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A mountain rescue volunteer in the Lake District is in hospital with life changing injuries.
He had been part of a team who went out to attend to 2 men who needed help. Those men were wild camping and had travelled from Leicester.
The men got fined £200 each for breaking lockdown restrictions. It's a joke. I hope they are filled with guilt.
They shouldn't of been in the area, let alone doing an activity that is risky and puts others in danger.
Selfish and ignorant. |
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Meh, these things happen, mountain rescue is inherently dangerous at the best of times. Yes the should not have been there this time, but these things happen even when there is no lockdown. People will get injured doing dangerous things ... |
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By *ornLordMan
over a year ago
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"Meh, these things happen, mountain rescue is inherently dangerous at the best of times. Yes the should not have been there this time, but these things happen even when there is no lockdown. People will get injured doing dangerous things ... "
They should not have been there, full stop. And a couple of hundred miles from home? Must need their eyes testing. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Whilst I agree that they shouldn't have been up the mountain, I disagree that they should be named and shamed. They probably deeply regret going there.
It's very sad that a mountain rescuer has been badly hurt.
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The rescue services rarely openly criticise the people they rescue. The lifeboat crew here got into severe difficulties after they launched for a guy who had gone into seas that nobody should have been on. They said afterwards that is what they are there for.
The guy meanwhile receives death threats on social media. |
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"A mountain rescue volunteer in the Lake District is in hospital with life changing injuries.
He had been part of a team who went out to attend to 2 men who needed help. Those men were wild camping and had travelled from Leicester.
The men got fined £200 each for breaking lockdown restrictions. It's a joke. I hope they are filled with guilt.
They shouldn't of been in the area, let alone doing an activity that is risky and puts others in danger.
Selfish and ignorant."
One from Leicester
One from Liverpool
Name them both .
Their actions have caused someone who wanted to help them to be injured.
Unforgivable stupidity! |
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"4 weeks in jail like the isle of man
And to all subsequent rule breakers. The injury to the rescuer is very very unfortunate but not really relevant to their breaking of the rules. "
Of course its relevant.
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
You could excuse their stupidity for camping on a mountainside in these conditions, but even now, after nearly a year, they still don't understand the instruction of "stay at home".
If they can't understand that very simple instruction, then what right do they have, in thinking that the emergency services will turn out for them when things go wrong? |
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"4 weeks in jail like the isle of man
And to all subsequent rule breakers. The injury to the rescuer is very very unfortunate but not really relevant to their breaking of the rules.
Of course its relevant.
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So if we weren't in covid times anyone requiring mountain rescue services should be banged up? |
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"4 weeks in jail like the isle of man
And to all subsequent rule breakers. The injury to the rescuer is very very unfortunate but not really relevant to their breaking of the rules.
Of course its relevant.
So if we weren't in covid times anyone requiring mountain rescue services should be banged up? "
The injury sustained by the rescuer was unnecessary, stay at home means no travel so is relevant to their rule break. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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im an experienced walker who has given money to mountain rescue tins more or less every visit... for years
the coffers of the countryside will be empty in a few months time and people will be begged to come back walk on to put in... strange times
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It’s ridiculous that people think it’s ok to do these things. It’s a real shame about the rescuer. I suppose it’s part and parcel of volunteering for that job, but it just get your goat to have your life changed because you had to go rescue these selfish dickheads who shouldn’t have been there in the first place.
I live on the edge of somewhere quite pretty, and normally if I walk down by the river (which is at the end of my street) I don’t see anyone, it’s dead quiet . As soon as the lockdowns were announced it was full of people. Cars parked at all the entrances to the paths etc. Pissed me right off. It meant I couldn’t easily go for a safe walk from my doorstep. The path isn’t 2m wide so no easy social distancing, there’s rubbish everywhere from picnics. This isn’t exercising, it’s people going for and outing away from where they live and affecting the people who actually live there. |
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"im an experienced walker who has given money to mountain rescue tins more or less every visit... for years
the coffers of the countryside will be empty in a few months time and people will be begged to come back walk on to put in... strange times
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Yes we should support these communities and charities but only when it is safe to do so and we are not potentially putting others lives at risk for our own adventures. Yes of course there there is a risk With the type of activities being discussed at any time however right now all services are stretched. |
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By *andy 1Couple
over a year ago
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"Meh, these things happen, mountain rescue is inherently dangerous at the best of times. Yes the should not have been there this time, but these things happen even when there is no lockdown. People will get injured doing dangerous things ... "
but it shouldn't of happened because the pair of idiots should notof been there
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Reports of mountain rescue being called out to help walkers and climbers who have ventured out in inclement weather conditions, often without proper equipment etc. is not unusual during the winter months.
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Two separate issues here.
COVID restrictions - Theyre clearly in breach & should suffer the consequences for that (I suspect that will include massive guilt for the poor mrt guy)
MRT injury - that unfortunately is part and parcel of the role these heroesttake on. They know that and do it anyway.
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Am sorry but yes I think they shld I love walking in the lakes and a bit of wild camping, the two individuals have put people lives at stake in a pandemic when in lockdown, I wld love to go walking but we cant. |
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"It’s ridiculous that people think it’s ok to do these things. It’s a real shame about the rescuer. I suppose it’s part and parcel of volunteering for that job, but it just get your goat to have your life changed because you had to go rescue these selfish dickheads who shouldn’t have been there in the first place.
I live on the edge of somewhere quite pretty, and normally if I walk down by the river (which is at the end of my street) I don’t see anyone, it’s dead quiet . As soon as the lockdowns were announced it was full of people. Cars parked at all the entrances to the paths etc. Pissed me right off. It meant I couldn’t easily go for a safe walk from my doorstep. The path isn’t 2m wide so no easy social distancing, there’s rubbish everywhere from picnics. This isn’t exercising, it’s people going for and outing away from where they live and affecting the people who actually live there. "
Selfish dick heads does jump out there... Oh the irony |
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In the capitalist meritocracy that we all work so hard to perpetuate, it is right and proper that the countryside should only be enjoyed by those who are fortunate enough to live within walking distance of it. Better still, if they got there through an accident of birth.
All the other sad losers should stay where they rightfully belong, following their poor lifestyle choices.
Britain will be in severe danger of becoming great (small 'g' intentional) again if its sons and daughters start going out of doors in bad weather to test their own mettle.
(Notwithstanding,Covid 19 restrictions may apply and emergency services are duty bound to try and save lives regardless of the status or intelligence of those finding themselves in peril) |
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"In the capitalist meritocracy that we all work so hard to perpetuate, it is right and proper that the countryside should only be enjoyed by those who are fortunate enough to live within walking distance of it. Better still, if they got there through an accident of birth.
All the other sad losers should stay where they rightfully belong, following their poor lifestyle choices.
Britain will be in severe danger of becoming great (small 'g' intentional) again if its sons and daughters start going out of doors in bad weather to test their own mettle.
(Notwithstanding,Covid 19 restrictions may apply and emergency services are duty bound to try and save lives regardless of the status or intelligence of those finding themselves in peril)"
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"It’s ridiculous that people think it’s ok to do these things. It’s a real shame about the rescuer. I suppose it’s part and parcel of volunteering for that job, but it just get your goat to have your life changed because you had to go rescue these selfish dickheads who shouldn’t have been there in the first place.
I live on the edge of somewhere quite pretty, and normally if I walk down by the river (which is at the end of my street) I don’t see anyone, it’s dead quiet . As soon as the lockdowns were announced it was full of people. Cars parked at all the entrances to the paths etc. Pissed me right off. It meant I couldn’t easily go for a safe walk from my doorstep. The path isn’t 2m wide so no easy social distancing, there’s rubbish everywhere from picnics. This isn’t exercising, it’s people going for and outing away from where they live and affecting the people who actually live there. "
if you lived in the middle of a grey city or town can you honestly say you wouldn't do the same? i don't drive so ironically would find it difficult to get to remote places... im missing StBees head in last August where the hotel and pub owners were so happy to see us. peace, love and understanding
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"Two separate issues here.
COVID restrictions - Theyre clearly in breach & should suffer the consequences for that (I suspect that will include massive guilt for the poor mrt guy)
MRT injury - that unfortunately is part and parcel of the role these heroesttake on. They know that and do it anyway.
I for one wish him a good & speedy recovery "
In agreement with you here, 2 issues. No, they shouldn't have been there at this time but rescue situations are routine and why there's such a service in first place. Main issue is people's stupidity in not reading the conditions properly and being poorly prepared to take on such an activity. |
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In fairness the vast majority of MRT call outs are to assist people who are failing to adhere to advice and guidance.
