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"The government are fully aware that when they give instructions that are open to interpretation then people will start to give those instructions as much leeway as they can. We all have a distance in mind when someone says stay local, unfortunately it's different for everyone. How hard would it have been for the government to define a specific distance to be classified as local. From the amount of disregard for the rules, it's obvious and always has been that the spirit of the law wasn't going to cut it for everyone. It might have been a little bit better if the so called senior politicians and advisors had at least tried to lead by example from the beginning. " while i take your point on leading by example i don’t really think you can hold the government responsible for people blatantly breaking rules which are black and white in legislation there is ambiguity in distance because we don’t all live in the same circumstances ... i have 3 supermarkets within a 20 min walk ... people more rural might not have any in a 20 minute drive ... what is local to me is not also local to them abs to try to legislate local would make the law either too wide to defeat the purpose or too narrow and unenforceable there is no ambiguity on house parties... at some point people need to take responsibility for their own actions | |||
"I think if the truth is known there have been more than a tiny majority of people breaking the rules in one way or other ,maybe not having big parties or raves but meeting others when they are not supposed to." What are you basing that on considering 70m people live on this country? | |||
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"I think if the truth is known there have been more than a tiny majority of people breaking the rules in one way or other ,maybe not having big parties or raves but meeting others when they are not supposed to. What are you basing that on considering 70m people live on this country?" well theres only 5m in scotland and these were reports of scottish numbers of only one kind of rule break for a start it doesnt even start to touch on : awk it was grannies birthday we just popped in with presents and cake my sister just came round for dinner i know my sons girlfriend is in her own family bubble but they are only 19 its not fair to keep them apart i was picking the kids up from the childcare bubble , seems no harm to pop in for a wee cuppa and a chat before i went home all things that on their own seem reasonable but add up and add up i know you would love to lay the entire blame at the feet of the govt lionel but they are not marching people out of their houses into each others company and it doesn’t have to be the peoples compliance OR the government policy... its entirely possible we have issues with both admitting we have a problem with people ignoring the rules doesnt actually diminish the govts responsibility for the things they got wrong | |||
"I think if the truth is known there have been more than a tiny majority of people breaking the rules in one way or other ,maybe not having big parties or raves but meeting others when they are not supposed to. What are you basing that on considering 70m people live on this country? well theres only 5m in scotland and these were reports of scottish numbers of only one kind of rule break for a start it doesnt even start to touch on : awk it was grannies birthday we just popped in with presents and cake my sister just came round for dinner i know my sons girlfriend is in her own family bubble but they are only 19 its not fair to keep them apart i was picking the kids up from the childcare bubble , seems no harm to pop in for a wee cuppa and a chat before i went home all things that on their own seem reasonable but add up and add up i know you would love to lay the entire blame at the feet of the govt lionel but they are not marching people out of their houses into each others company and it doesn’t have to be the peoples compliance OR the government policy... its entirely possible we have issues with both admitting we have a problem with people ignoring the rules doesnt actually diminish the govts responsibility for the things they got wrong " I'm not arguing people have broken the rules. I would still say its the minority. And even If this is Thw case,it does nothing to detract from the handling of the situation | |||
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"Every single person breaks the ‘rules’. Can you honestly say, deep down you have never broken one of the ‘rules’? The government and media have done a great job of convincing people that it’s your neighbours fault for this debacle. Might that be because it distracts you from the shit show they are making of it? Stop blaming your neighbour and start looking at them." Actually yes I can say that. Also it's not the media at all it's individuals because it's far easier to blame someone else than look at your own behaviour and has nothing to do with the media it's just yet another thing for people to blame. | |||
"Every single person breaks the ‘rules’. Can you honestly say, deep down you have never broken one of the ‘rules’? The government and media have done a great job of convincing people that it’s your neighbours fault for this debacle. Might that be because it distracts you from the shit show they are making of it? Stop blaming your neighbour and start looking at them. Actually yes I can say that. Also it's not the media at all it's individuals because it's far easier to blame someone else than look at your own behaviour and has nothing to do with the media it's just yet another thing for people to blame." I honestly don’t believe you. Sorry. The media are stirring it up, you are clearly lapping it up and the government and running round like clowns locking everyone up. | |||
"Every single person breaks the ‘rules’. Can you honestly say, deep down you have never broken one of the ‘rules’? The government and media have done a great job of convincing people that it’s your neighbours fault for this debacle. Might that be because it distracts you from the shit show they are making of it? Stop blaming your neighbour and start looking at them. Actually yes I can say that. Also it's not the media at all it's individuals because it's far easier to blame someone else than look at your own behaviour and has nothing to do with the media it's just yet another thing for people to blame. I honestly don’t believe you. Sorry. The media are stirring it up, you are clearly lapping it up and the government and running round like clowns locking everyone up." You don't get to call me a liar. You asked question I answered it and I really don't care whether you believe me or not because it is the truth and actually the vast majority have stuck to the rules. | |||
"Every single person breaks the ‘rules’. Can you honestly say, deep down you have never broken one of the ‘rules’? The government and media have done a great job of convincing people that it’s your neighbours fault for this debacle. Might that be because it distracts you from the shit show they are making of it? Stop blaming your neighbour and start looking at them." At the moment government is doing a good job has done this year | |||
"Every single person breaks the ‘rules’. Can you honestly say, deep down you have never broken one of the ‘rules’? The government and media have done a great job of convincing people that it’s your neighbours fault for this debacle. Might that be because it distracts you from the shit show they are making of it? Stop blaming your neighbour and start looking at them.At the moment government is doing a good job has done this year" I agree. There have definitely been mistakes there's no denying that but I feel they have got there act together finally. | |||
"Every single person breaks the ‘rules’. Can you honestly say, deep down you have never broken one of the ‘rules’? The government and media have done a great job of convincing people that it’s your neighbours fault for this debacle. Might that be because it distracts you from the shit show they are making of it? Stop blaming your neighbour and start looking at them. Actually yes I can say that. Also it's not the media at all it's individuals because it's far easier to blame someone else than look at your own behaviour and has nothing to do with the media it's just yet another thing for people to blame. I honestly don’t believe you. Sorry. The media are stirring it up, you are clearly lapping it up and the government and running round like clowns locking everyone up. You don't get to call me a liar. You asked question I answered it and I really don't care whether you believe me or not because it is the truth and actually the vast majority have stuck to the rules. " I didn’t call you a liar. I find it very hard to believe that, throughout the past 12 months, you haven’t broken one of the rules in place. Not one, not even the occasional unessential journey? One trip to the shop for something you didn’t really really need? Don’t blame your neighbour, Don’t believe the hype and the government needs to be held to account. That’s all I’m saying. | |||
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"Every single person breaks the ‘rules’. Can you honestly say, deep down you have never broken one of the ‘rules’? The government and media have done a great job of convincing people that it’s your neighbours fault for this debacle. Might that be because it distracts you from the shit show they are making of it? Stop blaming your neighbour and start looking at them." this post is a bit of a contradiction all of us are breaking the rules but the government are just saying we are breaking the rules to distract you? which is it? | |||
"Every single person breaks the ‘rules’. Can you honestly say, deep down you have never broken one of the ‘rules’? The government and media have done a great job of convincing people that it’s your neighbours fault for this debacle. Might that be because it distracts you from the shit show they are making of it? Stop blaming your neighbour and start looking at them.At the moment government is doing a good job has done this year" Hahaha a good job? Yeh they’ve done a great job of making their mates richer. Every single penny spent on furlogh will need to be paid back, they are literally printing money. When they do that, believe it or not, the value of the pound in your pocket decreases. They are then chucking this money they’ve printed at their mates with ridiculous contracts. That’s a fantastic job that, really great. You’ll be much better off in the long run I’m sure. | |||
"Every single person breaks the ‘rules’. Can you honestly say, deep down you have never broken one of the ‘rules’? The government and media have done a great job of convincing people that it’s your neighbours fault for this debacle. Might that be because it distracts you from the shit show they are making of it? Stop blaming your neighbour and start looking at them. this post is a bit of a contradiction all of us are breaking the rules but the government are just saying we are breaking the rules to distract you? which is it? " I’ll break my thinking down for you, it can be a bit confusing... The government are saying ‘Its your neighbours fault’ so you don’t look at the mess they are making, you’re too busy twitching your curtains looking at your neighbours. | |||
"Every single person breaks the ‘rules’. Can you honestly say, deep down you have never broken one of the ‘rules’? The government and media have done a great job of convincing people that it’s your neighbours fault for this debacle. Might that be because it distracts you from the shit show they are making of it? Stop blaming your neighbour and start looking at them. Actually yes I can say that. Also it's not the media at all it's individuals because it's far easier to blame someone else than look at your own behaviour and has nothing to do with the media it's just yet another thing for people to blame. I honestly don’t believe you. Sorry. The media are stirring it up, you are clearly lapping it up and the government and running round like clowns locking everyone up. You don't get to call me a liar. You asked question I answered it and I really don't care whether you believe me or not because it is the truth and actually the vast majority have stuck to the rules. I didn’t call you a liar. I find it very hard to believe that, throughout the past 12 months, you haven’t broken one of the rules in place. Not one, not even the occasional unessential journey? One trip to the shop for something you didn’t really really need? Don’t blame your neighbour, Don’t believe the hype and the government needs to be held to account. That’s all I’m saying. " Nope not once and I have never blamed my neighbour. I Take personal responsibility and I don't blame the press and also there is quite a lot of contradiction in what you are saying. | |||
"Every single person breaks the ‘rules’. Can you honestly say, deep down you have never broken one of the ‘rules’? The government and media have done a great job of convincing people that it’s your neighbours fault for this debacle. Might that be because it distracts you from the shit show they are making of it? Stop blaming your neighbour and start looking at them. this post is a bit of a contradiction all of us are breaking the rules but the government are just saying we are breaking the rules to distract you? which is it? I’ll break my thinking down for you, it can be a bit confusing... The government are saying ‘Its your neighbours fault’ so you don’t look at the mess they are making, you’re too busy twitching your curtains looking at your neighbours." When has the government ever said it is your neighbour's fault they have simply said we all need to take responsibility for our own actions. | |||
"Every single person breaks the ‘rules’. Can you honestly say, deep down you have never broken one of the ‘rules’? The government and media have done a great job of convincing people that it’s your neighbours fault for this debacle. Might that be because it distracts you from the shit show they are making of it? Stop blaming your neighbour and start looking at them. this post is a bit of a contradiction all of us are breaking the rules but the government are just saying we are breaking the rules to distract you? which is it? I’ll break my thinking down for you, it can be a bit confusing... The government are saying ‘Its your neighbours fault’ so you don’t look at the mess they are making, you’re too busy twitching your curtains looking at your neighbours." the government haven’t told me a thing for months ... i don’t watch the briefings, i barely turn on the news (today is maybe the first time i watched it since the summer and it was only because the apps bit of my tv takes a while to load snd i got distracted on my phone while the tv ran in the back ground) the thoughts i have about people breaking the rules are because 1. i see it happening around me constantly with my own eyes 2. i was also watching it happen in my wider circle via social media before i ditched that too 3. its on the local updates here constantly people trying to meet snd forum posts tell me thats not isolated to my local area 4. every person i talk to on dating apps invites me over because “thats covid dating” apparently (how to get murdered 101 if you ask me) , if they haven’t invited me over they chat about popping round their sisters at the weekend and painting their mums the week before etc etc 5. my family know i am depressed and keep inviting me to come have dinner or stay with them or can they pop down for a cup of tea cause they are worried 6. it doesn’t take much more than a basic understanding of how the virus transits to know that if we are in a national lockdown and the numbers haven’t dropped off a cliff, plenty folk aren’t abiding by the lockdown so which of those are examples of the government manipulating me to ignore their failures? please enlighten me ... much like your post i don’t believe barely anyone can say they have stuck to every rule all the way through (i would say full compliance exists in maybe 1 or 2 people i know in my full life even though for mist it will just be a wee visit to family or whatever) but unlike you i think we have to take personal responsibility for that | |||
"Every single person breaks the ‘rules’. Can you honestly say, deep down you have never broken one of the ‘rules’? The government and media have done a great job of convincing people that it’s your neighbours fault for this debacle. Might that be because it distracts you from the shit show they are making of it? Stop blaming your neighbour and start looking at them. Actually yes I can say that. Also it's not the media at all it's individuals because it's far easier to blame someone else than look at your own behaviour and has nothing to do with the media it's just yet another thing for people to blame. I honestly don’t believe you. Sorry. The media are stirring it up, you are clearly lapping it up and the government and running round like clowns locking everyone up." Think from your original post you are ' protesting too much' so to speak.. And no not everyone has broken the rules.. In fact a hell of a lot haven't.. Though I guess you have :/ | |||
"Every single person breaks the ‘rules’. Can you honestly say, deep down you have never broken one of the ‘rules’? The government and media have done a great job of convincing people that it’s your neighbours fault for this debacle. Might that be because it distracts you from the shit show they are making of it? Stop blaming your neighbour and start looking at them. Actually yes I can say that. Also it's not the media at all it's individuals because it's far easier to blame someone else than look at your own behaviour and has nothing to do with the media it's just yet another thing for people to blame. I honestly don’t believe you. Sorry. The media are stirring it up, you are clearly lapping it up and the government and running round like clowns locking everyone up. You don't get to call me a liar. You asked question I answered it and I really don't care whether you believe me or not because it is the truth and actually the vast majority have stuck to the rules. I didn’t call you a liar. I find it very hard to believe that, throughout the past 12 months, you haven’t broken one of the rules in place. Not one, not even the occasional unessential journey? One trip to the shop for something you didn’t really really need? Don’t blame your neighbour, Don’t believe the hype and the government needs to be held to account. That’s all I’m saying. Nope not once and I have never blamed my neighbour. I Take personal responsibility and I don't blame the press and also there is quite a lot of contradiction in what you are saying. " I don’t think it contradicts itself at all, maybe reread my points because I do think they are pretty valid. This post is about blaming your neighbours, I’m just taking a bit of personal responsibility to let folk know it’s not their neighbours fault, it’s the governments and the medias fault. | |||
"Every single person breaks the ‘rules’. Can you honestly say, deep down you have never broken one of the ‘rules’? The government and media have done a great job of convincing people that it’s your neighbours fault for this debacle. Might that be because it distracts you from the shit show they are making of it? Stop blaming your neighbour and start looking at them. Actually yes I can say that. Also it's not the media at all it's individuals because it's far easier to blame someone else than look at your own behaviour and has nothing to do with the media it's just yet another thing for people to blame. I honestly don’t believe you. Sorry. The media are stirring it up, you are clearly lapping it up and the government and running round like clowns locking everyone up. You don't get to call me a liar. You asked question I answered it and I really don't care whether you believe me or not because it is the truth and actually the vast majority have stuck to the rules. I didn’t call you a liar. I find it very hard to believe that, throughout the past 12 months, you haven’t broken one of the rules in place. Not one, not even the occasional unessential journey? One trip to the shop for something you didn’t really really need? Don’t blame your neighbour, Don’t believe the hype and the government needs to be held to account. That’s all I’m saying. Nope not once and I have never blamed my neighbour. I Take personal responsibility and I don't blame the press and also there is quite a lot of contradiction in what you are saying. " I think you are a bit paranoid maybe? It's not a witch hunt.. A we are being told is to look after each other and admittedly keep an eye on prolific rule breakers.. Which is fine by me if I'm honest | |||
