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"If anyone wants to continue Someone mentioned that lockdown has resulted in poverty, mental health issues and hunger. Did we not have those issues pre covid.?" dont forget the wives leaving the men and them committing suicide too ... can’t believe i didnt realise we lived in utopia pre lockdown | |||
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" It is an absolute scandal what is happening, but, resistance is growing by the day as we are now seeing. They have taken our jobs, our homes, with multiple business closures, our social lives, our families, our friends, our right to medical care because Covid is prioritised. They try to fine us if we step out of line according to whatever new rules they’ve put in place that week and now they are taking your children’s education. Perhaps even more worryingly in the process they have taken your sanity, your mental health and your hope. People have been slowly conditioned into fearing a virus instead of our government. You cannot get away from it, in the shops tannoy systems repeatedly blare out the mantra to keep your distance, wear the mask, adverts on tv, on the radio. Now we have vaccines that we’re told don’t stop you from spreading it. People need to wake the fuck up and say enough is enough. " Lol cool story bro | |||
" It is an absolute scandal what is happening, but, resistance is growing by the day as we are now seeing. They have taken our jobs, our homes, with multiple business closures, our social lives, our families, our friends, our right to medical care because Covid is prioritised. They try to fine us if we step out of line according to whatever new rules they’ve put in place that week and now they are taking your children’s education. Perhaps even more worryingly in the process they have taken your sanity, your mental health and your hope. People have been slowly conditioned into fearing a virus instead of our government. You cannot get away from it, in the shops tannoy systems repeatedly blare out the mantra to keep your distance, wear the mask, adverts on tv, on the radio. Now we have vaccines that we’re told don’t stop you from spreading it. People need to wake the fuck up and say enough is enough. " Is there any fact based evidence for these claims? | |||
"If anyone wants to continue Someone mentioned that lockdown has resulted in poverty, mental health issues and hunger. Did we not have those issues pre covid.? dont forget the wives leaving the men and them committing suicide too ... can’t believe i didnt realise we lived in utopia pre lockdown " Statistically less likely, same as vast majority of homeless are men, along with a huge portion of mums & kids too (kids keep mum going, gotta do it for them) this I know, my kids have got me through some dark places, if I didn't have them could have been so much different. | |||
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" It is an absolute scandal what is happening, but, resistance is growing by the day as we are now seeing. They have taken our jobs, our homes, with multiple business closures, our social lives, our families, our friends, our right to medical care because Covid is prioritised. They try to fine us if we step out of line according to whatever new rules they’ve put in place that week and now they are taking your children’s education. Perhaps even more worryingly in the process they have taken your sanity, your mental health and your hope. People have been slowly conditioned into fearing a virus instead of our government. You cannot get away from it, in the shops tannoy systems repeatedly blare out the mantra to keep your distance, wear the mask, adverts on tv, on the radio. Now we have vaccines that we’re told don’t stop you from spreading it. People need to wake the fuck up and say enough is enough. " Mel Gibson? | |||
" It is an absolute scandal what is happening, but, resistance is growing by the day as we are now seeing. They have taken our jobs, our homes, with multiple business closures, our social lives, our families, our friends, our right to medical care because Covid is prioritised. They try to fine us if we step out of line according to whatever new rules they’ve put in place that week and now they are taking your children’s education. Perhaps even more worryingly in the process they have taken your sanity, your mental health and your hope. People have been slowly conditioned into fearing a virus instead of our government. You cannot get away from it, in the shops tannoy systems repeatedly blare out the mantra to keep your distance, wear the mask, adverts on tv, on the radio. Now we have vaccines that we’re told don’t stop you from spreading it. People need to wake the fuck up and say enough is enough. Is there any fact based evidence for these claims?" Actually there is, 2nd edition of the justice factory  bezo's place has it (grr)
The author is the same guy who exposed a magistrate/judge cover up. | |||
" It is an absolute scandal what is happening, but, resistance is growing by the day as we are now seeing. They have taken our jobs, our homes, with multiple business closures, our social lives, our families, our friends, our right to medical care because Covid is prioritised. They try to fine us if we step out of line according to whatever new rules they’ve put in place that week and now they are taking your children’s education. Perhaps even more worryingly in the process they have taken your sanity, your mental health and your hope. People have been slowly conditioned into fearing a virus instead of our government. You cannot get away from it, in the shops tannoy systems repeatedly blare out the mantra to keep your distance, wear the mask, adverts on tv, on the radio. Now we have vaccines that we’re told don’t stop you from spreading it. People need to wake the fuck up and say enough is enough. " While you're entitled to an opinion on the the way the gov has handled the situation. I'd suggest that the full tin foil hat idea that were all being controlled in some sort of 1984 style conspiracy is staggeringly naive. Since our politicians can't agree with each other, isn't it strange that all of the government's in the world agree that the pandemic exists, and broadly act the same way about it? Or is all news reporting fake and the rest of the world is carrying on normally while we're lied to in the UK? Doesn't it seem more likely that no one knows exactly how to 'win' in this situation and they're trying to appear confident to reduce panic? Surprisingly, we had laws, fines and announcements about public health before this, they just weren't front page news. | |||
"Everyone is entitled to an opinion just because it differs from your own doesn’t make it wrong, lockdown is destroying livelihoods and business the same businesses that pay tax to fund the nhs and all other public services, it the wealth generators who are suffering remember all government money comes from wealth generating businesses not public services, the basic economic fact is we need to get back to work ... This is a very fair and balanced view on where we are." Public sector workers pay tax and believe in it or not spend money on other things etc.. | |||
" It is an absolute scandal what is happening, but, resistance is growing by the day as we are now seeing. They have taken our jobs, our homes, with multiple business closures, our social lives, our families, our friends, our right to medical care because Covid is prioritised. They try to fine us if we step out of line according to whatever new rules they’ve put in place that week and now they are taking your children’s education. Perhaps even more worryingly in the process they have taken your sanity, your mental health and your hope. People have been slowly conditioned into fearing a virus instead of our government. You cannot get away from it, in the shops tannoy systems repeatedly blare out the mantra to keep your distance, wear the mask, adverts on tv, on the radio. Now we have vaccines that we’re told don’t stop you from spreading it. People need to wake the fuck up and say enough is enough. While you're entitled to an opinion on the the way the gov has handled the situation. I'd suggest that the full tin foil hat idea that were all being controlled in some sort of 1984 style conspiracy is staggeringly naive. Since our politicians can't agree with each other, isn't it strange that all of the government's in the world agree that the pandemic exists, and broadly act the same way about it? Or is all news reporting fake and the rest of the world is carrying on normally while we're lied to in the UK? Doesn't it seem more likely that no one knows exactly how to 'win' in this situation and they're trying to appear confident to reduce panic? Surprisingly, we had laws, fines and announcements about public health before this, they just weren't front page news." Yeah, I'm not sure many are impressed with the government, but this tinfoil garbage is just that. | |||
"If anyone wants to continue Someone mentioned that lockdown has resulted in poverty, mental health issues and hunger. Did we not have those issues pre covid.?" Funny how you are not prepared to read a scientific, peer reviewed and published study that disagrees with what you are saying. Its the same story.. 'provide evidence of your claims'... I (or others provide said evidence).. ignored/don't want to read it. Same with the studies on HCQ (one even published by Fauci), same with the mask studies (some even commissioned by the WHO). COVID is not a pandemic. it is a CASEdemic... there is actual science behind my claim, not just opinion. | |||
" It is an absolute scandal what is happening, but, resistance is growing by the day as we are now seeing. They have taken our jobs, our homes, with multiple business closures, our social lives, our families, our friends, our right to medical care because Covid is prioritised. They try to fine us if we step out of line according to whatever new rules they’ve put in place that week and now they are taking your children’s education. Perhaps even more worryingly in the process they have taken your sanity, your mental health and your hope. People have been slowly conditioned into fearing a virus instead of our government. You cannot get away from it, in the shops tannoy systems repeatedly blare out the mantra to keep your distance, wear the mask, adverts on tv, on the radio. Now we have vaccines that we’re told don’t stop you from spreading it. People need to wake the fuck up and say enough is enough. " The resistance is growing for what? To boldly go and infect loved ones at a time when we have ICU's full, the NHS under extreme pressure .. Meaningless cliches wrought piffle fella, you offer no alternative so no wonder the resistance seems to consist of people getting legless or off their boxes at raves.. | |||