They may be in breech of covid restrictions but they are almost certainly disregarding weather conditions and the amount of knowledge/equipment required for winter walking/climbing.
The later is the worst in fairness. |
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"In fairness the vast majority of MRT call outs are to assist people who are failing to adhere to advice and guidance.
They may be in breech of covid restrictions but they are almost certainly disregarding weather conditions and the amount of knowledge/equipment required for winter walking/climbing.
The later is the worst in fairness. "
Striding Edge in winter wearing a pair of Converse All Stars and a festival poncho  rfol |
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"Two separate issues here.
COVID restrictions - Theyre clearly in breach & should suffer the consequences for that (I suspect that will include massive guilt for the poor mrt guy)
MRT injury - that unfortunately is part and parcel of the role these heroesttake on. They know that and do it anyway.
I for one wish him a good & speedy recovery "
Totally with you and you're right there are 2 issues. The fact that they shouldn't of been there is our main grudge. The mountain rescue people are fantastic and we really admire them. They turn out in all conditions without question.
But for them to have to risk themselves for people who have blatantly and unnecessarily broken the rules is disgusting. Yes the countryside is there for everyone to enjoy, but not 200 miles away from home. The countryside will still be there when all this is over. It's all about obeying the rules. |
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By *usybee73Man
over a year ago
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It really annoys me when this occurs, I'm an experienced camper/outdoors and would never go out in the British winter as weather can change so quickly.
Hope the rescue guy makes a speedy recovery.
Wonder if he could take them to civil court for compensation |
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"Two separate issues here.
COVID restrictions - Theyre clearly in breach & should suffer the consequences for that (I suspect that will include massive guilt for the poor mrt guy)
MRT injury - that unfortunately is part and parcel of the role these heroesttake on. They know that and do it anyway.
I for one wish him a good & speedy recovery
Totally with you and you're right there are 2 issues. The fact that they shouldn't of been there is our main grudge. The mountain rescue people are fantastic and we really admire them. They turn out in all conditions without question.
But for them to have to risk themselves for people who have blatantly and unnecessarily broken the rules is disgusting. Yes the countryside is there for everyone to enjoy, but not 200 miles away from home. The countryside will still be there when all this is over. It's all about obeying the rules. "
I don't disagree, but just for discussion... If it was two poorly equipped novices from local area who had needed rescuing and the mrt had been injured in the same way, the consensus seems to be that would be OK? |
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"Two separate issues here.
COVID restrictions - Theyre clearly in breach & should suffer the consequences for that (I suspect that will include massive guilt for the poor mrt guy)
MRT injury - that unfortunately is part and parcel of the role these heroesttake on. They know that and do it anyway.
I for one wish him a good & speedy recovery
Totally with you and you're right there are 2 issues. The fact that they shouldn't of been there is our main grudge. The mountain rescue people are fantastic and we really admire them. They turn out in all conditions without question.
But for them to have to risk themselves for people who have blatantly and unnecessarily broken the rules is disgusting. Yes the countryside is there for everyone to enjoy, but not 200 miles away from home. The countryside will still be there when all this is over. It's all about obeying the rules. "
I totally agree, however I'm also a volunteer for one of the emergency services. I know the risks involved and what could happen in the event that I'm called out.
Regardless of the situation, its not my position to question why the scenario occurred, but to find a safe solution for all those involved, with ultimately no loss of life.
The mountain rescue team know exactly what the risks are.
A massive thumbs up to gentleman injured and the team involved in the rescue.
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"Two separate issues here.
COVID restrictions - Theyre clearly in breach & should suffer the consequences for that (I suspect that will include massive guilt for the poor mrt guy)
MRT injury - that unfortunately is part and parcel of the role these heroesttake on. They know that and do it anyway.
I for one wish him a good & speedy recovery
Totally with you and you're right there are 2 issues. The fact that they shouldn't of been there is our main grudge. The mountain rescue people are fantastic and we really admire them. They turn out in all conditions without question.
But for them to have to risk themselves for people who have blatantly and unnecessarily broken the rules is disgusting. Yes the countryside is there for everyone to enjoy, but not 200 miles away from home. The countryside will still be there when all this is over. It's all about obeying the rules.
I totally agree, however I'm also a volunteer for one of the emergency services. I know the risks involved and what could happen in the event that I'm called out.
Regardless of the situation, its not my position to question why the scenario occurred, but to find a safe solution for all those involved, with ultimately no loss of life.
The mountain rescue team know exactly what the risks are.
A massive thumbs up to gentleman injured and the team involved in the rescue.
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Good volunteering feller |
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"Two separate issues here.
COVID restrictions - Theyre clearly in breach & should suffer the consequences for that (I suspect that will include massive guilt for the poor mrt guy)
MRT injury - that unfortunately is part and parcel of the role these heroesttake on. They know that and do it anyway.
I for one wish him a good & speedy recovery
Totally with you and you're right there are 2 issues. The fact that they shouldn't of been there is our main grudge. The mountain rescue people are fantastic and we really admire them. They turn out in all conditions without question.
But for them to have to risk themselves for people who have blatantly and unnecessarily broken the rules is disgusting. Yes the countryside is there for everyone to enjoy, but not 200 miles away from home. The countryside will still be there when all this is over. It's all about obeying the rules.
I don't disagree, but just for discussion... If it was two poorly equipped novices from local area who had needed rescuing and the mrt had been injured in the same way, the consensus seems to be that would be OK? "
important question |
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"It’s ridiculous that people think it’s ok to do these things. It’s a real shame about the rescuer. I suppose it’s part and parcel of volunteering for that job, but it just get your goat to have your life changed because you had to go rescue these selfish dickheads who shouldn’t have been there in the first place.
I live on the edge of somewhere quite pretty, and normally if I walk down by the river (which is at the end of my street) I don’t see anyone, it’s dead quiet . As soon as the lockdowns were announced it was full of people. Cars parked at all the entrances to the paths etc. Pissed me right off. It meant I couldn’t easily go for a safe walk from my doorstep. The path isn’t 2m wide so no easy social distancing, there’s rubbish everywhere from picnics. This isn’t exercising, it’s people going for and outing away from where they live and affecting the people who actually live there.
if you lived in the middle of a grey city or town can you honestly say you wouldn't do the same? i don't drive so ironically would find it difficult to get to remote places... im missing StBees head in last August where the hotel and pub owners were so happy to see us. peace, love and understanding
d"
No I wouldn’t. You’re meant to stay in your local area and only go out for exercise. Outings to nicer places aren’t part of that. First lockdown it meant I didn’t go out at all most of the time because I’d have had to drive to find somewhere to avoid the people. |
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"Two separate issues here.
COVID restrictions - Theyre clearly in breach & should suffer the consequences for that (I suspect that will include massive guilt for the poor mrt guy)
MRT injury - that unfortunately is part and parcel of the role these heroesttake on. They know that and do it anyway.
I for one wish him a good & speedy recovery
Totally with you and you're right there are 2 issues. The fact that they shouldn't of been there is our main grudge. The mountain rescue people are fantastic and we really admire them. They turn out in all conditions without question.
But for them to have to risk themselves for people who have blatantly and unnecessarily broken the rules is disgusting. Yes the countryside is there for everyone to enjoy, but not 200 miles away from home. The countryside will still be there when all this is over. It's all about obeying the rules.
I totally agree, however I'm also a volunteer for one of the emergency services. I know the risks involved and what could happen in the event that I'm called out.
Regardless of the situation, its not my position to question why the scenario occurred, but to find a safe solution for all those involved, with ultimately no loss of life.
The mountain rescue team know exactly what the risks are.
A massive thumbs up to gentleman injured and the team involved in the rescue.
Good volunteering feller"
Thank you.
Always looking for more volunteers
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"It’s ridiculous that people think it’s ok to do these things. It’s a real shame about the rescuer. I suppose it’s part and parcel of volunteering for that job, but it just get your goat to have your life changed because you had to go rescue these selfish dickheads who shouldn’t have been there in the first place.
