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"Jacinda Arden posted a video today, at a large BBQ. No social distancing l, no masks, no new local cases for weeks. It made me a-bit emotional. Yes it’s unfair to compare NZ handling of the pandemic with the UKs. The population difference and density one factor, but the most obvious is that NZ have a competent leader " If you take just England-we are 6th most densely populated country in the world | |||
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"Jacinda Arden posted a video today, at a large BBQ. No social distancing l, no masks, no new local cases for weeks. It made me a-bit emotional. Yes it’s unfair to compare NZ handling of the pandemic with the UKs. The population difference and density one factor, but the most obvious is that NZ have a competent leader " Yep since trump has gone...its a toss up between us and North Korea who is the clown of the world... | |||
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"Jacinda Arden posted a video today, at a large BBQ. No social distancing l, no masks, no new local cases for weeks. It made me a-bit emotional. Yes it’s unfair to compare NZ handling of the pandemic with the UKs. The population difference and density one factor, but the most obvious is that NZ have a competent leader Yep since trump has gone...its a toss up between us and North Korea who is the clown of the world..." #winning | |||
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"Jacinda Arden posted a video today, at a large BBQ. No social distancing l, no masks, no new local cases for weeks. It made me a-bit emotional. Yes it’s unfair to compare NZ handling of the pandemic with the UKs. The population difference and density one factor, but the most obvious is that NZ have a competent leader If you take just England-we are 6th most densely populated country in the world " Yes ok. The UK is wildly incompetent because the outback exists, New Zealand is small and far away, insert any other excuse here. Nice barbecue. Wish we had that sort of competent leadership. | |||
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"Jacinda Arden posted a video today, at a large BBQ. No social distancing l, no masks, no new local cases for weeks. It made me a-bit emotional. Yes it’s unfair to compare NZ handling of the pandemic with the UKs. The population difference and density one factor, but the most obvious is that NZ have a competent leader Yep since trump has gone...its a toss up between us and North Korea who is the clown of the world..." It's a 3 way, with Brazil's Bolsonaro, North Korea and the Eton narcissist | |||
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"Jacinda Arden posted a video today, at a large BBQ. No social distancing l, no masks, no new local cases for weeks. It made me a-bit emotional. Yes it’s unfair to compare NZ handling of the pandemic with the UKs. The population difference and density one factor, but the most obvious is that NZ have a competent leader If you take just England-we are 6th most densely populated country in the world Yes ok. The UK is wildly incompetent because the outback exists, New Zealand is small and far away, insert any other excuse here. Nice barbecue. Wish we had that sort of competent leadership." Funny how high density was not an issue when we were comparing ourselves favourable with our European friends. | |||
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"Jacinda Arden posted a video today, at a large BBQ. No social distancing l, no masks, no new local cases for weeks. It made me a-bit emotional. Yes it’s unfair to compare NZ handling of the pandemic with the UKs. The population difference and density one factor, but the most obvious is that NZ have a competent leader If you take just England-we are 6th most densely populated country in the world Yes ok. The UK is wildly incompetent because the outback exists, New Zealand is small and far away, insert any other excuse here. Nice barbecue. Wish we had that sort of competent leadership. Funny how high density was not an issue when we were comparing ourselves favourable with our European friends." Lol | |||
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"Jacinda Arden posted a video today, at a large BBQ. No social distancing l, no masks, no new local cases for weeks. It made me a-bit emotional. Yes it’s unfair to compare NZ handling of the pandemic with the UKs. The population difference and density one factor, but the most obvious is that NZ have a competent leader If you take just England-we are 6th most densely populated country in the world " The population density argument is often used in defence of the terrible death figures that the UK has, however if you look at Japan, Vietnam, South Korea and Thailand - they have all performed so much better than us. Europe as a whole has been very poor but the death rate in the UK is appalling and we did not and still have not used the most important advantage we have——— that we are an island. We could easily bubble up with Ireland. | |||
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"Jacinda Arden posted a video today, at a large BBQ. No social distancing l, no masks, no new local cases for weeks. It made me a-bit emotional. Yes it’s unfair to compare NZ handling of the pandemic with the UKs. The population difference and density one factor, but the most obvious is that NZ have a competent leader If you take just England-we are 6th most densely populated country in the world The population density argument is often used in defence of the terrible death figures that the UK has, however if you look at Japan, Vietnam, South Korea and Thailand - they have all performed so much better than us. Europe as a whole has been very poor but the death rate in the UK is appalling and we did not and still have not used the most important advantage we have——— that we are an island. We could easily bubble up with Ireland." Also consider that the average Japanese, Korean, Vietnamese person is probably healthier, less obese and more resistant to poor health than the average Brit. | |||
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"Jacinda Arden posted a video today, at a large BBQ. No social distancing l, no masks, no new local cases for weeks. It made me a-bit emotional. Yes it’s unfair to compare NZ handling of the pandemic with the UKs. The population difference and density one factor, but the most obvious is that NZ have a competent leader If you take just England-we are 6th most densely populated country in the world " Absolute bullshit!! | |||
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"All the countries you quote are nowhere near England’s density 60 million plus in 50k sq miles , USA population is 328 million in 3.8 M sq miles to bring into context how we are all crammed in England." So you're saying you think the government have done a good job? All these lockdowns and masks, you secretly love it or something? | |||
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"The population by sq km thing ignores the urban effect and high concentrations of a population in a small number of places. Both Brazil and USA are good examples. Huge countries but with high concentrations near the coast. Don’t have figures to hand but England too has a high proportion of our population concentrated in several urban centres. Heck London alone accounts for a huge chunk of England’s population." Ditto Australia, which is why the population density argument is 
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3320021/amp/Maps-just-Australia-really-population-clings-coast-jams-tiny-urban-clusters.html
Yes yes a bunch of space exists where barely anyone lives. So what? | |||
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"To add - a better comparison would be infection and death rates by major cities around the World." It would be a better comparison, its amazing how all those countries with miles and miles of empty spaces and no people have managed to get incredibly low death rates. Its almost like having loads of people in the same space increases infection rates. How can that be.? but don't let balance and facts get in the way of yet more whining and blood letting. Some people are so negative about their chosen country. | |||
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"To add - a better comparison would be infection and death rates by major cities around the World. It would be a better comparison, its amazing how all those countries with miles and miles of empty spaces and no people have managed to get incredibly low death rates. Its almost like having loads of people in the same space increases infection rates. How can that be.? but don't let balance and facts get in the way of yet more whining and blood letting. Some people are so negative about their chosen country. " It is also why poorer demographics are being disproportionally impacted by covid: 1. More likely to do jobs that cannot be done from home (inc manual labour, retail, care/health worker) 2. More likely to live in high density housing (flats, no gardens etc) | |||
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"The population by sq km thing ignores the urban effect and high concentrations of a population in a small number of places. Both Brazil and USA are good examples. Huge countries but with high concentrations near the coast. Don’t have figures to hand but England too has a high proportion of our population concentrated in several urban centres. Heck London alone accounts for a huge chunk of England’s population. Ditto Australia, which is why the population density argument is
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3320021/amp/Maps-just-Australia-really-population-clings-coast-jams-tiny-urban-clusters.html
Yes yes a bunch of space exists where barely anyone lives. So what?"Lived in Oz for a while. My god that is a BIG empty place once you head inland. Almost scarily so! | |||
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"Jacinda Arden posted a video today, at a large BBQ. No social distancing l, no masks, no new local cases for weeks. It made me a-bit emotional. Yes it’s unfair to compare NZ handling of the pandemic with the UKs. The population difference and density one factor, but the most obvious is that NZ have a competent leader If you take just England-we are 6th most densely populated country in the world Absolute bullshit!!" Have you any fact to support that assertion "Bullshit" ??? England I stress England not UK is the 2nd most densely populated country in Europe 2nd to Netherlands. England at 435 pouple per sq km are per 2019 census. Don't know exactly where that places us in th world but we are pretty high (population per sq km). Shortly after wide-spread recognition NZ locked down the borders no one in or out - NZ has as have been said has as very low and widespread density of population but their health system would have collapsed according to their PM. UK is a an international hub and we have a lot of International traffic and import a large proportion of goods so shutting down borders like NZ would have been impossible as NZ is a lot more self sufficient. With these facts and density of population we would have been hit hard who ever was in charge | |||
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"To add - a better comparison would be infection and death rates by major cities around the World. It would be a better comparison, its amazing how all those countries with miles and miles of empty spaces and no people have managed to get incredibly low death rates. Its almost like having loads of people in the same space increases infection rates. How can that be.? but don't let balance and facts get in the way of yet more whining and blood letting. Some people are so negative about their chosen country. " I want my community to survive and thrive. Where I've chosen to live. Heavens above how strange. Caring about where you live and being invested in its success. Are you saying that population density in Australian cities is less likely to contribute to disease spread because empty space exists? If so why, and what sense does that make? | |||
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"Jacinda Arden posted a video today, at a large BBQ. No social distancing l, no masks, no new local cases for weeks. It made me a-bit emotional. Yes it’s unfair to compare NZ handling of the pandemic with the UKs. The population difference and density one factor, but the most obvious is that NZ have a competent leader If you take just England-we are 6th most densely populated country in the world Absolute bullshit!! Have you any fact to support that assertion "Bullshit" ??? England I stress England not UK is the 2nd most densely populated country in Europe 2nd to Netherlands. England at 435 pouple per sq km are per 2019 census. Don't know exactly where that places us in th world but we are pretty high (population per sq km). Shortly after wide-spread recognition NZ locked down the borders no one in or out - NZ has as have been said has as very low and widespread density of population but their health system would have collapsed according to their PM. UK is a an international hub and we have a lot of International traffic and import a large proportion of goods so shutting down borders like NZ would have been impossible as NZ is a lot more self sufficient. With these facts and density of population we would have been hit hard who ever was in charge" And there we have it It wasnt handled badly Its because we have too many people . | |||
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"Jacinda Arden posted a video today, at a large BBQ. No social distancing l, no masks, no new local cases for weeks. It made me a-bit emotional. Yes it’s unfair to compare NZ handling of the pandemic with the UKs. The population difference and density one factor, but the most obvious is that NZ have a competent leader If you take just England-we are 6th most densely populated country in the world Absolute bullshit!! Have you any fact to support that assertion "Bullshit" ??? England I stress England not UK is the 2nd most densely populated country in Europe 2nd to Netherlands. England at 435 pouple per sq km are per 2019 census. Don't know exactly where that places us in th world but we are pretty high (population per sq km). Shortly after wide-spread recognition NZ locked down the borders no one in or out - NZ has as have been said has as very low and widespread density of population but their health system would have collapsed according to their PM. UK is a an international hub and we have a lot of International traffic and import a large proportion of goods so shutting down borders like NZ would have been impossible as NZ is a lot more self sufficient. With these facts and density of population we would have been hit hard who ever was in charge" So shut all non essential travel, make travel approval only, and subject trade to high biosecurity. I refuse to believe it can't be done. I like to think the UK is... competent. | |||
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" Yep since trump has gone...its a toss up between us and North Korea who is the clown of the world..." Yes but just imagine if Boris had not won the Election  | |||
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"Jacinda Arden posted a video today, at a large BBQ. No social distancing l, no masks, no new local cases for weeks. It made me a-bit emotional. Yes it’s unfair to compare NZ handling of the pandemic with the UKs. The population difference and density one factor, but the most obvious is that NZ have a competent leader If you take just England-we are 6th most densely populated country in the world Absolute bullshit!! Have you any fact to support that assertion "Bullshit" ??? England I stress England not UK is the 2nd most densely populated country in Europe 2nd to Netherlands. England at 435 pouple per sq km are per 2019 census. Don't know exactly where that places us in th world but we are pretty high (population per sq km). Shortly after wide-spread recognition NZ locked down the borders no one in or out - NZ has as have been said has as very low and widespread density of population but their health system would have collapsed according to their PM. UK is a an international hub and we have a lot of International traffic and import a large proportion of goods so shutting down borders like NZ would have been impossible as NZ is a lot more self sufficient. With these facts and density of population we would have been hit hard who ever was in charge And there we have it It wasnt handled badly Its because we have too many people ." Come on people read what is written instead of just writing what you want to say... Otherwise debate is pointless. I haven't seen anyone say its been handled well on here and Equally it's not just down to one person. | |||
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"All the countries you quote are nowhere near England’s density 60 million plus in 50k sq miles , USA population is 328 million in 3.8 M sq miles to bring into context how we are all crammed in England. So you're saying you think the government have done a good job? All these lockdowns and masks, you secretly love it or something?" It was always going to be doomed as so many people just went and broke any rule that was put in place. Having parties crowding into beauty spots ect | |||
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"Jacinda Arden posted a video today, at a large BBQ. No social distancing l, no masks, no new local cases for weeks. It made me a-bit emotional. Yes it’s unfair to compare NZ handling of the pandemic with the UKs. The population difference and density one factor, but the most obvious is that NZ have a competent leader If you take just England-we are 6th most densely populated country in the world Absolute bullshit!! Have you any fact to support that assertion "Bullshit" ??? England I stress England not UK is the 2nd most densely populated country in Europe 2nd to Netherlands. England at 435 pouple per sq km are per 2019 census. Don't know exactly where that places us in th world but we are pretty high (population per sq km). Shortly after wide-spread recognition NZ locked down the borders no one in or out - NZ has as have been said has as very low and widespread density of population but their health system would have collapsed according to their PM. UK is a an international hub and we have a lot of International traffic and import a large proportion of goods so shutting down borders like NZ would have been impossible as NZ is a lot more self sufficient. With these facts and density of population we would have been hit hard who ever was in charge And there we have it It wasnt handled badly Its because we have too many people . Come on people read what is written instead of just writing what you want to say... Otherwise debate is pointless. I haven't seen anyone say its been handled well on here and Equally it's not just down to one person. " We would have been hit hard whenever was in charge? We are one of the most wealthy counties in the world We had already planned for the pandemic We are an island We saw how it China and europe We knew it was coming We have a national health service We had practically every advantage under the sun. Im sorry but to say we were going have one of the worst death rates whatever happened is utter nonsense. | |||
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"Comparing New Zealand or Australia with the UK is like comparing Apples with Potatoes! We have family in both NZ and AUS and if you want to speak with your neighbour it is a long walk, a short drive or a telephone call as they are quite some distance apart. Social distancing is not a problem over there like it is here and our climates are vastly different. According to virologist experts, the vaccine thrives in our type of climate! " I assume they don't live in a major city 
Hi, I'm from Sydney originally, and the population density argument is bullshit.
It's a bit like saying "the outer Hebrides exist, so London's population density shouldn't contribute to disease spread"... Except more ridiculous than that. | |||
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"Comparing New Zealand or Australia with the UK is like comparing Apples with Potatoes! We have family in both NZ and AUS and if you want to speak with your neighbour it is a long walk, a short drive or a telephone call as they are quite some distance apart. Social distancing is not a problem over there like it is here and our climates are vastly different. According to virologist experts, the vaccine thrives in our type of climate! " Apart from the big cities here..are we that densely populated? And even in the cities.. london is in a league of their own The likes of cornwall..Cumbria.. yorhksire are hardly sprawling conurbations. | |||
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"Country wide population densities prove nothing either way. If there are 435 people per square KM in England than we should have no problem maintaining 2 meters from each other. Japan for instance, has a density of 340 per KM, yet they have 116 million people living in an urban environment, A vast amount of Japan is not habitable due to being mountains, so that's 60 million more people than in the UK living in cities. 91% of Japanese live in an urban area, in the UK it's 83% and only 56.5 million living in an urban area... Much more densely populated towns and cities, much less covid... Of course, the we've done as well as we could brigade don't want to compare any country that makes our figures look a shambles. Which is most of them. Oh not our country, have you no pride... forever answering the questions with the hypothetical, who could have done better. " I want my chosen country to flourish. Giving ourselves participation trophies and telling ourselves we're wonderful fixes fucking nothing. | |||
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"Comparing New Zealand or Australia with the UK is like comparing Apples with Potatoes! We have family in both NZ and AUS and if you want to speak with your neighbour it is a long walk, a short drive or a telephone call as they are quite some distance apart. Social distancing is not a problem over there like it is here and our climates are vastly different. According to virologist experts, the vaccine thrives in our type of climate! I assume they don't live in a major city
Hi, I'm from Sydney originally, and the population density argument is bullshit.
It's a bit like saying "the outer Hebrides exist, so London's population density shouldn't contribute to disease spread"... Except more ridiculous than that."Do we have a different climate to the rest of northern Europe? | |||
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"Comparing New Zealand or Australia with the UK is like comparing Apples with Potatoes! We have family in both NZ and AUS and if you want to speak with your neighbour it is a long walk, a short drive or a telephone call as they are quite some distance apart. Social distancing is not a problem over there like it is here and our climates are vastly different. According to virologist experts, the vaccine thrives in our type of climate! I assume they don't live in a major city
Hi, I'm from Sydney originally, and the population density argument is bullshit.
It's a bit like saying "the outer Hebrides exist, so London's population density shouldn't contribute to disease spread"... Except more ridiculous than that.
Do we have a different climate to the rest of northern Europe?"Milder if anything. So less bad for the virus?  | |||
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"Comparing New Zealand or Australia with the UK is like comparing Apples with Potatoes! We have family in both NZ and AUS and if you want to speak with your neighbour it is a long walk, a short drive or a telephone call as they are quite some distance apart. Social distancing is not a problem over there like it is here and our climates are vastly different. According to virologist experts, the vaccine thrives in our type of climate! I assume they don't live in a major city
Hi, I'm from Sydney originally, and the population density argument is bullshit.
