus as you've said previously until the rest of the world vaccinates effectively (or if) we need to get better at managing who we let in or out of our borders to better manage risk of spread. Manage what we can manage as well as we can."
Definitely. My first thought is my immediate surroundings, but we need to work it out globally. I think this will be a tough climb out. |
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"I don’t see why people make such a big deal of not having the jab. Simply don’t have it.
It isn’t the ones who are hesitant about having it making the noise, it is all the people shouting at them telling them they are stupid and must have it or else!"
oh I'm all for free choice. However I will get vocal when I got told on a public page oh social media that I should be ashamed of myself and charged with murder or at least attempted murder for being a volunteer helping with the vaccine effort.... |
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Tomorrow I go for my first jab and will embrace it with open arms .... well with sleeve rolled up
I am doing it because I want to try to protect myself from COVID and along with following the current protection measures in place, see this as the best option to do so. I also see it as my very small contribution to try to help us all get back to some semblance of normality, again; I see no other way to help us get there.
I simply do not understand those that choose not to have the vaccination. If we all took this stance and no one took the offer of the jab, we would either continue to live in a locked down world or continue with the excessive deaths we see. As it stands those who choose not to have the jab are allowing everyone else to do that for them.
It is gratifying that the number choosing not to have the jab is a minority. As others have said, on the other side of this I am sure that once those who refuse to be vaccinated realise they will be excluded from a significant amount of activity we all want to get back to, they may well thankfully have a change of mind.
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"I don’t see why people make such a big deal of not having the jab. Simply don’t have it.
It isn’t the ones who are hesitant about having it making the noise, it is all the people shouting at them telling them they are stupid and must have it or else! oh I'm all for free choice. However I will get vocal when I got told on a public page oh social media that I should be ashamed of myself and charged with murder or at least attempted murder for being a volunteer helping with the vaccine effort.... "
That's disgusting. I'm sorry |
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"I don’t see why people make such a big deal of not having the jab. Simply don’t have it.
It isn’t the ones who are hesitant about having it making the noise, it is all the people shouting at them telling them they are stupid and must have it or else! oh I'm all for free choice. However I will get vocal when I got told on a public page oh social media that I should be ashamed of myself and charged with murder or at least attempted murder for being a volunteer helping with the vaccine effort.... "
Bloody hell!! How do they make that massive leap??
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We will be both getting vaccinated as soon as we are allowed simply because we don't know how contracting the virus without it may effect us
I've had friends have it with no symptoms and I've had friends had it that are still feeling the effects months after
Nobody is forcing anyone to get vaccinated but the more people who do will help bring an end to this lockdown hell it will help cut deaths and serious effects and also help with stopping more mutations appearing
Not to mention other countries putting restrictions in place when holidays are allowed Greece have already said anyone vaccinated may have access to there countries won't be long before all others follow suit
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"We will be both getting vaccinated as soon as we are allowed simply because we don't know how contracting the virus without it may effect us
I've had friends have it with no symptoms and I've had friends had it that are still feeling the effects months after
Nobody is forcing anyone to get vaccinated but the more people who do will help bring an end to this lockdown hell it will help cut deaths and serious effects and also help with stopping more mutations appearing
Not to mention other countries putting restrictions in place when holidays are allowed Greece have already said anyone vaccinated may have access to there countries won't be long before all others follow suit
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I'm intrigued how the travel police will establish who has or has not been vaccinated and how that may work, have you seen anything on how it will operate? Or is it going to be amazon certificates.? |
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"We will be both getting vaccinated as soon as we are allowed simply because we don't know how contracting the virus without it may effect us
I've had friends have it with no symptoms and I've had friends had it that are still feeling the effects months after
Nobody is forcing anyone to get vaccinated but the more people who do will help bring an end to this lockdown hell it will help cut deaths and serious effects and also help with stopping more mutations appearing
Not to mention other countries putting restrictions in place when holidays are allowed Greece have already said anyone vaccinated may have access to there countries won't be long before all others follow suit
I'm intrigued how the travel police will establish who has or has not been vaccinated and how that may work, have you seen anything on how it will operate? Or is it going to be amazon certificates.? "
As I understand it, there are likely to be 2 types of ‘passport’ a domestic one for use in shops, Gyms, sports venues etc, and a separate international one for travel purposes.