I live on the edge of somewhere quite pretty, and normally if I walk down by the river (which is at the end of my street) I don’t see anyone, it’s dead quiet . As soon as the lockdowns were announced it was full of people. Cars parked at all the entrances to the paths etc. Pissed me right off. It meant I couldn’t easily go for a safe walk from my doorstep. The path isn’t 2m wide so no easy social distancing, there’s rubbish everywhere from picnics. This isn’t exercising, it’s people going for and outing away from where they live and affecting the people who actually live there.
if you lived in the middle of a grey city or town can you honestly say you wouldn't do the same? i don't drive so ironically would find it difficult to get to remote places... im missing StBees head in last August where the hotel and pub owners were so happy to see us. peace, love and understanding
d
No I wouldn’t. You’re meant to stay in your local area and only go out for exercise. Outings to nicer places aren’t part of that. First lockdown it meant I didn’t go out at all most of the time because I’d have had to drive to find somewhere to avoid the people. "
Oh no that's terrible... Unlike people who live in cities. |
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"It’s ridiculous that people think it’s ok to do these things. It’s a real shame about the rescuer. I suppose it’s part and parcel of volunteering for that job, but it just get your goat to have your life changed because you had to go rescue these selfish dickheads who shouldn’t have been there in the first place.
I live on the edge of somewhere quite pretty, and normally if I walk down by the river (which is at the end of my street) I don’t see anyone, it’s dead quiet . As soon as the lockdowns were announced it was full of people. Cars parked at all the entrances to the paths etc. Pissed me right off. It meant I couldn’t easily go for a safe walk from my doorstep. The path isn’t 2m wide so no easy social distancing, there’s rubbish everywhere from picnics. This isn’t exercising, it’s people going for and outing away from where they live and affecting the people who actually live there.
Selfish dick heads does jump out there... Oh the irony"
Why is selfish of me to want to be able to follow the rules and use my local area safely without people from other places making that’s impossible for me? |
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"Two separate issues here.
COVID restrictions - Theyre clearly in breach & should suffer the consequences for that (I suspect that will include massive guilt for the poor mrt guy)
MRT injury - that unfortunately is part and parcel of the role these heroesttake on. They know that and do it anyway.
I for one wish him a good & speedy recovery
Totally with you and you're right there are 2 issues. The fact that they shouldn't of been there is our main grudge. The mountain rescue people are fantastic and we really admire them. They turn out in all conditions without question.
But for them to have to risk themselves for people who have blatantly and unnecessarily broken the rules is disgusting. Yes the countryside is there for everyone to enjoy, but not 200 miles away from home. The countryside will still be there when all this is over. It's all about obeying the rules.
I totally agree, however I'm also a volunteer for one of the emergency services. I know the risks involved and what could happen in the event that I'm called out.
Regardless of the situation, its not my position to question why the scenario occurred, but to find a safe solution for all those involved, with ultimately no loss of life.
The mountain rescue team know exactly what the risks are.
A massive thumbs up to gentleman injured and the team involved in the rescue.
Good volunteering feller
Thank you.
Always looking for more volunteers
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I would but I've got to wash my hair that evening. |
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"It’s ridiculous that people think it’s ok to do these things. It’s a real shame about the rescuer. I suppose it’s part and parcel of volunteering for that job, but it just get your goat to have your life changed because you had to go rescue these selfish dickheads who shouldn’t have been there in the first place.
I live on the edge of somewhere quite pretty, and normally if I walk down by the river (which is at the end of my street) I don’t see anyone, it’s dead quiet . As soon as the lockdowns were announced it was full of people. Cars parked at all the entrances to the paths etc. Pissed me right off. It meant I couldn’t easily go for a safe walk from my doorstep. The path isn’t 2m wide so no easy social distancing, there’s rubbish everywhere from picnics. This isn’t exercising, it’s people going for and outing away from where they live and affecting the people who actually live there.
Selfish dick heads does jump out there... Oh the irony
Why is selfish of me to want to be able to follow the rules and use my local area safely without people from other places making that’s impossible for me? "
(of a person, action, or motive) lacking consideration for other people; concerned chiefly with one's own personal profit or pleasure. |
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"Two separate issues here.
COVID restrictions - Theyre clearly in breach & should suffer the consequences for that (I suspect that will include massive guilt for the poor mrt guy)
MRT injury - that unfortunately is part and parcel of the role these heroesttake on. They know that and do it anyway.
I for one wish him a good & speedy recovery
Totally with you and you're right there are 2 issues. The fact that they shouldn't of been there is our main grudge. The mountain rescue people are fantastic and we really admire them. They turn out in all conditions without question.
But for them to have to risk themselves for people who have blatantly and unnecessarily broken the rules is disgusting. Yes the countryside is there for everyone to enjoy, but not 200 miles away from home. The countryside will still be there when all this is over. It's all about obeying the rules.
I don't disagree, but just for discussion... If it was two poorly equipped novices from local area who had needed rescuing and the mrt had been injured in the same way, the consensus seems to be that would be OK? "
It would be annoying as no one should be going out to mountainous areas without correct equipment. |
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"Two separate issues here.
COVID restrictions - Theyre clearly in breach & should suffer the consequences for that (I suspect that will include massive guilt for the poor mrt guy)
MRT injury - that unfortunately is part and parcel of the role these heroesttake on. They know that and do it anyway.
I for one wish him a good & speedy recovery
Totally with you and you're right there are 2 issues. The fact that they shouldn't of been there is our main grudge. The mountain rescue people are fantastic and we really admire them. They turn out in all conditions without question.
But for them to have to risk themselves for people who have blatantly and unnecessarily broken the rules is disgusting. Yes the countryside is there for everyone to enjoy, but not 200 miles away from home. The countryside will still be there when all this is over. It's all about obeying the rules.
I totally agree, however I'm also a volunteer for one of the emergency services. I know the risks involved and what could happen in the event that I'm called out.
Regardless of the situation, its not my position to question why the scenario occurred, but to find a safe solution for all those involved, with ultimately no loss of life.
The mountain rescue team know exactly what the risks are.
A massive thumbs up to gentleman injured and the team involved in the rescue.
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We aren't debating that issue. We totally understand you and agree with you, but we still feel that those people were out of order. The mountain rescue teams themselves have put posts on social media pleading with people not to travel to their area.
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"It’s ridiculous that people think it’s ok to do these things. It’s a real shame about the rescuer. I suppose it’s part and parcel of volunteering for that job, but it just get your goat to have your life changed because you had to go rescue these selfish dickheads who shouldn’t have been there in the first place.
I live on the edge of somewhere quite pretty, and normally if I walk down by the river (which is at the end of my street) I don’t see anyone, it’s dead quiet . As soon as the lockdowns were announced it was full of people. Cars parked at all the entrances to the paths etc. Pissed me right off. It meant I couldn’t easily go for a safe walk from my doorstep. The path isn’t 2m wide so no easy social distancing, there’s rubbish everywhere from picnics. This isn’t exercising, it’s people going for and outing away from where they live and affecting the people who actually live there.
if you lived in the middle of a grey city or town can you honestly say you wouldn't do the same? i don't drive so ironically would find it difficult to get to remote places... im missing StBees head in last August where the hotel and pub owners were so happy to see us. peace, love and understanding
d
No I wouldn’t. You’re meant to stay in your local area and only go out for exercise. Outings to nicer places aren’t part of that. First lockdown it meant I didn’t go out at all most of the time because I’d have had to drive to find somewhere to avoid the people.
Oh no that's terrible... Unlike people who live in cities. "
People live where they live and should be staying local to exercise in a lockdown. Not travelling miles to places they think are nicer for a full day out. |
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"It’s ridiculous that people think it’s ok to do these things. It’s a real shame about the rescuer. I suppose it’s part and parcel of volunteering for that job, but it just get your goat to have your life changed because you had to go rescue these selfish dickheads who shouldn’t have been there in the first place.
I live on the edge of somewhere quite pretty, and normally if I walk down by the river (which is at the end of my street) I don’t see anyone, it’s dead quiet . As soon as the lockdowns were announced it was full of people. Cars parked at all the entrances to the paths etc. Pissed me right off. It meant I couldn’t easily go for a safe walk from my doorstep. The path isn’t 2m wide so no easy social distancing, there’s rubbish everywhere from picnics. This isn’t exercising, it’s people going for and outing away from where they live and affecting the people who actually live there.
if you lived in the middle of a grey city or town can you honestly say you wouldn't do the same? i don't drive so ironically would find it difficult to get to remote places... im missing StBees head in last August where the hotel and pub owners were so happy to see us. peace, love and understanding
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No I wouldn’t. You’re meant to stay in your local area and only go out for exercise. Outings to nicer places aren’t part of that. First lockdown it meant I didn’t go out at all most of the time because I’d have had to drive to find somewhere to avoid the people.
Oh no that's terrible... Unlike people who live in cities.
