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63 backbenchers want rid of restrictions.

By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

The CRG - which was formed in November to oppose a third lockdown and says it has the backing of 63 MPs for its letter - said the prime minister should set out a plan for "a return to normal life" from 8 March, the date pencilled in for school reopening.

"All restrictions remaining after 8 March should be proportionate to the ever-increasing number of people we have protected," the group said - adding that the burden of proof should be on ministers to show restrictions were necessary.

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You have to ask yourself who's making the money out of this and do they have our best interest at heart. Before you all start shouting about deaths and infection numbers PLEASE give me the stats from an alternative unbiased source.

Whatever figures they give out there will be a high percentage of people who will not question them.

I'm not a nonbeliever, or antivaxxer etc I'm just a regular person that has an instinct to question things.

I think it's time we saw a LOT more transparency on the government's actions and publish all statistics.

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

it appears that the sinister groups of lower tier right wing MP's pushing their conspiracy agendas in the background are very busy.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I have to say I do to a degree support this. The costs of lockdown are immense and while I’m sure it has its supporters, many will be running out of life savings or losing their livelihoods as this continues. Blindly ignoring the financial costs of lockdown will hurt us far more in the end.

They may sound a little extreme but I imagine they don’t expect to get what they ask for and are going for a haggling position, expecting to be knocked down to a more realistic position.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

63 backbenchers will not change the lockdown measures....they can make noises but they would need labour behind them, and that's not going to happen Thank fuck.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

I think the "terrified percentage" will sadly empower restrictions well into 2021.

As long as we there's scary stats in the tellybox and vulnerable elderly dying this pandemic will never truly be challenged.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

how long would lockdown have to go on for to really incur irrevocable damage to society and the economy and how long do you think it will take to recover?

my mum is slowly going insane not being able to see my kids and has said she'd rather die than live like this.. dementia is horrible

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think the "terrified percentage" will sadly empower restrictions well into 2021.

As long as we there's scary stats in the tellybox and vulnerable elderly dying this pandemic will never truly be challenged.

Who are the ‘terrified percentage ‘ ?

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

"I think the "terrified percentage" will sadly empower restrictions well into 2021.

As long as we there's scary stats in the tellybox and vulnerable elderly dying this pandemic will never truly be challenged.

Who are the ‘terrified percentage ‘ ? "

the wealth creators ... only they need the plebs back in their work stations to make the wealth for the creators.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Regarding stats...if anyone can provide me with current breakdown of age/underlying conditions stats please do.

I found this but it seemed it was stopped in 2020.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Regarding stats...if anyone can provide me with current breakdown of age/underlying conditions stats please do.

I found this but it seemed it was stopped in 2020."

Why is it relevant

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I think the "terrified percentage" will sadly empower restrictions well into 2021.

As long as we there's scary stats in the tellybox and vulnerable elderly dying this pandemic will never truly be challenged.

Who are the ‘terrified percentage ‘ ? "

The terrified percentage are the population who simply refuse to challenge any official narrative. They immediately attack anyone who questions it and throw pathetic low blows like 'conspiracy nut' or think someone is convinced there's a master plan at work.

They have a black and white approach to life.

"Why would they lie to us, what would they gain"

We have been lied to again and again so man can gain power and wealth FACT.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Regarding stats...if anyone can provide me with current breakdown of age/underlying conditions stats please do.

I found this but it seemed it was stopped in 2020.

Why is it relevant "

It's not relevant to you. I would like to see a breakdown of the figures, so it's relevant to me.

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By *ellhungvweMan over a year ago

Cheltenham

"You have to ask yourself who's making the money out of this and do they have our best interest at heart. "

I don't think you do have to ask who is making money out of this - or at least that should not be the only question that is asked.

I think it is clear that the conservatives have a natural tendency to want people to make their own decisions. It is much more likely that this is a theme within that tradition.

You can argue about whether people are able to make that decision on average - but then the people who do think that others can't be trusted should possibly ponder on what makes them so insightful and whether that is based on reality or an internal bias to think that you are always right. Which is a bias we all have.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Regarding stats...if anyone can provide me with current breakdown of age/underlying conditions stats please do.

I found this but it seemed it was stopped in 2020.

Why is it relevant "

Imagine it’s relevant in terms of who has been vaccinated and how that will reduce deaths.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Regarding stats...if anyone can provide me with current breakdown of age/underlying conditions stats please do.

I found this but it seemed it was stopped in 2020.

Why is it relevant "

And if you have nothing beneficial to contribute why not join another thread. Trying to question my intrigue just shows me hostility that I can only presume us fear based.

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By *-4pleasureCouple over a year ago

Belfast

"I think the "terrified percentage" will sadly empower restrictions well into 2021.

As long as we there's scary stats in the tellybox and vulnerable elderly dying this pandemic will never truly be challenged.

Who are the ‘terrified percentage ‘ ?

They have a black and white approach to life.

"Why would they lie to us, what would they gain"

We have been lied to again and again so man can gain power and wealth FACT.

You typed FACT in block letters - that’s me convinced

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think the "terrified percentage" will sadly empower restrictions well into 2021.

As long as we there's scary stats in the tellybox and vulnerable elderly dying this pandemic will never truly be challenged.

Who are the ‘terrified percentage ‘ ?

They have a black and white approach to life.

"Why would they lie to us, what would they gain"

We have been lied to again and again so man can gain power and wealth FACT.

History is full of governments lying to its people, but this is global. Without mentioning any crack pot conspiracy theories you must have a valid reason that proves that they are all lying

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Regarding stats...if anyone can provide me with current breakdown of age/underlying conditions stats please do.

I found this but it seemed it was stopped in 2020.

Why is it relevant

And if you have nothing beneficial to contribute why not join another thread. Trying to question my intrigue just shows me hostility that I can only presume us fear based."

I can comment on any thread I like , it was a question that you were unable to answer

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

These are the same group who said that the second lockdown wasn’t needed and called for London to move to tier 1 just as the new variant was taking off, so I am not listening to them, they have the deaths of 10 of thousands n their hands and if they had their way it would be a lot worse.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"how long would lockdown have to go on for to really incur irrevocable damage to society and the economy and how long do you think it will take to recover?

my mum is slowly going insane not being able to see my kids and has said she'd rather die than live like this.. dementia is horrible

I think the effects of lockdown will be long lasting.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Deaths are higher in the last 12 mths when compared to the previous 10 years, especially in older age groups. Whether the actually deaths are all attributed to COVID, as the figures get portrayed, is another matter. The likes of Sarah Ramussen are challenging the government on their unethical use of statistics. But this doesn’t change the fact that deaths are higher.

Personal... LD 2 had been the destruction of all entertainment and leisure business. It’s magnified mental health issues and alienated many whilst asking the majority to carry on working. The government has failed on every turn, missed or ignored every warning; whilst the the coffers of ‘friends’ full and families miss funerals and mini vectors carry it home. Heartbreaking. They will continue as we will now see all restrictions lifted with the ‘vaccine is Jesus’ slogan painted across all media #1984flashbacks and herd immunity will start.

Me... I’m done with it. Flu meets pneumonia brigade it is so let’s live with it. Maybe the government should invest in the NHS for long term action #fuckausterity and people can help by taking care of their health.

I’m out... party anyone

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By *ellhungvweMan over a year ago

Cheltenham

"These are the same group who said that the second lockdown wasn’t needed and called for London to move to tier 1 just as the new variant was taking off, so I am not listening to them, they have the deaths of 10 of thousands n their hands and if they had their way it would be a lot worse."

I am curious about how you quantify the deaths that have been caused by lockdown on the other side. Do they not appear in this calculus? Areas I am thinking about are the spike in cancer deaths and other illnesses that have arisen from people not attending hospitals due to lockdown fears. Also curious about your views on the deaths that will occur in the future due to reduced life chances of children at school.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"how long would lockdown have to go on for to really incur irrevocable damage to society and the economy and how long do you think it will take to recover?

my mum is slowly going insane not being able to see my kids and has said she'd rather die than live like this.. dementia is horrible

I think the effects of lockdown will be long lasting.

The effects of COVID can be long lasting unless you die , then they are permanent

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Today agree. I'm curious how they quantity deaths full stop. If you look into how they are now allowed to grade deaths for the certificate, they are allowed to add Covid if they 'think' it contributed.

This is not challenged.

My neighbour knows this first hand as her father died of MS and they have put Covid which she is legally challenging now.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"how long would lockdown have to go on for to really incur irrevocable damage to society and the economy and how long do you think it will take to recover?

my mum is slowly going insane not being able to see my kids and has said she'd rather die than live like this.. dementia is horrible

I think the effects of lockdown will be long lasting.

The effects of COVID can be long lasting unless you die , then they are permanent "

The effects of covid will be long lasting - your other will be less and taxes higher for decades to come. If your lucky enough to still have a job.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"how long would lockdown have to go on for to really incur irrevocable damage to society and the economy and how long do you think it will take to recover?

my mum is slowly going insane not being able to see my kids and has said she'd rather die than live like this.. dementia is horrible

I think the effects of lockdown will be long lasting.