"Everyone is entitled to an opinion just because it differs from your own doesn’t make it wrong, lockdown is destroying livelihoods and business the same businesses that pay tax to fund the nhs and all other public services, it the wealth generators who are suffering remember all government money comes from wealth generating businesses not public services, the basic economic fact is we need to get back to work ... This is a very fair and balanced view on where we are." a view that considers only one side of one impact doesn’t become fair and balanced just because you state that at the end | |||
"If anyone wants to continue Someone mentioned that lockdown has resulted in poverty, mental health issues and hunger. Did we not have those issues pre covid.? Funny how you are not prepared to read a scientific, peer reviewed and published study that disagrees with what you are saying. Its the same story.. 'provide evidence of your claims'... I (or others provide said evidence).. ignored/don't want to read it. Same with the studies on HCQ (one even published by Fauci), same with the mask studies (some even commissioned by the WHO). COVID is not a pandemic. it is a CASEdemic... there is actual science behind my claim, not just opinion." Perhaps make it known to Sage? Or they've already seen it and in their opinions it's not the recommended course of action they think most effective? | |||
"If anyone wants to continue Someone mentioned that lockdown has resulted in poverty, mental health issues and hunger. Did we not have those issues pre covid.? Funny how you are not prepared to read a scientific, peer reviewed and published study that disagrees with what you are saying. Its the same story.. 'provide evidence of your claims'... I (or others provide said evidence).. ignored/don't want to read it. Same with the studies on HCQ (one even published by Fauci), same with the mask studies (some even commissioned by the WHO). COVID is not a pandemic. it is a CASEdemic... there is actual science behind my claim, not just opinion." Bullshit | |||
" It is an absolute scandal what is happening, but, resistance is growing by the day as we are now seeing. They have taken our jobs, our homes, with multiple business closures, our social lives, our families, our friends, our right to medical care because Covid is prioritised. They try to fine us if we step out of line according to whatever new rules they’ve put in place that week and now they are taking your children’s education. Perhaps even more worryingly in the process they have taken your sanity, your mental health and your hope. People have been slowly conditioned into fearing a virus instead of our government. You cannot get away from it, in the shops tannoy systems repeatedly blare out the mantra to keep your distance, wear the mask, adverts on tv, on the radio. Now we have vaccines that we’re told don’t stop you from spreading it. People need to wake the fuck up and say enough is enough. While you're entitled to an opinion on the the way the gov has handled the situation. I'd suggest that the full tin foil hat idea that were all being controlled in some sort of 1984 style conspiracy is staggeringly naive. Since our politicians can't agree with each other, isn't it strange that all of the government's in the world agree that the pandemic exists, and broadly act the same way about it? Or is all news reporting fake and the rest of the world is carrying on normally while we're lied to in the UK? Doesn't it seem more likely that no one knows exactly how to 'win' in this situation and they're trying to appear confident to reduce panic? Surprisingly, we had laws, fines and announcements about public health before this, they just weren't front page news." To be fair, he never said the pandemuc didn't exist. | |||
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"Everyone is entitled to an opinion just because it differs from your own doesn’t make it wrong, lockdown is destroying livelihoods and business the same businesses that pay tax to fund the nhs and all other public services, it the wealth generators who are suffering remember all government money comes from wealth generating businesses not public services, the basic economic fact is we need to get back to work ... This is a very fair and balanced view on where we are. a view that considers only one side of one impact doesn’t become fair and balanced just because you state that at the end " But it’s fact isn’t it, you can’t deny that taxes pay for society so we have to keep the economy functioning to keep the wheels turning | |||
" It is an absolute scandal what is happening, but, resistance is growing by the day as we are now seeing. They have taken our jobs, our homes, with multiple business closures, our social lives, our families, our friends, our right to medical care because Covid is prioritised. They try to fine us if we step out of line according to whatever new rules they’ve put in place that week and now they are taking your children’s education. Perhaps even more worryingly in the process they have taken your sanity, your mental health and your hope. People have been slowly conditioned into fearing a virus instead of our government. You cannot get away from it, in the shops tannoy systems repeatedly blare out the mantra to keep your distance, wear the mask, adverts on tv, on the radio. Now we have vaccines that we’re told don’t stop you from spreading it. People need to wake the fuck up and say enough is enough. While you're entitled to an opinion on the the way the gov has handled the situation. I'd suggest that the full tin foil hat idea that were all being controlled in some sort of 1984 style conspiracy is staggeringly naive. Since our politicians can't agree with each other, isn't it strange that all of the government's in the world agree that the pandemic exists, and broadly act the same way about it? Or is all news reporting fake and the rest of the world is carrying on normally while we're lied to in the UK? Doesn't it seem more likely that no one knows exactly how to 'win' in this situation and they're trying to appear confident to reduce panic? Surprisingly, we had laws, fines and announcements about public health before this, they just weren't front page news." China done it first rest copied in panic & are still going "oh s**t, what do we do? let's do what they are doing" One of the countries with the worst human rights abuses and most secretive in the world, but hey can build a hospital in 10 days, must be good right. They got everyone frightened and then looked...oh this is easy when everyone's locked up, can't see what we're doing & can't stop us, let's do it this way. Like Nicola closing a border that legally she can't & pushing again for independence despite all this..her mask is slipping though. Go watch any dystopian & listen to the 'government announcements' the little words like, 'we may', 'we're unable to predict' even 'new strains' the go watch the gov press releases...I swear the government has been taking their scripts from those films... it's shocking similar to now. Even things like trying to force folk with invisible disabilities to wear a lanyard or a badge so they don't get challenged, it's like the yellow stars in ww2 that some were made to wear (I'm not allowed to say it). It puts a viable symbol on that person who others will avoid through fear and ignorance ostrichizing the wearer from society. This alone could reverse a century of fighting for equality because it discriminate and marginalises.  | |||
"If anyone wants to continue Someone mentioned that lockdown has resulted in poverty, mental health issues and hunger. Did we not have those issues pre covid.? Funny how you are not prepared to read a scientific, peer reviewed and published study that disagrees with what you are saying. Its the same story.. 'provide evidence of your claims'... I (or others provide said evidence).. ignored/don't want to read it. Same with the studies on HCQ (one even published by Fauci), same with the mask studies (some even commissioned by the WHO). COVID is not a pandemic. it is a CASEdemic... there is actual science behind my claim, not just opinion." I don't think anyone refutes the idea that any measures we put in place have only minimal impact. Some of that is down to the less than consistent application of those measures. Regardless of what you label covid. It increases people's risk of dying. It can cause serious illness and we'll begin finding out soon enough if it has any long term effect on your health if you've had it. I think it's great that there are now so many scientific studies showing how effective certain measures and behaviours are. But we didn't have those a year ago. Don't forget the level of impact on people's behaviour of telling them it's not a pandemic, or we're being lied to. All of these things affect how people behave. If we all had everybody's safety in mind rather than looking for someone to blame, we'd likely be past the worst of this already. | |||
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" It is an absolute scandal what is happening, but, resistance is growing by the day as we are now seeing. They have taken our jobs, our homes, with multiple business closures, our social lives, our families, our friends, our right to medical care because Covid is prioritised. They try to fine us if we step out of line according to whatever new rules they’ve put in place that week and now they are taking your children’s education. Perhaps even more worryingly in the process they have taken your sanity, your mental health and your hope. People have been slowly conditioned into fearing a virus instead of our government. You cannot get away from it, in the shops tannoy systems repeatedly blare out the mantra to keep your distance, wear the mask, adverts on tv, on the radio. Now we have vaccines that we’re told don’t stop you from spreading it. People need to wake the fuck up and say enough is enough. While you're entitled to an opinion on the the way the gov has handled the situation. I'd suggest that the full tin foil hat idea that were all being controlled in some sort of 1984 style conspiracy is staggeringly naive. Since our politicians can't agree with each other, isn't it strange that all of the government's in the world agree that the pandemic exists, and broadly act the same way about it? Or is all news reporting fake and the rest of the world is carrying on normally while we're lied to in the UK? Doesn't it seem more likely that no one knows exactly how to 'win' in this situation and they're trying to appear confident to reduce panic? Surprisingly, we had laws, fines and announcements about public health before this, they just weren't front page news. To be fair, he never said the pandemuc didn't exist. " So what is the message in the post? | |||
