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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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from university of Warwick.. just watched him on bbc news asking what we are prepared to accept as a society in regards to opening society up once first wave of vaccination is done.. he is arguing that it will never be eradicated but we need to live it with it somehow? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"from university of Warwick.. just watched him on bbc news asking what we are prepared to accept as a society in regards to opening society up once first wave of vaccination is done.. he is arguing that it will never be eradicated but we need to live it with it somehow? "
Sir Charles Walker was pretty spicy the other day too. Didn’t have many nice things to say about Matt Hancock. Noticing more and more critical voices getting air time on the likes of sky news and the bbc. |
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By *ocbigMan
over a year ago
Birmingham |
I can’t see it being eradicated, although not being an epidemiologist or any medical qualifications at all...what do I know? It just seems the genie is out of the bottle, we live with the common cold, flu & similar infections, do we simply need to modify society. |
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We will be living with it in some mutated form for years to come so yes there will need to be balance, track and trace that's efficient, fast and more importantly followed and adhered by the public will be important..
That however needs timely and appropriate financial support but we've seen in this last eleven months has been an issue..
Sooner the political class is honest about the long term effects on society the sooner some who think this will be gone by June etc might accept it..
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"from university of Warwick.. just watched him on bbc news asking what we are prepared to accept as a society in regards to opening society up once first wave of vaccination is done.. he is arguing that it will never be eradicated but we need to live it with it somehow?
Sir Charles Walker was pretty spicy the other day too. Didn’t have many nice things to say about Matt Hancock. Noticing more and more critical voices getting air time on the likes of sky news and the bbc. "
About time we heard other experts views ,seems like they have been censored unless they toe the Governments line |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I think we have to find ways to live with it as it seems like covid is here to stay, maybe one day it will disappear on its own but certainly we can’t stop living until that happens. So we need to adapt and become more efficient, whether that’s with vaccinating every year etc
Also seems like they are finding good treatments for the worst cases
I think it’s time we sort of have a bit of a think of moving forward as this living situation is not sustainable for longer .. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I think we have to find ways to live with it as it seems like covid is here to stay, maybe one day it will disappear on its own but certainly we can’t stop living until that happens. So we need to adapt and become more efficient, whether that’s with vaccinating every year etc
Also seems like they are finding good treatments for the worst cases
I think it’s time we sort of have a bit of a think of moving forward as this living situation is not sustainable for longer .."
Let's just wait a little longer to see how the vaccine works on reducing the virus eh  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Interesting how lots of counties are vertually back to normal after actually following lockdown. And yet here we are... still flaunting the rules and saying... yeah live with it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Interesting how lots of counties are vertually back to normal after actually following lockdown. And yet here we are... still flaunting the rules and saying... yeah live with it. "
Never underestimate the stupidity of the Tories. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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also ive been re reading animal farm and boxer worked himself to death in hard times for a left wing ideal... so as much as i hate them this is not a left or right thing
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"also ive been re reading animal farm and boxer worked himself to death in hard times for a left wing ideal... so as much as i hate them this is not a left or right thing
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Its a court jester in charge, issue. |
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Reduced potential for it to reproduce, keeps mutations lower. This in turn means that those countries with high vaccination rates potentially gain herd immunity, meaning that regular booster jabs could be the most effort that most will need to take, in the longer term.
Global vaccination programmes, at lower costs for poorer nations, will help to develop an approach that could also minimise its opportunities to wreak catastrophe over decades.
In the meantime, we must rebuild and invest more into the NHS. Globally we should all do more to reduce the potential of new future viruses humping to humans from animals and be better ready for when they do, as well as the huge flu pandemic that's due. |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
bournemouth |
"Interesting how lots of counties are vertually back to normal after actually following lockdown. And yet here we are... still flaunting the rules and saying... yeah live with it. "
Which are these lots of countries virtually back to normal ? |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
Thought it was widely known and accepted that Covid is here to stay? Like Flu there will be a need for annual booster vaccines.
Most years c.10k ppl in UK die of Flu. Few years back we had a bad winter and c.50k died.
So what is considered an acceptable number of deaths per year from Covid?
Personally I don’t know as that is a morally difficult area but arguably Covid matching Flu is likely to be acceptable to UK people? |
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"Interesting how lots of counties are vertually back to normal after actually following lockdown. And yet here we are... still flaunting the rules and saying... yeah live with it.
Which are these lots of countries virtually back to normal ?"
China, most of the Middle East, many of the African countries my students come from. Foreign travellers aren't allowed in most of them and some require face masks, but for many of my students studying in their home countries, they don't have to wear masks anymore, they can go to the cinema, cafés etc. |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
bournemouth |
"Interesting how lots of counties are vertually back to normal after actually following lockdown. And yet here we are... still flaunting the rules and saying... yeah live with it.