The effects of COVID can be long lasting unless you die , then they are permanent "

Why are you insistent on just blurting out Government messages?? It's like having a paid Ad on the thread

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By *lym4realCouple over a year ago

plymouth

The irony of a bunch of mainly Right Wing conservatives being put up as some kind of voice of reason and having the Nations and us plebs best interests at heart ?? is quite outstanding !! and this is the same bunch who helped push through another one of their pet projects that would have all of us dancing in the "Sunny Uplands" ?? and has and will do cause more long term damage to us as a Nation than any kind of lock down and even more ironic is the mere fact ( that they and their willing press buddies totally ignore) is that their Dear leader is the main reason we are in lock down 3.0 is even more ironic but it is standard "Look over THERE..there's a squirrel"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I have to say I do to a degree support this. The costs of lockdown are immense and while I’m sure it has its supporters, many will be running out of life savings or losing their livelihoods as this continues. Blindly ignoring the financial costs of lockdown will hurt us far more in the end.

They may sound a little extreme but I imagine they don’t expect to get what they ask for and are going for a haggling position, expecting to be knocked down to a more realistic position. I don’t think it’s remotely extreme to say that. Too many dimwits, financially unaffected so far , have no understanding of the economic realities of all this and never will until their own income suddenly stops. Then hear them squeal.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"how long would lockdown have to go on for to really incur irrevocable damage to society and the economy and how long do you think it will take to recover?

my mum is slowly going insane not being able to see my kids and has said she'd rather die than live like this.. dementia is horrible

I think the effects of lockdown will be long lasting.

The effects of COVID can be long lasting unless you die , then they are permanent

Why are you insistent on just blurting out Government messages?? It's like having a paid Ad on the thread"

The ‘government message’ ? Are you refuting my statement?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"how long would lockdown have to go on for to really incur irrevocable damage to society and the economy and how long do you think it will take to recover?

my mum is slowly going insane not being able to see my kids and has said she'd rather die than live like this.. dementia is horrible

I think the effects of lockdown will be long lasting.

The effects of COVID can be long lasting unless you die , then they are permanent

The effects of covid will be long lasting - your other will be less and taxes higher for decades to come. If your lucky enough to still have a job."

And what was the alternative solution ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

What would be interesting is ‘reduced life chances of children at home living under bad parenting’

Let’s be honest, they are the ones that have suffered the most. Vulnerable children no longer means those with health or learning difficulties. It’s code for bad parenting. Most of these are in school now!!! Reduced chances due to poverty are much harder to discern due to often going hand-in-hand with the above, and some in poverty too proud to ask for help so get missed

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"how long would lockdown have to go on for to really incur irrevocable damage to society and the economy and how long do you think it will take to recover?

my mum is slowly going insane not being able to see my kids and has said she'd rather die than live like this.. dementia is horrible

I think the effects of lockdown will be long lasting.

The effects of COVID can be long lasting unless you die , then they are permanent

Why are you insistent on just blurting out Government messages?? It's like having a paid Ad on the thread"

Elton John is on board so it’s all true

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

" The irony of a bunch of mainly Right Wing conservatives being put up as some kind of voice of reason and having the Nations and us plebs best interests at heart ?? is quite outstanding !! and this is the same bunch who helped push through another one of their pet projects that would have all of us dancing in the "Sunny Uplands" ?? and has and will do cause more long term damage to us as a Nation than any kind of lock down and even more ironic is the mere fact ( that they and their willing press buddies totally ignore) is that their Dear leader is the main reason we are in lock down 3.0 is even more ironic but it is standard "Look over THERE..there's a squirrel" "

Is it as Ironic as the current people telling us to protect the NHS after applauding a pay rise stop?? And now talking about "shaking the NHS up"

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By *lym4realCouple over a year ago

plymouth

Is it as Ironic as the current people telling us to protect the NHS after applauding a pay rise stop?? And now talking about "shaking the NHS up""

Nope we are living in the age of irony ??? ..

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By *eavenNhellCouple over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

One wonders how much pressure from there well paid directorships the 63 are coming under now the supply to the trough has been cut

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"how long would lockdown have to go on for to really incur irrevocable damage to society and the economy and how long do you think it will take to recover?

my mum is slowly going insane not being able to see my kids and has said she'd rather die than live like this.. dementia is horrible

I think the effects of lockdown will be long lasting.

The effects of COVID can be long lasting unless you die , then they are permanent

The effects of covid will be long lasting - your other will be less and taxes higher for decades to come. If your lucky enough to still have a job."

Maybe they will...but letting covid just RIP 3as never the answer...but plenty were calling for that to happen back in march last year. And no doubt the same ones are still calling for it now.

As for tax going up...yeah its bound to happen but hey remember austerity?

I wonder whi give a fuck about people having to food banks back then eh...

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By *iger-NWMan over a year ago

Preston

Here's one stat: the NHS is on its knees.

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By *D835Man over a year ago

London

“.......... Areas I am thinking about are the spike in cancer deaths and other illnesses that have arisen from people not attending hospitals due to lockdown fears......”

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The spike in cancer deaths would be much much higher if we didn’t lockdown at all.

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By *igh wide and handsomeMan over a year ago

Dagenham

"how long would lockdown have to go on for to really incur irrevocable damage to society and the economy and how long do you think it will take to recover?

my mum is slowly going insane not being able to see my kids and has said she'd rather die than live like this.. dementia is horrible

That's definitely true, dementia is awful x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"how long would lockdown have to go on for to really incur irrevocable damage to society and the economy and how long do you think it will take to recover?

my mum is slowly going insane not being able to see my kids and has said she'd rather die than live like this.. dementia is horrible

I think the effects of lockdown will be long lasting.

The effects of COVID can be long lasting unless you die , then they are permanent

The effects of covid will be long lasting - your other will be less and taxes higher for decades to come. If your lucky enough to still have a job.

Maybe they will...but letting covid just RIP 3as never the answer...but plenty were calling for that to happen back in march last year. And no doubt the same ones are still calling for it now.

As for tax going up...yeah its bound to happen but hey remember austerity?

I wonder whi give a fuck about people having to food banks back then eh..."

This isn’t letting the virus rip though. The overwhelming majority of deaths are in the 80+ catogary. Those people have now been vaccinated. Deaths should drop massively. The pressure on the nhs will ease as a result.

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By *perfectpair5050Couple over a year ago

marlbourgh

The nhs didn’t collapse because we had the lockdown is not hard to work out

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"how long would lockdown have to go on for to really incur irrevocable damage to society and the economy and how long do you think it will take to recover?

my mum is slowly going insane not being able to see my kids and has said she'd rather die than live like this.. dementia is horrible

I think the effects of lockdown will be long lasting.

The effects of COVID can be long lasting unless you die , then they are permanent

The effects of covid will be long lasting - your other will be less and taxes higher for decades to come. If your lucky enough to still have a job.

Maybe they will...but letting covid just RIP 3as never the answer...but plenty were calling for that to happen back in march last year. And no doubt the same ones are still calling for it now.

As for tax going up...yeah its bound to happen but hey remember austerity?

I wonder whi give a fuck about people having to food banks back then eh...

They have only just been vaccinated

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By *oncupiscence73Woman over a year ago

South

"The CRG - which was formed in November to oppose a third lockdown and says it has the backing of 63 MPs for its letter - said the prime minister should set out a plan for "a return to normal life" from 8 March, the date pencilled in for school reopening.

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Whatever figures they give out there will be a high percentage of people who will not question them.

I'm not a nonbeliever, or antivaxxer etc I'm just a regular person that has an instinct to question things.

I think it's time we saw a LOT more transparency on the government's actions and publish all statistics."

Will the House of Commons be back with no restrictions on that date? Until they are then we shouldn’t be. Let’s be totally clear Tory MPs are only interested in the working masses putting money in their own pockets.

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By *oncupiscence73Woman over a year ago

South

"how long would lockdown have to go on for to really incur irrevocable damage to society and the economy and how long do you think it will take to recover?

my mum is slowly going insane not being able to see my kids and has said she'd rather die than live like this.. dementia is horrible

I think the effects of lockdown will be long lasting.

The effects of COVID can be long lasting unless you die , then they are permanent

The effects of covid will be long lasting - your other will be less and taxes higher for decades to come. If your lucky enough to still have a job.

Maybe they will...but letting covid just RIP 3as never the answer...but plenty were calling for that to happen back in march last year. And no doubt the same ones are still calling for it now.

As for tax going up...yeah its bound to happen but hey remember austerity?

I wonder whi give a fuck about people having to food banks back then eh...

My mum is 74 she won’t be fully protected until approx 2 weeks after her second vaccine which is May.

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By *oncupiscence73Woman over a year ago

South

"One wonders how much pressure from there well paid directorships the 63 are coming under now the supply to the trough has been cut "

Exactly this ...

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By *lym4realCouple over a year ago

plymouth

well the "NHS"...with 40 thousand less nurses/dr's ..wasn't going to end well plus the ending of the bursary scheme and all the various other cuts to our public services and the UK as whole can't deny the fact they weren't warned ?? but i guess standing outside clapping ..banging ..meanwhile ..nurses are ..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"how long would lockdown have to go on for to really incur irrevocable damage to society and the economy and how long do you think it will take to recover?

my mum is slowly going insane not being able to see my kids and has said she'd rather die than live like this.. dementia is horrible

I think the effects of lockdown will be long lasting.

The effects of COVID can be long lasting unless you die , then they are permanent

The effects of covid will be long lasting - your other will be less and taxes higher for decades to come. If your lucky enough to still have a job.

