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COVID-19: WHO team in Wuhan sees data 'no one has seen before' - and does not rule out coronavirus escaped from a lab...
so what happens to china if this is true ?? will the world react ....
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-who-team-in-wuhan-sees-data-no-one-has-seen-before-and-does-not-rule-out-coronavirus-escaped-from-a-lab-12206781 |
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"COVID-19: WHO team in Wuhan sees data 'no one has seen before' - and does not rule out coronavirus escaped from a lab...
so what happens to china if this is true ?? will the world react ....
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-who-team-in-wuhan-sees-data-no-one-has-seen-before-and-does-not-rule-out-coronavirus-escaped-from-a-lab-12206781"
Theres a professor called Brett weinstein, did a podcast with Joe rogan, and in that talk he said what his research has lead him to believe, the virus was created indoors due to it being susceptible to uv |
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I never realized until i saw the news that the lab is literally yards from the livestock market.FFs there is enough bloody room in china to put these places in more remote places rather right in the centre of a city. |
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"COVID-19: WHO team in Wuhan sees data 'no one has seen before' - and does not rule out coronavirus escaped from a lab...
so what happens to china if this is true ?? will the world react ....
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-who-team-in-wuhan-sees-data-no-one-has-seen-before-and-does-not-rule-out-coronavirus-escaped-from-a-lab-12206781
Theres a professor called Brett weinstein, did a podcast with Joe rogan, and in that talk he said what his research has lead him to believe, the virus was created indoors due to it being susceptible to uv"
Joe Rogan who got pulled from YouTube?
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"COVID-19: WHO team in Wuhan sees data 'no one has seen before' - and does not rule out coronavirus escaped from a lab...
so what happens to china if this is true ?? will the world react ....
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-who-team-in-wuhan-sees-data-no-one-has-seen-before-and-does-not-rule-out-coronavirus-escaped-from-a-lab-12206781"
Thing is, if true and he could see it from whatever he studied, a lot of other people would have been able to see it too, and the who would definitely have known. As for what will happen. Nothing. China holds most of the globe in its grip due to what they make for the rest of the world. You may remember under Trumps orders the US ceased trade and manufacture with certain Chinese technology corporations and Britain followed suit. Aside from almost all of the world's phones and computing equipment China manufactures essential infrastructure for power grids and defense technology for large parts of the world. They hold a huge amount of power, and they are also a huge military threat. It will be put down as a simple accident, they will apologise and no further action taken to avoid a war that would make ww2 look like a school yard fight. |
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"COVID-19: WHO team in Wuhan sees data 'no one has seen before' - and does not rule out coronavirus escaped from a lab...
so what happens to china if this is true ?? will the world react ....
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-who-team-in-wuhan-sees-data-no-one-has-seen-before-and-does-not-rule-out-coronavirus-escaped-from-a-lab-12206781
Theres a professor called Brett weinstein, did a podcast with Joe rogan, and in that talk he said what his research has lead him to believe, the virus was created indoors due to it being susceptible to uv
Joe Rogan who got pulled from YouTube?
... Getting pulled from YouTube means you're waaaay out there "
He didn't get pulled from YouTube, he is still on there. He was handed a 100 million deal by Spotify to broadcast his show from there. |
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"COVID-19: WHO team in Wuhan sees data 'no one has seen before' - and does not rule out coronavirus escaped from a lab...
so what happens to china if this is true ?? will the world react ....
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-who-team-in-wuhan-sees-data-no-one-has-seen-before-and-does-not-rule-out-coronavirus-escaped-from-a-lab-12206781
Theres a professor called Brett weinstein, did a podcast with Joe rogan, and in that talk he said what his research has lead him to believe, the virus was created indoors due to it being susceptible to uv
Joe Rogan who got pulled from YouTube?
... Getting pulled from YouTube means you're waaaay out there "
And regardless, even if he had, what does that have to do with what one of his guests said? His guests range from bonkers conspiracy theorists to Bernie Sanders, and a large amount of his guests are accredited experts in their field, biologists, doctors, psychologists, politicians, soldiers, ex police, the list is endless. |
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"COVID-19: WHO team in Wuhan sees data 'no one has seen before' - and does not rule out coronavirus escaped from a lab...
so what happens to china if this is true ?? will the world react ....
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-who-team-in-wuhan-sees-data-no-one-has-seen-before-and-does-not-rule-out-coronavirus-escaped-from-a-lab-12206781
Theres a professor called Brett weinstein, did a podcast with Joe rogan, and in that talk he said what his research has lead him to believe, the virus was created indoors due to it being susceptible to uv
Joe Rogan who got pulled from YouTube?
... Getting pulled from YouTube means you're waaaay out there
He didn't get pulled from YouTube, he is still on there. He was handed a 100 million deal by Spotify to broadcast his show from there. "
My apologies.
I'm suspicious of this scaremongering given the overall lack of virological evidence of human meddling, the similarity between bat viruses in Wuhan caves, etc. |
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"COVID-19: WHO team in Wuhan sees data 'no one has seen before' - and does not rule out coronavirus escaped from a lab...
so what happens to china if this is true ?? will the world react ....
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-who-team-in-wuhan-sees-data-no-one-has-seen-before-and-does-not-rule-out-coronavirus-escaped-from-a-lab-12206781
Theres a professor called Brett weinstein, did a podcast with Joe rogan, and in that talk he said what his research has lead him to believe, the virus was created indoors due to it being susceptible to uv
Joe Rogan who got pulled from YouTube?
... Getting pulled from YouTube means you're waaaay out there
He didn't get pulled from YouTube, he is still on there. He was handed a 100 million deal by Spotify to broadcast his show from there.
My apologies.
I'm suspicious of this scaremongering given the overall lack of virological evidence of human meddling, the similarity between bat viruses in Wuhan caves, etc."
Yeah, thats understandable, weinstein however is very far from a scaremonger type guy, he was just talking from what his understanding indicated to him. |
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Quote from the WHO party:
"We're all aware of the hypotheses around the potential involvement of the lab in this and we're certainly going to ask questions about all of the key aspects of the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
"If there are data that point towards any hypothesis, we'll follow the data, we'll follow the evidence where it leads us. If it leads us to a seafood market and a cold chain, we'll follow it there.
"If it leads us to a wildlife farm or a wildlife market we'll go there. If it leads us to a lab we'll go there. Everything's on the table and we're keeping an open mind."
Otherwise known as "we're doing this scientifically and are not trying to second guess". Let's wait and see what they come up with before getting our "lab escape" knickers in a twist. |
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"Quote from the WHO party:
"We're all aware of the hypotheses around the potential involvement of the lab in this and we're certainly going to ask questions about all of the key aspects of the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
"If there are data that point towards any hypothesis, we'll follow the data, we'll follow the evidence where it leads us. If it leads us to a seafood market and a cold chain, we'll follow it there.
"If it leads us to a wildlife farm or a wildlife market we'll go there. If it leads us to a lab we'll go there. Everything's on the table and we're keeping an open mind."
Otherwise known as "we're doing this scientifically and are not trying to second guess". Let's wait and see what they come up with before getting our "lab escape" knickers in a twist."
Yeah, this is science-ese for "we don't know and we'll do this fairly" not "we think the lab thing has merit". |
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China has a history of poor biosecurity in its labs. Outbreaks of SARs were proven to have come from students infected at labs who then left the lab undetected.
It's a lab that is named The Wuhan Institute of Virology... Within walking distance of the wet market in question.
Eating bat in China is quite regional, I not sure Wuhan is one of those areas.
Out of the 11 countries in South East Asia, only Singapore does not hunt bats for human consumption, it's most prevalent in the Philippines and Indonesia. What if anything is China doing differently from the rest of SE Asia? I'm guessing it maybe the bio labs... |
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It's the only conspiracy theory that makes any sense, that either the virus was created in a Chinese lab and either released on purpose in 'revenge' for the world's stance on Huawei and 5g infrastructure. Or that it accidentally escaped the lab.
It's logical when compared to 5g towers causing it, bill gates' masterplan, a global conspiracy of nations including Israel, Iran, China, Russia, usa tanking their economies to make us wear masks to gain control over the masses. |
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And where did the lab get it from, the moon. China keep bringing shit back from the moon. They bloody sent a probe there again before Christmas and no one stopped them not even NASA who knew about the virus since 69.
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"COVID-19: WHO team in Wuhan sees data 'no one has seen before' - and does not rule out coronavirus escaped from a lab...
so what happens to china if this is true ?? will the world react ....
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-who-team-in-wuhan-sees-data-no-one-has-seen-before-and-does-not-rule-out-coronavirus-escaped-from-a-lab-12206781"
The who team will see what the Chinese want them to see over a year after this started. |
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I agree with that last comment. It’s nice to know the WHO is investigating, but why is anyone (even swingers in a forum) impelled to defend the possibility that it wasn’t the fault of China? Let’s just be honest here and agree that they aren’t investing in Kentucky, or Brisbane, or Aberdeen are they? It’s from China and it’s history has already been manipulated and will continue to be manipulated. |
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"COVID-19: WHO team in Wuhan sees data 'no one has seen before' - and does not rule out coronavirus escaped from a lab...
so what happens to china if this is true ?? will the world react ....
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-who-team-in-wuhan-sees-data-no-one-has-seen-before-and-does-not-rule-out-coronavirus-escaped-from-a-lab-12206781
Theres a professor called Brett weinstein, did a podcast with Joe rogan, and in that talk he said what his research has lead him to believe, the virus was created indoors due to it being susceptible to uv
Joe Rogan who got pulled from YouTube?
... Getting pulled from YouTube means you're waaaay out there "
Joe has never been pulled from YouTube. He took an exclusive deal from spotify. |
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As for the escaping from a lab thing. Its been plausible from the beginning. Just happens to be a high level lab that has history of working on viruses, including SARS in the city that the virus emerges. Its not a stretch that it escapes
People throw the words conspiracy theorists around so much and use it dismiss anything that goes against the official narrative, yet a lot of them turn out to have some weight behind them. On the other hand, some are totally batshit crazy  but we still shouldn't tar everything with the same brush. |
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Yhe inspectors only got a stage managed visit, so it's unlikely that anything will be so revelatory that anything will happen much. There are certain things that would benefit the world, if they were to happen there but they would require a change in ideology that's not happening anytime soon.
It's better for the WHO to maintain a close relationship with Chris, to support good dialogue.
It was ascertained early on that the virus was naturally occurring and not lab created. What needs to change, which is not exclusive to China, is our intrusion in to and destruction of wildlife ecosystems. This has huge costs for the wellbeing and survival of much of life on earth |
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I've seen no more compelling evidence that the three videos from a lab technician in Wouhan lab that said he was silenced when it happened but because of the severity of the virus and knowledge of how it will spread without being stopped had to speak out to warn the world. He sent the videos from his flat on his phone. He died of it about 4 weeks after it had escaped. In his last video you could see he was suffering with respiratory issues. I'm trying to source them again. |
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"Yhe inspectors only got a stage managed visit, so it's unlikely that anything will be so revelatory that anything will happen much. There are certain things that would benefit the world, if they were to happen there but they would require a change in ideology that's not happening anytime soon.
It's better for the WHO to maintain a close relationship with Chris, to support good dialogue.
It was ascertained early on that the virus was naturally occurring and not lab created. What needs to change, which is not exclusive to China, is our intrusion in to and destruction of wildlife ecosystems. This has huge costs for the wellbeing and survival of much of life on earth "
I fully support what you say about their need to maintain a close relationship with China. There are huge far reaching ramifications to the rest of the world if they don't.
I don't agree that it was ascertained early on that it was not from the lab, that is what China wanted so it didn't point to any of their direct involvement, simple convenient deflection. If it was the case they would have had the complelling evidence at hand early on and it would have been corroborated and no need for the WHO to go in least of all to visit the lab. |
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Joe Rogan who got pulled from YouTube?
... Getting pulled from YouTube means you're waaaay out there "
Joe Rogan didn't get pulled from youtube. His videos clips are still on their. The only reason he no longer post full lenght videos is that he signed deal with Spotify |
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Joe Rogan who got pulled from YouTube?
... Getting pulled from YouTube means you're waaaay out there
Joe Rogan didn't get pulled from youtube. His videos clips are still on their. The only reason he no longer post full lenght videos is that he signed deal with Spotify"
And I said I was mistaken. Ta. |
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It may be the choice of words, or it may be the way our media has broken "the story", or it may be the way the who have broken the story but....
Is it not the case that the only reason we knew of this, when we knew of this was the Chinese scientist who broke it to the outside world by recording a video on his phone and who later was found dead. Why anyone thinks that a year further on the who team will find and "see data nobody else has seen yet" all within a few days of arriving is quite a stretch. |
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"It may be the choice of words, or it may be the way our media has broken "the story", or it may be the way the who have broken the story but....
Is it not the case that the only reason we knew of this, when we knew of this was the Chinese scientist who broke it to the outside world by recording a video on his phone and who later was found dead. Why anyone thinks that a year further on the who team will find and "see data nobody else has seen yet" all within a few days of arriving is quite a stretch. "
It's politics and required protocol. They have to be seen to be doing something by ALL sides. The boxes will all be ticked and then filed. The files will be available when the dust settles and another distraction is around. |
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"It may be the choice of words, or it may be the way our media has broken "the story", or it may be the way the who have broken the story but....
Is it not the case that the only reason we knew of this, when we knew of this was the Chinese scientist who broke it to the outside world by recording a video on his phone and who later was found dead. Why anyone thinks that a year further on the who team will find and "see data nobody else has seen yet" all within a few days of arriving is quite a stretch.
It's politics and required protocol. They have to be seen to be doing something by ALL sides. The boxes will all be ticked and then filed. The files will be available when the dust settles and another distraction is around."
No doubt all in a box file labelled "unseen data for the attention of the top WHO scientists shhhhh"
And to think trump was slaughtered for daring to suggest the Who weren't as effective as they should be. |
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Even if it did "Escape" from a lab and this looking more likely as we learn more it shouldn't be used as a excuse ( and it will be tried and spewed out by the so called mass media/backers/donors)by the totally woeful response of Boris & co and his bumbling populists !! and we've had the "Blame" gang in power now for 9 plus long horrific years and the blame for all the deaths and mayhem and utter chaos lies firmly at their collective door ! and China can do what it wants and does so BUT it's our so called governments 1st job is to do their utmost to keep us mere mortals fairly safe and in that they have failed miserably and years ago when i was in school i was taught that any society can judge itself and it's success as a society in how it protects and treats the most vulnerable in society ?? and sadly we now judge our success on how many billionaires/millionaires there are ??
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China has a number of caves laden with SARS related bat coronaviruses. Not because China is bad, because *shrug* mother nature.
My understanding is that WHO tried to find the best middle path between getting information and pissing China off, because more of those viruses may yet come out. Whether I agree with China's secrecy or not - I do not - WHO couldn't go in all guns blazing, that would threaten any future relationship.
We also forget that China actually had the system in place to go "oh shit, this might be something we've not seen before", and identified then sequenced this new thing.
Does China hold some blame, particularly at a pivotal time between epidemic and pandemic? Yes.
Blaming China entirely won't fix anything - it'll probably make it worse if there are future pandemics out of China.