"If anyone wants to continue Someone mentioned that lockdown has resulted in poverty, mental health issues and hunger. Did we not have those issues pre covid.? Funny how you are not prepared to read a scientific, peer reviewed and published study that disagrees with what you are saying. Its the same story.. 'provide evidence of your claims'... I (or others provide said evidence).. ignored/don't want to read it. Same with the studies on HCQ (one even published by Fauci), same with the mask studies (some even commissioned by the WHO). COVID is not a pandemic. it is a CASEdemic... there is actual science behind my claim, not just opinion. Bullshit "Statement made by WHO. that PCR CT is set too high leading to false positives. Court ruling (upheld on appeal) that PCR is 97%+ false positives. 183 studies that show or suggest that not only is mask wearing ineffective vs a virus but can also lead to respiratory infections. Quote by Dr Fauci in "This week in Virology" back in JULY. In which he said. "If you get a cycle threshold of 35 or more ... the chances of it being replication -[competent] are minuscule." | |||
" It is an absolute scandal what is happening, but, resistance is growing by the day as we are now seeing. They have taken our jobs, our homes, with multiple business closures, our social lives, our families, our friends, our right to medical care because Covid is prioritised. They try to fine us if we step out of line according to whatever new rules they’ve put in place that week and now they are taking your children’s education. Perhaps even more worryingly in the process they have taken your sanity, your mental health and your hope. People have been slowly conditioned into fearing a virus instead of our government. You cannot get away from it, in the shops tannoy systems repeatedly blare out the mantra to keep your distance, wear the mask, adverts on tv, on the radio. Now we have vaccines that we’re told don’t stop you from spreading it. People need to wake the fuck up and say enough is enough. While you're entitled to an opinion on the the way the gov has handled the situation. I'd suggest that the full tin foil hat idea that were all being controlled in some sort of 1984 style conspiracy is staggeringly naive. Since our politicians can't agree with each other, isn't it strange that all of the government's in the world agree that the pandemic exists, and broadly act the same way about it? Or is all news reporting fake and the rest of the world is carrying on normally while we're lied to in the UK? Doesn't it seem more likely that no one knows exactly how to 'win' in this situation and they're trying to appear confident to reduce panic? Surprisingly, we had laws, fines and announcements about public health before this, they just weren't front page news. China done it first rest copied in panic & are still going "oh s**t, what do we do? let's do what they are doing" One of the countries with the worst human rights abuses and most secretive in the world, but hey can build a hospital in 10 days, must be good right. They got everyone frightened and then looked...oh this is easy when everyone's locked up, can't see what we're doing & can't stop us, let's do it this way. Like Nicola closing a border that legally she can't & pushing again for independence despite all this..her mask is slipping though. Go watch any dystopian & listen to the 'government announcements' the little words like, 'we may', 'we're unable to predict' even 'new strains' the go watch the gov press releases...I swear the government has been taking their scripts from those films... it's shocking similar to now. Even things like trying to force folk with invisible disabilities to wear a lanyard or a badge so they don't get challenged, it's like the yellow stars in ww2 that some were made to wear (I'm not allowed to say it). It puts a viable symbol on that person who others will avoid through fear and ignorance ostrichizing the wearer from society. This alone could reverse a century of fighting for equality because it discriminate and marginalises. "Who is trying to force folk to wear lanyards? | |||
"If anyone wants to continue Someone mentioned that lockdown has resulted in poverty, mental health issues and hunger. Did we not have those issues pre covid.? Funny how you are not prepared to read a scientific, peer reviewed and published study that disagrees with what you are saying. Its the same story.. 'provide evidence of your claims'... I (or others provide said evidence).. ignored/don't want to read it. Same with the studies on HCQ (one even published by Fauci), same with the mask studies (some even commissioned by the WHO). COVID is not a pandemic. it is a CASEdemic... there is actual science behind my claim, not just opinion. Bullshit
Statement made by WHO. that PCR CT is set too high leading to false positives.
Court ruling (upheld on appeal) that PCR is 97%+ false positives.
183 studies that show or suggest that not only is mask wearing ineffective vs a virus but can also lead to respiratory infections.
Quote by Dr Fauci in "This week in Virology" back in JULY. In which he said.
"If you get a cycle threshold of 35 or more ... the chances of it being replication -[competent] are minuscule.""Cool selective quotation bro. | |||
"If anyone wants to continue Someone mentioned that lockdown has resulted in poverty, mental health issues and hunger. Did we not have those issues pre covid.?" I think it's whataboutery. Lockdown harms me personally while austerity does not. I do not think Covid will harm me, but lockdown does. Me me me. | |||
" It is an absolute scandal what is happening, but, resistance is growing by the day as we are now seeing. They have taken our jobs, our homes, with multiple business closures, our social lives, our families, our friends, our right to medical care because Covid is prioritised. They try to fine us if we step out of line according to whatever new rules they’ve put in place that week and now they are taking your children’s education. Perhaps even more worryingly in the process they have taken your sanity, your mental health and your hope. People have been slowly conditioned into fearing a virus instead of our government. You cannot get away from it, in the shops tannoy systems repeatedly blare out the mantra to keep your distance, wear the mask, adverts on tv, on the radio. Now we have vaccines that we’re told don’t stop you from spreading it. People need to wake the fuck up and say enough is enough. While you're entitled to an opinion on the the way the gov has handled the situation. I'd suggest that the full tin foil hat idea that were all being controlled in some sort of 1984 style conspiracy is staggeringly naive. Since our politicians can't agree with each other, isn't it strange that all of the government's in the world agree that the pandemic exists, and broadly act the same way about it? Or is all news reporting fake and the rest of the world is carrying on normally while we're lied to in the UK? Doesn't it seem more likely that no one knows exactly how to 'win' in this situation and they're trying to appear confident to reduce panic? Surprisingly, we had laws, fines and announcements about public health before this, they just weren't front page news. To be fair, he never said the pandemuc didn't exist. So what is the message in the post? " Not that one. | |||
" It is an absolute scandal what is happening, but, resistance is growing by the day as we are now seeing. They have taken our jobs, our homes, with multiple business closures, our social lives, our families, our friends, our right to medical care because Covid is prioritised. They try to fine us if we step out of line according to whatever new rules they’ve put in place that week and now they are taking your children’s education. Perhaps even more worryingly in the process they have taken your sanity, your mental health and your hope. People have been slowly conditioned into fearing a virus instead of our government. You cannot get away from it, in the shops tannoy systems repeatedly blare out the mantra to keep your distance, wear the mask, adverts on tv, on the radio. Now we have vaccines that we’re told don’t stop you from spreading it. People need to wake the fuck up and say enough is enough. While you're entitled to an opinion on the the way the gov has handled the situation. I'd suggest that the full tin foil hat idea that were all being controlled in some sort of 1984 style conspiracy is staggeringly naive. Since our politicians can't agree with each other, isn't it strange that all of the government's in the world agree that the pandemic exists, and broadly act the same way about it? Or is all news reporting fake and the rest of the world is carrying on normally while we're lied to in the UK? Doesn't it seem more likely that no one knows exactly how to 'win' in this situation and they're trying to appear confident to reduce panic? Surprisingly, we had laws, fines and announcements about public health before this, they just weren't front page news. China done it first rest copied in panic & are still going "oh s**t, what do we do? let's do what they are doing" One of the countries with the worst human rights abuses and most secretive in the world, but hey can build a hospital in 10 days, must be good right. They got everyone frightened and then looked...oh this is easy when everyone's locked up, can't see what we're doing & can't stop us, let's do it this way. Like Nicola closing a border that legally she can't & pushing again for independence despite all this..her mask is slipping though. Go watch any dystopian & listen to the 'government announcements' the little words like, 'we may', 'we're unable to predict' even 'new strains' the go watch the gov press releases...I swear the government has been taking their scripts from those films... it's shocking similar to now. Even things like trying to force folk with invisible disabilities to wear a lanyard or a badge so they don't get challenged, it's like the yellow stars in ww2 that some were made to wear (I'm not allowed to say it). It puts a viable symbol on that person who others will avoid through fear and ignorance ostrichizing the wearer from society. This alone could reverse a century of fighting for equality because it discriminate and marginalises.