People live where they live and should be staying local to exercise in a lockdown. Not travelling miles to places they think are nicer for a full day out. "
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"It’s ridiculous that people think it’s ok to do these things. It’s a real shame about the rescuer. I suppose it’s part and parcel of volunteering for that job, but it just get your goat to have your life changed because you had to go rescue these selfish dickheads who shouldn’t have been there in the first place.
I live on the edge of somewhere quite pretty, and normally if I walk down by the river (which is at the end of my street) I don’t see anyone, it’s dead quiet . As soon as the lockdowns were announced it was full of people. Cars parked at all the entrances to the paths etc. Pissed me right off. It meant I couldn’t easily go for a safe walk from my doorstep. The path isn’t 2m wide so no easy social distancing, there’s rubbish everywhere from picnics. This isn’t exercising, it’s people going for and outing away from where they live and affecting the people who actually live there.
if you lived in the middle of a grey city or town can you honestly say you wouldn't do the same? i don't drive so ironically would find it difficult to get to remote places... im missing StBees head in last August where the hotel and pub owners were so happy to see us. peace, love and understanding
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No I wouldn’t. You’re meant to stay in your local area and only go out for exercise. Outings to nicer places aren’t part of that. First lockdown it meant I didn’t go out at all most of the time because I’d have had to drive to find somewhere to avoid the people.
Oh no that's terrible... Unlike people who live in cities.
People live where they live and should be staying local to exercise in a lockdown. Not travelling miles to places they think are nicer for a full day out. "
Yes 100 % agreed they should not be travelling miles. |
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"It’s ridiculous that people think it’s ok to do these things. It’s a real shame about the rescuer. I suppose it’s part and parcel of volunteering for that job, but it just get your goat to have your life changed because you had to go rescue these selfish dickheads who shouldn’t have been there in the first place.
I live on the edge of somewhere quite pretty, and normally if I walk down by the river (which is at the end of my street) I don’t see anyone, it’s dead quiet . As soon as the lockdowns were announced it was full of people. Cars parked at all the entrances to the paths etc. Pissed me right off. It meant I couldn’t easily go for a safe walk from my doorstep. The path isn’t 2m wide so no easy social distancing, there’s rubbish everywhere from picnics. This isn’t exercising, it’s people going for and outing away from where they live and affecting the people who actually live there.
Selfish dick heads does jump out there... Oh the irony
Why is selfish of me to want to be able to follow the rules and use my local area safely without people from other places making that’s impossible for me?
(of a person, action, or motive) lacking consideration for other people; concerned chiefly with one's own personal profit or pleasure."
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"Two separate issues here.
COVID restrictions - Theyre clearly in breach & should suffer the consequences for that (I suspect that will include massive guilt for the poor mrt guy)
MRT injury - that unfortunately is part and parcel of the role these heroesttake on. They know that and do it anyway.
I for one wish him a good & speedy recovery
Totally with you and you're right there are 2 issues. The fact that they shouldn't of been there is our main grudge. The mountain rescue people are fantastic and we really admire them. They turn out in all conditions without question.
But for them to have to risk themselves for people who have blatantly and unnecessarily broken the rules is disgusting. Yes the countryside is there for everyone to enjoy, but not 200 miles away from home. The countryside will still be there when all this is over. It's all about obeying the rules.
I don't disagree, but just for discussion... If it was two poorly equipped novices from local area who had needed rescuing and the mrt had been injured in the same way, the consensus seems to be that would be OK? "
I think it would still be out of order. Even if you were local we’re only allowed out to exercise an we’re asked to be reasonable about it. Going to a high risk area to wild camp isn’t really embracing the ‘stay home’ ethos is it? Even if it’s round the corner from you |
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"Two separate issues here.
COVID restrictions - Theyre clearly in breach & should suffer the consequences for that (I suspect that will include massive guilt for the poor mrt guy)
MRT injury - that unfortunately is part and parcel of the role these heroesttake on. They know that and do it anyway.
I for one wish him a good & speedy recovery
Totally with you and you're right there are 2 issues. The fact that they shouldn't of been there is our main grudge. The mountain rescue people are fantastic and we really admire them. They turn out in all conditions without question.
But for them to have to risk themselves for people who have blatantly and unnecessarily broken the rules is disgusting. Yes the countryside is there for everyone to enjoy, but not 200 miles away from home. The countryside will still be there when all this is over. It's all about obeying the rules.
I don't disagree, but just for discussion... If it was two poorly equipped novices from local area who had needed rescuing and the mrt had been injured in the same way, the consensus seems to be that would be OK?
It would be annoying as no one should be going out to mountainous areas without correct equipment."
Agreed they shouldn't. We can apply the same to coastal waters and swimming or canoeing, sailing, skiing, and so on.. But they do. All the time. Even before covid. I suppose as has been said there are 3 issues... 1 is they travelled too far if reported accurately... 2..they were inexperienced and poorly equipped.. 3..the mrt were injured in rescuing them.
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"It’s ridiculous that people think it’s ok to do these things. It’s a real shame about the rescuer. I suppose it’s part and parcel of volunteering for that job, but it just get your goat to have your life changed because you had to go rescue these selfish dickheads who shouldn’t have been there in the first place.
I live on the edge of somewhere quite pretty, and normally if I walk down by the river (which is at the end of my street) I don’t see anyone, it’s dead quiet . As soon as the lockdowns were announced it was full of people. Cars parked at all the entrances to the paths etc. Pissed me right off. It meant I couldn’t easily go for a safe walk from my doorstep. The path isn’t 2m wide so no easy social distancing, there’s rubbish everywhere from picnics. This isn’t exercising, it’s people going for and outing away from where they live and affecting the people who actually live there.
if you lived in the middle of a grey city or town can you honestly say you wouldn't do the same? i don't drive so ironically would find it difficult to get to remote places... im missing StBees head in last August where the hotel and pub owners were so happy to see us. peace, love and understanding
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No I wouldn’t. You’re meant to stay in your local area and only go out for exercise. Outings to nicer places aren’t part of that. First lockdown it meant I didn’t go out at all most of the time because I’d have had to drive to find somewhere to avoid the people.
Oh no that's terrible... Unlike people who live in cities.
People live where they live and should be staying local to exercise in a lockdown. Not travelling miles to places they think are nicer for a full day out.
Precisely. It really is that simple."
but they'd go to a bigger city or town if they needed the services there?
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"It’s ridiculous that people think it’s ok to do these things. It’s a real shame about the rescuer. I suppose it’s part and parcel of volunteering for that job, but it just get your goat to have your life changed because you had to go rescue these selfish dickheads who shouldn’t have been there in the first place.
I live on the edge of somewhere quite pretty, and normally if I walk down by the river (which is at the end of my street) I don’t see anyone, it’s dead quiet . As soon as the lockdowns were announced it was full of people. Cars parked at all the entrances to the paths etc. Pissed me right off. It meant I couldn’t easily go for a safe walk from my doorstep. The path isn’t 2m wide so no easy social distancing, there’s rubbish everywhere from picnics. This isn’t exercising, it’s people going for and outing away from where they live and affecting the people who actually live there.
if you lived in the middle of a grey city or town can you honestly say you wouldn't do the same? i don't drive so ironically would find it difficult to get to remote places... im missing StBees head in last August where the hotel and pub owners were so happy to see us. peace, love and understanding
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No I wouldn’t. You’re meant to stay in your local area and only go out for exercise. Outings to nicer places aren’t part of that. First lockdown it meant I didn’t go out at all most of the time because I’d have had to drive to find somewhere to avoid the people.
Oh no that's terrible... Unlike people who live in cities.
People live where they live and should be staying local to exercise in a lockdown. Not travelling miles to places they think are nicer for a full day out.
Precisely. It really is that simple.
but they'd go to a bigger city or town if they needed the services there?
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I can't think of anything anyone would need to travel for except emergency medical requirements/treatment.
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One of the biggest problems I see with the spread is this “stay local" thing.
Surely staying local and everyone congregating in the same places (especially in urban areas) is more of a breeding ground for spread than people spreading out? How many people on her have gone to their nearest spot, park, country park, fields etc and found that they are full of everyone from dog walkers to joggers to people just wanting to see some green?
As for this situation, they were fools for thinking they were above succombing to the British winter, and it's going to be a huge lesson learnt for them. But aside from that, they took themselves out of the majority of people's way to do less harm. There's irresponsible rule breaking, like a gangbang or a party in a house and then there is this, rule breaking to some, rule bending to others, but regardless its a whole different thing to the other.
Afternote... Does anyone feel like a child having to write “we're only allowed out"???
Strange times...
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There is almost some soft cunt who decides to take a trek up a mountain in the middle of winter and have to be rescued.