"Every single person breaks the ‘rules’. Can you honestly say, deep down you have never broken one of the ‘rules’? The government and media have done a great job of convincing people that it’s your neighbours fault for this debacle. Might that be because it distracts you from the shit show they are making of it? Stop blaming your neighbour and start looking at them. this post is a bit of a contradiction all of us are breaking the rules but the government are just saying we are breaking the rules to distract you? which is it? I’ll break my thinking down for you, it can be a bit confusing... The government are saying ‘Its your neighbours fault’ so you don’t look at the mess they are making, you’re too busy twitching your curtains looking at your neighbours. When has the government ever said it is your neighbour's fault they have simply said we all need to take responsibility for our own actions. " I’ll quote the advert “Can you look the person in the eye and say you have done everything you can to help prevent the spread of Covid 19” It’s cleverly done, don’t get me wrong. Can see how people might have missed the insinuations, luckily it’s not wasted on me!! | |||
"Every single person breaks the ‘rules’. Can you honestly say, deep down you have never broken one of the ‘rules’? The government and media have done a great job of convincing people that it’s your neighbours fault for this debacle. Might that be because it distracts you from the shit show they are making of it? Stop blaming your neighbour and start looking at them. Actually yes I can say that. Also it's not the media at all it's individuals because it's far easier to blame someone else than look at your own behaviour and has nothing to do with the media it's just yet another thing for people to blame. I honestly don’t believe you. Sorry. The media are stirring it up, you are clearly lapping it up and the government and running round like clowns locking everyone up. You don't get to call me a liar. You asked question I answered it and I really don't care whether you believe me or not because it is the truth and actually the vast majority have stuck to the rules. I didn’t call you a liar. I find it very hard to believe that, throughout the past 12 months, you haven’t broken one of the rules in place. Not one, not even the occasional unessential journey? One trip to the shop for something you didn’t really really need? Don’t blame your neighbour, Don’t believe the hype and the government needs to be held to account. That’s all I’m saying. Nope not once and I have never blamed my neighbour. I Take personal responsibility and I don't blame the press and also there is quite a lot of contradiction in what you are saying. I don’t think it contradicts itself at all, maybe reread my points because I do think they are pretty valid. This post is about blaming your neighbours, I’m just taking a bit of personal responsibility to let folk know it’s not their neighbours fault, it’s the governments and the medias fault. " can you actually not see the contradiction or are you pretending not to see it as it invalidates you point people break rules and spread covid givernment and media report on rule breaking ergo the fault is the media and the government thats essentially what you are saying in your posts ... reporting on something doesn’t make you responsible for it also maybe google personal responsibility as i dont think you understand the term | |||
"Every single person breaks the ‘rules’. Can you honestly say, deep down you have never broken one of the ‘rules’? The government and media have done a great job of convincing people that it’s your neighbours fault for this debacle. Might that be because it distracts you from the shit show they are making of it? Stop blaming your neighbour and start looking at them. Actually yes I can say that. Also it's not the media at all it's individuals because it's far easier to blame someone else than look at your own behaviour and has nothing to do with the media it's just yet another thing for people to blame. I honestly don’t believe you. Sorry. The media are stirring it up, you are clearly lapping it up and the government and running round like clowns locking everyone up. Think from your original post you are ' protesting too much' so to speak.. And no not everyone has broken the rules.. In fact a hell of a lot haven't.. Though I guess you have :/" And I’m pretty sure you have too. | |||
"Every single person breaks the ‘rules’. Can you honestly say, deep down you have never broken one of the ‘rules’? The government and media have done a great job of convincing people that it’s your neighbours fault for this debacle. Might that be because it distracts you from the shit show they are making of it? Stop blaming your neighbour and start looking at them. Actually yes I can say that. Also it's not the media at all it's individuals because it's far easier to blame someone else than look at your own behaviour and has nothing to do with the media it's just yet another thing for people to blame. I honestly don’t believe you. Sorry. The media are stirring it up, you are clearly lapping it up and the government and running round like clowns locking everyone up. You don't get to call me a liar. You asked question I answered it and I really don't care whether you believe me or not because it is the truth and actually the vast majority have stuck to the rules. I didn’t call you a liar. I find it very hard to believe that, throughout the past 12 months, you haven’t broken one of the rules in place. Not one, not even the occasional unessential journey? One trip to the shop for something you didn’t really really need? Don’t blame your neighbour, Don’t believe the hype and the government needs to be held to account. That’s all I’m saying. Nope not once and I have never blamed my neighbour. I Take personal responsibility and I don't blame the press and also there is quite a lot of contradiction in what you are saying. I think you are a bit paranoid maybe? It's not a witch hunt.. A we are being told is to look after each other and admittedly keep an eye on prolific rule breakers.. Which is fine by me if I'm honest " Sorry how my being paranoid? the man asked if anyone could honestly say they haven't broken the rules I said yes he said he didn'tbelieve. I haven't taken anything personally I have answered a question. So again where am I being paranoid please because I'm obviously missing something I am just saying I don't blame my neighbours and I take personal responsibility. | |||
"Every single person breaks the ‘rules’. Can you honestly say, deep down you have never broken one of the ‘rules’? The government and media have done a great job of convincing people that it’s your neighbours fault for this debacle. Might that be because it distracts you from the shit show they are making of it? Stop blaming your neighbour and start looking at them. this post is a bit of a contradiction all of us are breaking the rules but the government are just saying we are breaking the rules to distract you? which is it? I’ll break my thinking down for you, it can be a bit confusing... The government are saying ‘Its your neighbours fault’ so you don’t look at the mess they are making, you’re too busy twitching your curtains looking at your neighbours. When has the government ever said it is your neighbour's fault they have simply said we all need to take responsibility for our own actions. I’ll quote the advert “Can you look the person in the eye and say you have done everything you can to help prevent the spread of Covid 19” It’s cleverly done, don’t get me wrong. Can see how people might have missed the insinuations, luckily it’s not wasted on me!! " genuinely have not seen this advert (as said earlier i dont watch tv - netflix and now tv are ad free services) my opinion is not changed one bit for having missed out on it | |||
"Every single person breaks the ‘rules’. Can you honestly say, deep down you have never broken one of the ‘rules’? The government and media have done a great job of convincing people that it’s your neighbours fault for this debacle. Might that be because it distracts you from the shit show they are making of it? Stop blaming your neighbour and start looking at them. Actually yes I can say that. Also it's not the media at all it's individuals because it's far easier to blame someone else than look at your own behaviour and has nothing to do with the media it's just yet another thing for people to blame. I honestly don’t believe you. Sorry. The media are stirring it up, you are clearly lapping it up and the government and running round like clowns locking everyone up. You don't get to call me a liar. You asked question I answered it and I really don't care whether you believe me or not because it is the truth and actually the vast majority have stuck to the rules. I didn’t call you a liar. I find it very hard to believe that, throughout the past 12 months, you haven’t broken one of the rules in place. Not one, not even the occasional unessential journey? One trip to the shop for something you didn’t really really need? Don’t blame your neighbour, Don’t believe the hype and the government needs to be held to account. That’s all I’m saying. Nope not once and I have never blamed my neighbour. I Take personal responsibility and I don't blame the press and also there is quite a lot of contradiction in what you are saying. I don’t think it contradicts itself at all, maybe reread my points because I do think they are pretty valid. This post is about blaming your neighbours, I’m just taking a bit of personal responsibility to let folk know it’s not their neighbours fault, it’s the governments and the medias fault. can you actually not see the contradiction or are you pretending not to see it as it invalidates you point people break rules and spread covid givernment and media report on rule breaking ergo the fault is the media and the government thats essentially what you are saying in your posts ... reporting on something doesn’t make you responsible for it also maybe google personal responsibility as i dont think you understand the term " Well thanks for spelling that out in black and white for me, unfortunately I don’t see it like you. I have a lot more faith in people I’m afraid, I know, shocking isn’t it? Having faith in the people rather than the media and the government? I must be mad. | |||
"Every single person breaks the ‘rules’. Can you honestly say, deep down you have never broken one of the ‘rules’? The government and media have done a great job of convincing people that it’s your neighbours fault for this debacle. Might that be because it distracts you from the shit show they are making of it? Stop blaming your neighbour and start looking at them. this post is a bit of a contradiction all of us are breaking the rules but the government are just saying we are breaking the rules to distract you? which is it? I’ll break my thinking down for you, it can be a bit confusing... The government are saying ‘Its your neighbours fault’ so you don’t look at the mess they are making, you’re too busy twitching your curtains looking at your neighbours. When has the government ever said it is your neighbour's fault they have simply said we all need to take responsibility for our own actions. I’ll quote the advert “Can you look the person in the eye and say you have done everything you can to help prevent the spread of Covid 19” It’s cleverly done, don’t get me wrong. Can see how people might have missed the insinuations, luckily it’s not wasted on me!! " Yes I have seen The Adverts and yes it says about personal responsibility which I am taking as are the vast majority of the population, there will always be rule breakers but I don't see how that is the media telling us to blame our neighbours which is what you have quite clearly said on several posts. | |||
"Every single person breaks the ‘rules’. Can you honestly say, deep down you have never broken one of the ‘rules’? The government and media have done a great job of convincing people that it’s your neighbours fault for this debacle. Might that be because it distracts you from the shit show they are making of it? Stop blaming your neighbour and start looking at them. Actually yes I can say that. Also it's not the media at all it's individuals because it's far easier to blame someone else than look at your own behaviour and has nothing to do with the media it's just yet another thing for people to blame. I honestly don’t believe you. Sorry. The media are stirring it up, you are clearly lapping it up and the government and running round like clowns locking everyone up. You don't get to call me a liar. You asked question I answered it and I really don't care whether you believe me or not because it is the truth and actually the vast majority have stuck to the rules. I didn’t call you a liar. I find it very hard to believe that, throughout the past 12 months, you haven’t broken one of the rules in place. Not one, not even the occasional unessential journey? One trip to the shop for something you didn’t really really need? Don’t blame your neighbour, Don’t believe the hype and the government needs to be held to account. That’s all I’m saying. Nope not once and I have never blamed my neighbour. I Take personal responsibility and I don't blame the press and also there is quite a lot of contradiction in what you are saying. I don’t think it contradicts itself at all, maybe reread my points because I do think they are pretty valid. This post is about blaming your neighbours, I’m just taking a bit of personal responsibility to let folk know it’s not their neighbours fault, it’s the governments and the medias fault. can you actually not see the contradiction or are you pretending not to see it as it invalidates you point people break rules and spread covid givernment and media report on rule breaking ergo the fault is the media and the government thats essentially what you are saying in your posts ... reporting on something doesn’t make you responsible for it also maybe google personal responsibility as i dont think you understand the term Well thanks for spelling that out in black and white for me, unfortunately I don’t see it like you. I have a lot more faith in people I’m afraid, I know, shocking isn’t it? Having faith in the people rather than the media and the government? I must be mad." you have faith in the people to do what exactly? its certainly not contain covid by following the rules ... the first thing you argued was everyone is breaking them | |||
"Every single person breaks the ‘rules’. Can you honestly say, deep down you have never broken one of the ‘rules’? The government and media have done a great job of convincing people that it’s your neighbours fault for this debacle. Might that be because it distracts you from the shit show they are making of it? Stop blaming your neighbour and start looking at them. Actually yes I can say that. Also it's not the media at all it's individuals because it's far easier to blame someone else than look at your own behaviour and has nothing to do with the media it's just yet another thing for people to blame. I honestly don’t believe you. Sorry. The media are stirring it up, you are clearly lapping it up and the government and running round like clowns locking everyone up. You don't get to call me a liar. You asked question I answered it and I really don't care whether you believe me or not because it is the truth and actually the vast majority have stuck to the rules. I didn’t call you a liar. I find it very hard to believe that, throughout the past 12 months, you haven’t broken one of the rules in place. Not one, not even the occasional unessential journey? One trip to the shop for something you didn’t really really need? Don’t blame your neighbour, Don’t believe the hype and the government needs to be held to account. That’s all I’m saying. Nope not once and I have never blamed my neighbour. I Take personal responsibility and I don't blame the press and also there is quite a lot of contradiction in what you are saying. I don’t think it contradicts itself at all, maybe reread my points because I do think they are pretty valid. This post is about blaming your neighbours, I’m just taking a bit of personal responsibility to let folk know it’s not their neighbours fault, it’s the governments and the medias fault. can you actually not see the contradiction or are you pretending not to see it as it invalidates you point people break rules and spread covid givernment and media report on rule breaking ergo the fault is the media and the government thats essentially what you are saying in your posts ... reporting on something doesn’t make you responsible for it also maybe google personal responsibility as i dont think you understand the term Well thanks for spelling that out in black and white for me, unfortunately I don’t see it like you. I have a lot more faith in people I’m afraid, I know, shocking isn’t it? Having faith in the people rather than the media and the government? I must be mad. you have faith in the people to do what exactly? its certainly not contain covid by following the rules ... the first thing you argued was everyone is breaking them " And you have a remarkable talent for seeing everything in black and white. | |||
"Every single person breaks the ‘rules’. Can you honestly say, deep down you have never broken one of the ‘rules’? The government and media have done a great job of convincing people that it’s your neighbours fault for this debacle. Might that be because it distracts you from the shit show they are making of it? Stop blaming your neighbour and start looking at them. this post is a bit of a contradiction all of us are breaking the rules but the government are just saying we are breaking the rules to distract you? which is it? I’ll break my thinking down for you, it can be a bit confusing... The government are saying ‘Its your neighbours fault’ so you don’t look at the mess they are making, you’re too busy twitching your curtains looking at your neighbours. When has the government ever said it is your neighbour's fault they have simply said we all need to take responsibility for our own actions. I’ll quote the advert “Can you look the person in the eye and say you have done everything you can to help prevent the spread of Covid 19” It’s cleverly done, don’t get me wrong. Can see how people might have missed the insinuations, luckily it’s not wasted on me!! Yes I have seen The Adverts and yes it says about personal responsibility which I am taking as are the vast majority of the population, there will always be rule breakers but I don't see how that is the media telling us to blame our neighbours which is what you have quite clearly said on several posts." You’ll have to reread it I’m afraid because it’s not that clear to me. I’ll quote myself.. “The media are stirring it up, you are clearly lapping it up and the government are running round like clowns locking everybody up” | |||