It's a bit like saying "the outer Hebrides exist, so London's population density shouldn't contribute to disease spread"... Except more ridiculous than that.
Do we have a different climate to the rest of northern Europe?
Milder if anything.
So less bad for the virus? "Obvs We must have a uniquely unsceptible climate allied with a uniquely dense population. How unlucky are we? | |||
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"Comparing New Zealand or Australia with the UK is like comparing Apples with Potatoes! We have family in both NZ and AUS and if you want to speak with your neighbour it is a long walk, a short drive or a telephone call as they are quite some distance apart. Social distancing is not a problem over there like it is here and our climates are vastly different. According to virologist experts, the vaccine thrives in our type of climate! Apart from the big cities here..are we that densely populated? And even in the cities.. london is in a league of their own The likes of cornwall..Cumbria.. yorhksire are hardly sprawling conurbations. " Yes we are an extremely densely populated country... Google will help you find those facts. | |||
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" Do we have a different climate to the rest of northern Europe? Milder if anything. So less bad for the virus? "Apologies, I will pay more attention here rather than listening to the experts! | |||
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"Comparing New Zealand or Australia with the UK is like comparing Apples with Potatoes! We have family in both NZ and AUS and if you want to speak with your neighbour it is a long walk, a short drive or a telephone call as they are quite some distance apart. Social distancing is not a problem over there like it is here and our climates are vastly different. According to virologist experts, the vaccine thrives in our type of climate! I assume they don't live in a major city
Hi, I'm from Sydney originally, and the population density argument is bullshit.
It's a bit like saying "the outer Hebrides exist, so London's population density shouldn't contribute to disease spread"... Except more ridiculous than that.
Do we have a different climate to the rest of northern Europe?
Milder if anything.
So less bad for the virus?
Obvs
We must have a uniquely unsceptible climate allied with a uniquely dense population.
How unlucky are we?
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"Jacinda Arden posted a video today, at a large BBQ. No social distancing l, no masks, no new local cases for weeks. It made me a-bit emotional. Yes it’s unfair to compare NZ handling of the pandemic with the UKs. The population difference and density one factor, but the most obvious is that NZ have a competent leader If you take just England-we are 6th most densely populated country in the world Absolute bullshit!! Have you any fact to support that assertion "Bullshit" ??? England I stress England not UK is the 2nd most densely populated country in Europe 2nd to Netherlands. England at 435 pouple per sq km are per 2019 census. Don't know exactly where that places us in th world but we are pretty high (population per sq km). Shortly after wide-spread recognition NZ locked down the borders no one in or out - NZ has as have been said has as very low and widespread density of population but their health system would have collapsed according to their PM. UK is a an international hub and we have a lot of International traffic and import a large proportion of goods so shutting down borders like NZ would have been impossible as NZ is a lot more self sufficient. With these facts and density of population we would have been hit hard who ever was in charge And there we have it It wasnt handled badly Its because we have too many people ." Haven't said it hasn't been handled badly, and a lot of people have believed the rules didn't apply to them. Trouble is there are always those who think they could have done better cos they don't have to prove they could have, point fingers. Politicians who suffered an embarrassing crushing defeat in in 2019 election who are going out of their way to undermine government at every opportunity cos they hope they can overthrow the existing government majority in the 2024 election. Simple the truth there the UK is subject many unique overlapping factors that have played a major part in the spread, cases and deaths which are unavoidable. Others have just exacerbated the situation. People love to point fingers rather than take responsibility. | |||
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"All the countries you quote are nowhere near England’s density 60 million plus in 50k sq miles , USA population is 328 million in 3.8 M sq miles to bring into context how we are all crammed in England. So you're saying you think the government have done a good job? All these lockdowns and masks, you secretly love it or something?" Actually all we motioned was population density, what your seeing god only knows , but fact Is 6th most densely populated country is as of now true | |||
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"Jacinda Arden posted a video today, at a large BBQ. No social distancing l, no masks, no new local cases for weeks. It made me a-bit emotional. Yes it’s unfair to compare NZ handling of the pandemic with the UKs. The population difference and density one factor, but the most obvious is that NZ have a competent leader If you take just England-we are 6th most densely populated country in the world Absolute bullshit!! Have you any fact to support that assertion "Bullshit" ??? England I stress England not UK is the 2nd most densely populated country in Europe 2nd to Netherlands. England at 435 pouple per sq km are per 2019 census. Don't know exactly where that places us in th world but we are pretty high (population per sq km). Shortly after wide-spread recognition NZ locked down the borders no one in or out - NZ has as have been said has as very low and widespread density of population but their health system would have collapsed according to their PM. UK is a an international hub and we have a lot of International traffic and import a large proportion of goods so shutting down borders like NZ would have been impossible as NZ is a lot more self sufficient. With these facts and density of population we would have been hit hard who ever was in charge And there we have it It wasnt handled badly Its because we have too many people . Haven't said it hasn't been handled badly, and a lot of people have believed the rules didn't apply to them. Trouble is there are always those who think they could have done better cos they don't have to prove they could have, point fingers. Politicians who suffered an embarrassing crushing defeat in in 2019 election who are going out of their way to undermine government at every opportunity cos they hope they can overthrow the existing government majority in the 2024 election. Simple the truth there the UK is subject many unique overlapping factors that have played a major part in the spread, cases and deaths which are unavoidable. Others have just exacerbated the situation. People love to point fingers rather than take responsibility." The only person I can control is myself. I do. Why are we then not allowed to look at things like clear messaging, public trust, consistency, timing of lockdown and lockdown ending, assisting schools, enough PPE for the NHS, the fact that the NHS had been cut way back for years before this? Labour haven't been in power for over ten years now. Blaming them is utterly absurd. I just want the government to bloody govern properly. (and people to abide by rules that make sense in the circumstances) | |||
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"All the countries you quote are nowhere near England’s density 60 million plus in 50k sq miles , USA population is 328 million in 3.8 M sq miles to bring into context how we are all crammed in England. So you're saying you think the government have done a good job? All these lockdowns and masks, you secretly love it or something? Actually all we motioned was population density, what your seeing god only knows , but fact Is 6th most densely populated country is as of now true " See above for reasons why the argument is a lot of rubbish. | |||
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"Jacinda Arden posted a video today, at a large BBQ. No social distancing l, no masks, no new local cases for weeks. It made me a-bit emotional. Yes it’s unfair to compare NZ handling of the pandemic with the UKs. The population difference and density one factor, but the most obvious is that NZ have a competent leader If you take just England-we are 6th most densely populated country in the world Absolute bullshit!! Have you any fact to support that assertion "Bullshit" ??? England I stress England not UK is the 2nd most densely populated country in Europe 2nd to Netherlands. England at 435 pouple per sq km are per 2019 census. Don't know exactly where that places us in th world but we are pretty high (population per sq km). Shortly after wide-spread recognition NZ locked down the borders no one in or out - NZ has as have been said has as very low and widespread density of population but their health system would have collapsed according to their PM. UK is a an international hub and we have a lot of International traffic and import a large proportion of goods so shutting down borders like NZ would have been impossible as NZ is a lot more self sufficient. With these facts and density of population we would have been hit hard who ever was in charge" Bulshit 6th most densely populated country England not U.K. | |||
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"Comparing New Zealand or Australia with the UK is like comparing Apples with Potatoes! We have family in both NZ and AUS and if you want to speak with your neighbour it is a long walk, a short drive or a telephone call as they are quite some distance apart. Social distancing is not a problem over there like it is here and our climates are vastly different. According to virologist experts, the vaccine thrives in our type of climate! " Ok but it has thrived in other countries like Brazil, Iran and South Africa who all have better climates than ours. But I digress This issue is really down to the fact New Zealand acted swiftly to shut their borders. As an island we was in a good position to minimise the affect but we didn’t and that is why we are in this position. Jacinda acted swiftly and proactively Boris didn’t, he reacted and albeit too late. | |||
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"Comparing New Zealand or Australia with the UK is like comparing Apples with Potatoes! We have family in both NZ and AUS and if you want to speak with your neighbour it is a long walk, a short drive or a telephone call as they are quite some distance apart. Social distancing is not a problem over there like it is here and our climates are vastly different. According to virologist experts, the vaccine thrives in our type of climate! Ok but it has thrived in other countries like Brazil, Iran and South Africa who all have better climates than ours. But I digress This issue is really down to the fact New Zealand acted swiftly to shut their borders. As an island we was in a good position to minimise the affect but we didn’t and that is why we are in this position. Jacinda acted swiftly and proactively Boris didn’t, he reacted and albeit too late. " Population Density | |||
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" Population Density " Japan has 116 million people living in cities. UK has 56.5 million people living in cities. Which one has the highest density? | |||
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"I just want the government to bloody govern properly. (and people to abide by rules that make sense in the circumstances) If you are not happy with the Government, then you will have the opportunity of voting for a Circus full of clowns in 2024! I'm not happy with the government. Yes I vote. I don't care who's in charge, I want coherent effective strategy to save this country. If BoZo and Clowns had it I'd say so. If Labour (or any other party) didn't, I'd say so. I just want the death, disease, economic destruction and other knock on effects to stop. 100% agree and we can whinge all we like, but I don't think that comrade Corbyn would have been up for the job and Captain Hindsight is not being awfully helpful either! All politicians should pull together like they did in the war, after all we have seen more deaths from this Pandemic than the War! " If by pull together you mean pool resources and work out how to get through this best, yes. If by pull together you mean kiss Boris's arse and tell him he's amazing for knowing what a comb is and only eating half the crayons today, hard pass. | |||
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" Population Density Japan has 116 million people living in cities. UK has 56.5 million people living in cities. Which one has the highest density?" England notice never said U.K. google it | |||
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"I just want the government to bloody govern properly. (and people to abide by rules that make sense in the circumstances) If you are not happy with the Government, then you will have the opportunity of voting for a Circus full of clowns in 2024! I'm not happy with the government. Yes I vote. I don't care who's in charge, I want coherent effective strategy to save this country. If BoZo and Clowns had it I'd say so. If Labour (or any other party) didn't, I'd say so. I just want the death, disease, economic destruction and other knock on effects to stop. I want to be a millionaire some things in life are not going to happen " So you think that this pandemic will go on forever? I'm sorry you have such a dire outlook on life. That must be difficult for you. | |||
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" Population Density Japan has 116 million people living in cities. UK has 56.5 million people living in cities. Which one has the highest density? England notice never said U.K. google it " England has the worst conditions for the virus (except all the other ones) and is doing best of all (except all the ones doing better). And I'm a world record holder in swimming (excluding anyone apart from me who can swim). | |||
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"Jacinda Arden posted a video today, at a large BBQ. No social distancing l, no masks, no new local cases for weeks. It made me a-bit emotional. Yes it’s unfair to compare NZ handling of the pandemic with the UKs. The population difference and density one factor, but the most obvious is that NZ have a competent leader If you take just England-we are 6th most densely populated country in the world Absolute bullshit!! Have you any fact to support that assertion "Bullshit" ??? England I stress England not UK is the 2nd most densely populated country in Europe 2nd to Netherlands. England at 435 pouple per sq km are per 2019 census. Don't know exactly where that places us in th world but we are pretty high (population per sq km). Shortly after wide-spread recognition NZ locked down the borders no one in or out - NZ has as have been said has as very low and widespread density of population but their health system would have collapsed according to their PM. UK is a an international hub and we have a lot of International traffic and import a large proportion of goods so shutting down borders like NZ would have been impossible as NZ is a lot more self sufficient. With these facts and density of population we would have been hit hard who ever was in charge Bulshit 6th most densely populated country England not U.K. " LOL I wish people would read post I clearly said England most densely populated country 2nd to Netherlands not UK UK as a whole is 273 people per sq km which is higher than France with less than half the area. I don't know the status in the world. | |||
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"Jacinda Arden posted a video today, at a large BBQ. No social distancing l, no masks, no new local cases for weeks. It made me a-bit emotional. Yes it’s unfair to compare NZ handling of the pandemic with the UKs. The population difference and density one factor, but the most obvious is that NZ have a competent leader If you take just England-we are 6th most densely populated country in the world Absolute bullshit!! Have you any fact to support that assertion "Bullshit" ??? England I stress England not UK is the 2nd most densely populated country in Europe 2nd to Netherlands. England at 435 pouple per sq km are per 2019 census. Don't know exactly where that places us in th world but we are pretty high (population per sq km). Shortly after wide-spread recognition NZ locked down the borders no one in or out - NZ has as have been said has as very low and widespread density of population but their health system would have collapsed according to their PM. UK is a an international hub and we have a lot of International traffic and import a large proportion of goods so shutting down borders like NZ would have been impossible as NZ is a lot more self sufficient. With these facts and density of population we would have been hit hard who ever was in charge Bulshit 6th most densely populated country England not U.K. LOL I wish people would read post I clearly said England most densely populated country 2nd to Netherlands not UK UK as a whole is 273 people per sq km which is higher than France with less than half the area. I don't know the status in the world. " France is over twice the size of U.K. with about 5 million less people | |||
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"Jacinda Arden posted a video today, at a large BBQ. No social distancing l, no masks, no new local cases for weeks. It made me a-bit emotional. Yes it’s unfair to compare NZ handling of the pandemic with the UKs. The population difference and density one factor, but the most obvious is that NZ have a competent leader If you take just England-we are 6th most densely populated country in the world Absolute bullshit!! Have you any fact to support that assertion "Bullshit" ??? England I stress England not UK is the 2nd most densely populated country in Europe 2nd to Netherlands. England at 435 pouple per sq km are per 2019 census. Don't know exactly where that places us in th world but we are pretty high (population per sq km). Shortly after wide-spread recognition NZ locked down the borders no one in or out - NZ has as have been said has as very low and widespread density of population but their health system would have collapsed according to their PM. UK is a an international hub and we have a lot of International traffic and import a large proportion of goods so shutting down borders like NZ would have been impossible as NZ is a lot more self sufficient. With these facts and density of population we would have been hit hard who ever was in charge Bulshit 6th most densely populated country England not U.K. LOL I wish people would read post I clearly said England most densely populated country 2nd to Netherlands not UK UK as a whole is 273 people per sq km which is higher than France with less than half the area. I don't know the status in the world. France is over twice the size of U.K. with about 5 million less people " Which is exactly what I said !!! | |||
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" Population Density Japan has 116 million people living in cities. UK has 56.5 million people living in cities. Which one has the highest density? England notice never said U.K. google it " So England alone would probably be a lower number than that, making your comparison even worse... England is part of the UK, Boris is the PM of the UK. Your overall figure of the density of the UK is pointless, it averages out the density of the countryside, of which we still have quite a lot with the cities, Density of urban areas is what actually matters as this is where the outbreaks occur and persist. If you can't understand that, then there's not much point discussing it further. You only have to compare large cities with small village in the UK to understand that by the way... Big cities bad, country villages, pretty good. | |||
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"Jacinda Arden posted a video today, at a large BBQ. No social distancing l, no masks, no new local cases for weeks. It made me a-bit emotional. Yes it’s unfair to compare NZ handling of the pandemic with the UKs. The population difference and density one factor, but the most obvious is that NZ have a competent leader If you take just England-we are 6th most densely populated country in the world Absolute bullshit!! Have you any fact to support that assertion "Bullshit" ??? England I stress England not UK is the 2nd most densely populated country in Europe 2nd to Netherlands. England at 435 pouple per sq km are per 2019 census. Don't know exactly where that places us in th world but we are pretty high (population per sq km). Shortly after wide-spread recognition NZ locked down the borders no one in or out - NZ has as have been said has as very low and widespread density of population but their health system would have collapsed according to their PM. UK is a an international hub and we have a lot of International traffic and import a large proportion of goods so shutting down borders like NZ would have been impossible as NZ is a lot more self sufficient. With these facts and density of population we would have been hit hard who ever was in charge Bulshit 6th most densely populated country England not U.K. LOL I wish people would read post I clearly said England most densely populated country 2nd to Netherlands not UK UK as a whole is 273 people per sq km which is higher than France with less than half the area. I don't know the status in the world. France is over twice the size of U.K. with about 5 million less people Which is exactly what I said !!! " Apologies had few Beers wine LOL | |||
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" Population Density Japan has 116 million people living in cities. UK has 56.5 million people living in cities. Which one has the highest density? England notice never said U.K. google it So England alone would probably be a lower number than that, making your comparison even worse... England is part of the UK, Boris is the PM of the UK. Your overall figure of the density of the UK is pointless, it averages out the density of the countryside, of which we still have quite a lot with the cities, Density of urban areas is what actually matters as this is where the outbreaks occur and persist. If you can't understand that, then there's not much point discussing it further. You only have to compare large cities with small village in the UK to understand that by the way... Big cities bad, country villages, pretty good. " Absolutely no idea what your on about maybe others will ?? | |||
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" Population Density Japan has 116 million people living in cities. UK has 56.5 million people living in cities. Which one has the highest density? England notice never said U.K. google it England has the worst conditions for the virus (except all the other ones) and is doing best of all (except all the ones doing better). And I'm a world record holder in swimming (excluding anyone apart from me who can swim)." No idea what that’s supposed to mean have you ?? | |||
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" Population Density Japan has 116 million people living in cities. UK has 56.5 million people living in cities. Which one has the highest density? England notice never said U.K. google it So England alone would probably be a lower number than that, making your comparison even worse... England is part of the UK, Boris is the PM of the UK. Your overall figure of the density of the UK is pointless, it averages out the density of the countryside, of which we still have quite a lot with the cities, Density of urban areas is what actually matters as this is where the outbreaks occur and persist. If you can't understand that, then there's not much point discussing it further. You only have to compare large cities with small village in the UK to understand that by the way... Big cities bad, country villages, pretty good. Absolutely no idea what your on about maybe others will ??" Drink more beer, it may become clearer | |||
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"Jacinda Arden posted a video today, at a large BBQ. No social distancing l, no masks, no new local cases for weeks. It made me a-bit emotional. Yes it’s unfair to compare NZ handling of the pandemic with the UKs. The population difference and density one factor, but the most obvious is that NZ have a competent leader If you take just England-we are 6th most densely populated country in the world Absolute bullshit!! Have you any fact to support that assertion "Bullshit" ??? England I stress England not UK is the 2nd most densely populated country in Europe 2nd to Netherlands. England at 435 pouple per sq km are per 2019 census. Don't know exactly where that places us in th world but we are pretty high (population per sq km). Shortly after wide-spread recognition NZ locked down the borders no one in or out - NZ has as have been said has as very low and widespread density of population but their health system would have collapsed according to their PM. UK is a an international hub and we have a lot of International traffic and import a large proportion of goods so shutting down borders like NZ would have been impossible as NZ is a lot more self sufficient. With these facts and density of population we would have been hit hard who ever was in charge Bulshit 6th most densely populated country England not U.K. LOL I wish people would read post I clearly said England most densely populated country 2nd to Netherlands not UK UK as a whole is 273 people per sq km which is higher than France with less than half the area. I don't know the status in the world. France is over twice the size of U.K. with about 5 million less people " But as several people have now said the people per sq km is not a good comparison. What actually matters is urbanisation and the proportion of a population that live in close proximity. That is not saying population density for England isn’t a factor but it IS saying a better comparison would be major world cities rather than countries as otherwise you are comparing apples and oranges. So we should compare infection rates and death rates for London & Tokyo for example or London & Berlin etc | |||