Which are these lots of countries virtually back to normal ?
China, most of the Middle East, many of the African countries my students come from. Foreign travellers aren't allowed in most of them and some require face masks, but for many of my students studying in their home countries, they don't have to wear masks anymore, they can go to the cinema, cafés etc. "
Oh yes forgot china they have averaged 50 cases a day since April, yes of course they have, and looking through five or six middle east countries they all have rising cases, Oz and NZ are sort of normal if you count not bring able to leave nor anyone allowed in as normal. |
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"Interesting how lots of counties are vertually back to normal after actually following lockdown. And yet here we are... still flaunting the rules and saying... yeah live with it.
Which are these lots of countries virtually back to normal ?
China, most of the Middle East, many of the African countries my students come from. Foreign travellers aren't allowed in most of them and some require face masks, but for many of my students studying in their home countries, they don't have to wear masks anymore, they can go to the cinema, cafés etc.
Oh yes forgot china they have averaged 50 cases a day since April, yes of course they have, and looking through five or six middle east countries they all have rising cases, Oz and NZ are sort of normal if you count not bring able to leave nor anyone allowed in as normal."
The question wasn't how many countries have rising cases or not. The question was how many countries are back to "normal"? I teach students across the world and chat to them about the situation at home and it's very interesting to hear how many countries (cases or not) are essentially back to life as usual, with the occasional face mask. These countries have children in school/uni, cafés/restaurants open etc. Simply relaying what my students report.
I have first hand accounts of the situation in Myanmar too (that's hard to deal with, how can I help them?) |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
bournemouth |
"Interesting how lots of counties are vertually back to normal after actually following lockdown. And yet here we are... still flaunting the rules and saying... yeah live with it.
Which are these lots of countries virtually back to normal ?
China, most of the Middle East, many of the African countries my students come from. Foreign travellers aren't allowed in most of them and some require face masks, but for many of my students studying in their home countries, they don't have to wear masks anymore, they can go to the cinema, cafés etc.
Oh yes forgot china they have averaged 50 cases a day since April, yes of course they have, and looking through five or six middle east countries they all have rising cases, Oz and NZ are sort of normal if you count not bring able to leave nor anyone allowed in as normal.
The question wasn't how many countries have rising cases or not. The question was how many countries are back to "normal"? I teach students across the world and chat to them about the situation at home and it's very interesting to hear how many countries (cases or not) are essentially back to life as usual, with the occasional face mask. These countries have children in school/uni, cafés/restaurants open etc. Simply relaying what my students report.
I have first hand accounts of the situation in Myanmar too (that's hard to deal with, how can I help them?)"
We were like that in the summer by and large, it's a very simple fact that until countries have achieved herd immunity via either vaccine or cases they will all suffer riding case numbers between lockdowns, you only need one case for it to resurface and spread. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"from university of Warwick.. just watched him on bbc news asking what we are prepared to accept as a society in regards to opening society up once first wave of vaccination is done.. he is arguing that it will never be eradicated but we need to live it with it somehow? "
Fills in news time
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By *aralewisCouple
over a year ago
South Yorkshire |
We can’t continue with this lockdown forever because if we’ve not realised Virus have been here long before humans and will be here once we’ve all gone
Nature has always killed the old and weak..
The world over populated and humans have been the biggest and worst thing this planet treat to it so maybe now it’s nature time to fight back |
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As a footnote, I have worked in the NHS in various clinical roles for over 30yrs, it's always been a struggle. The nhs has been under pressure for at least the last 20yrs. We are not saving the NHS another load of propaganda...if they wanted to save the nhs they would have before now. |
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By *ik MMan
over a year ago
Lancashire |
"He's correct. I keep saying it's a virus they mutate and, stay around. This idea we can eradicate it then be free it propaganda.
You mean like the smallpox virus that is still around ? "
Great example - smallpox was around for 3000 years and then for another 100+ years post vaccine |
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"He's correct. I keep saying it's a virus they mutate and, stay around. This idea we can eradicate it then be free it propaganda.
You mean like the smallpox virus that is still around ? "
I mean like flu |
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By *reyyaMan
over a year ago
North Yorkshire |
"I think we have to find ways to live with it as it seems like covid is here to stay, maybe one day it will disappear on its own but certainly we can’t stop living until that happens. So we need to adapt and become more efficient, whether that’s with vaccinating every year etc
Also seems like they are finding good treatments for the worst cases
I think it’s time we sort of have a bit of a think of moving forward as this living situation is not sustainable for longer ..
Let's just wait a little longer to see how the vaccine works on reducing the virus eh "
It strikes me the vaccine reduces the epidemic by reducing the population.