"Every single person breaks the ‘rules’. Can you honestly say, deep down you have never broken one of the ‘rules’? The government and media have done a great job of convincing people that it’s your neighbours fault for this debacle. Might that be because it distracts you from the shit show they are making of it? Stop blaming your neighbour and start looking at them. Actually yes I can say that. Also it's not the media at all it's individuals because it's far easier to blame someone else than look at your own behaviour and has nothing to do with the media it's just yet another thing for people to blame. I honestly don’t believe you. Sorry. The media are stirring it up, you are clearly lapping it up and the government and running round like clowns locking everyone up. You don't get to call me a liar. You asked question I answered it and I really don't care whether you believe me or not because it is the truth and actually the vast majority have stuck to the rules. I didn’t call you a liar. I find it very hard to believe that, throughout the past 12 months, you haven’t broken one of the rules in place. Not one, not even the occasional unessential journey? One trip to the shop for something you didn’t really really need? Don’t blame your neighbour, Don’t believe the hype and the government needs to be held to account. That’s all I’m saying. Nope not once and I have never blamed my neighbour. I Take personal responsibility and I don't blame the press and also there is quite a lot of contradiction in what you are saying. I don’t think it contradicts itself at all, maybe reread my points because I do think they are pretty valid. This post is about blaming your neighbours, I’m just taking a bit of personal responsibility to let folk know it’s not their neighbours fault, it’s the governments and the medias fault. can you actually not see the contradiction or are you pretending not to see it as it invalidates you point people break rules and spread covid givernment and media report on rule breaking ergo the fault is the media and the government thats essentially what you are saying in your posts ... reporting on something doesn’t make you responsible for it also maybe google personal responsibility as i dont think you understand the term Well thanks for spelling that out in black and white for me, unfortunately I don’t see it like you. I have a lot more faith in people I’m afraid, I know, shocking isn’t it? Having faith in the people rather than the media and the government? I must be mad. you have faith in the people to do what exactly? its certainly not contain covid by following the rules ... the first thing you argued was everyone is breaking them And you have a remarkable talent for seeing everything in black and white." if you mean reading the black and white text you have added to the thread then yes i do ... but for some reason you seem to be drawing entirely different conclusions from what you have written than the rules of the english language would give the rest of us on what earth does it makes sense to say i agree everyone is breaking the rules but its not their fault , it's the media at fault for telling me about it | |||
"Every single person breaks the ‘rules’. Can you honestly say, deep down you have never broken one of the ‘rules’? The government and media have done a great job of convincing people that it’s your neighbours fault for this debacle. Might that be because it distracts you from the shit show they are making of it? Stop blaming your neighbour and start looking at them. this post is a bit of a contradiction all of us are breaking the rules but the government are just saying we are breaking the rules to distract you? which is it? I’ll break my thinking down for you, it can be a bit confusing... The government are saying ‘Its your neighbours fault’ so you don’t look at the mess they are making, you’re too busy twitching your curtains looking at your neighbours. When has the government ever said it is your neighbour's fault they have simply said we all need to take responsibility for our own actions. I’ll quote the advert “Can you look the person in the eye and say you have done everything you can to help prevent the spread of Covid 19” It’s cleverly done, don’t get me wrong. Can see how people might have missed the insinuations, luckily it’s not wasted on me!! Yes I have seen The Adverts and yes it says about personal responsibility which I am taking as are the vast majority of the population, there will always be rule breakers but I don't see how that is the media telling us to blame our neighbours which is what you have quite clearly said on several posts. You’ll have to reread it I’m afraid because it’s not that clear to me. I’ll quote myself.. “The media are stirring it up, you are clearly lapping it up and the government are running round like clowns locking everybody up”" OK obviously you have very little faith in your fellow human beings and there's not much I can do to restore that other than say I know I have not broken any of the rules. I have been a stickler and stuck to them rigidly you don't have to believe me but you also don't have to say to me that I'm somehow gullible for believing what the media say as I have said I take personal responsibility and I expect others to as well. | |||
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"Every single person breaks the ‘rules’. Can you honestly say, deep down you have never broken one of the ‘rules’? The government and media have done a great job of convincing people that it’s your neighbours fault for this debacle. Might that be because it distracts you from the shit show they are making of it? Stop blaming your neighbour and start looking at them. Actually yes I can say that. Also it's not the media at all it's individuals because it's far easier to blame someone else than look at your own behaviour and has nothing to do with the media it's just yet another thing for people to blame. I honestly don’t believe you. Sorry. The media are stirring it up, you are clearly lapping it up and the government and running round like clowns locking everyone up. You don't get to call me a liar. You asked question I answered it and I really don't care whether you believe me or not because it is the truth and actually the vast majority have stuck to the rules. I didn’t call you a liar. I find it very hard to believe that, throughout the past 12 months, you haven’t broken one of the rules in place. Not one, not even the occasional unessential journey? One trip to the shop for something you didn’t really really need? Don’t blame your neighbour, Don’t believe the hype and the government needs to be held to account. That’s all I’m saying. Nope not once and I have never blamed my neighbour. I Take personal responsibility and I don't blame the press and also there is quite a lot of contradiction in what you are saying. I don’t think it contradicts itself at all, maybe reread my points because I do think they are pretty valid. This post is about blaming your neighbours, I’m just taking a bit of personal responsibility to let folk know it’s not their neighbours fault, it’s the governments and the medias fault. can you actually not see the contradiction or are you pretending not to see it as it invalidates you point people break rules and spread covid givernment and media report on rule breaking ergo the fault is the media and the government thats essentially what you are saying in your posts ... reporting on something doesn’t make you responsible for it also maybe google personal responsibility as i dont think you understand the term Well thanks for spelling that out in black and white for me, unfortunately I don’t see it like you. I have a lot more faith in people I’m afraid, I know, shocking isn’t it? Having faith in the people rather than the media and the government? I must be mad. you have faith in the people to do what exactly? its certainly not contain covid by following the rules ... the first thing you argued was everyone is breaking them And you have a remarkable talent for seeing everything in black and white. if you mean reading the black and white text you have added to the thread then yes i do ... but for some reason you seem to be drawing entirely different conclusions from what you have written than the rules of the english language would give the rest of us on what earth does it makes sense to say i agree everyone is breaking the rules but its not their fault , it's the media at fault for telling me about it " When I say about your talent for seeing everything in black and white I don’t mean the text. Everything is black and white, no middle ground, to quote you “people break the rules, spread Covid” it’s really not that simple. What I’m saying is, yes people break the rules but that is not the reason we are in such a mess. That is the fault of the media, for scaring everyone half to death and the Government for the way they have handled it. | |||
"It makes me feel sad and to be honest, ashamed to be Scottish that this is happening because I'm not one for having a piss up. I wasn't brought up that way x" i love a bevvy kat but teetoal atm because drinking alone is no fun it just happened to be the scottish news i saw it on and the numbers reported from police scotland, i have no doubt in my mind that this is not just a scottish issue and not something to make us ashamed to be scottish ... ashamed of the selfishness of our fellow humans in general though maybe | |||
"Every single person breaks the ‘rules’. Can you honestly say, deep down you have never broken one of the ‘rules’? The government and media have done a great job of convincing people that it’s your neighbours fault for this debacle. Might that be because it distracts you from the shit show they are making of it? Stop blaming your neighbour and start looking at them. Actually yes I can say that. Also it's not the media at all it's individuals because it's far easier to blame someone else than look at your own behaviour and has nothing to do with the media it's just yet another thing for people to blame. I honestly don’t believe you. Sorry. The media are stirring it up, you are clearly lapping it up and the government and running round like clowns locking everyone up. You don't get to call me a liar. You asked question I answered it and I really don't care whether you believe me or not because it is the truth and actually the vast majority have stuck to the rules. I didn’t call you a liar. I find it very hard to believe that, throughout the past 12 months, you haven’t broken one of the rules in place. Not one, not even the occasional unessential journey? One trip to the shop for something you didn’t really really need? Don’t blame your neighbour, Don’t believe the hype and the government needs to be held to account. That’s all I’m saying. Nope not once and I have never blamed my neighbour. I Take personal responsibility and I don't blame the press and also there is quite a lot of contradiction in what you are saying. I don’t think it contradicts itself at all, maybe reread my points because I do think they are pretty valid. This post is about blaming your neighbours, I’m just taking a bit of personal responsibility to let folk know it’s not their neighbours fault, it’s the governments and the medias fault. can you actually not see the contradiction or are you pretending not to see it as it invalidates you point people break rules and spread covid givernment and media report on rule breaking ergo the fault is the media and the government thats essentially what you are saying in your posts ... reporting on something doesn’t make you responsible for it also maybe google personal responsibility as i dont think you understand the term Well thanks for spelling that out in black and white for me, unfortunately I don’t see it like you. I have a lot more faith in people I’m afraid, I know, shocking isn’t it? Having faith in the people rather than the media and the government? I must be mad. you have faith in the people to do what exactly? its certainly not contain covid by following the rules ... the first thing you argued was everyone is breaking them And you have a remarkable talent for seeing everything in black and white. if you mean reading the black and white text you have added to the thread then yes i do ... but for some reason you seem to be drawing entirely different conclusions from what you have written than the rules of the english language would give the rest of us on what earth does it makes sense to say i agree everyone is breaking the rules but its not their fault , it's the media at fault for telling me about it When I say about your talent for seeing everything in black and white I don’t mean the text. Everything is black and white, no middle ground, to quote you “people break the rules, spread Covid” it’s really not that simple. What I’m saying is, yes people break the rules but that is not the reason we are in such a mess. That is the fault of the media, for scaring everyone half to death and the Government for the way they have handled it." people are not dying of fear, they are dying from a virus which does not understand your shades of grey ... it requires contact to spread , if we deprive it of that contact the rate of spread will fall off a cliff ... it really is that black and white and no amount of media hyping anything up can. cause the virus to jump between people who have had no contact | |||
"Every single person breaks the ‘rules’. Can you honestly say, deep down you have never broken one of the ‘rules’? The government and media have done a great job of convincing people that it’s your neighbours fault for this debacle. Might that be because it distracts you from the shit show they are making of it? Stop blaming your neighbour and start looking at them. this post is a bit of a contradiction all of us are breaking the rules but the government are just saying we are breaking the rules to distract you? which is it? I’ll break my thinking down for you, it can be a bit confusing... The government are saying ‘Its your neighbours fault’ so you don’t look at the mess they are making, you’re too busy twitching your curtains looking at your neighbours. When has the government ever said it is your neighbour's fault they have simply said we all need to take responsibility for our own actions. I’ll quote the advert “Can you look the person in the eye and say you have done everything you can to help prevent the spread of Covid 19” It’s cleverly done, don’t get me wrong. Can see how people might have missed the insinuations, luckily it’s not wasted on me!! Yes I have seen The Adverts and yes it says about personal responsibility which I am taking as are the vast majority of the population, there will always be rule breakers but I don't see how that is the media telling us to blame our neighbours which is what you have quite clearly said on several posts. You’ll have to reread it I’m afraid because it’s not that clear to me. I’ll quote myself.. “The media are stirring it up, you are clearly lapping it up and the government are running round like clowns locking everybody up” OK obviously you have very little faith in your fellow human beings and there's not much I can do to restore that other than say I know I have not broken any of the rules. I have been a stickler and stuck to them rigidly you don't have to believe me but you also don't have to say to me that I'm somehow gullible for believing what the media say as I have said I take personal responsibility and I expect others to as well." Ok. Yes. I have no faith in people. I’m not sure you’re getting mixed up but I’m the one saying “it’s not your neighbours fault” The rules are ridiculous and deliberately misleading, there to be broken. Lockdown, no lockdown this virus will do exactly as it pleases. Nobody’s fault. That’s it. My point. Nutshell. | |||
"It makes me feel sad and to be honest, ashamed to be Scottish that this is happening because I'm not one for having a piss up. I wasn't brought up that way x i love a bevvy kat but teetoal atm because drinking alone is no fun it just happened to be the scottish news i saw it on and the numbers reported from police scotland, i have no doubt in my mind that this is not just a scottish issue and not something to make us ashamed to be scottish ... ashamed of the selfishness of our fellow humans in general though maybe " Oh I'm absolutely with you in agreement on that. I also try not to drink even one glass of wine at the weekend as it just gets me down x | |||
"Every single person breaks the ‘rules’. Can you honestly say, deep down you have never broken one of the ‘rules’? The government and media have done a great job of convincing people that it’s your neighbours fault for this debacle. Might that be because it distracts you from the shit show they are making of it? Stop blaming your neighbour and start looking at them. Actually yes I can say that. Also it's not the media at all it's individuals because it's far easier to blame someone else than look at your own behaviour and has nothing to do with the media it's just yet another thing for people to blame. I honestly don’t believe you. Sorry. The media are stirring it up, you are clearly lapping it up and the government and running round like clowns locking everyone up. You don't get to call me a liar. You asked question I answered it and I really don't care whether you believe me or not because it is the truth and actually the vast majority have stuck to the rules. I didn’t call you a liar. I find it very hard to believe that, throughout the past 12 months, you haven’t broken one of the rules in place. Not one, not even the occasional unessential journey? One trip to the shop for something you didn’t really really need? Don’t blame your neighbour, Don’t believe the hype and the government needs to be held to account. That’s all I’m saying. Nope not once and I have never blamed my neighbour. I Take personal responsibility and I don't blame the press and also there is quite a lot of contradiction in what you are saying. I don’t think it contradicts itself at all, maybe reread my points because I do think they are pretty valid. This post is about blaming your neighbours, I’m just taking a bit of personal responsibility to let folk know it’s not their neighbours fault, it’s the governments and the medias fault. can you actually not see the contradiction or are you pretending not to see it as it invalidates you point people break rules and spread covid givernment and media report on rule breaking ergo the fault is the media and the government thats essentially what you are saying in your posts ... reporting on something doesn’t make you responsible for it also maybe google personal responsibility as i dont think you understand the term Well thanks for spelling that out in black and white for me, unfortunately I don’t see it like you. I have a lot more faith in people I’m afraid, I know, shocking isn’t it? Having faith in the people rather than the media and the government? I must be mad. you have faith in the people to do what exactly? its certainly not contain covid by following the rules ... the first thing you argued was everyone is breaking them And you have a remarkable talent for seeing everything in black and white. if you mean reading the black and white text you have added to the thread then yes i do ... but for some reason you seem to be drawing entirely different conclusions from what you have written than the rules of the english language would give the rest of us on what earth does it makes sense to say i agree everyone is breaking the rules but its not their fault , it's the media at fault for telling me about it When I say about your talent for seeing everything in black and white I don’t mean the text. Everything is black and white, no middle ground, to quote you “people break the rules, spread Covid” it’s really not that simple. What I’m saying is, yes people break the rules but that is not the reason we are in such a mess. That is the fault of the media, for scaring everyone half to death and the Government for the way they have handled it. people are not dying of fear, they are dying from a virus which does not understand your shades of grey ... it requires contact to spread , if we deprive it of that contact the rate of spread will fall off a cliff ... it really is that black and white and no amount of media hyping anything up can. cause the virus to jump between people who have had no contact " Or so you’ve been told. This virus will spread regardless. Lockdown or no lockdown. It’s not going anywhere. | |||