The domestic one may be linked to the COVID app ... with both of them possibly using unique or QR codes.... I can hear all the Big Brother conspiracy theorists just waiting for their turn now!!
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"We will be both getting vaccinated as soon as we are allowed simply because we don't know how contracting the virus without it may effect us
I've had friends have it with no symptoms and I've had friends had it that are still feeling the effects months after
Nobody is forcing anyone to get vaccinated but the more people who do will help bring an end to this lockdown hell it will help cut deaths and serious effects and also help with stopping more mutations appearing
Not to mention other countries putting restrictions in place when holidays are allowed Greece have already said anyone vaccinated may have access to there countries won't be long before all others follow suit
I'm intrigued how the travel police will establish who has or has not been vaccinated and how that may work, have you seen anything on how it will operate? Or is it going to be amazon certificates.?
As I understand it, there are likely to be 2 types of ‘passport’ a domestic one for use in shops, Gyms, sports venues etc, and a separate international one for travel purposes.
The domestic one may be linked to the COVID app ... with both of them possibly using unique or QR codes.... I can hear all the Big Brother conspiracy theorists just waiting for their turn now!!
R x"
I think international ones are pretty certain. Domestic, I think are becoming more likely, but it's not a certainty yet. |
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"We will be both getting vaccinated as soon as we are allowed simply because we don't know how contracting the virus without it may effect us
I've had friends have it with no symptoms and I've had friends had it that are still feeling the effects months after
Nobody is forcing anyone to get vaccinated but the more people who do will help bring an end to this lockdown hell it will help cut deaths and serious effects and also help with stopping more mutations appearing
Not to mention other countries putting restrictions in place when holidays are allowed Greece have already said anyone vaccinated may have access to there countries won't be long before all others follow suit
I'm intrigued how the travel police will establish who has or has not been vaccinated and how that may work, have you seen anything on how it will operate? Or is it going to be amazon certificates.?
As I understand it, there are likely to be 2 types of ‘passport’ a domestic one for use in shops, Gyms, sports venues etc, and a separate international one for travel purposes.
The domestic one may be linked to the COVID app ... with both of them possibly using unique or QR codes.... I can hear all the Big Brother conspiracy theorists just waiting for their turn now!!
R x"
Big brother or not... Our phones are going to become our Id and data portal soon enough anyway... |
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"This is the question, as many as over 30% of the UK's adult population have already had the jab (these being high at risk elderly and key workers) for those who don't want the jab surely we have already fixed the situation with anyone concerned about their health (or being scared or bullied into it) having already had the vaccine then they should now be safe from those who haven't had the vaccine? There is already talk of a 3rd and 4th jab so I'm thinking this will be never ending and after the 42nd jab no one still won't be allowed out? If the vaccine works and already over 30% have had it then they are now safe and should be allowed out and those who haven't had it shouldn't be any threat to them even if they have covid?"
Are you a Scientist or physician? Or an Ostrich? |
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If there was a contraceptive vaccine, but after getting it you could still get pregnant... and you still had to wear a condom, would you take it?
Asking for a friend! |
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"If there was a contraceptive vaccine, but after getting it you could still get pregnant... and you still had to wear a condom, would you take it?
Asking for a friend!"
You mean like all contraceptives, none of which are 100%?
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"If there was a contraceptive vaccine, but after getting it you could still get pregnant... and you still had to wear a condom, would you take it?
Asking for a friend!
You mean like all contraceptives, none of which are 100%?
Sure would "
Could I be the little prick you're waiting for
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"If there was a contraceptive vaccine, but after getting it you could still get pregnant... and you still had to wear a condom, would you take it?
Asking for a friend!"
Hahaha, that's a Bill Gates Special isn't it? |
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