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" Population Density Japan has 116 million people living in cities. UK has 56.5 million people living in cities. Which one has the highest density? England notice never said U.K. google it So England alone would probably be a lower number than that, making your comparison even worse... England is part of the UK, Boris is the PM of the UK. Your overall figure of the density of the UK is pointless, it averages out the density of the countryside, of which we still have quite a lot with the cities, Density of urban areas is what actually matters as this is where the outbreaks occur and persist. If you can't understand that, then there's not much point discussing it further. You only have to compare large cities with small village in the UK to understand that by the way... Big cities bad, country villages, pretty good. " Nobody is disputing that all that we are saying the cases and deaths are more related to location and density of population of areas of the UK and not sole fault of the government decisions good or bad despite what people in these forums and Westminster/media are saying. And I defy anyone could have done better despite postulating they could have done in hindsight | |||
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" Population Density Japan has 116 million people living in cities. UK has 56.5 million people living in cities. Which one has the highest density? England notice never said U.K. google it So England alone would probably be a lower number than that, making your comparison even worse... England is part of the UK, Boris is the PM of the UK. Your overall figure of the density of the UK is pointless, it averages out the density of the countryside, of which we still have quite a lot with the cities, Density of urban areas is what actually matters as this is where the outbreaks occur and persist. If you can't understand that, then there's not much point discussing it further. You only have to compare large cities with small village in the UK to understand that by the way... Big cities bad, country villages, pretty good. Nobody is disputing that all that we are saying the cases and deaths are more related to location and density of population of areas of the UK and not sole fault of the government decisions good or bad despite what people in these forums and Westminster/media are saying. And I defy anyone could have done better despite postulating they could have done in hindsight" I refer you to my post further up listing 6 unforgivable mistakes by this Govt. i do not agree nobody could have done better. That is not a partisan political point. There ate plenty of far more competent Tory MPs who are not part of the current Cabinet that could have done better. The current Government (executive) is the weakest we have ever had at the worst possible time. The one thing they ARE good at is enriching themselves and their friends. | |||
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"Jacinda Arden posted a video today, at a large BBQ. No social distancing l, no masks, no new local cases for weeks. It made me a-bit emotional. Yes it’s unfair to compare NZ handling of the pandemic with the UKs. The population difference and density one factor, but the most obvious is that NZ have a competent leader If you take just England-we are 6th most densely populated country in the world Absolute bullshit!! Have you any fact to support that assertion "Bullshit" ??? England I stress England not UK is the 2nd most densely populated country in Europe 2nd to Netherlands. England at 435 pouple per sq km are per 2019 census. Don't know exactly where that places us in th world but we are pretty high (population per sq km). Shortly after wide-spread recognition NZ locked down the borders no one in or out - NZ has as have been said has as very low and widespread density of population but their health system would have collapsed according to their PM. UK is a an international hub and we have a lot of International traffic and import a large proportion of goods so shutting down borders like NZ would have been impossible as NZ is a lot more self sufficient. With these facts and density of population we would have been hit hard who ever was in charge And there we have it It wasnt handled badly Its because we have too many people . Haven't said it hasn't been handled badly, and a lot of people have believed the rules didn't apply to them. Trouble is there are always those who think they could have done better cos they don't have to prove they could have, point fingers. Politicians who suffered an embarrassing crushing defeat in in 2019 election who are going out of their way to undermine government at every opportunity cos they hope they can overthrow the existing government majority in the 2024 election. Simple the truth there the UK is subject many unique overlapping factors that have played a major part in the spread, cases and deaths which are unavoidable. Others have just exacerbated the situation. People love to point fingers rather than take responsibility." How have they undermined the gmnt exactly? | |||
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"I just want the government to bloody govern properly. (and people to abide by rules that make sense in the circumstances) If you are not happy with the Government, then you will have the opportunity of voting for a Circus full of clowns in 2024! " As opposed to the current circus? | |||
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"I just want the government to bloody govern properly. (and people to abide by rules that make sense in the circumstances) If you are not happy with the Government, then you will have the opportunity of voting for a Circus full of clowns in 2024! I'm not happy with the government. Yes I vote. I don't care who's in charge, I want coherent effective strategy to save this country. If BoZo and Clowns had it I'd say so. If Labour (or any other party) didn't, I'd say so. I just want the death, disease, economic destruction and other knock on effects to stop. 100% agree and we can whinge all we like, but I don't think that comrade Corbyn would have been up for the job and Captain Hindsight is not being awfully helpful either! All politicians should pull together like they did in the war, after all we have seen more deaths from this Pandemic than the War! " Weeks before Christmas sage told boris to have a circuit break Starmer agreed. Boris ignored it and weeks later we had a full lockdown. I think people really need to look up the meaning of the word hindsight. Comrade Corbyn wouldnt have given away £12b to his mates. | |||
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"I believe those countries with female in charge have done better over all..." I was listening to a podcast and it said exactly the same thing. | |||
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"I believe those countries with female in charge have done better over all..." You think? Think again Belgium? Belgian Prime Minister Sophie Williams did well didn't she | |||
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" Population Density Japan has 116 million people living in cities. UK has 56.5 million people living in cities. Which one has the highest density?" Its quite telling not one of the highest density proponents have answered this. | |||
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"I believe those countries with female in charge have done better over all... You think? Think again Belgium? Belgian Prime Minister Sophie Williams did well didn't she "Maybe the clue was in the words. Over all? | |||
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"I believe those countries with female in charge have done better over all... You think? Think again Belgium? Belgian Prime Minister Sophie Williams did well didn't she
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"All the countries you quote are nowhere near England’s density 60 million plus in 50k sq miles , USA population is 328 million in 3.8 M sq miles to bring into context how we are all crammed in England. So you're saying you think the government have done a good job? All these lockdowns and masks, you secretly love it or something? Actually all we motioned was population density, what your seeing god only knows , but fact Is 6th most densely populated country is as of now true " "....but fact Is 6th most densely populated country is as of now true..." ----------------------------- So why are we not 6th in terms of death rate? How come we are worse than the other 5 countries above us in population density? Japan's population is double ours, plus they have a higher population density. Yet Japan's death toll is approx 20 times 'less' than ours. Population density can play a part, but that's not the main reason why we've done so badly. | |||
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" Population Density Japan has 116 million people living in cities. UK has 56.5 million people living in cities. Which one has the highest density? Its quite telling not one of the highest density proponents have answered this." Japan is in stit trouble right now and there were a lot more prepared because of previous outbreaks and people in Japan actually do as the are asked cos it is a matter of honour to them and dont have mass pre lockdown parties ln the streets of Liverpool - does help a little 
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"Jacinda Arden posted a video today, at a large BBQ. No social distancing l, no masks, no new local cases for weeks. It made me a-bit emotional. Yes it’s unfair to compare NZ handling of the pandemic with the UKs. The population difference and density one factor, but the most obvious is that NZ have a competent leader If you take just England-we are 6th most densely populated country in the world Absolute bullshit!! Have you any fact to support that assertion "Bullshit" ??? England I stress England not UK is the 2nd most densely populated country in Europe 2nd to Netherlands. England at 435 pouple per sq km are per 2019 census. Don't know exactly where that places us in th world but we are pretty high (population per sq km). Shortly after wide-spread recognition NZ locked down the borders no one in or out - NZ has as have been said has as very low and widespread density of population but their health system would have collapsed according to their PM. UK is a an international hub and we have a lot of International traffic and import a large proportion of goods so shutting down borders like NZ would have been impossible as NZ is a lot more self sufficient. With these facts and density of population we would have been hit hard who ever was in charge" But surely all the experts on here could have done a better job! Boris this , Boris that blah blah - so many experts on here playing the blame game who just haven't a clue - he should have locked down earlier, later, closed the schools earlier, later, pubs earlier , later - so many fab forum people who know better! You only have to look on the home page to see the amount of people meeting and advertising to meet to know that's Boris's fault too! | |||
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"All the countries you quote are nowhere near England’s density 60 million plus in 50k sq miles , USA population is 328 million in 3.8 M sq miles to bring into context how we are all crammed in England. So you're saying you think the government have done a good job? All these lockdowns and masks, you secretly love it or something? Actually all we motioned was population density, what your seeing god only knows , but fact Is 6th most densely populated country is as of now true "....but fact Is 6th most densely populated country is as of now true..." ----------------------------- So why are we not 6th in terms of death rate? How come we are worse than the other 5 countries above us in population density? Japan's population is double ours, plus they have a higher population density. Yet Japan's death toll is approx 20 times 'less' than ours. Population density can play a part, but that's not the main reason why we've done so badly." A quick look on wikipedia and we come in at 32nd in density. But are worst in death toll. I honestly don't understand why we as a island are the worst in the world and some try to defend the clown and his muppets in charge of this massive fuck up! | |||
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"Jacinda Arden posted a video today, at a large BBQ. No social distancing l, no masks, no new local cases for weeks. It made me a-bit emotional. Yes it’s unfair to compare NZ handling of the pandemic with the UKs. The population difference and density one factor, but the most obvious is that NZ have a competent leader If you take just England-we are 6th most densely populated country in the world Absolute bullshit!! Have you any fact to support that assertion "Bullshit" ??? England I stress England not UK is the 2nd most densely populated country in Europe 2nd to Netherlands. England at 435 pouple per sq km are per 2019 census. Don't know exactly where that places us in th world but we are pretty high (population per sq km). Shortly after wide-spread recognition NZ locked down the borders no one in or out - NZ has as have been said has as very low and widespread density of population but their health system would have collapsed according to their PM. UK is a an international hub and we have a lot of International traffic and import a large proportion of goods so shutting down borders like NZ would have been impossible as NZ is a lot more self sufficient. With these facts and density of population we would have been hit hard who ever was in charge And there we have it It wasnt handled badly Its because we have too many people . Haven't said it hasn't been handled badly, and a lot of people have believed the rules didn't apply to them. Trouble is there are always those who think they could have done better cos they don't have to prove they could have, point fingers. Politicians who suffered an embarrassing crushing defeat in in 2019 election who are going out of their way to undermine government at every opportunity cos they hope they can overthrow the existing government majority in the 2024 election. Simple the truth there the UK is subject many unique overlapping factors that have played a major part in the spread, cases and deaths which are unavoidable. Others have just exacerbated the situation. People love to point fingers rather than take responsibility." Very well said sir | |||
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"Jacinda Arden posted a video today, at a large BBQ. No social distancing l, no masks, no new local cases for weeks. It made me a-bit emotional. Yes it’s unfair to compare NZ handling of the pandemic with the UKs. The population difference and density one factor, but the most obvious is that NZ have a competent leader If you take just England-we are 6th most densely populated country in the world Absolute bullshit!! Have you any fact to support that assertion "Bullshit" ??? England I stress England not UK is the 2nd most densely populated country in Europe 2nd to Netherlands. England at 435 pouple per sq km are per 2019 census. Don't know exactly where that places us in th world but we are pretty high (population per sq km). Shortly after wide-spread recognition NZ locked down the borders no one in or out - NZ has as have been said has as very low and widespread density of population but their health system would have collapsed according to their PM. UK is a an international hub and we have a lot of International traffic and import a large proportion of goods so shutting down borders like NZ would have been impossible as NZ is a lot more self sufficient. With these facts and density of population we would have been hit hard who ever was in charge But surely all the experts on here could have done a better job! Boris this , Boris that blah blah - so many experts on here playing the blame game who just haven't a clue - he should have locked down earlier, later, closed the schools earlier, later, pubs earlier , later - so many fab forum people who know better! You only have to look on the home page to see the amount of people meeting and advertising to meet to know that's Boris's fault too!" This is very overlooked in the FAB forum 2024 elction campaign that the people giving Boris advice are people who are supposed to be top of their profession and dont have party affiliations and would be giving bad advice to which ever party was in power | |||
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"Jacinda Arden posted a video today, at a large BBQ. No social distancing l, no masks, no new local cases for weeks. It made me a-bit emotional. Yes it’s unfair to compare NZ handling of the pandemic with the UKs. The population difference and density one factor, but the most obvious is that NZ have a competent leader If you take just England-we are 6th most densely populated country in the world Absolute bullshit!! Have you any fact to support that assertion "Bullshit" ??? England I stress England not UK is the 2nd most densely populated country in Europe 2nd to Netherlands. England at 435 pouple per sq km are per 2019 census. Don't know exactly where that places us in th world but we are pretty high (population per sq km). Shortly after wide-spread recognition NZ locked down the borders no one in or out - NZ has as have been said has as very low and widespread density of population but their health system would have collapsed according to their PM. UK is a an international hub and we have a lot of International traffic and import a large proportion of goods so shutting down borders like NZ would have been impossible as NZ is a lot more self sufficient. With these facts and density of population we would have been hit hard who ever was in charge But surely all the experts on here could have done a better job! Boris this , Boris that blah blah - so many experts on here playing the blame game who just haven't a clue - he should have locked down earlier, later, closed the schools earlier, later, pubs earlier , later - so many fab forum people who know better! You only have to look on the home page to see the amount of people meeting and advertising to meet to know that's Boris's fault too!" i still don't understand why Witty said it wasn't worth doing australia style quarantine in the first lockdown | |||
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"Jacinda Arden posted a video today, at a large BBQ. No social distancing l, no masks, no new local cases for weeks. It made me a-bit emotional. Yes it’s unfair to compare NZ handling of the pandemic with the UKs. The population difference and density one factor, but the most obvious is that NZ have a competent leader If you take just England-we are 6th most densely populated country in the world Absolute bullshit!! Have you any fact to support that assertion "Bullshit" ??? England I stress England not UK is the 2nd most densely populated country in Europe 2nd to Netherlands. England at 435 pouple per sq km are per 2019 census. Don't know exactly where that places us in th world but we are pretty high (population per sq km). Shortly after wide-spread recognition NZ locked down the borders no one in or out - NZ has as have been said has as very low and widespread density of population but their health system would have collapsed according to their PM. UK is a an international hub and we have a lot of International traffic and import a large proportion of goods so shutting down borders like NZ would have been impossible as NZ is a lot more self sufficient. With these facts and density of population we would have been hit hard who ever was in charge But surely all the experts on here could have done a better job! Boris this , Boris that blah blah - so many experts on here playing the blame game who just haven't a clue - he should have locked down earlier, later, closed the schools earlier, later, pubs earlier , later - so many fab forum people who know better! You only have to look on the home page to see the amount of people meeting and advertising to meet to know that's Boris's fault too! i still don't understand why Witty said it wasn't worth doing australia style quarantine in the first lockdown " Who, That will be a debate for decades to come on huge research grants picking the iff and buts of the covid pandemic. Probably the ones that gave Boris his advice | |||
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"Jacinda Arden posted a video today, at a large BBQ. No social distancing l, no masks, no new local cases for weeks. It made me a-bit emotional. Yes it’s unfair to compare NZ handling of the pandemic with the UKs. The population difference and density one factor, but the most obvious is that NZ have a competent leader If you take just England-we are 6th most densely populated country in the world Absolute bullshit!! Have you any fact to support that assertion "Bullshit" ??? England I stress England not UK is the 2nd most densely populated country in Europe 2nd to Netherlands. England at 435 pouple per sq km are per 2019 census. Don't know exactly where that places us in th world but we are pretty high (population per sq km). Shortly after wide-spread recognition NZ locked down the borders no one in or out - NZ has as have been said has as very low and widespread density of population but their health system would have collapsed according to their PM. UK is a an international hub and we have a lot of International traffic and import a large proportion of goods so shutting down borders like NZ would have been impossible as NZ is a lot more self sufficient. With these facts and density of population we would have been hit hard who ever was in charge But surely all the experts on here could have done a better job! Boris this , Boris that blah blah - so many experts on here playing the blame game who just haven't a clue - he should have locked down earlier, later, closed the schools earlier, later, pubs earlier , later - so many fab forum people who know better! You only have to look on the home page to see the amount of people meeting and advertising to meet to know that's Boris's fault too! i still don't understand why Witty said it wasn't worth doing australia style quarantine in the first lockdown " A stooge is all he has been...a respitory virus and he was going along with masks would make it worse. Bloody highly paid stooge. | |||
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"All the countries you quote are nowhere near England’s density 60 million plus in 50k sq miles , USA population is 328 million in 3.8 M sq miles to bring into context how we are all crammed in England. So you're saying you think the government have done a good job? All these lockdowns and masks, you secretly love it or something? Actually all we motioned was population density, what your seeing god only knows , but fact Is 6th most densely populated country is as of now true "....but fact Is 6th most densely populated country is as of now true..." ----------------------------- So why are we not 6th in terms of death rate? How come we are worse than the other 5 countries above us in population density? Japan's population is double ours, plus they have a higher population density. Yet Japan's death toll is approx 20 times 'less' than ours. Population density can play a part, but that's not the main reason why we've done so badly. A quick look on wikipedia and we come in at 32nd in density. But are worst in death toll. I honestly don't understand why we as a island are the worst in the world and some try to defend the clown and his muppets in charge of this massive fuck up! "England comes in 6th | |||
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"All the countries you quote are nowhere near England’s density 60 million plus in 50k sq miles , USA population is 328 million in 3.8 M sq miles to bring into context how we are all crammed in England. So you're saying you think the government have done a good job? All these lockdowns and masks, you secretly love it or something? Actually all we motioned was population density, what your seeing god only knows , but fact Is 6th most densely populated country is as of now true "....but fact Is 6th most densely populated country is as of now true..." ----------------------------- So why are we not 6th in terms of death rate? How come we are worse than the other 5 countries above us in population density? Japan's population is double ours, plus they have a higher population density. Yet Japan's death toll is approx 20 times 'less' than ours. Population density can play a part, but that's not the main reason why we've done so badly. A quick look on wikipedia and we come in at 32nd in density. But are worst in death toll. I honestly don't understand why we as a island are the worst in the world and some try to defend the clown and his muppets in charge of this massive fuck up! England comes in 6th"It will depend where your looking...I told you where I was looking. | |||