We should fix up our own mess and then look at how to proceed globally, for the benefit of everyone. Including in preparing for the next new virus. |
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"Even if it did "Escape" from a lab and this looking more likely as we learn more it shouldn't be used as a excuse ( and it will be tried and spewed out by the so called mass media/backers/donors)by the totally woeful response of Boris & co and his bumbling populists !! and we've had the "Blame" gang in power now for 9 plus long horrific years and the blame for all the deaths and mayhem and utter chaos lies firmly at their collective door ! and China can do what it wants and does so BUT it's our so called governments 1st job is to do their utmost to keep us mere mortals fairly safe and in that they have failed miserably and years ago when i was in school i was taught that any society can judge itself and it's success as a society in how it protects and treats the most vulnerable in society ?? and sadly we now judge our success on how many billionaires/millionaires there are ??
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Absolutely agree.
The disaster in the UK and the US is not the fault of China. |
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"Even if it did "Escape" from a lab and this looking more likely as we learn more it shouldn't be used as a excuse ( and it will be tried and spewed out by the so called mass media/backers/donors)by the totally woeful response of Boris & co and his bumbling populists !! and we've had the "Blame" gang in power now for 9 plus long horrific years and the blame for all the deaths and mayhem and utter chaos lies firmly at their collective door ! and China can do what it wants and does so BUT it's our so called governments 1st job is to do their utmost to keep us mere mortals fairly safe and in that they have failed miserably and years ago when i was in school i was taught that any society can judge itself and it's success as a society in how it protects and treats the most vulnerable in society ?? and sadly we now judge our success on how many billionaires/millionaires there are ??
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Your comment kinda falls flat when you say don't blame, but the next paragraph is about blaming Boris and government here for the spread of it and the deaths.
Maybe if people had adhered to the restrictions of social distancing, wear masks where they should, reduce all out if house movement to essential only. If covidiots stopped looking for ways to get around the regulations and then look for sympathetic support on forums with people who share no responsibility if that person goes out and spreads and infects and then causes someone to die as a direct result.
It's the actions taken by people NOT adhere to the restrictions that has caused most of the spread, the rise, the bear collapse of the NHS, the continuation of restrictions, and therefore contributing to the loss of in particular small businesses all over.
Boris and the government can implement whatever they like but it's by whom how it's adhered to or taken up where the responsibility lies. |
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"either way, this does not excuse this governments woeful inadequacies and exacerbating the situation over the last year "
Yup yup yup.
I think New Zealand can probably place most of the blame on China or WHO for their death toll.
So, adjust for UK population, maybe double it because I'm generous to the Tories like that.
Anything else is on us  |
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one of the few things Trump said that was correct. The WHO are in Chinas pocket so I doubt anything will become of the data and no doubt China will continue to lie and cover up the truth as they have done since December 2019 when as we all know they could have stopped Covid leaving their country! |
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"China has a number of caves laden with SARS related bat coronaviruses. Not because China is bad, because *shrug* mother nature.
My understanding is that WHO tried to find the best middle path between getting information and pissing China off, because more of those viruses may yet come out. Whether I agree with China's secrecy or not - I do not - WHO couldn't go in all guns blazing, that would threaten any future relationship.
We also forget that China actually had the system in place to go "oh shit, this might be something we've not seen before", and identified then sequenced this new thing.
Does China hold some blame, particularly at a pivotal time between epidemic and pandemic? Yes.
Blaming China entirely won't fix anything - it'll probably make it worse if there are future pandemics out of China.
We should fix up our own mess and then look at how to proceed globally, for the benefit of everyone. Including in preparing for the next new virus."
It would be a big step if people stopped feeding the beast too. Stop buying stuff from china. Make the right choice not the easy choice. |
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"China has a number of caves laden with SARS related bat coronaviruses. Not because China is bad, because *shrug* mother nature.
My understanding is that WHO tried to find the best middle path between getting information and pissing China off, because more of those viruses may yet come out. Whether I agree with China's secrecy or not - I do not - WHO couldn't go in all guns blazing, that would threaten any future relationship.
We also forget that China actually had the system in place to go "oh shit, this might be something we've not seen before", and identified then sequenced this new thing.
Does China hold some blame, particularly at a pivotal time between epidemic and pandemic? Yes.
Blaming China entirely won't fix anything - it'll probably make it worse if there are future pandemics out of China.
We should fix up our own mess and then look at how to proceed globally, for the benefit of everyone. Including in preparing for the next new virus.
It would be a big step if people stopped feeding the beast too. Stop buying stuff from china. Make the right choice not the easy choice. "
Two separate issues.
The economic growth of China and the threat of China to global health. The SARS related viruses in China in bats continue to exist.
It's in our interest to tread carefully. I'm not saying I think China is a good faith global actor! But some diplomacy won't go astray, because if the next Disease X comes from China, we don't want China to say "fuck off, figure it out on your own". |
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And well they are sort of in charge ?? and despite warning about just everything they ignored all the warnings and even big red flags ...99% of experts all agree we were to late in acting and doing the 1st lock down...came out the 1st lockdown to early...eat out to help was warned against ...to late again going in to the 2nd lock down...knew about the new variant in november but failed to act ..failed to act on a circuit breaker lockdown...the list of failures is ... |
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"And well they are sort of in charge ?? and despite warning about just everything they ignored all the warnings and even big red flags ...99% of experts all agree we were to late in acting and doing the 1st lock down...came out the 1st lockdown to early...eat out to help was warned against ...to late again going in to the 2nd lock down...knew about the new variant in november but failed to act ..failed to act on a circuit breaker lockdown...the list of failures is ..."
I think a lot of people don't want to look closer to home.
Blame is multifaceted here, but we should deal with the log in our country's eye. |
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"100% agree it was the perfect storm really ..Boris playing the "Don't believe the experts...YOU know better .." and then he was left with... "
I think it leads to lots of people trying to find out on their own. Which has led to a fucking mess. |
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Yep ...everyone is a expert now on just about everything !! and think it was Boris's hero...who said ..be slow in claiming all the glory ...as then you have to accept all the blame !! or words to that affect or might not have even been him lol |
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"China has a number of caves laden with SARS related bat coronaviruses. Not because China is bad, because *shrug* mother nature.
My understanding is that WHO tried to find the best middle path between getting information and pissing China off, because more of those viruses may yet come out. Whether I agree with China's secrecy or not - I do not - WHO couldn't go in all guns blazing, that would threaten any future relationship.
We also forget that China actually had the system in place to go "oh shit, this might be something we've not seen before", and identified then sequenced this new thing.
Does China hold some blame, particularly at a pivotal time between epidemic and pandemic? Yes.
Blaming China entirely won't fix anything - it'll probably make it worse if there are future pandemics out of China.
We should fix up our own mess and then look at how to proceed globally, for the benefit of everyone. Including in preparing for the next new virus.
It would be a big step if people stopped feeding the beast too. Stop buying stuff from china. Make the right choice not the easy choice.
Two separate issues.
The economic growth of China and the threat of China to global health. The SARS related viruses in China in bats continue to exist.
It's in our interest to tread carefully. I'm not saying I think China is a good faith global actor! But some diplomacy won't go astray, because if the next Disease X comes from China, we don't want China to say "fuck off, figure it out on your own"."
Diplomacy...now there's an interesting concept. The practice of diplomacy seems to have disappeared along with those skilled in its succesful practice. Not entirely sure what happens instead but it does seem that dollars trump (no pun intended) diplomacy in all paradigms. And that's not just at global leader level but at an individual level where we are driven by the cost and ease of everything above the value and consequences. The public get what the public want and right now cheap and easy is right. |
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Diplomacy...now there's an interesting concept. The practice of diplomacy seems to have disappeared along with those skilled in its succesful practice. Not entirely sure what happens instead but it does seem that dollars trump (no pun intended) diplomacy in all paradigms. And that's not just at global leader level but at an individual level where we are driven by the cost and ease of everything above the value and consequences. The public get what the public want and right now cheap and easy is right. "
Money will factor into all things.
You may of course spend money as you choose, I try to spend ethically where I can.
But for the purposes of "where did this virus come from" and "will we face future threats?" it's not in our interest to piss China off too much. You know? |
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"100% agree it was the perfect storm really ..Boris playing the "Don't believe the experts...YOU know better .." and then he was left with... "
We have differening opinion s and that is fine. But whilst you appear to blame an individual for pretty much everything in the last 9 years. Do you not feel that individuals must be responsible for the consequences of their actions? If one person must be responsible for their actions, should not another also be responsible for their actions? |
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"I never realized until i saw the news that the lab is literally yards from the livestock market.FFs there is enough bloody room in china to put these places in more remote places rather right in the centre of a city. "
did you not see the documentary on itv, the lab is right besides the market
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"100% agree it was the perfect storm really ..Boris playing the "Don't believe the experts...YOU know better .." and then he was left with...
We have differening opinion s and that is fine. But whilst you appear to blame an individual for pretty much everything in the last 9 years. Do you not feel that individuals must be responsible for the consequences of their actions? If one person must be responsible for their actions, should not another also be responsible for their actions? "
I think that the Tories must accept that with power comes responsibility, including being held accountable.
That is not to the exclusion of looking to personal responsibility or global events. But the "poor government, how could they know any better" routine is a touch tiresome. They're a long serving government in a first world country, not a nursery class. |
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I don't blame "Boris" for everything and the reason we are in this mess is down to the party he now leads ?? and i'm all taking personal responsibility and have ( my mother died last year and i couldn't/wouldn't attend her funeral)and then i see a certain Mr cummings ?? who i might add travelled a whole lot further than i would have to attend the funeral ?? and sometimes being a leader is about making the very tough decisions ?? and the last 9 years has seen cuts in just about everything we now need to either combat this and recover from this but i guess it fair game for the con jobs to blame just about everyone & everything for the mess they have created ?? |
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"COVID-19: WHO team in Wuhan sees data 'no one has seen before' - and does not rule out coronavirus escaped from a lab...
so what happens to china if this is true ?? will the world react ....
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-who-team-in-wuhan-sees-data-no-one-has-seen-before-and-does-not-rule-out-coronavirus-escaped-from-a-lab-12206781
Theres a professor called Brett weinstein, did a podcast with Joe rogan, and in that talk he said what his research has lead him to believe, the virus was created indoors due to it being susceptible to uv"
LOL i was literally just about to post in this thread about that podcast. Him and his brother are super interesting people tbf |
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"COVID-19: WHO team in Wuhan sees data 'no one has seen before' - and does not rule out coronavirus escaped from a lab...
so what happens to china if this is true ?? will the world react ....
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-who-team-in-wuhan-sees-data-no-one-has-seen-before-and-does-not-rule-out-coronavirus-escaped-from-a-lab-12206781
Theres a professor called Brett weinstein, did a podcast with Joe rogan, and in that talk he said what his research has lead him to believe, the virus was created indoors due to it being susceptible to uv
Joe Rogan who got pulled from YouTube?
... Getting pulled from YouTube means you're waaaay out there "
What are you on about?
He moved to spotify with an exclusivity deal.
The Podcast in question is with Bret Weinstein who is biologist and evolutionary theorist from Evergreen College |
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"100% agree it was the perfect storm really ..Boris playing the "Don't believe the experts...YOU know better .." and then he was left with...
We have differening opinion s and that is fine. But whilst you appear to blame an individual for pretty much everything in the last 9 years. Do you not feel that individuals must be responsible for the consequences of their actions? If one person must be responsible for their actions, should not another also be responsible for their actions?
I think that the Tories must accept that with power comes responsibility, including being held accountable.
That is not to the exclusion of looking to personal responsibility or global events. But the "poor government, how could they know any better" routine is a touch tiresome. They're a long serving government in a first world country, not a nursery class."
Well maybe they are serving a nursery class and if so then I'd concede the higher responsibility, however I try and give more credit to the general public who should take the majority of the responsibility for the spread and death toll we have.
Sadly few want to accept that responsibility as it's rather damming and too close to home. But when you saw the way the general public tried to find every excuse to get around the restrictions I see little but blatant selfish individuals who care little about others except when it's their immediate family go gets caught.
Till people take responsibility and ownership for their choices in their actions then and only then will I listen to blaming government. |
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"100% agree it was the perfect storm really ..Boris playing the "Don't believe the experts...YOU know better .." and then he was left with...
We have differening opinion s and that is fine. But whilst you appear to blame an individual for pretty much everything in the last 9 years. Do you not feel that individuals must be responsible for the consequences of their actions? If one person must be responsible for their actions, should not another also be responsible for their actions?
I think that the Tories must accept that with power comes responsibility, including being held accountable.
That is not to the exclusion of looking to personal responsibility or global events. But the "poor government, how could they know any better" routine is a touch tiresome. They're a long serving government in a first world country, not a nursery class.
Well maybe they are serving a nursery class and if so then I'd concede the higher responsibility, however I try and give more credit to the general public who should take the majority of the responsibility for the spread and death toll we have.
Sadly few want to accept that responsibility as it's rather damming and too close to home. But when you saw the way the general public tried to find every excuse to get around the restrictions I see little but blatant selfish individuals who care little about others except when it's their immediate family go gets caught.
Till people take responsibility and ownership for their choices in their actions then and only then will I listen to blaming government."
Ok.
I can quite literally do no more to stop the spread myself
I get to blame others. |
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"100% agree it was the perfect storm really ..Boris playing the "Don't believe the experts...YOU know better .." and then he was left with...
We have differening opinion s and that is fine. But whilst you appear to blame an individual for pretty much everything in the last 9 years. Do you not feel that individuals must be responsible for the consequences of their actions? If one person must be responsible for their actions, should not another also be responsible for their actions?
I think that the Tories must accept that with power comes responsibility, including being held accountable.
That is not to the exclusion of looking to personal responsibility or global events. But the "poor government, how could they know any better" routine is a touch tiresome. They're a long serving government in a first world country, not a nursery class."
He has said on countless times he takes responsibility.
Sadly we all know he doesnt know the meaning of the world.
The great success of the vaccine will be used as a convenient reason to negate everything that has gone before.
There is a video going round showing the timeline of the schools fiasco which is borderline criminal.
Sadly however as we have seen in recent weeks how easily it is to shift the blame onto the people.
You know the ones who have been made to go into work,or school, or turfed into nursing homes.
It's very subtle but you can see how easily it works. |
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What is the job of the government if it's not to make society level management decisions?
Why is it wrong to examine whether these decisions have been well executed?
Why can the government - who do consult psychologists and media experts - not consider the likely responses of the public when deciding how to act?
Why are individual responsibility and government accountability mutually exclusive?
Why do we need to coddle and defend these incompetent buffoons? |
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Well i for one didn't think that a government would get away with what they have and have us all turning on each other and sadly that's what happens when all the so called ministers in charge are only there because they have swore allegiance to ..instead of..and when ideology trumps facts... |
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"China has a number of caves laden with SARS related bat coronaviruses. Not because China is bad, because *shrug* mother nature.
My understanding is that WHO tried to find the best middle path between getting information and pissing China off, because more of those viruses may yet come out. Whether I agree with China's secrecy or not - I do not - WHO couldn't go in all guns blazing, that would threaten any future relationship.
We also forget that China actually had the system in place to go "oh shit, this might be something we've not seen before", and identified then sequenced this new thing.
Does China hold some blame, particularly at a pivotal time between epidemic and pandemic? Yes.
Blaming China entirely won't fix anything - it'll probably make it worse if there are future pandemics out of China.
We should fix up our own mess and then look at how to proceed globally, for the benefit of everyone. Including in preparing for the next new virus.
It would be a big step if people stopped feeding the beast too. Stop buying stuff from china. Make the right choice not the easy choice.
Two separate issues.
The economic growth of China and the threat of China to global health. The SARS related viruses in China in bats continue to exist.
It's in our interest to tread carefully. I'm not saying I think China is a good faith global actor! But some diplomacy won't go astray, because if the next Disease X comes from China, we don't want China to say "fuck off, figure it out on your own".