Rather naming and shaming they should have a massive fine which would go directly to the mountain rescue group. |
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"It’s ridiculous that people think it’s ok to do these things. It’s a real shame about the rescuer. I suppose it’s part and parcel of volunteering for that job, but it just get your goat to have your life changed because you had to go rescue these selfish dickheads who shouldn’t have been there in the first place.
I live on the edge of somewhere quite pretty, and normally if I walk down by the river (which is at the end of my street) I don’t see anyone, it’s dead quiet . As soon as the lockdowns were announced it was full of people. Cars parked at all the entrances to the paths etc. Pissed me right off. It meant I couldn’t easily go for a safe walk from my doorstep. The path isn’t 2m wide so no easy social distancing, there’s rubbish everywhere from picnics. This isn’t exercising, it’s people going for and outing away from where they live and affecting the people who actually live there.
if you lived in the middle of a grey city or town can you honestly say you wouldn't do the same? i don't drive so ironically would find it difficult to get to remote places... im missing StBees head in last August where the hotel and pub owners were so happy to see us. peace, love and understanding
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No I wouldn’t. You’re meant to stay in your local area and only go out for exercise. Outings to nicer places aren’t part of that. First lockdown it meant I didn’t go out at all most of the time because I’d have had to drive to find somewhere to avoid the people. "
I drove to Keswick this morning (I'm an essential services provider), and counted three mobile homes on the road during that 12 mile journey. One of them was Swiss registered....... |
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"There is almost some soft cunt who decides to take a trek up a mountain in the middle of winter and have to be rescued.
Rather naming and shaming they should have a massive fine which would go directly to the mountain rescue group."
he just needs love and understanding, thats what you prescribe if he goes on the rob on another thread! lol talk about double standards! he could have mental health issues or a drug problem and not a very big cock! give him a break!
but i do wonder, 2 guys on a mountain, broke back..... hmmm i can see a film in this  |
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"There is almost some soft cunt who decides to take a trek up a mountain in the middle of winter and have to be rescued.
Rather naming and shaming they should have a massive fine which would go directly to the mountain rescue group."
We would like to think they have made a hefty donation to the Mountain Rescue team. |
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One man with known heart problems... travelling that far in lockdown, to wild cam, with his mate from another town. It’s vile.
Lots of people involved and had to call out a few other mountain rescue teams to actually support with the injured worker.
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"There is almost some soft cunt who decides to take a trek up a mountain in the middle of winter and have to be rescued.
Rather naming and shaming they should have a massive fine which would go directly to the mountain rescue group. We would like to think they have made a hefty donation to the Mountain Rescue team."
but what if hes a single dad on benefits with a cat to feed? who was only camping coz he couldnt afford a hotel?
they should have nailed him to a fence like a dead fox! as a warning to others!
just 2 possible ways of viewing the situation! |
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"There is almost some soft cunt who decides to take a trek up a mountain in the middle of winter and have to be rescued.
Rather naming and shaming they should have a massive fine which would go directly to the mountain rescue group. We would like to think they have made a hefty donation to the Mountain Rescue team.
but what if hes a single dad on benefits with a cat to feed? who was only camping coz he couldnt afford a hotel?
they should have nailed him to a fence like a dead fox! as a warning to others!
just 2 possible ways of viewing the situation! "
No one mentioned death |
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"There is almost some soft cunt who decides to take a trek up a mountain in the middle of winter and have to be rescued.
Rather naming and shaming they should have a massive fine which would go directly to the mountain rescue group. We would like to think they have made a hefty donation to the Mountain Rescue team.
but what if hes a single dad on benefits with a cat to feed? who was only camping coz he couldnt afford a hotel?
they should have nailed him to a fence like a dead fox! as a warning to others!
just 2 possible ways of viewing the situation!
No one mentioned death "
The single dad still should have stayed at home lol. |
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"There is almost some soft cunt who decides to take a trek up a mountain in the middle of winter and have to be rescued.
Rather naming and shaming they should have a massive fine which would go directly to the mountain rescue group. We would like to think they have made a hefty donation to the Mountain Rescue team.
but what if hes a single dad on benefits with a cat to feed? who was only camping coz he couldnt afford a hotel?
they should have nailed him to a fence like a dead fox! as a warning to others!
just 2 possible ways of viewing the situation!
No one mentioned death "
like a dead fox, simile...
You were as brave as a lion.
They fought like cats and dogs.
He is as funny as a barrel of monkeys.
This house is as clean as a whistle.
He is as strong as an ox.
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"There is almost some soft cunt who decides to take a trek up a mountain in the middle of winter and have to be rescued.
Rather naming and shaming they should have a massive fine which would go directly to the mountain rescue group. We would like to think they have made a hefty donation to the Mountain Rescue team.
but what if hes a single dad on benefits with a cat to feed? who was only camping coz he couldnt afford a hotel?
they should have nailed him to a fence like a dead fox! as a warning to others!
just 2 possible ways of viewing the situation!
No one mentioned death
like a dead fox, simile...
You were as brave as a lion.
They fought like cats and dogs.
He is as funny as a barrel of monkeys.
This house is as clean as a whistle.
He is as strong as an ox.
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"The rescue services rarely openly criticise the people they rescue. The lifeboat crew here got into severe difficulties after they launched for a guy who had gone into seas that nobody should have been on. They said afterwards that is what they are there for.
The guy meanwhile receives death threats on social media. "
Was that the rescue, that the inshore lifeboat capsized. The crew got rescued, the boat got retrieved. |
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"should all those who defy lockdown to partake in outdoor activities be named and shamed or just those who get into enough difficulty to require the intervention of the emergency services?"
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"It’s ridiculous that people think it’s ok to do these things. It’s a real shame about the rescuer. I suppose it’s part and parcel of volunteering for that job, but it just get your goat to have your life changed because you had to go rescue these selfish dickheads who shouldn’t have been there in the first place.
I live on the edge of somewhere quite pretty, and normally if I walk down by the river (which is at the end of my street) I don’t see anyone, it’s dead quiet . As soon as the lockdowns were announced it was full of people. Cars parked at all the entrances to the paths etc. Pissed me right off. It meant I couldn’t easily go for a safe walk from my doorstep. The path isn’t 2m wide so no easy social distancing, there’s rubbish everywhere from picnics. This isn’t exercising, it’s people going for and outing away from where they live and affecting the people who actually live there.
if you lived in the middle of a grey city or town can you honestly say you wouldn't do the same? i don't drive so ironically would find it difficult to get to remote places... im missing StBees head in last August where the hotel and pub owners were so happy to see us. peace, love and understanding
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No I wouldn’t. You’re meant to stay in your local area and only go out for exercise. Outings to nicer places aren’t part of that. First lockdown it meant I didn’t go out at all most of the time because I’d have had to drive to find somewhere to avoid the people.
Oh no that's terrible... Unlike people who live in cities.
People live where they live and should be staying local to exercise in a lockdown. Not travelling miles to places they think are nicer for a full day out.
Precisely. It really is that simple.
but they'd go to a bigger city or town if they needed the services there?
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Some do. But they’re the same folk who have the mindset of travelling for a day out. I live on the edge of a small town and I stay here. I haven’t travelled outside my town for months. So it means the same few shops, the same spaces. No variety. I also live alone and work from home and aside from a 20 minute, socially distanced cup of tea with my pensioner dad I haven’t seen anyone i know for months. My friends are a half hour drive away and I don’t think it’s really within the rules for me to go see them to meet up for a walk. So I don’t. There are beautiful parks and green spaces in between them and me, but we both would be travelling outside our local area of we went to them to meet up, so we don’t. So I do get very pissed off with people who just do whatever they want.
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"One of the biggest problems I see with the spread is this “stay local" thing.
Surely staying local and everyone congregating in the same places (especially in urban areas) is more of a breeding ground for spread than people spreading out? How many people on her have gone to their nearest spot, park, country park, fields etc and found that they are full of everyone from dog walkers to joggers to people just wanting to see some green?
As for this situation, they were fools for thinking they were above succombing to the British winter, and it's going to be a huge lesson learnt for them. But aside from that, they took themselves out of the majority of people's way to do less harm. There's irresponsible rule breaking, like a gangbang or a party in a house and then there is this, rule breaking to some, rule bending to others, but regardless its a whole different thing to the other.
Afternote... Does anyone feel like a child having to write “we're only allowed out"???
Strange times...