Who is trying to force folk to wear lanyards? "Erm anyone who challenged them I.e shop staff, police, general public etc who have absolutely no right to medical history or personal history to even justify asking. Saying I'm exempt is becoming not enough, been challenged twice in past week where the basically wanted me to tell a whole foyer of people what my disability is & why I can't wear a mask & that I didn't want to be challenged I should get a lanyard & put a big old label on myself saying so...you know so you can avoid me & all. | |||
" It is an absolute scandal what is happening, but, resistance is growing by the day as we are now seeing. They have taken our jobs, our homes, with multiple business closures, our social lives, our families, our friends, our right to medical care because Covid is prioritised. They try to fine us if we step out of line according to whatever new rules they’ve put in place that week and now they are taking your children’s education. Perhaps even more worryingly in the process they have taken your sanity, your mental health and your hope. People have been slowly conditioned into fearing a virus instead of our government. You cannot get away from it, in the shops tannoy systems repeatedly blare out the mantra to keep your distance, wear the mask, adverts on tv, on the radio. Now we have vaccines that we’re told don’t stop you from spreading it. People need to wake the fuck up and say enough is enough. While you're entitled to an opinion on the the way the gov has handled the situation. I'd suggest that the full tin foil hat idea that were all being controlled in some sort of 1984 style conspiracy is staggeringly naive. Since our politicians can't agree with each other, isn't it strange that all of the government's in the world agree that the pandemic exists, and broadly act the same way about it? Or is all news reporting fake and the rest of the world is carrying on normally while we're lied to in the UK? Doesn't it seem more likely that no one knows exactly how to 'win' in this situation and they're trying to appear confident to reduce panic? Surprisingly, we had laws, fines and announcements about public health before this, they just weren't front page news. China done it first rest copied in panic & are still going "oh s**t, what do we do? let's do what they are doing" One of the countries with the worst human rights abuses and most secretive in the world, but hey can build a hospital in 10 days, must be good right. They got everyone frightened and then looked...oh this is easy when everyone's locked up, can't see what we're doing & can't stop us, let's do it this way. Like Nicola closing a border that legally she can't & pushing again for independence despite all this..her mask is slipping though. Go watch any dystopian & listen to the 'government announcements' the little words like, 'we may', 'we're unable to predict' even 'new strains' the go watch the gov press releases...I swear the government has been taking their scripts from those films... it's shocking similar to now. Even things like trying to force folk with invisible disabilities to wear a lanyard or a badge so they don't get challenged, it's like the yellow stars in ww2 that some were made to wear (I'm not allowed to say it). It puts a viable symbol on that person who others will avoid through fear and ignorance ostrichizing the wearer from society. This alone could reverse a century of fighting for equality because it discriminate and marginalises.
Who is trying to force folk to wear lanyards? "You have to wear one if you are medically exempt. Some businesses and shops won't allow you to enter if you don't have one and aren't wearing a face covering. | |||
" It is an absolute scandal what is happening, but, resistance is growing by the day as we are now seeing. They have taken our jobs, our homes, with multiple business closures, our social lives, our families, our friends, our right to medical care because Covid is prioritised. They try to fine us if we step out of line according to whatever new rules they’ve put in place that week and now they are taking your children’s education. Perhaps even more worryingly in the process they have taken your sanity, your mental health and your hope. People have been slowly conditioned into fearing a virus instead of our government. You cannot get away from it, in the shops tannoy systems repeatedly blare out the mantra to keep your distance, wear the mask, adverts on tv, on the radio. Now we have vaccines that we’re told don’t stop you from spreading it. People need to wake the fuck up and say enough is enough. While you're entitled to an opinion on the the way the gov has handled the situation. I'd suggest that the full tin foil hat idea that were all being controlled in some sort of 1984 style conspiracy is staggeringly naive. Since our politicians can't agree with each other, isn't it strange that all of the government's in the world agree that the pandemic exists, and broadly act the same way about it? Or is all news reporting fake and the rest of the world is carrying on normally while we're lied to in the UK? Doesn't it seem more likely that no one knows exactly how to 'win' in this situation and they're trying to appear confident to reduce panic? Surprisingly, we had laws, fines and announcements about public health before this, they just weren't front page news. China done it first rest copied in panic & are still going "oh s**t, what do we do? let's do what they are doing" One of the countries with the worst human rights abuses and most secretive in the world, but hey can build a hospital in 10 days, must be good right. They got everyone frightened and then looked...oh this is easy when everyone's locked up, can't see what we're doing & can't stop us, let's do it this way. Like Nicola closing a border that legally she can't & pushing again for independence despite all this..her mask is slipping though. Go watch any dystopian & listen to the 'government announcements' the little words like, 'we may', 'we're unable to predict' even 'new strains' the go watch the gov press releases...I swear the government has been taking their scripts from those films... it's shocking similar to now. Even things like trying to force folk with invisible disabilities to wear a lanyard or a badge so they don't get challenged, it's like the yellow stars in ww2 that some were made to wear (I'm not allowed to say it). It puts a viable symbol on that person who others will avoid through fear and ignorance ostrichizing the wearer from society. This alone could reverse a century of fighting for equality because it discriminate and marginalises. "As with any decision made by others, if you try hard enough, you can disagree. Not everyone agrees with how things are done. But democracy means that a majority of the country voted for this gov to make these decisions for us. Hard to see anyone doing much better in this situation to be honest. It's easy to throw blame and shade at people making impossible decisions. I know I wouldn't want to be deciding which businesses to close, whether to send kids home and where to find billions to fund furloughs and vaccine centres. | |||
" It is an absolute scandal what is happening, but, resistance is growing by the day as we are now seeing. They have taken our jobs, our homes, with multiple business closures, our social lives, our families, our friends, our right to medical care because Covid is prioritised. They try to fine us if we step out of line according to whatever new rules they’ve put in place that week and now they are taking your children’s education. Perhaps even more worryingly in the process they have taken your sanity, your mental health and your hope. People have been slowly conditioned into fearing a virus instead of our government. You cannot get away from it, in the shops tannoy systems repeatedly blare out the mantra to keep your distance, wear the mask, adverts on tv, on the radio. Now we have vaccines that we’re told don’t stop you from spreading it. People need to wake the fuck up and say enough is enough. While you're entitled to an opinion on the the way the gov has handled the situation. I'd suggest that the full tin foil hat idea that were all being controlled in some sort of 1984 style conspiracy is staggeringly naive. Since our politicians can't agree with each other, isn't it strange that all of the government's in the world agree that the pandemic exists, and broadly act the same way about it? Or is all news reporting fake and the rest of the world is carrying on normally while we're lied to in the UK? Doesn't it seem more likely that no one knows exactly how to 'win' in this situation and they're trying to appear confident to reduce panic? Surprisingly, we had laws, fines and announcements about public health before this, they just weren't front page news. China done it first rest copied in panic & are still going "oh s**t, what do we do? let's do what they are doing" One of the countries with the worst human rights abuses and most secretive in the world, but hey can build a hospital in 10 days, must be good right. They got everyone frightened and then looked...oh this is easy when everyone's locked up, can't see what we're doing & can't stop us, let's do it this way. Like Nicola closing a border that legally she can't & pushing again for independence despite all this..her mask is slipping though. Go watch any dystopian & listen to the 'government announcements' the little words like, 'we may', 'we're unable to predict' even 'new strains' the go watch the gov press releases...I swear the government has been taking their scripts from those films... it's shocking similar to now. Even things like trying to force folk with invisible disabilities to wear a lanyard or a badge so they don't get challenged, it's like the yellow stars in ww2 that some were made to wear (I'm not allowed to say it). It puts a viable symbol on that person who others will avoid through fear and ignorance ostrichizing the wearer from society. This alone could reverse a century of fighting for equality because it discriminate and marginalises.
Who is trying to force folk to wear lanyards?
Erm anyone who challenged them I.e shop staff, police, general public etc who have absolutely no right to medical history or personal history to even justify asking.
