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"Can understand the hotel quarantine, will not need it myself thankfully but do think £1750.00 is a bit over the top. The usual British rip off. Someone is making an over the top profit. " Absolutely over the top... that’s like £175 .. they better bring in caviar and oysters for that price !! Counting rooms nowadays for normal hotels go for £50... if that. I don’t understand where they get that figure from. Bet you the meals would be stingy... like microwaveable crap and a sandwich + crisps... | |||
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"Can understand the hotel quarantine, will not need it myself thankfully but do think £1750.00 is a bit over the top. The usual British rip off. Someone is making an over the top profit. Absolutely over the top... that’s like £175 .. they better bring in caviar and oysters for that price !! Counting rooms nowadays for normal hotels go for £50... if that. I don’t understand where they get that figure from. Bet you the meals would be stingy... like microwaveable crap and a sandwich + crisps... " 175 per day | |||
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"They will also have to pay for security staff to guard the rooms. " Yes if you want to leave your Room at all even for a cigarette you have to be escorted by a security guard. You also now have to pay for a test before you leave, one when you come back and 2 during your quarantine So for most people going abroad this year is just not going to be affordable. | |||
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"It is a lot but it's not about being a rip off is it?!! " It's about 500 pounds more expensive than other countries though. | |||
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"They will also have to pay for security staff to guard the rooms. " Can understand that but still think it's way over the top. Compared to what I have read that other countries are charging for the same thing. | |||
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"It is a lot but it's not about being a rip off is it?!! It's about 500 pounds more expensive than other countries though." Perhaps we are providing a better quarantine experience? I can't be bothered to Google today  | |||
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"The hotel where I work were offering to charge £1000 for 10 days ,would include breakfast and lunch and dinner voucher £15 and £25 " It's a national fee it's not based on each individual hotel because you don't get to choose you just get put somewhere. The hotel may well be offering it for a 1000 but the charge to the customer will be 1700. | |||
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"It is a lot but it's not about being a rip off is it?!! It's about 500 pounds more expensive than other countries though. Perhaps we are providing a better quarantine experience? I can't be bothered to Google today "I doubt it and seeing as this country's track record on food parcels for children on free school meals or the shielding parcels I wouldn't think it's gonna be very much at all. | |||
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"Maybe it is to put people off coming into the country "But it also stops people coming into the country to work or us leaving it because it is also for British citizens returning. | |||
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"Maybe it is to put people off coming into the country "That is, after all, how we stop the importation of more virus. | |||
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"Maybe it is to put people off coming into the country
But it also stops people coming into the country to work or us leaving it because it is also for British citizens returning."The isolation period should be the deterrent. We should not be punitive in our stance by creating an additional, extortionate hotel rate | |||
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"Maybe it is to put people off coming into the country
But it also stops people coming into the country to work or us leaving it because it is also for British citizens returning."What do you suggest instead? Leaving the borders open? | |||
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"Maybe it is to put people off coming into the country "
Also the possibility of £10k fine for lying about countries they have travelled from and a max 10 year jail term. | |||
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"Maybe it is to put people off coming into the country
Also the possibility of £10k fine for lying about countries they have travelled from and a max 10 year jail term. "I just saw that  | |||
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"Maybe it is to put people off coming into the country
But it also stops people coming into the country to work or us leaving it because it is also for British citizens returning.
What do you suggest instead? Leaving the borders open?"No I just expect it to be a reasonable price other country's are managing it for about a £1000 to £1200. And its £1700 per person so if a couple is travelling together even if they would share a Room. There is going to be only 5000 rooms available but at the moment there is a 1000 people from "red" country's coming into the UK so it's just going to be a shambles. This is only for travel from 30 countries so I just don't see how this is effective in any way. | |||
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"Maybe it is to put people off coming into the country "Exactly! | |||
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"It's just contradictory because they are talking about these 30 red countries but then on the same hand talking about opening travel corridors to most of Europe from May so I just feel it's too little too late." It is, but also better something than nothing. | |||
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"It's just contradictory because they are talking about these 30 red countries but then on the same hand talking about opening travel corridors to most of Europe from May so I just feel it's too little too late." It is too late, we all know they should of done something like this, what, nearly 12 months ago. | |||
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"Can understand the hotel quarantine, will not need it myself thankfully but do think £1750.00 is a bit over the top. The usual British rip off. Someone is making an over the top profit. " No different in the Isle of Man, plus break isolation and your jailed | |||
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"It's just contradictory because they are talking about these 30 red countries but then on the same hand talking about opening travel corridors to most of Europe from May so I just feel it's too little too late. It is, but also better something than nothing." Not if it's not effective it's pointless. We have 1000 People A-day coming from one of these 30 countries yet we only have 5000 hotel rooms that have signed up to this so it is being reported that we will run out of these spaces within find days. I don't have a problem with measures being put in place but this just looks like a shambles waiting to happen. | |||
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"It's just contradictory because they are talking about these 30 red countries but then on the same hand talking about opening travel corridors to most of Europe from May so I just feel it's too little too late." Talking about opening travel corridors isnt the same as a definite opening. New variants are emerging. Its never too late to protect against them. | |||
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"It's just contradictory because they are talking about these 30 red countries but then on the same hand talking about opening travel corridors to most of Europe from May so I just feel it's too little too late. It is, but also better something than nothing. Not if it's not effective it's pointless. We have 1000 People A-day coming from one of these 30 countries yet we only have 5000 hotel rooms that have signed up to this so it is being reported that we will run out of these spaces within find days. I don't have a problem with measures being put in place but this just looks like a shambles waiting to happen. " Five | |||
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"It's just contradictory because they are talking about these 30 red countries but then on the same hand talking about opening travel corridors to most of Europe from May so I just feel it's too little too late. Talking about opening travel corridors isnt the same as a definite opening. New variants are emerging. Its never too late to protect against them." But this is only from 30 countries this isn't from everywhere. I could go to France tomorrow and come back 3 days later, Get a taxi home isolate at home for 5 days then get a negative test then Id be allowed out again so I don't understand the effectiveness of this, surely it is better to ban travel completely from these 30 countries unless it is for exceptional reasons that would make more sense to me. | |||
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"It's just contradictory because they are talking about these 30 red countries but then on the same hand talking about opening travel corridors to most of Europe from May so I just feel it's too little too late. Talking about opening travel corridors isnt the same as a definite opening. New variants are emerging. Its never too late to protect against them. But this is only from 30 countries this isn't from everywhere. I could go to France tomorrow and come back 3 days later, Get a taxi home isolate at home for 5 days then get a negative test then Id be allowed out again so I don't understand the effectiveness of this, surely it is better to ban travel completely from these 30 countries unless it is for exceptional reasons that would make more sense to me." I agree all travel should be banned but the government will never do that so thinking this is better than doing nothing. | |||
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"It's just contradictory because they are talking about these 30 red countries but then on the same hand talking about opening travel corridors to most of Europe from May so I just feel it's too little too late. It is, but also better something than nothing. Not if it's not effective it's pointless. We have 1000 People A-day coming from one of these 30 countries yet we only have 5000 hotel rooms that have signed up to this so it is being reported that we will run out of these spaces within five days. I don't have a problem with measures being put in place but this just looks like a shambles waiting to happen. " I'm not arguing it's done well, or its value for money, or there aren't holes. I'm sort of at "thank you sweet baby Jesus we're finally doing a thing"   | |||
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"It should have been in place as long ago as April last year. Are this current useless government that stupid to just catching up with this idea!! " It's not even starting till Monday so if somebody wants to come from one of those countries will just come before then. People have had 2 weeks notice. | |||
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"It should have been in place as long ago as April last year. Are this current useless government that stupid to just catching up with this idea!! It's not even starting till Monday so if somebody wants to come from one of those countries will just come before then. People have had 2 weeks notice." And that in effect is human nature. It sucks ! | |||
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"They will also have to pay for security staff to guard the rooms. Can understand that but still think it's way over the top. Compared to what I have read that other countries are charging for the same thing. " That would be other countries where costs, overheads, wages, taxes are totally and completely different to the UK, yes? E | |||
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lol ....
Makes you think twice about leaving the country doesn't it?
if only the government didn't have to resort to these draconian measures, now being criticised for being "overpriced" to ensure it's occupants adhere to the original very simple inexpensive request.
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" lol ....
Makes you think twice about leaving the country doesn't it?
if only the government didn't have to resort to these draconian measures, now being criticised for being "overpriced" to ensure it's occupants adhere to the original very simple inexpensive request.
"It wouldn’t make me think twice if I deemed it essential- for example a funeral or something. So all it does is let the rich crack on doing what they like and the normal folk who can’t afford it not travel. Put me off a holiday but not essential travel But also appreciate it’s impossible to judge everything essential in its own merit or we’d have been doing that all along for everything x | |||
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" lol ....
Makes you think twice about leaving the country doesn't it?
if only the government didn't have to resort to these draconian measures, now being criticised for being "overpriced" to ensure it's occupants adhere to the original very simple inexpensive request.
It wouldn’t make me think twice if I deemed it essential- for example a funeral or something.
So all it does is let the rich crack on doing what they like and the normal folk who can’t afford it not travel.
Put me off a holiday but not essential travel
But also appreciate it’s impossible to judge everything essential in its own merit or we’d have been doing that all along for everything x "Hopefully it will definitely filter out the essential vs actually essential though! x | |||
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" lol ....
Makes you think twice about leaving the country doesn't it?
if only the government didn't have to resort to these draconian measures, now being criticised for being "overpriced" to ensure it's occupants adhere to the original very simple inexpensive request.
It wouldn’t make me think twice if I deemed it essential- for example a funeral or something.
So all it does is let the rich crack on doing what they like and the normal folk who can’t afford it not travel.
Put me off a holiday but not essential travel
But also appreciate it’s impossible to judge everything essential in its own merit or we’d have been doing that all along for everything x "Many people havent been able to attend funerals in the uk due to travel restrictions and lockdown. | |||
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" lol ....
Makes you think twice about leaving the country doesn't it?
if only the government didn't have to resort to these draconian measures, now being criticised for being "overpriced" to ensure it's occupants adhere to the original very simple inexpensive request.
It wouldn’t make me think twice if I deemed it essential- for example a funeral or something.