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spot on let's all go to the local Park with feral kids cycling round and swearing at random passers by.. really good for your mental health that
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"Meh, these things happen, mountain rescue is inherently dangerous at the best of times. Yes the should not have been there this time, but these things happen even when there is no lockdown. People will get injured doing dangerous things ... "
You of course are part of a similar selfless organisation cave rescue perhaps
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Whilst I do not condone the actions of the wild campers, they shouldn’t have done it (unless legitimate work was involved of course) it seems far less stupid than those attending house parties in their own street or those going to the supermarket 7 days a week  |
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anyone see the irony of people going into meltdown over people taking the odd trip to the beach or up a hill away from congested areas when there are people flying thousands of miles everyday.. watching the news about people coming in from South Africa unchecked and still no proper quarantine or hotels arranged
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"anyone see the irony of people going into meltdown over people taking the odd trip to the beach or up a hill away from congested areas when there are people flying thousands of miles everyday.. watching the news about people coming in from South Africa unchecked and still no proper quarantine or hotels arranged
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People are allowed to be unhappy about both. This post was about the poor worker who’s had life changing injuries.
On a forum about flights people are still pissed off about it.
Doesn’t have to be one or the other |
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i was a very keen mountain climber in my youth and always dreamed of being part of mountain rescue but was never skilled enough. everyone who ventures out is taking a risk, life is a risk.. these guys take risks everyday.. wouldn't do it if they didn't. Thoughts are with the injured guy tho.. i haven't been walking since August but recognise the need
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"i was a very keen mountain climber in my youth and always dreamed of being part of mountain rescue but was never skilled enough. everyone who ventures out is taking a risk, life is a risk.. these guys take risks everyday.. wouldn't do it if they didn't. Thoughts are with the injured guy tho.. i haven't been walking since August but recognise the need
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I think everyone appreciates that, I live here and know the risks- as I do with all the sports im involved in.
But it easily could have been avoided on that evening if the selfish people didn’t do what they did.
There’s always a risk whenever they are called out of this happening... doesn’t diminish the fact it shouldn’t have happened then.
Unnecessary risk from men who travelled together from different towns during lockdown to wild camp with known heart issues isn’t a risk I personally think people should be taking right now x |
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yeh im not thinking of wild camping with my hernia... i just think travelling a few miles up the motorway is hardly equal to people travelling across continents wish no assured quarantine |
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I’ve seen these guys in action when one of our party broke an ankle and had to be airlifted to hospital. They do a fantastic job and now one of them has suffered life changing injuries because two idiots couldn’t abide by the rules.
And bollox to the ‘they have only driven a few miles up the motorway’ . They shouldn’t have been there, full stop!
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"I’ve seen these guys in action when one of our party broke an ankle and had to be airlifted to hospital. They do a fantastic job and now one of them has suffered life changing injuries because two idiots couldn’t abide by the rules.
And bollox to the ‘they have only driven a few miles up the motorway’ . They shouldn’t have been there, full stop!
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"Meh, these things happen, mountain rescue is inherently dangerous at the best of times. Yes the should not have been there this time, but these things happen even when there is no lockdown. People will get injured doing dangerous things ... "
As an ex mountain rescue person I find this an ignorant statement to make yes we do it and know its dangerous and accidents happen.
The point being this was an unnecessary accident if the irresponsible people were no there I. The first place and they should have been fined way more and made an example of..  |
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Just ban people going on mountains like they banned fox hunting and bare knuckle fighting... they are going to ban heading a ball and have already taken steps ffs!
Then no one will get hurt ever, hurray |
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"Just ban people going on mountains like they banned fox hunting and bare knuckle fighting... they are going to ban heading a ball and have already taken steps ffs!
Then no one will get hurt ever, hurray "
It's not about banning anyone, think you missed the point, the mountains are there to be enjoyed by everyone, take the necessary responsible gear and take care, however best will in the world accidents do happen that we are happy with, its just now when NO One should be in this situation 100 miles from home is what is not acceptable and putting lives in danger in the process. |
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"Just ban people going on mountains like they banned fox hunting and bare knuckle fighting... they are going to ban heading a ball and have already taken steps ffs!
Then no one will get hurt ever, hurray
It's not about banning anyone, think you missed the point, the mountains are there to be enjoyed by everyone, take the necessary responsible gear and take care, however best will in the world accidents do happen that we are happy with, its just now when NO One should be in this situation 100 miles from home is what is not acceptable and putting lives in danger in the process. "
Exactly this!
People know everything they do is a risk.
And people wouldn’t be in these jobs/ charities if they didn’t want to help people after that risk has backfired.
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What ever happened to accidents being an accident...
Mountain rescue = danger..proceed with caution, as does being on a mountain in the first place, always did & always will.
Horse riding = danger as does dealing with horse.
Drive a car = driving a killing machine
Being a woman = well, we all know those dangers..
It is impossible to mitigate against every single injury or death because they are just factors of life we all have to deal with. Cotton wool theory doesn't work & we know that from the bubble wrapped kids who are frightened to get dirty or even find out their full potential through their parentsfear of being hurt.
The mountain rescue guy know the risks when he signed on & this could have happened at anytime to any one of them, even if it was to happen on a training exercise.
Can we stop blaming other folk for everything already please.... |
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"What ever happened to accidents being an accident...
Mountain rescue = danger..proceed with caution, as does being on a mountain in the first place, always did & always will.
Horse riding = danger as does dealing with horse.
Drive a car = driving a killing machine
Being a woman = well, we all know those dangers..
It is impossible to mitigate against every single injury or death because they are just factors of life we all have to deal with. Cotton wool theory doesn't work & we know that from the bubble wrapped kids who are frightened to get dirty or even find out their full potential through their parentsfear of being hurt.
The mountain rescue guy know the risks when he signed on & this could have happened at anytime to any one of them, even if it was to happen on a training exercise.
Can we stop blaming other folk for everything already please...."
Is it not your responsibility to reduce the risk where possible though?
My brother is a professional motocross racer. He’s allowed to continue training during covid.
He isn’t because of the stress on the NHS if he needed an ambulance or a hospital visit.
Just just common sense and most people that actually par take in “risky” things usually are smart about it. It’s a shame in this circumstance they weren’t |
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"What ever happened to accidents being an accident...
Mountain rescue = danger..proceed with caution, as does being on a mountain in the first place, always did & always will.
Horse riding = danger as does dealing with horse.
Drive a car = driving a killing machine
Being a woman = well, we all know those dangers..
It is impossible to mitigate against every single injury or death because they are just factors of life we all have to deal with. Cotton wool theory doesn't work & we know that from the bubble wrapped kids who are frightened to get dirty or even find out their full potential through their parentsfear of being hurt.
The mountain rescue guy know the risks when he signed on & this could have happened at anytime to any one of them, even if it was to happen on a training exercise.
Can we stop blaming other folk for everything already please...."
Again you have missed the whole point, no one is saying you can't do things in normal times, this is not normal times and they shouldn't have been there so yes we can blame them for being irresponsible and selfish and in considerate... |
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"These people weren't just out for a walk. They were camping in sub zero temperatures. They don't even live together. I think it was very selfish of them. "
The amount of people the police have caught climbing pen y fan in wales has been ridiculous travelling 4 hours to climb a mountain during a lockdown extremely selfish. |
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By *r TriomanMan
over a year ago
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"The rescue services rarely openly criticise the people they rescue. The lifeboat crew here got into severe difficulties after they launched for a guy who had gone into seas that nobody should have been on. They said afterwards that is what they are there for.
The guy meanwhile receives death threats on social media. "
It's often the people doing what they shouldn't be,p that need to be rescued. These two guys can, without doubt hold themselves responsible for there actions; all there fellow COVID rule breakers are wondering around in ignorant bliss, happily supposing that it's others people passing on the virus that killed so many and that their actions have no consequence.
I'm off the opinion that even if you know you haven't got the virus and break the rules you're still part of the problem; you're helping to create a nationwide rule breaking behavior... Leading to 2 men traveling over 150 miles and ending up needing to be rescued. |
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By *ax777Man
over a year ago
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"I’ve seen these guys in action when one of our party broke an ankle and had to be airlifted to hospital. They do a fantastic job and now one of them has suffered life changing injuries because two idiots couldn’t abide by the rules.
And bollox to the ‘they have only driven a few miles up the motorway’ . They shouldn’t have been there, full stop!
So they were idiots for needing rescuing but your party were what when they required rescuing? "
No, they were idiots for going in the middle of a lockdown.
We were walking in benign conditions when one of our party slipped and fell. We are all experienced walkers but accidents happen, which is why those guys are there. We weren’t walking in the midst of a pandemic though, when we shouldn’t have been there.