Diplomacy...now there's an interesting concept. The practice of diplomacy seems to have disappeared along with those skilled in its succesful practice. Not entirely sure what happens instead but it does seem that dollars trump (no pun intended) diplomacy in all paradigms. And that's not just at global leader level but at an individual level where we are driven by the cost and ease of everything above the value and consequences. The public get what the public want and right now cheap and easy is right. "
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"Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson...just leave it here ..sums it up really ..
He didn't choose his name."
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i wasn't being critical...just that a man who has made such a act of being all blokey...enjoys a pint with the lads ..just like us ..messes up his hair to look more ..is lumbered with such a name .. |
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"i wasn't being critical...just that a man who has made such a act of being all blokey...enjoys a pint with the lads ..just like us ..messes up his hair to look more ..is lumbered with such a name .. "
Let's not. Completely unnecessary.
My name sucks too. It's not my fault. |
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"100% agree it was the perfect storm really ..Boris playing the "Don't believe the experts...YOU know better .." and then he was left with...
We have differening opinion s and that is fine. But whilst you appear to blame an individual for pretty much everything in the last 9 years. Do you not feel that individuals must be responsible for the consequences of their actions? If one person must be responsible for their actions, should not another also be responsible for their actions?
I think that the Tories must accept that with power comes responsibility, including being held accountable.
That is not to the exclusion of looking to personal responsibility or global events. But the "poor government, how could they know any better" routine is a touch tiresome. They're a long serving government in a first world country, not a nursery class."
Again we have differing opinions and that is fine. I think "the tories" or the democratically elected govt, do take responsibility for what they are responsible for. No disagreement there. Where we seem to differ is that individuals need to take responsibility for their actions too. Many on these threads seem to point the finger of blame at others and yet dial to take responsibility for the very things they have absolute control over.... Their own actions. |
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"100% agree it was the perfect storm really ..Boris playing the "Don't believe the experts...YOU know better .." and then he was left with...
We have differening opinion s and that is fine. But whilst you appear to blame an individual for pretty much everything in the last 9 years. Do you not feel that individuals must be responsible for the consequences of their actions? If one person must be responsible for their actions, should not another also be responsible for their actions?
I think that the Tories must accept that with power comes responsibility, including being held accountable.
That is not to the exclusion of looking to personal responsibility or global events. But the "poor government, how could they know any better" routine is a touch tiresome. They're a long serving government in a first world country, not a nursery class.
Again we have differing opinions and that is fine. I think "the tories" or the democratically elected govt, do take responsibility for what they are responsible for. No disagreement there. Where we seem to differ is that individuals need to take responsibility for their actions too. Many on these threads seem to point the finger of blame at others and yet dial to take responsibility for the very things they have absolute control over.... Their own actions. "
"That is not to the exclusion of looking to personal responsibility or global events."
My first, middle, and final question is "what can I do to help?" |
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Quite agree and our block list has grown due to people asking for a meet during all the lock downs !! and it's blame culture now it seems though and watch any kind of news or current affairs and it will be full of people trying to shift the blame for their bad decisions we all make them but sadly some don't seem to have any kind of learning curve nowadays or what was classed as common sense |
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"I don't blame "Boris" for everything and the reason we are in this mess is down to the party he now leads ?? and i'm all taking personal responsibility and have ( my mother died last year and i couldn't/wouldn't attend her funeral)and then i see a certain Mr cummings ?? who i might add travelled a whole lot further than i would have to attend the funeral ?? and sometimes being a leader is about making the very tough decisions ?? and the last 9 years has seen cuts in just about everything we now need to either combat this and recover from this but i guess it fair game for the con jobs to blame just about everyone & everything for the mess they have created ?? "
And I agree with some of that...but the tired old mantra that all we've had is cuts for 9 years. Ie the budget is less now than in was 9 years ago is absurd.
If we follow these threads we need to spend more on...
Defence
Police
Nhs
Welfare
Border force
Nursing
Teachers
Education
Transport trains and roads
And probably more besides...
So I just wonder where the money to fund all of the increases will come from...
Now I'm not saying a case can't be made for any or even all of the above. But my point is, we have to have a realistic expectation of what we are all prepared to fund. Ultimately it is our money that we are giving to a govt to spend on our behalf. |
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"I don't blame "Boris" for everything and the reason we are in this mess is down to the party he now leads ?? and i'm all taking personal responsibility and have ( my mother died last year and i couldn't/wouldn't attend her funeral)and then i see a certain Mr cummings ?? who i might add travelled a whole lot further than i would have to attend the funeral ?? and sometimes being a leader is about making the very tough decisions ?? and the last 9 years has seen cuts in just about everything we now need to either combat this and recover from this but i guess it fair game for the con jobs to blame just about everyone & everything for the mess they have created ??
And I agree with some of that...but the tired old mantra that all we've had is cuts for 9 years. Ie the budget is less now than in was 9 years ago is absurd.
If we follow these threads we need to spend more on...
Defence
Police
Nhs
Welfare
Border force
Nursing
Teachers
Education
Transport trains and roads
And probably more besides...
So I just wonder where the money to fund all of the increases will come from...
Now I'm not saying a case can't be made for any or even all of the above. But my point is, we have to have a realistic expectation of what we are all prepared to fund. Ultimately it is our money that we are giving to a govt to spend on our behalf. "
The 11b they gave to their friends would be a start
Defence is a separate issue..look at the money that's spent on the likes of trident.
Maybe close a few tax loopholes? |
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If we want to discuss the Tories as a whole, it's probably another topic.
Why can we blame China, blame each other, but any talk of holding the government to account receives cries of outrage? Why are they immune from criticism from the repeated mistakes they have made? |
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And again i agree it is a endless mantra and it's down to what we value most as a society and not what we think sounds great and most importantly what it is ok to make a profit out of ?? and we as a nation should take some some of the blame for not asking the difficult questions of our leaders ?? |
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over a year ago
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"I dont really trust the WHO I wont get fooled again
Haha beautiful... I can't explain why I found that funny. My generation found there's no substitute for humour "
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"I don't blame "Boris" for everything and the reason we are in this mess is down to the party he now leads ?? and i'm all taking personal responsibility and have ( my mother died last year and i couldn't/wouldn't attend her funeral)and then i see a certain Mr cummings ?? who i might add travelled a whole lot further than i would have to attend the funeral ?? and sometimes being a leader is about making the very tough decisions ?? and the last 9 years has seen cuts in just about everything we now need to either combat this and recover from this but i guess it fair game for the con jobs to blame just about everyone & everything for the mess they have created ??
And I agree with some of that...but the tired old mantra that all we've had is cuts for 9 years. Ie the budget is less now than in was 9 years ago is absurd.
If we follow these threads we need to spend more on...
Defence
Police
Nhs
Welfare
Border force
Nursing
Teachers
Education
Transport trains and roads
And probably more besides...
So I just wonder where the money to fund all of the increases will come from...
Now I'm not saying a case can't be made for any or even all of the above. But my point is, we have to have a realistic expectation of what we are all prepared to fund. Ultimately it is our money that we are giving to a govt to spend on our behalf.
The 11b they gave to their friends would be a start
Defence is a separate issue..look at the money that's spent on the likes of trident.
Maybe close a few tax loopholes?"
100% agree... We need to make it so much harder for the dodgy deals and where they are proven need to find a legal way to reclaim what can be reclaimed... That's a disgusting behaviour that destroys credibility. It happens on all sides but agree this lot have been especially questionable. |
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"If we want to discuss the Tories as a whole, it's probably another topic.
Why can we blame China, blame each other, but any talk of holding the government to account receives cries of outrage? Why are they immune from criticism from the repeated mistakes they have made?"
They aren't. They should be held to account...not sure I've seen anyone anywhere saying they should get a free pass. They should also be praised or at least recognised for getting some stuff right... When they get some stuff right. As should everyone. The constant one sided negativity and finger pointing has become a national obsession. |
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"I don't blame "Boris" for everything and the reason we are in this mess is down to the party he now leads ?? and i'm all taking personal responsibility and have ( my mother died last year and i couldn't/wouldn't attend her funeral)and then i see a certain Mr cummings ?? who i might add travelled a whole lot further than i would have to attend the funeral ?? and sometimes being a leader is about making the very tough decisions ?? and the last 9 years has seen cuts in just about everything we now need to either combat this and recover from this but i guess it fair game for the con jobs to blame just about everyone & everything for the mess they have created ??
And I agree with some of that...but the tired old mantra that all we've had is cuts for 9 years. Ie the budget is less now than in was 9 years ago is absurd.
If we follow these threads we need to spend more on...
Defence
Police
Nhs
Welfare
Border force
Nursing
Teachers
Education
Transport trains and roads
And probably more besides...
So I just wonder where the money to fund all of the increases will come from...
Now I'm not saying a case can't be made for any or even all of the above. But my point is, we have to have a realistic expectation of what we are all prepared to fund. Ultimately it is our money that we are giving to a govt to spend on our behalf.
The 11b they gave to their friends would be a start
Defence is a separate issue..look at the money that's spent on the likes of trident.
Maybe close a few tax loopholes?
100% agree... We need to make it so much harder for the dodgy deals and where they are proven need to find a legal way to reclaim what can be reclaimed... That's a disgusting behaviour that destroys credibility. It happens on all sides but agree this lot have been especially questionable. "
I know its getting into politics and I'm in ecomonost but surely if you create jobs that means more people spending money,paying taxes etc.
Anyway that's going off topic. |
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"If we want to discuss the Tories as a whole, it's probably another topic.
Why can we blame China, blame each other, but any talk of holding the government to account receives cries of outrage? Why are they immune from criticism from the repeated mistakes they have made?
They aren't. They should be held to account...not sure I've seen anyone anywhere saying they should get a free pass. They should also be praised or at least recognised for getting some stuff right... When they get some stuff right. As should everyone. The constant one sided negativity and finger pointing has become a national obsession. "
I see very very little to praise them for at the moment. Even the vaccination, we've got one of the lowest full vaccination rates in the league and are performing an unauthorised experiment with the Pfizer vaccine. |
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"And again i agree it is a endless mantra and it's down to what we value most as a society and not what we think sounds great and most importantly what it is ok to make a profit out of ?? and we as a nation should take some some of the blame for not asking the difficult questions of our leaders ?? "
I think you are right... But I also think politics and governance has been dummed down to an extent again, where the public gets what the public wants. Most politicians and debates are puny in comparison to some of the passionate politicians who had values and stuck to them. Now it's a race for the populist vote, making the easy choice and not the right choice. Self interest rules everything. The elected opposition and the 2nd House should be holding the govt to account. But the x factor type political populism has lead us to shooting star politicians who are famous for 5 minutes, make a silly mistake like a misstep and there is no forgiveness, they must resign and disappear forever and replaced by the next lightweight virgin with no relevant skills or experience. People learn from making mistakes so we should be more judicious about throwing them out. |
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"I don't blame "Boris" for everything and the reason we are in this mess is down to the party he now leads ?? and i'm all taking personal responsibility and have ( my mother died last year and i couldn't/wouldn't attend her funeral)and then i see a certain Mr cummings ?? who i might add travelled a whole lot further than i would have to attend the funeral ?? and sometimes being a leader is about making the very tough decisions ?? and the last 9 years has seen cuts in just about everything we now need to either combat this and recover from this but i guess it fair game for the con jobs to blame just about everyone & everything for the mess they have created ??
And I agree with some of that...but the tired old mantra that all we've had is cuts for 9 years. Ie the budget is less now than in was 9 years ago is absurd.
If we follow these threads we need to spend more on...
Defence
Police
Nhs
Welfare
Border force
Nursing
Teachers
Education
Transport trains and roads
And probably more besides...
So I just wonder where the money to fund all of the increases will come from...
Now I'm not saying a case can't be made for any or even all of the above. But my point is, we have to have a realistic expectation of what we are all prepared to fund. Ultimately it is our money that we are giving to a govt to spend on our behalf.
The 11b they gave to their friends would be a start
Defence is a separate issue..look at the money that's spent on the likes of trident.
Maybe close a few tax loopholes?
100% agree... We need to make it so much harder for the dodgy deals and where they are proven need to find a legal way to reclaim what can be reclaimed... That's a disgusting behaviour that destroys credibility. It happens on all sides but agree this lot have been especially questionable.
I know its getting into politics and I'm in ecomonost but surely if you create jobs that means more people spending money,paying taxes etc.
Anyway that's going off topic."
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"And again i agree it is a endless mantra and it's down to what we value most as a society and not what we think sounds great and most importantly what it is ok to make a profit out of ?? and we as a nation should take some some of the blame for not asking the difficult questions of our leaders ??
I think you are right... But I also think politics and governance has been dummed down to an extent again, where the public gets what the public wants. Most politicians and debates are puny in comparison to some of the passionate politicians who had values and stuck to them. Now it's a race for the populist vote, making the easy choice and not the right choice. Self interest rules everything. The elected opposition and the 2nd House should be holding the govt to account. But the x factor type political populism has lead us to shooting star politicians who are famous for 5 minutes, make a silly mistake like a misstep and there is no forgiveness, they must resign and disappear forever and replaced by the next lightweight virgin with no relevant skills or experience. People learn from making mistakes so we should be more judicious about throwing them out. "
Emphatically agree.
But in the meantime actually taking accountability would be a nice start.
"We should not have supported Dominic Cummings. We recognise that that has harmed compliance"
"Stay alert was not a helpful slogan"
"We should not have interfered with the investigation of Dominic Cummings or given him a media platform, breaking the rules of his position"
"We did not throw a protective ring around care homes"
"We have not done enough to prevent the importation of Covid-19."
"The Nightingale hospitals were more useful as a publicity stunt than treatment"
"We should do better to take care of our healthcare workers"
... Etc. |
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"And again i agree it is a endless mantra and it's down to what we value most as a society and not what we think sounds great and most importantly what it is ok to make a profit out of ?? and we as a nation should take some some of the blame for not asking the difficult questions of our leaders ??
I think you are right... But I also think politics and governance has been dummed down to an extent again, where the public gets what the public wants. Most politicians and debates are puny in comparison to some of the passionate politicians who had values and stuck to them. Now it's a race for the populist vote, making the easy choice and not the right choice. Self interest rules everything. The elected opposition and the 2nd House should be holding the govt to account. But the x factor type political populism has lead us to shooting star politicians who are famous for 5 minutes, make a silly mistake like a misstep and there is no forgiveness, they must resign and disappear forever and replaced by the next lightweight virgin with no relevant skills or experience. People learn from making mistakes so we should be more judicious about throwing them out.
Emphatically agree.
But in the meantime actually taking accountability would be a nice start.
"We should not have supported Dominic Cummings. We recognise that that has harmed compliance"
"Stay alert was not a helpful slogan"
"We should not have interfered with the investigation of Dominic Cummings or given him a media platform, breaking the rules of his position"
"We did not throw a protective ring around care homes"
"We have not done enough to prevent the importation of Covid-19."
"The Nightingale hospitals were more useful as a publicity stunt than treatment"
"We should do better to take care of our healthcare workers"
... Etc."
Eat out to take out |
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"If we want to discuss the Tories as a whole, it's probably another topic.
Why can we blame China, blame each other, but any talk of holding the government to account receives cries of outrage? Why are they immune from criticism from the repeated mistakes they have made?
They aren't. They should be held to account...not sure I've seen anyone anywhere saying they should get a free pass. They should also be praised or at least recognised for getting some stuff right... When they get some stuff right. As should everyone. The constant one sided negativity and finger pointing has become a national obsession.