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"Every single person breaks the ‘rules’. Can you honestly say, deep down you have never broken one of the ‘rules’? The government and media have done a great job of convincing people that it’s your neighbours fault for this debacle. Might that be because it distracts you from the shit show they are making of it? Stop blaming your neighbour and start looking at them. Actually yes I can say that. Also it's not the media at all it's individuals because it's far easier to blame someone else than look at your own behaviour and has nothing to do with the media it's just yet another thing for people to blame. I honestly don’t believe you. Sorry. The media are stirring it up, you are clearly lapping it up and the government and running round like clowns locking everyone up. You don't get to call me a liar. You asked question I answered it and I really don't care whether you believe me or not because it is the truth and actually the vast majority have stuck to the rules. I didn’t call you a liar. I find it very hard to believe that, throughout the past 12 months, you haven’t broken one of the rules in place. Not one, not even the occasional unessential journey? One trip to the shop for something you didn’t really really need? Don’t blame your neighbour, Don’t believe the hype and the government needs to be held to account. That’s all I’m saying. Nope not once and I have never blamed my neighbour. I Take personal responsibility and I don't blame the press and also there is quite a lot of contradiction in what you are saying. I don’t think it contradicts itself at all, maybe reread my points because I do think they are pretty valid. This post is about blaming your neighbours, I’m just taking a bit of personal responsibility to let folk know it’s not their neighbours fault, it’s the governments and the medias fault. can you actually not see the contradiction or are you pretending not to see it as it invalidates you point people break rules and spread covid givernment and media report on rule breaking ergo the fault is the media and the government thats essentially what you are saying in your posts ... reporting on something doesn’t make you responsible for it also maybe google personal responsibility as i dont think you understand the term Well thanks for spelling that out in black and white for me, unfortunately I don’t see it like you. I have a lot more faith in people I’m afraid, I know, shocking isn’t it? Having faith in the people rather than the media and the government? I must be mad. you have faith in the people to do what exactly? its certainly not contain covid by following the rules ... the first thing you argued was everyone is breaking them And you have a remarkable talent for seeing everything in black and white. if you mean reading the black and white text you have added to the thread then yes i do ... but for some reason you seem to be drawing entirely different conclusions from what you have written than the rules of the english language would give the rest of us on what earth does it makes sense to say i agree everyone is breaking the rules but its not their fault , it's the media at fault for telling me about it When I say about your talent for seeing everything in black and white I don’t mean the text. Everything is black and white, no middle ground, to quote you “people break the rules, spread Covid” it’s really not that simple. What I’m saying is, yes people break the rules but that is not the reason we are in such a mess. That is the fault of the media, for scaring everyone half to death and the Government for the way they have handled it. people are not dying of fear, they are dying from a virus which does not understand your shades of grey ... it requires contact to spread , if we deprive it of that contact the rate of spread will fall off a cliff ... it really is that black and white and no amount of media hyping anything up can. cause the virus to jump between people who have had no contact Or so you’ve been told. This virus will spread regardless. Lockdown or no lockdown. It’s not going anywhere. " i wasn’t told by some rumour mill that i just bought into like a brainwashed cult follower ... scientific fact is just that ... fact .., the virus requires contact to pass from person to person (yes there can for a period of time be an inanimate carrier the middle if touching the same items without proper hygiene but that is still a form of physical contact with the virus resulting from human behaviour) it is scientific fact that it the virus does not have legs and cannot just and and take itself to someone new it is scientific fact that less human interaction is less opportunity for the virus to spread and a lockdown is designed to reduce interaction lack of compliance with a lockdown is not proof that a lockdown doesn’t work , its just proof that we are too selfish a society to achieve the objectives of that lockdown | |||
"Every single person breaks the ‘rules’. Can you honestly say, deep down you have never broken one of the ‘rules’? The government and media have done a great job of convincing people that it’s your neighbours fault for this debacle. Might that be because it distracts you from the shit show they are making of it? Stop blaming your neighbour and start looking at them. this post is a bit of a contradiction all of us are breaking the rules but the government are just saying we are breaking the rules to distract you? which is it? I’ll break my thinking down for you, it can be a bit confusing... The government are saying ‘Its your neighbours fault’ so you don’t look at the mess they are making, you’re too busy twitching your curtains looking at your neighbours. When has the government ever said it is your neighbour's fault they have simply said we all need to take responsibility for our own actions. I’ll quote the advert “Can you look the person in the eye and say you have done everything you can to help prevent the spread of Covid 19” It’s cleverly done, don’t get me wrong. Can see how people might have missed the insinuations, luckily it’s not wasted on me!! Yes I have seen The Adverts and yes it says about personal responsibility which I am taking as are the vast majority of the population, there will always be rule breakers but I don't see how that is the media telling us to blame our neighbours which is what you have quite clearly said on several posts. You’ll have to reread it I’m afraid because it’s not that clear to me. I’ll quote myself.. “The media are stirring it up, you are clearly lapping it up and the government are running round like clowns locking everybody up” OK obviously you have very little faith in your fellow human beings and there's not much I can do to restore that other than say I know I have not broken any of the rules. I have been a stickler and stuck to them rigidly you don't have to believe me but you also don't have to say to me that I'm somehow gullible for believing what the media say as I have said I take personal responsibility and I expect others to as well. Ok. Yes. I have no faith in people. I’m not sure you’re getting mixed up but I’m the one saying “it’s not your neighbours fault” The rules are ridiculous and deliberately misleading, there to be broken. Lockdown, no lockdown this virus will do exactly as it pleases. Nobody’s fault. That’s it. My point. Nutshell. " But I don't think they are ridiculous and we all have a part to play in this whether it be government press or individuals if any individual doesn't play their part by deliberately breaking the rules then they are part of the problem. | |||
"Every single person breaks the ‘rules’. Can you honestly say, deep down you have never broken one of the ‘rules’? The government and media have done a great job of convincing people that it’s your neighbours fault for this debacle. Might that be because it distracts you from the shit show they are making of it? Stop blaming your neighbour and start looking at them. Actually yes I can say that. Also it's not the media at all it's individuals because it's far easier to blame someone else than look at your own behaviour and has nothing to do with the media it's just yet another thing for people to blame. I honestly don’t believe you. Sorry. The media are stirring it up, you are clearly lapping it up and the government and running round like clowns locking everyone up. You don't get to call me a liar. You asked question I answered it and I really don't care whether you believe me or not because it is the truth and actually the vast majority have stuck to the rules. I didn’t call you a liar. I find it very hard to believe that, throughout the past 12 months, you haven’t broken one of the rules in place. Not one, not even the occasional unessential journey? One trip to the shop for something you didn’t really really need? Don’t blame your neighbour, Don’t believe the hype and the government needs to be held to account. That’s all I’m saying. Nope not once and I have never blamed my neighbour. I Take personal responsibility and I don't blame the press and also there is quite a lot of contradiction in what you are saying. I don’t think it contradicts itself at all, maybe reread my points because I do think they are pretty valid. This post is about blaming your neighbours, I’m just taking a bit of personal responsibility to let folk know it’s not their neighbours fault, it’s the governments and the medias fault. can you actually not see the contradiction or are you pretending not to see it as it invalidates you point people break rules and spread covid givernment and media report on rule breaking ergo the fault is the media and the government thats essentially what you are saying in your posts ... reporting on something doesn’t make you responsible for it also maybe google personal responsibility as i dont think you understand the term Well thanks for spelling that out in black and white for me, unfortunately I don’t see it like you. I have a lot more faith in people I’m afraid, I know, shocking isn’t it? Having faith in the people rather than the media and the government? I must be mad. you have faith in the people to do what exactly? its certainly not contain covid by following the rules ... the first thing you argued was everyone is breaking them And you have a remarkable talent for seeing everything in black and white. if you mean reading the black and white text you have added to the thread then yes i do ... but for some reason you seem to be drawing entirely different conclusions from what you have written than the rules of the english language would give the rest of us on what earth does it makes sense to say i agree everyone is breaking the rules but its not their fault , it's the media at fault for telling me about it When I say about your talent for seeing everything in black and white I don’t mean the text. Everything is black and white, no middle ground, to quote you “people break the rules, spread Covid” it’s really not that simple. What I’m saying is, yes people break the rules but that is not the reason we are in such a mess. That is the fault of the media, for scaring everyone half to death and the Government for the way they have handled it. people are not dying of fear, they are dying from a virus which does not understand your shades of grey ... it requires contact to spread , if we deprive it of that contact the rate of spread will fall off a cliff ... it really is that black and white and no amount of media hyping anything up can. cause the virus to jump between people who have had no contact Or so you’ve been told. This virus will spread regardless. Lockdown or no lockdown. It’s not going anywhere. i wasn’t told by some rumour mill that i just bought into like a brainwashed cult follower ... scientific fact is just that ... fact .., the virus requires contact to pass from person to person (yes there can for a period of time be an inanimate carrier the middle if touching the same items without proper hygiene but that is still a form of physical contact with the virus resulting from human behaviour) it is scientific fact that it the virus does not have legs and cannot just and and take itself to someone new it is scientific fact that less human interaction is less opportunity for the virus to spread and a lockdown is designed to reduce interaction lack of compliance with a lockdown is not proof that a lockdown doesn’t work , its just proof that we are too selfish a society to achieve the objectives of that lockdown " Yes yes and I believe that people that say “it’s selfish people’s fault that the lockdowns aren’t working” are part of the problem. Literally not a clue and so quick to jump on people for breaking the rules. I suppose, with your kind of thinking, everybody who has ever caught Covid during a lockdown is selfish? How else would they catch it? Or is it the symptomatic super spreaders fault? Hahaha yeh it must be them. Seriously you need to have more faith in people, stop blaming your neighbour and the sooner you realise they are not to ‘blame’, the better off you will be. | |||
"Every single person breaks the ‘rules’. Can you honestly say, deep down you have never broken one of the ‘rules’? The government and media have done a great job of convincing people that it’s your neighbours fault for this debacle. Might that be because it distracts you from the shit show they are making of it? Stop blaming your neighbour and start looking at them. this post is a bit of a contradiction all of us are breaking the rules but the government are just saying we are breaking the rules to distract you? which is it? I’ll break my thinking down for you, it can be a bit confusing... The government are saying ‘Its your neighbours fault’ so you don’t look at the mess they are making, you’re too busy twitching your curtains looking at your neighbours. When has the government ever said it is your neighbour's fault they have simply said we all need to take responsibility for our own actions. I’ll quote the advert “Can you look the person in the eye and say you have done everything you can to help prevent the spread of Covid 19” It’s cleverly done, don’t get me wrong. Can see how people might have missed the insinuations, luckily it’s not wasted on me!! Yes I have seen The Adverts and yes it says about personal responsibility which I am taking as are the vast majority of the population, there will always be rule breakers but I don't see how that is the media telling us to blame our neighbours which is what you have quite clearly said on several posts. You’ll have to reread it I’m afraid because it’s not that clear to me. I’ll quote myself.. “The media are stirring it up, you are clearly lapping it up and the government are running round like clowns locking everybody up” OK obviously you have very little faith in your fellow human beings and there's not much I can do to restore that other than say I know I have not broken any of the rules. I have been a stickler and stuck to them rigidly you don't have to believe me but you also don't have to say to me that I'm somehow gullible for believing what the media say as I have said I take personal responsibility and I expect others to as well. Ok. Yes. I have no faith in people. I’m not sure you’re getting mixed up but I’m the one saying “it’s not your neighbours fault” The rules are ridiculous and deliberately misleading, there to be broken. Lockdown, no lockdown this virus will do exactly as it pleases. Nobody’s fault. That’s it. My point. Nutshell. But I don't think they are ridiculous and we all have a part to play in this whether it be government press or individuals if any individual doesn't play their part by deliberately breaking the rules then they are part of the problem. " So Is the governments part to hand out money to their pals? The media’s role is to stir everyone up? And the publics part to stay locked down forever and follow the rules? The virus will then magically disappear | |||
"Every single person breaks the ‘rules’. Can you honestly say, deep down you have never broken one of the ‘rules’? The government and media have done a great job of convincing people that it’s your neighbours fault for this debacle. Might that be because it distracts you from the shit show they are making of it? Stop blaming your neighbour and start looking at them. Actually yes I can say that. Also it's not the media at all it's individuals because it's far easier to blame someone else than look at your own behaviour and has nothing to do with the media it's just yet another thing for people to blame. I honestly don’t believe you. Sorry. The media are stirring it up, you are clearly lapping it up and the government and running round like clowns locking everyone up. You don't get to call me a liar. You asked question I answered it and I really don't care whether you believe me or not because it is the truth and actually the vast majority have stuck to the rules. I didn’t call you a liar. I find it very hard to believe that, throughout the past 12 months, you haven’t broken one of the rules in place. Not one, not even the occasional unessential journey? One trip to the shop for something you didn’t really really need? Don’t blame your neighbour, Don’t believe the hype and the government needs to be held to account. That’s all I’m saying. Nope not once and I have never blamed my neighbour. I Take personal responsibility and I don't blame the press and also there is quite a lot of contradiction in what you are saying. I don’t think it contradicts itself at all, maybe reread my points because I do think they are pretty valid. This post is about blaming your neighbours, I’m just taking a bit of personal responsibility to let folk know it’s not their neighbours fault, it’s the governments and the medias fault. can you actually not see the contradiction or are you pretending not to see it as it invalidates you point people break rules and spread covid givernment and media report on rule breaking ergo the fault is the media and the government thats essentially what you are saying in your posts ... reporting on something doesn’t make you responsible for it also maybe google personal responsibility as i dont think you understand the term Well thanks for spelling that out in black and white for me, unfortunately I don’t see it like you. I have a lot more faith in people I’m afraid, I know, shocking isn’t it? Having faith in the people rather than the media and the government? I must be mad. you have faith in the people to do what exactly? its certainly not contain covid by following the rules ... the first thing you argued was everyone is breaking them And you have a remarkable talent for seeing everything in black and white. if you mean reading the black and white text you have added to the thread then yes i do ... but for some reason you seem to be drawing entirely different conclusions from what you have written than the rules of the english language would give the rest of us on what earth does it makes sense to say i agree everyone is breaking the rules but its not their fault , it's the media at fault for telling me about it When I say about your talent for seeing everything in black and white I don’t mean the text. Everything is black and white, no middle ground, to quote you “people break the rules, spread Covid” it’s really not that simple. What I’m saying is, yes people break the rules but that is not the reason we are in such a mess. That is the fault of the media, for scaring everyone half to death and the Government for the way they have handled it. people are not dying of fear, they are dying from a virus which does not understand your shades of grey ... it requires contact to spread , if we deprive it of that contact the rate of spread will fall off a cliff ... it really is that black and white and no amount of media hyping anything up can. cause the virus to jump between people who have had no contact Or so you’ve been told. This virus will spread regardless. Lockdown or no lockdown. It’s not going anywhere. i wasn’t told by some rumour mill that i just bought into like a brainwashed cult follower ... scientific fact is just that ... fact .., the virus requires contact to pass from person to person (yes there can for a period of time be an inanimate carrier the middle if touching the same items without proper hygiene but that is still a form of physical contact with the virus resulting from human behaviour) it is scientific fact that it the virus does not have legs and cannot just and and take itself to someone new it is scientific fact that less human interaction is less opportunity for the virus to spread and a lockdown is designed to reduce interaction lack of compliance with a lockdown is not proof that a lockdown doesn’t work , its just proof that we are too selfish a society to achieve the objectives of that lockdown Yes yes and I believe that people that say “it’s selfish people’s fault that the lockdowns aren’t working” are part of the problem. Literally not a clue and so quick to jump on people for breaking the rules. I suppose, with your kind of thinking, everybody who has ever caught Covid during a lockdown is selfish? How else would they catch it? Or is it the symptomatic super spreaders fault? Hahaha yeh it must be them. Seriously you need to have more faith in people, stop blaming your neighbour and the sooner you realise they are not to ‘blame’, the better off you will be." no i dont think that at all so dont put words into my mouth people breaking the rules is causing. more cases does not equal every sick person is because someone broke the rules , one can be true without the other we can take as many precautions as possible and some people will still get sick we also cant completely shut down everything .,. people still need food and medical care ... you can’t blame people that took every precaution possible but still get sick but you can hold people having parties or blatantly ignoring the rules responsible for their actions | |||