Saying I'm exempt is becoming not enough, been challenged twice in past week where the basically wanted me to tell a whole foyer of people what my disability is & why I can't wear a mask & that I didn't want to be challenged I should get a lanyard & put a big old label on myself saying so...you know so you can avoid me & all. "I still get filthy looks and people muttering even though I do wear one. | |||
" It is an absolute scandal what is happening, but, resistance is growing by the day as we are now seeing. They have taken our jobs, our homes, with multiple business closures, our social lives, our families, our friends, our right to medical care because Covid is prioritised. They try to fine us if we step out of line according to whatever new rules they’ve put in place that week and now they are taking your children’s education. Perhaps even more worryingly in the process they have taken your sanity, your mental health and your hope. People have been slowly conditioned into fearing a virus instead of our government. You cannot get away from it, in the shops tannoy systems repeatedly blare out the mantra to keep your distance, wear the mask, adverts on tv, on the radio. Now we have vaccines that we’re told don’t stop you from spreading it. People need to wake the fuck up and say enough is enough. While you're entitled to an opinion on the the way the gov has handled the situation. I'd suggest that the full tin foil hat idea that were all being controlled in some sort of 1984 style conspiracy is staggeringly naive. Since our politicians can't agree with each other, isn't it strange that all of the government's in the world agree that the pandemic exists, and broadly act the same way about it? Or is all news reporting fake and the rest of the world is carrying on normally while we're lied to in the UK? Doesn't it seem more likely that no one knows exactly how to 'win' in this situation and they're trying to appear confident to reduce panic? Surprisingly, we had laws, fines and announcements about public health before this, they just weren't front page news. China done it first rest copied in panic & are still going "oh s**t, what do we do? let's do what they are doing" One of the countries with the worst human rights abuses and most secretive in the world, but hey can build a hospital in 10 days, must be good right. They got everyone frightened and then looked...oh this is easy when everyone's locked up, can't see what we're doing & can't stop us, let's do it this way. Like Nicola closing a border that legally she can't & pushing again for independence despite all this..her mask is slipping though. Go watch any dystopian & listen to the 'government announcements' the little words like, 'we may', 'we're unable to predict' even 'new strains' the go watch the gov press releases...I swear the government has been taking their scripts from those films... it's shocking similar to now. Even things like trying to force folk with invisible disabilities to wear a lanyard or a badge so they don't get challenged, it's like the yellow stars in ww2 that some were made to wear (I'm not allowed to say it). It puts a viable symbol on that person who others will avoid through fear and ignorance ostrichizing the wearer from society. This alone could reverse a century of fighting for equality because it discriminate and marginalises.
Who is trying to force folk to wear lanyards?
You have to wear one if you are medically exempt. Some businesses and shops won't allow you to enter if you don't have one and aren't wearing a face covering. "A lot of that issue is businesses carrying out a duty of care to its employees rating to a covid safe risk assessment. There's no hint of actual discrimination. | |||
" It is an absolute scandal what is happening, but, resistance is growing by the day as we are now seeing. They have taken our jobs, our homes, with multiple business closures, our social lives, our families, our friends, our right to medical care because Covid is prioritised. They try to fine us if we step out of line according to whatever new rules they’ve put in place that week and now they are taking your children’s education. Perhaps even more worryingly in the process they have taken your sanity, your mental health and your hope. People have been slowly conditioned into fearing a virus instead of our government. You cannot get away from it, in the shops tannoy systems repeatedly blare out the mantra to keep your distance, wear the mask, adverts on tv, on the radio. Now we have vaccines that we’re told don’t stop you from spreading it. People need to wake the fuck up and say enough is enough. While you're entitled to an opinion on the the way the gov has handled the situation. I'd suggest that the full tin foil hat idea that were all being controlled in some sort of 1984 style conspiracy is staggeringly naive. Since our politicians can't agree with each other, isn't it strange that all of the government's in the world agree that the pandemic exists, and broadly act the same way about it? Or is all news reporting fake and the rest of the world is carrying on normally while we're lied to in the UK? Doesn't it seem more likely that no one knows exactly how to 'win' in this situation and they're trying to appear confident to reduce panic? Surprisingly, we had laws, fines and announcements about public health before this, they just weren't front page news. China done it first rest copied in panic & are still going "oh s**t, what do we do? let's do what they are doing" One of the countries with the worst human rights abuses and most secretive in the world, but hey can build a hospital in 10 days, must be good right. They got everyone frightened and then looked...oh this is easy when everyone's locked up, can't see what we're doing & can't stop us, let's do it this way. Like Nicola closing a border that legally she can't & pushing again for independence despite all this..her mask is slipping though. Go watch any dystopian & listen to the 'government announcements' the little words like, 'we may', 'we're unable to predict' even 'new strains' the go watch the gov press releases...I swear the government has been taking their scripts from those films... it's shocking similar to now. Even things like trying to force folk with invisible disabilities to wear a lanyard or a badge so they don't get challenged, it's like the yellow stars in ww2 that some were made to wear (I'm not allowed to say it). It puts a viable symbol on that person who others will avoid through fear and ignorance ostrichizing the wearer from society. This alone could reverse a century of fighting for equality because it discriminate and marginalises.
Who is trying to force folk to wear lanyards?
Erm anyone who challenged them I.e shop staff, police, general public etc who have absolutely no right to medical history or personal history to even justify asking.
Saying I'm exempt is becoming not enough, been challenged twice in past week where the basically wanted me to tell a whole foyer of people what my disability is & why I can't wear a mask & that I didn't want to be challenged I should get a lanyard & put a big old label on myself saying so...you know so you can avoid me & all.
I still get filthy looks and people muttering even though I do wear one. "Sadly some of that is caused by the number of people who should be wearing a mask, not doing so. People are scared. And scared people act irrationally, and aren't as mindful of others feeling as they should be. | |||
" It is an absolute scandal what is happening, but, resistance is growing by the day as we are now seeing. They have taken our jobs, our homes, with multiple business closures, our social lives, our families, our friends, our right to medical care because Covid is prioritised. They try to fine us if we step out of line according to whatever new rules they’ve put in place that week and now they are taking your children’s education. Perhaps even more worryingly in the process they have taken your sanity, your mental health and your hope. People have been slowly conditioned into fearing a virus instead of our government. You cannot get away from it, in the shops tannoy systems repeatedly blare out the mantra to keep your distance, wear the mask, adverts on tv, on the radio. Now we have vaccines that we’re told don’t stop you from spreading it. People need to wake the fuck up and say enough is enough. While you're entitled to an opinion on the the way the gov has handled the situation. I'd suggest that the full tin foil hat idea that were all being controlled in some sort of 1984 style conspiracy is staggeringly naive. Since our politicians can't agree with each other, isn't it strange that all of the government's in the world agree that the pandemic exists, and broadly act the same way about it? Or is all news reporting fake and the rest of the world is carrying on normally while we're lied to in the UK? Doesn't it seem more likely that no one knows exactly how to 'win' in this situation and they're trying to appear confident to reduce panic? Surprisingly, we had laws, fines and announcements about public health before this, they just weren't front page news. China done it first rest copied in panic & are still going "oh s**t, what do we do? let's do what they are doing" One of the countries with the worst human rights abuses and most secretive in the world, but hey can build a hospital in 10 days, must be good right. They got everyone frightened and then looked...oh this is easy when everyone's locked up, can't see what we're doing & can't stop us, let's do it this way. Like Nicola closing a border that legally she can't & pushing again for independence despite all this..her mask is slipping though. Go watch any dystopian & listen to the 'government announcements' the little words like, 'we may', 'we're unable to predict' even 'new strains' the go watch the gov press releases...I swear the government has been taking their scripts from those films... it's shocking similar to now. Even things like trying to force folk with invisible disabilities to wear a lanyard or a badge so they don't get challenged, it's like the yellow stars in ww2 that some were made to wear (I'm not allowed to say it). It puts a viable symbol on that person who others will avoid through fear and ignorance ostrichizing the wearer from society. This alone could reverse a century of fighting for equality because it discriminate and marginalises.
Who is trying to force folk to wear lanyards?