I see very very little to praise them for at the moment. Even the vaccination, we've got one of the lowest full vaccination rates in the league and are performing an unauthorised experiment with the Pfizer vaccine."
That's one way of interpreting it... But another way is we've done nearly 10m in very short time. And I'm sure if you ask them they are happy to have received their vaccination. The evidence so far seems to be justifying the approach but it can of course change in a few weeks... |
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"If we want to discuss the Tories as a whole, it's probably another topic.
Why can we blame China, blame each other, but any talk of holding the government to account receives cries of outrage? Why are they immune from criticism from the repeated mistakes they have made?
They aren't. They should be held to account...not sure I've seen anyone anywhere saying they should get a free pass. They should also be praised or at least recognised for getting some stuff right... When they get some stuff right. As should everyone. The constant one sided negativity and finger pointing has become a national obsession.
I see very very little to praise them for at the moment. Even the vaccination, we've got one of the lowest full vaccination rates in the league and are performing an unauthorised experiment with the Pfizer vaccine.
That's one way of interpreting it... But another way is we've done nearly 10m in very short time. And I'm sure if you ask them they are happy to have received their vaccination. The evidence so far seems to be justifying the approach but it can of course change in a few weeks... "
Do they have one untainted thing to praise them for? Just one. Anything at all. The bar here is so low I'm burning myself from lava. |
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"Do you really think Communist China will tell the truth?
Nope
What's our excuse?
We’ve not started any kind of enquiry at all yet? "
Neither have China.
It wasnt so longer we werent including care home deaths in the stats.
To call out another country for being liberal with the truth ,is a bit rich coming from us. |
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"Do you really think Communist China will tell the truth?
Nope
What's our excuse?
We’ve not started any kind of enquiry at all yet?
So the government can lie until then? Cool cool"
Ha no I didn’t say that!? But you’re deluded if you think everyone’s squeaky clean in this. I’ve said elsewhere a public enquiry will hold those responsible for misinformation, corruption and cronyism to account. Until then - why give a fuck? Rather just get through lockdown without anymore drama myself. Deal with the shit when the fallout inevitably hits |
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Well...we can all agree to disagree but the end result is pretty much given ...austerity 2.0 on the way ..falling standards of living ..increased poverty ..in short we are right royally buggered and been led up the garden path with .. |
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"Do you really think Communist China will tell the truth?
Nope
What's our excuse?
We’ve not started any kind of enquiry at all yet?
Neither have China.
It wasnt so longer we werent including care home deaths in the stats.
To call out another country for being liberal with the truth ,is a bit rich coming from us."
But the WHO are investigating China is my point. There’s some kind of enquiry going on. |
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"Do you really think Communist China will tell the truth?
Nope
What's our excuse?
We’ve not started any kind of enquiry at all yet?
So the government can lie until then? Cool cool
Ha no I didn’t say that!? But you’re deluded if you think everyone’s squeaky clean in this. I’ve said elsewhere a public enquiry will hold those responsible for misinformation, corruption and cronyism to account. Until then - why give a fuck? Rather just get through lockdown without anymore drama myself. Deal with the shit when the fallout inevitably hits "
Because I'd like it to stop, I'd like the needless deaths to stop, I'd like people to feel less hopeless, and I'd like less tax money to be in their mate's pockets when we're able to rebuild?
You know. Caring about the country and all that jazz. |
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"Do you really think Communist China will tell the truth?
Nope
What's our excuse?
We’ve not started any kind of enquiry at all yet?
So the government can lie until then? Cool cool
Ha no I didn’t say that!? But you’re deluded if you think everyone’s squeaky clean in this. I’ve said elsewhere a public enquiry will hold those responsible for misinformation, corruption and cronyism to account. Until then - why give a fuck? Rather just get through lockdown without anymore drama myself. Deal with the shit when the fallout inevitably hits "
If you look back in history we dont have a great record in enquiries getting to the truth.There are plenty of examples (Iraq,the phone hacking one, Hillsborough)
For it to work fully it needs to be totally independent and have access to everything.
The cynic in me thing someone will be thrown under the bus as a convenient scapegoat,Hancock most likely. |
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"Do you really think Communist China will tell the truth?
Nope
What's our excuse?
We’ve not started any kind of enquiry at all yet?
So the government can lie until then? Cool cool
Ha no I didn’t say that!? But you’re deluded if you think everyone’s squeaky clean in this. I’ve said elsewhere a public enquiry will hold those responsible for misinformation, corruption and cronyism to account. Until then - why give a fuck? Rather just get through lockdown without anymore drama myself. Deal with the shit when the fallout inevitably hits
Because I'd like it to stop, I'd like the needless deaths to stop, I'd like people to feel less hopeless, and I'd like less tax money to be in their mate's pockets when we're able to rebuild?
You know. Caring about the country and all that jazz."
Yep. And I’d like lockdown to be eased now we’ve started making progress with the vaccination program. I’d like to not lose another friend to suicide because they can’t support their business or pay their employees anymore. But it ain’t gonna happen any time soon. So why vent and scream at strangers on the internet? Serves no purpose. Bide your time and wait for the enquiry. Patience is a virtue after all. Truth always comes out. We just need to make sure those responsibly don’t slip through the net when the time comes. |
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"Do you really think Communist China will tell the truth?
Nope
What's our excuse?
We’ve not started any kind of enquiry at all yet?
So the government can lie until then? Cool cool
Ha no I didn’t say that!? But you’re deluded if you think everyone’s squeaky clean in this. I’ve said elsewhere a public enquiry will hold those responsible for misinformation, corruption and cronyism to account. Until then - why give a fuck? Rather just get through lockdown without anymore drama myself. Deal with the shit when the fallout inevitably hits
If you look back in history we dont have a great record in enquiries getting to the truth.There are plenty of examples (Iraq,the phone hacking one, Hillsborough)
For it to work fully it needs to be totally independent and have access to everything.
The cynic in me thing someone will be thrown under the bus as a convenient scapegoat,Hancock most likely."
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"Do you really think Communist China will tell the truth?
Nope
What's our excuse?
We’ve not started any kind of enquiry at all yet?
So the government can lie until then? Cool cool
Ha no I didn’t say that!? But you’re deluded if you think everyone’s squeaky clean in this. I’ve said elsewhere a public enquiry will hold those responsible for misinformation, corruption and cronyism to account. Until then - why give a fuck? Rather just get through lockdown without anymore drama myself. Deal with the shit when the fallout inevitably hits
Because I'd like it to stop, I'd like the needless deaths to stop, I'd like people to feel less hopeless, and I'd like less tax money to be in their mate's pockets when we're able to rebuild?
You know. Caring about the country and all that jazz.
Yep. And I’d like lockdown to be eased now we’ve started making progress with the vaccination program. I’d like to not lose another friend to suicide because they can’t support their business or pay their employees anymore. But it ain’t gonna happen any time soon. So why vent and scream at strangers on the internet? Serves no purpose. Bide your time and wait for the enquiry. Patience is a virtue after all. Truth always comes out. We just need to make sure those responsibly don’t slip through the net when the time comes. "
Because I want a vaguely competent adult in charge to hopefully stem the flow of the rivers of blood.
Talking helps sometimes. And you assume that's all I'm doing.
What does some people saying Boris was a naughty boy, a few times a day, accomplish?
If we put an adult in charge maybe we could save thousands of lives. Tens of thousands. Hundreds of thousands saved from disability from PTSD. Economy saved, lives saved, including suicide from lockdown.
Imagine treating the government like adults. Now. As they harm the population they're asked to govern?
If we'd be sacked for this - and we would - why can they carry on? |
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"Do you really think Communist China will tell the truth?
Nope
What's our excuse?
We’ve not started any kind of enquiry at all yet?
So the government can lie until then? Cool cool
Ha no I didn’t say that!? But you’re deluded if you think everyone’s squeaky clean in this. I’ve said elsewhere a public enquiry will hold those responsible for misinformation, corruption and cronyism to account. Until then - why give a fuck? Rather just get through lockdown without anymore drama myself. Deal with the shit when the fallout inevitably hits
If you look back in history we dont have a great record in enquiries getting to the truth.There are plenty of examples (Iraq,the phone hacking one, Hillsborough)
For it to work fully it needs to be totally independent and have access to everything.
The cynic in me thing someone will be thrown under the bus as a convenient scapegoat,Hancock most likely.
See my above post - I agree. We need to not lose sight of that when the time comes "
When we saw the first thousand deaths in Italy we were horrified. Why did they get it so wrong?
When they said a good outcome would be 20k deaths, it was unthinkable, too large.
Now we're closer to 120 000 deaths, why on earth are we waiting? Why is this not an emergency? |
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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago
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All speculation because still have to explain how it was possible to infect globally and some poor countries don't have any money to travel theory cross contamination via animals which is the food chain but once it's gone it's coming back in 10 years this is a fact.... |
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"Do you really think Communist China will tell the truth?
Nope
What's our excuse?
We’ve not started any kind of enquiry at all yet?
So the government can lie until then? Cool cool
Ha no I didn’t say that!? But you’re deluded if you think everyone’s squeaky clean in this. I’ve said elsewhere a public enquiry will hold those responsible for misinformation, corruption and cronyism to account. Until then - why give a fuck? Rather just get through lockdown without anymore drama myself. Deal with the shit when the fallout inevitably hits
Because I'd like it to stop, I'd like the needless deaths to stop, I'd like people to feel less hopeless, and I'd like less tax money to be in their mate's pockets when we're able to rebuild?
You know. Caring about the country and all that jazz.
Yep. And I’d like lockdown to be eased now we’ve started making progress with the vaccination program. I’d like to not lose another friend to suicide because they can’t support their business or pay their employees anymore. But it ain’t gonna happen any time soon. So why vent and scream at strangers on the internet? Serves no purpose. Bide your time and wait for the enquiry. Patience is a virtue after all. Truth always comes out. We just need to make sure those responsibly don’t slip through the net when the time comes.
Because I want a vaguely competent adult in charge to hopefully stem the flow of the rivers of blood.
Talking helps sometimes. And you assume that's all I'm doing.
What does some people saying Boris was a naughty boy, a few times a day, accomplish?
If we put an adult in charge maybe we could save thousands of lives. Tens of thousands. Hundreds of thousands saved from disability from PTSD. Economy saved, lives saved, including suicide from lockdown.
Imagine treating the government like adults. Now. As they harm the population they're asked to govern?
If we'd be sacked for this - and we would - why can they carry on?"
Kinda contradicting a lot of what you post there. You’re a massive advocate for lockdown so you have no alternative strategy so that’s a moot point. If you want to be angry about the cronyism and backhanders that have gone on then go for it. I’m personally waiting for the dust to settle before wanting the blood of those responsible. Then we can look at sacking people, or even criminalising people. Starting to sack people and swap and change the cabinet in the middle of all this seems pretty silly to me. Left hand right hand and all that. It’s difficult enough getting government entities to stick to their established plan even when things are going well. Mixing up the leadership will potentially prove even more disastrous than the shit show we currently have. Bananas idea. |
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"Do you really think Communist China will tell the truth?
Nope
What's our excuse?
We’ve not started any kind of enquiry at all yet?
So the government can lie until then? Cool cool
Ha no I didn’t say that!? But you’re deluded if you think everyone’s squeaky clean in this. I’ve said elsewhere a public enquiry will hold those responsible for misinformation, corruption and cronyism to account. Until then - why give a fuck? Rather just get through lockdown without anymore drama myself. Deal with the shit when the fallout inevitably hits
Because I'd like it to stop, I'd like the needless deaths to stop, I'd like people to feel less hopeless, and I'd like less tax money to be in their mate's pockets when we're able to rebuild?
You know. Caring about the country and all that jazz.
Yep. And I’d like lockdown to be eased now we’ve started making progress with the vaccination program. I’d like to not lose another friend to suicide because they can’t support their business or pay their employees anymore. But it ain’t gonna happen any time soon. So why vent and scream at strangers on the internet? Serves no purpose. Bide your time and wait for the enquiry. Patience is a virtue after all. Truth always comes out. We just need to make sure those responsibly don’t slip through the net when the time comes.
Because I want a vaguely competent adult in charge to hopefully stem the flow of the rivers of blood.
Talking helps sometimes. And you assume that's all I'm doing.
What does some people saying Boris was a naughty boy, a few times a day, accomplish?
If we put an adult in charge maybe we could save thousands of lives. Tens of thousands. Hundreds of thousands saved from disability from PTSD. Economy saved, lives saved, including suicide from lockdown.
Imagine treating the government like adults. Now. As they harm the population they're asked to govern?
If we'd be sacked for this - and we would - why can they carry on?
Kinda contradicting a lot of what you post there. You’re a massive advocate for lockdown so you have no alternative strategy so that’s a moot point. If you want to be angry about the cronyism and backhanders that have gone on then go for it. I’m personally waiting for the dust to settle before wanting the blood of those responsible. Then we can look at sacking people, or even criminalising people. Starting to sack people and swap and change the cabinet in the middle of all this seems pretty silly to me. Left hand right hand and all that. It’s difficult enough getting government entities to stick to their established plan even when things are going well. Mixing up the leadership will potentially prove even more disastrous than the shit show we currently have. Bananas idea. "
I think it's fair for people to ask questions though.
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By *ljamMan
over a year ago
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"Do you really think Communist China will tell the truth?
Nope
What's our excuse?
We’ve not started any kind of enquiry at all yet?
So the government can lie until then? Cool cool
Ha no I didn’t say that!? But you’re deluded if you think everyone’s squeaky clean in this. I’ve said elsewhere a public enquiry will hold those responsible for misinformation, corruption and cronyism to account. Until then - why give a fuck? Rather just get through lockdown without anymore drama myself. Deal with the shit when the fallout inevitably hits
Because I'd like it to stop, I'd like the needless deaths to stop, I'd like people to feel less hopeless, and I'd like less tax money to be in their mate's pockets when we're able to rebuild?
You know. Caring about the country and all that jazz.
Yep. And I’d like lockdown to be eased now we’ve started making progress with the vaccination program. I’d like to not lose another friend to suicide because they can’t support their business or pay their employees anymore. But it ain’t gonna happen any time soon. So why vent and scream at strangers on the internet? Serves no purpose. Bide your time and wait for the enquiry. Patience is a virtue after all. Truth always comes out. We just need to make sure those responsibly don’t slip through the net when the time comes.
Because I want a vaguely competent adult in charge to hopefully stem the flow of the rivers of blood.
Talking helps sometimes. And you assume that's all I'm doing.
What does some people saying Boris was a naughty boy, a few times a day, accomplish?
If we put an adult in charge maybe we could save thousands of lives. Tens of thousands. Hundreds of thousands saved from disability from PTSD. Economy saved, lives saved, including suicide from lockdown.
Imagine treating the government like adults. Now. As they harm the population they're asked to govern?
If we'd be sacked for this - and we would - why can they carry on?
Kinda contradicting a lot of what you post there. You’re a massive advocate for lockdown so you have no alternative strategy so that’s a moot point. If you want to be angry about the cronyism and backhanders that have gone on then go for it. I’m personally waiting for the dust to settle before wanting the blood of those responsible. Then we can look at sacking people, or even criminalising people. Starting to sack people and swap and change the cabinet in the middle of all this seems pretty silly to me. Left hand right hand and all that. It’s difficult enough getting government entities to stick to their established plan even when things are going well. Mixing up the leadership will potentially prove even more disastrous than the shit show we currently have. Bananas idea. "
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"Do you really think Communist China will tell the truth?