Maybe they will...but letting covid just RIP 3as never the answer...but plenty were calling for that to happen back in march last year. And no doubt the same ones are still calling for it now.

As for tax going up...yeah its bound to happen but hey remember austerity?

I wonder whi give a fuck about people having to food banks back then eh...

They have only just been vaccinated "

And in most cases just the first jab.

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By *D835Man over a year ago

London

"63 backbenchers will not change the lockdown measures....they can make noises but they would need labour behind them, and that's not going to happen Thank fuck."

True

63 is just a tiny minority. Their cries will certainly fall on deaf ears.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

They have only just been vaccinated "

Why do you keep replying with one sentence slightly arrogant answers.

Educate yourself in vaccines an efficient vaccine works within 7 to 10 days..they don't take months?

The fact they've only had one vaccine is again down to the government's "odd" erratic behaviour.

But the main problem for me Is people are rushing out to get a new vaccine that they have been openly told will not prevent and possibly not even save you???

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"I think the "terrified percentage" will sadly empower restrictions well into 2021.

As long as we there's scary stats in the tellybox and vulnerable elderly dying this pandemic will never truly be challenged.

Who are the ‘terrified percentage ‘ ?

They have a black and white approach to life.

"Why would they lie to us, what would they gain"

We have been lied to again and again so man can gain power and wealth FACT.

Amd I'm sure those 63 backbench tory mps no doubt including the loveable mark Francois, are just looking out for normal working people

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"One wonders how much pressure from there well paid directorships the 63 are coming under now the supply to the trough has been cut "

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Let's not forget Pfizer alone are set to make over 14 Billion from the vaccine...so no one is really fighting this through the "goodness if their hearts" or doing the right thing for mankind

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman over a year ago

On a mooch

They have only just been vaccinated

Why do you keep replying with one sentence slightly arrogant answers.

Educate yourself in vaccines an efficient vaccine works within 7 to 10 days..they don't take months?

The fact they've only had one vaccine is again down to the government's "odd" erratic behaviour.

But the main problem for me Is people are rushing out to get a new vaccine that they have been openly told will not prevent and possibly not even save you???"

Because hopefully if your body does what it is trying to kick start, if you catch the virus you have a 65-95% chance of not getting seriously ill with it. Unfortunately there will be some that it won’t work on, like most vaccines.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

They have only just been vaccinated

Why do you keep replying with one sentence slightly arrogant answers.

Educate yourself in vaccines an efficient vaccine works within 7 to 10 days..they don't take months?

The fact they've only had one vaccine is again down to the government's "odd" erratic behaviour.

But the main problem for me Is people are rushing out to get a new vaccine that they have been openly told will not prevent and possibly not even save you???

Like the virus itself too??

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Let's not forget Pfizer alone are set to make over 14 Billion from the vaccine...so no one is really fighting this through the "goodness if their hearts" or doing the right thing for mankind"

Your against lockdown and the vaccines aren’t fit for purpose? Let me guess, Bill Gates is behind all this ?

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

It's a pity that such a group has so much ability to gain prominence for its voice, amongst our right wing media outlets, amongst others.

If they are requesting evidence-led approaches and the public to be provided with accurate and honest information from the party that they represent, then it's a good thing. Sadly, I think they probably prefer to have data that supports their objectives, as they seemingly have their minds already made up about what should be done.

It's a noisy period from them because we're just over a week away from when their party releases its 22nd Feb. outline plan for the next few months.

The r number has fallen to below 1, a sign that the strategy has been effective in reducing the scale of the problem. Obviously, the far less infectious flu problem has also been controlled by our measures this winter, which is a good thing too.

Any radically different proposal should be modelled and provided in full. To date, it appears that all of our lockdowns have been started too late. The freely available data on infection levels and deaths, including how those deaths have been categorised, is the greater asset than totally biased extremists from the governing party, who appear at the 11th hour, demanding things their way.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

"Let's not forget Pfizer alone are set to make over 14 Billion from the vaccine...so no one is really fighting this through the "goodness if their hearts" or doing the right thing for mankind"

You have a problem with how the pharmaceutical industry works globally, for its profit. That's a separate topic, surely.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Let's not forget Pfizer alone are set to make over 14 Billion from the vaccine...so no one is really fighting this through the "goodness if their hearts" or doing the right thing for mankind

Your against lockdown and the vaccines aren’t fit for purpose? Let me guess, Bill Gates is behind all this ? "

Annnnnd.....there it is.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Let's not forget Pfizer alone are set to make over 14 Billion from the vaccine...so no one is really fighting this through the "goodness if their hearts" or doing the right thing for mankind

Your against lockdown and the vaccines aren’t fit for purpose? Let me guess, Bill Gates is behind all this ?

Annnnnd.....there it is."

Or is it the ‘great reset’ !?

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman over a year ago

On a mooch

They have only just been vaccinated

Why do you keep replying with one sentence slightly arrogant answers.

Educate yourself in vaccines an efficient vaccine works within 7 to 10 days..they don't take months?

The fact they've only had one vaccine is again down to the government's "odd" erratic behaviour.

But the main problem for me Is people are rushing out to get a new vaccine that they have been openly told will not prevent and possibly not even save you???

Like the virus itself too??"

Personally I’d rather have the vaccine than catch the virus without any built up fight code

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

This is not challenged.

My neighbour knows this first hand as her father died of MS and they have put Covid which she is legally challenging now."

How does she know he died of MS and not covid?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think the "terrified percentage" will sadly empower restrictions well into 2021.

As long as we there's scary stats in the tellybox and vulnerable elderly dying this pandemic will never truly be challenged.

Who are the ‘terrified percentage ‘ ?

They have a black and white approach to life.

"Why would they lie to us, what would they gain"

We have been lied to again and again so man can gain power and wealth FACT.

okay lets follow your train of thought then ... who is gaining and what are they gaining? please elaborate

also from your first post which statistics is it that you think are missing? an specific important metric or would you just like to see numbers til you can find one to support an alternative theory because you know what they say about lie damned lies and statistics

while being all open minded and challenging, have you challenged your own thought that people who disagree with you are all just terrified into submission, perhaps they have already done their questioning and challenging and still come back to the same opinion because its the one based in facts?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Regarding stats...if anyone can provide me with current breakdown of age/underlying conditions stats please do.

I found this but it seemed it was stopped in 2020.

Why is it relevant

And if you have nothing beneficial to contribute why not join another thread. Trying to question my intrigue just shows me hostility that I can only presume us fear based."

so again your intrigue is enlightened but another’s questioning is fear based ... ok !

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think the "terrified percentage" will sadly empower restrictions well into 2021.

As long as we there's scary stats in the tellybox and vulnerable elderly dying this pandemic will never truly be challenged.

Who are the ‘terrified percentage ‘ ?

They have a black and white approach to life.

"Why would they lie to us, what would they gain"

We have been lied to again and again so man can gain power and wealth FACT.

okay lets follow your train of thought then ... who is gaining and what are they gaining? please elaborate

Spot on

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By *rummie_jamaicanMan over a year ago

Birmingham

In your view, what is the financial equivalent of five more years with a parent or grandparent? A rough estimate will suffice

They may sound a little extreme but I imagine they don’t expect to get what they ask for and are going for a haggling position, expecting to be knocked down to a more realistic position.

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By *lym4realCouple over a year ago

plymouth

All these questions ..and from the come over here i've found out some information that no other scientists has seen on the entire planet ...and i just googled ..lesbian porn...

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By *ost SockMan over a year ago

West Wales and Cardiff

"The nhs didn’t collapse because we had the lockdown is not hard to work out "

Exactly. I worked in a role supporting the frontline NHS staff. The situation was terrible in early Dec, and many of the seriously ill patients were younger.

Without lockdown, I know that the NHS would have been overrun.

The toll taken on the staff was terrible too. Much as feel terribly sad for businesses, individuals etc, the long-term costs would have terrible in other ways without another lockdown.

A functioning health service really is the bottom line in all of this.

These MPs are deeply irresponsible - I just wish they’d each have spent a week on the wards at the height of the second wave. That, possibly, may have changed their thinking.

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By *rummie_jamaicanMan over a year ago

Birmingham

"how long would lockdown have to go on for to really incur irrevocable damage to society and the economy and how long do you think it will take to recover?

my mum is slowly going insane not being able to see my kids and has said she'd rather die than live like this.. dementia is horrible

World War Two lasted six years. Society recovered fine from it. I don't think there is anything - bar extinction - that is irrevocable. Stop the scare mongering

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

does it not also follow that its ironic to suggest a conservative government would tank the economy and start paying everyones wages for fun when their policy for the last decade was austerity with an aim to reduce national debt?

perhaps money is still their long term motivation but they realise the economy would also have tanked if the virus run rampant , everyone was sick and unable to work, the hospitals were over run and people dying from things like heart attacks too as no capacity to treat them

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By *ap d agde coupleCouple over a year ago

Broadstairs

Just been reading today that there is sitting Government archives a70 page document called U.K. Influenza pandemic preparedness strategy ,don’t be put off by that influenza the plan could easily have been put in place for Corona , agreed by all parts of the U.K. but was ditched in hysteria on March 20th

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By *imale38Man over a year ago

Barnsley

We all want rid of restrictions but it has to happen at the right time otherwisr infectikns are gping to sky rocket again.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Just been reading today that there is sitting Government archives a70 page document called U.K. Influenza pandemic preparedness strategy ,don’t be put off by that influenza the plan could easily have been put in place for Corona , agreed by all parts of the U.K. but was ditched in hysteria on March 20th"

Why do you think it wasn’t?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

They have only just been vaccinated

Why do you keep replying with one sentence slightly arrogant answers.