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"Jacinda Arden posted a video today, at a large BBQ. No social distancing l, no masks, no new local cases for weeks. It made me a-bit emotional. Yes it’s unfair to compare NZ handling of the pandemic with the UKs. The population difference and density one factor, but the most obvious is that NZ have a competent leader If you take just England-we are 6th most densely populated country in the world Absolute bullshit!! Have you any fact to support that assertion "Bullshit" ??? England I stress England not UK is the 2nd most densely populated country in Europe 2nd to Netherlands. England at 435 pouple per sq km are per 2019 census. Don't know exactly where that places us in th world but we are pretty high (population per sq km). Shortly after wide-spread recognition NZ locked down the borders no one in or out - NZ has as have been said has as very low and widespread density of population but their health system would have collapsed according to their PM. UK is a an international hub and we have a lot of International traffic and import a large proportion of goods so shutting down borders like NZ would have been impossible as NZ is a lot more self sufficient. With these facts and density of population we would have been hit hard who ever was in charge But surely all the experts on here could have done a better job! Boris this , Boris that blah blah - so many experts on here playing the blame game who just haven't a clue - he should have locked down earlier, later, closed the schools earlier, later, pubs earlier , later - so many fab forum people who know better! You only have to look on the home page to see the amount of people meeting and advertising to meet to know that's Boris's fault too!" Yet when he is advised by the actual experts,he ignores them too. | |||
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"Jacinda Arden posted a video today, at a large BBQ. No social distancing l, no masks, no new local cases for weeks. It made me a-bit emotional. Yes it’s unfair to compare NZ handling of the pandemic with the UKs. The population difference and density one factor, but the most obvious is that NZ have a competent leader If you take just England-we are 6th most densely populated country in the world Absolute bullshit!! Have you any fact to support that assertion "Bullshit" ??? England I stress England not UK is the 2nd most densely populated country in Europe 2nd to Netherlands. England at 435 pouple per sq km are per 2019 census. Don't know exactly where that places us in th world but we are pretty high (population per sq km). Shortly after wide-spread recognition NZ locked down the borders no one in or out - NZ has as have been said has as very low and widespread density of population but their health system would have collapsed according to their PM. UK is a an international hub and we have a lot of International traffic and import a large proportion of goods so shutting down borders like NZ would have been impossible as NZ is a lot more self sufficient. With these facts and density of population we would have been hit hard who ever was in charge But surely all the experts on here could have done a better job! Boris this , Boris that blah blah - so many experts on here playing the blame game who just haven't a clue - he should have locked down earlier, later, closed the schools earlier, later, pubs earlier , later - so many fab forum people who know better! You only have to look on the home page to see the amount of people meeting and advertising to meet to know that's Boris's fault too! Yet when he is advised by the actual experts,he ignores them too." They are high paid high level experts who would not loose their livelihood and the comfortable lifestyles and nothing to loose because of their advice where as hundreds of thousands of us have. At least Boris was trying. Same with certain labour leadership would have sitting pretty with his ridiculously high ministerial salary, 10m plus unemployed shouting lockdown lockdown lockdown | |||
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"Jacinda Arden posted a video today, at a large BBQ. No social distancing l, no masks, no new local cases for weeks. It made me a-bit emotional. Yes it’s unfair to compare NZ handling of the pandemic with the UKs. The population difference and density one factor, but the most obvious is that NZ have a competent leader If you take just England-we are 6th most densely populated country in the world Absolute bullshit!! Have you any fact to support that assertion "Bullshit" ??? England I stress England not UK is the 2nd most densely populated country in Europe 2nd to Netherlands. England at 435 pouple per sq km are per 2019 census. Don't know exactly where that places us in th world but we are pretty high (population per sq km). Shortly after wide-spread recognition NZ locked down the borders no one in or out - NZ has as have been said has as very low and widespread density of population but their health system would have collapsed according to their PM. UK is a an international hub and we have a lot of International traffic and import a large proportion of goods so shutting down borders like NZ would have been impossible as NZ is a lot more self sufficient. With these facts and density of population we would have been hit hard who ever was in charge But surely all the experts on here could have done a better job! Boris this , Boris that blah blah - so many experts on here playing the blame game who just haven't a clue - he should have locked down earlier, later, closed the schools earlier, later, pubs earlier , later - so many fab forum people who know better! You only have to look on the home page to see the amount of people meeting and advertising to meet to know that's Boris's fault too! Yet when he is advised by the actual experts,he ignores them too. They are high paid high level experts who would not loose their livelihood and the comfortable lifestyles and nothing to loose because of their advice where as hundreds of thousands of us have. At least Boris was trying. Same with certain labour leadership would have sitting pretty with his ridiculously high ministerial salary, 10m plus unemployed shouting lockdown lockdown lockdown" Ignoring scientific advice. Trying? 
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"Jacinda Arden posted a video today, at a large BBQ. No social distancing l, no masks, no new local cases for weeks. It made me a-bit emotional. Yes it’s unfair to compare NZ handling of the pandemic with the UKs. The population difference and density one factor, but the most obvious is that NZ have a competent leader If you take just England-we are 6th most densely populated country in the world Absolute bullshit!! Have you any fact to support that assertion "Bullshit" ??? England I stress England not UK is the 2nd most densely populated country in Europe 2nd to Netherlands. England at 435 pouple per sq km are per 2019 census. Don't know exactly where that places us in th world but we are pretty high (population per sq km). Shortly after wide-spread recognition NZ locked down the borders no one in or out - NZ has as have been said has as very low and widespread density of population but their health system would have collapsed according to their PM. UK is a an international hub and we have a lot of International traffic and import a large proportion of goods so shutting down borders like NZ would have been impossible as NZ is a lot more self sufficient. With these facts and density of population we would have been hit hard who ever was in charge But surely all the experts on here could have done a better job! Boris this , Boris that blah blah - so many experts on here playing the blame game who just haven't a clue - he should have locked down earlier, later, closed the schools earlier, later, pubs earlier , later - so many fab forum people who know better! You only have to look on the home page to see the amount of people meeting and advertising to meet to know that's Boris's fault too! Yet when he is advised by the actual experts,he ignores them too. They are high paid high level experts who would not loose their livelihood and the comfortable lifestyles and nothing to loose because of their advice where as hundreds of thousands of us have. At least Boris was trying. Same with certain labour leadership would have sitting pretty with his ridiculously high ministerial salary, 10m plus unemployed shouting lockdown lockdown lockdown" He wasn't trying to attend many cobra meetings... No one is saying how well anyone else could have or would have done, we're going solely on his performance, it's been piss poor by any standard, but if I were to give you my opinion on it, I'd have to say anyone else would really have struggled to do any worse... | |||
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"Jacinda Arden posted a video today, at a large BBQ. No social distancing l, no masks, no new local cases for weeks. It made me a-bit emotional. Yes it’s unfair to compare NZ handling of the pandemic with the UKs. The population difference and density one factor, but the most obvious is that NZ have a competent leader If you take just England-we are 6th most densely populated country in the world Absolute bullshit!! Have you any fact to support that assertion "Bullshit" ??? England I stress England not UK is the 2nd most densely populated country in Europe 2nd to Netherlands. England at 435 pouple per sq km are per 2019 census. Don't know exactly where that places us in th world but we are pretty high (population per sq km). Shortly after wide-spread recognition NZ locked down the borders no one in or out - NZ has as have been said has as very low and widespread density of population but their health system would have collapsed according to their PM. UK is a an international hub and we have a lot of International traffic and import a large proportion of goods so shutting down borders like NZ would have been impossible as NZ is a lot more self sufficient. With these facts and density of population we would have been hit hard who ever was in charge But surely all the experts on here could have done a better job! Boris this , Boris that blah blah - so many experts on here playing the blame game who just haven't a clue - he should have locked down earlier, later, closed the schools earlier, later, pubs earlier , later - so many fab forum people who know better! You only have to look on the home page to see the amount of people meeting and advertising to meet to know that's Boris's fault too! Yet when he is advised by the actual experts,he ignores them too. They are high paid high level experts who would not loose their livelihood and the comfortable lifestyles and nothing to loose because of their advice where as hundreds of thousands of us have. At least Boris was trying. Same with certain labour leadership would have sitting pretty with his ridiculously high ministerial salary, 10m plus unemployed shouting lockdown lockdown lockdown He wasn't trying to attend many cobra meetings... No one is saying how well anyone else could have or would have done, we're going solely on his performance, it's been piss poor by any standard, but if I were to give you my opinion on it, I'd have to say anyone else would really have struggled to do any worse... " Nobody could know if it could have have been done better, There will always those who think they could have done better and the science advisers and academics will be getting huge research grants and book sales in how they think it could have done better. As for the rest of us we simply have to pick of pieces of of what little we have left. Its a fucked up situation but hope things do get better | |||
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"All the countries you quote are nowhere near England’s density 60 million plus in 50k sq miles , USA population is 328 million in 3.8 M sq miles to bring into context how we are all crammed in England." We also have a hell of a lot more international travel than NZ!! I can’t find the stats but before it was clear how bad this virus was we had 10’s of thousands, perhaps 100’s of thousands of people coming into UK every day from countries where the virus had already got hold. In comparison NZ flights from those countries would only have been a handful a week. NZ’s luck held out long enough for them to get smart but the virus was well established here weeks before we saw what it could do. | |||
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"For those defending Boris etc I just want to ask one question, surely in a democracy we are entitled to hold those decision makers accountable when it is clear mistakes have been made? As we, slowly, start to approach the light at the end of the tunnel the finger pointing and recriminations are only going to grow. Other countries have out performed us quite simply and we, as a nation, hang on to this notion that we are an international superpower. That hasn’t been the case for many years" Which measures of “performance” and which countries are you referring to? Deaths per 100’000 is often not a far comparison, partly because of large differences in how the published figures are recorded and reported, but also you need to weighting the figure to account for population age demographics. We are certainly performing better than many countries in the metric of vaccine rollout. There have certainly been cock ups and mismanagement in key areas and there needs to be accountability for these, but that’s true of any government and its civil services. | |||
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"For those defending Boris etc I just want to ask one question, surely in a democracy we are entitled to hold those decision makers accountable when it is clear mistakes have been made? As we, slowly, start to approach the light at the end of the tunnel the finger pointing and recriminations are only going to grow. Other countries have out performed us quite simply and we, as a nation, hang on to this notion that we are an international superpower. That hasn’t been the case for many years" Not sure anyone has the notion we are a superpower nor has done for 30 years. Where are you getting that information from? And also jot seeing anyone defending Boris. I think some of us are just pointing out that he isn't at fault for absolutely everything as many people glibly posit. | |||
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"For those defending Boris etc I just want to ask one question, surely in a democracy we are entitled to hold those decision makers accountable when it is clear mistakes have been made? As we, slowly, start to approach the light at the end of the tunnel the finger pointing and recriminations are only going to grow. Other countries have out performed us quite simply and we, as a nation, hang on to this notion that we are an international superpower. That hasn’t been the case for many years" There will be many questions, but just constant criticism without any offer of constructive solutions is not the answer and shows that the critics really have no idea either. The UK is a complex as intimated in many posts there are many overlapping conditions that have attributed to current situation and just saying it's all the fault of the government is nonsense and narrow minded. lot of countries have done better because of many differing factors that you can't make 1 to 1 comparisons. Korea they have a different social/ecological structures, honour, social responsibility and more prepared cos of previous outbreaks such as SARs Germany has a much more socially conscious population as well as less area/population density, have more trust in politicians and more likely to follow guidelines. UK there is little social conscience and responsibility. Only need to look and the beaches, street parties, protests - anti mask, anti vaccination stick it to the man attitude, Ageing population, high dependency on imported products, media and opposition politicians undermining the government at every opportunity, bad decisions, bad advice, poor knowledge to name but a few. So if you look at each case individually your see that actually different social/ecological/population distribution /age demography/ etc 1 to 1 comparisons become meaningless | |||
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"All the countries you quote are nowhere near England’s density 60 million plus in 50k sq miles , USA population is 328 million in 3.8 M sq miles to bring into context how we are all crammed in England. We also have a hell of a lot more international travel than NZ!! I can’t find the stats but before it was clear how bad this virus was we had 10’s of thousands, perhaps 100’s of thousands of people coming into UK every day from countries where the virus had already got hold. In comparison NZ flights from those countries would only have been a handful a week. NZ’s luck held out long enough for them to get smart but the virus was well established here weeks before we saw what it could do. " Yep but that just illustrates another cock up by the UK Govt. it isn’t as though we only just realised the international travel figure! The Govt should have acted much faster to control our borders (after all wasn’t that a supposed key benefit of brexit?). Even giving benefit of the doubt about just how serious this was becoming nit being clear at outset, they could have introduced quarantine and/or flight bans in April/May. It has taken them 10mths. Buck stops with Boris. Even said so himself. Evidence he overruled Patel. Delay after delay followed by u-turn. We can and should blame the government and it is irrelevant for people to say things like nobody else could have done better because we will never know. We can ALSO blame the significant minority breaking or bending the rules (had 8 msgs on Fab yesterday from men & cpls asking if we wanted to meet!) So lots of factors impacting UK but nobody should be letting off or making excuses for this inept Govt! | |||
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"For those defending Boris etc I just want to ask one question, surely in a democracy we are entitled to hold those decision makers accountable when it is clear mistakes have been made? As we, slowly, start to approach the light at the end of the tunnel the finger pointing and recriminations are only going to grow. Other countries have out performed us quite simply and we, as a nation, hang on to this notion that we are an international superpower. That hasn’t been the case for many years There will be many questions, but just constant criticism without any offer of constructive solutions is not the answer and shows that the critics really have no idea either. The UK is a complex as intimated in many posts there are many overlapping conditions that have attributed to current situation and just saying it's all the fault of the government is nonsense and narrow minded. lot of countries have done better because of many differing factors that you can't make 1 to 1 comparisons. Korea they have a different social/ecological structures, honour, social responsibility and more prepared cos of previous outbreaks such as SARs Germany has a much more socially conscious population as well as less area/population density, have more trust in politicians and more likely to follow guidelines. UK there is little social conscience and responsibility. Only need to look and the beaches, street parties, protests - anti mask, anti vaccination stick it to the man attitude, Ageing population, high dependency on imported products, media and opposition politicians undermining the government at every opportunity, bad decisions, bad advice, poor knowledge to name but a few. So if you look at each case individually your see that actually different social/ecological/population distribution /age demography/ etc 1 to 1 comparisons become meaningless" Some intelligent thinking in there chap. But let's just blame one person instead. | |||
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"For those defending Boris etc I just want to ask one question, surely in a democracy we are entitled to hold those decision makers accountable when it is clear mistakes have been made? As we, slowly, start to approach the light at the end of the tunnel the finger pointing and recriminations are only going to grow. Other countries have out performed us quite simply and we, as a nation, hang on to this notion that we are an international superpower. That hasn’t been the case for many years There will be many questions, but just constant criticism without any offer of constructive solutions is not the answer and shows that the critics really have no idea either. The UK is a complex as intimated in many posts there are many overlapping conditions that have attributed to current situation and just saying it's all the fault of the government is nonsense and narrow minded. lot of countries have done better because of many differing factors that you can't make 1 to 1 comparisons. Korea they have a different social/ecological structures, honour, social responsibility and more prepared cos of previous outbreaks such as SARs Germany has a much more socially conscious population as well as less area/population density, have more trust in politicians and more likely to follow guidelines. UK there is little social conscience and responsibility. Only need to look and the beaches, street parties, protests - anti mask, anti vaccination stick it to the man attitude, Ageing population, high dependency on imported products, media and opposition politicians undermining the government at every opportunity, bad decisions, bad advice, poor knowledge to name but a few. So if you look at each case individually your see that actually different social/ecological/population distribution /age demography/ etc 1 to 1 comparisons become meaningless Some intelligent thinking in there chap. But let's just blame one person instead. " Trump gets so much hate and blame for those American deaths. As you've said people will just blame the one person instead.  | |||
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"For those defending Boris etc I just want to ask one question, surely in a democracy we are entitled to hold those decision makers accountable when it is clear mistakes have been made? As we, slowly, start to approach the light at the end of the tunnel the finger pointing and recriminations are only going to grow. Other countries have out performed us quite simply and we, as a nation, hang on to this notion that we are an international superpower. That hasn’t been the case for many years There will be many questions, but just constant criticism without any offer of constructive solutions is not the answer and shows that the critics really have no idea either. The UK is a complex as intimated in many posts there are many overlapping conditions that have attributed to current situation and just saying it's all the fault of the government is nonsense and narrow minded. lot of countries have done better because of many differing factors that you can't make 1 to 1 comparisons. Korea they have a different social/ecological structures, honour, social responsibility and more prepared cos of previous outbreaks such as SARs Germany has a much more socially conscious population as well as less area/population density, have more trust in politicians and more likely to follow guidelines. UK there is little social conscience and responsibility. Only need to look and the beaches, street parties, protests - anti mask, anti vaccination stick it to the man attitude, Ageing population, high dependency on imported products, media and opposition politicians undermining the government at every opportunity, bad decisions, bad advice, poor knowledge to name but a few. So if you look at each case individually your see that actually different social/ecological/population distribution /age demography/ etc 1 to 1 comparisons become meaningless Some intelligent thinking in there chap. But let's just blame one person instead. Trump gets so much hate and blame for those American deaths. As you've said people will just blame the one person instead. "I mean it’s almost like it’s their job | |||
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"For those defending Boris etc I just want to ask one question, surely in a democracy we are entitled to hold those decision makers accountable when it is clear mistakes have been made? As we, slowly, start to approach the light at the end of the tunnel the finger pointing and recriminations are only going to grow. Other countries have out performed us quite simply and we, as a nation, hang on to this notion that we are an international superpower. That hasn’t been the case for many years There will be many questions, but just constant criticism without any offer of constructive solutions is not the answer and shows that the critics really have no idea either. The UK is a complex as intimated in many posts there are many overlapping conditions that have attributed to current situation and just saying it's all the fault of the government is nonsense and narrow minded. lot of countries have done better because of many differing factors that you can't make 1 to 1 comparisons. Korea they have a different social/ecological structures, honour, social responsibility and more prepared cos of previous outbreaks such as SARs Germany has a much more socially conscious population as well as less area/population density, have more trust in politicians and more likely to follow guidelines. UK there is little social conscience and responsibility. Only need to look and the beaches, street parties, protests - anti mask, anti vaccination stick it to the man attitude, Ageing population, high dependency on imported products, media and opposition politicians undermining the government at every opportunity, bad decisions, bad advice, poor knowledge to name but a few. So if you look at each case individually your see that actually different social/ecological/population distribution /age demography/ etc 1 to 1 comparisons become meaningless Some intelligent thinking in there chap. But let's just blame one person instead. Trump gets so much hate and blame for those American deaths. As you've said people will just blame the one person instead.