So all it does is let the rich crack on doing what they like and the normal folk who can’t afford it not travel.
Put me off a holiday but not essential travel
But also appreciate it’s impossible to judge everything essential in its own merit or we’d have been doing that all along for everything x
Many people havent been able to attend funerals in the uk due to travel restrictions and lockdown.
"Irrelevant where they are, if isolating afterwards was required I’m sure it wouldn’t put a lot of people off if it was deemed essential to them. As I said, hopefully it stops the “essential” travel we all know is crap compared to the actual essential travel x | |||
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"It's just contradictory because they are talking about these 30 red countries but then on the same hand talking about opening travel corridors to most of Europe from May so I just feel it's too little too late. Talking about opening travel corridors isnt the same as a definite opening. New variants are emerging. Its never too late to protect against them. But this is only from 30 countries this isn't from everywhere. I could go to France tomorrow and come back 3 days later, Get a taxi home isolate at home for 5 days then get a negative test then Id be allowed out again so I don't understand the effectiveness of this, surely it is better to ban travel completely from these 30 countries unless it is for exceptional reasons that would make more sense to me." I think now for all other countries you have to get a neg covid test when coming back, then a covid test the second day and 8th day x so 3 in total Think that’s quite a safe bet | |||
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"UK exported British virus to other countries, caused thousands of deaths, now forcing travellers to stay in a hotel and ripping off. This a new post Brexit trade. " Absolutely. Because no one came into the UK carrying the virus did they. Brexit is responsible for the Corona Virus. Well played logic, well played. 
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"It's comparable to Australia, theirs is $2500. It doesn't just cover a normal hotel stay. They have to employ security, people to clean the rooms and provide you with all your meals and I think also collect you from the airport. I'd imagine they have extra insurance to pay as well." I think there’s an element of deterrence in there too? | |||
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"They will also have to pay for security staff to guard the rooms. Yes if you want to leave your Room at all even for a cigarette you have to be escorted by a security guard. You also now have to pay for a test before you leave, one when you come back and 2 during your quarantine So for most people going abroad this year is just not going to be affordable." This only applies to countries on the red list, so places like France & Spain aren't included (yet). So atm it wont apply to regular holiday destinations as I understand it? | |||
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"It's comparable to Australia They have to employ people to clean the rooms " In Australia they don't clean the rooms. People have ordered vacuum cleaners online to be delivered to their rooms. | |||
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"They will also have to pay for security staff to guard the rooms. Yes if you want to leave your Room at all even for a cigarette you have to be escorted by a security guard. You also now have to pay for a test before you leave, one when you come back and 2 during your quarantine So for most people going abroad this year is just not going to be affordable. This only applies to countries on the red list, so places like France & Spain aren't included (yet). So atm it wont apply to regular holiday destinations as I understand it?" Scotland have announced it will be all countries, hope they have plenty of hotel rooms | |||
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"It's comparable to Australia They have to employ people to clean the rooms In Australia they don't clean the rooms. People have ordered vacuum cleaners online to be delivered to their rooms. " It’ll be the deep cleans in between. They won’t be allowed in the room once your there. Your foods left at your door. x | |||
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"Maybe it is to put people off coming into the country
But it also stops people coming into the country to work or us leaving it because it is also for British citizens returning.
What do you suggest instead? Leaving the borders open?
No I just expect it to be a reasonable price other country's are managing it for about a £1000 to £1200.
And its £1700 per person so if a couple is travelling together even if they would share a Room.
There is going to be only 5000 rooms available but at the moment there is a 1000 people from "red" country's coming into the UK so it's just going to be a shambles. This is only for travel from 30 countries so I just don't see how this is effective in any way."Which countries? To be fair, if you booked into a premier and had a meal deal to go with it it would be near on a £100...then you would have to pay for lunch somewhere. The charge for this includes all meals, transport and I am guessing someone has to pay for the extra security so it doesn't seem that much OTT Personally I hope it will put people off travelling here as a couple for a holiday , they would find the place shut anyway but it lessens them bringing another strain in Who knows whether it will be a shambles or not but I am glad they are finally doing something they should have done ages ago. | |||
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"so you think its for hotels only ??? not extra staff ie will there be security - careworkers will there be drs ?? its a package price to include everything ...if you that desperate to travel then pay it if your a company/business then it will be work related and claimed back somewhere "
i do think it can probably be done more competitively than £175 a night (£1750 for 10 days when australia were managing around £1000 for 14 days in august which is when i know someone who had to use it)
but people look at the bare minimum that they can see (bed and food) and forget about all the other elements that are “no value add” to the customer that still cost money | |||
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"Maybe it is to put people off coming into the country "i do think this will be an element ... part of the purpose is to discourage travel while travel puts us at risk of a foreign variant resistant to the vaccine | |||
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"Totally excessive, unless you're in a 5 star Central London hotel. Seeing as they'd not got contracts for the hotels a day or so ago, it reveals awful mismanagement of the whole process. Most Heathrow hotels, for example, can be booked on a no-changes basis for c. £70. Longer stays usually get a discount too. Dinner, bed and breakfast rates can be £130, so 10 days, full occupancy of a hotel on a guaranteed advanced booking basis, should be no more than £1500, which takes it close to a retail individual room rate, that would typically include benefits such as earning loyalty points, for free nights, free room upgrades etc. Shambolic. Apart from a few rooms for essential travellers at the moment which they will have to modify, hotels should be welcoming of large volumes of room bookings for extended periods of time. Away from London, the rates should be much, much lower. Contract catering can provide volume meal deliveries at great prices to the hotels, if they don't have full kitchen services. " what makes you think this guarantees high volume almost full occupancy bookings? the numbers travelling should still be limited since travel is still essential only ... but if a hotel has this govt contract they would need to keep those rooms empty awaiting these bookings from the govt... if anything they will have blocks of rooms sitting empty ring fenced for this purpose til the bookings come in | |||
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"Maybe it is to put people off coming into the country
But it also stops people coming into the country to work or us leaving it because it is also for British citizens returning.
What do you suggest instead? Leaving the borders open?
No I just expect it to be a reasonable price other country's are managing it for about a £1000 to £1200.
And its £1700 per person so if a couple is travelling together even if they would share a Room.
There is going to be only 5000 rooms available but at the moment there is a 1000 people from "red" country's coming into the UK so it's just going to be a shambles. This is only for travel from 30 countries so I just don't see how this is effective in any way."i agree that there should be a base room rate which covers the room and staff costs for the hotel and then a per person rate on top for meals ... if i was travelling in a 2 crammed into 1 room for the same cost as people who have the room solo id be annoyed ... for the sane cost id rather be next door to my partner, space to myself for a week and text / facetime them through the wall if i miss them  | |||
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"I dont think the cost is at all unreasonable for 3 meals a day Extra security will be required If you cant afford to factor it into your budget , dont leave the country. " I dont either.. and there will need to be testing and the cleaning cost too | |||
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"It's comparable to Australia They have to employ people to clean the rooms In Australia they don't clean the rooms. People have ordered vacuum cleaners online to be delivered to their rooms. " There's a deep clean between stays. I believe the outbreak in South Australia was a cleaner who caught it. | |||
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"Book me a room .. who's joining me" No one with a brain, we're in lockdown. Unless you were being funny, in which case, hah hah. E | |||
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"Book me a room .. who's joining me No one with a brain, we're in lockdown. Unless you were being funny, in which case, hah hah. E" Worst swinging holiday ever. | |||
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"Can understand the hotel quarantine, will not need it myself thankfully but do think £1750.00 is a bit over the top. The usual British rip off. Someone is making an over the top profit. " Absolute piss take at that price. Although this should of been in place 12 months ago when virus first started over here | |||
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"It's just contradictory because they are talking about these 30 red countries but then on the same hand talking about opening travel corridors to most of Europe from May so I just feel it's too little too late. Talking about opening travel corridors isnt the same as a definite opening. New variants are emerging. Its never too late to protect against them. But this is only from 30 countries this isn't from everywhere. I could go to France tomorrow and come back 3 days later, Get a taxi home isolate at home for 5 days then get a negative test then Id be allowed out again so I don't understand the effectiveness of this, surely it is better to ban travel completely from these 30 countries unless it is for exceptional reasons that would make more sense to me. I think now for all other countries you have to get a neg covid test when coming back, then a covid test the second day and 8th day x so 3 in total Think that’s quite a safe bet " It is only 33 countries that you have to stay in one of these quarantine hotels and have more than 1 test on your return everywhere else is 1 test then self isolate at home for 10 days. | |||
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"It's comparable to Australia, theirs is $2500. It doesn't just cover a normal hotel stay. They have to employ security, people to clean the rooms and provide you with all your meals and I think also collect you from the airport. I'd imagine they have extra insurance to pay as well." | |||
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"Maybe it is to put people off coming into the country
But it also stops people coming into the country to work or us leaving it because it is also for British citizens returning.
What do you suggest instead? Leaving the borders open?
No I just expect it to be a reasonable price other country's are managing it for about a £1000 to £1200.
And its £1700 per person so if a couple is travelling together even if they would share a Room.
There is going to be only 5000 rooms available but at the moment there is a 1000 people from "red" country's coming into the UK so it's just going to be a shambles. This is only for travel from 30 countries so I just don't see how this is effective in any way.
Which countries?
To be fair, if you booked into a premier and had a meal deal to go with it it would be near on a £100...then you would have to pay for lunch somewhere. The charge for this includes all meals, transport and I am guessing someone has to pay for the extra security so it doesn't seem that much OTT
Personally I hope it will put people off travelling here as a couple for a holiday , they would find the place shut anyway but it lessens them bringing another strain in
Who knows whether it will be a shambles or not but I am glad they are finally doing something they should have done ages ago."Portugal is one of them but it's mainly South American and African countries so not typical holiday destinations. Most of the places people go on holiday are not covered and people can just come back and self declare that they will isolate for 10 days. | |||
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"How about my house is close to the airport...I can go home & it costs nada! " They've tried self quarantine and people take the piss. | |||
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"How about my house is close to the airport...I can go home & it costs nada! They've tried self quarantine and people take the piss." some do, not all. this is the age old issue of punishing everyone for the faults of a few here. I sure they could remote hack my cctv to make sure I don't leave. | |||
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A hotel room 3 meals a day plus beverages ect security to make sure you don’t try to escape add to that the deep clean the hotel is going to have to do between guests sounds about right.