"Every single person breaks the ‘rules’. Can you honestly say, deep down you have never broken one of the ‘rules’? The government and media have done a great job of convincing people that it’s your neighbours fault for this debacle. Might that be because it distracts you from the shit show they are making of it? Stop blaming your neighbour and start looking at them. Actually yes I can say that. Also it's not the media at all it's individuals because it's far easier to blame someone else than look at your own behaviour and has nothing to do with the media it's just yet another thing for people to blame. I honestly don’t believe you. Sorry. The media are stirring it up, you are clearly lapping it up and the government and running round like clowns locking everyone up. You don't get to call me a liar. You asked question I answered it and I really don't care whether you believe me or not because it is the truth and actually the vast majority have stuck to the rules. I didn’t call you a liar. I find it very hard to believe that, throughout the past 12 months, you haven’t broken one of the rules in place. Not one, not even the occasional unessential journey? One trip to the shop for something you didn’t really really need? Don’t blame your neighbour, Don’t believe the hype and the government needs to be held to account. That’s all I’m saying. Nope not once and I have never blamed my neighbour. I Take personal responsibility and I don't blame the press and also there is quite a lot of contradiction in what you are saying. I don’t think it contradicts itself at all, maybe reread my points because I do think they are pretty valid. This post is about blaming your neighbours, I’m just taking a bit of personal responsibility to let folk know it’s not their neighbours fault, it’s the governments and the medias fault. can you actually not see the contradiction or are you pretending not to see it as it invalidates you point people break rules and spread covid givernment and media report on rule breaking ergo the fault is the media and the government thats essentially what you are saying in your posts ... reporting on something doesn’t make you responsible for it also maybe google personal responsibility as i dont think you understand the term Well thanks for spelling that out in black and white for me, unfortunately I don’t see it like you. I have a lot more faith in people I’m afraid, I know, shocking isn’t it? Having faith in the people rather than the media and the government? I must be mad. you have faith in the people to do what exactly? its certainly not contain covid by following the rules ... the first thing you argued was everyone is breaking them And you have a remarkable talent for seeing everything in black and white. if you mean reading the black and white text you have added to the thread then yes i do ... but for some reason you seem to be drawing entirely different conclusions from what you have written than the rules of the english language would give the rest of us on what earth does it makes sense to say i agree everyone is breaking the rules but its not their fault , it's the media at fault for telling me about it When I say about your talent for seeing everything in black and white I don’t mean the text. Everything is black and white, no middle ground, to quote you “people break the rules, spread Covid” it’s really not that simple. What I’m saying is, yes people break the rules but that is not the reason we are in such a mess. That is the fault of the media, for scaring everyone half to death and the Government for the way they have handled it. people are not dying of fear, they are dying from a virus which does not understand your shades of grey ... it requires contact to spread , if we deprive it of that contact the rate of spread will fall off a cliff ... it really is that black and white and no amount of media hyping anything up can. cause the virus to jump between people who have had no contact Or so you’ve been told. This virus will spread regardless. Lockdown or no lockdown. It’s not going anywhere. i wasn’t told by some rumour mill that i just bought into like a brainwashed cult follower ... scientific fact is just that ... fact .., the virus requires contact to pass from person to person (yes there can for a period of time be an inanimate carrier the middle if touching the same items without proper hygiene but that is still a form of physical contact with the virus resulting from human behaviour) it is scientific fact that it the virus does not have legs and cannot just and and take itself to someone new it is scientific fact that less human interaction is less opportunity for the virus to spread and a lockdown is designed to reduce interaction lack of compliance with a lockdown is not proof that a lockdown doesn’t work , its just proof that we are too selfish a society to achieve the objectives of that lockdown Yes yes and I believe that people that say “it’s selfish people’s fault that the lockdowns aren’t working” are part of the problem. Literally not a clue and so quick to jump on people for breaking the rules. I suppose, with your kind of thinking, everybody who has ever caught Covid during a lockdown is selfish? How else would they catch it? Or is it the symptomatic super spreaders fault? Hahaha yeh it must be them. Seriously you need to have more faith in people, stop blaming your neighbour and the sooner you realise they are not to ‘blame’, the better off you will be. no i dont think that at all so dont put words into my mouth people breaking the rules is causing. more cases does not equal every sick person is because someone broke the rules , one can be true without the other we can take as many precautions as possible and some people will still get sick we also cant completely shut down everything .,. people still need food and medical care ... you can’t blame people that took every precaution possible but still get sick but you can hold people having parties or blatantly ignoring the rules responsible for their actions " Is that not what you said? I’ll quote you directly “ is not proof that a lockdown doesn’t work , its just proof that we are too selfish a society to achieve the objectives of that lockdown” Sounds like your blaming people to me. | |||
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" Always going to be a few breaking any kind of law or even rule and we all do it every day with out most of us realizing it ?? but trying to shift the "Blame" on to the so called "Few" is now pretty much standard for this government as much as the ever changing rules and u turns they have done ...just down here yesterday with the vaccinations...utter confusion .. "I (Chris) reckon I've been very strict with myself on the rules, not seen my parents for a year etc etc., don't call me a hero. BUT I have a very small family, don't have kids of my own, work from home or in a very distanced office, so in a way its been easier for me to stick by the rules. If you're used to a big family environment, kids coming in and out, in school, out of school, relatives in nursing homes, working in a busier less distanced environment etc etc then I can see that you may well think there's so many virus transmission options that are unavoidable a few other breaches of the rules won't make much difference. | |||
" I (Chris) reckon I've been very strict with myself on the rules, not seen my parents for a year etc etc., don't call me a hero. " Couldn't you have seen your parents in August when shielding had stopped ? | |||
" I (Chris) reckon I've been very strict with myself on the rules, not seen my parents for a year etc etc., don't call me a hero. Couldn't you have seen your parents in August when shielding had stopped ?" Can't remember all the exact rule change dates but I absolutely didn't want to risk it. | |||
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" Is that not what you said? I’ll quote you directly “ is not proof that a lockdown doesn’t work , its just proof that we are too selfish a society to achieve the objectives of that lockdown” Sounds like your blaming people to me. " where does that say that every person that got sick has only theirselves to blame? youve inferred that yourself i haven’t written it and i don’t think it you tell me i have an issue with only seeing black and white yet you seem to have no comprehension that we don’t need to lay all blame on the government or all blame on the people... it is entirely possible and true that both have blame to share (my earlier posts already say that acknowledging people are ignoring lockdown doesn’t absolve the government from the blame for the things they got wrong) , but by the same token you can only lead a horse to water and can’t make it drink ... if a law is in place and people are blatantly ignoring it they cant blame anyone else for that action and would you believe this ... even some of the deaths there is nobody to blame for ... its a virus and it will do everything it can to survive including mutate , all we can do (both the government and the people) is everything in our power to control it and reduce those deaths as much as possible my opinion is i don’t think people are doing that , and 7000 house parties being broken up proves that whereas you seem to think if we just stop holding people accountable problem solved  | |||
" Is that not what you said? I’ll quote you directly “ is not proof that a lockdown doesn’t work , its just proof that we are too selfish a society to achieve the objectives of that lockdown” Sounds like your blaming people to me. where does that say that every person that got sick has only theirselves to blame? youve inferred that yourself i haven’t written it and i don’t think it you tell me i have an issue with only seeing black and white yet you seem to have no comprehension that we don’t need to lay all blame on the government or all blame on the people... it is entirely possible and true that both have blame to share (my earlier posts already say that acknowledging people are ignoring lockdown doesn’t absolve the government from the blame for the things they got wrong) , but by the same token you can only lead a horse to water and can’t make it drink ... if a law is in place and people are blatantly ignoring it they cant blame anyone else for that action and would you believe this ... even some of the deaths there is nobody to blame for ... its a virus and it will do everything it can to survive including mutate , all we can do (both the government and the people) is everything in our power to control it and reduce those deaths as much as possible my opinion is i don’t think people are doing that , and 7000 house parties being broken up proves that whereas you seem to think if we just stop holding people accountable problem solved " Well said | |||
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" I (Chris) reckon I've been very strict with myself on the rules, not seen my parents for a year etc etc., don't call me a hero. Couldn't you have seen your parents in August when shielding had stopped ?" The guidelines post August regarding shielding where wishy-washy. It was all most like you can but you shouldn't, that is definitely how the letter read to us. | |||
" I (Chris) reckon I've been very strict with myself on the rules, not seen my parents for a year etc etc., don't call me a hero. Couldn't you have seen your parents in August when shielding had stopped ? The guidelines post August regarding shielding where wishy-washy. It was all most like you can but you shouldn't, that is definitely how the letter read to us." I think at the time, August, I was also imagining that widespread symptom free testing was going to be available soon. | |||
"They must all live near to us then as sick to death of seeing them just carrying on as if this isn't real. Families coming and going on a daily basis along with total strangers and one even had a marquee and a party FFS. Don't worry about anyone else will you "It's a bit much I agree. My tolerance such as it was for the rule-breakers has completely gone I'm afraid. Perhaps they might be able to change their mind if you set light to their marquee or something equally dramatic .. :/ | |||
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"Lockdown does work....we should have followed new Zealand who locked everything down....and now there back open, crowds,clubs,bars everything, but they followed the rules...the 3rd Lockdown is a joke...ive seen no change in traffic or shopping...we will be in this mess longer then any other country because of the slow response from our government and the public Any evidence to suggest they do work? This country is a shining example that they don’t. Looking at America, state by state, lockdown vs no lockdowns also shows they don’t work. You then also need to factor in the negative impacts of lockdown, I know this government and the media don’t account for these things but they are actually very important. The cost of lockdown simply doesn’t equate to the benefits of it. " Evidence there work???? Yes new Zealand....Australia....what has the media got to do with it? Also you can't compare anything that happens in America...there were being led by Trump ffs.... | |||
"Lockdown does work....we should have followed new Zealand who locked everything down....and now there back open, crowds,clubs,bars everything, but they followed the rules...the 3rd Lockdown is a joke...ive seen no change in traffic or shopping...we will be in this mess longer then any other country because of the slow response from our government and the public Any evidence to suggest they do work? This country is a shining example that they don’t. Looking at America, state by state, lockdown vs no lockdowns also shows they don’t work. You then also need to factor in the negative impacts of lockdown, I know this government and the media don’t account for these things but they are actually very important. The cost of lockdown simply doesn’t equate to the benefits of it. Evidence there work???? Yes new Zealand....Australia....what has the media got to do with it? Also you can't compare anything that happens in America...there were being led by Trump ffs...." Orange Man Bad. Yes it may have worked for them, closed the borders early and nip it in the bud but it’s not worked for us has it?There are examples right throughout the world that these things have very little impact on the spread of the virus. The reason I mention the media is because they fail to report on the negative affects of locking down. That’s what it’s got to do with the media. If they had reported it properly people might not be so deluded and call for lockdowns so quickly. | |||
"Lockdown does work....we should have followed new Zealand who locked everything down....and now there back open, crowds,clubs,bars everything, but they followed the rules...the 3rd Lockdown is a joke...ive seen no change in traffic or shopping...we will be in this mess longer then any other country because of the slow response from our government and the public Any evidence to suggest they do work? This country is a shining example that they don’t. Looking at America, state by state, lockdown vs no lockdowns also shows they don’t work. You then also need to factor in the negative impacts of lockdown, I know this government and the media don’t account for these things but they are actually very important. The cost of lockdown simply doesn’t equate to the benefits of it. Evidence there work???? Yes new Zealand....Australia....what has the media got to do with it? Also you can't compare anything that happens in America...there were being led by Trump ffs.... Orange Man Bad. Yes it may have worked for them, closed the borders early and nip it in the bud but it’s not worked for us has it?There are examples right throughout the world that these things have very little impact on the spread of the virus. The reason I mention the media is because they fail to report on the negative affects of locking down. That’s what it’s got to do with the media. If they had reported it properly people might not be so deluded and call for lockdowns so quickly. " Not worked for us???? We didn't act quickly enough....stop blaming the media....I agree this government has ballsed this up but they do have the public interest....I personally think the furlough scheme has saved so many more lives then covid has taken | |||
"Lockdown does work....we should have followed new Zealand who locked everything down....and now there back open, crowds,clubs,bars everything, but they followed the rules...the 3rd Lockdown is a joke...ive seen no change in traffic or shopping...we will be in this mess longer then any other country because of the slow response from our government and the public Any evidence to suggest they do work? This country is a shining example that they don’t. Looking at America, state by state, lockdown vs no lockdowns also shows they don’t work. You then also need to factor in the negative impacts of lockdown, I know this government and the media don’t account for these things but they are actually very important. The cost of lockdown simply doesn’t equate to the benefits of it. Evidence there work???? Yes new Zealand....Australia....what has the media got to do with it? Also you can't compare anything that happens in America...there were being led by Trump ffs.... Orange Man Bad. Yes it may have worked for them, closed the borders early and nip it in the bud but it’s not worked for us has it?There are examples right throughout the world that these things have very little impact on the spread of the virus. The reason I mention the media is because they fail to report on the negative affects of locking down. That’s what it’s got to do with the media. If they had reported it properly people might not be so deluded and call for lockdowns so quickly. Not worked for us???? We didn't act quickly enough....stop blaming the media....I agree this government has ballsed this up but they do have the public interest....I personally think the furlough scheme has saved so many more lives then covid has taken" I’ll blame who I like and you can blame who you like, deal? Ok so we didn’t close the borders quick enough, that’s done now but we persist with lockdowns, even though they don’t work??? Seems silly to me. And Yes the furlough scheme is great, shame about all the people that fell through the cracks tho isn’t it? It’s also a shame this government has handed out crazy contracts to their mates, printing money like it’s going out of fashion. They are doing a fantastic job of making their pals richer and making the country, as a whole, poorer. | |||
"Lockdown does work....we should have followed new Zealand who locked everything down....and now there back open, crowds,clubs,bars everything, but they followed the rules...the 3rd Lockdown is a joke...ive seen no change in traffic or shopping...we will be in this mess longer then any other country because of the slow response from our government and the public Any evidence to suggest they do work? This country is a shining example that they don’t. Looking at America, state by state, lockdown vs no lockdowns also shows they don’t work. You then also need to factor in the negative impacts of lockdown, I know this government and the media don’t account for these things but they are actually very important. The cost of lockdown simply doesn’t equate to the benefits of it. Evidence there work???? Yes new Zealand....Australia....what has the media got to do with it? Also you can't compare anything that happens in America...there were being led by Trump ffs.... Orange Man Bad. Yes it may have worked for them, closed the borders early and nip it in the bud but it’s not worked for us has it?There are examples right throughout the world that these things have very little impact on the spread of the virus. The reason I mention the media is because they fail to report on the negative affects of locking down. That’s what it’s got to do with the media. If they had reported it properly people might not be so deluded and call for lockdowns so quickly. Not worked for us???? We didn't act quickly enough....stop blaming the media....I agree this government has ballsed this up but they do have the public interest....I personally think the furlough scheme has saved so many more lives then covid has taken I’ll blame who I like and you can blame who you like, deal? Ok so we didn’t close the borders quick enough, that’s done now but we persist with lockdowns, even though they don’t work??? Seems silly to me. And Yes the furlough scheme is great, shame about all the people that fell through the cracks tho isn’t it? It’s also a shame this government has handed out crazy contracts to their mates, printing money like it’s going out of fashion. They are doing a fantastic job of making their pals richer and making the country, as a whole, poorer. " Love the blame everyone else or Gov.uk. The only folk to blame really are those that won't do as they are advised to do. We may have been through this a lot sooner if they had. | |||