I mean it’s almost like it’s their job"I mean it's almost like the people who were voted in to run a country, should actually accept some responsibility. | |||
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"For those defending Boris etc I just want to ask one question, surely in a democracy we are entitled to hold those decision makers accountable when it is clear mistakes have been made? As we, slowly, start to approach the light at the end of the tunnel the finger pointing and recriminations are only going to grow. Other countries have out performed us quite simply and we, as a nation, hang on to this notion that we are an international superpower. That hasn’t been the case for many years There will be many questions, but just constant criticism without any offer of constructive solutions is not the answer and shows that the critics really have no idea either. The UK is a complex as intimated in many posts there are many overlapping conditions that have attributed to current situation and just saying it's all the fault of the government is nonsense and narrow minded. lot of countries have done better because of many differing factors that you can't make 1 to 1 comparisons. Korea they have a different social/ecological structures, honour, social responsibility and more prepared cos of previous outbreaks such as SARs Germany has a much more socially conscious population as well as less area/population density, have more trust in politicians and more likely to follow guidelines. UK there is little social conscience and responsibility. Only need to look and the beaches, street parties, protests - anti mask, anti vaccination stick it to the man attitude, Ageing population, high dependency on imported products, media and opposition politicians undermining the government at every opportunity, bad decisions, bad advice, poor knowledge to name but a few. So if you look at each case individually your see that actually different social/ecological/population distribution /age demography/ etc 1 to 1 comparisons become meaningless Some intelligent thinking in there chap. But let's just blame one person instead. Trump gets so much hate and blame for those American deaths. As you've said people will just blame the one person instead.
I mean it’s almost like it’s their job
I mean it's almost like the people who were voted in to run a country, should actually accept some responsibility. "Sure all the people at the illegal gatherings and raves were saying, waving their arms and glowsticks, it's ok its Boris' fault I'm here!!!! All the people who rushed off abroad for their holidays and then rushed back bringing the infections with them, thinking it's OK, its Boris' fault it's his job. I think the biggest mistake Boris' made was having too much faith in British people to pull together, think of others and do the right thing. After all he is a rich Conservative PM detached from the people and not realising what a selfish, self centred f...ers they are. and yes he should be held accountable
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"For those defending Boris etc I just want to ask one question, surely in a democracy we are entitled to hold those decision makers accountable when it is clear mistakes have been made? As we, slowly, start to approach the light at the end of the tunnel the finger pointing and recriminations are only going to grow. Other countries have out performed us quite simply and we, as a nation, hang on to this notion that we are an international superpower. That hasn’t been the case for many years There will be many questions, but just constant criticism without any offer of constructive solutions is not the answer and shows that the critics really have no idea either. The UK is a complex as intimated in many posts there are many overlapping conditions that have attributed to current situation and just saying it's all the fault of the government is nonsense and narrow minded. lot of countries have done better because of many differing factors that you can't make 1 to 1 comparisons. Korea they have a different social/ecological structures, honour, social responsibility and more prepared cos of previous outbreaks such as SARs Germany has a much more socially conscious population as well as less area/population density, have more trust in politicians and more likely to follow guidelines. UK there is little social conscience and responsibility. Only need to look and the beaches, street parties, protests - anti mask, anti vaccination stick it to the man attitude, Ageing population, high dependency on imported products, media and opposition politicians undermining the government at every opportunity, bad decisions, bad advice, poor knowledge to name but a few. So if you look at each case individually your see that actually different social/ecological/population distribution /age demography/ etc 1 to 1 comparisons become meaningless Some intelligent thinking in there chap. But let's just blame one person instead. " I don’t think anybody is blaming just one person. Whenever things wrong within any large organisation, there is usually more than one person involved. However, the person at the top ‘takes responsibility’. It happened under their watch, and so they have to take the flak for the mess created. Usually when heads have to roll, it starts with the person at the top. | |||
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"For those defending Boris etc I just want to ask one question, surely in a democracy we are entitled to hold those decision makers accountable when it is clear mistakes have been made? As we, slowly, start to approach the light at the end of the tunnel the finger pointing and recriminations are only going to grow. Other countries have out performed us quite simply and we, as a nation, hang on to this notion that we are an international superpower. That hasn’t been the case for many years There will be many questions, but just constant criticism without any offer of constructive solutions is not the answer and shows that the critics really have no idea either. The UK is a complex as intimated in many posts there are many overlapping conditions that have attributed to current situation and just saying it's all the fault of the government is nonsense and narrow minded. lot of countries have done better because of many differing factors that you can't make 1 to 1 comparisons. Korea they have a different social/ecological structures, honour, social responsibility and more prepared cos of previous outbreaks such as SARs Germany has a much more socially conscious population as well as less area/population density, have more trust in politicians and more likely to follow guidelines. UK there is little social conscience and responsibility. Only need to look and the beaches, street parties, protests - anti mask, anti vaccination stick it to the man attitude, Ageing population, high dependency on imported products, media and opposition politicians undermining the government at every opportunity, bad decisions, bad advice, poor knowledge to name but a few. So if you look at each case individually your see that actually different social/ecological/population distribution /age demography/ etc 1 to 1 comparisons become meaningless Some intelligent thinking in there chap. But let's just blame one person instead. Trump gets so much hate and blame for those American deaths. As you've said people will just blame the one person instead.
I mean it’s almost like it’s their job
I mean it's almost like the people who were voted in to run a country, should actually accept some responsibility.
Sure all the people at the illegal gatherings and raves were saying, waving their arms and glowsticks, it's ok its Boris' fault I'm here!!!!
All the people who rushed off abroad for their holidays and then rushed back bringing the infections with them, thinking it's OK, its Boris' fault it's his job.
I think the biggest mistake Boris' made was having too much faith in British people to pull together, think of others and do the right thing.
After all he is a rich Conservative PM detached from the people and not realising what a selfish, self centred f...ers they are. and yes he should be held accountable
The majority did but they are not the ones bitching about what a shit Prime Minister Boris is and getting on with trying to get us and them out of this."So because a minority of people have broke the rules that absolves the people handling the situation of any responsibility? Do you think we are all in this situation and we should all be pulling together? | |||
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"Jacinda Arden posted a video today, at a large BBQ. No social distancing l, no masks, no new local cases for weeks. It made me a-bit emotional. Yes it’s unfair to compare NZ handling of the pandemic with the UKs. The population difference and density one factor, but the most obvious is that NZ have a competent leader " Ah, just another thread to knock Boris. Why not just start a hate Boris thread instead of wrapping it up in some waste of time comparison | |||
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"Jacinda Arden posted a video today, at a large BBQ. No social distancing l, no masks, no new local cases for weeks. It made me a-bit emotional. Yes it’s unfair to compare NZ handling of the pandemic with the UKs. The population difference and density one factor, but the most obvious is that NZ have a competent leader If you take just England-we are 6th most densely populated country in the world Yes ok. The UK is wildly incompetent because the outback exists, New Zealand is small and far away, insert any other excuse here. Nice barbecue. Wish we had that sort of competent leadership." More people in Lancashire than New Zealand. This is just another Boris knocking thread instead of realising that the UK has vaccinated more than the EU combined | |||
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"Jacinda Arden posted a video today, at a large BBQ. No social distancing l, no masks, no new local cases for weeks. It made me a-bit emotional. Yes it’s unfair to compare NZ handling of the pandemic with the UKs. The population difference and density one factor, but the most obvious is that NZ have a competent leader " The biggest difference pal is that New Zealanders did as they were asked!! A bit like yourself we are always looking for someone else to blame, that's our 'culture' and our sense of entitlement to do as we want and see what we can get away with. The reality is, if we as a society as a whole had adhered to guidelines and taken on responsibility for our own actions. If we had applied logic and common sense to foreign travel rather than seeing what we could get away with and what holidays we could take a quick trip to for a week before they went on the UK banned list. If we had taken that responsibiliy ourselves rather than having to have the law laid down and curfews and absolute bans put in place then we'd have been much better off by now. This is our fault as a society. The guidelines were already there, we've just proven ourselves to be a society of ignorance selfish cunts who behave like children and can not be trusted. Don't blame the government. Its always someone else's fault!!! | |||
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"Jacinda Arden posted a video today, at a large BBQ. No social distancing l, no masks, no new local cases for weeks. It made me a-bit emotional. Yes it’s unfair to compare NZ handling of the pandemic with the UKs. The population difference and density one factor, but the most obvious is that NZ have a competent leader The biggest difference pal is that New Zealanders did as they were asked!! A bit like yourself we are always looking for someone else to blame, that's our 'culture' and our sense of entitlement to do as we want and see what we can get away with. The reality is, if we as a society as a whole had adhered to guidelines and taken on responsibility for our own actions. If we had applied logic and common sense to foreign travel rather than seeing what we could get away with and what holidays we could take a quick trip to for a week before they went on the UK banned list. If we had taken that responsibiliy ourselves rather than having to have the law laid down and curfews and absolute bans put in place then we'd have been much better off by now. This is our fault as a society. The guidelines were already there, we've just proven ourselves to be a society of ignorance selfish cunts who behave like children and can not be trusted. Don't blame the government. Its always someone else's fault!!! " Where the people who caught it in care homes to blame? | |||
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"Jacinda Arden posted a video today, at a large BBQ. No social distancing l, no masks, no new local cases for weeks. It made me a-bit emotional. Yes it’s unfair to compare NZ handling of the pandemic with the UKs. The population difference and density one factor, but the most obvious is that NZ have a competent leader Exactly The biggest difference pal is that New Zealanders did as they were asked!! A bit like yourself we are always looking for someone else to blame, that's our 'culture' and our sense of entitlement to do as we want and see what we can get away with. The reality is, if we as a society as a whole had adhered to guidelines and taken on responsibility for our own actions. If we had applied logic and common sense to foreign travel rather than seeing what we could get away with and what holidays we could take a quick trip to for a week before they went on the UK banned list. If we had taken that responsibiliy ourselves rather than having to have the law laid down and curfews and absolute bans put in place then we'd have been much better off by now. This is our fault as a society. The guidelines were already there, we've just proven ourselves to be a society of ignorance selfish cunts who behave like children and can not be trusted. Don't blame the government. Its always someone else's fault!!! Where the people who caught it in care homes to blame?" | |||
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"Jacinda Arden posted a video today, at a large BBQ. No social distancing l, no masks, no new local cases for weeks. It made me a-bit emotional. Yes it’s unfair to compare NZ handling of the pandemic with the UKs. The population difference and density one factor, but the most obvious is that NZ have a competent leader If you take just England-we are 6th most densely populated country in the world Absolute bullshit!! Have you any fact to support that assertion "Bullshit" ??? England I stress England not UK is the 2nd most densely populated country in Europe 2nd to Netherlands. England at 435 pouple per sq km are per 2019 census. Don't know exactly where that places us in th world but we are pretty high (population per sq km). Shortly after wide-spread recognition NZ locked down the borders no one in or out - NZ has as have been said has as very low and widespread density of population but their health system would have collapsed according to their PM. UK is a an international hub and we have a lot of International traffic and import a large proportion of goods so shutting down borders like NZ would have been impossible as NZ is a lot more self sufficient. With these facts and density of population we would have been hit hard who ever was in charge" Superb | |||
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"Jacinda Arden posted a video today, at a large BBQ. No social distancing l, no masks, no new local cases for weeks. It made me a-bit emotional. Yes it’s unfair to compare NZ handling of the pandemic with the UKs. The population difference and density one factor, but the most obvious is that NZ have a competent leader If you take just England-we are 6th most densely populated country in the world Absolute bullshit!! Have you any fact to support that assertion "Bullshit" ??? England I stress England not UK is the 2nd most densely populated country in Europe 2nd to Netherlands. England at 435 pouple per sq km are per 2019 census. Don't know exactly where that places us in th world but we are pretty high (population per sq km). Shortly after wide-spread recognition NZ locked down the borders no one in or out - NZ has as have been said has as very low and widespread density of population but their health system would have collapsed according to their PM. UK is a an international hub and we have a lot of International traffic and import a large proportion of goods so shutting down borders like NZ would have been impossible as NZ is a lot more self sufficient. With these facts and density of population we would have been hit hard who ever was in charge Superb " The Belgium Prime Minister Sophie Wilmes has received loads of criticism hasn't she, is it deserved? What do you think, Belgium which has one of the highest deaths rates in the world to the coronavirus. Nurses at the Saint-Pierre Hospital in Brussels turned their back Belgian Prime Minister Sophie Wilmes when she made an unofficial visit back in May to support them. | |||
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"For those defending Boris etc I just want to ask one question, surely in a democracy we are entitled to hold those decision makers accountable when it is clear mistakes have been made? As we, slowly, start to approach the light at the end of the tunnel the finger pointing and recriminations are only going to grow. Other countries have out performed us quite simply and we, as a nation, hang on to this notion that we are an international superpower. That hasn’t been the case for many years There will be many questions, but just constant criticism without any offer of constructive solutions is not the answer and shows that the critics really have no idea either. The UK is a complex as intimated in many posts there are many overlapping conditions that have attributed to current situation and just saying it's all the fault of the government is nonsense and narrow minded. lot of countries have done better because of many differing factors that you can't make 1 to 1 comparisons. Korea they have a different social/ecological structures, honour, social responsibility and more prepared cos of previous outbreaks such as SARs Germany has a much more socially conscious population as well as less area/population density, have more trust in politicians and more likely to follow guidelines. UK there is little social conscience and responsibility. Only need to look and the beaches, street parties, protests - anti mask, anti vaccination stick it to the man attitude, Ageing population, high dependency on imported products, media and opposition politicians undermining the government at every opportunity, bad decisions, bad advice, poor knowledge to name but a few. So if you look at each case individually your see that actually different social/ecological/population distribution /age demography/ etc 1 to 1 comparisons become meaningless Some intelligent thinking in there chap. But let's just blame one person instead. Trump gets so much hate and blame for those American deaths. As you've said people will just blame the one person instead.