That also includes the transfer from airport to hotel as well more deep cleaning for transport between journeys.
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"Can understand the hotel quarantine, will not need it myself thankfully but do think £1750.00 is a bit over the top. The usual British rip off. Someone is making an over the top profit. " suspect its to act more as a deterant ! ten days in shagaluff 500 quid each tens days qaurentten afterwards on top doesent make the cheap holiday viable job done | |||
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"How about my house is close to the airport...I can go home & it costs nada! They've tried self quarantine and people take the piss. some do, not all. this is the age old issue of punishing everyone for the faults of a few here. I sure they could remote hack my cctv to make sure I don't leave. " Or we can implement border control - taking back control, it's what Britain voted for! - which isolates a very few to protect the millions living here who aren't travelling. | |||
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"Don’t like it don’t travel
A hotel room 3 meals a day plus beverages ect security to make sure you don’t try to escape add to that the deep clean the hotel is going to have to do between guests sounds about right.
That also includes the transfer from airport to hotel as well more deep cleaning for transport between journeys.
"I haven't been abroad for over 5 years! and even before that I wasn't a frequent traveler. We're sure covid went through our house in Feb last year so we could very well still have immunity as well....plus it cost much less to tune into my cctv than that lot does.... never mind its forced upon you but your expected to pay for it...I'm gonna imprison you for X days...but you've to pay for the privilege... sure pal....wonder how many pledged to support Nicola's independence campaign to get some income into their pockets. I can understand forced quarantine but not at that cost personally, especially for foreigners coming in. | |||
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"Don’t like it don’t travel
A hotel room 3 meals a day plus beverages ect security to make sure you don’t try to escape add to that the deep clean the hotel is going to have to do between guests sounds about right.
That also includes the transfer from airport to hotel as well more deep cleaning for transport between journeys.
I haven't been abroad for over 5 years! and even before that I wasn't a frequent traveler.
We're sure covid went through our house in Feb last year so we could very well still have immunity as well....plus it cost much less to tune into my cctv than that lot does....
never mind its forced upon you but your expected to pay for it...I'm gonna imprison you for X days...but you've to pay for the privilege... sure pal....wonder how many pledged to support Nicola's independence campaign to get some income into their pockets.
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"Can understand the hotel quarantine, will not need it myself thankfully but do think £1750.00 is a bit over the top. The usual British rip off. Someone is making an over the top profit. " It is the biggest stable door known to mankind , slamming shut with a huge bolt on it. | |||
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"Who is this actually aimed at, and what meaningful difference is it going to make? It can’t be returning British or UK holiday makers because by now, there really can’t be many still on holiday, it can’t be foreign holiday makers coming here because we don’t allow it and who in their right mind would want to come right now, so who is actually going to suffer this expensive incarceration? Folk who’ve been working abroad and tested negative within 72 hours of departure and who will isolate at home ? Guys off oil rigs in the gulf who’ve lived in a sterile bubble for 3 weeks and tested negative every other day aboard and then prior to departure. It’s a farce to appease the baying media and opposition. Do pilots and lorry drivers have to do it?" No pilots and cabin crew are exempt from this. That's why I think it's a farce because they just have to take a test. Hauliers are also exempt from quarantine as are People who are considered essential workers. So its mainly people that are from abroad that are coming here to work or visit family. | |||
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"Who is this actually aimed at, and what meaningful difference is it going to make? It can’t be returning British or UK holiday makers because by now, there really can’t be many still on holiday, it can’t be foreign holiday makers coming here because we don’t allow it and who in their right mind would want to come right now, so who is actually going to suffer this expensive incarceration? Folk who’ve been working abroad and tested negative within 72 hours of departure and who will isolate at home ? Guys off oil rigs in the gulf who’ve lived in a sterile bubble for 3 weeks and tested negative every other day aboard and then prior to departure. It’s a farce to appease the baying media and opposition. Do pilots and lorry drivers have to do it? No pilots and cabin crew are exempt from this. That's why I think it's a farce because they just have to take a test. Hauliers are also exempt from quarantine as are People who are considered essential workers. So its mainly people that are from abroad that are coming here to work or visit family. " It’s a half arse publicity stunt that will achieve precisely nothing | |||
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"To “quarantine“ from a virus that is on all continents other than maybe Antarctica. Soo much of this is just so unbelievably Orwellian it begs belief. This virus will never go away, its just an excuse to make money and keep people in fear. " So who would be making this "money"? Can't believe people still think its all a conspiracy. Yeah because they want to keep giving away billions. Sure they would take about 500 years to recoup it if they were relying on hotels being used for that purpose. | |||
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"How about my house is close to the airport...I can go home & it costs nada! £1750 is ripping the mic out the public, jeez been to Tunisia for 3 all inclusive for less. " How about you just stay home instead | |||
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"To “quarantine“ from a virus that is on all continents other than maybe Antarctica. Soo much of this is just so unbelievably Orwellian it begs belief. This virus will never go away, its just an excuse to make money and keep people in fear. " You really believe that | |||
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"Who is this actually aimed at, and what meaningful difference is it going to make? It can’t be returning British or UK holiday makers because by now, there really can’t be many still on holiday, it can’t be foreign holiday makers coming here because we don’t allow it and who in their right mind would want to come right now, so who is actually going to suffer this expensive incarceration? Folk who’ve been working abroad and tested negative within 72 hours of departure and who will isolate at home ? Guys off oil rigs in the gulf who’ve lived in a sterile bubble for 3 weeks and tested negative every other day aboard and then prior to departure. It’s a farce to appease the baying media and opposition. Do pilots and lorry drivers have to do it?" I think you may be a victim of the conspiracy merry-go-round. Thousands of people spill in to the UK daily from all over the world. Whether these regulations are to discourage travellers or just measures to control the virus, they are well overdue and almost a year to late. | |||
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"Who is this actually aimed at, and what meaningful difference is it going to make? It can’t be returning British or UK holiday makers because by now, there really can’t be many still on holiday, it can’t be foreign holiday makers coming here because we don’t allow it and who in their right mind would want to come right now, so who is actually going to suffer this expensive incarceration? Folk who’ve been working abroad and tested negative within 72 hours of departure and who will isolate at home ? Guys off oil rigs in the gulf who’ve lived in a sterile bubble for 3 weeks and tested negative every other day aboard and then prior to departure. It’s a farce to appease the baying media and opposition. Do pilots and lorry drivers have to do it? No pilots and cabin crew are exempt from this. That's why I think it's a farce because they just have to take a test. Hauliers are also exempt from quarantine as are People who are considered essential workers. So its mainly people that are from abroad that are coming here to work or visit family. It’s a half arse publicity stunt that will achieve precisely nothing " Keeping out the Brazilian and South African variants, maybe? | |||
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"How about my house is close to the airport...I can go home & it costs nada! £1750 is ripping the mic out the public, jeez been to Tunisia for 3 all inclusive for less. " Did the all inclusive include 2 Covid tests and your own security detail? E | |||
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"Can see why 2 private covid test currently about £130 each Transport to hotel 24 hour security team Administration IT At least 30 meals Refreshments for 10 days 10 nights hotel stay Hotels are only allowed to be quarantine hotel so will charge extra as whole building has to be taken over " This. ^ E | |||
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"Why are so many moaning about the price? If people choose to travel into the UK potentially infected should we give them discount hotels to isolate in? If they can afford to they will still come if not then they won't . " It’s not about the price as such. It just annoys me that the richer few can afford the hotel after their month in Dubai. But a poorer person with an essential reason couldn’t do it
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"Why are so many moaning about the price? If people choose to travel into the UK potentially infected should we give them discount hotels to isolate in? If they can afford to they will still come if not then they won't . " Bet the majority of people that are travelling at the moment are travelling out of necessity not for tourism so it's not about being able to afford something and I just feel it's all too little too late. There is already talk of this being scraped by the end of March so it just feels like the government is trying to look like they are doing something. Also there is not the capacity so at the moment from Monday in the 1st 10 days of the quarantine period from the 33 countries there is expected to be a 1000 travellers A-day yet we only have 5000 rooms available. Other countries that are doing the hotel quarantine you can only come to that country for very limited reasons, To come here as long as you can pay for the hotel to quarantine in you can come. | |||
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"The price being bandied about is bullshit " It's the official amount that has been announced by the government today. | |||
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" Just a crap system IMO but I do appreciate we can’t vet every reason for people leaving or arriving in the country x" I mean, sure we can. Why not? Close the border, only citizens in, no citizens out except for limited reasons by approval only. (See Australia. I'd love to see my family but can't) | |||
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" Just a crap system IMO but I do appreciate we can’t vet every reason for people leaving or arriving in the country x I mean, sure we can. Why not? Close the border, only citizens in, no citizens out except for limited reasons by approval only. (See Australia. I'd love to see my family but can't)" That I would understand but that isn't the case it's if you can afford it you could come and if you can't you can't leave the country and you cant enter and that's what I don't like. | |||
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"The price being bandied about is bullshit " In what way is it bullshit? E | |||
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" Just a crap system IMO but I do appreciate we can’t vet every reason for people leaving or arriving in the country x I mean, sure we can. Why not? Close the border, only citizens in, no citizens out except for limited reasons by approval only. (See Australia. I'd love to see my family but can't) That I would understand but that isn't the case it's if you can afford it you could come and if you can't you can't leave the country and you cant enter and that's what I don't like." As I say, I don't agree with everything about this at all, but it seems like a step in the right direction (and sweet baby Jesus it's about time). But this idea we can't close the borders is nonsense. We absolutely can. | |||
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" Just a crap system IMO but I do appreciate we can’t vet every reason for people leaving or arriving in the country x I mean, sure we can. Why not? Close the border, only citizens in, no citizens out except for limited reasons by approval only. (See Australia. I'd love to see my family but can't)" I actually feel like that’s easier than what they are trying to do! x | |||
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" Just a crap system IMO but I do appreciate we can’t vet every reason for people leaving or arriving in the country x I mean, sure we can. Why not? Close the border, only citizens in, no citizens out except for limited reasons by approval only. (See Australia. I'd love to see my family but can't) That I would understand but that isn't the case it's if you can afford it you could come and if you can't you can't leave the country and you cant enter and that's what I don't like. As I say, I don't agree with everything about this at all, but it seems like a step in the right direction (and sweet baby Jesus it's about time). But this idea we can't close the borders is nonsense. We absolutely can." We can and we should have done but that isn't what we are doing. | |||