Educate yourself in vaccines an efficient vaccine works within 7 to 10 days..they don't take months?

The fact they've only had one vaccine is again down to the government's "odd" erratic behaviour.

But the main problem for me Is people are rushing out to get a new vaccine that they have been openly told will not prevent and possibly not even save you???"

errrrr this is awkward ... those one sentence slightly arrogant answers are what is otherwise referred to as statement of fact

also very little point discussing the rules for efficient vaccines in general when we are referring to a set of very specific vaccines which we have been told require 2 doses

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By *rummie_jamaicanMan over a year ago

Birmingham

I am curious to know how death are caused by lockdown. I keep hearing about them but no one cared to explain how these deaths are caused.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

They had no choice with furlough

What would have been the alternative?

Plus there is no doubt in the world that every penny of that furlough money will be recouped.

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By *ap d agde coupleCouple over a year ago

Broadstairs

Why do you think it wasn’t? "
Because they panicked , this was a very thought out way to deal with pandemics , also the whole of the U.K governments . was in agreement with it

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

I am curious to know how death are caused by lockdown. I keep hearing about them but no one cared to explain how these deaths are caused."

I think there is an argument that the likes of suicides has gone up and people have died of other illnesses, because the focus has been on covid

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

Why do you think it wasn’t? Because they panicked , this was a very thought out way to deal with pandemics , also the whole of the U.K governments . was in agreement with it "

Are you talking about this operation cygnus?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Why do you think it wasn’t? Because they panicked , this was a very thought out way to deal with pandemics , also the whole of the U.K governments . was in agreement with it "

Ah right, another balls up,

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

They had no choice with furlough

What would have been the alternative?

Plus there is no doubt in the world that every penny of that furlough money will be recouped."

i agree, but i also believe they had no choice with lockdown ... a virus “happened to us” (ive air quoted that because i don’t care where people think it originated from, either way it ended up in the uk ) and we had to react ...

without a virus, closing the economy and handing out free cash would be the last thing on a conservative government’s mind ... wether they have the interest of the plebs at heart or not , there fore when the virus is minimised enough its likely a tory govt will be pushing for us open as soon as possible

i was replying to a post that suggested this was all happening and we were locked down because a conservative govt just wants to screw the plebs over for their own gain which when you follow the thought through is ludicrous

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By *rummie_jamaicanMan over a year ago

Birmingham

This is not challenged.

My neighbour knows this first hand as her father died of MS and they have put Covid which she is legally challenging now."

I had this debate with someone the other day. What qualifies you neighbour to KNOW the cause their father's death? We they the doctor treating him in hospital in the moments leading up to his death? As far as I know, hospital and care home visits are banned so how does your neighbour KNOW any of what they claim to know? Say my dad has complications with diabetes and got admitted to hospital. The hospital said that he contracted covid and die. What knowledge/qualifications do I have to contradict the medics? Maybe you can help me understand

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By *ap d agde coupleCouple over a year ago

Broadstairs

Why do you think it wasn’t? Because they panicked , this was a very thought out way to deal with pandemics , also the whole of the U.K governments . was in agreement with it

Are you talking about this operation cygnus?"
It was called U.K. influenza pandemic preparedness strategy 2011 and could be easily adapted

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I am curious to know how death are caused by lockdown. I keep hearing about them but no one cared to explain how these deaths are caused.

I think there is an argument that the likes of suicides has gone up and people have died of other illnesses, because the focus has been on covid

30 million electives surgeries postponed or cancelled world wide during the first 12 weeks of the pandemic.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Why do you think it wasn’t? Because they panicked , this was a very thought out way to deal with pandemics , also the whole of the U.K governments . was in agreement with it "

I seen Jeremy hunt on about that. It was because they thought a big virus would be coming...thought they thought it would be a bad variant of influenza.

Let's hope that doesn't come next eh..

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

They had no choice with furlough

What would have been the alternative?

Plus there is no doubt in the world that every penny of that furlough money will be recouped.

Oh yeah agree of course.

They had no choice and there is plenty of evidence that they acted too late.

I'm just quite suspicious of the motives of these back bench mps who want us to come out asap.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I am curious to know how death are caused by lockdown. I keep hearing about them but no one cared to explain how these deaths are caused.

I think there is an argument that the likes of suicides has gone up and people have died of other illnesses, because the focus has been on covid

increased suicide is a valid point and the government should be doing more to support mental health along side covid - this is because lockdown restrictions have exacerbated the issue

an increase in people not getting treatment and dying of other illnesses is a red herring because we cannot compare to pre covid - in this case its not how we deal with the virus (ie lockdown) that has made the issue worse, its the virus itself and we were stuck with the virus over the last year no matter what method we put in place ... wether beds were unused because of lockdown or unavailable because of an overwhelmed nhs the outcome is the same - no treatment for the patient - the only way to remove this impact is to remove the virus so actually letting it run rampant would have likely been an even worse outcome

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I am curious to know how death are caused by lockdown. I keep hearing about them but no one cared to explain how these deaths are caused.

I think there is an argument that the likes of suicides has gone up and people have died of other illnesses, because the focus has been on covid

30 million electives surgeries postponed or cancelled world wide during the first 12 weeks of the pandemic.

and how many of those elective surgeries were life threatening since you seem to have the stats - lets give the whole story rather than the click bait headline

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

I am curious to know how death are caused by lockdown. I keep hearing about them but no one cared to explain how these deaths are caused.

I think there is an argument that the likes of suicides has gone up and people have died of other illnesses, because the focus has been on covid

increased suicide is a valid point and the government should be doing more to support mental health along side covid - this is because lockdown restrictions have exacerbated the issue

I know.. just saying they are the arguments put forward by those who say lockdown is killing people.

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By *lwaysup4it69Couple over a year ago

Kirkby in Ashfield

Restrictions need to be lifted but it needs to done slowly and carefully. No point opening up everything again then having another spike and going back to square 1. This lockdown needs to be the last 1

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I am curious to know how death are caused by lockdown. I keep hearing about them but no one cared to explain how these deaths are caused.

I think there is an argument that the likes of suicides has gone up and people have died of other illnesses, because the focus has been on covid

30 million electives surgeries postponed or cancelled world wide during the first 12 weeks of the pandemic.

and how many of those elective surgeries were life threatening since you seem to have the stats - lets give the whole story rather than the click bait headline

Source British Journal of Surgery May 12th 2020

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By *andy 1Couple over a year ago

northeast

"The nhs didn’t collapse because we had the lockdown is not hard to work out "

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By *D835Man over a year ago

London

I am curious to know how death are caused by lockdown. I keep hearing about them but no one cared to explain how these deaths are caused.

I think there is an argument that the likes of suicides has gone up and people have died of other illnesses, because the focus has been on covid

30 million electives surgeries postponed or cancelled world wide during the first 12 weeks of the pandemic.

"....30 million electives surgeries postponed or cancelled world wide..."

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And without a lockdown, it could have been 60 million surgeries postponed.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I am curious to know how death are caused by lockdown. I keep hearing about them but no one cared to explain how these deaths are caused.

I think there is an argument that the likes of suicides has gone up and people have died of other illnesses, because the focus has been on covid

30 million electives surgeries postponed or cancelled world wide during the first 12 weeks of the pandemic.

"....30 million electives surgeries postponed or cancelled world wide..."

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And without a lockdown, it could have been 60 million surgeries postponed."

Thank you and least you're not doubting my source.

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By *rummie_jamaicanMan over a year ago

Birmingham

I am curious to know how death are caused by lockdown. I keep hearing about them but no one cared to explain how these deaths are caused.

I think there is an argument that the likes of suicides has gone up and people have died of other illnesses, because the focus has been on covid

Yeah. I've heard that too. Except that a Google search lead me to suicide prevention charities that say that there are no numbers available to back that theory. Also, no one has ever explained to me how we treat cancer and heart attacks when hospitals are full of covid patients and a big chunk of staff are off sick. My sister in law had a serious operation postpone recently because the surgeon caught covid

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

I am curious to know how death are caused by lockdown. I keep hearing about them but no one cared to explain how these deaths are caused.

I think there is an argument that the likes of suicides has gone up and people have died of other illnesses, because the focus has been on covid

Like I said I was just repeating the arguments they put forward.

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By *bi_AstrayTV/TS over a year ago

Plymouth

Why do you think it wasn’t? Because they panicked , this was a very thought out way to deal with pandemics , also the whole of the U.K governments . was in agreement with it "

It would be nice to be able to read that document... Hard to make comments on it without knowing what it contained... Central government didn't like it for a reason obviously, given initial early statements from leadership.

It could contain things that even those amoungst us who think our leadership has failed us badly so far, find hard to swallow... Look how China enforced lock down, what if that plan recommends the army blockading cities? Plymouth has 5 major routes in or out, 1 of which is a ferry. Not going to take many squaddies to isolate town and cities...