I mean it’s almost like it’s their job
I mean it's almost like the people who were voted in to run a country, should actually accept some responsibility.
Sure all the people at the illegal gatherings and raves were saying, waving their arms and glowsticks, it's ok its Boris' fault I'm here!!!!
All the people who rushed off abroad for their holidays and then rushed back bringing the infections with them, thinking it's OK, its Boris' fault it's his job.
I think the biggest mistake Boris' made was having too much faith in British people to pull together, think of others and do the right thing.
After all he is a rich Conservative PM detached from the people and not realising what a selfish, self centred f...ers they are. and yes he should be held accountable
The majority did but they are not the ones bitching about what a shit Prime Minister Boris is and getting on with trying to get us and them out of this.
So because a minority of people have broke the rules that absolves the people handling the situation of any responsibility?
Do you think we are all in this situation and we should all be pulling together?"Nobody is trying absolve them of responsibility but it is the responsibility of everyone not just a government. It seem to be the ones that are blaming the government/Boris for everything are ones that are trying to absolve themselves of any responsibility. | |||
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"Jacinda Arden posted a video today, at a large BBQ. No social distancing l, no masks, no new local cases for weeks. It made me a-bit emotional. Yes it’s unfair to compare NZ handling of the pandemic with the UKs. The population difference and density one factor, but the most obvious is that NZ have a competent leader The biggest difference pal is that New Zealanders did as they were asked!! A bit like yourself we are always looking for someone else to blame, that's our 'culture' and our sense of entitlement to do as we want and see what we can get away with. The reality is, if we as a society as a whole had adhered to guidelines and taken on responsibility for our own actions. If we had applied logic and common sense to foreign travel rather than seeing what we could get away with and what holidays we could take a quick trip to for a week before they went on the UK banned list. If we had taken that responsibiliy ourselves rather than having to have the law laid down and curfews and absolute bans put in place then we'd have been much better off by now. This is our fault as a society. The guidelines were already there, we've just proven ourselves to be a society of ignorance selfish cunts who behave like children and can not be trusted. Don't blame the government. Its always someone else's fault!!! Where the people who caught it in care homes to blame?" The 'we' I was referring to was society in general as I have adhered to guidelines all along. If you still can't grasp after a this time that people on care homes caught covid because the R number in society was too high and it inevitably filtered through there then you simply don't get this virus at all. The actikms of everyone else put these vulnerable residents at risk. And it didn't have to be their carers either who were flouting the guidelines but they could have picked it up in the community as a consequence of the mindless selfish cohort of our society. | |||
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"For those defending Boris etc I just want to ask one question, surely in a democracy we are entitled to hold those decision makers accountable when it is clear mistakes have been made? As we, slowly, start to approach the light at the end of the tunnel the finger pointing and recriminations are only going to grow. Other countries have out performed us quite simply and we, as a nation, hang on to this notion that we are an international superpower. That hasn’t been the case for many years There will be many questions, but just constant criticism without any offer of constructive solutions is not the answer and shows that the critics really have no idea either. The UK is a complex as intimated in many posts there are many overlapping conditions that have attributed to current situation and just saying it's all the fault of the government is nonsense and narrow minded. lot of countries have done better because of many differing factors that you can't make 1 to 1 comparisons. Korea they have a different social/ecological structures, honour, social responsibility and more prepared cos of previous outbreaks such as SARs Germany has a much more socially conscious population as well as less area/population density, have more trust in politicians and more likely to follow guidelines. UK there is little social conscience and responsibility. Only need to look and the beaches, street parties, protests - anti mask, anti vaccination stick it to the man attitude, Ageing population, high dependency on imported products, media and opposition politicians undermining the government at every opportunity, bad decisions, bad advice, poor knowledge to name but a few. So if you look at each case individually your see that actually different social/ecological/population distribution /age demography/ etc 1 to 1 comparisons become meaningless Some intelligent thinking in there chap. But let's just blame one person instead. Trump gets so much hate and blame for those American deaths. As you've said people will just blame the one person instead.
I mean it’s almost like it’s their job
I mean it's almost like the people who were voted in to run a country, should actually accept some responsibility.
Sure all the people at the illegal gatherings and raves were saying, waving their arms and glowsticks, it's ok its Boris' fault I'm here!!!!
All the people who rushed off abroad for their holidays and then rushed back bringing the infections with them, thinking it's OK, its Boris' fault it's his job.
I think the biggest mistake Boris' made was having too much faith in British people to pull together, think of others and do the right thing.
After all he is a rich Conservative PM detached from the people and not realising what a selfish, self centred f...ers they are. and yes he should be held accountable
The majority did but they are not the ones bitching about what a shit Prime Minister Boris is and getting on with trying to get us and them out of this.
So because a minority of people have broke the rules that absolves the people handling the situation of any responsibility?
Do you think we are all in this situation and we should all be pulling together?
Nobody is trying absolve them of responsibility but it is the responsibility of everyone not just a government.
It seem to be the ones that are blaming the government/Boris for everything are ones that are trying to absolve themselves of any responsibility.
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"How about the staff in care homes without ppe,where they to blame? Or the NHS staff without proper ppe? Or the schools which were made to open despite categorically being told it wasnt safe to open?where they too blame too? Or the countless key workers who have gone out to work? Are they too blame too?" What are you talking about??? As an NHS key worker, I am going to ignore your posts from here on in and give you a fools pardon. | |||
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"Jacinda Arden posted a video today, at a large BBQ. No social distancing l, no masks, no new local cases for weeks. It made me a-bit emotional. Yes it’s unfair to compare NZ handling of the pandemic with the UKs. The population difference and density one factor, but the most obvious is that NZ have a competent leader The biggest difference pal is that New Zealanders did as they were asked!! A bit like yourself we are always looking for someone else to blame, that's our 'culture' and our sense of entitlement to do as we want and see what we can get away with. The reality is, if we as a society as a whole had adhered to guidelines and taken on responsibility for our own actions. If we had applied logic and common sense to foreign travel rather than seeing what we could get away with and what holidays we could take a quick trip to for a week before they went on the UK banned list. If we had taken that responsibiliy ourselves rather than having to have the law laid down and curfews and absolute bans put in place then we'd have been much better off by now. This is our fault as a society. The guidelines were already there, we've just proven ourselves to be a society of ignorance selfish cunts who behave like children and can not be trusted. Don't blame the government. Its always someone else's fault!!! Where the people who caught it in care homes to blame? The 'we' I was referring to was society in general as I have adhered to guidelines all along. If you still can't grasp after a this time that people on care homes caught covid because the R number in society was too high and it inevitably filtered through there then you simply don't get this virus at all. The actikms of everyone else put these vulnerable residents at risk. And it didn't have to be their carers either who were flouting the guidelines but they could have picked it up in the community as a consequence of the mindless selfish cohort of our society. " People were put into care home homes from hospitals without being tested There was also a shocking lack.of ppe Do.some research | |||
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"For those defending Boris etc I just want to ask one question, surely in a democracy we are entitled to hold those decision makers accountable when it is clear mistakes have been made? As we, slowly, start to approach the light at the end of the tunnel the finger pointing and recriminations are only going to grow. Other countries have out performed us quite simply and we, as a nation, hang on to this notion that we are an international superpower. That hasn’t been the case for many years There will be many questions, but just constant criticism without any offer of constructive solutions is not the answer and shows that the critics really have no idea either. The UK is a complex as intimated in many posts there are many overlapping conditions that have attributed to current situation and just saying it's all the fault of the government is nonsense and narrow minded. lot of countries have done better because of many differing factors that you can't make 1 to 1 comparisons. Korea they have a different social/ecological structures, honour, social responsibility and more prepared cos of previous outbreaks such as SARs Germany has a much more socially conscious population as well as less area/population density, have more trust in politicians and more likely to follow guidelines. UK there is little social conscience and responsibility. Only need to look and the beaches, street parties, protests - anti mask, anti vaccination stick it to the man attitude, Ageing population, high dependency on imported products, media and opposition politicians undermining the government at every opportunity, bad decisions, bad advice, poor knowledge to name but a few. So if you look at each case individually your see that actually different social/ecological/population distribution /age demography/ etc 1 to 1 comparisons become meaningless Some intelligent thinking in there chap. But let's just blame one person instead. Trump gets so much hate and blame for those American deaths. As you've said people will just blame the one person instead.
I mean it’s almost like it’s their job
I mean it's almost like the people who were voted in to run a country, should actually accept some responsibility.
Sure all the people at the illegal gatherings and raves were saying, waving their arms and glowsticks, it's ok its Boris' fault I'm here!!!!
All the people who rushed off abroad for their holidays and then rushed back bringing the infections with them, thinking it's OK, its Boris' fault it's his job.
I think the biggest mistake Boris' made was having too much faith in British people to pull together, think of others and do the right thing.
After all he is a rich Conservative PM detached from the people and not realising what a selfish, self centred f...ers they are. and yes he should be held accountable
The majority did but they are not the ones bitching about what a shit Prime Minister Boris is and getting on with trying to get us and them out of this.
So because a minority of people have broke the rules that absolves the people handling the situation of any responsibility?
Do you think we are all in this situation and we should all be pulling together?
Nobody is trying absolve them of responsibility but it is the responsibility of everyone not just a government.
It seem to be the ones that are blaming the government/Boris for everything are ones that are trying to absolve themselves of any responsibility.
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"For those defending Boris etc I just want to ask one question, surely in a democracy we are entitled to hold those decision makers accountable when it is clear mistakes have been made? As we, slowly, start to approach the light at the end of the tunnel the finger pointing and recriminations are only going to grow. Other countries have out performed us quite simply and we, as a nation, hang on to this notion that we are an international superpower. That hasn’t been the case for many years There will be many questions, but just constant criticism without any offer of constructive solutions is not the answer and shows that the critics really have no idea either. The UK is a complex as intimated in many posts there are many overlapping conditions that have attributed to current situation and just saying it's all the fault of the government is nonsense and narrow minded. lot of countries have done better because of many differing factors that you can't make 1 to 1 comparisons. Korea they have a different social/ecological structures, honour, social responsibility and more prepared cos of previous outbreaks such as SARs Germany has a much more socially conscious population as well as less area/population density, have more trust in politicians and more likely to follow guidelines. UK there is little social conscience and responsibility. Only need to look and the beaches, street parties, protests - anti mask, anti vaccination stick it to the man attitude, Ageing population, high dependency on imported products, media and opposition politicians undermining the government at every opportunity, bad decisions, bad advice, poor knowledge to name but a few. So if you look at each case individually your see that actually different social/ecological/population distribution /age demography/ etc 1 to 1 comparisons become meaningless Some intelligent thinking in there chap. But let's just blame one person instead. Trump gets so much hate and blame for those American deaths. As you've said people will just blame the one person instead.
I mean it’s almost like it’s their job
I mean it's almost like the people who were voted in to run a country, should actually accept some responsibility.
Sure all the people at the illegal gatherings and raves were saying, waving their arms and glowsticks, it's ok its Boris' fault I'm here!!!!
All the people who rushed off abroad for their holidays and then rushed back bringing the infections with them, thinking it's OK, its Boris' fault it's his job.
I think the biggest mistake Boris' made was having too much faith in British people to pull together, think of others and do the right thing.
After all he is a rich Conservative PM detached from the people and not realising what a selfish, self centred f...ers they are. and yes he should be held accountable
The majority did but they are not the ones bitching about what a shit Prime Minister Boris is and getting on with trying to get us and them out of this.
So because a minority of people have broke the rules that absolves the people handling the situation of any responsibility?
Do you think we are all in this situation and we should all be pulling together?"I don't think there's is a significant 'minority' that have broken the rules at all. I think a significant percentage of our population flouted the rules with the attitude that it wouldn't affect them directly. How are the government supposed to police that??? Society has to take responsibility and ownership for itself. One things become clear from this. If this generation had to go through what our predecessors had to in 2 world wars, there's have been a different outcome. Our society has been an embarassment. | |||
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"For those defending Boris etc I just want to ask one question, surely in a democracy we are entitled to hold those decision makers accountable when it is clear mistakes have been made? As we, slowly, start to approach the light at the end of the tunnel the finger pointing and recriminations are only going to grow. Other countries have out performed us quite simply and we, as a nation, hang on to this notion that we are an international superpower. That hasn’t been the case for many years There will be many questions, but just constant criticism without any offer of constructive solutions is not the answer and shows that the critics really have no idea either. The UK is a complex as intimated in many posts there are many overlapping conditions that have attributed to current situation and just saying it's all the fault of the government is nonsense and narrow minded. lot of countries have done better because of many differing factors that you can't make 1 to 1 comparisons. Korea they have a different social/ecological structures, honour, social responsibility and more prepared cos of previous outbreaks such as SARs Germany has a much more socially conscious population as well as less area/population density, have more trust in politicians and more likely to follow guidelines. UK there is little social conscience and responsibility. Only need to look and the beaches, street parties, protests - anti mask, anti vaccination stick it to the man attitude, Ageing population, high dependency on imported products, media and opposition politicians undermining the government at every opportunity, bad decisions, bad advice, poor knowledge to name but a few. So if you look at each case individually your see that actually different social/ecological/population distribution /age demography/ etc 1 to 1 comparisons become meaningless Some intelligent thinking in there chap. But let's just blame one person instead. Trump gets so much hate and blame for those American deaths. As you've said people will just blame the one person instead.
I mean it’s almost like it’s their job
I mean it's almost like the people who were voted in to run a country, should actually accept some responsibility.
Sure all the people at the illegal gatherings and raves were saying, waving their arms and glowsticks, it's ok its Boris' fault I'm here!!!!
All the people who rushed off abroad for their holidays and then rushed back bringing the infections with them, thinking it's OK, its Boris' fault it's his job.
I think the biggest mistake Boris' made was having too much faith in British people to pull together, think of others and do the right thing.
After all he is a rich Conservative PM detached from the people and not realising what a selfish, self centred f...ers they are. and yes he should be held accountable
The majority did but they are not the ones bitching about what a shit Prime Minister Boris is and getting on with trying to get us and them out of this.
So because a minority of people have broke the rules that absolves the people handling the situation of any responsibility?
Do you think we are all in this situation and we should all be pulling together?
I don't think there's is a significant 'minority' that have broken the rules at all.
I think a significant percentage of our population flouted the rules with the attitude that it wouldn't affect them directly.
How are the government supposed to police that??? Society has to take responsibility and ownership for itself.
One things become clear from this. If this generation had to go through what our predecessors had to in 2 world wars, there's have been a different outcome.
Our society has been an embarassment. "So you think the majority have broken the rules? | |||
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"For those defending Boris etc I just want to ask one question, surely in a democracy we are entitled to hold those decision makers accountable when it is clear mistakes have been made? As we, slowly, start to approach the light at the end of the tunnel the finger pointing and recriminations are only going to grow. Other countries have out performed us quite simply and we, as a nation, hang on to this notion that we are an international superpower. That hasn’t been the case for many years There will be many questions, but just constant criticism without any offer of constructive solutions is not the answer and shows that the critics really have no idea either. The UK is a complex as intimated in many posts there are many overlapping conditions that have attributed to current situation and just saying it's all the fault of the government is nonsense and narrow minded. lot of countries have done better because of many differing factors that you can't make 1 to 1 comparisons. Korea they have a different social/ecological structures, honour, social responsibility and more prepared cos of previous outbreaks such as SARs Germany has a much more socially conscious population as well as less area/population density, have more trust in politicians and more likely to follow guidelines. UK there is little social conscience and responsibility. Only need to look and the beaches, street parties, protests - anti mask, anti vaccination stick it to the man attitude, Ageing population, high dependency on imported products, media and opposition politicians undermining the government at every opportunity, bad decisions, bad advice, poor knowledge to name but a few. So if you look at each case individually your see that actually different social/ecological/population distribution /age demography/ etc 1 to 1 comparisons become meaningless Some intelligent thinking in there chap. But let's just blame one person instead. Trump gets so much hate and blame for those American deaths. As you've said people will just blame the one person instead.
I mean it’s almost like it’s their job
I mean it's almost like the people who were voted in to run a country, should actually accept some responsibility.
Sure all the people at the illegal gatherings and raves were saying, waving their arms and glowsticks, it's ok its Boris' fault I'm here!!!!
All the people who rushed off abroad for their holidays and then rushed back bringing the infections with them, thinking it's OK, its Boris' fault it's his job.
I think the biggest mistake Boris' made was having too much faith in British people to pull together, think of others and do the right thing.
After all he is a rich Conservative PM detached from the people and not realising what a selfish, self centred f...ers they are. and yes he should be held accountable
The majority did but they are not the ones bitching about what a shit Prime Minister Boris is and getting on with trying to get us and them out of this.