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" Just a crap system IMO but I do appreciate we can’t vet every reason for people leaving or arriving in the country x I mean, sure we can. Why not? Close the border, only citizens in, no citizens out except for limited reasons by approval only. (See Australia. I'd love to see my family but can't) I actually feel like that’s easier than what they are trying to do! x" Why do it the easy and effective way, huh? | |||
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"How about my house is close to the airport...I can go home & it costs nada! £1750 is ripping the mic out the public, jeez been to Tunisia for 3 all inclusive for less. How about you just stay home instead " Typically I do stay at home, alot more than most folk even outside of the past year...last abroad 5 yr ago....so I am low risk to any one for transmission always have been, yet you wanna tell me I can't go back to my own house & at a cost of almost 2k to boot! No probs, that ain't gonna stop no one who has the money from doing it & guess what it's those folk that are bunny hopping all around the world that are the issue...not me, who rarely goes abroad or anywhere in fact. | |||
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"Can understand the hotel quarantine, will not need it myself thankfully but do think £1750.00 is a bit over the top. The usual British rip off. Someone is making an over the top profit. " When u can get a travel lodge for 40 quid a night for 2 people, this is a piss take | |||
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" Just a crap system IMO but I do appreciate we can’t vet every reason for people leaving or arriving in the country x I mean, sure we can. Why not? Close the border, only citizens in, no citizens out except for limited reasons by approval only. (See Australia. I'd love to see my family but can't) That I would understand but that isn't the case it's if you can afford it you could come and if you can't you can't leave the country and you cant enter and that's what I don't like. As I say, I don't agree with everything about this at all, but it seems like a step in the right direction (and sweet baby Jesus it's about time). But this idea we can't close the borders is nonsense. We absolutely can. We can and we should have done but that isn't what we are doing." Of course it's not what we're doing. Because at every single point of making policy, where there was one way to help control the epidemic, and the opposite way to make it worse, the government has chosen the path of make it worse. They have systematically done the opposite of all epidemiology advice - where they "follow the science" it's advice given by vaccuum cleaner designers or suchlike that are on bojo's payroll. They have done too little too late. They have ignored their own rules, publicly and blatently. They have funnelled billions of pounds of public money into the hands of friends and relatives. Why are we not closing the borders and properly quarantining? Why weren't we doing it twelve months ago? Almost certainly because bojo and mates couldn't figure out how to make a profit from it. There has been twelve months to make plans for closing borders and enforced quarantine. Even if it was just planning for an option. So now here we are, as i understand they still haven't even made a phone call to travelodge to book a few rooms... There is a saying PPPPPP - Proper Preparation Prevents Piss Poor Performance. This government does not do any Preparation... | |||
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"Can understand the hotel quarantine, will not need it myself thankfully but do think £1750.00 is a bit over the top. The usual British rip off. Someone is making an over the top profit. When u can get a travel lodge for 40 quid a night for 2 people, this is a piss take" Would you want to be stuck in a £40 a night Travelodge 24 hours a day for 10 days? Does that include 2 private covid test currently about £130 each Transport to hotel 24 hour security team Administration IT At least 30 meals Refreshments for 10 days 10 nights hotel stay Hotels are only allowed to be quarantine hotel so will charge extra as whole building has to be taken over *copied from above E | |||
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"Maybe it is to put people off coming into the country
That is, after all, how we stop the importation of more virus."and how did we keep rabies out of this country for so long? We need to listen to the vets (as they know a thing or two about disease control) | |||
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"Why are so many moaning about the price? If people choose to travel into the UK potentially infected should we give them discount hotels to isolate in? If they can afford to they will still come if not then they won't . It’s not about the price as such. It just annoys me that the richer few can afford the hotel after their month in Dubai. But a poorer person with an essential reason couldn’t do it
Just a crap system IMO but I do appreciate we can’t vet every reason for people leaving or arriving in the country x"im not sure if there is intention to means test it like australia my friend was returning to Australia permanently (is a resident and it had already been put in motion pre covid) but as he had been out of the country for a number of years he was not employed and was able to apply to have the fee waived while he was there - i think it took them a few weeks to get back to him for most of it he expected to be paying it but in the end he didnt have to , at that point in perth the cost was about 2000 aud | |||
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"Maybe it is to put people off coming into the country
But it also stops people coming into the country to work or us leaving it because it is also for British citizens returning.
What do you suggest instead? Leaving the borders open?
No I just expect it to be a reasonable price other country's are managing it for about a £1000 to £1200.
And its £1700 per person so if a couple is travelling together even if they would share a Room.
There is going to be only 5000 rooms available but at the moment there is a 1000 people from "red" country's coming into the UK so it's just going to be a shambles. This is only for travel from 30 countries so I just don't see how this is effective in any way.
Which countries?
To be fair, if you booked into a premier and had a meal deal to go with it it would be near on a £100...then you would have to pay for lunch somewhere. The charge for this includes all meals, transport and I am guessing someone has to pay for the extra security so it doesn't seem that much OTT
Personally I hope it will put people off travelling here as a couple for a holiday , they would find the place shut anyway but it lessens them bringing another strain in
Who knows whether it will be a shambles or not but I am glad they are finally doing something they should have done ages ago.
Portugal is one of them but it's mainly South American and African countries so not typical holiday destinations.
Most of the places people go on holiday are not covered and people can just come back and self declare that they will isolate for 10 days."I meant which countries are managing it for less? | |||
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"Why are so many moaning about the price? If people choose to travel into the UK potentially infected should we give them discount hotels to isolate in? If they can afford to they will still come if not then they won't . Bet the majority of people that are travelling at the moment are travelling out of necessity not for tourism so it's not about being able to afford something and I just feel it's all too little too late. There is already talk of this being scraped by the end of March so it just feels like the government is trying to look like they are doing something. Also there is not the capacity so at the moment from Monday in the 1st 10 days of the quarantine period from the 33 countries there is expected to be a 1000 travellers A-day yet we only have 5000 rooms available. Other countries that are doing the hotel quarantine you can only come to that country for very limited reasons, To come here as long as you can pay for the hotel to quarantine in you can come." what essential business do 1000 people a day from these countries really have? i think it will make people reconsider if their journey really is essential, i expect there are still many saying well we arent explicitly disallowed so that means we can then hey presto high cost suddenly they fins a way to do that business remotely and for those saying companies wont care they just write it off against expenses/ tax ... cost is still cost ... you don’t throw away 100% cost to save 19% corporation tax unless you are bad at business | |||
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"Maybe it is to put people off coming into the country
But it also stops people coming into the country to work or us leaving it because it is also for British citizens returning.
The isolation period should be the deterrent. We should not be punitive in our stance by creating an additional, extortionate hotel rate"Only issue is, people are not self isolating. So this is the next step. I can't see this happening at Brighton marina, imagine a family hopping across in their 40 foot yacht. Mooring up and being told they have to spend 10 days in a hotel, then have to pay for the privilege. | |||
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"Maybe it is to put people off coming into the country
But it also stops people coming into the country to work or us leaving it because it is also for British citizens returning.
What do you suggest instead? Leaving the borders open?"Bit fucking late for that! They should have been shut, back in march last year. | |||
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"Maybe it is to put people off coming into the country
But it also stops people coming into the country to work or us leaving it because it is also for British citizens returning.
What do you suggest instead? Leaving the borders open?
Bit fucking late for that!
They should have been shut, back in march last year."Don't swear at me, I am sensitive soul don't you know 
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"Can understand the hotel quarantine, will not need it myself thankfully but do think £1750.00 is a bit over the top. The usual British rip off. Someone is making an over the top profit. When u can get a travel lodge for 40 quid a night for 2 people, this is a piss take Would you want to be stuck in a £40 a night Travelodge 24 hours a day for 10 days? Does that include 2 private covid test currently about £130 each Transport to hotel 24 hour security team Administration IT At least 30 meals Refreshments for 10 days 10 nights hotel stay Hotels are only allowed to be quarantine hotel so will charge extra as whole building has to be taken over *copied from above E"
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"Maybe it is to put people off coming into the country
But it also stops people coming into the country to work or us leaving it because it is also for British citizens returning.
What do you suggest instead? Leaving the borders open?
No I just expect it to be a reasonable price other country's are managing it for about a £1000 to £1200.
And its £1700 per person so if a couple is travelling together even if they would share a Room.
There is going to be only 5000 rooms available but at the moment there is a 1000 people from "red" country's coming into the UK so it's just going to be a shambles. This is only for travel from 30 countries so I just don't see how this is effective in any way.
Which countries?
To be fair, if you booked into a premier and had a meal deal to go with it it would be near on a £100...then you would have to pay for lunch somewhere. The charge for this includes all meals, transport and I am guessing someone has to pay for the extra security so it doesn't seem that much OTT
Personally I hope it will put people off travelling here as a couple for a holiday , they would find the place shut anyway but it lessens them bringing another strain in
Who knows whether it will be a shambles or not but I am glad they are finally doing something they should have done ages ago.
Portugal is one of them but it's mainly South American and African countries so not typical holiday destinations.
Most of the places people go on holiday are not covered and people can just come back and self declare that they will isolate for 10 days.
I meant which countries are managing it for less?
"Simon Calder said on the radio today The average cost for quarantine hotel around the world is between £1000 £1200. He also said we are the only country that is implementing this now and we are the only ones that are only doing it from a very small selection of countries. | |||
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"Maybe it is to put people off coming into the country
But it also stops people coming into the country to work or us leaving it because it is also for British citizens returning.
What do you suggest instead? Leaving the borders open?
No I just expect it to be a reasonable price other country's are managing it for about a £1000 to £1200.
And its £1700 per person so if a couple is travelling together even if they would share a Room.
There is going to be only 5000 rooms available but at the moment there is a 1000 people from "red" country's coming into the UK so it's just going to be a shambles. This is only for travel from 30 countries so I just don't see how this is effective in any way.