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By *rummie_jamaicanMan over a year ago

Birmingham

I am curious to know how death are caused by lockdown. I keep hearing about them but no one cared to explain how these deaths are caused.

I think there is an argument that the likes of suicides has gone up and people have died of other illnesses, because the focus has been on covid

Like I said I was just repeating the arguments they put forward."

I got you

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I am curious to know how death are caused by lockdown. I keep hearing about them but no one cared to explain how these deaths are caused.

I think there is an argument that the likes of suicides has gone up and people have died of other illnesses, because the focus has been on covid

i think for many that committed suicide lockdown / job loss will have been the straw that broke the camels back so to speak

because its such an emotive subject people dont want to consider that without covid there may have been a different straw

but i guess if what you say about the numbers not actually increasing is true then it must follow that without covid something else would have caused it

what is true though is that even before covid mental health services were poor and difficult to access, we don’t fund mental health to the same level as physical health (and many argue physical health is already underfunded) - many more people need more help

and while it might not have increased suicides, less serious levels of mental health issues have definitely increased. with all this isolation and time to do nothing but think there are alot of people struggling mentally, some will bounce back when restrictions are lifted but many others will be a new additional burden to the already struggling mental health service - it needs to be a big focus going forward

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I am curious to know how death are caused by lockdown. I keep hearing about them but no one cared to explain how these deaths are caused.

I think there is an argument that the likes of suicides has gone up and people have died of other illnesses, because the focus has been on covid

Like I said I was just repeating the arguments they put forward."

we are just debunking them lionel before people start agreeing with your post

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

I am curious to know how death are caused by lockdown. I keep hearing about them but no one cared to explain how these deaths are caused.

I think there is an argument that the likes of suicides has gone up and people have died of other illnesses, because the focus has been on covid

Like I said I was just repeating the arguments they put forward.

we are just debunking them lionel before people start agreeing with your post

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

I am curious to know how death are caused by lockdown. I keep hearing about them but no one cared to explain how these deaths are caused.

I think there is an argument that the likes of suicides has gone up and people have died of other illnesses, because the focus has been on covid

i think for many that committed suicide lockdown / job loss will have been the straw that broke the camels back so to speak

because its such an emotive subject people dont want to consider that without covid there may have been a different straw

but i guess if what you say about the numbers not actually increasing is true then it must follow that without covid something else would have caused it

I think the thing which gets me is that a lot of these anti lockdown arguments put forward by the likes of these back bench tories,toby young,the daily mail etc,use job losses,suicide as their justification.

However pre covid I dont remember such people being up in arms about peope losing their jobs,families thrown on the scrap heap.

I just think there are ulterior motives at play.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

I am curious to know how death are caused by lockdown. I keep hearing about them but no one cared to explain how these deaths are caused.

I think there is an argument that the likes of suicides has gone up and people have died of other illnesses, because the focus has been on covid

Like I said I was just repeating the arguments they put forward.

I got you

I think there is a huge issue there around mental health, suicides etc but again that was an area before which had previously been neglected

In fact I think mental health services have suffered terribly In terms of funding,over the last few years.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

So far the angriest people in this thread seem to be deeply engrained and fully onboard with what the government have done/are doing when it comes to restrictions.

It's clearly evident the news and stats they are absorbing are causing a level of fear that means they struggle conduct an adult debate of different viewpoints.

Many arguments are all based on challenging the official narrative, anyone who questions it or asks for further evidence is classed as a "bill gates conspiracy theorist" as I was by the chap that delivers one sentence answers that are the equivalent of a child repetitively saying "why"

Some are even asking for more freedom to be removed.

Many are saying "look at how bad it could have been if we hadn't locked down" etc hindsight is a gift, not a solution.

Let's see what people are saying in two years time when the real damage or successes of this are more evident.

let's see how many of those that are lashing out in fear now might be lashing out in regret.

I for one will be more than happy to say "we got through this I was wrong to doubt anyone's motives"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

i don’t see any angry posts on this thread

i think you might be mistaking non agreeable with anger - not the same thing

and yes continually asking why can be a childs method - but its also method to understand ... the comments you have put forward are vague musings with no real reason or substance behind them - you say you are not buying into a conspiracy theory but also not buying into the government message so what are you buying into? what answers has your questioning and challenging brought you that you would like to share with people to convince them their viewpoint is wrong?

when you don’t provide anything people have to ask “but why”

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"i don’t see any angry posts on this thread

i think you might be mistaking non agreeable with anger - not the same thing

when you don’t provide anything people have to ask “but why”

Anger, hostility, there's lots of it, not just here but the whole virus forum.

I've had insulting personal messages from people that don't agree.

Vague? My viewpoint is crystal clear,

I do not trust the official narratives.

That doesn't mean I have to go one way or another, I don't suffer from black or white thinking thankfully.

Sitting in the fence is an easy option to embrace all viewpoints without committing to any.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"i don’t see any angry posts on this thread

i think you might be mistaking non agreeable with anger - not the same thing

when you don’t provide anything people have to ask “but why”

Anger, hostility, there's lots of it, not just here but the whole virus forum.

I've had insulting personal messages from people that don't agree.

Vague? My viewpoint is crystal clear,

I do not trust the official narratives.

That doesn't mean I have to go one way or another, I don't suffer from black or white thinking thankfully.

Sitting in the fence is an easy option to embrace all viewpoints without committing to any."

yes exactly its an easy place to sit and criticise everyone else's viewpoint while essentially saying you have none of your own

“you are all stupid and wrong but i am smarter by having no idea what is right” thats what you have just confirmed your stance is

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"i don’t see any angry posts on this thread

i think you might be mistaking non agreeable with anger - not the same thing

when you don’t provide anything people have to ask “but why”

Anger, hostility, there's lots of it, not just here but the whole virus forum.

I've had insulting personal messages from people that don't agree.

Vague? My viewpoint is crystal clear,

I do not trust the official narratives.

That doesn't mean I have to go one way or another, I don't suffer from black or white thinking thankfully.

Sitting in the fence is an easy option to embrace all viewpoints without committing to any.

yes exactly its an easy place to sit and criticise everyone else's viewpoint while essentially saying you have none of your own

“you are all stupid and wrong but i am smarter by having no idea what is right” thats what you have just confirmed your stance is "

How on earth have you derived that!!!????

I give up. I'll leave you to dance with the "why" guy.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"i don’t see any angry posts on this thread

i think you might be mistaking non agreeable with anger - not the same thing

when you don’t provide anything people have to ask “but why”

Anger, hostility, there's lots of it, not just here but the whole virus forum.

I've had insulting personal messages from people that don't agree.

Vague? My viewpoint is crystal clear,

I do not trust the official narratives.

That doesn't mean I have to go one way or another, I don't suffer from black or white thinking thankfully.

Sitting in the fence is an easy option to embrace all viewpoints without committing to any.

yes exactly its an easy place to sit and criticise everyone else's viewpoint while essentially saying you have none of your own

“you are all stupid and wrong but i am smarter by having no idea what is right” thats what you have just confirmed your stance is

How on earth have you derived that!!!????

I give up. I'll leave you to dance with the "why" guy."

because the only thing you can stand behind is a negative confirmation

“i don’t believe” - well what do you believe then?

you say you want an adult debate but you can’t debate by just saying no no no - at some point you have to put forward an alternative to what you disagree with

and i might be wrong but things like “i dont suffer from black and white thinking” suggests you think your are smarter than people who have managed to settle themselves on a side of the debate

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"i don’t see any angry posts on this thread

i think you might be mistaking non agreeable with anger - not the same thing

when you don’t provide anything people have to ask “but why”

Anger, hostility, there's lots of it, not just here but the whole virus forum.

I've had insulting personal messages from people that don't agree.

Vague? My viewpoint is crystal clear,

I do not trust the official narratives.

That doesn't mean I have to go one way or another, I don't suffer from black or white thinking thankfully.

Sitting in the fence is an easy option to embrace all viewpoints without committing to any.

yes exactly its an easy place to sit and criticise everyone else's viewpoint while essentially saying you have none of your own

“you are all stupid and wrong but i am smarter by having no idea what is right” thats what you have just confirmed your stance is

How on earth have you derived that!!!????

I give up. I'll leave you to dance with the "why" guy.

because the only thing you can stand behind is a negative confirmation

“i don’t believe” - well what do you believe then?

you say you want an adult debate but you can’t debate by just saying no no no - at some point you have to put forward an alternative to what you disagree with

and i might be wrong but things like “i dont suffer from black and white thinking” suggests you think your are smarter than people who have managed to settle themselves on a side of the debate "

Ok...you seem to be making a habit of not reading my posts or translating them to suit your answer.

Just because I don't believe the official narrative, doesn't mean I have to give an immediate option of what I do believe. It's a a belief in itself.

The fact you challenge that shows me you have a black and white approach.

And I have never said 'no' in a reply.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"i don’t see any angry posts on this thread

i think you might be mistaking non agreeable with anger - not the same thing

when you don’t provide anything people have to ask “but why”

Anger, hostility, there's lots of it, not just here but the whole virus forum.

I've had insulting personal messages from people that don't agree.

Vague? My viewpoint is crystal clear,

I do not trust the official narratives.

That doesn't mean I have to go one way or another, I don't suffer from black or white thinking thankfully.