Influenza needs to receive more attention as it is a bigger killer than Covid. |
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By *reyyaMan
over a year ago
North Yorkshire |
The job of Covid 19 is to spread the disease into as many more hosts as possible and not kill the host. So why does Covid 19 turn on the host who may have been carrying Covid 19 without knowing it and kill the host after the host receives the vaccine? |
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By *D835Man
over a year ago
London |
"Interesting how lots of counties are vertually back to normal after actually following lockdown. And yet here we are... still flaunting the rules and saying... yeah live with it.
Which are these lots of countries virtually back to normal ?
China, most of the Middle East, many of the African countries my students come from. Foreign travellers aren't allowed in most of them and some require face masks, but for many of my students studying in their home countries, they don't have to wear masks anymore, they can go to the cinema, cafés etc.
Oh yes forgot china they have averaged 50 cases a day since April, yes of course they have, and looking through five or six middle east countries they all have rising cases, Oz and NZ are sort of normal if you count not bring able to leave nor anyone allowed in as normal.
The question wasn't how many countries have rising cases or not. The question was how many countries are back to "normal"? I teach students across the world and chat to them about the situation at home and it's very interesting to hear how many countries (cases or not) are essentially back to life as usual, with the occasional face mask. These countries have children in school/uni, cafés/restaurants open etc. Simply relaying what my students report.
I have first hand accounts of the situation in Myanmar too (that's hard to deal with, how can I help them?)
We were like that in the summer by and large, it's a very simple fact that until countries have achieved herd immunity via either vaccine or cases they will all suffer riding case numbers between lockdowns, you only need one case for it to resurface and spread."
You seem to be missing the point the previous poster (kinky couple 2020) are making. Cases will go up and down for time to time everywhere.
The point being made is:- some countries have handled the pandemic much more effectively, and that has seen them return to some ‘form of normalcy’
This includes: Australia, New Zealand, parts of East Asia, South East Asia, Middle East, & Africa.
In some of these places, people are attend sporting events, pubs and restaurants open as usual, and many other social activities are allowed to continue.
One of the main restrictions in place, is that people can’t travel in and out easily as most of these countries have closed their borders since March 2020.
But most of these countries will rather have restricted travel if it keeps infections low enough to help them enjoy more freedoms within their respective countries. |
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By *reyyaMan
over a year ago
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Rubbish. The world is hardly populated. There are states in the USA bigger than England where only 3 million people live. These states can be populated. And not just America. Australia is empty. Russia too. |
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"The job of Covid 19 is to spread the disease into as many more hosts as possible and not kill the host. So why does Covid 19 turn on the host who may have been carrying Covid 19 without knowing it and kill the host after the host receives the vaccine?"
You need to do some studying and work out how a virus infects the body and how it kills people.
The virus doesn't kill people, the infected persons auto immune system overreacts and shuts the body down. Jeeze and you think we should follow your advice when you don't even understand the basic processes involved. |
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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago
The South |
"Interesting how lots of counties are vertually back to normal after actually following lockdown. And yet here we are... still flaunting the rules and saying... yeah live with it.
Never underestimate the stupidity of the Tories."
I don't think the general public flouting the rules is due to the stupidity of the Tories.
I'd say that was the stupidity of the people who are flouting the rules.
But hey ho, I'm not trying to score cheap political points, missing the goal and putting the ball in row Z. 
Government say stay home.
People go out.
Government say wear a mask.
People don't wear masks.
Government says observe social distancing.
People ignore social distancing.
But somehow, it's the stupid governments fault.
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what the givernment actually said, “I was at a hospital the other night where I think there were actually a few coronavirus patients and I shook hands with everybody, you’ll be pleased to know, and I continue to shake hands,” |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Rubbish. The world is hardly populated. There are states in the USA bigger than England where only 3 million people live. These states can be populated. And not just America. Australia is empty. Russia too. "
It isn't about room to live, its the resources to feed them (and give them a shiny consumer lifestyle). The planet does not have enough resources to allow an ever expanding population. Sure we could manage more people with better food tech etc but it is going to take a serious shift in mindset.
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"Rubbish. The world is hardly populated. There are states in the USA bigger than England where only 3 million people live. These states can be populated. And not just America. Australia is empty. Russia too.
It isn't about room to live, its the resources to feed them (and give them a shiny consumer lifestyle). The planet does not have enough resources to allow an ever expanding population. Sure we could manage more people with better food tech etc but it is going to take a serious shift in mindset.
Mr"
But I was looking forward to sunbathing in the 50 plus degree outback come Summer, if I feel a little warm I'll jet off to my other home in the frozen northern wastelands that is Siberia to cool down in the minus 50 degree range, life was going to be soooo good... |
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