Which countries?
To be fair, if you booked into a premier and had a meal deal to go with it it would be near on a £100...then you would have to pay for lunch somewhere. The charge for this includes all meals, transport and I am guessing someone has to pay for the extra security so it doesn't seem that much OTT
Personally I hope it will put people off travelling here as a couple for a holiday , they would find the place shut anyway but it lessens them bringing another strain in
Who knows whether it will be a shambles or not but I am glad they are finally doing something they should have done ages ago.
Portugal is one of them but it's mainly South American and African countries so not typical holiday destinations.
Most of the places people go on holiday are not covered and people can just come back and self declare that they will isolate for 10 days.
I meant which countries are managing it for less?
Simon Calder said on the radio today The average cost for quarantine hotel around the world is between £1000 £1200.
He also said we are the only country that is implementing this now and we are the only ones that are only doing it from a very small selection of countries."Maybe their costs are smaller wherever they are, maybe we want it higher to put people off....it seems Australia is about the same as ours. | |||
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"Maybe it is to put people off coming into the country
But it also stops people coming into the country to work or us leaving it because it is also for British citizens returning.
What do you suggest instead? Leaving the borders open?
No I just expect it to be a reasonable price other country's are managing it for about a £1000 to £1200.
And its £1700 per person so if a couple is travelling together even if they would share a Room.
There is going to be only 5000 rooms available but at the moment there is a 1000 people from "red" country's coming into the UK so it's just going to be a shambles. This is only for travel from 30 countries so I just don't see how this is effective in any way.
Which countries?
To be fair, if you booked into a premier and had a meal deal to go with it it would be near on a £100...then you would have to pay for lunch somewhere. The charge for this includes all meals, transport and I am guessing someone has to pay for the extra security so it doesn't seem that much OTT
Personally I hope it will put people off travelling here as a couple for a holiday , they would find the place shut anyway but it lessens them bringing another strain in
Who knows whether it will be a shambles or not but I am glad they are finally doing something they should have done ages ago.
Portugal is one of them but it's mainly South American and African countries so not typical holiday destinations.
Most of the places people go on holiday are not covered and people can just come back and self declare that they will isolate for 10 days.
I meant which countries are managing it for less?
Simon Calder said on the radio today The average cost for quarantine hotel around the world is between £1000 £1200.
He also said we are the only country that is implementing this now and we are the only ones that are only doing it from a very small selection of countries.
Maybe their costs are smaller wherever they are, maybe we want it higher to put people off....it seems Australia is about the same as ours.
"If they wanted to put people off they would say you can't bloody come unless you have a very exceptional reason and that's what Australia has done and they have done it from everywhere we have just done it from 33 countries. Im not against the idea if it was every country but it isn't, so I just don't see how effective it is going to be. | |||
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"Maybe it is to put people off coming into the country
That is, after all, how we stop the importation of more virus.
and how did we keep rabies out of this country for so long?
We need to listen to the vets (as they know a thing or two about disease control)"Yes. We kept rabies out of the country by making it incredibly difficult for people to bring pets into the country, with an enforced six month quarantine in kennels. More recently, after rabies vaccine became available for pets, we enforced a vaccination regime by requiring animals to be chipped. So to keep out new strains of covid - simple! Make it difficult to move in and out of the country. Enforce quarantine for those that absolutely must travel. Make the quarantine long, unpleasant, expensive as a deterrent to movement. Make the quarantine the same for rich or poor - if a millionaire is going to have to spend a month alone in a travelodge room, being fed on pie, chips and beans with ribena instead of chianti, then they're not going to want to travel. Those that must travel - vaccinate them, chip them, monitor the places where they go. They're not travelling for pleasure, they're doing it for essential business. And it must apply for everyone. If the prime minister himself wants to travel, he must bloody well quarantine on return, in exactly the same quarantine facility as anybody else. | |||
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"Maybe it is to put people off coming into the country
That is, after all, how we stop the importation of more virus.
and how did we keep rabies out of this country for so long?
We need to listen to the vets (as they know a thing or two about disease control)
Yes. We kept rabies out of the country by making it incredibly difficult for people to bring pets into the country, with an enforced six month quarantine in kennels. More recently, after rabies vaccine became available for pets, we enforced a vaccination regime by requiring animals to be chipped.
So to keep out new strains of covid - simple! Make it difficult to move in and out of the country. Enforce quarantine for those that absolutely must travel. Make the quarantine long, unpleasant, expensive as a deterrent to movement. Make the quarantine the same for rich or poor - if a millionaire is going to have to spend a month alone in a travelodge room, being fed on pie, chips and beans with ribena instead of chianti, then they're not going to want to travel.
Those that must travel - vaccinate them, chip them, monitor the places where they go. They're not travelling for pleasure, they're doing it for essential business.
And it must apply for everyone. If the prime minister himself wants to travel, he must bloody well quarantine on return, in exactly the same quarantine facility as anybody else."If we're going to chip them, can we put them in kennels as well?  | |||
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" If they wanted to put people off they would say you can't bloody come unless you have a very exceptional reason and that's what Australia has done and they have done it from everywhere we have just done it from 33 countries. Im not against the idea if it was every country but it isn't, so I just don't see how effective it is going to be." Sorry I thought it was the cost that you objected to | |||
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" If they wanted to put people off they would say you can't bloody come unless you have a very exceptional reason and that's what Australia has done and they have done it from everywhere we have just done it from 33 countries. Im not against the idea if it was every country but it isn't, so I just don't see how effective it is going to be. Sorry I thought it was the cost that you objected to" I just think the whole thing is a pointless exercise and far too little far to late. The cost does seem steep especially as those that are going to have to pay it are those that have to travel rather than want to. Let's face it all the millionaires and celebrities will find a way round this it is going to be people that want to visit family or have to come here for work. If the quarantine hotels were for every country, for every single person and we had the capacity I wouldn't have a problem. Also there are so many exemptions to this it is ridiculous so I just think the whole thing is a farce. | |||
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"When will all this whinging stop? I've heard countless times that people should be enforced to quarantine. They now look to do that and now you're all whining that it's an extortionate price? If you don't wanna pay the price then don't travel, it's quite simple. £175/night including meals isn't even that expensive. And that's before you account for tests, travel and security."
I am sure some people on here would start an argument with themselves if they accidentally looked into a mirror for to long
Could / Should this have been done earlier? Yes! Of course but we don't have time machines sadly so let's get behind these actions now.
Is this better starting from Monday as opposed to continuing as we were basically trusting people to do the right thing?? Absolutely! I has seen figures showing as low as 10% of travellers actually self isolate when they were supposed to sadly.
If you dig around you'll find the price is pretty much comparable to countries like Australia.
These measures will reduced infections rates other countries that have done similar have already shown that. Even if its just a relatively small reduction then thats fine as every bit helps.
Also this is one of the effective ways to guard against dangerous new variants been brought into the country.
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"When will all this whinging stop? I've heard countless times that people should be enforced to quarantine. They now look to do that and now you're all whining that it's an extortionate price? If you don't wanna pay the price then don't travel, it's quite simple. £175/night including meals isn't even that expensive. And that's before you account for tests, travel and security.
I am sure some people on here would start an argument with themselves if they accidentally looked into a mirror for to long
Could / Should this have been done earlier? Yes! Of course but we don't have time machines sadly so let's get behind these actions now.
Is this better starting from Monday as opposed to continuing as we were basically trusting people to do the right thing?? Absolutely! I has seen figures showing as low as 10% of travellers actually self isolate when they were supposed to sadly.
If you dig around you'll find the price is pretty much comparable to countries like Australia.
These measures will reduced infections rates other countries that have done similar have already shown that. Even if its just a relatively small reduction then thats fine as every bit helps.
Also this is one of the effective ways to guard against dangerous new variants been brought into the country.
KJ "It is only if you are coming from one of the country's below if you are coming from anywhere else you just have to say you are going to quarantine and that's why it just seems pointless. Angola, Argentina, Bolivia, Botswana, Brazil, Burundi, Cape Verde, Chile, Colombia, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Ecuador, Eswatini, French Guiana, Guyana, Lesotho, Malawi, Mauritius, Mozambique, Namibia, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Portugal, Rwanda, Seychelles, South Africa, Suriname, Tanzania, United Arab Emirates, Uruguay, Venezuela, Zambia, Zimbabwe. | |||
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"Book me a room .. who's joining me No one with a brain, we're in lockdown. Unless you were being funny, in which case, hah hah. E Worst swinging holiday ever." It’ll probably be the T5 Travelodge anyway | |||
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"Maybe it is to put people off coming into the country
That is, after all, how we stop the importation of more virus.
and how did we keep rabies out of this country for so long?
We need to listen to the vets (as they know a thing or two about disease control)
Yes. We kept rabies out of the country by making it incredibly difficult for people to bring pets into the country, with an enforced six month quarantine in kennels. More recently, after rabies vaccine became available for pets, we enforced a vaccination regime by requiring animals to be chipped.
So to keep out new strains of covid - simple! Make it difficult to move in and out of the country. Enforce quarantine for those that absolutely must travel. Make the quarantine long, unpleasant, expensive as a deterrent to movement. Make the quarantine the same for rich or poor - if a millionaire is going to have to spend a month alone in a travelodge room, being fed on pie, chips and beans with ribena instead of chianti, then they're not going to want to travel.
Those that must travel - vaccinate them, chip them, monitor the places where they go. They're not travelling for pleasure, they're doing it for essential business.
And it must apply for everyone. If the prime minister himself wants to travel, he must bloody well quarantine on return, in exactly the same quarantine facility as anybody else.
If we're going to chip them, can we put them in kennels as well? "Isn’t it in the vaccine anyway? | |||
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"Maybe it is to put people off coming into the country
That is, after all, how we stop the importation of more virus.
and how did we keep rabies out of this country for so long?
We need to listen to the vets (as they know a thing or two about disease control)
Yes. We kept rabies out of the country by making it incredibly difficult for people to bring pets into the country, with an enforced six month quarantine in kennels. More recently, after rabies vaccine became available for pets, we enforced a vaccination regime by requiring animals to be chipped.