However, the poor guy who now has life changing injuries was trying to help two entitled idiots who shouldn’t have been there. I hope their consciences trouble them but somehow I doubt it. |
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"I’ve seen these guys in action when one of our party broke an ankle and had to be airlifted to hospital. They do a fantastic job and now one of them has suffered life changing injuries because two idiots couldn’t abide by the rules.
And bollox to the ‘they have only driven a few miles up the motorway’ . They shouldn’t have been there, full stop!
So they were idiots for needing rescuing but your party were what when they required rescuing?
No, they were idiots for going in the middle of a lockdown.
We were walking in benign conditions when one of our party slipped and fell. We are all experienced walkers but accidents happen, which is why those guys are there. We weren’t walking in the midst of a pandemic though, when we shouldn’t have been there.
However, the poor guy who now has life changing injuries was trying to help two entitled idiots who shouldn’t have been there. I hope their consciences trouble them but somehow I doubt it."
yes but none of that would have happened if we just banned people going on mountains, mountains should only be for those specially trained people who are better than us.... its obvious! normal people should only be allowed to look on tv or in magazines, that way they wont pollute the planet by driving there... obviously! win win |
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"I’ve seen these guys in action when one of our party broke an ankle and had to be airlifted to hospital. They do a fantastic job and now one of them has suffered life changing injuries because two idiots couldn’t abide by the rules.
And bollox to the ‘they have only driven a few miles up the motorway’ . They shouldn’t have been there, full stop!
So they were idiots for needing rescuing but your party were what when they required rescuing?
No, they were idiots for going in the middle of a lockdown.
We were walking in benign conditions when one of our party slipped and fell. We are all experienced walkers but accidents happen, which is why those guys are there. We weren’t walking in the midst of a pandemic though, when we shouldn’t have been there.
However, the poor guy who now has life changing injuries was trying to help two entitled idiots who shouldn’t have been there. I hope their consciences trouble them but somehow I doubt it.
yes but none of that would have happened if we just banned people going on mountains, mountains should only be for those specially trained people who are better than us.... its obvious! normal people should only be allowed to look on tv or in magazines, that way they wont pollute the planet by driving there... obviously! win win "
I think you're onto something. Nobody should be allowed to do anything unless they are an expert. Accompanied by other experts. Beginners and novices are not allowed to start. That'll sort it out. No mistakes are permitted. Everyone must be perfect in every way and if any doubt... We should convene a trial by social media. |
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"What ever happened to accidents being an accident...
Mountain rescue = danger..proceed with caution, as does being on a mountain in the first place, always did & always will.
Horse riding = danger as does dealing with horse.
Drive a car = driving a killing machine
Being a woman = well, we all know those dangers..
It is impossible to mitigate against every single injury or death because they are just factors of life we all have to deal with. Cotton wool theory doesn't work & we know that from the bubble wrapped kids who are frightened to get dirty or even find out their full potential through their parentsfear of being hurt.
The mountain rescue guy know the risks when he signed on & this could have happened at anytime to any one of them, even if it was to happen on a training exercise.
Can we stop blaming other folk for everything already please....
Again you have missed the whole point, no one is saying you can't do things in normal times, this is not normal times and they shouldn't have been there so yes we can blame them for being irresponsible and selfish and in considerate... "
and live is never risk free from a virus or anything else.....that is part of life all of it. In everything you do there's a 50/50 chance.
considering someone selfish depends on your perspective of the situation. Those are your views, mind. not everyone else thinks the same or like you as they don't with me.
Did they think it through...nope, snow storm blowing in & they are up a mountain...I'm taking they were experienced if they were even out camping in winter never mind up a mountain....they've probably done this many a time & this time has went wrong plus other than having to being rescued I doubt they were near anyone else which was entirely their intention, a little freedom to roam without actually having to worry bout other folk being near them and be accused or worried over the virus.
what you bro chooses to do is his choice...he may even lose out or change path through his decision.
we can't keep humans locked up forever, it's not how humans are designed to be, neither is office work (long sitting) tbh.
We see so many medical issues already that people take no responsibility for, yet you expect them to for a virus that no one can see without a microscope, you have no idea at all & with viruses/bacteria you never did...humans are still here and with a growing population worldwide.
Ironic how the uk is planning to cull a whole lot of grey squirrels for environmental damage and virus spreading they are doing, though ain't it. or the badgers for TB etc.
we've got far to used to playing god with medicine & now its coming back to bite us in the ass & this won't be the last. I don't intend to live in a concrete box like a prisoner for the rest of my life through fear of death...which doesn't frighten me, I'll go when I go & won't get to decide how either. |
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"I’ve seen these guys in action when one of our party broke an ankle and had to be airlifted to hospital. They do a fantastic job and now one of them has suffered life changing injuries because two idiots couldn’t abide by the rules.
And bollox to the ‘they have only driven a few miles up the motorway’ . They shouldn’t have been there, full stop!
So they were idiots for needing rescuing but your party were what when they required rescuing?
No, they were idiots for going in the middle of a lockdown.
We were walking in benign conditions when one of our party slipped and fell. We are all experienced walkers but accidents happen, which is why those guys are there. We weren’t walking in the midst of a pandemic though, when we shouldn’t have been there.
However, the poor guy who now has life changing injuries was trying to help two entitled idiots who shouldn’t have been there. I hope their consciences trouble them but somehow I doubt it.
yes but none of that would have happened if we just banned people going on mountains, mountains should only be for those specially trained people who are better than us.... its obvious! normal people should only be allowed to look on tv or in magazines, that way they wont pollute the planet by driving there... obviously! win win
I think you're onto something. Nobody should be allowed to do anything unless they are an expert. Accompanied by other experts. Beginners and novices are not allowed to start. That'll sort it out. No mistakes are permitted. Everyone must be perfect in every way and if any doubt... We should convene a trial by social media. "
lol you got it, i was expecting people to tell me i didnt understand lol me just being a dumb tranny |
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i took my kids up their first lakeland fell aged 6 and 8..my dad took his youngest kid up High Street in a back pack... things look so different from the view from a pandemic
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By *ax777Man
over a year ago
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"I’ve seen these guys in action when one of our party broke an ankle and had to be airlifted to hospital. They do a fantastic job and now one of them has suffered life changing injuries because two idiots couldn’t abide by the rules.
And bollox to the ‘they have only driven a few miles up the motorway’ . They shouldn’t have been there, full stop!
So they were idiots for needing rescuing but your party were what when they required rescuing?
No, they were idiots for going in the middle of a lockdown.
We were walking in benign conditions when one of our party slipped and fell. We are all experienced walkers but accidents happen, which is why those guys are there. We weren’t walking in the midst of a pandemic though, when we shouldn’t have been there.
However, the poor guy who now has life changing injuries was trying to help two entitled idiots who shouldn’t have been there. I hope their consciences trouble them but somehow I doubt it.
yes but none of that would have happened if we just banned people going on mountains, mountains should only be for those specially trained people who are better than us.... its obvious! normal people should only be allowed to look on tv or in magazines, that way they wont pollute the planet by driving there... obviously! win win
I think you're onto something. Nobody should be allowed to do anything unless they are an expert. Accompanied by other experts. Beginners and novices are not allowed to start. That'll sort it out. No mistakes are permitted. Everyone must be perfect in every way and if any doubt... We should convene a trial by social media. "
In normal times, people are allowed to do just about anything. The MR guys accept the risks involved in rescuing walkers/climbers of all capabilities but these two should not have been there. What’s so bloody difficult to understand?
Now some poor guy has life changing injuries just because two idiots decided the rules didn’t apply to them. |
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im on a mountain sorry
well you shouldnt be out dickhead, you can wait till morning or next week as im a volunteer and i didnt volunteer for this, bye!
and hang up, they would in other countries |
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"I’ve seen these guys in action when one of our party broke an ankle and had to be airlifted to hospital. They do a fantastic job and now one of them has suffered life changing injuries because two idiots couldn’t abide by the rules.
And bollox to the ‘they have only driven a few miles up the motorway’ . They shouldn’t have been there, full stop!
So they were idiots for needing rescuing but your party were what when they required rescuing?
No, they were idiots for going in the middle of a lockdown.
We were walking in benign conditions when one of our party slipped and fell. We are all experienced walkers but accidents happen, which is why those guys are there. We weren’t walking in the midst of a pandemic though, when we shouldn’t have been there.