So because a minority of people have broke the rules that absolves the people handling the situation of any responsibility?
Do you think we are all in this situation and we should all be pulling together?
I don't think there's is a significant 'minority' that have broken the rules at all.
I think a significant percentage of our population flouted the rules with the attitude that it wouldn't affect them directly.
How are the government supposed to police that??? Society has to take responsibility and ownership for itself.
One things become clear from this. If this generation had to go through what our predecessors had to in 2 world wars, there's have been a different outcome.
Our society has been an embarassment. "People have gone out and worked through the pandemic People have made ridiculous sacrifices and in many cases shown great kindness. Normal people have carried us through this pandemic. The gmnt have given £11b to their mates And its society which is an embarrassment? | |||
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"Jacinda Arden posted a video today, at a large BBQ. No social distancing l, no masks, no new local cases for weeks. It made me a-bit emotional. Yes it’s unfair to compare NZ handling of the pandemic with the UKs. The population difference and density one factor, but the most obvious is that NZ have a competent leader If you take just England-we are 6th most densely populated country in the world Absolute bullshit!! Have you any fact to support that assertion "Bullshit" ??? England I stress England not UK is the 2nd most densely populated country in Europe 2nd to Netherlands. England at 435 pouple per sq km are per 2019 census. Don't know exactly where that places us in th world but we are pretty high (population per sq km). Shortly after wide-spread recognition NZ locked down the borders no one in or out - NZ has as have been said has as very low and widespread density of population but their health system would have collapsed according to their PM. UK is a an international hub and we have a lot of International traffic and import a large proportion of goods so shutting down borders like NZ would have been impossible as NZ is a lot more self sufficient. With these facts and density of population we would have been hit hard who ever was in charge Superb The Belgium Prime Minister Sophie Wilmes has received loads of criticism hasn't she, is it deserved? What do you think, Belgium which has one of the highest deaths rates in the world to the coronavirus. Nurses at the Saint-Pierre Hospital in Brussels turned their back Belgian Prime Minister Sophie Wilmes when she made an unofficial visit back in May to support them. "100s of Belguim Doctors, Medical specialists, economists, lawyers have wrote two open letters to the Belgium Government about the legitimacy of the coronavirus measures and policy makers behind them How dare the Belgium Health workers critique their Government. | |||
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"For those defending Boris etc I just want to ask one question, surely in a democracy we are entitled to hold those decision makers accountable when it is clear mistakes have been made? As we, slowly, start to approach the light at the end of the tunnel the finger pointing and recriminations are only going to grow. Other countries have out performed us quite simply and we, as a nation, hang on to this notion that we are an international superpower. That hasn’t been the case for many years There will be many questions, but just constant criticism without any offer of constructive solutions is not the answer and shows that the critics really have no idea either. The UK is a complex as intimated in many posts there are many overlapping conditions that have attributed to current situation and just saying it's all the fault of the government is nonsense and narrow minded. lot of countries have done better because of many differing factors that you can't make 1 to 1 comparisons. Korea they have a different social/ecological structures, honour, social responsibility and more prepared cos of previous outbreaks such as SARs Germany has a much more socially conscious population as well as less area/population density, have more trust in politicians and more likely to follow guidelines. UK there is little social conscience and responsibility. Only need to look and the beaches, street parties, protests - anti mask, anti vaccination stick it to the man attitude, Ageing population, high dependency on imported products, media and opposition politicians undermining the government at every opportunity, bad decisions, bad advice, poor knowledge to name but a few. So if you look at each case individually your see that actually different social/ecological/population distribution /age demography/ etc 1 to 1 comparisons become meaningless Some intelligent thinking in there chap. But let's just blame one person instead. Trump gets so much hate and blame for those American deaths. As you've said people will just blame the one person instead.
I mean it’s almost like it’s their job
I mean it's almost like the people who were voted in to run a country, should actually accept some responsibility.
Sure all the people at the illegal gatherings and raves were saying, waving their arms and glowsticks, it's ok its Boris' fault I'm here!!!!
All the people who rushed off abroad for their holidays and then rushed back bringing the infections with them, thinking it's OK, its Boris' fault it's his job.
I think the biggest mistake Boris' made was having too much faith in British people to pull together, think of others and do the right thing.
After all he is a rich Conservative PM detached from the people and not realising what a selfish, self centred f...ers they are. and yes he should be held accountable
The majority did but they are not the ones bitching about what a shit Prime Minister Boris is and getting on with trying to get us and them out of this.
So because a minority of people have broke the rules that absolves the people handling the situation of any responsibility?
Do you think we are all in this situation and we should all be pulling together?
I don't think there's is a significant 'minority' that have broken the rules at all.
I think a significant percentage of our population flouted the rules with the attitude that it wouldn't affect them directly.
How are the government supposed to police that??? Society has to take responsibility and ownership for itself.
One things become clear from this. If this generation had to go through what our predecessors had to in 2 world wars, there's have been a different outcome.
Our society has been an embarassment.
So you think the majority have broken the rules?"LOL I said "The majority did but they are not the ones bitching about what a shit Prime Minister Boris is and getting on with trying to get us and them out of this." They did follow the rules and they are not the the ones bitching about Boris and the government!!! An example of selective reading | |||
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"For those defending Boris etc I just want to ask one question, surely in a democracy we are entitled to hold those decision makers accountable when it is clear mistakes have been made? As we, slowly, start to approach the light at the end of the tunnel the finger pointing and recriminations are only going to grow. Other countries have out performed us quite simply and we, as a nation, hang on to this notion that we are an international superpower. That hasn’t been the case for many years There will be many questions, but just constant criticism without any offer of constructive solutions is not the answer and shows that the critics really have no idea either. The UK is a complex as intimated in many posts there are many overlapping conditions that have attributed to current situation and just saying it's all the fault of the government is nonsense and narrow minded. lot of countries have done better because of many differing factors that you can't make 1 to 1 comparisons. Korea they have a different social/ecological structures, honour, social responsibility and more prepared cos of previous outbreaks such as SARs Germany has a much more socially conscious population as well as less area/population density, have more trust in politicians and more likely to follow guidelines. UK there is little social conscience and responsibility. Only need to look and the beaches, street parties, protests - anti mask, anti vaccination stick it to the man attitude, Ageing population, high dependency on imported products, media and opposition politicians undermining the government at every opportunity, bad decisions, bad advice, poor knowledge to name but a few. So if you look at each case individually your see that actually different social/ecological/population distribution /age demography/ etc 1 to 1 comparisons become meaningless Some intelligent thinking in there chap. But let's just blame one person instead. Trump gets so much hate and blame for those American deaths. As you've said people will just blame the one person instead.
I mean it’s almost like it’s their job
I mean it's almost like the people who were voted in to run a country, should actually accept some responsibility.
Sure all the people at the illegal gatherings and raves were saying, waving their arms and glowsticks, it's ok its Boris' fault I'm here!!!!
All the people who rushed off abroad for their holidays and then rushed back bringing the infections with them, thinking it's OK, its Boris' fault it's his job.
I think the biggest mistake Boris' made was having too much faith in British people to pull together, think of others and do the right thing.
After all he is a rich Conservative PM detached from the people and not realising what a selfish, self centred f...ers they are. and yes he should be held accountable
The majority did but they are not the ones bitching about what a shit Prime Minister Boris is and getting on with trying to get us and them out of this.
So because a minority of people have broke the rules that absolves the people handling the situation of any responsibility?
Do you think we are all in this situation and we should all be pulling together?
I don't think there's is a significant 'minority' that have broken the rules at all.
I think a significant percentage of our population flouted the rules with the attitude that it wouldn't affect them directly.
How are the government supposed to police that??? Society has to take responsibility and ownership for itself.
One things become clear from this. If this generation had to go through what our predecessors had to in 2 world wars, there's have been a different outcome.
Our society has been an embarassment.
People have gone out and worked through the pandemic
People have made ridiculous sacrifices and in many cases shown great kindness.
Normal people have carried us through this pandemic.
The gmnt have given £11b to their mates
And its society which is an embarrassment?"Pal I've worked on the front line the whole way through. What youve described is everyday life, peoples jobs, livelihoods and what we should expect as human beings. But there is a significant percentage of our society who have let the rest of us down. Unnecesaary foreign travel (because they simply needed a week in the sun) failure to quarantine, house parties, birthday parties, bending guidelines and rules re social gatherings and when the pubs were briefly allowed to open again (simply because the government had to bow to pressure in the run up the Christmas) people proved they couldn't be trusted as they ignored all the guidance. And look where it got us, we are all paying the price now. | |||
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"Jacinda Arden posted a video today, at a large BBQ. No social distancing l, no masks, no new local cases for weeks. It made me a-bit emotional. Yes it’s unfair to compare NZ handling of the pandemic with the UKs. The population difference and density one factor, but the most obvious is that NZ have a competent leader If you take just England-we are 6th most densely populated country in the world Absolute bullshit!! Have you any fact to support that assertion "Bullshit" ??? England I stress England not UK is the 2nd most densely populated country in Europe 2nd to Netherlands. England at 435 pouple per sq km are per 2019 census. Don't know exactly where that places us in th world but we are pretty high (population per sq km). Shortly after wide-spread recognition NZ locked down the borders no one in or out - NZ has as have been said has as very low and widespread density of population but their health system would have collapsed according to their PM. UK is a an international hub and we have a lot of International traffic and import a large proportion of goods so shutting down borders like NZ would have been impossible as NZ is a lot more self sufficient. With these facts and density of population we would have been hit hard who ever was in charge Superb The Belgium Prime Minister Sophie Wilmes has received loads of criticism hasn't she, is it deserved? What do you think, Belgium which has one of the highest deaths rates in the world to the coronavirus. Nurses at the Saint-Pierre Hospital in Brussels turned their back Belgian Prime Minister Sophie Wilmes when she made an unofficial visit back in May to support them.
100s of Belguim Doctors, Medical specialists, economists, lawyers have wrote two open letters to the Belgium Government about the legitimacy of the coronavirus measures and policy makers behind them
How dare the Belgium Health workers critique their Government."Accountability has become a foreign concept in this country. | |||
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"Jacinda Arden posted a video today, at a large BBQ. No social distancing l, no masks, no new local cases for weeks. It made me a-bit emotional. Yes it’s unfair to compare NZ handling of the pandemic with the UKs. The population difference and density one factor, but the most obvious is that NZ have a competent leader If you take just England-we are 6th most densely populated country in the world Absolute bullshit!! Have you any fact to support that assertion "Bullshit" ??? England I stress England not UK is the 2nd most densely populated country in Europe 2nd to Netherlands. England at 435 pouple per sq km are per 2019 census. Don't know exactly where that places us in th world but we are pretty high (population per sq km). Shortly after wide-spread recognition NZ locked down the borders no one in or out - NZ has as have been said has as very low and widespread density of population but their health system would have collapsed according to their PM. UK is a an international hub and we have a lot of International traffic and import a large proportion of goods so shutting down borders like NZ would have been impossible as NZ is a lot more self sufficient. With these facts and density of population we would have been hit hard who ever was in charge Superb The Belgium Prime Minister Sophie Wilmes has received loads of criticism hasn't she, is it deserved? What do you think, Belgium which has one of the highest deaths rates in the world to the coronavirus. Nurses at the Saint-Pierre Hospital in Brussels turned their back Belgian Prime Minister Sophie Wilmes when she made an unofficial visit back in May to support them.
100s of Belguim Doctors, Medical specialists, economists, lawyers have wrote two open letters to the Belgium Government about the legitimacy of the coronavirus measures and policy makers behind them
How dare the Belgium Health workers critique their Government.
Accountability has become a foreign concept in this country."10, 272 People died in Care Homes 56 % off all deaths in Belgium, the toll on Belgium to date 21,550 Deaths. Belgium had a very hard lockdown. | |||
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"For those defending Boris etc I just want to ask one question, surely in a democracy we are entitled to hold those decision makers accountable when it is clear mistakes have been made? As we, slowly, start to approach the light at the end of the tunnel the finger pointing and recriminations are only going to grow. Other countries have out performed us quite simply and we, as a nation, hang on to this notion that we are an international superpower. That hasn’t been the case for many years There will be many questions, but just constant criticism without any offer of constructive solutions is not the answer and shows that the critics really have no idea either. The UK is a complex as intimated in many posts there are many overlapping conditions that have attributed to current situation and just saying it's all the fault of the government is nonsense and narrow minded. lot of countries have done better because of many differing factors that you can't make 1 to 1 comparisons. Korea they have a different social/ecological structures, honour, social responsibility and more prepared cos of previous outbreaks such as SARs Germany has a much more socially conscious population as well as less area/population density, have more trust in politicians and more likely to follow guidelines. UK there is little social conscience and responsibility. Only need to look and the beaches, street parties, protests - anti mask, anti vaccination stick it to the man attitude, Ageing population, high dependency on imported products, media and opposition politicians undermining the government at every opportunity, bad decisions, bad advice, poor knowledge to name but a few. So if you look at each case individually your see that actually different social/ecological/population distribution /age demography/ etc 1 to 1 comparisons become meaningless Some intelligent thinking in there chap. But let's just blame one person instead. Trump gets so much hate and blame for those American deaths. As you've said people will just blame the one person instead.
I mean it’s almost like it’s their job
I mean it's almost like the people who were voted in to run a country, should actually accept some responsibility.
Sure all the people at the illegal gatherings and raves were saying, waving their arms and glowsticks, it's ok its Boris' fault I'm here!!!!
All the people who rushed off abroad for their holidays and then rushed back bringing the infections with them, thinking it's OK, its Boris' fault it's his job.
I think the biggest mistake Boris' made was having too much faith in British people to pull together, think of others and do the right thing.
After all he is a rich Conservative PM detached from the people and not realising what a selfish, self centred f...ers they are. and yes he should be held accountable
The majority did but they are not the ones bitching about what a shit Prime Minister Boris is and getting on with trying to get us and them out of this.
So because a minority of people have broke the rules that absolves the people handling the situation of any responsibility?
Do you think we are all in this situation and we should all be pulling together?
I don't think there's is a significant 'minority' that have broken the rules at all.
I think a significant percentage of our population flouted the rules with the attitude that it wouldn't affect them directly.
How are the government supposed to police that??? Society has to take responsibility and ownership for itself.
One things become clear from this. If this generation had to go through what our predecessors had to in 2 world wars, there's have been a different outcome.
Our society has been an embarassment.
People have gone out and worked through the pandemic
People have made ridiculous sacrifices and in many cases shown great kindness.
Normal people have carried us through this pandemic.
The gmnt have given £11b to their mates
And its society which is an embarrassment?
Pal I've worked on the front line the whole way through. What youve described is everyday life, peoples jobs, livelihoods and what we should expect as human beings.
But there is a significant percentage of our society who have let the rest of us down. Unnecesaary foreign travel (because they simply needed a week in the sun) failure to quarantine, house parties, birthday parties, bending guidelines and rules re social gatherings and when the pubs were briefly allowed to open again (simply because the government had to bow to pressure in the run up the Christmas) people proved they couldn't be trusted as they ignored all the guidance. And look where it got us, we are all paying the price now. "No they didnt bow to pressure And even if they did,that's even worse. They were told to lockdown and completely ignored it.Boris even tried to score political points by accusing starmer of wanting to cancel Christmas. When they were left with no option,only then did they lockdown,far too late. | |||
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"Is there anyone on here that has not broken or bent the rules slightly lol I haven’t .... I’m not a dick " “........ I haven’t .... I’m not a dick...” —————————————- I read that as: “ I haven’t .... got a dick “ Yeh I get that | |||
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"People have broken the rules on every country on the planet. It seems only in the uk it's an excuse for letting the people responsible for running the country, take any responsibility." Bang on Lionel, note Belguim has flattened that curve during the second resurgence, it was close to blowing up again around October but the deaths declined. There doing ok now. | |||
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"More people live in London than New Zealand, what chance do we have with idiots still partying and crowding, rioting, and family gatherings weddings etc. " It’s true more people live in London than New Zealand. But it’s not just about population size. The lack of adherence to rules as you’ve pointed out, is big part of the problem. | |||
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"For those defending Boris etc I just want to ask one question, surely in a democracy we are entitled to hold those decision makers accountable when it is clear mistakes have been made? As we, slowly, start to approach the light at the end of the tunnel the finger pointing and recriminations are only going to grow. Other countries have out performed us quite simply and we, as a nation, hang on to this notion that we are an international superpower. That hasn’t been the case for many years There will be many questions, but just constant criticism without any offer of constructive solutions is not the answer and shows that the critics really have no idea either. The UK is a complex as intimated in many posts there are many overlapping conditions that have attributed to current situation and just saying it's all the fault of the government is nonsense and narrow minded. lot of countries have done better because of many differing factors that you can't make 1 to 1 comparisons. Korea they have a different social/ecological structures, honour, social responsibility and more prepared cos of previous outbreaks such as SARs Germany has a much more socially conscious population as well as less area/population density, have more trust in politicians and more likely to follow guidelines. UK there is little social conscience and responsibility. Only need to look and the beaches, street parties, protests - anti mask, anti vaccination stick it to the man attitude, Ageing population, high dependency on imported products, media and opposition politicians undermining the government at every opportunity, bad decisions, bad advice, poor knowledge to name but a few. So if you look at each case individually your see that actually different social/ecological/population distribution /age demography/ etc 1 to 1 comparisons become meaningless Some intelligent thinking in there chap. But let's just blame one person instead. Trump gets so much hate and blame for those American deaths. As you've said people will just blame the one person instead.