So to keep out new strains of covid - simple! Make it difficult to move in and out of the country. Enforce quarantine for those that absolutely must travel. Make the quarantine long, unpleasant, expensive as a deterrent to movement. Make the quarantine the same for rich or poor - if a millionaire is going to have to spend a month alone in a travelodge room, being fed on pie, chips and beans with ribena instead of chianti, then they're not going to want to travel.
Those that must travel - vaccinate them, chip them, monitor the places where they go. They're not travelling for pleasure, they're doing it for essential business.
And it must apply for everyone. If the prime minister himself wants to travel, he must bloody well quarantine on return, in exactly the same quarantine facility as anybody else.
If we're going to chip them, can we put them in kennels as well?
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"When will all this whinging stop? I've heard countless times that people should be enforced to quarantine. They now look to do that and now you're all whining that it's an extortionate price? If you don't wanna pay the price then don't travel, it's quite simple. £175/night including meals isn't even that expensive. And that's before you account for tests, travel and security.
I am sure some people on here would start an argument with themselves if they accidentally looked into a mirror for to long
Could / Should this have been done earlier? Yes! Of course but we don't have time machines sadly so let's get behind these actions now.
Is this better starting from Monday as opposed to continuing as we were basically trusting people to do the right thing?? Absolutely! I has seen figures showing as low as 10% of travellers actually self isolate when they were supposed to sadly.
If you dig around you'll find the price is pretty much comparable to countries like Australia.
These measures will reduced infections rates other countries that have done similar have already shown that. Even if its just a relatively small reduction then thats fine as every bit helps.
Also this is one of the effective ways to guard against dangerous new variants been brought into the country.
KJ
It is only if you are coming from one of the country's below if you are coming from anywhere else you just have to say you are going to quarantine and that's why it just seems pointless.
Angola, Argentina, Bolivia, Botswana, Brazil, Burundi, Cape Verde, Chile, Colombia, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Ecuador, Eswatini, French Guiana, Guyana, Lesotho, Malawi, Mauritius, Mozambique, Namibia, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Portugal, Rwanda, Seychelles, South Africa, Suriname, Tanzania, United Arab Emirates, Uruguay, Venezuela, Zambia, Zimbabwe."How can you say having a forced goverment monitored quarrantine from those countries is pointless? Especially given the fact that a lot of the top virologists have said that emerging variants are now the biggest threat in the global battle against covid? That list includes some of the new variant hot spots such as South Africa and Brazil. Just an hour ago sky news reported that the UK / Kent variant has further mutated and is causing a lot of concern. https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-scientists-label-mutation-found-in-bristol-as-variant-of-concern-12213581 A friend of mine is working at the labs in Stockton on Tees producing the Novavax vaccine. She said imagine if the next covid19 mutation meant that the mortality rate jumped to the same level of cornovirus SARS 1 which was 10%. Whilst still retaining the highly infectious and long incubation periods that the current UK / Kent variant has! If that happened (its well within the realms of possibility since Sars 1 was also a cornovirus) she said it would be the virus equivalent of a perfect storm. Instead of 100,000 UK deaths it would be 1 million and counting. That type of scenario is the biggest threat she and her colleagues fear most. So taking the above on board anything that slows down / stops any potential covid variants entering the UK is absolutely vital and not as you say pointless. KJ | |||
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"When will all this whinging stop? I've heard countless times that people should be enforced to quarantine. They now look to do that and now you're all whining that it's an extortionate price? If you don't wanna pay the price then don't travel, it's quite simple. £175/night including meals isn't even that expensive. And that's before you account for tests, travel and security.
I am sure some people on here would start an argument with themselves if they accidentally looked into a mirror for to long
Could / Should this have been done earlier? Yes! Of course but we don't have time machines sadly so let's get behind these actions now.
Is this better starting from Monday as opposed to continuing as we were basically trusting people to do the right thing?? Absolutely! I has seen figures showing as low as 10% of travellers actually self isolate when they were supposed to sadly.
If you dig around you'll find the price is pretty much comparable to countries like Australia.
These measures will reduced infections rates other countries that have done similar have already shown that. Even if its just a relatively small reduction then thats fine as every bit helps.
Also this is one of the effective ways to guard against dangerous new variants been brought into the country.
KJ
It is only if you are coming from one of the country's below if you are coming from anywhere else you just have to say you are going to quarantine and that's why it just seems pointless.
Angola, Argentina, Bolivia, Botswana, Brazil, Burundi, Cape Verde, Chile, Colombia, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Ecuador, Eswatini, French Guiana, Guyana, Lesotho, Malawi, Mauritius, Mozambique, Namibia, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Portugal, Rwanda, Seychelles, South Africa, Suriname, Tanzania, United Arab Emirates, Uruguay, Venezuela, Zambia, Zimbabwe.
How can you say having a forced goverment monitored quarrantine from those countries is pointless?
Especially given the fact that a lot of the top virologists have said that emerging variants are now the biggest threat in the global battle against covid? That list includes some of the new variant hot spots such as South Africa and Brazil.
Just an hour ago sky news reported that the UK / Kent variant has further mutated and is causing a lot of concern.
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-scientists-label-mutation-found-in-bristol-as-variant-of-concern-12213581
A friend of mine is working at the labs in Stockton on Tees producing the Novavax vaccine. She said imagine if the next covid19 mutation meant that the mortality rate jumped to the same level of cornovirus SARS 1 which was 10%. Whilst still retaining the highly infectious and long incubation periods that the current UK / Kent variant has!
If that happened (its well within the realms of possibility since Sars 1 was also a cornovirus) she said it would be the virus equivalent of a perfect storm.
Instead of 100,000 UK deaths it would be 1 million and counting. That type of scenario is the biggest threat she and her colleagues fear most.
So taking the above on board anything that slows down / stops any potential covid variants entering the UK is absolutely vital and not as you say pointless.
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"Can understand the hotel quarantine, will not need it myself thankfully but do think £1750.00 is a bit over the top. The usual British rip off. Someone is making an over the top profit. When u can get a travel lodge for 40 quid a night for 2 people, this is a piss take Would you want to be stuck in a £40 a night Travelodge 24 hours a day for 10 days? Does that include 2 private covid test currently about £130 each Transport to hotel 24 hour security team Administration IT At least 30 meals Refreshments for 10 days 10 nights hotel stay Hotels are only allowed to be quarantine hotel so will charge extra as whole building has to be taken over *copied from above E" Id pay for my meals extra, and it still wont be 1700 quid, so yea. Its just a piss take, and i bet some mp has mates in the industry that theyll gladly help get the business | |||
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"Can understand the hotel quarantine, will not need it myself thankfully but do think £1750.00 is a bit over the top. The usual British rip off. Someone is making an over the top profit. " Yes the hotels | |||
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"People simply won't travel directly back to the U.K. it's much cheaper and frankly nicer to land somewhere on the continent, Outside the 30 red zones. Spend 7/10 nights - 2 weeks there, (local laws applicable) then redo the pcr and return to the UK. I know someone that should be returning on the 21st feb but has been diverted to do the above by their HR. " Fine by me. If the aim is to keep contact from the countries in question from the UK, then however it's done is fine (until other countries are hit and too become red zones). | |||
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"If they make it cheap then people wouldn't think twice about it, putting more expensive (on top of your holiday) it's probably more for a deterrent than anything (ok maybe a little bit of greed but then given the hospitality industry has been hit hard, if you want to go away then follow the rules and help out those businesses on their knees) Probably a very unpopular opinion but if you are going on holiday during a pandemic then expect to pay the price, even if over priced, unless the food and service is amazing of course. Danish x" Australia did it at government expense initially. (But it was on a state by state basis and one by one states began charging) | |||
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"People simply won't travel directly back to the U.K. it's much cheaper and frankly nicer to land somewhere on the continent, Outside the 30 red zones. Spend 7/10 nights - 2 weeks there, (local laws applicable) then redo the pcr and return to the UK. I know someone that should be returning on the 21st feb but has been diverted to do the above by their HR. " And still have to do 10 days isolation in U.K. and have 2 tests ...or do they think that won’t apply to them, because they have been able to beat the system.... How much is 10 days in transit going to cost, and local costs and food ... and that’s of course if the transit country allows them to enter if they are coming from a dangerous country (the transit country may not permit them to enter if they are non residents coming from a dangerous country )....hmmmm, and of course there will be the matter of the locator form which has to be completed accurately... Alternatively they could do the right thing and understand they have been in a dangerous country and it would be excellent if they had some responsibility and not find a work around to cheat the system But hey, that’s probably why the government are having to use compulsory isolation in hotels ... | |||
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" How can you say having a forced goverment monitored quarrantine from those countries is pointless? Especially given the fact that a lot of the top virologists have said that emerging variants are now the biggest threat in the global battle against covid? That list includes some of the new variant hot spots such as South Africa and Brazil. Just an hour ago sky news reported that the UK / Kent variant has further mutated and is causing a lot of concern. https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-scientists-label-mutation-found-in-bristol-as-variant-of-concern-12213581 A friend of mine is working at the labs in Stockton on Tees producing the Novavax vaccine. She said imagine if the next covid19 mutation meant that the mortality rate jumped to the same level of cornovirus SARS 1 which was 10%. Whilst still retaining the highly infectious and long incubation periods that the current UK / Kent variant has! If that happened (its well within the realms of possibility since Sars 1 was also a cornovirus) she said it would be the virus equivalent of a perfect storm. Instead of 100,000 UK deaths it would be 1 million and counting. That type of scenario is the biggest threat she and her colleagues fear most. So taking the above on board anything that slows down / stops any potential covid variants entering the UK is absolutely vital and not as you say pointless. KJ " What you say is very relevant and the new strains can knock us back to square one or worse if it mutates to a highly dangerous strain. On that premise, every country with covid present is a danger to us with yet undiscovered variants, so apply to all international travel and we prevent new strains entering between the time they originate and the time they are discovered. It's been said a lot in this thread, too little, too late and as per usual, half baked... Until the world is vaccinated, wealthy and poor nations alike, there is a risk that we will import any and all new strains, some of which could well be resistant to vaccines, which then require about 6 months to recode, going by Astra Zenica estimate of Autumn for an effective SA variant vaccine. Estimates on the BBC last night were end of 2023 before the world is vaccinated, judging by the amount of variants that have already emerged then we could still have a very bumpy few years ahead. At the moment we're going to be lucky to return to any sort of normality before the end of this year if we don't take precautions. Is the cost of keeping airlines and all the other industries that go with that and rely on that afloat going to be the worst case virus being imported into the country? Being reactive to this virus hasn't proved too successful so far... | |||