You have to wear one if you are medically exempt. Some businesses and shops won't allow you to enter if you don't have one and aren't wearing a face covering. "Those businesses and shops are breaking the Equality Act 2010 and liable for prosecution and fines. The employee denying entry is also personally liable. | |||
" It is an absolute scandal what is happening, but, resistance is growing by the day as we are now seeing. They have taken our jobs, our homes, with multiple business closures, our social lives, our families, our friends, our right to medical care because Covid is prioritised. They try to fine us if we step out of line according to whatever new rules they’ve put in place that week and now they are taking your children’s education. Perhaps even more worryingly in the process they have taken your sanity, your mental health and your hope. People have been slowly conditioned into fearing a virus instead of our government. You cannot get away from it, in the shops tannoy systems repeatedly blare out the mantra to keep your distance, wear the mask, adverts on tv, on the radio. Now we have vaccines that we’re told don’t stop you from spreading it. People need to wake the fuck up and say enough is enough. While you're entitled to an opinion on the the way the gov has handled the situation. I'd suggest that the full tin foil hat idea that were all being controlled in some sort of 1984 style conspiracy is staggeringly naive. Since our politicians can't agree with each other, isn't it strange that all of the government's in the world agree that the pandemic exists, and broadly act the same way about it? Or is all news reporting fake and the rest of the world is carrying on normally while we're lied to in the UK? Doesn't it seem more likely that no one knows exactly how to 'win' in this situation and they're trying to appear confident to reduce panic? Surprisingly, we had laws, fines and announcements about public health before this, they just weren't front page news. China done it first rest copied in panic & are still going "oh s**t, what do we do? let's do what they are doing" One of the countries with the worst human rights abuses and most secretive in the world, but hey can build a hospital in 10 days, must be good right. They got everyone frightened and then looked...oh this is easy when everyone's locked up, can't see what we're doing & can't stop us, let's do it this way. Like Nicola closing a border that legally she can't & pushing again for independence despite all this..her mask is slipping though. Go watch any dystopian & listen to the 'government announcements' the little words like, 'we may', 'we're unable to predict' even 'new strains' the go watch the gov press releases...I swear the government has been taking their scripts from those films... it's shocking similar to now. Even things like trying to force folk with invisible disabilities to wear a lanyard or a badge so they don't get challenged, it's like the yellow stars in ww2 that some were made to wear (I'm not allowed to say it). It puts a viable symbol on that person who others will avoid through fear and ignorance ostrichizing the wearer from society. This alone could reverse a century of fighting for equality because it discriminate and marginalises.
Who is trying to force folk to wear lanyards?
You have to wear one if you are medically exempt. Some businesses and shops won't allow you to enter if you don't have one and aren't wearing a face covering.
Those businesses and shops are breaking the Equality Act 2010 and liable for prosecution and fines. The employee denying entry is also personally liable.
"Fortunately not true. | |||
" It is an absolute scandal what is happening, but, resistance is growing by the day as we are now seeing. They have taken our jobs, our homes, with multiple business closures, our social lives, our families, our friends, our right to medical care because Covid is prioritised. They try to fine us if we step out of line according to whatever new rules they’ve put in place that week and now they are taking your children’s education. Perhaps even more worryingly in the process they have taken your sanity, your mental health and your hope. People have been slowly conditioned into fearing a virus instead of our government. You cannot get away from it, in the shops tannoy systems repeatedly blare out the mantra to keep your distance, wear the mask, adverts on tv, on the radio. Now we have vaccines that we’re told don’t stop you from spreading it. People need to wake the fuck up and say enough is enough. While you're entitled to an opinion on the the way the gov has handled the situation. I'd suggest that the full tin foil hat idea that were all being controlled in some sort of 1984 style conspiracy is staggeringly naive. Since our politicians can't agree with each other, isn't it strange that all of the government's in the world agree that the pandemic exists, and broadly act the same way about it? Or is all news reporting fake and the rest of the world is carrying on normally while we're lied to in the UK? Doesn't it seem more likely that no one knows exactly how to 'win' in this situation and they're trying to appear confident to reduce panic? Surprisingly, we had laws, fines and announcements about public health before this, they just weren't front page news. China done it first rest copied in panic & are still going "oh s**t, what do we do? let's do what they are doing" One of the countries with the worst human rights abuses and most secretive in the world, but hey can build a hospital in 10 days, must be good right. They got everyone frightened and then looked...oh this is easy when everyone's locked up, can't see what we're doing & can't stop us, let's do it this way. Like Nicola closing a border that legally she can't & pushing again for independence despite all this..her mask is slipping though. Go watch any dystopian & listen to the 'government announcements' the little words like, 'we may', 'we're unable to predict' even 'new strains' the go watch the gov press releases...I swear the government has been taking their scripts from those films... it's shocking similar to now. Even things like trying to force folk with invisible disabilities to wear a lanyard or a badge so they don't get challenged, it's like the yellow stars in ww2 that some were made to wear (I'm not allowed to say it). It puts a viable symbol on that person who others will avoid through fear and ignorance ostrichizing the wearer from society. This alone could reverse a century of fighting for equality because it discriminate and marginalises.
Who is trying to force folk to wear lanyards?
You have to wear one if you are medically exempt. Some businesses and shops won't allow you to enter if you don't have one and aren't wearing a face covering.
Those businesses and shops are breaking the Equality Act 2010 and liable for prosecution and fines. The employee denying entry is also personally liable.
"I am well aware of my rights anymore I'm not the type to cower from making them known. I have studied law quite a bit. They can't exclude me from shopping for discrimination nor challenge folk as its marginalising. | |||
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" It is an absolute scandal what is happening, but, resistance is growing by the day as we are now seeing. They have taken our jobs, our homes, with multiple business closures, our social lives, our families, our friends, our right to medical care because Covid is prioritised. They try to fine us if we step out of line according to whatever new rules they’ve put in place that week and now they are taking your children’s education. Perhaps even more worryingly in the process they have taken your sanity, your mental health and your hope. People have been slowly conditioned into fearing a virus instead of our government. You cannot get away from it, in the shops tannoy systems repeatedly blare out the mantra to keep your distance, wear the mask, adverts on tv, on the radio. Now we have vaccines that we’re told don’t stop you from spreading it. People need to wake the fuck up and say enough is enough. While you're entitled to an opinion on the the way the gov has handled the situation. I'd suggest that the full tin foil hat idea that were all being controlled in some sort of 1984 style conspiracy is staggeringly naive. Since our politicians can't agree with each other, isn't it strange that all of the government's in the world agree that the pandemic exists, and broadly act the same way about it? Or is all news reporting fake and the rest of the world is carrying on normally while we're lied to in the UK? Doesn't it seem more likely that no one knows exactly how to 'win' in this situation and they're trying to appear confident to reduce panic? Surprisingly, we had laws, fines and announcements about public health before this, they just weren't front page news. China done it first rest copied in panic & are still going "oh s**t, what do we do? let's do what they are doing" One of the countries with the worst human rights abuses and most secretive in the world, but hey can build a hospital in 10 days, must be good right. They got everyone frightened and then looked...oh this is easy when everyone's locked up, can't see what we're doing & can't stop us, let's do it this way. Like Nicola closing a border that legally she can't & pushing again for independence despite all this..her mask is slipping though. Go watch any dystopian & listen to the 'government announcements' the little words like, 'we may', 'we're unable to predict' even 'new strains' the go watch the gov press releases...I swear the government has been taking their scripts from those films... it's shocking similar to now. Even things like trying to force folk with invisible disabilities to wear a lanyard or a badge so they don't get challenged, it's like the yellow stars in ww2 that some were made to wear (I'm not allowed to say it). It puts a viable symbol on that person who others will avoid through fear and ignorance ostrichizing the wearer from society. This alone could reverse a century of fighting for equality because it discriminate and marginalises.
Who is trying to force folk to wear lanyards?
You have to wear one if you are medically exempt. Some businesses and shops won't allow you to enter if you don't have one and aren't wearing a face covering.
Those businesses and shops are breaking the Equality Act 2010 and liable for prosecution and fines. The employee denying entry is also personally liable.