Nope
What's our excuse?
We’ve not started any kind of enquiry at all yet?
Neither have China.
It wasnt so longer we werent including care home deaths in the stats.
To call out another country for being liberal with the truth ,is a bit rich coming from us.
But the WHO are investigating China is my point. There’s some kind of enquiry going on. "
Like the disgraced WHO are really going to investigate their main funders, China and the China Communist Party, and get them to admit to the man made virus genecide. You don't bite the hand that feeds you.
It will all get brushed under the carpet as usual. |
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By *ljamMan
over a year ago
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"Do you really think Communist China will tell the truth?
Nope
What's our excuse?
We’ve not started any kind of enquiry at all yet?
Neither have China.
It wasnt so longer we werent including care home deaths in the stats.
To call out another country for being liberal with the truth ,is a bit rich coming from us.
But the WHO are investigating China is my point. There’s some kind of enquiry going on.
Like the disgraced WHO are really going to investigate their main funders, China and the China Communist Party, and get them to admit to the man made virus genecide. You don't bite the hand that feeds you.
It will all get brushed under the carpet as usual."
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"Do you really think Communist China will tell the truth?
Nope
What's our excuse?
We’ve not started any kind of enquiry at all yet?
So the government can lie until then? Cool cool
Ha no I didn’t say that!? But you’re deluded if you think everyone’s squeaky clean in this. I’ve said elsewhere a public enquiry will hold those responsible for misinformation, corruption and cronyism to account. Until then - why give a fuck? Rather just get through lockdown without anymore drama myself. Deal with the shit when the fallout inevitably hits
Because I'd like it to stop, I'd like the needless deaths to stop, I'd like people to feel less hopeless, and I'd like less tax money to be in their mate's pockets when we're able to rebuild?
You know. Caring about the country and all that jazz.
Yep. And I’d like lockdown to be eased now we’ve started making progress with the vaccination program. I’d like to not lose another friend to suicide because they can’t support their business or pay their employees anymore. But it ain’t gonna happen any time soon. So why vent and scream at strangers on the internet? Serves no purpose. Bide your time and wait for the enquiry. Patience is a virtue after all. Truth always comes out. We just need to make sure those responsibly don’t slip through the net when the time comes.
Because I want a vaguely competent adult in charge to hopefully stem the flow of the rivers of blood.
Talking helps sometimes. And you assume that's all I'm doing.
What does some people saying Boris was a naughty boy, a few times a day, accomplish?
If we put an adult in charge maybe we could save thousands of lives. Tens of thousands. Hundreds of thousands saved from disability from PTSD. Economy saved, lives saved, including suicide from lockdown.
Imagine treating the government like adults. Now. As they harm the population they're asked to govern?
If we'd be sacked for this - and we would - why can they carry on?
Kinda contradicting a lot of what you post there. You’re a massive advocate for lockdown so you have no alternative strategy so that’s a moot point. If you want to be angry about the cronyism and backhanders that have gone on then go for it. I’m personally waiting for the dust to settle before wanting the blood of those responsible. Then we can look at sacking people, or even criminalising people. Starting to sack people and swap and change the cabinet in the middle of all this seems pretty silly to me. Left hand right hand and all that. It’s difficult enough getting government entities to stick to their established plan even when things are going well. Mixing up the leadership will potentially prove even more disastrous than the shit show we currently have. Bananas idea.
Government should be continuously held to account. There's a time for investigation, but burying the head in the sand until it's all over doesn't really cut it. "
There’s a way to hold government to account - free elections. That’s the point of a political system built on the demos, the people. Smashing the legs out from under a government already contending with multiple epoch defining issues is a mad idea. Government are useless at the best of times. |
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"I'm sorry you see things in such black and white that you think that I'm being contradictory. But ultimately that's not my problem."
Well you are I’m sorry. You’ve hammered people being critical or skeptical about lockdowns as a strategy. You’ve repeatedly made it clear that anyone questioning the lockdown as a strategy is somehow callous or unfeeling, and you’ve shot down any alternative suggestions to it, whilst coming up with no suggestions yourself. Then you’re here telling me that you want to hold the government to account (in the middle of said strategy) to save lives from both the virus and the lockdowns, as well as the economic damage we’re going to suffer. It’s having your cake and eating it. But whatever, like you say, it’s not your problem. It’s my observation to make. |
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"Do you really think Communist China will tell the truth?
Nope
What's our excuse?
We’ve not started any kind of enquiry at all yet?
So the government can lie until then? Cool cool
Ha no I didn’t say that!? But you’re deluded if you think everyone’s squeaky clean in this. I’ve said elsewhere a public enquiry will hold those responsible for misinformation, corruption and cronyism to account. Until then - why give a fuck? Rather just get through lockdown without anymore drama myself. Deal with the shit when the fallout inevitably hits
Because I'd like it to stop, I'd like the needless deaths to stop, I'd like people to feel less hopeless, and I'd like less tax money to be in their mate's pockets when we're able to rebuild?
You know. Caring about the country and all that jazz.
Yep. And I’d like lockdown to be eased now we’ve started making progress with the vaccination program. I’d like to not lose another friend to suicide because they can’t support their business or pay their employees anymore. But it ain’t gonna happen any time soon. So why vent and scream at strangers on the internet? Serves no purpose. Bide your time and wait for the enquiry. Patience is a virtue after all. Truth always comes out. We just need to make sure those responsibly don’t slip through the net when the time comes.
Because I want a vaguely competent adult in charge to hopefully stem the flow of the rivers of blood.
Talking helps sometimes. And you assume that's all I'm doing.
What does some people saying Boris was a naughty boy, a few times a day, accomplish?
If we put an adult in charge maybe we could save thousands of lives. Tens of thousands. Hundreds of thousands saved from disability from PTSD. Economy saved, lives saved, including suicide from lockdown.
Imagine treating the government like adults. Now. As they harm the population they're asked to govern?
If we'd be sacked for this - and we would - why can they carry on?
Kinda contradicting a lot of what you post there. You’re a massive advocate for lockdown so you have no alternative strategy so that’s a moot point. If you want to be angry about the cronyism and backhanders that have gone on then go for it. I’m personally waiting for the dust to settle before wanting the blood of those responsible. Then we can look at sacking people, or even criminalising people. Starting to sack people and swap and change the cabinet in the middle of all this seems pretty silly to me. Left hand right hand and all that. It’s difficult enough getting government entities to stick to their established plan even when things are going well. Mixing up the leadership will potentially prove even more disastrous than the shit show we currently have. Bananas idea.
I think it's fair for people to ask questions though.
My big worry is the vaccine will be used as the get out of jail card."
I’m all for asking questions and stress testing any hypothesis that has merit. That’s not what’s being discussed tho. Some folk here seem to want blood when we’re not out of the mud yet.
The one and only thing the government have done right is the vaccination program. We both know they’ll spin that till we’re all sick to cover themselves in glory. Like I say we need to make sure in any enquiry that that doesn’t happen. I have a good relationship with my local MP and I’ll make sure he knows how I feel. I suggest everyone else does the same. |
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By *ljamMan
over a year ago
Edinburgh |
"Do you really think Communist China will tell the truth?
Nope
What's our excuse?
We’ve not started any kind of enquiry at all yet?
So the government can lie until then? Cool cool
Ha no I didn’t say that!? But you’re deluded if you think everyone’s squeaky clean in this. I’ve said elsewhere a public enquiry will hold those responsible for misinformation, corruption and cronyism to account. Until then - why give a fuck? Rather just get through lockdown without anymore drama myself. Deal with the shit when the fallout inevitably hits
Because I'd like it to stop, I'd like the needless deaths to stop, I'd like people to feel less hopeless, and I'd like less tax money to be in their mate's pockets when we're able to rebuild?
You know. Caring about the country and all that jazz.
Yep. And I’d like lockdown to be eased now we’ve started making progress with the vaccination program. I’d like to not lose another friend to suicide because they can’t support their business or pay their employees anymore. But it ain’t gonna happen any time soon. So why vent and scream at strangers on the internet? Serves no purpose. Bide your time and wait for the enquiry. Patience is a virtue after all. Truth always comes out. We just need to make sure those responsibly don’t slip through the net when the time comes.
Because I want a vaguely competent adult in charge to hopefully stem the flow of the rivers of blood.
Talking helps sometimes. And you assume that's all I'm doing.
What does some people saying Boris was a naughty boy, a few times a day, accomplish?
If we put an adult in charge maybe we could save thousands of lives. Tens of thousands. Hundreds of thousands saved from disability from PTSD. Economy saved, lives saved, including suicide from lockdown.
Imagine treating the government like adults. Now. As they harm the population they're asked to govern?
If we'd be sacked for this - and we would - why can they carry on?
Kinda contradicting a lot of what you post there. You’re a massive advocate for lockdown so you have no alternative strategy so that’s a moot point. If you want to be angry about the cronyism and backhanders that have gone on then go for it. I’m personally waiting for the dust to settle before wanting the blood of those responsible. Then we can look at sacking people, or even criminalising people. Starting to sack people and swap and change the cabinet in the middle of all this seems pretty silly to me. Left hand right hand and all that. It’s difficult enough getting government entities to stick to their established plan even when things are going well. Mixing up the leadership will potentially prove even more disastrous than the shit show we currently have. Bananas idea.
Government should be continuously held to account. There's a time for investigation, but burying the head in the sand until it's all over doesn't really cut it.
There’s a way to hold government to account - free elections. That’s the point of a political system built on the demos, the people. Smashing the legs out from under a government already contending with multiple epoch defining issues is a mad idea. Government are useless at the best of times. "
There are many other checks and balances on government, free elections being the main but far from only one. What you see as "smashing the legs out from under" the government, I see as making every effort to ensure there is censure and more immediate consequences to their poor handling of any situation. Or do you think being elected should be a five year pass to continually fuck up and act dishonestly with zero oversight? |
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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago
The South |
"Nope...but like a name out of black adder or python ...especially the pfeffel bit as i'm reading it in a peter sellars voice from pink panther ..minkey .."
Thank you for bringing adult input into the debate.
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"I'm sorry you see things in such black and white that you think that I'm being contradictory. But ultimately that's not my problem.
Well you are I’m sorry. You’ve hammered people being critical or skeptical about lockdowns as a strategy. You’ve repeatedly made it clear that anyone questioning the lockdown as a strategy is somehow callous or unfeeling, and you’ve shot down any alternative suggestions to it, whilst coming up with no suggestions yourself. Then you’re here telling me that you want to hold the government to account (in the middle of said strategy) to save lives from both the virus and the lockdowns, as well as the economic damage we’re going to suffer. It’s having your cake and eating it. But whatever, like you say, it’s not your problem. It’s my observation to make. "
Alternative strategies. Compulsory 14 day hotel quarantine on arrival, enhanced biosecurity areas for trade.
Three weeks martial law do not leave your house lockdown. Mass testing upon exit. Containment of any remaining positive cases (If impossible, do it region by region with no inter regional travel)
Containment of staff working with Covid patients and/or extremely enhanced PPE.
Leader: literally anyone else. A fucking child. Anyone.
After spread is contained, begin opening things gradually in two week increments.
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"Do you really think Communist China will tell the truth?
Nope
What's our excuse?
We’ve not started any kind of enquiry at all yet?
So the government can lie until then? Cool cool
Ha no I didn’t say that!? But you’re deluded if you think everyone’s squeaky clean in this. I’ve said elsewhere a public enquiry will hold those responsible for misinformation, corruption and cronyism to account. Until then - why give a fuck? Rather just get through lockdown without anymore drama myself. Deal with the shit when the fallout inevitably hits
Because I'd like it to stop, I'd like the needless deaths to stop, I'd like people to feel less hopeless, and I'd like less tax money to be in their mate's pockets when we're able to rebuild?
You know. Caring about the country and all that jazz.
Yep. And I’d like lockdown to be eased now we’ve started making progress with the vaccination program. I’d like to not lose another friend to suicide because they can’t support their business or pay their employees anymore. But it ain’t gonna happen any time soon. So why vent and scream at strangers on the internet? Serves no purpose. Bide your time and wait for the enquiry. Patience is a virtue after all. Truth always comes out. We just need to make sure those responsibly don’t slip through the net when the time comes.
Because I want a vaguely competent adult in charge to hopefully stem the flow of the rivers of blood.
Talking helps sometimes. And you assume that's all I'm doing.
What does some people saying Boris was a naughty boy, a few times a day, accomplish?
If we put an adult in charge maybe we could save thousands of lives. Tens of thousands. Hundreds of thousands saved from disability from PTSD. Economy saved, lives saved, including suicide from lockdown.
Imagine treating the government like adults. Now. As they harm the population they're asked to govern?
If we'd be sacked for this - and we would - why can they carry on?
Kinda contradicting a lot of what you post there. You’re a massive advocate for lockdown so you have no alternative strategy so that’s a moot point. If you want to be angry about the cronyism and backhanders that have gone on then go for it. I’m personally waiting for the dust to settle before wanting the blood of those responsible. Then we can look at sacking people, or even criminalising people. Starting to sack people and swap and change the cabinet in the middle of all this seems pretty silly to me. Left hand right hand and all that. It’s difficult enough getting government entities to stick to their established plan even when things are going well. Mixing up the leadership will potentially prove even more disastrous than the shit show we currently have. Bananas idea.
Government should be continuously held to account. There's a time for investigation, but burying the head in the sand until it's all over doesn't really cut it.
There’s a way to hold government to account - free elections. That’s the point of a political system built on the demos, the people. Smashing the legs out from under a government already contending with multiple epoch defining issues is a mad idea. Government are useless at the best of times.
There are many other checks and balances on government, free elections being the main but far from only one. What you see as "smashing the legs out from under" the government, I see as making every effort to ensure there is censure and more immediate consequences to their poor handling of any situation. Or do you think being elected should be a five year pass to continually fuck up and act dishonestly with zero oversight?"
I didn’t say they should get a 5 year pass. Right now, no one is calling for a GE. Because it would be catastrophic to the covid strategy for one. I’d wager there’s far less appetite for it nationally too. Just because a few people on social media think this cabinet should swing counts for very little in the grand scheme of things. There’s a lot of people on the other side of the fence too. They firmly believe the government has done the best it can. Convincing them there needs to be regime change will be difficult |
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Lockdown is a last resort when other mitigation strategies fail.
Other mitigation strategies are not in place. Until they are, we need to stop the disaster.
Lockdown is the second least worst option. Let it rip is the worst. |
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"Lockdown is a last resort when other mitigation strategies fail.
Other mitigation strategies are not in place. Until they are, we need to stop the disaster.
Lockdown is the second least worst option. Let it rip is the worst."
Yes, for sure. But you called the GBD ‘nonsense’ as a strategy and implied it was a ‘big oil’ plot. So far as I’m aware, there’s not much else in the way of tactical options other than mass vaccinations. I’ve not seen you provide any alternative. So lockdown it is. |
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"Lockdown is a last resort when other mitigation strategies fail.
Other mitigation strategies are not in place. Until they are, we need to stop the disaster.
Lockdown is the second least worst option. Let it rip is the worst.
Yes, for sure. But you called the GBD ‘nonsense’ as a strategy and implied it was a ‘big oil’ plot. So far as I’m aware, there’s not much else in the way of tactical options other than mass vaccinations. I’ve not seen you provide any alternative. So lockdown it is. "
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"Do you really think Communist China will tell the truth?
Nope
What's our excuse?
We’ve not started any kind of enquiry at all yet?