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"People simply won't travel directly back to the U.K. it's much cheaper and frankly nicer to land somewhere on the continent, Outside the 30 red zones. Spend 7/10 nights - 2 weeks there, (local laws applicable) then redo the pcr and return to the UK. I know someone that should be returning on the 21st feb but has been diverted to do the above by their HR. And still have to do 10 days isolation in U.K. and have 2 tests ...or do they think that won’t apply to them, because they have been able to beat the system.... How much is 10 days in transit going to cost, and local costs and food ... and that’s of course if the transit country allows them to enter if they are coming from a dangerous country (the transit country may not permit them to enter if they are non residents coming from a dangerous country )....hmmmm, and of course there will be the matter of the locator form which has to be completed accurately... Alternatively they could do the right thing and understand they have been in a dangerous country and it would be excellent if they had some responsibility and not find a work around to cheat the system But hey, that’s probably why the government are having to use compulsory isolation in hotels ... " So... If the rule is "if you've been in a red zone country in the last two weeks", and a person goes from a red zone country to a non red zone country and spends two weeks there. Then comes back to the UK. ... How are they breaking the rules? | |||
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"People simply won't travel directly back to the U.K. it's much cheaper and frankly nicer to land somewhere on the continent, Outside the 30 red zones. Spend 7/10 nights - 2 weeks there, (local laws applicable) then redo the pcr and return to the UK. I know someone that should be returning on the 21st feb but has been diverted to do the above by their HR. And still have to do 10 days isolation in U.K. and have 2 tests ...or do they think that won’t apply to them, because they have been able to beat the system.... How much is 10 days in transit going to cost, and local costs and food ... and that’s of course if the transit country allows them to enter if they are coming from a dangerous country (the transit country may not permit them to enter if they are non residents coming from a dangerous country )....hmmmm, and of course there will be the matter of the locator form which has to be completed accurately... Alternatively they could do the right thing and understand they have been in a dangerous country and it would be excellent if they had some responsibility and not find a work around to cheat the system But hey, that’s probably why the government are having to use compulsory isolation in hotels ... So... If the rule is "if you've been in a red zone country in the last two weeks", and a person goes from a red zone country to a non red zone country and spends two weeks there. Then comes back to the UK. ... How are they breaking the rules?" not breaking the rules... just going a long way round (with possible more expense and hassle) Seems a lot of extra grief just to try and avoid £1750 is the non red transit country going to allow you to park up for 2 weeks assuming transit country lets you in... you're going to need a hotel, food, adhere to the isolation rules of that country, tests etc.......for 2 weeks. Assuming you are ok and don't come down with the covid and you are negative at the end of your 2 weeks transit... you arrive back in uk... and will still need to isolate for 10 days and have 2 tests... Instead you could come straight back... stay in UK, pay the 1750 and then after 10 days... go home Whats the upside to this workaround? | |||
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"When will all this whinging stop? I've heard countless times that people should be enforced to quarantine. They now look to do that and now you're all whining that it's an extortionate price? If you don't wanna pay the price then don't travel, it's quite simple. £175/night including meals isn't even that expensive. And that's before you account for tests, travel and security.
I am sure some people on here would start an argument with themselves if they accidentally looked into a mirror for to long
Could / Should this have been done earlier? Yes! Of course but we don't have time machines sadly so let's get behind these actions now.
Is this better starting from Monday as opposed to continuing as we were basically trusting people to do the right thing?? Absolutely! I has seen figures showing as low as 10% of travellers actually self isolate when they were supposed to sadly.
If you dig around you'll find the price is pretty much comparable to countries like Australia.
These measures will reduced infections rates other countries that have done similar have already shown that. Even if its just a relatively small reduction then thats fine as every bit helps.
Also this is one of the effective ways to guard against dangerous new variants been brought into the country.
KJ
It is only if you are coming from one of the country's below if you are coming from anywhere else you just have to say you are going to quarantine and that's why it just seems pointless.
Angola, Argentina, Bolivia, Botswana, Brazil, Burundi, Cape Verde, Chile, Colombia, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Ecuador, Eswatini, French Guiana, Guyana, Lesotho, Malawi, Mauritius, Mozambique, Namibia, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Portugal, Rwanda, Seychelles, South Africa, Suriname, Tanzania, United Arab Emirates, Uruguay, Venezuela, Zambia, Zimbabwe."Interesting how the countries with the highest incidences of corona such as the US, Spain, Italy and France are not on this list yet only one European country is on the list. Funny coincidence, that. The virus is raging in Europe and the US because of a combination of arrogance and stupidity of those documents but somehow they manage to put in place a policy almost 12 months after COVID, which disproportionately penalises people from black and brown countries, who with the exception of Brazil and South Africa, have not recorded high incidences. Seems ironic that the UK with its high rates of COVID, is actually penalizing travelers from those countries with lower rates of covid than the UK. | |||
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"When will all this whinging stop? I've heard countless times that people should be enforced to quarantine. They now look to do that and now you're all whining that it's an extortionate price? If you don't wanna pay the price then don't travel, it's quite simple. £175/night including meals isn't even that expensive. And that's before you account for tests, travel and security.
I am sure some people on here would start an argument with themselves if they accidentally looked into a mirror for to long
Could / Should this have been done earlier? Yes! Of course but we don't have time machines sadly so let's get behind these actions now.
Is this better starting from Monday as opposed to continuing as we were basically trusting people to do the right thing?? Absolutely! I has seen figures showing as low as 10% of travellers actually self isolate when they were supposed to sadly.
If you dig around you'll find the price is pretty much comparable to countries like Australia.
These measures will reduced infections rates other countries that have done similar have already shown that. Even if its just a relatively small reduction then thats fine as every bit helps.
Also this is one of the effective ways to guard against dangerous new variants been brought into the country.
KJ
It is only if you are coming from one of the country's below if you are coming from anywhere else you just have to say you are going to quarantine and that's why it just seems pointless.
Angola, Argentina, Bolivia, Botswana, Brazil, Burundi, Cape Verde, Chile, Colombia, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Ecuador, Eswatini, French Guiana, Guyana, Lesotho, Malawi, Mauritius, Mozambique, Namibia, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Portugal, Rwanda, Seychelles, South Africa, Suriname, Tanzania, United Arab Emirates, Uruguay, Venezuela, Zambia, Zimbabwe.
Interesting how the countries with the highest incidences of corona such as the US, Spain, Italy and France are not on this list yet only one European country is on the list. Funny coincidence, that.
The virus is raging in Europe and the US because of a combination of arrogance and stupidity of those documents but somehow they manage to put in place a policy almost 12 months after COVID, which disproportionately penalises people from black and brown countries, who with the exception of Brazil and South Africa, have not recorded high incidences.
Seems ironic that the UK with its high rates of COVID, is actually penalizing travelers from those countries with lower rates of covid than the UK.
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" not breaking the rules... just going a long way round (with possible more expense and hassle) Seems a lot of extra grief just to try and avoid £1750 is the non red transit country going to allow you to park up for 2 weeks assuming transit country lets you in... you're going to need a hotel, food, adhere to the isolation rules of that country, tests etc.......for 2 weeks. Assuming you are ok and don't come down with the covid and you are negative at the end of your 2 weeks transit... you arrive back in uk... and will still need to isolate for 10 days and have 2 tests... Instead you could come straight back... stay in UK, pay the 1750 and then after 10 days... go home Whats the upside to this workaround?" They don't want to be in hotel quarantine? I don't know. But it's not breaking the rules. | |||
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"People simply won't travel directly back to the U.K. it's much cheaper and frankly nicer to land somewhere on the continent, Outside the 30 red zones. Spend 7/10 nights - 2 weeks there, (local laws applicable) then redo the pcr and return to the UK. I know someone that should be returning on the 21st feb but has been diverted to do the above by their HR. " If it’s anything like last summer chaos, travel corridors removed with 3 days notice it could end up being a risky & expensive move depending on how often the red list is reviewed, pick a country that gets added and they end up in quarantine anyway. | |||
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"People simply won't travel directly back to the U.K. it's much cheaper and frankly nicer to land somewhere on the continent, Outside the 30 red zones. Spend 7/10 nights - 2 weeks there, (local laws applicable) then redo the pcr and return to the UK. I know someone that should be returning on the 21st feb but has been diverted to do the above by their HR. If it’s anything like last summer chaos, travel corridors removed with 3 days notice it could end up being a risky & expensive move depending on how often the red list is reviewed, pick a country that gets added and they end up in quarantine anyway. " People will certainly end up moaning about that. | |||
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"When will all this whinging stop? I've heard countless times that people should be enforced to quarantine. They now look to do that and now you're all whining that it's an extortionate price? If you don't wanna pay the price then don't travel, it's quite simple. £175/night including meals isn't even that expensive. And that's before you account for tests, travel and security.
I am sure some people on here would start an argument with themselves if they accidentally looked into a mirror for to long
Could / Should this have been done earlier? Yes! Of course but we don't have time machines sadly so let's get behind these actions now.
Is this better starting from Monday as opposed to continuing as we were basically trusting people to do the right thing?? Absolutely! I has seen figures showing as low as 10% of travellers actually self isolate when they were supposed to sadly.
If you dig around you'll find the price is pretty much comparable to countries like Australia.
These measures will reduced infections rates other countries that have done similar have already shown that. Even if its just a relatively small reduction then thats fine as every bit helps.
Also this is one of the effective ways to guard against dangerous new variants been brought into the country.
KJ
It is only if you are coming from one of the country's below if you are coming from anywhere else you just have to say you are going to quarantine and that's why it just seems pointless.
Angola, Argentina, Bolivia, Botswana, Brazil, Burundi, Cape Verde, Chile, Colombia, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Ecuador, Eswatini, French Guiana, Guyana, Lesotho, Malawi, Mauritius, Mozambique, Namibia, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Portugal, Rwanda, Seychelles, South Africa, Suriname, Tanzania, United Arab Emirates, Uruguay, Venezuela, Zambia, Zimbabwe.