"Lockdown does work....we should have followed new Zealand who locked everything down....and now there back open, crowds,clubs,bars everything, but they followed the rules...the 3rd Lockdown is a joke...ive seen no change in traffic or shopping...we will be in this mess longer then any other country because of the slow response from our government and the public Any evidence to suggest they do work? This country is a shining example that they don’t. Looking at America, state by state, lockdown vs no lockdowns also shows they don’t work. You then also need to factor in the negative impacts of lockdown, I know this government and the media don’t account for these things but they are actually very important. The cost of lockdown simply doesn’t equate to the benefits of it. Evidence there work???? Yes new Zealand....Australia....what has the media got to do with it? Also you can't compare anything that happens in America...there were being led by Trump ffs.... Orange Man Bad. Yes it may have worked for them, closed the borders early and nip it in the bud but it’s not worked for us has it?There are examples right throughout the world that these things have very little impact on the spread of the virus. The reason I mention the media is because they fail to report on the negative affects of locking down. That’s what it’s got to do with the media. If they had reported it properly people might not be so deluded and call for lockdowns so quickly. Not worked for us???? We didn't act quickly enough....stop blaming the media....I agree this government has ballsed this up but they do have the public interest....I personally think the furlough scheme has saved so many more lives then covid has taken I’ll blame who I like and you can blame who you like, deal? Ok so we didn’t close the borders quick enough, that’s done now but we persist with lockdowns, even though they don’t work??? Seems silly to me. And Yes the furlough scheme is great, shame about all the people that fell through the cracks tho isn’t it? It’s also a shame this government has handed out crazy contracts to their mates, printing money like it’s going out of fashion. They are doing a fantastic job of making their pals richer and making the country, as a whole, poorer. Love the blame everyone else or Gov.uk. The only folk to blame really are those that won't do as they are advised to do. We may have been through this a lot sooner if they had." Hahaha. Crazy. So everyone that has caught Covid it’s there own fault for not following the rules? | |||
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"Just thought id throw an opinion in, it is easy to blame others for our own faults, people point the finger at the government because because they have their own agenda to do so, so does the media - no saying the government has done a great job but like to see anyone else do better. We are unique in Europe for many reasons. some facts England has one of the highest population densities in Europe, we have almost the similar population to France but is over 2 x size of the uk 435 people per sq km in England - in France 127 sq km. we are a hub country so we have a lot of international travel so Covid was always going to hit us hard. No body could have changed that. So to the point I live on south coast and the hundred of thousands who came down to the south coast and the beaches from high infection areas breaking rules not social distancing, the protests and the illegal gathering only exacerbated the situation, wasn't a minority we are where we are cos of the UKs unique demograph and large numbers thinking the rules don apply to them. The responsibility is with everyone and not just a government" agree - some is just down to circumstance , population density, demographics etc , being a key worker and not being able to stay away from people permanently some down to bad policy decisions like how and when to lockdown , sending people back to care homes when positive some down to people having total disregard for the rules and only bothering about their own immediate circumstances and risk people seem to be very much in one of the 3 camps with very few happy to concede we have a whole host of issues overlapping each other - some of which it is in nobodys goft to change (unless we start shipping folk abroad), some that the govt need to take responsibility for and some which we need to as individuals personally i think the media should be taking responsibility for getting that balanced message across instead of yelling at boris one day and finger pointing at the public the next then criticising heavy handed policing on day 3 and then a story about how the rules aren’t enforced day 4 ,our press is a shambles, i will never deny that ... but still entirely disagree that if they just stop writing about it then covid will go away ... out of sight out of mind maybe but a blank front page doesnt bring people back from the dead | |||
"Just thought id throw an opinion in, it is easy to blame others for our own faults, people point the finger at the government because because they have their own agenda to do so, so does the media - no saying the government has done a great job but like to see anyone else do better. We are unique in Europe for many reasons. some facts England has one of the highest population densities in Europe, we have almost the similar population to France but is over 2 x size of the uk 435 people per sq km in England - in France 127 sq km. we are a hub country so we have a lot of international travel so Covid was always going to hit us hard. No body could have changed that. So to the point I live on south coast and the hundred of thousands who came down to the south coast and the beaches from high infection areas breaking rules not social distancing, the protests and the illegal gathering only exacerbated the situation, wasn't a minority we are where we are cos of the UKs unique demograph and large numbers thinking the rules don apply to them. The responsibility is with everyone and not just a government" You switch between UK and England when quoting stats? In Europe both The Netherlands (508) and Belgium (383) have a higher density per sq km (ignoring the micro states like the Channel Islands) than UK (281) with Germany (240) not far behind. Only Belgium has higher proportional death rate. Worldwide the UK is way down on pop density but let’s pick out some interesting ones - South Korea (527) Israel (400) Japan (347) Vietnam (314). What do they all have in common? All of them have a lower proportional death rate than UK. You are correct about UK being a travel hub but that completely demonstrates the total inadequacy of the UK Govt response to Covid. Should have closed the bloody airports 9mths ago (or at least enforce quarantine). Without a doubt there are ppl breaking the rules or ignoring guidance or lacking any common sense. They are all idiots. There are many factors at play and we can blame the UK Gov and we can blame the minority of idiots (judging by my neighbourhood 8/10 ppl being sensible). | |||
"Just thought id throw an opinion in, it is easy to blame others for our own faults, people point the finger at the government because because they have their own agenda to do so, so does the media - no saying the government has done a great job but like to see anyone else do better. We are unique in Europe for many reasons. some facts England has one of the highest population densities in Europe, we have almost the similar population to France but is over 2 x size of the uk 435 people per sq km in England - in France 127 sq km. we are a hub country so we have a lot of international travel so Covid was always going to hit us hard. No body could have changed that. So to the point I live on south coast and the hundred of thousands who came down to the south coast and the beaches from high infection areas breaking rules not social distancing, the protests and the illegal gathering only exacerbated the situation, wasn't a minority we are where we are cos of the UKs unique demograph and large numbers thinking the rules don apply to them. The responsibility is with everyone and not just a government You switch between UK and England when quoting stats? In Europe both The Netherlands (508) and Belgium (383) have a higher density per sq km (ignoring the micro states like the Channel Islands) than UK (281) with Germany (240) not far behind. Only Belgium has higher proportional death rate. Worldwide the UK is way down on pop density but let’s pick out some interesting ones - South Korea (527) Israel (400) Japan (347) Vietnam (314). What do they all have in common? All of them have a lower proportional death rate than UK. You are correct about UK being a travel hub but that completely demonstrates the total inadequacy of the UK Govt response to Covid. Should have closed the bloody airports 9mths ago (or at least enforce quarantine). Without a doubt there are ppl breaking the rules or ignoring guidance or lacking any common sense. They are all idiots. There are many factors at play and we can blame the UK Gov and we can blame the minority of idiots (judging by my neighbourhood 8/10 ppl being sensible). " As devolved governments have authority over respective covid issues the stats being refered to here as regards the pop density should be seen as 4 countries with the English stat at 435 per sq km | |||
"Just thought id throw an opinion in, it is easy to blame others for our own faults, people point the finger at the government because because they have their own agenda to do so, so does the media - no saying the government has done a great job but like to see anyone else do better. We are unique in Europe for many reasons. some facts England has one of the highest population densities in Europe, we have almost the similar population to France but is over 2 x size of the uk 435 people per sq km in England - in France 127 sq km. we are a hub country so we have a lot of international travel so Covid was always going to hit us hard. No body could have changed that. So to the point I live on south coast and the hundred of thousands who came down to the south coast and the beaches from high infection areas breaking rules not social distancing, the protests and the illegal gathering only exacerbated the situation, wasn't a minority we are where we are cos of the UKs unique demograph and large numbers thinking the rules don apply to them. The responsibility is with everyone and not just a government You switch between UK and England when quoting stats? In Europe both The Netherlands (508) and Belgium (383) have a higher density per sq km (ignoring the micro states like the Channel Islands) than UK (281) with Germany (240) not far behind. Only Belgium has higher proportional death rate. Worldwide the UK is way down on pop density but let’s pick out some interesting ones - South Korea (527) Israel (400) Japan (347) Vietnam (314). What do they all have in common? All of them have a lower proportional death rate than UK. You are correct about UK being a travel hub but that completely demonstrates the total inadequacy of the UK Govt response to Covid. Should have closed the bloody airports 9mths ago (or at least enforce quarantine). Without a doubt there are ppl breaking the rules or ignoring guidance or lacking any common sense. They are all idiots. There are many factors at play and we can blame the UK Gov and we can blame the minority of idiots (judging by my neighbourhood 8/10 ppl being sensible). " UK and England were detailed in different contexts not switched, I refer to the UK being unique demography in Europe as it is an international hub and was destined to be hit hard even before the errors of judgment and people not taking responsibility and blaming others which have only compounded the situation. I refer to England as it has I high death rate because of the density in population specifically was going.....Scotland, N Ireland and Wales have much lower density populations which brings the UK average down not 'Englands' and on figures you specified puts "England" 2nd to highest density of population to only Netherlands and above all the other countries you mentioned which what I detailed in my post England not uk is one of the most densely populated countries in Europe yes UK has population density of 273 per sq km, England is 435 per sq km as per 2019 census was going to be hit hard for that reason alone QED | |||
"Lockdown does work....we should have followed new Zealand who locked everything down....and now there back open, crowds,clubs,bars everything, but they followed the rules...the 3rd Lockdown is a joke...ive seen no change in traffic or shopping...we will be in this mess longer then any other country because of the slow response from our government and the public Any evidence to suggest they do work? This country is a shining example that they don’t. Looking at America, state by state, lockdown vs no lockdowns also shows they don’t work. You then also need to factor in the negative impacts of lockdown, I know this government and the media don’t account for these things but they are actually very important. The cost of lockdown simply doesn’t equate to the benefits of it. Evidence there work???? Yes new Zealand....Australia....what has the media got to do with it? Also you can't compare anything that happens in America...there were being led by Trump ffs.... Orange Man Bad. Yes it may have worked for them, closed the borders early and nip it in the bud but it’s not worked for us has it?There are examples right throughout the world that these things have very little impact on the spread of the virus. The reason I mention the media is because they fail to report on the negative affects of locking down. That’s what it’s got to do with the media. If they had reported it properly people might not be so deluded and call for lockdowns so quickly. Not worked for us???? We didn't act quickly enough....stop blaming the media....I agree this government has ballsed this up but they do have the public interest....I personally think the furlough scheme has saved so many more lives then covid has taken I’ll blame who I like and you can blame who you like, deal? Ok so we didn’t close the borders quick enough, that’s done now but we persist with lockdowns, even though they don’t work??? Seems silly to me. And Yes the furlough scheme is great, shame about all the people that fell through the cracks tho isn’t it? It’s also a shame this government has handed out crazy contracts to their mates, printing money like it’s going out of fashion. They are doing a fantastic job of making their pals richer and making the country, as a whole, poorer. Love the blame everyone else or Gov.uk. The only folk to blame really are those that won't do as they are advised to do. We may have been through this a lot sooner if they had. Hahaha. Crazy. So everyone that has caught Covid it’s there own fault for not following the rules?" Have to say you make more sense here than most, there are far too many here that have strange beliefs and ideas. They obviously do not have to work away from home in different parts of the country and see for themselves the reality of peoples behaviour. | |||
"Lockdown does work....we should have followed new Zealand who locked everything down....and now there back open, crowds,clubs,bars everything, but they followed the rules...the 3rd Lockdown is a joke...ive seen no change in traffic or shopping...we will be in this mess longer then any other country because of the slow response from our government and the public Any evidence to suggest they do work? This country is a shining example that they don’t. Looking at America, state by state, lockdown vs no lockdowns also shows they don’t work. You then also need to factor in the negative impacts of lockdown, I know this government and the media don’t account for these things but they are actually very important. The cost of lockdown simply doesn’t equate to the benefits of it. Evidence there work???? Yes new Zealand....Australia....what has the media got to do with it? Also you can't compare anything that happens in America...there were being led by Trump ffs.... Orange Man Bad. Yes it may have worked for them, closed the borders early and nip it in the bud but it’s not worked for us has it?There are examples right throughout the world that these things have very little impact on the spread of the virus. The reason I mention the media is because they fail to report on the negative affects of locking down. That’s what it’s got to do with the media. If they had reported it properly people might not be so deluded and call for lockdowns so quickly. Not worked for us???? We didn't act quickly enough....stop blaming the media....I agree this government has ballsed this up but they do have the public interest....I personally think the furlough scheme has saved so many more lives then covid has taken I’ll blame who I like and you can blame who you like, deal? Ok so we didn’t close the borders quick enough, that’s done now but we persist with lockdowns, even though they don’t work??? Seems silly to me. And Yes the furlough scheme is great, shame about all the people that fell through the cracks tho isn’t it? It’s also a shame this government has handed out crazy contracts to their mates, printing money like it’s going out of fashion. They are doing a fantastic job of making their pals richer and making the country, as a whole, poorer. Love the blame everyone else or Gov.uk. The only folk to blame really are those that won't do as they are advised to do. We may have been through this a lot sooner if they had. Hahaha. Crazy. So everyone that has caught Covid it’s there own fault for not following the rules? Have to say you make more sense here than most, there are far too many here that have strange beliefs and ideas. They obviously do not have to work away from home in different parts of the country and see for themselves the reality of peoples behaviour." i think you missed the sarcasm jn his post ... hes of the school of thought the only people to blame are the govt and media and it wony matter what the people you can sed up and down the country are doing if we just stop reporting it | |||
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"Just thought id throw an opinion in, it is easy to blame others for our own faults, people point the finger at the government because because they have their own agenda to do so, so does the media - no saying the government has done a great job but like to see anyone else do better. We are unique in Europe for many reasons. some facts England has one of the highest population densities in Europe, we have almost the similar population to France but is over 2 x size of the uk 435 people per sq km in England - in France 127 sq km. we are a hub country so we have a lot of international travel so Covid was always going to hit us hard. No body could have changed that. So to the point I live on south coast and the hundred of thousands who came down to the south coast and the beaches from high infection areas breaking rules not social distancing, the protests and the illegal gathering only exacerbated the situation, wasn't a minority we are where we are cos of the UKs unique demograph and large numbers thinking the rules don apply to them. The responsibility is with everyone and not just a government You switch between UK and England when quoting stats? In Europe both The Netherlands (508) and Belgium (383) have a higher density per sq km (ignoring the micro states like the Channel Islands) than UK (281) with Germany (240) not far behind. Only Belgium has higher proportional death rate. Worldwide the UK is way down on pop density but let’s pick out some interesting ones - South Korea (527) Israel (400) Japan (347) Vietnam (314). What do they all have in common? All of them have a lower proportional death rate than UK. You are correct about UK being a travel hub but that completely demonstrates the total inadequacy of the UK Govt response to Covid. Should have closed the bloody airports 9mths ago (or at least enforce quarantine). Without a doubt there are ppl breaking the rules or ignoring guidance or lacking any common sense. They are all idiots. There are many factors at play and we can blame the UK Gov and we can blame the minority of idiots (judging by my neighbourhood 8/10 ppl being sensible). UK and England were detailed in different contexts not switched, I refer to the UK being unique demography in Europe as it is an international hub and was destined to be hit hard even before the errors of judgment and people not taking responsibility and blaming others which have only compounded the situation. I refer to England as it has I high death rate because of the density in population specifically was going.....Scotland, N Ireland and Wales have much lower density populations which brings the UK average down not 'Englands' and on figures you specified puts "England" 2nd to highest density of population to only Netherlands and above all the other countries you mentioned which what I detailed in my post England not uk is one of the most densely populated countries in Europe yes UK has population density of 273 per sq km, England is 435 per sq km as per 2019 census was going to be hit hard for that reason alone QED " Just to be clear you did switch context when you said... “some facts England has one of the highest population densities in Europe, we have almost the similar population to France but is over 2 x size of the uk 435 people per sq km in England - in France 127 sq km.” ie talk about France being 2 x size of UK then talk about pop density of England. However, I get what you are saying and agree on England having a high density. Another factor at play is population distribution. People per sq km hides this. You only have to look at distribution of deaths in huge countries like USA and Brazil to see the urban effect at play. Same applies to UK. Don’t have stats to hand but a significant proportion of population are city based (not sure if that maps to death and infection rate also?) We also know that demographics plays a part with Covid disproportionately impacting lower income groups due to prevalence of manual labour jobs and higher density housing. | |||