I mean it’s almost like it’s their job
I mean it's almost like the people who were voted in to run a country, should actually accept some responsibility.
Sure all the people at the illegal gatherings and raves were saying, waving their arms and glowsticks, it's ok its Boris' fault I'm here!!!!
All the people who rushed off abroad for their holidays and then rushed back bringing the infections with them, thinking it's OK, its Boris' fault it's his job.
I think the biggest mistake Boris' made was having too much faith in British people to pull together, think of others and do the right thing.
After all he is a rich Conservative PM detached from the people and not realising what a selfish, self centred f...ers they are. and yes he should be held accountable
The majority did but they are not the ones bitching about what a shit Prime Minister Boris is and getting on with trying to get us and them out of this.
So because a minority of people have broke the rules that absolves the people handling the situation of any responsibility?
Do you think we are all in this situation and we should all be pulling together?
I don't think there's is a significant 'minority' that have broken the rules at all.
I think a significant percentage of our population flouted the rules with the attitude that it wouldn't affect them directly.
How are the government supposed to police that??? Society has to take responsibility and ownership for itself.
One things become clear from this. If this generation had to go through what our predecessors had to in 2 world wars, there's have been a different outcome.
Our society has been an embarassment.
People have gone out and worked through the pandemic
People have made ridiculous sacrifices and in many cases shown great kindness.
Normal people have carried us through this pandemic.
The gmnt have given £11b to their mates
And its society which is an embarrassment?
Pal I've worked on the front line the whole way through. What youve described is everyday life, peoples jobs, livelihoods and what we should expect as human beings.
But there is a significant percentage of our society who have let the rest of us down. Unnecesaary foreign travel (because they simply needed a week in the sun) failure to quarantine, house parties, birthday parties, bending guidelines and rules re social gatherings and when the pubs were briefly allowed to open again (simply because the government had to bow to pressure in the run up the Christmas) people proved they couldn't be trusted as they ignored all the guidance. And look where it got us, we are all paying the price now. "Spot on | |||
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"Jacinda Arden posted a video today, at a large BBQ. No social distancing l, no masks, no new local cases for weeks. It made me a-bit emotional. Yes it’s unfair to compare NZ handling of the pandemic with the UKs. The population difference and density one factor, but the most obvious is that NZ have a competent leader Ah, just another thread to knock Boris. Why not just start a hate Boris thread instead of wrapping it up in some waste of time comparison " Exactly! Now we are rolling out the most successful vaccine program in the world and silence from the Boris haters eagerly waiting for their letter informing them of an upcoming jab! | |||
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"Jacinda Arden posted a video today, at a large BBQ. No social distancing l, no masks, no new local cases for weeks. It made me a-bit emotional. Yes it’s unfair to compare NZ handling of the pandemic with the UKs. The population difference and density one factor, but the most obvious is that NZ have a competent leader Ah, just another thread to knock Boris. Why not just start a hate Boris thread instead of wrapping it up in some waste of time comparison " Spot on. More nonsense from fab experts! If only Boris had gone to them - we would have done so much better. More than a few captain hind sights on here! | |||
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"Go move there then. So many other factors, not just population and density play a part. Our economy and production are alot more advanced than the majority of other countries. " Shhhh not allowed to say anything positive about the UK. | |||
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"Jacinda Arden posted a video today, at a large BBQ. No social distancing l, no masks, no new local cases for weeks. It made me a-bit emotional. Yes it’s unfair to compare NZ handling of the pandemic with the UKs. The population difference and density one factor, but the most obvious is that NZ have a competent leader Ah, just another thread to knock Boris. Why not just start a hate Boris thread instead of wrapping it up in some waste of time comparison Exactly! Now we are rolling out the most successful vaccine program in the world and silence from the Boris haters eagerly waiting for their letter informing them of an upcoming jab! " What are you basing that the most successful vaccine programme in the world claim on? | |||
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"For those defending Boris etc I just want to ask one question, surely in a democracy we are entitled to hold those decision makers accountable when it is clear mistakes have been made? As we, slowly, start to approach the light at the end of the tunnel the finger pointing and recriminations are only going to grow. Other countries have out performed us quite simply and we, as a nation, hang on to this notion that we are an international superpower. That hasn’t been the case for many years There will be many questions, but just constant criticism without any offer of constructive solutions is not the answer and shows that the critics really have no idea either. The UK is a complex as intimated in many posts there are many overlapping conditions that have attributed to current situation and just saying it's all the fault of the government is nonsense and narrow minded. lot of countries have done better because of many differing factors that you can't make 1 to 1 comparisons. Korea they have a different social/ecological structures, honour, social responsibility and more prepared cos of previous outbreaks such as SARs Germany has a much more socially conscious population as well as less area/population density, have more trust in politicians and more likely to follow guidelines. UK there is little social conscience and responsibility. Only need to look and the beaches, street parties, protests - anti mask, anti vaccination stick it to the man attitude, Ageing population, high dependency on imported products, media and opposition politicians undermining the government at every opportunity, bad decisions, bad advice, poor knowledge to name but a few. So if you look at each case individually your see that actually different social/ecological/population distribution /age demography/ etc 1 to 1 comparisons become meaningless Some intelligent thinking in there chap. But let's just blame one person instead. Trump gets so much hate and blame for those American deaths. As you've said people will just blame the one person instead.
I mean it’s almost like it’s their job
I mean it's almost like the people who were voted in to run a country, should actually accept some responsibility.
Sure all the people at the illegal gatherings and raves were saying, waving their arms and glowsticks, it's ok its Boris' fault I'm here!!!!
All the people who rushed off abroad for their holidays and then rushed back bringing the infections with them, thinking it's OK, its Boris' fault it's his job.
I think the biggest mistake Boris' made was having too much faith in British people to pull together, think of others and do the right thing.
After all he is a rich Conservative PM detached from the people and not realising what a selfish, self centred f...ers they are. and yes he should be held accountable
The majority did but they are not the ones bitching about what a shit Prime Minister Boris is and getting on with trying to get us and them out of this.
So because a minority of people have broke the rules that absolves the people handling the situation of any responsibility?
Do you think we are all in this situation and we should all be pulling together?
I don't think there's is a significant 'minority' that have broken the rules at all.
I think a significant percentage of our population flouted the rules with the attitude that it wouldn't affect them directly.
How are the government supposed to police that??? Society has to take responsibility and ownership for itself.
One things become clear from this. If this generation had to go through what our predecessors had to in 2 world wars, there's have been a different outcome.
Our society has been an embarassment.
So you think the majority have broken the rules?
LOL I said
"The majority did but they are not the ones bitching about what a shit Prime Minister Boris is and getting on with trying to get us and them out of this."
They did follow the rules and they are not the the ones bitching about Boris and the government!!!
An example of selective reading "That is some leap there! I AM BLAMING THE GOVERNMENT! I have stuck by every rule. Not even bended a rule. I have done everything in my power to help get us out of this. Can only base my views on what I observe where I live and can say that here the vast majority are indeed being sensible and sticking to the rules (and infection rates throughout for Brighton have been below national average). So yes I can blame the government and I can blame Johnson and can do so 100% confident there is no hypocrisy in me doing that. And yes I blame elements in British society that flouted/ignored the rules as they too have made this worse and prolonged it! | |||
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"Jacinda Arden posted a video today, at a large BBQ. No social distancing l, no masks, no new local cases for weeks. It made me a-bit emotional. Yes it’s unfair to compare NZ handling of the pandemic with the UKs. The population difference and density one factor, but the most obvious is that NZ have a competent leader The biggest difference pal is that New Zealanders did as they were asked!! A bit like yourself we are always looking for someone else to blame, that's our 'culture' and our sense of entitlement to do as we want and see what we can get away with. The reality is, if we as a society as a whole had adhered to guidelines and taken on responsibility for our own actions. If we had applied logic and common sense to foreign travel rather than seeing what we could get away with and what holidays we could take a quick trip to for a week before they went on the UK banned list. If we had taken that responsibiliy ourselves rather than having to have the law laid down and curfews and absolute bans put in place then we'd have been much better off by now. This is our fault as a society. The guidelines were already there, we've just proven ourselves to be a society of ignorance selfish cunts who behave like children and can not be trusted. Don't blame the government. Its always someone else's fault!!! " Superb sir! | |||
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"Go move there then. So many other factors, not just population and density play a part. Our economy and production are alot more advanced than the majority of other countries. " If you dare to criticise the gmnt fuck off and move. Brilliant. | |||
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"Go move there then. So many other factors, not just population and density play a part. Our economy and production are alot more advanced than the majority of other countries. If you dare to criticise the gmnt fuck off and move. Brilliant. " Well if you dont like somthing then you have options, thats just one of them. Why moan/criticise about somthing and do nothing about it. | |||
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"Go move there then. So many other factors, not just population and density play a part. Our economy and production are alot more advanced than the majority of other countries. If you dare to criticise the gmnt fuck off and move. Brilliant. Well if you dont like somthing then you have options, thats just one of them. Why moan/criticise about somthing and do nothing about it." Because last time I checked we had something called free speech? | |||
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"Go move there then. So many other factors, not just population and density play a part. Our economy and production are alot more advanced than the majority of other countries. If you dare to criticise the gmnt fuck off and move. Brilliant. " Thats what you take from the thousands of posts trying to discuss and argue that the govt have made mistakes, that the people have made mistakes and we all need to work together to get out of this quicker. Nobody is exempt from criticism but it is facile to say all the fault belongs to one individual as certain people do and its even more facile to continue to compare countries performances when they bear no resemblance to ours in terms of demographics, population, behaviour, economics, obesity, housing and so on. And for those can see no good at all in the UK and continue to repeatedly spout negativity about our country in here. You're just antagonising now. | |||
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"Go move there then. So many other factors, not just population and density play a part. Our economy and production are alot more advanced than the majority of other countries. If you dare to criticise the gmnt fuck off and move. Brilliant. " Notice how all those defending the govt (or saying don’t blame Boris) never have anything to say about the huge corruption that is evident through cash for cronies? Their apathy towards the theft of our money is simply unreal! Assume they will all be happy when taxes rise to pay for that huge transfer of state assets into a select few private hands? And before anyone jumps on, yes taxes will rise to pay for good stuff like furlough, vaccine cost etc but the overall bill has been pumped up by bogus contracts to the tune if £billions. But hey, Boris and chums are doing a good job hey! | |||
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"Jacinda Arden posted a video today, at a large BBQ. No social distancing l, no masks, no new local cases for weeks. It made me a-bit emotional. Yes it’s unfair to compare NZ handling of the pandemic with the UKs. The population difference and density one factor, but the most obvious is that NZ have a competent leader Ah, just another thread to knock Boris. Why not just start a hate Boris thread instead of wrapping it up in some waste of time comparison Exactly! Now we are rolling out the most successful vaccine program in the world and silence from the Boris haters eagerly waiting for their letter informing them of an upcoming jab! " The one thing he appears to have got right does not redeem him of the incompetence he has demonstrated for the last year. I’m a Boris hater I most definitely am not silent .... 115000 deaths due to the man’s inability to make a decision. | |||
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"Go move there then. So many other factors, not just population and density play a part. Our economy and production are alot more advanced than the majority of other countries. If you dare to criticise the gmnt fuck off and move. Brilliant. Thats what you take from the thousands of posts trying to discuss and argue that the govt have made mistakes, that the people have made mistakes and we all need to work together to get out of this quicker. Nobody is exempt from criticism but it is facile to say all the fault belongs to one individual as certain people do and its even more facile to continue to compare countries performances when they bear no resemblance to ours in terms of demographics, population, behaviour, economics, obesity, housing and so on. And for those can see no good at all in the UK and continue to repeatedly spout negativity about our country in here. You're just antagonising now. " The post literally says go and move if you dont like it. No one is saying the fault lies with one person. | |||
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"Go move there then. So many other factors, not just population and density play a part. Our economy and production are alot more advanced than the majority of other countries. If you dare to criticise the gmnt fuck off and move. Brilliant. Notice how all those defending the govt (or saying don’t blame Boris) never have anything to say about the huge corruption that is evident through cash for cronies? Their apathy towards the theft of our money is simply unreal! Assume they will all be happy when taxes rise to pay for that huge transfer of state assets into a select few private hands? And before anyone jumps on, yes taxes will rise to pay for good stuff like furlough, vaccine cost etc but the overall bill has been pumped up by bogus contracts to the tune if £billions. But hey, Boris and chums are doing a good job hey! " Their argument is based on why should the gmnt take responsibility when people have broken the rules? Conveniently ignoring the fact that people in every country on earth have broken the rules. | |||
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"Jacinda Arden posted a video today, at a large BBQ. No social distancing l, no masks, no new local cases for weeks. It made me a-bit emotional. Yes it’s unfair to compare NZ handling of the pandemic with the UKs. The population difference and density one factor, but the most obvious is that NZ have a competent leader Ah, just another thread to knock Boris. Why not just start a hate Boris thread instead of wrapping it up in some waste of time comparison Exactly! Now we are rolling out the most successful vaccine program in the world and silence from the Boris haters eagerly waiting for their letter informing them of an upcoming jab! What are you basing that the most successful vaccine programme in the world claim on?" I'm basing on the fact that only Israel and the UAE are ahead of the UK in percentage terms but from a demographic and logistical point of view those 2 countries lend themselves better to that increased rollout. Here in the UK we face far bigger obstacles yet have now vaccinated nearly 1 in 4 adults - a remarkable achievement and one we should all be proud of although no doubt the Boris haters won't be satisfied with that. His early ordering of large volumes of a number of vaccines haven proven to be critical and hopefully we will now have enough supplies throughout 2021. So all in all, a pretty successful vaccine rollout and with all factors considered, surely currently, the finest rollout on the planet? | |||
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"Jacinda Arden posted a video today, at a large BBQ. No social distancing l, no masks, no new local cases for weeks. It made me a-bit emotional. Yes it’s unfair to compare NZ handling of the pandemic with the UKs. The population difference and density one factor, but the most obvious is that NZ have a competent leader Ah, just another thread to knock Boris. Why not just start a hate Boris thread instead of wrapping it up in some waste of time comparison Exactly! Now we are rolling out the most successful vaccine program in the world and silence from the Boris haters eagerly waiting for their letter informing them of an upcoming jab! What are you basing that the most successful vaccine programme in the world claim on? I'm basing on the fact that only Israel and the UAE are ahead of the UK in percentage terms but from a demographic and logistical point of view those 2 countries lend themselves better to that increased rollout. Here in the UK we face far bigger obstacles yet have now vaccinated nearly 1 in 4 adults - a remarkable achievement and one we should all be proud of although no doubt the Boris haters won't be satisfied with that. His early ordering of large volumes of a number of vaccines haven proven to be critical and hopefully we will now have enough supplies throughout 2021. So all in all, a pretty successful vaccine rollout and with all factors considered, surely currently, the finest rollout on the planet? " Well considering wales are the only home nation to hit the target ,we are not even the best in the uk You said yourself we are also behind isreal and uae. So best in the world.. not really..but it's been a hugely successful programme. What a difference it makes when you entrust the the NHS with something (you know that same NHS who they imposed a 6 year pay freeze on)rather than the likes of Circo. Maybe this will make them realise how important it is. | |||
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"Go move there then. So many other factors, not just population and density play a part. Our economy and production are alot more advanced than the majority of other countries. If you dare to criticise the gmnt fuck off and move. Brilliant. Well if you dont like somthing then you have options, thats just one of them. Why moan/criticise about somthing and do nothing about it. Because last time I checked we had something called free speech?" There was me thinking freedom of speech works both ways. | |||
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"Jacinda Arden posted a video today, at a large BBQ. No social distancing l, no masks, no new local cases for weeks. It made me a-bit emotional. Yes it’s unfair to compare NZ handling of the pandemic with the UKs. The population difference and density one factor, but the most obvious is that NZ have a competent leader Ah, just another thread to knock Boris. Why not just start a hate Boris thread instead of wrapping it up in some waste of time comparison Exactly! Now we are rolling out the most successful vaccine program in the world and silence from the Boris haters eagerly waiting for their letter informing them of an upcoming jab! What are you basing that the most successful vaccine programme in the world claim on? I'm basing on the fact that only Israel and the UAE are ahead of the UK in percentage terms but from a demographic and logistical point of view those 2 countries lend themselves better to that increased rollout. Here in the UK we face far bigger obstacles yet have now vaccinated nearly 1 in 4 adults - a remarkable achievement and one we should all be proud of although no doubt the Boris haters won't be satisfied with that. His early ordering of large volumes of a number of vaccines haven proven to be critical and hopefully we will now have enough supplies throughout 2021. So all in all, a pretty successful vaccine rollout and with all factors considered, surely currently, the finest rollout on the planet? Well considering wales are the only home nation to hit the target ,we are not even the best in the uk You said yourself we are also behind isreal and uae. So best in the world.. not really..but it's been a hugely successful programme. What a difference it makes when you entrust the the NHS with something (you know that same NHS who they imposed a 6 year pay freeze on)rather than the likes of Circo. Maybe this will make them realise how important it is." and not hitting the target will be the government’s fault again ? No it’s those that haven’t turned up when offered | |||
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