Sitting in the fence is an easy option to embrace all viewpoints without committing to any.

yes exactly its an easy place to sit and criticise everyone else's viewpoint while essentially saying you have none of your own

“you are all stupid and wrong but i am smarter by having no idea what is right” thats what you have just confirmed your stance is

How on earth have you derived that!!!????

I give up. I'll leave you to dance with the "why" guy.

because the only thing you can stand behind is a negative confirmation

“i don’t believe” - well what do you believe then?

you say you want an adult debate but you can’t debate by just saying no no no - at some point you have to put forward an alternative to what you disagree with

and i might be wrong but things like “i dont suffer from black and white thinking” suggests you think your are smarter than people who have managed to settle themselves on a side of the debate

Ok...you seem to be making a habit of not reading my posts or translating them to suit your answer.

Just because I don't believe the official narrative, doesn't mean I have to give an immediate option of what I do believe. It's a a belief in itself.

The fact you challenge that shows me you have a black and white approach.

And I have never said 'no' in a reply.

no no no was me paraphrasing all of your posts - it would have taken a while to copy them all out but i was getting a ross that they only every offer negative confirmation

absence of evidence is not evidence and lack of belief is not a belief - maybe that is black and white thinking - its how science (and to an extent language) works

“ Just because I don't believe the official narrative, doesn't mean I have to give an immediate option of what I do believe. It's a a belief in itself.”

please explain to me if i am mistranslating , what this can possibly mean other than

i believe in nothing OR

i believe in nothing with enough conviction to stand behind it

you claim to want adult debate , but adult debate requires both sides to have view points that they will put forward and back up ... you only want to tell others that their viewpoint is wrong without providing any substance to back up why and without offering any alternative of your own

and like you said that fence sitting is a very easy high horse to sit on

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Lockdown cant last forever as we know I belive it is only holding because it is do cold at the moment agree that when over 50 plus the under 50 who are vulnerable are vaccinated it's going to have to be eased quite a lot cant see foreign holidays for long time or overseas tourests here not going to get into the nhs argument other then the fact I worked in it for all my life so I am well clued up with how it works concerning fact is people's mental health loss of jobs economy it will come to the point that the cure is worse then covid19 unfortunately I am sure that some measures are going to have to stay for long time which is not compatible with our lifestyles but it will be better then before we had the vaccine keep positive

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By *rummie_jamaicanMan over a year ago

Birmingham

"i don’t see any angry posts on this thread

i think you might be mistaking non agreeable with anger - not the same thing

when you don’t provide anything people have to ask “but why”

Anger, hostility, there's lots of it, not just here but the whole virus forum.

I've had insulting personal messages from people that don't agree.

Vague? My viewpoint is crystal clear,

I do not trust the official narratives.

That doesn't mean I have to go one way or another, I don't suffer from black or white thinking thankfully.

Sitting in the fence is an easy option to embrace all viewpoints without committing to any."

"I don't trust the official narrative" is not an argument. The only response to that is to ask: so what?

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

And he's gone...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"i don’t see any angry posts on this thread

i think you might be mistaking non agreeable with anger - not the same thing

when you don’t provide anything people have to ask “but why”

Anger, hostility, there's lots of it, not just here but the whole virus forum.

I've had insulting personal messages from people that don't agree.

Vague? My viewpoint is crystal clear,

I do not trust the official narratives.

That doesn't mean I have to go one way or another, I don't suffer from black or white thinking thankfully.

Sitting in the fence is an easy option to embrace all viewpoints without committing to any.

"I don't trust the official narrative" is not an argument. The only response to that is to ask: so what?"

Another leaves the site.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And he's gone..."

Just after he had his arse handed to him on here

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By *an JuniperoCouple over a year ago

North East

To be fair he was permanently banned from the forum. Can’t blame him for deleting his profile.

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By *rummie_jamaicanMan over a year ago

Birmingham

"i don’t see any angry posts on this thread

i think you might be mistaking non agreeable with anger - not the same thing

when you don’t provide anything people have to ask “but why”

Anger, hostility, there's lots of it, not just here but the whole virus forum.

I've had insulting personal messages from people that don't agree.

Vague? My viewpoint is crystal clear,

I do not trust the official narratives.

That doesn't mean I have to go one way or another, I don't suffer from black or white thinking thankfully.

Sitting in the fence is an easy option to embrace all viewpoints without committing to any.

"I don't trust the official narrative" is not an argument. The only response to that is to ask: so what?

Another leaves the site."

Oh my tears

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"To be fair he was permanently banned from the forum. Can’t blame him for deleting his profile. "

How do you know?

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By *an JuniperoCouple over a year ago

North East

"To be fair he was permanently banned from the forum. Can’t blame him for deleting his profile.

How do you know? "

He messaged us before he deleted it. We were talking privately prior to this post.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"To be fair he was permanently banned from the forum. Can’t blame him for deleting his profile.

How do you know?

He messaged us before he deleted it. We were talking privately prior to this post."

O dear, nevermind , maybe he will return in the future

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"To be fair he was permanently banned from the forum. Can’t blame him for deleting his profile. "

really? presumably for a different thread?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"To be fair he was permanently banned from the forum. Can’t blame him for deleting his profile.

really? presumably for a different thread? "

He had a few threads , they all followed the same script and agenda

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"To be fair he was permanently banned from the forum. Can’t blame him for deleting his profile.

really? presumably for a different thread?

He had a few threads , they all followed the same script and agenda "

yes but while i didnt agree with his (lack of) view , if they all followed this script and agenda its not offensive or ban worthy

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By *an JuniperoCouple over a year ago

North East

"To be fair he was permanently banned from the forum. Can’t blame him for deleting his profile.

really? presumably for a different thread?

He had a few threads , they all followed the same script and agenda

yes but while i didnt agree with his (lack of) view , if they all followed this script and agenda its not offensive or ban worthy "

It does seem unreasonable to us to give out permanent bans without warning based solely on opinions. Surely it would be more appropriate to issue a warning and remove the post?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"To be fair he was permanently banned from the forum. Can’t blame him for deleting his profile.

really? presumably for a different thread?

He had a few threads , they all followed the same script and agenda

yes but while i didnt agree with his (lack of) view , if they all followed this script and agenda its not offensive or ban worthy "

That is true, I don’t know the full content of his other threads but looking at the green arrow they were all similar . I respect everyone’s right to question things , but not giving reasons or solutions is pointless

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"To be fair he was permanently banned from the forum. Can’t blame him for deleting his profile.

really? presumably for a different thread?

He had a few threads , they all followed the same script and agenda

yes but while i didnt agree with his (lack of) view , if they all followed this script and agenda its not offensive or ban worthy

It does seem unreasonable to us to give out permanent bans without warning based solely on opinions. Surely it would be more appropriate to issue a warning and remove the post? "

i dont think it will have been for an opinion thats why i said i assume another post

people generally do get a time out and warning for breaking rules so if he didnt get that there must have been something somewhere a mod has removed that was beyond just giving out a warning

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By *rummie_jamaicanMan over a year ago

Birmingham

"To be fair he was permanently banned from the forum. Can’t blame him for deleting his profile.

really? presumably for a different thread?

He had a few threads , they all followed the same script and agenda

yes but while i didnt agree with his (lack of) view , if they all followed this script and agenda its not offensive or ban worthy

It does seem unreasonable to us to give out permanent bans without warning based solely on opinions. Surely it would be more appropriate to issue a warning and remove the post? "

I'd be surprised if he hadn't been given time out before. I've been sent to the naughty corner twice for crossing the line.

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By *ocbigMan over a year ago

Birmingham

Bit of a shame, but I guess there would never be an answer to the lovely ‘but why’ question, excellent take down by the way..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"63 backbenchers will not change the lockdown measures....they can make noises but they would need labour behind them, and that's not going to happen Thank fuck."

However should 15% of Tory MP’s (Thats currently 55 i believe) initiate a no confidence vote in the leader (Boris) then he has to secure a 50% total of MP’s to remain leader.

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By *ty31Man over a year ago

NW London

They might be right, they might be wrong but somebody has to speak up for all the people who are being damaged by non stop lockdowns. There are always at least 2 sides to every story.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Bit of a shame, but I guess there would never be an answer to the lovely ‘but why’ question, excellent take down by the way.."

i might be overthinking into the connotations of the words take down but i wasn’t trying to belittle anyone

i was just trying to explain that if you want to tell someone their view is flawed and wrong you kind of have to have a reason for that which you are willing to state and back up ...

just saying someone is wrong and calling them childish for asking why you think they are wrong followed by i don’t have to tell you what my view is ... well thats not really a reasoned debate is it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"They might be right, they might be wrong but somebody has to speak up for all the people who are being damaged by non stop lockdowns. There are always at least 2 sides to every story."