Fortunately not true."If it was not true, why have shops been prosecuted and had to pay damages? Only last week there was a £7k out of court settlement for one such offence. | |||
" It is an absolute scandal what is happening, but, resistance is growing by the day as we are now seeing. They have taken our jobs, our homes, with multiple business closures, our social lives, our families, our friends, our right to medical care because Covid is prioritised. They try to fine us if we step out of line according to whatever new rules they’ve put in place that week and now they are taking your children’s education. Perhaps even more worryingly in the process they have taken your sanity, your mental health and your hope. People have been slowly conditioned into fearing a virus instead of our government. You cannot get away from it, in the shops tannoy systems repeatedly blare out the mantra to keep your distance, wear the mask, adverts on tv, on the radio. Now we have vaccines that we’re told don’t stop you from spreading it. People need to wake the fuck up and say enough is enough. While you're entitled to an opinion on the the way the gov has handled the situation. I'd suggest that the full tin foil hat idea that were all being controlled in some sort of 1984 style conspiracy is staggeringly naive. Since our politicians can't agree with each other, isn't it strange that all of the government's in the world agree that the pandemic exists, and broadly act the same way about it? Or is all news reporting fake and the rest of the world is carrying on normally while we're lied to in the UK? Doesn't it seem more likely that no one knows exactly how to 'win' in this situation and they're trying to appear confident to reduce panic? Surprisingly, we had laws, fines and announcements about public health before this, they just weren't front page news. China done it first rest copied in panic & are still going "oh s**t, what do we do? let's do what they are doing" One of the countries with the worst human rights abuses and most secretive in the world, but hey can build a hospital in 10 days, must be good right. They got everyone frightened and then looked...oh this is easy when everyone's locked up, can't see what we're doing & can't stop us, let's do it this way. Like Nicola closing a border that legally she can't & pushing again for independence despite all this..her mask is slipping though. Go watch any dystopian & listen to the 'government announcements' the little words like, 'we may', 'we're unable to predict' even 'new strains' the go watch the gov press releases...I swear the government has been taking their scripts from those films... it's shocking similar to now. Even things like trying to force folk with invisible disabilities to wear a lanyard or a badge so they don't get challenged, it's like the yellow stars in ww2 that some were made to wear (I'm not allowed to say it). It puts a viable symbol on that person who others will avoid through fear and ignorance ostrichizing the wearer from society. This alone could reverse a century of fighting for equality because it discriminate and marginalises.
Who is trying to force folk to wear lanyards?
Erm anyone who challenged them I.e shop staff, police, general public etc who have absolutely no right to medical history or personal history to even justify asking.
Saying I'm exempt is becoming not enough, been challenged twice in past week where the basically wanted me to tell a whole foyer of people what my disability is & why I can't wear a mask & that I didn't want to be challenged I should get a lanyard & put a big old label on myself saying so...you know so you can avoid me & all.
I still get filthy looks and people muttering even though I do wear one.
Sadly some of that is caused by the number of people who should be wearing a mask, not doing so. People are scared. And scared people act irrationally, and aren't as mindful of others feeling as they should be."Again how do you know? You know nothing of their past nor medical history...what it might actually be doing is exposing the number of invisible disabilities that exist in our society, just never noticed before. | |||
"I seem to remember when it first kicked off that the worse case scenario was 500,000 dead if we did nothing. It was either Witty or Valance who said 50,000 dead would be a good outcome if measures were put in place to stop the spread.With measures in place we are about to breach 100,000 deaths which can be laid at the feet of this Government for failing to react early enough at various points over the last year. If Valance and Witty were listened to early enough its likely we would be approaching only 50,000 which is still a lot of deaths but half of what we already have. It’s a reasonable assumption to therefore make that the 500,000 deaths would have pretty much come true if nothing had been done and its reasonable to assume that those who had not died but were severely affected long term would also have been much higher. Would the deniers and Covidiots find higher deaths and disabilities from doing nothing acceptable?" Here's the thing viruses are part of nature, they do what they do & ain't no human gonna stop it cos weren't not god's. They always have done all though out history & across all species | |||
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" It is an absolute scandal what is happening, but, resistance is growing by the day as we are now seeing. They have taken our jobs, our homes, with multiple business closures, our social lives, our families, our friends, our right to medical care because Covid is prioritised. They try to fine us if we step out of line according to whatever new rules they’ve put in place that week and now they are taking your children’s education. Perhaps even more worryingly in the process they have taken your sanity, your mental health and your hope. People have been slowly conditioned into fearing a virus instead of our government. You cannot get away from it, in the shops tannoy systems repeatedly blare out the mantra to keep your distance, wear the mask, adverts on tv, on the radio. Now we have vaccines that we’re told don’t stop you from spreading it. People need to wake the fuck up and say enough is enough. While you're entitled to an opinion on the the way the gov has handled the situation. I'd suggest that the full tin foil hat idea that were all being controlled in some sort of 1984 style conspiracy is staggeringly naive. Since our politicians can't agree with each other, isn't it strange that all of the government's in the world agree that the pandemic exists, and broadly act the same way about it? Or is all news reporting fake and the rest of the world is carrying on normally while we're lied to in the UK? Doesn't it seem more likely that no one knows exactly how to 'win' in this situation and they're trying to appear confident to reduce panic? Surprisingly, we had laws, fines and announcements about public health before this, they just weren't front page news. China done it first rest copied in panic & are still going "oh s**t, what do we do? let's do what they are doing" One of the countries with the worst human rights abuses and most secretive in the world, but hey can build a hospital in 10 days, must be good right. They got everyone frightened and then looked...oh this is easy when everyone's locked up, can't see what we're doing & can't stop us, let's do it this way. Like Nicola closing a border that legally she can't & pushing again for independence despite all this..her mask is slipping though. Go watch any dystopian & listen to the 'government announcements' the little words like, 'we may', 'we're unable to predict' even 'new strains' the go watch the gov press releases...I swear the government has been taking their scripts from those films... it's shocking similar to now. Even things like trying to force folk with invisible disabilities to wear a lanyard or a badge so they don't get challenged, it's like the yellow stars in ww2 that some were made to wear (I'm not allowed to say it). It puts a viable symbol on that person who others will avoid through fear and ignorance ostrichizing the wearer from society. This alone could reverse a century of fighting for equality because it discriminate and marginalises.
Who is trying to force folk to wear lanyards?
Erm anyone who challenged them I.e shop staff, police, general public etc who have absolutely no right to medical history or personal history to even justify asking.
Saying I'm exempt is becoming not enough, been challenged twice in past week where the basically wanted me to tell a whole foyer of people what my disability is & why I can't wear a mask & that I didn't want to be challenged I should get a lanyard & put a big old label on myself saying so...you know so you can avoid me & all. "Not wearing a lanyard whilst not wearing a mask is also 'putting a big old sign on yourself' People look and you and will inevitably judge. If you had a lanyard, they may judge a little less | |||
"I seem to remember when it first kicked off that the worse case scenario was 500,000 dead if we did nothing. It was either Witty or Valance who said 50,000 dead would be a good outcome if measures were put in place to stop the spread.With measures in place we are about to breach 100,000 deaths which can be laid at the feet of this Government for failing to react early enough at various points over the last year. If Valance and Witty were listened to early enough its likely we would be approaching only 50,000 which is still a lot of deaths but half of what we already have. It’s a reasonable assumption to therefore make that the 500,000 deaths would have pretty much come true if nothing had been done and its reasonable to assume that those who had not died but were severely affected long term would also have been much higher. Would the deniers and Covidiots find higher deaths and disabilities from doing nothing acceptable? Here's the thing viruses are part of nature, they do what they do & ain't no human gonna stop it cos weren't not god's. They always have done all though out history & across all species " What's your thoughts on the eradication of smallpox? Is this a bad thing? Or is it a myth because ain't no human gonna stop a virus?  | |||
" It is an absolute scandal what is happening, but, resistance is growing by the day as we are now seeing. They have taken our jobs, our homes, with multiple business closures, our social lives, our families, our friends, our right to medical care because Covid is prioritised. They try to fine us if we step out of line according to whatever new rules they’ve put in place that week and now they are taking your children’s education. Perhaps even more worryingly in the process they have taken your sanity, your mental health and your hope. People have been slowly conditioned into fearing a virus instead of our government. You cannot get away from it, in the shops tannoy systems repeatedly blare out the mantra to keep your distance, wear the mask, adverts on tv, on the radio. Now we have vaccines that we’re told don’t stop you from spreading it. People need to wake the fuck up and say enough is enough. While you're entitled to an opinion on the the way the gov has handled the situation. I'd suggest that the full tin foil hat idea that were all being controlled in some sort of 1984 style conspiracy is staggeringly naive. Since our politicians can't agree with each other, isn't it strange that all of the government's in the world agree that the pandemic exists, and broadly act the same way about it? Or is all news reporting fake and the rest of the world is carrying on normally while we're lied to in the UK? Doesn't it seem more likely that no one knows exactly how to 'win' in this situation and they're trying to appear confident to reduce panic? Surprisingly, we had laws, fines and announcements about public health before this, they just weren't front page news. China done it first rest copied in panic & are still going "oh s**t, what do we do? let's do what they are doing" One of the countries with the worst human rights abuses and most secretive in the world, but hey can build a hospital in 10 days, must be good right. They got everyone frightened and then looked...oh this is easy when everyone's locked up, can't see what we're doing & can't stop us, let's do it this way. Like Nicola closing a border that legally she can't & pushing again for independence despite all this..her mask is slipping though. Go watch any dystopian & listen to the 'government announcements' the little words like, 'we may', 'we're unable to predict' even 'new strains' the go watch the gov press releases...I swear the government has been taking their scripts from those films... it's shocking similar to now. Even things like trying to force folk with invisible disabilities to wear a lanyard or a badge so they don't get challenged, it's like the yellow stars in ww2 that some were made to wear (I'm not allowed to say it). It puts a viable symbol on that person who others will avoid through fear and ignorance ostrichizing the wearer from society. This alone could reverse a century of fighting for equality because it discriminate and marginalises.