So the government can lie until then? Cool cool
Ha no I didn’t say that!? But you’re deluded if you think everyone’s squeaky clean in this. I’ve said elsewhere a public enquiry will hold those responsible for misinformation, corruption and cronyism to account. Until then - why give a fuck? Rather just get through lockdown without anymore drama myself. Deal with the shit when the fallout inevitably hits
Because I'd like it to stop, I'd like the needless deaths to stop, I'd like people to feel less hopeless, and I'd like less tax money to be in their mate's pockets when we're able to rebuild?
You know. Caring about the country and all that jazz.
Yep. And I’d like lockdown to be eased now we’ve started making progress with the vaccination program. I’d like to not lose another friend to suicide because they can’t support their business or pay their employees anymore. But it ain’t gonna happen any time soon. So why vent and scream at strangers on the internet? Serves no purpose. Bide your time and wait for the enquiry. Patience is a virtue after all. Truth always comes out. We just need to make sure those responsibly don’t slip through the net when the time comes.
Because I want a vaguely competent adult in charge to hopefully stem the flow of the rivers of blood.
Talking helps sometimes. And you assume that's all I'm doing.
What does some people saying Boris was a naughty boy, a few times a day, accomplish?
If we put an adult in charge maybe we could save thousands of lives. Tens of thousands. Hundreds of thousands saved from disability from PTSD. Economy saved, lives saved, including suicide from lockdown.
Imagine treating the government like adults. Now. As they harm the population they're asked to govern?
If we'd be sacked for this - and we would - why can they carry on?
Kinda contradicting a lot of what you post there. You’re a massive advocate for lockdown so you have no alternative strategy so that’s a moot point. If you want to be angry about the cronyism and backhanders that have gone on then go for it. I’m personally waiting for the dust to settle before wanting the blood of those responsible. Then we can look at sacking people, or even criminalising people. Starting to sack people and swap and change the cabinet in the middle of all this seems pretty silly to me. Left hand right hand and all that. It’s difficult enough getting government entities to stick to their established plan even when things are going well. Mixing up the leadership will potentially prove even more disastrous than the shit show we currently have. Bananas idea.
Government should be continuously held to account. There's a time for investigation, but burying the head in the sand until it's all over doesn't really cut it.
There’s a way to hold government to account - free elections. That’s the point of a political system built on the demos, the people. Smashing the legs out from under a government already contending with multiple epoch defining issues is a mad idea. Government are useless at the best of times.
There are many other checks and balances on government, free elections being the main but far from only one. What you see as "smashing the legs out from under" the government, I see as making every effort to ensure there is censure and more immediate consequences to their poor handling of any situation. Or do you think being elected should be a five year pass to continually fuck up and act dishonestly with zero oversight?
I didn’t say they should get a 5 year pass. Right now, no one is calling for a GE. Because it would be catastrophic to the covid strategy for one. I’d wager there’s far less appetite for it nationally too. Just because a few people on social media think this cabinet should swing counts for very little in the grand scheme of things. There’s a lot of people on the other side of the fence too. They firmly believe the government has done the best it can. Convincing them there needs to be regime change will be difficult "
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"Do you really think Communist China will tell the truth?
Nope
What's our excuse?
We’ve not started any kind of enquiry at all yet?
So the government can lie until then? Cool cool
Ha no I didn’t say that!? But you’re deluded if you think everyone’s squeaky clean in this. I’ve said elsewhere a public enquiry will hold those responsible for misinformation, corruption and cronyism to account. Until then - why give a fuck? Rather just get through lockdown without anymore drama myself. Deal with the shit when the fallout inevitably hits
If you look back in history we dont have a great record in enquiries getting to the truth.There are plenty of examples (Iraq,the phone hacking one, Hillsborough)
For it to work fully it needs to be totally independent and have access to everything.
The cynic in me thing someone will be thrown under the bus as a convenient scapegoat,Hancock most likely."
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"I never realized until i saw the news that the lab is literally yards from the livestock market.FFs there is enough bloody room in china to put these places in more remote places rather right in the centre of a city. "
I just looked on Google maps and the lab and the original outbreak area are about 9 miles apart, but even so, I don’t think it’s a coincidence what’s happened.
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"Do you really think Communist China will tell the truth?
Nope
What's our excuse?
We’ve not started any kind of enquiry at all yet?
So the government can lie until then? Cool cool
Ha no I didn’t say that!? But you’re deluded if you think everyone’s squeaky clean in this. I’ve said elsewhere a public enquiry will hold those responsible for misinformation, corruption and cronyism to account. Until then - why give a fuck? Rather just get through lockdown without anymore drama myself. Deal with the shit when the fallout inevitably hits
Because I'd like it to stop, I'd like the needless deaths to stop, I'd like people to feel less hopeless, and I'd like less tax money to be in their mate's pockets when we're able to rebuild?
You know. Caring about the country and all that jazz.
Yep. And I’d like lockdown to be eased now we’ve started making progress with the vaccination program. I’d like to not lose another friend to suicide because they can’t support their business or pay their employees anymore. But it ain’t gonna happen any time soon. So why vent and scream at strangers on the internet? Serves no purpose. Bide your time and wait for the enquiry. Patience is a virtue after all. Truth always comes out. We just need to make sure those responsibly don’t slip through the net when the time comes.
Because I want a vaguely competent adult in charge to hopefully stem the flow of the rivers of blood.
Talking helps sometimes. And you assume that's all I'm doing.
What does some people saying Boris was a naughty boy, a few times a day, accomplish?
If we put an adult in charge maybe we could save thousands of lives. Tens of thousands. Hundreds of thousands saved from disability from PTSD. Economy saved, lives saved, including suicide from lockdown.
Imagine treating the government like adults. Now. As they harm the population they're asked to govern?
If we'd be sacked for this - and we would - why can they carry on?
Kinda contradicting a lot of what you post there. You’re a massive advocate for lockdown so you have no alternative strategy so that’s a moot point. If you want to be angry about the cronyism and backhanders that have gone on then go for it. I’m personally waiting for the dust to settle before wanting the blood of those responsible. Then we can look at sacking people, or even criminalising people. Starting to sack people and swap and change the cabinet in the middle of all this seems pretty silly to me. Left hand right hand and all that. It’s difficult enough getting government entities to stick to their established plan even when things are going well. Mixing up the leadership will potentially prove even more disastrous than the shit show we currently have. Bananas idea.
Government should be continuously held to account. There's a time for investigation, but burying the head in the sand until it's all over doesn't really cut it.
There’s a way to hold government to account - free elections. That’s the point of a political system built on the demos, the people. Smashing the legs out from under a government already contending with multiple epoch defining issues is a mad idea. Government are useless at the best of times.
There are many other checks and balances on government, free elections being the main but far from only one. What you see as "smashing the legs out from under" the government, I see as making every effort to ensure there is censure and more immediate consequences to their poor handling of any situation. Or do you think being elected should be a five year pass to continually fuck up and act dishonestly with zero oversight?
I didn’t say they should get a 5 year pass. Right now, no one is calling for a GE. Because it would be catastrophic to the covid strategy for one. I’d wager there’s far less appetite for it nationally too. Just because a few people on social media think this cabinet should swing counts for very little in the grand scheme of things. There’s a lot of people on the other side of the fence too. They firmly believe the government has done the best it can. Convincing them there needs to be regime change will be difficult well those that think the government has done the best it can must live in some far far away galaxy "
That’s in your opinion. But they’re entitled to believe what they want just as you are. My point was it’s going to be difficult to even try and dislodge this government when it enjoys such support. Remember the Tories have been in power for over a decade now. There’s a reason for that even if you or I don’t agree how. |
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"Do you really think Communist China will tell the truth?
Nope
What's our excuse?
We’ve not started any kind of enquiry at all yet?
So the government can lie until then? Cool cool
Ha no I didn’t say that!? But you’re deluded if you think everyone’s squeaky clean in this. I’ve said elsewhere a public enquiry will hold those responsible for misinformation, corruption and cronyism to account. Until then - why give a fuck? Rather just get through lockdown without anymore drama myself. Deal with the shit when the fallout inevitably hits
Because I'd like it to stop, I'd like the needless deaths to stop, I'd like people to feel less hopeless, and I'd like less tax money to be in their mate's pockets when we're able to rebuild?
You know. Caring about the country and all that jazz.
Yep. And I’d like lockdown to be eased now we’ve started making progress with the vaccination program. I’d like to not lose another friend to suicide because they can’t support their business or pay their employees anymore. But it ain’t gonna happen any time soon. So why vent and scream at strangers on the internet? Serves no purpose. Bide your time and wait for the enquiry. Patience is a virtue after all. Truth always comes out. We just need to make sure those responsibly don’t slip through the net when the time comes.
Because I want a vaguely competent adult in charge to hopefully stem the flow of the rivers of blood.
Talking helps sometimes. And you assume that's all I'm doing.
What does some people saying Boris was a naughty boy, a few times a day, accomplish?
If we put an adult in charge maybe we could save thousands of lives. Tens of thousands. Hundreds of thousands saved from disability from PTSD. Economy saved, lives saved, including suicide from lockdown.
Imagine treating the government like adults. Now. As they harm the population they're asked to govern?
If we'd be sacked for this - and we would - why can they carry on?
Kinda contradicting a lot of what you post there. You’re a massive advocate for lockdown so you have no alternative strategy so that’s a moot point. If you want to be angry about the cronyism and backhanders that have gone on then go for it. I’m personally waiting for the dust to settle before wanting the blood of those responsible. Then we can look at sacking people, or even criminalising people. Starting to sack people and swap and change the cabinet in the middle of all this seems pretty silly to me. Left hand right hand and all that. It’s difficult enough getting government entities to stick to their established plan even when things are going well. Mixing up the leadership will potentially prove even more disastrous than the shit show we currently have. Bananas idea.
Government should be continuously held to account. There's a time for investigation, but burying the head in the sand until it's all over doesn't really cut it.
There’s a way to hold government to account - free elections. That’s the point of a political system built on the demos, the people. Smashing the legs out from under a government already contending with multiple epoch defining issues is a mad idea. Government are useless at the best of times.
There are many other checks and balances on government, free elections being the main but far from only one. What you see as "smashing the legs out from under" the government, I see as making every effort to ensure there is censure and more immediate consequences to their poor handling of any situation. Or do you think being elected should be a five year pass to continually fuck up and act dishonestly with zero oversight?
I didn’t say they should get a 5 year pass. Right now, no one is calling for a GE. Because it would be catastrophic to the covid strategy for one. I’d wager there’s far less appetite for it nationally too. Just because a few people on social media think this cabinet should swing counts for very little in the grand scheme of things. There’s a lot of people on the other side of the fence too. They firmly believe the government has done the best it can. Convincing them there needs to be regime change will be difficult well those that think the government has done the best it can must live in some far far away galaxy
That’s in your opinion. But they’re entitled to believe what they want just as you are. My point was it’s going to be difficult to even try and dislodge this government when it enjoys such support. Remember the Tories have been in power for over a decade now. There’s a reason for that even if you or I don’t agree how. "
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"Do you really think Communist China will tell the truth?
Nope
What's our excuse?
We’ve not started any kind of enquiry at all yet?
So the government can lie until then? Cool cool
Ha no I didn’t say that!? But you’re deluded if you think everyone’s squeaky clean in this. I’ve said elsewhere a public enquiry will hold those responsible for misinformation, corruption and cronyism to account. Until then - why give a fuck? Rather just get through lockdown without anymore drama myself. Deal with the shit when the fallout inevitably hits
Because I'd like it to stop, I'd like the needless deaths to stop, I'd like people to feel less hopeless, and I'd like less tax money to be in their mate's pockets when we're able to rebuild?
You know. Caring about the country and all that jazz.
Yep. And I’d like lockdown to be eased now we’ve started making progress with the vaccination program. I’d like to not lose another friend to suicide because they can’t support their business or pay their employees anymore. But it ain’t gonna happen any time soon. So why vent and scream at strangers on the internet? Serves no purpose. Bide your time and wait for the enquiry. Patience is a virtue after all. Truth always comes out. We just need to make sure those responsibly don’t slip through the net when the time comes.
Because I want a vaguely competent adult in charge to hopefully stem the flow of the rivers of blood.
Talking helps sometimes. And you assume that's all I'm doing.
What does some people saying Boris was a naughty boy, a few times a day, accomplish?
If we put an adult in charge maybe we could save thousands of lives. Tens of thousands. Hundreds of thousands saved from disability from PTSD. Economy saved, lives saved, including suicide from lockdown.
Imagine treating the government like adults. Now. As they harm the population they're asked to govern?
If we'd be sacked for this - and we would - why can they carry on?
Kinda contradicting a lot of what you post there. You’re a massive advocate for lockdown so you have no alternative strategy so that’s a moot point. If you want to be angry about the cronyism and backhanders that have gone on then go for it. I’m personally waiting for the dust to settle before wanting the blood of those responsible. Then we can look at sacking people, or even criminalising people. Starting to sack people and swap and change the cabinet in the middle of all this seems pretty silly to me. Left hand right hand and all that. It’s difficult enough getting government entities to stick to their established plan even when things are going well. Mixing up the leadership will potentially prove even more disastrous than the shit show we currently have. Bananas idea.
Government should be continuously held to account. There's a time for investigation, but burying the head in the sand until it's all over doesn't really cut it.
There’s a way to hold government to account - free elections. That’s the point of a political system built on the demos, the people. Smashing the legs out from under a government already contending with multiple epoch defining issues is a mad idea. Government are useless at the best of times.
There are many other checks and balances on government, free elections being the main but far from only one. What you see as "smashing the legs out from under" the government, I see as making every effort to ensure there is censure and more immediate consequences to their poor handling of any situation. Or do you think being elected should be a five year pass to continually fuck up and act dishonestly with zero oversight?
I didn’t say they should get a 5 year pass. Right now, no one is calling for a GE. Because it would be catastrophic to the covid strategy for one. I’d wager there’s far less appetite for it nationally too. Just because a few people on social media think this cabinet should swing counts for very little in the grand scheme of things. There’s a lot of people on the other side of the fence too. They firmly believe the government has done the best it can. Convincing them there needs to be regime change will be difficult well those that think the government has done the best it can must live in some far far away galaxy
That’s in your opinion. But they’re entitled to believe what they want just as you are. My point was it’s going to be difficult to even try and dislodge this government when it enjoys such support. Remember the Tories have been in power for over a decade now. There’s a reason for that even if you or I don’t agree how. "
Maybe the Tories will lose the next GE, maybe not... but if they aren't held to account for their mistakes and misdemeanours as they happen then their chances of victory increase. Deferring justifiable anger at their conduct until some unspecified future enquiry isn't good enough really. Public, on-record criticism is the least of what they should face. Let the calls for cabinet heads ring out. They likely won't amount to much in the short term, but the whole shitshow should be under intense scrutiny and pressure right now. |
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"There is a theory they will use the success of the vaccine and push for an early election."
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"I'm sorry you see things in such black and white that you think that I'm being contradictory. But ultimately that's not my problem.
Well you are I’m sorry. You’ve hammered people being critical or skeptical about lockdowns as a strategy. You’ve repeatedly made it clear that anyone questioning the lockdown as a strategy is somehow callous or unfeeling, and you’ve shot down any alternative suggestions to it, whilst coming up with no suggestions yourself. Then you’re here telling me that you want to hold the government to account (in the middle of said strategy) to save lives from both the virus and the lockdowns, as well as the economic damage we’re going to suffer. It’s having your cake and eating it. But whatever, like you say, it’s not your problem. It’s my observation to make.