Lockdowns are a ‘necessary evil’ I am afraid . I can’t think of a better solution at this moment in time

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"They might be right, they might be wrong but somebody has to speak up for all the people who are being damaged by non stop lockdowns. There are always at least 2 sides to every story."

i agree with this but dont think a blanket call for end to lockdown is the only way to stick up for them

1. we ask what a roadmap out of lockdown looks like (which we are due on 22nd feb and we have to also take with a pinch of salt because its a plan not a contract)

2. we ask which measurable metrics we are targetting to move through each phase of the roadmap (will it be hospitalisation, positive cases, deaths, number vaccinated , most likely a combination of all but it needs to be measurable targets)

3. we ask what support will be put in place if waiting for this metric extends beyond current end of furlough

4. we ask what the next stage plan is to get the country back on track, people back into jobs and a catch up on the now huge nhs waiting lists (or at the very least when we can expect to hear about those plans if they are not yet worked through)

and then we hold them accountable at each stage

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By *D835Man over a year ago

London

"They might be right, they might be wrong but somebody has to speak up for all the people who are being damaged by non stop lockdowns. There are always at least 2 sides to every story.

i agree with this but dont think a blanket call for end to lockdown is the only way to stick up for them

1. we ask what a roadmap out of lockdown looks like (which we are due on 22nd feb and we have to also take with a pinch of salt because its a plan not a contract)

3. we ask what support will be put in place if waiting for this metric extends beyond current end of furlough

and then we hold them accountable at each stage"

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By *ty31Man over a year ago

NW London

"They might be right, they might be wrong but somebody has to speak up for all the people who are being damaged by non stop lockdowns. There are always at least 2 sides to every story.

Lockdowns are a ‘necessary evil’ I am afraid . I can’t think of a better solution at this moment in time "

And that's the exact problem. Nobody has thought of a better idea or a better system.

What we are doing now isn't sustainable in the long run and theres been no long term plan, no exit plan and no criteria for ending lockdown.

The damage being caused by constant lockdowns can't be ignored.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"They might be right, they might be wrong but somebody has to speak up for all the people who are being damaged by non stop lockdowns. There are always at least 2 sides to every story.

Lockdowns are a ‘necessary evil’ I am afraid . I can’t think of a better solution at this moment in time

And that's the exact problem. Nobody has thought of a better idea or a better system.

What we are doing now isn't sustainable in the long run and theres been no long term plan, no exit plan and no criteria for ending lockdown.

The damage being caused by constant lockdowns can't be ignored."

i don’t think we should ignore them but we don’t have to be in a deal with this or deal with that mindset

we can deal with both, one after the other (would expect there to be a period of overlap where we start to get the country back on its feet but are still dealing with smaller pockets of covid)

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"They might be right, they might be wrong but somebody has to speak up for all the people who are being damaged by non stop lockdowns. There are always at least 2 sides to every story.

Lockdowns are a ‘necessary evil’ I am afraid . I can’t think of a better solution at this moment in time

And that's the exact problem. Nobody has thought of a better idea or a better system.

What we are doing now isn't sustainable in the long run and theres been no long term plan, no exit plan and no criteria for ending lockdown.

The damage being caused by constant lockdowns can't be ignored."

Then you have proven my point, lockdowns are awful but they are better than the alternative

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"They might be right, they might be wrong but somebody has to speak up for all the people who are being damaged by non stop lockdowns. There are always at least 2 sides to every story.

Lockdowns are a ‘necessary evil’ I am afraid . I can’t think of a better solution at this moment in time

And that's the exact problem. Nobody has thought of a better idea or a better system.

What we are doing now isn't sustainable in the long run and theres been no long term plan, no exit plan and no criteria for ending lockdown.

The damage being caused by constant lockdowns can't be ignored.

i don’t think we should ignore them but we don’t have to be in a deal with this or deal with that mindset

we can deal with both, one after the other (would expect there to be a period of overlap where we start to get the country back on its feet but are still dealing with smaller pockets of covid) "

and if they don’t have people in the cabinet already working on the “what we do next to recover” part then they are failing even worse than most of us already think they are ... i know we are run by an incompetent bunch but even i would hope they aren’t that slow on the uptake

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

op left site, thread should be closed , and the 63 MP's named, so either public can support or shame as they feel is appropriate

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

O o O oo

It does seem unreasonable to us to give out permanent bans without warning based solely on opinions. Surely it would be more appropriate to issue a warning and remove the post?

I am not sure why people believe this to happen

You would get a perm for having many bans or posted something that is way too bad to be on the site.

As the man has gone, I can tell you he didn't get a ban but the people discussing when bans shouldn't be given out on the forum are breaking rules. If you have feedback about bans it should be given to Admin from the contact link

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

O o O oo

Back to the OP

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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Whatever figures they give out there will be a high percentage of people who will not question them.

I'm not a nonbeliever, or antivaxxer etc I'm just a regular person that has an instinct to question things.

I think it's time we saw a LOT more transparency on the government's actions and publish all statistics."

So about 1 in 6 Conservatives have this opinion.... hardly ground breaking.

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By *reyyaMan over a year ago

North Yorkshire

How is it possible that influenza deaths are the lowest for 130 years? Is it because the Covid 19 germs are gobbling up the influenza germs?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"How is it possible that influenza deaths are the lowest for 130 years? Is it because the Covid 19 germs are gobbling up the influenza germs? "

higher than usual uptake of influenza vaccine last year, increased levels of hand hygiene and the first time in 130 years that everyone was social distanced and staying home most of the flu season could be a few reasons that make more scientific sense than covid gobbling up anything

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"How is it possible that influenza deaths are the lowest for 130 years? Is it because the Covid 19 germs are gobbling up the influenza germs? "

No,

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By *ocbigMan over a year ago

Birmingham

"Bit of a shame, but I guess there would never be an answer to the lovely ‘but why’ question, excellent take down by the way..

i might be overthinking into the connotations of the words take down but i wasn’t trying to belittle anyone

i was just trying to explain that if you want to tell someone their view is flawed and wrong you kind of have to have a reason for that which you are willing to state and back up ...

just saying someone is wrong and calling them childish for asking why you think they are wrong followed by i don’t have to tell you what my view is ... well thats not really a reasoned debate is it "

It is not & I didn’t mean to imply you were belittling the poster, I meant it in a point by point take down, dismantling the argument brick by brick in a logical way with no personal attack, just a reasoned exchange...but met with not much really.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"How is it possible that influenza deaths are the lowest for 130 years? Is it because the Covid 19 germs are gobbling up the influenza germs? "

Nope

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By *mateur100Man over a year ago

nr faversham

It's because any death within 28 days of a positive covid test is recorded as a covid death, irrelevant of other circumstances, illness or ailment

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By *ad NannaWoman over a year ago

East London

"How is it possible that influenza deaths are the lowest for 130 years? Is it because the Covid 19 germs are gobbling up the influenza germs? "

Covid got to them first.

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By *reyyaMan over a year ago

North Yorkshire

Some people are not well-equipped mentally to cope with this house arrest, this imprisonment.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Some people are not well-equipped mentally to cope with this house arrest, this imprisonment. "

agreed , and there should be additional support in place to mitigate this

i dont think its a strong enough argument to just scrap lockdown however

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Tell them they’ll be held responsible for any increase in deaths and that they’ll get sacked and lose their pensions if it happens. The lot will crawl back under they’re rocks.

Most MP’s aren’t that clever and only spout what they’ve been told to by their business interests

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By *mmabluTV/TS over a year ago

upton wirral

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Whatever figures they give out there will be a high percentage of people who will not question them.

I'm not a nonbeliever, or antivaxxer etc I'm just a regular person that has an instinct to question things.

I think it's time we saw a LOT more transparency on the government's actions and publish all statistics."
So what Boris has an 80 majority and the backing of labour

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By *mmabluTV/TS over a year ago

upton wirral

"Some people are not well-equipped mentally to cope with this house arrest, this imprisonment. "
Thats there problem and hard luck for them

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Some people are not well-equipped mentally to cope with this house arrest, this imprisonment. Thats there problem and hard luck for them"

Thats a horrible thing to say.

Most of us are not well equipped to be completely isolated for months on end from our friends and family.

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By *mmabluTV/TS over a year ago

upton wirral

"Some people are not well-equipped mentally to cope with this house arrest, this imprisonment. Thats there problem and hard luck for them

Thats a horrible thing to say.

Most of us are not well equipped to be completely isolated for months on end from our friends and family."
It is an excuse sorry cannot sympathise as you have the internet a phone etc you are not alone.Also you have films TV in this society we are rarely alone.I have had more contact with people since I have been isolated.

It is not perfect but people should count there blessings.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Some people are not well-equipped mentally to cope with this house arrest, this imprisonment. Thats there problem and hard luck for them

Thats a horrible thing to say.

Most of us are not well equipped to be completely isolated for months on end from our friends and family.It is an excuse sorry cannot sympathise as you have the internet a phone etc you are not alone.Also you have films TV in this society we are rarely alone.I have had more contact with people since I have been isolated.

It is not perfect but people should count there blessings."

I don't understand the lack of empathy to be honest because yes we can contact friends on the phone and yes other people have it worse but it doesn't mean people can't be struggling and I think that's quite an unhelpful attitude to have.

Just because some have it worse doesn't mean others can't struggle.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Some people are not well-equipped mentally to cope with this house arrest, this imprisonment. Thats there problem and hard luck for them

Thats a horrible thing to say.

It is not perfect but people should count there blessings.

Just because some have it worse doesn't mean others can't struggle."

agreed

and recognising people are struggling doesn’t mean get rid of lockdown either if that is the worry - we know its a necessary evil but can still appreciate its a bloody crap time

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By *mmabluTV/TS over a year ago

upton wirral

"Some people are not well-equipped mentally to cope with this house arrest, this imprisonment. Thats there problem and hard luck for them

Thats a horrible thing to say.