Interesting how the countries with the highest incidences of corona such as the US, Spain, Italy and France are not on this list yet only one European country is on the list. Funny coincidence, that.
The virus is raging in Europe and the US because of a combination of arrogance and stupidity of those documents but somehow they manage to put in place a policy almost 12 months after COVID, which disproportionately penalises people from black and brown countries, who with the exception of Brazil and South Africa, have not recorded high incidences.
Seems ironic that the UK with its high rates of COVID, is actually penalizing travelers from those countries with lower rates of covid than the UK.
France, for example, don’t need to be on the list atm as you can’t travel back and forth freely to France from the UK atm. "I believe Australia won't even let its own citizens in at all. Makes the UK scheme look generous. Strange at the moment that to go on holiday is illegal, but to book one isn't. | |||
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" not breaking the rules... just going a long way round (with possible more expense and hassle) Seems a lot of extra grief just to try and avoid £1750 is the non red transit country going to allow you to park up for 2 weeks assuming transit country lets you in... you're going to need a hotel, food, adhere to the isolation rules of that country, tests etc.......for 2 weeks. Assuming you are ok and don't come down with the covid and you are negative at the end of your 2 weeks transit... you arrive back in uk... and will still need to isolate for 10 days and have 2 tests... Instead you could come straight back... stay in UK, pay the 1750 and then after 10 days... go home Whats the upside to this workaround? They don't want to be in hotel quarantine? I don't know. But it's not breaking the rules." I didn’t say there were breaking rules ... Where are they going to isolate in the transit country ? | |||
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"When will all this whinging stop? I've heard countless times that people should be enforced to quarantine. They now look to do that and now you're all whining that it's an extortionate price? If you don't wanna pay the price then don't travel, it's quite simple. £175/night including meals isn't even that expensive. And that's before you account for tests, travel and security.
I am sure some people on here would start an argument with themselves if they accidentally looked into a mirror for to long
Could / Should this have been done earlier? Yes! Of course but we don't have time machines sadly so let's get behind these actions now.
Is this better starting from Monday as opposed to continuing as we were basically trusting people to do the right thing?? Absolutely! I has seen figures showing as low as 10% of travellers actually self isolate when they were supposed to sadly.
If you dig around you'll find the price is pretty much comparable to countries like Australia.
These measures will reduced infections rates other countries that have done similar have already shown that. Even if its just a relatively small reduction then thats fine as every bit helps.
Also this is one of the effective ways to guard against dangerous new variants been brought into the country.
KJ
It is only if you are coming from one of the country's below if you are coming from anywhere else you just have to say you are going to quarantine and that's why it just seems pointless.
Angola, Argentina, Bolivia, Botswana, Brazil, Burundi, Cape Verde, Chile, Colombia, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Ecuador, Eswatini, French Guiana, Guyana, Lesotho, Malawi, Mauritius, Mozambique, Namibia, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Portugal, Rwanda, Seychelles, South Africa, Suriname, Tanzania, United Arab Emirates, Uruguay, Venezuela, Zambia, Zimbabwe.
Interesting how the countries with the highest incidences of corona such as the US, Spain, Italy and France are not on this list yet only one European country is on the list. Funny coincidence, that.
The virus is raging in Europe and the US because of a combination of arrogance and stupidity of those documents but somehow they manage to put in place a policy almost 12 months after COVID, which disproportionately penalises people from black and brown countries, who with the exception of Brazil and South Africa, have not recorded high incidences.
Seems ironic that the UK with its high rates of COVID, is actually penalizing travelers from those countries with lower rates of covid than the UK.
France, for example, don’t need to be on the list atm as you can’t travel back and forth freely to France from the UK atm. "Understood. I just think they should do it for all countries and not just a few (or it defeats the purpose of what they are trying to achieve) and this should have been the way forward in April 2020. This is what happens when we reward people who are arrogant and incompetent with our votes so that they get into government. People actually die from their imcompetence. While the saying “better late than never” rings true here, it gets a bit stale when you think of all those that have died needlessly due to dilly-dallying and general indecisiveness of our government, and their tendency to introduce policies that never quite solve problems fully and at the root source. While I agree that COVID may not be fully beat, we didn’t help ourselves by wasting all that time instead of fighting it aggressively. | |||
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" not breaking the rules... just going a long way round (with possible more expense and hassle) Seems a lot of extra grief just to try and avoid £1750 is the non red transit country going to allow you to park up for 2 weeks assuming transit country lets you in... you're going to need a hotel, food, adhere to the isolation rules of that country, tests etc.......for 2 weeks. Assuming you are ok and don't come down with the covid and you are negative at the end of your 2 weeks transit... you arrive back in uk... and will still need to isolate for 10 days and have 2 tests... Instead you could come straight back... stay in UK, pay the 1750 and then after 10 days... go home Whats the upside to this workaround? They don't want to be in hotel quarantine? I don't know. But it's not breaking the rules. I didn’t say there were breaking rules ... Where are they going to isolate in the transit country ?" "Alternatively they could do the right thing and understand they have been in a dangerous country and it would be excellent if they had some responsibility and not find a work around to cheat the system" It's not cheating the system. It's keeping the other variants out of the UK. I suspect it's under the category of "not our problem". (I'm on team "make it everywhere", but it's not cheating to avoid the UK for two weeks. It serves the same purpose) | |||
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" I believe Australia won't even let its own citizens in at all. Makes the UK scheme look generous. " Hi, Australian citizen here
My right to return to Australia is sacrosanct. It's part of being a citizen. (May be different if I were dual national, I'm not)
But there's a long queue, months last I heard, to get back in. And hotel quarantine is compulsory and the charges apply in most cases. | |||
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"When will all this whinging stop? I've heard countless times that people should be enforced to quarantine. They now look to do that and now you're all whining that it's an extortionate price? If you don't wanna pay the price then don't travel, it's quite simple. £175/night including meals isn't even that expensive. And that's before you account for tests, travel and security.
I am sure some people on here would start an argument with themselves if they accidentally looked into a mirror for to long
Could / Should this have been done earlier? Yes! Of course but we don't have time machines sadly so let's get behind these actions now.
Is this better starting from Monday as opposed to continuing as we were basically trusting people to do the right thing?? Absolutely! I has seen figures showing as low as 10% of travellers actually self isolate when they were supposed to sadly.
If you dig around you'll find the price is pretty much comparable to countries like Australia.
These measures will reduced infections rates other countries that have done similar have already shown that. Even if its just a relatively small reduction then thats fine as every bit helps.
Also this is one of the effective ways to guard against dangerous new variants been brought into the country.
KJ
It is only if you are coming from one of the country's below if you are coming from anywhere else you just have to say you are going to quarantine and that's why it just seems pointless.
Angola, Argentina, Bolivia, Botswana, Brazil, Burundi, Cape Verde, Chile, Colombia, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Ecuador, Eswatini, French Guiana, Guyana, Lesotho, Malawi, Mauritius, Mozambique, Namibia, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Portugal, Rwanda, Seychelles, South Africa, Suriname, Tanzania, United Arab Emirates, Uruguay, Venezuela, Zambia, Zimbabwe.
Interesting how the countries with the highest incidences of corona such as the US, Spain, Italy and France are not on this list yet only one European country is on the list. Funny coincidence, that.
The virus is raging in Europe and the US because of a combination of arrogance and stupidity of those documents but somehow they manage to put in place a policy almost 12 months after COVID, which disproportionately penalises people from black and brown countries, who with the exception of Brazil and South Africa, have not recorded high incidences.
Seems ironic that the UK with its high rates of COVID, is actually penalizing travelers from those countries with lower rates of covid than the UK.
France, for example, don’t need to be on the list atm as you can’t travel back and forth freely to France from the UK atm.
Understood. I just think they should do it for all countries and not just a few (or it defeats the purpose of what they are trying to achieve) and this should have been the way forward in April 2020.
This is what happens when we reward people who are arrogant and incompetent with our votes so that they get into government. People actually die from their imcompetence.
While the saying “better late than never” rings true here, it gets a bit stale when you think of all those that have died needlessly due to dilly-dallying and general indecisiveness of our government, and their tendency to introduce policies that never quite solve problems fully and at the root source. While I agree that COVID may not be fully beat, we didn’t help ourselves by wasting all that time instead of fighting it aggressively."If you add all the countries in one go then you end up with tonnes more admin and tonnes more phone calls and enquiries. Right now France and Australia don’t need to be on there because, basically their governments are doing the job already. Start with the places that need it and then once it’s up and running it’ll be much easier to add (and remove) places as and when needed. Whinging about what wasn’t done absolutely has its place (and as NHS worker there’s a loooooong list of things I’m furious about, especially from early on), and should be investigated and dealt with, but not in a “well it’s not done already so why bother” point. We still need to fight it aggressively now. Better late than never is accurate. | |||
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" not breaking the rules... just going a long way round (with possible more expense and hassle) Seems a lot of extra grief just to try and avoid £1750 is the non red transit country going to allow you to park up for 2 weeks assuming transit country lets you in... you're going to need a hotel, food, adhere to the isolation rules of that country, tests etc.......for 2 weeks. Assuming you are ok and don't come down with the covid and you are negative at the end of your 2 weeks transit... you arrive back in uk... and will still need to isolate for 10 days and have 2 tests... Instead you could come straight back... stay in UK, pay the 1750 and then after 10 days... go home Whats the upside to this workaround? They don't want to be in hotel quarantine? I don't know. But it's not breaking the rules. I didn’t say there were breaking rules ... Where are they going to isolate in the transit country ? "Alternatively they could do the right thing and understand they have been in a dangerous country and it would be excellent if they had some responsibility and not find a work around to cheat the system" It's not cheating the system. It's keeping the other variants out of the UK. I suspect it's under the category of "not our problem". (I'm on team "make it everywhere", but it's not cheating to avoid the UK for two weeks. It serves the same purpose)" Cheating the system isn’t breaking the rules . The reason the forced quarantine is having to be used is because people are breaking the rules . Now people are possibly unhappy about being forced to isolate in the U.K. and as they can’t break the rules they are trying to cheat the system .... But it’s not even a cheat to be fair as it’s actually likely to be more hassle than they are trying to avoid ,so begs the question, why bother trying to cheat the system. | |||
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