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"So many people are breaking the rules , where I work we have people 1) getting there hair cut from a man in a van 2) getting pissed in a local pub that is still open to a few 3) mixing households living with parents but stopping over at boyfriends etc 4) driving to wales to visit family 5) having birthday party with lots of different households involved That’s just what we have been told and we only have 30 staff , so it’s widespread rule breaking " I am shocked bet all this was said all so casually ... | |||
"Do people in other countries break the rules?" Yes of course they do but that doesn't make it OK, if they jumped of a cliff would you? The reason I chose France in the example as they are closest neighbour and close in population, cases and more like UK than they would like to admit. The point of the post was that politicians, opposition and media people in these forums are playing the blame game rather than reporting the whole truth and leading and encouraging individual responsibly, that there are factors no scientist or government could have controlled. There a many factors why the UK is suffering such high death rate and cases which would not change the situation. Countries like Germany, South East Asian, Korea all have a much more social consciousness and responsibility than UK, also places like Korea have had to deal with these kind of outbreaks before and were more prepared than rest if the world, that has helped to keep the numbers down also. Where as in the UK a lot of people are too busy blaming rather than taking responsibility and believing that rules don't apply to them. Then of course there are the psyco disbelievers that covid is not real. So everyone needs to stop blaming, take responsibility and understand the whole picture, and stop fecking with other peoples lives quite liberally | |||
"Do people in other countries break the rules? Yes of course they do but that doesn't make it OK, if they jumped of a cliff would you? The reason I chose France in the example as they are closest neighbour and close in population, cases and more like UK than they would like to admit. The point of the post was that politicians, opposition and media people in these forums are playing the blame game rather than reporting the whole truth and leading and encouraging individual responsibly, that there are factors no scientist or government could have controlled. There a many factors why the UK is suffering such high death rate and cases which would not change the situation. Countries like Germany, South East Asian, Korea all have a much more social consciousness and responsibility than UK, also places like Korea have had to deal with these kind of outbreaks before and were more prepared than rest if the world, that has helped to keep the numbers down also. Where as in the UK a lot of people are too busy blaming rather than taking responsibility and believing that rules don't apply to them. Then of course there are the psyco disbelievers that covid is not real. So everyone needs to stop blaming, take responsibility and understand the whole picture, and stop fecking with other peoples lives quite liberally " Agreed. We can and should still blame the UK Govt though. For the most part they have dithered and prevaricated then U-turned leaving confusion in their wake, especially for businesses, when they needed to be decisive and take likely unpopular decisions. It is no coincidence that three of the worst performing countries during this pandemic have been led by populist govt - UK, USA, Brazil. It isn’t all “their” fault but a lot is. The only times our govt has been decisive is when there is an opportunity to monetise the situation. No pause of u-turns then! | |||
"Lockdown does work....we should have followed new Zealand who locked everything down....and now there back open, crowds,clubs,bars everything, but they followed the rules...the 3rd Lockdown is a joke...ive seen no change in traffic or shopping...we will be in this mess longer then any other country because of the slow response from our government and the public Any evidence to suggest they do work? This country is a shining example that they don’t. Looking at America, state by state, lockdown vs no lockdowns also shows they don’t work. You then also need to factor in the negative impacts of lockdown, I know this government and the media don’t account for these things but they are actually very important. The cost of lockdown simply doesn’t equate to the benefits of it. Evidence there work???? Yes new Zealand....Australia....what has the media got to do with it? Also you can't compare anything that happens in America...there were being led by Trump ffs.... Orange Man Bad. Yes it may have worked for them, closed the borders early and nip it in the bud but it’s not worked for us has it?There are examples right throughout the world that these things have very little impact on the spread of the virus. The reason I mention the media is because they fail to report on the negative affects of locking down. That’s what it’s got to do with the media. If they had reported it properly people might not be so deluded and call for lockdowns so quickly. Not worked for us???? We didn't act quickly enough....stop blaming the media....I agree this government has ballsed this up but they do have the public interest....I personally think the furlough scheme has saved so many more lives then covid has taken I’ll blame who I like and you can blame who you like, deal? Ok so we didn’t close the borders quick enough, that’s done now but we persist with lockdowns, even though they don’t work??? Seems silly to me. And Yes the furlough scheme is great, shame about all the people that fell through the cracks tho isn’t it? It’s also a shame this government has handed out crazy contracts to their mates, printing money like it’s going out of fashion. They are doing a fantastic job of making their pals richer and making the country, as a whole, poorer. Love the blame everyone else or Gov.uk. The only folk to blame really are those that won't do as they are advised to do. We may have been through this a lot sooner if they had. Hahaha. Crazy. So everyone that has caught Covid it’s there own fault for not following the rules?" Says a poster from one of the worst areas for infection rates. Really | |||
"Do people in other countries break the rules? Yes of course they do but that doesn't make it OK, if they jumped of a cliff would you? The reason I chose France in the example as they are closest neighbour and close in population, cases and more like UK than they would like to admit. The point of the post was that politicians, opposition and media people in these forums are playing the blame game rather than reporting the whole truth and leading and encouraging individual responsibly, that there are factors no scientist or government could have controlled. There a many factors why the UK is suffering such high death rate and cases which would not change the situation. Countries like Germany, South East Asian, Korea all have a much more social consciousness and responsibility than UK, also places like Korea have had to deal with these kind of outbreaks before and were more prepared than rest if the world, that has helped to keep the numbers down also. Where as in the UK a lot of people are too busy blaming rather than taking responsibility and believing that rules don't apply to them. Then of course there are the psyco disbelievers that covid is not real. So everyone needs to stop blaming, take responsibility and understand the whole picture, and stop fecking with other peoples lives quite liberally Agreed. We can and should still blame the UK Govt though. For the most part they have dithered and prevaricated then U-turned leaving confusion in their wake, especially for businesses, when they needed to be decisive and take likely unpopular decisions. It is no coincidence that three of the worst performing countries during this pandemic have been led by populist govt - UK, USA, Brazil. It isn’t all “their” fault but a lot is. The only times our govt has been decisive is when there is an opportunity to monetise the situation. No pause of u-turns then!" Not defending the government's record on this or some of their actions but responsibility also falls on other politicians and parties, anti brexit vendetta mongers, media and a whole host of influences that have affected the government policies u turns etc. Politicising covid and underming government at every opportunity to gain political advantage rather pulling together to beat this have not helped. | |||
"Do people in other countries break the rules? Yes of course they do but that doesn't make it OK, if they jumped of a cliff would you? The reason I chose France in the example as they are closest neighbour and close in population, cases and more like UK than they would like to admit. The point of the post was that politicians, opposition and media people in these forums are playing the blame game rather than reporting the whole truth and leading and encouraging individual responsibly, that there are factors no scientist or government could have controlled. There a many factors why the UK is suffering such high death rate and cases which would not change the situation. Countries like Germany, South East Asian, Korea all have a much more social consciousness and responsibility than UK, also places like Korea have had to deal with these kind of outbreaks before and were more prepared than rest if the world, that has helped to keep the numbers down also. Where as in the UK a lot of people are too busy blaming rather than taking responsibility and believing that rules don't apply to them. Then of course there are the psyco disbelievers that covid is not real. So everyone needs to stop blaming, take responsibility and understand the whole picture, and stop fecking with other peoples lives quite liberally Agreed. We can and should still blame the UK Govt though. For the most part they have dithered and prevaricated then U-turned leaving confusion in their wake, especially for businesses, when they needed to be decisive and take likely unpopular decisions. It is no coincidence that three of the worst performing countries during this pandemic have been led by populist govt - UK, USA, Brazil. It isn’t all “their” fault but a lot is. The only times our govt has been decisive is when there is an opportunity to monetise the situation. No pause of u-turns then! Not defending the government's record on this or some of their actions but responsibility also falls on other politicians and parties, anti brexit vendetta mongers, media and a whole host of influences that have affected the government policies u turns etc. Politicising covid and underming government at every opportunity to gain political advantage rather pulling together to beat this have not helped." If they have done a u turn that normally means they have ballsed something up tbf. I'm not sure who has politicised it. | |||
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"In a state of national emergency the sensible non partisan thing to have done would be to form a coalition or at least a cross party task force to make all the Covid related decisions. " couldn’t agree with this more we should have the best and brightest for the job helping pull the country together through this no matter what party they are from instead we have a giant political football (and we appear to be playing dodgeball with it) | |||
"In a state of national emergency the sensible non partisan thing to have done would be to form a coalition or at least a cross party task force to make all the Covid related decisions. couldn’t agree with this more we should have the best and brightest for the job helping pull the country together through this no matter what party they are from instead we have a giant political football (and we appear to be playing dodgeball with it) " Ummm I think unless you’re a Boris hating commie they’re doing a pretty good job of it really, my view has improved even more now that Hancock has said we’ll have to live with it and that’ll be by Christmas | |||
"In a state of national emergency the sensible non partisan thing to have done would be to form a coalition or at least a cross party task force to make all the Covid related decisions. couldn’t agree with this more we should have the best and brightest for the job helping pull the country together through this no matter what party they are from instead we have a giant political football (and we appear to be playing dodgeball with it) Ummm I think unless you’re a Boris hating commie they’re doing a pretty good job of it really, my view has improved even more now that Hancock has said we’ll have to live with it and that’ll be by Christmas " ive never liked boris , but i’m not anti govt the way some are ... i am however very anti the way covid had been dealt with - i don’t mean individual policy decisions (there have been sone good some bad) - i mean the way our entire electoral body have dealt with it - government and opposition, national govt vs devolved, national govt vs local authority , a national emergency has been politicised so the govt feel they have to people please , the opposition feel they have to challenge even when its a stupid challenge (my brain is mush today to give specific example but things like Nicola Sturgeon saying this is our road map we will continue to visit it across the summer and move from each phase when it is safe , 10 seconds later someone asks can we have a date for phase 4 - well we cant give a date because we cant predict the fecking future) at every opportunity the different sections and levels of govt have used the pandemic as ways to play for power , probably all thinking to what gains them more votes in the next election , when they should have been sat round a table together working out a coherent strategy to keep people alive and people out of poverty | |||
"In a state of national emergency the sensible non partisan thing to have done would be to form a coalition or at least a cross party task force to make all the Covid related decisions. couldn’t agree with this more we should have the best and brightest for the job helping pull the country together through this no matter what party they are from instead we have a giant political football (and we appear to be playing dodgeball with it) Ummm I think unless you’re a Boris hating commie they’re doing a pretty good job of it really, my view has improved even more now that Hancock has said we’ll have to live with it and that’ll be by Christmas " What is a boris hating commie exactly? | |||
"In a state of national emergency the sensible non partisan thing to have done would be to form a coalition or at least a cross party task force to make all the Covid related decisions. couldn’t agree with this more we should have the best and brightest for the job helping pull the country together through this no matter what party they are from instead we have a giant political football (and we appear to be playing dodgeball with it) Ummm I think unless you’re a Boris hating commie they’re doing a pretty good job of it really, my view has improved even more now that Hancock has said we’ll have to live with it and that’ll be by Christmas " Can you explain how they are doing a pretty good job? | |||
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"I was going to stay out of this post but I have already contributed. So just to ad 2p worth. A minority is still a minority if if was 49% of the popularity - so yes you can still say only a minority broke the rules even if it was 26 million people. Living on the south coast we saw 100,000s people desend on the area and that was just us. It wasn't a small number As have been raised in other posts that detailing UK has experienced a large number of overlapping conditions that have all contributed to th current situation, the above being one of them Forums are supposed to among many things - discussion and informative. But there are those going round the forums with the same hate Boris rhetoric. Not interested in any other information. What ever his faults - and yes there are a fair few! He has, as I said in another post, only been in power for couple of months and this shit fell on his doorstep. He has actually implemented more socialist style policies in just over 12 months than labour did in 12 years, but nobody gives a shit cos all the focus is on what he has done wrong and not what he has done right - after all this not news and not political. The hate Boris flag wavers march on shouting the same rhetoric - I'm not a fan of Boris but I believe in giving people a reasonable chance, yes he and the government should be he held accountable for their mistakes but also the ones giving bad advice. But should also be acknowledged for their achievements, like a said nobody gives a crap about that. I defy anyone else to do any better in UK - don't start the oh so-and-so has, as been highlighted that 1 to 1 comparisons are meaningless for many different factors. " | |||
"I was going to stay out of this post but I have already contributed. So just to ad 2p worth. A minority is still a minority if if was 49% of the popularity - so yes you can still say only a minority broke the rules even if it was 26 million people. Living on the south coast we saw 100,000s people desend on the area and that was just us. It wasn't a small number As have been raised in other posts that detailing UK has experienced a large number of overlapping conditions that have all contributed to th current situation, the above being one of them Forums are supposed to among many things - discussion and informative. But there are those going round the forums with the same hate Boris rhetoric. Not interested in any other information. What ever his faults - and yes there are a fair few! He has, as I said in another post, only been in power for couple of months and this shit fell on his doorstep. He has actually implemented more socialist style policies in just over 12 months than labour did in 12 years, but nobody gives a shit cos all the focus is on what he has done wrong and not what he has done right - after all this not news and not political. The hate Boris flag wavers march on shouting the same rhetoric - I'm not a fan of Boris but I believe in giving people a reasonable chance, yes he and the government should be he held accountable for their mistakes but also the ones giving bad advice. But should also be acknowledged for their achievements, like a said nobody gives a crap about that. I defy anyone else to do any better in UK - don't start the oh so-and-so has, as been highlighted that 1 to 1 comparisons are meaningless for many different factors. " I do like the balance and intelligence you bring. But fear you are wasting your time in these fora for all the reasons you've stated. Some just can't see past their preprepared hate filled rhetoric. Good luck to you though fella. | |||