It is not perfect but people should count there blessings.

Just because some have it worse doesn't mean others can't struggle."
There are some genuine cases of people suffering I exept but for most it nonsense.

I am never politically correct.

I have someone in my road who has nobody and is 80 odd but I talk to her everyday allways listen I try to help her.Maybe a few others should look at those worse off than themselves and stop being so selfish and moaning.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Some people are not well-equipped mentally to cope with this house arrest, this imprisonment. Thats there problem and hard luck for them

Thats a horrible thing to say.

It is not perfect but people should count there blessings.

Just because some have it worse doesn't mean others can't struggle.There are some genuine cases of people suffering I exept but for most it nonsense.

I am never politically correct.

Everybody who is struggling is a valid case it doesn't matter whether you think they should be struggling.

It's not about political correctness is about being compassionate.

Its Great that you talk to your Neighbour and I'm sorry that she feels alone but I'm not gonna apologise for struggling because I haven't been able to see my friends and family for nearly ayear.

I am all for lockdown I am also or for people being compassionate.

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By *ob198XaMan over a year ago

teleford

This is not challenged.

My neighbour knows this first hand as her father died of MS and they have put Covid which she is legally challenging now."

No. They put Covid on death very only where someone has tested positive either in life or prior to a post mortem. Only in the first weeks did Covid go on any certs without having been a positive test. There will be some false positives in that but it’s a tiny proportion

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

I am curious to know how death are caused by lockdown. I keep hearing about them but no one cared to explain how these deaths are caused.

I think there is an argument that the likes of suicides has gone up and people have died of other illnesses, because the focus has been on covid

i think for many that committed suicide lockdown / job loss will have been the straw that broke the camels back so to speak

because its such an emotive subject people dont want to consider that without covid there may have been a different straw

but i guess if what you say about the numbers not actually increasing is true then it must follow that without covid something else would have caused it

However pre covid I dont remember such people being up in arms about peope losing their jobs,families thrown on the scrap heap.

I just think there are ulterior motives at play."

These people are driven by ideology, not scientific research evidence. And they have no track record in working to improve the health of the masses. The opposite in fact, where their track record has been to impose substantial reductions in the public services that most of us see as essential, whether cuts to public health services, including the NHS, care services, the Sure Start programme, thus harming our youngest citizens' wellbeing and education, devastating cuts to local authorities' budgets - predominantly in poorer areas, affecting health and care services, all reflective of a few of what they stand for.

Why would anyone listen to a small bunch of self-aggrandising unknowns, imposing a rabid ideological agenda that's devoid of the very thing that should be driving a health crisis! Scientific evidence, especially that which is based on medical research and competence. These are charlatan nobodies, without any interest in the health of the citizens that they should serve. There's plenty that we're learning from the past year and a major aspect of that is that we were not cautious enough, when we relaxed restrictions, which caused many tens of thousands of needless infections and deaths.

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By *agneto.Man over a year ago

Bham

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By *agneto.Man over a year ago

Bham

Have these backbenchers not been contacted about the great reset? They need to get on message. They are going to ruin it for the secret not so secret plan to enslave the human race which was published by the WEF.

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By *ust RachelTV/TS over a year ago

Horsham

They may sound a little extreme but I imagine they don’t expect to get what they ask for and are going for a haggling position, expecting to be knocked down to a more realistic position.

Open the shops as normal, staff will go off sick with covid leaving the store to close due to lack of staff.

No win situation, except less people get the virus when the shop is closed.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

They may sound a little extreme but I imagine they don’t expect to get what they ask for and are going for a haggling position, expecting to be knocked down to a more realistic position.

Open the shops as normal, staff will go off sick with covid leaving the store to close due to lack of staff.

No win situation, except less people get the virus when the shop is closed."

Yet I have worked in a shop since lockdown 1. We’ve had a single confirmed case, never shut once throughout the pandemic and have had, at most 4 people isolate before receiving negative tests. Shoos should be opening now. Time to rescue peoples livlihoods.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

They may sound a little extreme but I imagine they don’t expect to get what they ask for and are going for a haggling position, expecting to be knocked down to a more realistic position.

Open the shops as normal, staff will go off sick with covid leaving the store to close due to lack of staff.

No win situation, except less people get the virus when the shop is closed.

You've been fucking lucky then.

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By *D835Man over a year ago

London

They may sound a little extreme but I imagine they don’t expect to get what they ask for and are going for a haggling position, expecting to be knocked down to a more realistic position.

Open the shops as normal, staff will go off sick with covid leaving the store to close due to lack of staff.

No win situation, except less people get the virus when the shop is closed.

Shops will open eventually, nobody said lockdown will go on forever.

There are benchmarks and targets to be set before we can re-open safely.

February is too early to contemplate lifting lockdown.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

They may sound a little extreme but I imagine they don’t expect to get what they ask for and are going for a haggling position, expecting to be knocked down to a more realistic position.

Open the shops as normal, staff will go off sick with covid leaving the store to close due to lack of staff.

No win situation, except less people get the virus when the shop is closed.

Shops will open eventually, nobody said lockdown will go on forever.

There are benchmarks and targets to be set before we can re-open safely.

February is too early to contemplate lifting lockdown. "

Disagree entirely. Cases are lower than they’ve been for nearly 6 months. We’re 100% in a place where we can consider small improvements to people’s lives.

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By *ob198XaMan over a year ago

teleford

They may sound a little extreme but I imagine they don’t expect to get what they ask for and are going for a haggling position, expecting to be knocked down to a more realistic position.

Open the shops as normal, staff will go off sick with covid leaving the store to close due to lack of staff.

No win situation, except less people get the virus when the shop is closed.

Shops will open eventually, nobody said lockdown will go on forever.

There are benchmarks and targets to be set before we can re-open safely.

February is too early to contemplate lifting lockdown.

Disagree entirely. Cases are lower than they’ve been for nearly 6 months. We’re 100% in a place where we can consider small improvements to people’s lives."

Lower than for 6 months? Really

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

They may sound a little extreme but I imagine they don’t expect to get what they ask for and are going for a haggling position, expecting to be knocked down to a more realistic position.

Open the shops as normal, staff will go off sick with covid leaving the store to close due to lack of staff.

No win situation, except less people get the virus when the shop is closed.

Shops will open eventually, nobody said lockdown will go on forever.

There are benchmarks and targets to be set before we can re-open safely.

February is too early to contemplate lifting lockdown.

Disagree entirely. Cases are lower than they’ve been for nearly 6 months. We’re 100% in a place where we can consider small improvements to people’s lives.

Lower than for 6 months? Really

Sorry poor maths, 5 months. Cases have been higher than they are now since October.

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman over a year ago

On a mooch

They may sound a little extreme but I imagine they don’t expect to get what they ask for and are going for a haggling position, expecting to be knocked down to a more realistic position.

Open the shops as normal, staff will go off sick with covid leaving the store to close due to lack of staff.

No win situation, except less people get the virus when the shop is closed.

Shops will open eventually, nobody said lockdown will go on forever.

There are benchmarks and targets to be set before we can re-open safely.

February is too early to contemplate lifting lockdown.

Disagree entirely. Cases are lower than they’ve been for nearly 6 months. We’re 100% in a place where we can consider small improvements to people’s lives.

Lower than for 6 months? Really

Sorry poor maths, 5 months. Cases have been higher than they are now since October."

Depends where you are, still higher here than sept / October

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

They may sound a little extreme but I imagine they don’t expect to get what they ask for and are going for a haggling position, expecting to be knocked down to a more realistic position.

Open the shops as normal, staff will go off sick with covid leaving the store to close due to lack of staff.

No win situation, except less people get the virus when the shop is closed.

Shops will open eventually, nobody said lockdown will go on forever.

There are benchmarks and targets to be set before we can re-open safely.

February is too early to contemplate lifting lockdown.

Disagree entirely. Cases are lower than they’ve been for nearly 6 months. We’re 100% in a place where we can consider small improvements to people’s lives.

Lower than for 6 months? Really

Sorry poor maths, 5 months. Cases have been higher than they are now since October.

Depends where you are, still higher here than sept / October "

That’s irrelevant now as we’re no longer doing localised tiers, only the country as a whole.

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman over a year ago

On a mooch

They may sound a little extreme but I imagine they don’t expect to get what they ask for and are going for a haggling position, expecting to be knocked down to a more realistic position.

Open the shops as normal, staff will go off sick with covid leaving the store to close due to lack of staff.

No win situation, except less people get the virus when the shop is closed.

Shops will open eventually, nobody said lockdown will go on forever.

There are benchmarks and targets to be set before we can re-open safely.

February is too early to contemplate lifting lockdown.

Disagree entirely. Cases are lower than they’ve been for nearly 6 months. We’re 100% in a place where we can consider small improvements to people’s lives.

Lower than for 6 months? Really

Sorry poor maths, 5 months. Cases have been higher than they are now since October.

Depends where you are, still higher here than sept / October

That’s irrelevant now as we’re no longer doing localised tiers, only the country as a whole. "

So how can you say that is irrelevant if numbers are still higher in some areas than they were 6 months ago, makes no sense that statement

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

I'm in favour of entirely ignoring the CRG and anyone like them.

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