However, the poor guy who now has life changing injuries was trying to help two entitled idiots who shouldn’t have been there. I hope their consciences trouble them but somehow I doubt it.
yes but none of that would have happened if we just banned people going on mountains, mountains should only be for those specially trained people who are better than us.... its obvious! normal people should only be allowed to look on tv or in magazines, that way they wont pollute the planet by driving there... obviously! win win
I think you're onto something. Nobody should be allowed to do anything unless they are an expert. Accompanied by other experts. Beginners and novices are not allowed to start. That'll sort it out. No mistakes are permitted. Everyone must be perfect in every way and if any doubt... We should convene a trial by social media.
In normal times, people are allowed to do just about anything. The MR guys accept the risks involved in rescuing walkers/climbers of all capabilities but these two should not have been there. What’s so bloody difficult to understand?
Now some poor guy has life changing injuries just because two idiots decided the rules didn’t apply to them. "
I could swear and use the same.. But won't... All I'm saying is the breach of covid rules seems to be being conflated with needing volunteer rescue services. They are two issues. If it was a year ago before covid they would still have required assistance. That's all. I agree with our current lockdown laws, that it sounds like they should not have made the journey. I do also agree that in terms of covid spread.... A plane load of passengers arriving from South Africa or spain or China and disappearing into the ether are probably worthy of more emphasis...and death or long term illness from covid should be seen as a consequence of that. In the same way as the unfortunate rescue volunteers tribulations. |
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"In other countries you have to pay for mountain rescue or have the appropriate insurance, UK is the only country where MRT is run by volunteers. "
There was talk about Introducing it, but we didn't want to take draconian measures however in light of recent events that conversation might be back on the table.
The whole point is not about leaving them the whole point is people need to be mindful right now and just stop doing stupid things just because they think they have a right to. It's about having a bit of responsibility it all works well normally and I have rescued peole who were very grateful, dealt with potential suicides people do things for all sorts of reasons, but breaking the law is just unacceptable just now.. |
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By *ax777Man
over a year ago
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"I’ve seen these guys in action when one of our party broke an ankle and had to be airlifted to hospital. They do a fantastic job and now one of them has suffered life changing injuries because two idiots couldn’t abide by the rules.
And bollox to the ‘they have only driven a few miles up the motorway’ . They shouldn’t have been there, full stop!
So they were idiots for needing rescuing but your party were what when they required rescuing?
No, they were idiots for going in the middle of a lockdown.
We were walking in benign conditions when one of our party slipped and fell. We are all experienced walkers but accidents happen, which is why those guys are there. We weren’t walking in the midst of a pandemic though, when we shouldn’t have been there.
However, the poor guy who now has life changing injuries was trying to help two entitled idiots who shouldn’t have been there. I hope their consciences trouble them but somehow I doubt it.
yes but none of that would have happened if we just banned people going on mountains, mountains should only be for those specially trained people who are better than us.... its obvious! normal people should only be allowed to look on tv or in magazines, that way they wont pollute the planet by driving there... obviously! win win
I think you're onto something. Nobody should be allowed to do anything unless they are an expert. Accompanied by other experts. Beginners and novices are not allowed to start. That'll sort it out. No mistakes are permitted. Everyone must be perfect in every way and if any doubt... We should convene a trial by social media.
In normal times, people are allowed to do just about anything. The MR guys accept the risks involved in rescuing walkers/climbers of all capabilities but these two should not have been there. What’s so bloody difficult to understand?
Now some poor guy has life changing injuries just because two idiots decided the rules didn’t apply to them.
I could swear and use the same.. But won't... All I'm saying is the breach of covid rules seems to be being conflated with needing volunteer rescue services. They are two issues. If it was a year ago before covid they would still have required assistance. That's all. I agree with our current lockdown laws, that it sounds like they should not have made the journey. I do also agree that in terms of covid spread.... A plane load of passengers arriving from South Africa or spain or China and disappearing into the ether are probably worthy of more emphasis...and death or long term illness from covid should be seen as a consequence of that. In the same way as the unfortunate rescue volunteers tribulations. "
There’s no conflation on my behalf. If those people had obeyed the rules, they wouldn’t have needed the MR and the volunteer wouldn’t have had his life ruined. Your comment about if it was a year before Covid is meaningless, as it wasn’t.
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By *ax777Man
over a year ago
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"In other countries you have to pay for mountain rescue or have the appropriate insurance, UK is the only country where MRT is run by volunteers.
There was talk about Introducing it, but we didn't want to take draconian measures however in light of recent events that conversation might be back on the table.
The whole point is not about leaving them the whole point is people need to be mindful right now and just stop doing stupid things just because they think they have a right to. It's about having a bit of responsibility it all works well normally and I have rescued peole who were very grateful, dealt with potential suicides people do things for all sorts of reasons, but breaking the law is just unacceptable just now.. "
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"I’ve seen these guys in action when one of our party broke an ankle and had to be airlifted to hospital. They do a fantastic job and now one of them has suffered life changing injuries because two idiots couldn’t abide by the rules.
And bollox to the ‘they have only driven a few miles up the motorway’ . They shouldn’t have been there, full stop!
So they were idiots for needing rescuing but your party were what when they required rescuing?
No, they were idiots for going in the middle of a lockdown.
We were walking in benign conditions when one of our party slipped and fell. We are all experienced walkers but accidents happen, which is why those guys are there. We weren’t walking in the midst of a pandemic though, when we shouldn’t have been there.
However, the poor guy who now has life changing injuries was trying to help two entitled idiots who shouldn’t have been there. I hope their consciences trouble them but somehow I doubt it.
yes but none of that would have happened if we just banned people going on mountains, mountains should only be for those specially trained people who are better than us.... its obvious! normal people should only be allowed to look on tv or in magazines, that way they wont pollute the planet by driving there... obviously! win win
I think you're onto something. Nobody should be allowed to do anything unless they are an expert. Accompanied by other experts. Beginners and novices are not allowed to start. That'll sort it out. No mistakes are permitted. Everyone must be perfect in every way and if any doubt... We should convene a trial by social media.
In normal times, people are allowed to do just about anything. The MR guys accept the risks involved in rescuing walkers/climbers of all capabilities but these two should not have been there. What’s so bloody difficult to understand?
Now some poor guy has life changing injuries just because two idiots decided the rules didn’t apply to them.
I could swear and use the same.. But won't... All I'm saying is the breach of covid rules seems to be being conflated with needing volunteer rescue services. They are two issues. If it was a year ago before covid they would still have required assistance. That's all. I agree with our current lockdown laws, that it sounds like they should not have made the journey. I do also agree that in terms of covid spread.... A plane load of passengers arriving from South Africa or spain or China and disappearing into the ether are probably worthy of more emphasis...and death or long term illness from covid should be seen as a consequence of that. In the same way as the unfortunate rescue volunteers tribulations. "
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watching the lakes a wild year and feeling the love that was kindled when i was kid but won't venture up yet.. but i understand others needs.. so lucky to live there the people that do
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so the Welsh minister wants Welsh tourism to be up and running by Easter.. as mountains and walking /climbing is a big part of that do you think it will be socially acceptable to partake then?
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"so the Welsh minister wants Welsh tourism to be up and running by Easter.. as mountains and walking /climbing is a big part of that do you think it will be socially acceptable to partake then?
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"Meh, these things happen, mountain rescue is inherently dangerous at the best of times. Yes the should not have been there this time, but these things happen even when there is no lockdown. People will get injured doing dangerous things ... "
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... who’s on rots today? Oh we are in lockdown so will be quiet so let’s put x and y together as they won’t need to go beyond their capabilities.
Let’s just put loads more pressure on local hospitals and the staff that are on their knees... people doing this in lockdown need a stay at her majesty’s pleasure for 28 days. Sick of the entitlement |
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By *eerobCouple
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"Whilst I agree that they shouldn't have been up the mountain, I disagree that they should be named and shamed. They probably deeply regret going there.
It's very sad that a mountain rescuer has been badly hurt.
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i think they would. they from what i gather were quite experienced and may have been doing it for years without issue.. People are far too quick to judge others.. they were not having a race and by staying home you could easily set fire to your home and have to have the emergency services rescue you.. accidents will happen..
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"i think they would. they from what i gather were quite experienced and may have been doing it for years without issue.. People are far too quick to judge others.. they were not having a race and by staying home you could easily set fire to your home and have to have the emergency services rescue you.. accidents will happen..
im sure they feel awful.. most outward bound types would "
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This virus brings out the worst in people...they shouldn't have been there according to the government...BUT...listen to people baying for blood over something that could easily happen every day of every year virus or no virus??
People are becoming truly divided to point of hateful tunnel vision. |
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