Alternative strategies. Compulsory 14 day hotel quarantine on arrival, enhanced biosecurity areas for trade.
Three weeks martial law do not leave your house lockdown. Mass testing upon exit. Containment of any remaining positive cases (If impossible, do it region by region with no inter regional travel)
Containment of staff working with Covid patients and/or extremely enhanced PPE.
Leader: literally anyone else. A fucking child. Anyone.
After spread is contained, begin opening things gradually in two week increments.
I bet if we'd done it in March we'd have been back in the pub by June. No masks."
Just spotted this response, must’ve got lost in the melee.
Ok, all great ideas in theory.
How do you enforce martial law? Police won’t be able to do it and the army wouldn’t be able to fully enforce it even if you did recall every unit posted around the globe. So that’s a non starter.
Containment of localised infections - not possible either. Not enough staff in the country to enforce border restrictions between counties or even larger localities (like Yorkshire as a whole). So another non starter.
Staff working in covid wards were contained (or they certainly were in my region). Several HCP friends lived in hotels near their hospitals throughout the first lockdown. So they tried that. Didn’t work either.
And ultimately, even if we’d have taken such draconian measures to try and control it - we’d still be in the shit without a vaccine. Viruses don't disappear.
And a child as leader? If you’d have picked say, an internationally renowned epidemiologist or someone with experience of managing a pandemic, then I’d have taken you seriously.
Maybe....just maybe, none of these hardcore actions weren’t seriously considered because they’re not possible in the slightest?
And probably most importantly - you think people would comply with these measures even back in March? I don’t.
We’ll get to the bottom of it all in the enquiry shall we. You can stress test these ideas with everyone else’s. |
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"There is a theory they will use the success of the vaccine and push for an early election.
Can't see it. Emerging from lockdown isn't a panacea - the world will still be fucked for a good while, and the less we need to worry about covid, the more the disaster of brexit will become apparent. "
The theory is they will use the wave of the vaccine before the reality of brexit settles in. |
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"There is a theory they will use the success of the vaccine and push for an early election.
Can't see it. Emerging from lockdown isn't a panacea - the world will still be fucked for a good while, and the less we need to worry about covid, the more the disaster of brexit will become apparent.
The theory is they will use the wave of the vaccine before the reality of brexit settles in."
Yeah, I can imagine some smug tory cunt thinking they'd hit on a genius strategy with that, but in reality I think they know that such a call would be seen as irresponsible.
Plus, Boris has just seen an arch-populist topple over in the States... that's further cause for hesitation. There is a limit to the amount of lies an electorate will swallow. |
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"There is a theory they will use the success of the vaccine and push for an early election.
Can't see it. Emerging from lockdown isn't a panacea - the world will still be fucked for a good while, and the less we need to worry about covid, the more the disaster of brexit will become apparent.
The theory is they will use the wave of the vaccine before the reality of brexit settles in.
Yeah, I can imagine some smug tory cunt thinking they'd hit on a genius strategy with that, but in reality I think they know that such a call would be seen as irresponsible.
Plus, Boris has just seen an arch-populist topple over in the States... that's further cause for hesitation. There is a limit to the amount of lies an electorate will swallow. "
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???? why am i getting private message ?? from this post if you got something to say say it on here ... im not interested in your anti vaxxine views.... i work smack bang in the middle of this virus every day so keep your thoughts to the post not my inbox |
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"Do you really think Communist China will tell the truth?
Nope
What's our excuse?
We’ve not started any kind of enquiry at all yet?
So the government can lie until then? Cool cool
Ha no I didn’t say that!? But you’re deluded if you think everyone’s squeaky clean in this. I’ve said elsewhere a public enquiry will hold those responsible for misinformation, corruption and cronyism to account. Until then - why give a fuck? Rather just get through lockdown without anymore drama myself. Deal with the shit when the fallout inevitably hits
Because I'd like it to stop, I'd like the needless deaths to stop, I'd like people to feel less hopeless, and I'd like less tax money to be in their mate's pockets when we're able to rebuild?
You know. Caring about the country and all that jazz.
Yep. And I’d like lockdown to be eased now we’ve started making progress with the vaccination program. I’d like to not lose another friend to suicide because they can’t support their business or pay their employees anymore. But it ain’t gonna happen any time soon. So why vent and scream at strangers on the internet? Serves no purpose. Bide your time and wait for the enquiry. Patience is a virtue after all. Truth always comes out. We just need to make sure those responsibly don’t slip through the net when the time comes.
Because I want a vaguely competent adult in charge to hopefully stem the flow of the rivers of blood.
Talking helps sometimes. And you assume that's all I'm doing.
What does some people saying Boris was a naughty boy, a few times a day, accomplish?
If we put an adult in charge maybe we could save thousands of lives. Tens of thousands. Hundreds of thousands saved from disability from PTSD. Economy saved, lives saved, including suicide from lockdown.
Imagine treating the government like adults. Now. As they harm the population they're asked to govern?
If we'd be sacked for this - and we would - why can they carry on?
Kinda contradicting a lot of what you post there. You’re a massive advocate for lockdown so you have no alternative strategy so that’s a moot point. If you want to be angry about the cronyism and backhanders that have gone on then go for it. I’m personally waiting for the dust to settle before wanting the blood of those responsible. Then we can look at sacking people, or even criminalising people. Starting to sack people and swap and change the cabinet in the middle of all this seems pretty silly to me. Left hand right hand and all that. It’s difficult enough getting government entities to stick to their established plan even when things are going well. Mixing up the leadership will potentially prove even more disastrous than the shit show we currently have. Bananas idea.
Government should be continuously held to account. There's a time for investigation, but burying the head in the sand until it's all over doesn't really cut it.
There’s a way to hold government to account - free elections. That’s the point of a political system built on the demos, the people. Smashing the legs out from under a government already contending with multiple epoch defining issues is a mad idea. Government are useless at the best of times.
There are many other checks and balances on government, free elections being the main but far from only one. What you see as "smashing the legs out from under" the government, I see as making every effort to ensure there is censure and more immediate consequences to their poor handling of any situation. Or do you think being elected should be a five year pass to continually fuck up and act dishonestly with zero oversight?
I didn’t say they should get a 5 year pass. Right now, no one is calling for a GE. Because it would be catastrophic to the covid strategy for one. I’d wager there’s far less appetite for it nationally too. Just because a few people on social media think this cabinet should swing counts for very little in the grand scheme of things. There’s a lot of people on the other side of the fence too. They firmly believe the government has done the best it can. Convincing them there needs to be regime change will be difficult well those that think the government has done the best it can must live in some far far away galaxy
That’s in your opinion. But they’re entitled to believe what they want just as you are. My point was it’s going to be difficult to even try and dislodge this government when it enjoys such support. Remember the Tories have been in power for over a decade now. There’s a reason for that even if you or I don’t agree how.
Maybe the Tories will lose the next GE, maybe not... but if they aren't held to account for their mistakes and misdemeanours as they happen then their chances of victory increase. Deferring justifiable anger at their conduct until some unspecified future enquiry isn't good enough really. Public, on-record criticism is the least of what they should face. Let the calls for cabinet heads ring out. They likely won't amount to much in the short term, but the whole shitshow should be under intense scrutiny and pressure right now."
Hang on let me clarify what I meant.
‘Holding to account’ and justifiable criticism are two different things to my mind. The holding to account part includes the inevitable punishment for any wrongdoing. So to me ‘holding the government to account’ has to wait until the public enquiry, when we can be presented with the evidence. Until then it’s just sounding off because you’re annoyed. |
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"And where did the lab get it from, the moon. China keep bringing shit back from the moon. They bloody sent a probe there again before Christmas and no one stopped them not even NASA who knew about the virus since 69.
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Well, it's quite obvious where they got the virus isn't it? All they had to do was catch a bat and take a blood sample, no rocket required... What exactly do you think goes on in a place called The Wuhan Institute of Virology? Now I'm no rocket scientist, but I do think the clue is in the name. Scientists are always sampling the local wildlife the world over... I was with some scientist this time last year who were tagging manta rays in Indonesia, they'd come from Auckland Uni to study them.
I wasn't suggesting in my post that the virus that escaped had be manipulated in anyway, the Institute of Virology is the logical place for them to have an inventory of viruses that occur in the environment in China. It would surely be a bit silly to say a lab with a name like that wouldn't be looking at many different types of virus, even if it is prevalent in the native wildlife.
It doesn't take much googling to confirm that SARS was released from the Beijing Institute of virology twice in 2004 alone.
In a country with a history of poor bio security, which is known to avoid telling the truth at all costs to save face, it's a likely scenario.
Or you could blame it on the wet market across the road, that may or may have been selling what many Asians have for 1000's of years considered a tasty snack...
Of course over 12 months, probably more like 15-18 months, there isn't going to much in the lab that the Chinese aren't happy for the WHO inspectors to see. |
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"???? why am i getting private message ?? from this post if you got something to say say it on here ... im not interested in your anti vaxxine views.... i work smack bang in the middle of this virus every day so keep your thoughts to the post not my inbox"
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By *ljamMan
over a year ago
Edinburgh |
"Do you really think Communist China will tell the truth?
Nope
What's our excuse?
We’ve not started any kind of enquiry at all yet?
So the government can lie until then? Cool cool
Ha no I didn’t say that!? But you’re deluded if you think everyone’s squeaky clean in this. I’ve said elsewhere a public enquiry will hold those responsible for misinformation, corruption and cronyism to account. Until then - why give a fuck? Rather just get through lockdown without anymore drama myself. Deal with the shit when the fallout inevitably hits
Because I'd like it to stop, I'd like the needless deaths to stop, I'd like people to feel less hopeless, and I'd like less tax money to be in their mate's pockets when we're able to rebuild?
You know. Caring about the country and all that jazz.
Yep. And I’d like lockdown to be eased now we’ve started making progress with the vaccination program. I’d like to not lose another friend to suicide because they can’t support their business or pay their employees anymore. But it ain’t gonna happen any time soon. So why vent and scream at strangers on the internet? Serves no purpose. Bide your time and wait for the enquiry. Patience is a virtue after all. Truth always comes out. We just need to make sure those responsibly don’t slip through the net when the time comes.
Because I want a vaguely competent adult in charge to hopefully stem the flow of the rivers of blood.
Talking helps sometimes. And you assume that's all I'm doing.
What does some people saying Boris was a naughty boy, a few times a day, accomplish?
If we put an adult in charge maybe we could save thousands of lives. Tens of thousands. Hundreds of thousands saved from disability from PTSD. Economy saved, lives saved, including suicide from lockdown.
Imagine treating the government like adults. Now. As they harm the population they're asked to govern?
If we'd be sacked for this - and we would - why can they carry on?
Kinda contradicting a lot of what you post there. You’re a massive advocate for lockdown so you have no alternative strategy so that’s a moot point. If you want to be angry about the cronyism and backhanders that have gone on then go for it. I’m personally waiting for the dust to settle before wanting the blood of those responsible. Then we can look at sacking people, or even criminalising people. Starting to sack people and swap and change the cabinet in the middle of all this seems pretty silly to me. Left hand right hand and all that. It’s difficult enough getting government entities to stick to their established plan even when things are going well. Mixing up the leadership will potentially prove even more disastrous than the shit show we currently have. Bananas idea.
Government should be continuously held to account. There's a time for investigation, but burying the head in the sand until it's all over doesn't really cut it.
There’s a way to hold government to account - free elections. That’s the point of a political system built on the demos, the people. Smashing the legs out from under a government already contending with multiple epoch defining issues is a mad idea. Government are useless at the best of times.
There are many other checks and balances on government, free elections being the main but far from only one. What you see as "smashing the legs out from under" the government, I see as making every effort to ensure there is censure and more immediate consequences to their poor handling of any situation. Or do you think being elected should be a five year pass to continually fuck up and act dishonestly with zero oversight?
I didn’t say they should get a 5 year pass. Right now, no one is calling for a GE. Because it would be catastrophic to the covid strategy for one. I’d wager there’s far less appetite for it nationally too. Just because a few people on social media think this cabinet should swing counts for very little in the grand scheme of things. There’s a lot of people on the other side of the fence too. They firmly believe the government has done the best it can. Convincing them there needs to be regime change will be difficult well those that think the government has done the best it can must live in some far far away galaxy
That’s in your opinion. But they’re entitled to believe what they want just as you are. My point was it’s going to be difficult to even try and dislodge this government when it enjoys such support. Remember the Tories have been in power for over a decade now. There’s a reason for that even if you or I don’t agree how.
Maybe the Tories will lose the next GE, maybe not... but if they aren't held to account for their mistakes and misdemeanours as they happen then their chances of victory increase. Deferring justifiable anger at their conduct until some unspecified future enquiry isn't good enough really. Public, on-record criticism is the least of what they should face. Let the calls for cabinet heads ring out. They likely won't amount to much in the short term, but the whole shitshow should be under intense scrutiny and pressure right now.
Hang on let me clarify what I meant.
‘Holding to account’ and justifiable criticism are two different things to my mind. The holding to account part includes the inevitable punishment for any wrongdoing. So to me ‘holding the government to account’ has to wait until the public enquiry, when we can be presented with the evidence. Until then it’s just sounding off because you’re annoyed. "
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"Do you really think Communist China will tell the truth?
Nope
What's our excuse?
We’ve not started any kind of enquiry at all yet?
So the government can lie until then? Cool cool
Ha no I didn’t say that!? But you’re deluded if you think everyone’s squeaky clean in this. I’ve said elsewhere a public enquiry will hold those responsible for misinformation, corruption and cronyism to account. Until then - why give a fuck? Rather just get through lockdown without anymore drama myself. Deal with the shit when the fallout inevitably hits
Because I'd like it to stop, I'd like the needless deaths to stop, I'd like people to feel less hopeless, and I'd like less tax money to be in their mate's pockets when we're able to rebuild?
You know. Caring about the country and all that jazz.
Yep. And I’d like lockdown to be eased now we’ve started making progress with the vaccination program. I’d like to not lose another friend to suicide because they can’t support their business or pay their employees anymore. But it ain’t gonna happen any time soon. So why vent and scream at strangers on the internet? Serves no purpose. Bide your time and wait for the enquiry. Patience is a virtue after all. Truth always comes out. We just need to make sure those responsibly don’t slip through the net when the time comes.
Because I want a vaguely competent adult in charge to hopefully stem the flow of the rivers of blood.
Talking helps sometimes. And you assume that's all I'm doing.
What does some people saying Boris was a naughty boy, a few times a day, accomplish?
If we put an adult in charge maybe we could save thousands of lives. Tens of thousands. Hundreds of thousands saved from disability from PTSD. Economy saved, lives saved, including suicide from lockdown.
Imagine treating the government like adults. Now. As they harm the population they're asked to govern?
If we'd be sacked for this - and we would - why can they carry on?
Kinda contradicting a lot of what you post there. You’re a massive advocate for lockdown so you have no alternative strategy so that’s a moot point. If you want to be angry about the cronyism and backhanders that have gone on then go for it. I’m personally waiting for the dust to settle before wanting the blood of those responsible. Then we can look at sacking people, or even criminalising people. Starting to sack people and swap and change the cabinet in the middle of all this seems pretty silly to me. Left hand right hand and all that. It’s difficult enough getting government entities to stick to their established plan even when things are going well. Mixing up the leadership will potentially prove even more disastrous than the shit show we currently have. Bananas idea.
Government should be continuously held to account. There's a time for investigation, but burying the head in the sand until it's all over doesn't really cut it.
There’s a way to hold government to account - free elections. That’s the point of a political system built on the demos, the people. Smashing the legs out from under a government already contending with multiple epoch defining issues is a mad idea. Government are useless at the best of times.