"Every single person breaks the ‘rules’. Can you honestly say, deep down you have never broken one of the ‘rules’? The government and media have done a great job of convincing people that it’s your neighbours fault for this debacle. Might that be because it distracts you from the shit show they are making of it? Stop blaming your neighbour and start looking at them.At the moment government is doing a good job has done this year" | |||
"I was going to stay out of this post but I have already contributed. So just to ad 2p worth. A minority is still a minority if if was 49% of the popularity - so yes you can still say only a minority broke the rules even if it was 26 million people. Living on the south coast we saw 100,000s people desend on the area and that was just us. It wasn't a small number As have been raised in other posts that detailing UK has experienced a large number of overlapping conditions that have all contributed to th current situation, the above being one of them Forums are supposed to among many things - discussion and informative. But there are those going round the forums with the same hate Boris rhetoric. Not interested in any other information. What ever his faults - and yes there are a fair few! He has, as I said in another post, only been in power for couple of months and this shit fell on his doorstep. He has actually implemented more socialist style policies in just over 12 months than labour did in 12 years, but nobody gives a shit cos all the focus is on what he has done wrong and not what he has done right - after all this not news and not political. The hate Boris flag wavers march on shouting the same rhetoric - I'm not a fan of Boris but I believe in giving people a reasonable chance, yes he and the government should be he held accountable for their mistakes but also the ones giving bad advice. But should also be acknowledged for their achievements, like a said nobody gives a crap about that. I defy anyone else to do any better in UK - don't start the oh so-and-so has, as been highlighted that 1 to 1 comparisons are meaningless for many different factors. " Bravo
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"I was going to stay out of this post but I have already contributed. So just to ad 2p worth. A minority is still a minority if if was 49% of the popularity - so yes you can still say only a minority broke the rules even if it was 26 million people. Living on the south coast we saw 100,000s people desend on the area and that was just us. It wasn't a small number As have been raised in other posts that detailing UK has experienced a large number of overlapping conditions that have all contributed to th current situation, the above being one of them Forums are supposed to among many things - discussion and informative. But there are those going round the forums with the same hate Boris rhetoric. Not interested in any other information. What ever his faults - and yes there are a fair few! He has, as I said in another post, only been in power for couple of months and this shit fell on his doorstep. He has actually implemented more socialist style policies in just over 12 months than labour did in 12 years, but nobody gives a shit cos all the focus is on what he has done wrong and not what he has done right - after all this not news and not political. The hate Boris flag wavers march on shouting the same rhetoric - I'm not a fan of Boris but I believe in giving people a reasonable chance, yes he and the government should be he held accountable for their mistakes but also the ones giving bad advice. But should also be acknowledged for their achievements, like a said nobody gives a crap about that. I defy anyone else to do any better in UK - don't start the oh so-and-so has, as been highlighted that 1 to 1 comparisons are meaningless for many different factors. " I suggest you look up the word socialist | |||
"I was going to stay out of this post but I have already contributed. So just to ad 2p worth. A minority is still a minority if if was 49% of the popularity - so yes you can still say only a minority broke the rules even if it was 26 million people. Living on the south coast we saw 100,000s people desend on the area and that was just us. It wasn't a small number As have been raised in other posts that detailing UK has experienced a large number of overlapping conditions that have all contributed to th current situation, the above being one of them Forums are supposed to among many things - discussion and informative. But there are those going round the forums with the same hate Boris rhetoric. Not interested in any other information. What ever his faults - and yes there are a fair few! He has, as I said in another post, only been in power for couple of months and this shit fell on his doorstep. He has actually implemented more socialist style policies in just over 12 months than labour did in 12 years, but nobody gives a shit cos all the focus is on what he has done wrong and not what he has done right - after all this not news and not political. The hate Boris flag wavers march on shouting the same rhetoric - I'm not a fan of Boris but I believe in giving people a reasonable chance, yes he and the government should be he held accountable for their mistakes but also the ones giving bad advice. But should also be acknowledged for their achievements, like a said nobody gives a crap about that. I defy anyone else to do any better in UK - don't start the oh so-and-so has, as been highlighted that 1 to 1 comparisons are meaningless for many different factors. " Who has given bad advice? | |||
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"A question for all those who are defending this govt and Boris: Q. Do you support the awarding of unscrutinised contracts to businesses with no relevant track record or specialist knowledge purely on the basis that the people running them are either known to MPs or Ministers and/or have made significant donations to either the Conservative Party or individuals within the party? Background: Govt established a VIP route that provided at least a 1 in 10 chance of successful contract award vs the non VIP route with at best 1 in 100 PLUS evidence that British businesses that DID have track record and specialist knowledge were ignored and denied contracts. One example - Matt Hancocks friend and neighbour awarded £30m contract to supply test tubes. He is a publican." It was higher than 1 in 10 50%of the contracts were given to companies with links to the gmnt. | |||
"A question for all those who are defending this govt and Boris: Q. Do you support the awarding of unscrutinised contracts to businesses with no relevant track record or specialist knowledge purely on the basis that the people running them are either known to MPs or Ministers and/or have made significant donations to either the Conservative Party or individuals within the party? Background: Govt established a VIP route that provided at least a 1 in 10 chance of successful contract award vs the non VIP route with at best 1 in 100 PLUS evidence that British businesses that DID have track record and specialist knowledge were ignored and denied contracts. One example - Matt Hancocks friend and neighbour awarded £30m contract to supply test tubes. He is a publican." Yeah clearly that's fine what you say above. Life is black and white. I either fully 100% support people or they are 100% evil. There is no grey. | |||
"A question for all those who are defending this govt and Boris: Q. Do you support the awarding of unscrutinised contracts to businesses with no relevant track record or specialist knowledge purely on the basis that the people running them are either known to MPs or Ministers and/or have made significant donations to either the Conservative Party or individuals within the party? Background: Govt established a VIP route that provided at least a 1 in 10 chance of successful contract award vs the non VIP route with at best 1 in 100 PLUS evidence that British businesses that DID have track record and specialist knowledge were ignored and denied contracts. One example - Matt Hancocks friend and neighbour awarded £30m contract to supply test tubes. He is a publican. Yeah clearly that's fine what you say above. Life is black and white. I either fully 100% support people or they are 100% evil. There is no grey. " agreed! ive lost count of the times i’ve explained that acknowledging that people fannying around breaking the rules is dragging this out doesn’t absolve the govt of the bad decisions they have made ... but apparently it makes me a blind government loving sheep blindly following the media spin to distract me from their evilness | |||
"A question for all those who are defending this govt and Boris: Q. Do you support the awarding of unscrutinised contracts to businesses with no relevant track record or specialist knowledge purely on the basis that the people running them are either known to MPs or Ministers and/or have made significant donations to either the Conservative Party or individuals within the party? Background: Govt established a VIP route that provided at least a 1 in 10 chance of successful contract award vs the non VIP route with at best 1 in 100 PLUS evidence that British businesses that DID have track record and specialist knowledge were ignored and denied contracts. One example - Matt Hancocks friend and neighbour awarded £30m contract to supply test tubes. He is a publican. Yeah clearly that's fine what you say above. Life is black and white. I either fully 100% support people or they are 100% evil. There is no grey. " Except my question does not say that. It was a specific point. Totally agree it is not black or white but it is helpful to break things down into specific points. So good we have established that you DO NOT SUPPORT BJ & Govt regarding corrupt procurement. Next question: Q. Do you think keeping the airports open with no enforced quarantine in place for almost 10mths (despite mutations) was an acceptable approach? | |||
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"Hmmm all those vocal supporters have gone a bit bashful?" When you are talking to a brick wall and people who are only interested in reciting government hate propaganda and cherry picked anti government data you walk away, sorry life is to short simples  | |||
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"Hmmm all those vocal supporters have gone a bit bashful?" who are the vocal supporters? ive barely seen anyone claim the govt did a great job ... it doesnt detract from the fact that many of the general population have also been utter shite at doing their part | |||
"Hmmm all those vocal supporters have gone a bit bashful? who are the vocal supporters? ive barely seen anyone claim the govt did a great job ... it doesnt detract from the fact that many of the general population have also been utter shite at doing their part " Totally agree your last point. Many ppl in UK have indeed been utter shite and they are indeed PART of the problem. | |||
"Hmmm all those vocal supporters have gone a bit bashful? When you are talking to a brick wall and people who are only interested in reciting government hate propaganda and cherry picked anti government data you walk away, sorry life is to short simples "So how exactly are the two (so far) specific questions I asked “government hate propaganda”? How about answering them? 1. Unscrutinised govt procurement. 2. Not closing airports or enforced quarantine | |||
"Hmmm all those vocal supporters have gone a bit bashful? who are the vocal supporters? ive barely seen anyone claim the govt did a great job ... it doesnt detract from the fact that many of the general population have also been utter shite at doing their part Totally agree your last point. Many ppl in UK have indeed been utter shite and they are indeed PART of the problem." well that part that you shree with was the entire point of the thread but like many others it became a government bashing opportunity as though it can only be one or other | |||
"Hmmm all those vocal supporters have gone a bit bashful? When you are talking to a brick wall and people who are only interested in reciting government hate propaganda and cherry picked anti government data you walk away, sorry life is to short simples
So how exactly are the two (so far) specific questions I asked “government hate propaganda”?
How about answering them?
1. Unscrutinised govt procurement.
2. Not closing airports or enforced quarantine"how are either questions in any way related to the OP? perhaps open a thread about government failures to ask about just that | |||
"Hmmm all those vocal supporters have gone a bit bashful? who are the vocal supporters? ive barely seen anyone claim the govt did a great job ... it doesnt detract from the fact that many of the general population have also been utter shite at doing their part Totally agree your last point. Many ppl in UK have indeed been utter shite and they are indeed PART of the problem. well that part that you shree with was the entire point of the thread but like many others it became a government bashing opportunity as though it can only be one or other " *agree | |||
"Hmmm all those vocal supporters have gone a bit bashful? When you are talking to a brick wall and people who are only interested in reciting government hate propaganda and cherry picked anti government data you walk away, sorry life is to short simples
So how exactly are the two (so far) specific questions I asked “government hate propaganda”?
How about answering them?
1. Unscrutinised govt procurement.
2. Not closing airports or enforced quarantine
how are either questions in any way related to the OP? perhaps open a thread about government failures to ask about just that "That is fair but then look at the ebb and flow of all the responses and the direction started changing. I simply responded to that with some specific questions to try and understand why there was a growing affront to criticising the Govt and Boris for their part. | |||
"Hmmm all those vocal supporters have gone a bit bashful? who are the vocal supporters? ive barely seen anyone claim the govt did a great job ... it doesnt detract from the fact that many of the general population have also been utter shite at doing their part " Tbf a post earlier said if you dont think they have done a spiffing job you are a boris hating commie. I asked for clarification on what that is exactly buy sadly no explanation has been forthcoming. | |||
"Hmmm all those vocal supporters have gone a bit bashful? who are the vocal supporters? ive barely seen anyone claim the govt did a great job ... it doesnt detract from the fact that many of the general population have also been utter shite at doing their part Tbf a post earlier said if you dont think they have done a spiffing job you are a boris hating commie. I asked for clarification on what that is exactly buy sadly no explanation has been forthcoming." | |||
"Hmmm all those vocal supporters have gone a bit bashful? who are the vocal supporters? ive barely seen anyone claim the govt did a great job ... it doesnt detract from the fact that many of the general population have also been utter shite at doing their part " I think one of the issues is we simply dont know how many people are flouting the rules. Without a doubt there are a number of people who are simply not doing what they are told. Whilst on The other hand,and I realise this is anecdotal, even before the mask enforcement thing came in,personally it was unusual to see someone not wearing one. Similarly with social distancing. Personally I'd say the vast majority were following the rules,with a minority just doing what they want. However in recent weeks there has been a growing narrative that it is just the people fault,people spread the virus not the gmnt. Considering the gmnt have made decisions which have led to people dying,this is utter nonsense and is just an attempt to shift accountability. | |||
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"my anecdotal experience is the entire opposite of yours ... yes i see plenty of people wearing masks in public but its the people that i know are meeting up in private that have me believing its far from a small minority with no regard for the rules i would be one of the people thats said on threads that people move the virus not the government and i stand by that but to clarify it i dont mean the government have no blame there have been multiple terrible policy decisions , others that have come too late or not been strict enough , there is plenty blood on the governments hands and the care home debacle is a shining example but the black and white facts is someone sat in parliament writing a rule, deciding what is local and wether people should stay in a hotel quarantine of home quarantine cannot not move the virus from person to person , only people moving about and interacting can do that - we know what we have to do , its not new information , stay at home and away from anyone outside your household wherever possible now i also know that there is a level of interacting we can never get rid of , we need to shop for food or have it delivered, it has to be produced, people need medical care , there are multiple reasons why people might NEED to leave their home so i am also not suggesting that anyone who gets ill had only their self to blame - i dont believe that at all but at the moment the rules are lockdown , the majority of us should be at home and only at home , and yet we hear examples like 7000 hone parties were broken up by police in scotland ... there is no ambiguity on that rule, we cant blame anyone but the people involved for that type of behaviour , this is exactly an example of people moving the virus about and the government policy of lockdown has been in place for quite some time and number of cases hasn’t been dropping fast enough to suggest the level of compliance is where it should be which is probably why at the moment the thought of its peoples fault is growing because at the moment they myst be mostly to blame again i dont think that means at other times over the last year the balance wasnt more towards government cock ups or that we dont have the potential for it to swing back that way when restrictions start easing again if its not done sensibly ... plenty opportunity for the govt still to fuck up in new ways ... i just think at the moment they told us to stay home and if we choose to ignore that it and community transmission continues it cannot be their fault " That's why it's so hard to judge.because a lot of it is anecdotal. Again personally speaking the roads in the day are quiet and at night very few people are walking around. Like I said however there is little doubt a number people are breaking the rules But if you look a the highest places of infection ,last time I looked it was schools,shops then workplaces...with schools being way out in front. Said it before once this is all over ,there needs to be a full independent inquiry into how this was handled from day 1. However going on past examples,I dont have much faith. | |||
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"Run out of reasoned arguments then? Oh the irony" It was a question... | |||
"sorry ive not quoted cause its gotten really long how long ago did you look at the highest places of transmission for the result to be shops and schools because the majority of them have been closed for at least 8 weeks ... with an average incubation time of less than 14 days we cant still be looking at cases picked up in places that closed 8 weeks ago " It was a little while ago now.. I think schools were the big drivers..inevitably so. | |||
"The way i see it from people’s behaviour atm, there is no lockdown, Only shut pubs / restaurants, some shops and you can go to a gym or get haircut. My travels with work and my area show this" Gyms are shut. | |||
"The way i see it from people’s behaviour atm, there is no lockdown, Only shut pubs / restaurants, some shops and you can go to a gym or get haircut. My travels with work and my area show this Gyms are shut." Sorry was meant to say can’t | |||
"Enough breaking rules on here n fabguys....nothing done about them rlol" It is a sex dating site at the end of the day and they are here to make money. Many are not meeting many are not thats life I guess | |||
"I think if the truth is known there have been more than a tiny majority of people breaking the rules in one way or other ,maybe not having big parties or raves but meeting others when they are not supposed to." Yup and a lot of them Government ministers themselves | |||