There are many other checks and balances on government, free elections being the main but far from only one. What you see as "smashing the legs out from under" the government, I see as making every effort to ensure there is censure and more immediate consequences to their poor handling of any situation. Or do you think being elected should be a five year pass to continually fuck up and act dishonestly with zero oversight?
I didn’t say they should get a 5 year pass. Right now, no one is calling for a GE. Because it would be catastrophic to the covid strategy for one. I’d wager there’s far less appetite for it nationally too. Just because a few people on social media think this cabinet should swing counts for very little in the grand scheme of things. There’s a lot of people on the other side of the fence too. They firmly believe the government has done the best it can. Convincing them there needs to be regime change will be difficult well those that think the government has done the best it can must live in some far far away galaxy
That’s in your opinion. But they’re entitled to believe what they want just as you are. My point was it’s going to be difficult to even try and dislodge this government when it enjoys such support. Remember the Tories have been in power for over a decade now. There’s a reason for that even if you or I don’t agree how.
Maybe the Tories will lose the next GE, maybe not... but if they aren't held to account for their mistakes and misdemeanours as they happen then their chances of victory increase. Deferring justifiable anger at their conduct until some unspecified future enquiry isn't good enough really. Public, on-record criticism is the least of what they should face. Let the calls for cabinet heads ring out. They likely won't amount to much in the short term, but the whole shitshow should be under intense scrutiny and pressure right now.
Hang on let me clarify what I meant.
‘Holding to account’ and justifiable criticism are two different things to my mind. The holding to account part includes the inevitable punishment for any wrongdoing. So to me ‘holding the government to account’ has to wait until the public enquiry, when we can be presented with the evidence. Until then it’s just sounding off because you’re annoyed.
Then you have a very narrow and generally useless definition of accountability. "
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By *ljamMan
over a year ago
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"Do you really think Communist China will tell the truth?
Nope
What's our excuse?
We’ve not started any kind of enquiry at all yet?
So the government can lie until then? Cool cool
Ha no I didn’t say that!? But you’re deluded if you think everyone’s squeaky clean in this. I’ve said elsewhere a public enquiry will hold those responsible for misinformation, corruption and cronyism to account. Until then - why give a fuck? Rather just get through lockdown without anymore drama myself. Deal with the shit when the fallout inevitably hits
Because I'd like it to stop, I'd like the needless deaths to stop, I'd like people to feel less hopeless, and I'd like less tax money to be in their mate's pockets when we're able to rebuild?
You know. Caring about the country and all that jazz.
Yep. And I’d like lockdown to be eased now we’ve started making progress with the vaccination program. I’d like to not lose another friend to suicide because they can’t support their business or pay their employees anymore. But it ain’t gonna happen any time soon. So why vent and scream at strangers on the internet? Serves no purpose. Bide your time and wait for the enquiry. Patience is a virtue after all. Truth always comes out. We just need to make sure those responsibly don’t slip through the net when the time comes.
Because I want a vaguely competent adult in charge to hopefully stem the flow of the rivers of blood.
Talking helps sometimes. And you assume that's all I'm doing.
What does some people saying Boris was a naughty boy, a few times a day, accomplish?
If we put an adult in charge maybe we could save thousands of lives. Tens of thousands. Hundreds of thousands saved from disability from PTSD. Economy saved, lives saved, including suicide from lockdown.
Imagine treating the government like adults. Now. As they harm the population they're asked to govern?
If we'd be sacked for this - and we would - why can they carry on?
Kinda contradicting a lot of what you post there. You’re a massive advocate for lockdown so you have no alternative strategy so that’s a moot point. If you want to be angry about the cronyism and backhanders that have gone on then go for it. I’m personally waiting for the dust to settle before wanting the blood of those responsible. Then we can look at sacking people, or even criminalising people. Starting to sack people and swap and change the cabinet in the middle of all this seems pretty silly to me. Left hand right hand and all that. It’s difficult enough getting government entities to stick to their established plan even when things are going well. Mixing up the leadership will potentially prove even more disastrous than the shit show we currently have. Bananas idea.
Government should be continuously held to account. There's a time for investigation, but burying the head in the sand until it's all over doesn't really cut it.
There’s a way to hold government to account - free elections. That’s the point of a political system built on the demos, the people. Smashing the legs out from under a government already contending with multiple epoch defining issues is a mad idea. Government are useless at the best of times.
There are many other checks and balances on government, free elections being the main but far from only one. What you see as "smashing the legs out from under" the government, I see as making every effort to ensure there is censure and more immediate consequences to their poor handling of any situation. Or do you think being elected should be a five year pass to continually fuck up and act dishonestly with zero oversight?
I didn’t say they should get a 5 year pass. Right now, no one is calling for a GE. Because it would be catastrophic to the covid strategy for one. I’d wager there’s far less appetite for it nationally too. Just because a few people on social media think this cabinet should swing counts for very little in the grand scheme of things. There’s a lot of people on the other side of the fence too. They firmly believe the government has done the best it can. Convincing them there needs to be regime change will be difficult well those that think the government has done the best it can must live in some far far away galaxy
That’s in your opinion. But they’re entitled to believe what they want just as you are. My point was it’s going to be difficult to even try and dislodge this government when it enjoys such support. Remember the Tories have been in power for over a decade now. There’s a reason for that even if you or I don’t agree how.
Maybe the Tories will lose the next GE, maybe not... but if they aren't held to account for their mistakes and misdemeanours as they happen then their chances of victory increase. Deferring justifiable anger at their conduct until some unspecified future enquiry isn't good enough really. Public, on-record criticism is the least of what they should face. Let the calls for cabinet heads ring out. They likely won't amount to much in the short term, but the whole shitshow should be under intense scrutiny and pressure right now.
Hang on let me clarify what I meant.
‘Holding to account’ and justifiable criticism are two different things to my mind. The holding to account part includes the inevitable punishment for any wrongdoing. So to me ‘holding the government to account’ has to wait until the public enquiry, when we can be presented with the evidence. Until then it’s just sounding off because you’re annoyed.
Then you have a very narrow and generally useless definition of accountability.
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By *ickerMan
over a year ago
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Let's just say it came from a lab and China sent it on purpose for economic reasons as well as the planet being over populated.
Do you think the WHO are going to tell us that in a report. We won't ever really know the truth about what happened.
I think we should get out of this mess by the summer or I am hoping. Its been a disaster and a year we won't get back. However its been a big learning curve and if it was something more deadly then we would been wiped out.
It doesn't matter what weapons or how big the army are. A deadly virus could wipe us all out. I hope that when we get through this we can be better prepared if it ever happens again.
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By *ocbigMan
over a year ago
Birmingham |
"COVID-19: WHO team in Wuhan sees data 'no one has seen before' - and does not rule out coronavirus escaped from a lab...
so what happens to china if this is true ?? will the world react ....
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-who-team-in-wuhan-sees-data-no-one-has-seen-before-and-does-not-rule-out-coronavirus-escaped-from-a-lab-12206781
Theres a professor called Brett weinstein, did a podcast with Joe rogan, and in that talk he said what his research has lead him to believe, the virus was created indoors due to it being susceptible to uv"
I have not researched prof Weinstein, so forgive me if mere mortal me questions a man of education, but UV light is a very good disinfectant, expensive but effective swimming pool disinfection systems exist, so not sure if UV susceptibility is an indication of much. |
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"Just read a headline saying that they've found no evidence that covid escaped from a lab and are ow going to go into some bat caves.
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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago
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"Just read a headline saying that they've found no evidence that covid escaped from a lab and are ow going to go into some bat caves.
I wonder if Robin's in there "
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"COVID-19: WHO team in Wuhan sees data 'no one has seen before' - and does not rule out coronavirus escaped from a lab...
so what happens to china if this is true ?? will the world react ....
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-who-team-in-wuhan-sees-data-no-one-has-seen-before-and-does-not-rule-out-coronavirus-escaped-from-a-lab-12206781
Theres a professor called Brett weinstein, did a podcast with Joe rogan, and in that talk he said what his research has lead him to believe, the virus was created indoors due to it being susceptible to uv
I have not researched prof Weinstein, so forgive me if mere mortal me questions a man of education, but UV light is a very good disinfectant, expensive but effective swimming pool disinfection systems exist, so not sure if UV susceptibility is an indication of much."
Many infections organisms are inhibited by UV wavelengths, especially intracellular ones. Susceptibility to UV is, in my humble scientific opinion, irrelevant |
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"Just read a headline saying that they've found no evidence that covid escaped from a lab and are ow going to go into some bat caves.
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Getting a free guided safari tour on expenses. They'll suddenly have some chiropterologists on the team. |
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"Just read a headline saying that they've found no evidence that covid escaped from a lab and are ow going to go into some bat caves.
Getting a free guided safari tour on expenses. They'll suddenly have some chiropterologists on the team. "
Space suited up in caves full of potentially fang bat shit. Not my idea of a good time but you do you |
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"Just read a headline saying that they've found no evidence that covid escaped from a lab and are ow going to go into some bat caves.
Getting a free guided safari tour on expenses. They'll suddenly have some chiropterologists on the team.
Space suited up in caves full of potentially fang bat shit. Not my idea of a good time but you do you "
Full of bat shit.
Dunno why auto carrot did that |
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"COVID-19: WHO team in Wuhan sees data 'no one has seen before' - and does not rule out coronavirus escaped from a lab...
so what happens to china if this is true ?? will the world react ....
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-who-team-in-wuhan-sees-data-no-one-has-seen-before-and-does-not-rule-out-coronavirus-escaped-from-a-lab-12206781
Theres a professor called Brett weinstein, did a podcast with Joe rogan, and in that talk he said what his research has lead him to believe, the virus was created indoors due to it being susceptible to uv
I have not researched prof Weinstein, so forgive me if mere mortal me questions a man of education, but UV light is a very good disinfectant, expensive but effective swimming pool disinfection systems exist, so not sure if UV susceptibility is an indication of much."
It is, that's true (also what trump was attempting to say when he was riffing off prompter, like he always did, when he mentioned disinfectant lol). It was hard for me to follow because I don't really have that level of understanding when it comes to science, but something about it wasn't sitting right with him for some reason. |
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Interesting note re who funds who...
"Two countries account for over half the unpaid membership dues at the World Health Organisation: on 31 March, the United States owed $196 million, while China’s outstanding bill stood at $57 million." |
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Would be interesting to see their budget. Honestly, before COVID, and in between SARS and Bird Flu and the rest of it, they must “earn” millions a day...to do what? If they had the overhead and readiness required of the UN I might understand. |
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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago
The South |
"And where did the lab get it from, the moon. China keep bringing shit back from the moon. They bloody sent a probe there again before Christmas and no one stopped them not even NASA who knew about the virus since 69.
Well, it's quite obvious where they got the virus isn't it? All they had to do was catch a bat and take a blood sample, no rocket required... What exactly do you think goes on in a place called The Wuhan Institute of Virology? Now I'm no rocket scientist, but I do think the clue is in the name. Scientists are always sampling the local wildlife the world over... I was with some scientist this time last year who were tagging manta rays in Indonesia, they'd come from Auckland Uni to study them.
I wasn't suggesting in my post that the virus that escaped had be manipulated in anyway, the Institute of Virology is the logical place for them to have an inventory of viruses that occur in the environment in China. It would surely be a bit silly to say a lab with a name like that wouldn't be looking at many different types of virus, even if it is prevalent in the native wildlife.
It doesn't take much googling to confirm that SARS was released from the Beijing Institute of virology twice in 2004 alone.
In a country with a history of poor bio security, which is known to avoid telling the truth at all costs to save face, it's a likely scenario.
Or you could blame it on the wet market across the road, that may or may have been selling what many Asians have for 1000's of years considered a tasty snack...
Of course over 12 months, probably more like 15-18 months, there isn't going to much in the lab that the Chinese aren't happy for the WHO inspectors to see. "
One of the few sensible contributions to the thread.
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The head WHO investigator from China is stating that all the evidence and findings are those provided by the Chinese themselves. It’s like the cops showing up on the door of a domestic violence call and the one not in a bloody pile on the floor answering the door, providing information on their own investigation as to what went on inside and sending the cops on their way. |
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"Just read a headline saying that they've found no evidence that covid escaped from a lab and are ow going to go into some bat caves.
Getting a free guided safari tour on expenses. They'll suddenly have some chiropterologists on the team.
Space suited up in caves full of potentially fang bat shit. Not my idea of a good time but you do you
Full of bat shit.
Dunno why auto carrot did that"
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"The head WHO investigator from China is stating that all the evidence and findings are those provided by the Chinese themselves. It’s like the cops showing up on the door of a domestic violence call and the one not in a bloody pile on the floor answering the door, providing information on their own investigation as to what went on inside and sending the cops on their way."
True and the cops waiting a whole year so any evidence is cleaned up.
The whole world know the virus came from the lab but China will get away with it as usual. |
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By *ocbigMan
over a year ago
Birmingham |
Apportioning blame does not help, so China ‘getting away with it ‘ is a moot point. There is a need to find the source purely from a prevention point of view to make this less likely in the future & possibly to assist in formulating cures or further vaccines. |
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"Apportioning blame does not help, so China ‘getting away with it ‘ is a moot point. There is a need to find the source purely from a prevention point of view to make this less likely in the future & possibly to assist in formulating cures or further vaccines. "
Well the issue surely murphys law. If we have labs that are looking at how to weaponise virus and biogical weapons, one day it will go wrong. This is a warning shot. The next one may not be as friendly. |
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over a year ago
The South |
"The head WHO investigator from China is stating that all the evidence and findings are those provided by the Chinese themselves. It’s like the cops showing up on the door of a domestic violence call and the one not in a bloody pile on the floor answering the door, providing information on their own investigation as to what went on inside and sending the cops on their way.
True and the cops waiting a whole year so any evidence is cleaned up.
The whole world know the virus came from the lab but China will get away with it as usual."
I like the way people think an investigation like this takes place.
It's not like an episode of the Sweeney, where Regan kicks the door down and the Flying Squad rush in and rummage about under the kitchen sink, looking for evidence of some toerag they "like for this"
Nick him George.......
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"The head WHO investigator from China is stating that all the evidence and findings are those provided by the Chinese themselves. It’s like the cops showing up on the door of a domestic violence call and the one not in a bloody pile on the floor answering the door, providing information on their own investigation as to what went on inside and sending the cops on their way.
True and the cops waiting a whole year so any evidence is cleaned up.
The whole world know the virus came from the lab but China will get away with it as usual.
I like the way people think an investigation like this takes place.
It's not like an episode of the Sweeney, where Regan kicks the door down and the Flying Squad rush in and rummage about under the kitchen sink, looking for evidence of some toerag they "like for this"
Nick him George.......
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We're the sweeney son and we haven't had any dinner. |
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over a year ago
The South |
"The head WHO investigator from China is stating that all the evidence and findings are those provided by the Chinese themselves. It’s like the cops showing up on the door of a domestic violence call and the one not in a bloody pile on the floor answering the door, providing information on their own investigation as to what went on inside and sending the cops on their way.
True and the cops waiting a whole year so any evidence is cleaned up.
The whole world know the virus came from the lab but China will get away with it as usual.
I like the way people think an investigation like this takes place.
It's not like an episode of the Sweeney, where Regan kicks the door down and the Flying Squad rush in and rummage about under the kitchen sink, looking for evidence of some toerag they "like for this"
Nick him George.......
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We're the sweeney son and we haven't had any dinner. "
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