Who is trying to force folk to wear lanyards?
You have to wear one if you are medically exempt. Some businesses and shops won't allow you to enter if you don't have one and aren't wearing a face covering.
Those businesses and shops are breaking the Equality Act 2010 and liable for prosecution and fines. The employee denying entry is also personally liable.
I am well aware of my rights anymore I'm not the type to cower from making them known. I have studied law quite a bit.
They can't exclude me from shopping for discrimination nor challenge folk as its marginalising. "And yet the equality act 2010 has no section at all that covers this? The challenge for masks is because it's been brought into law that masks must be worn in enclose public places, specifically shops. Being asked to demonstrate exemption really isn't any different than being ID'd to buy alcohol. I'm actually stunned that anyone with a genuine exemption would have a problem with confirming it? Would they also have an issue being examined by a doctor to confirm a condition? You have to disclose medical conditions when starting a new job, which is also completely legal. Genuinely, where's the problem? And what do people think 'they' are trying to achieve??  | |||
" It is an absolute scandal what is happening, but, resistance is growing by the day as we are now seeing. They have taken our jobs, our homes, with multiple business closures, our social lives, our families, our friends, our right to medical care because Covid is prioritised. They try to fine us if we step out of line according to whatever new rules they’ve put in place that week and now they are taking your children’s education. Perhaps even more worryingly in the process they have taken your sanity, your mental health and your hope. People have been slowly conditioned into fearing a virus instead of our government. You cannot get away from it, in the shops tannoy systems repeatedly blare out the mantra to keep your distance, wear the mask, adverts on tv, on the radio. Now we have vaccines that we’re told don’t stop you from spreading it. People need to wake the fuck up and say enough is enough. While you're entitled to an opinion on the the way the gov has handled the situation. I'd suggest that the full tin foil hat idea that were all being controlled in some sort of 1984 style conspiracy is staggeringly naive. Since our politicians can't agree with each other, isn't it strange that all of the government's in the world agree that the pandemic exists, and broadly act the same way about it? Or is all news reporting fake and the rest of the world is carrying on normally while we're lied to in the UK? Doesn't it seem more likely that no one knows exactly how to 'win' in this situation and they're trying to appear confident to reduce panic? Surprisingly, we had laws, fines and announcements about public health before this, they just weren't front page news. China done it first rest copied in panic & are still going "oh s**t, what do we do? let's do what they are doing" One of the countries with the worst human rights abuses and most secretive in the world, but hey can build a hospital in 10 days, must be good right. They got everyone frightened and then looked...oh this is easy when everyone's locked up, can't see what we're doing & can't stop us, let's do it this way. Like Nicola closing a border that legally she can't & pushing again for independence despite all this..her mask is slipping though. Go watch any dystopian & listen to the 'government announcements' the little words like, 'we may', 'we're unable to predict' even 'new strains' the go watch the gov press releases...I swear the government has been taking their scripts from those films... it's shocking similar to now. Even things like trying to force folk with invisible disabilities to wear a lanyard or a badge so they don't get challenged, it's like the yellow stars in ww2 that some were made to wear (I'm not allowed to say it). It puts a viable symbol on that person who others will avoid through fear and ignorance ostrichizing the wearer from society. This alone could reverse a century of fighting for equality because it discriminate and marginalises.
Who is trying to force folk to wear lanyards?
Erm anyone who challenged them I.e shop staff, police, general public etc who have absolutely no right to medical history or personal history to even justify asking.
Saying I'm exempt is becoming not enough, been challenged twice in past week where the basically wanted me to tell a whole foyer of people what my disability is & why I can't wear a mask & that I didn't want to be challenged I should get a lanyard & put a big old label on myself saying so...you know so you can avoid me & all. "So everyone is out to get us, not just the government. Got ya  | |||
" It is an absolute scandal what is happening, but, resistance is growing by the day as we are now seeing. They have taken our jobs, our homes, with multiple business closures, our social lives, our families, our friends, our right to medical care because Covid is prioritised. They try to fine us if we step out of line according to whatever new rules they’ve put in place that week and now they are taking your children’s education. Perhaps even more worryingly in the process they have taken your sanity, your mental health and your hope. People have been slowly conditioned into fearing a virus instead of our government. You cannot get away from it, in the shops tannoy systems repeatedly blare out the mantra to keep your distance, wear the mask, adverts on tv, on the radio. Now we have vaccines that we’re told don’t stop you from spreading it. People need to wake the fuck up and say enough is enough. Mel Gibson? " | |||
" It is an absolute scandal what is happening, but, resistance is growing by the day as we are now seeing. They have taken our jobs, our homes, with multiple business closures, our social lives, our families, our friends, our right to medical care because Covid is prioritised. They try to fine us if we step out of line according to whatever new rules they’ve put in place that week and now they are taking your children’s education. Perhaps even more worryingly in the process they have taken your sanity, your mental health and your hope. People have been slowly conditioned into fearing a virus instead of our government. You cannot get away from it, in the shops tannoy systems repeatedly blare out the mantra to keep your distance, wear the mask, adverts on tv, on the radio. Now we have vaccines that we’re told don’t stop you from spreading it. People need to wake the fuck up and say enough is enough. While you're entitled to an opinion on the the way the gov has handled the situation. I'd suggest that the full tin foil hat idea that were all being controlled in some sort of 1984 style conspiracy is staggeringly naive. Since our politicians can't agree with each other, isn't it strange that all of the government's in the world agree that the pandemic exists, and broadly act the same way about it? Or is all news reporting fake and the rest of the world is carrying on normally while we're lied to in the UK? Doesn't it seem more likely that no one knows exactly how to 'win' in this situation and they're trying to appear confident to reduce panic? Surprisingly, we had laws, fines and announcements about public health before this, they just weren't front page news. China done it first rest copied in panic & are still going "oh s**t, what do we do? let's do what they are doing" One of the countries with the worst human rights abuses and most secretive in the world, but hey can build a hospital in 10 days, must be good right. They got everyone frightened and then looked...oh this is easy when everyone's locked up, can't see what we're doing & can't stop us, let's do it this way. Like Nicola closing a border that legally she can't & pushing again for independence despite all this..her mask is slipping though. Go watch any dystopian & listen to the 'government announcements' the little words like, 'we may', 'we're unable to predict' even 'new strains' the go watch the gov press releases...I swear the government has been taking their scripts from those films... it's shocking similar to now. Even things like trying to force folk with invisible disabilities to wear a lanyard or a badge so they don't get challenged, it's like the yellow stars in ww2 that some were made to wear (I'm not allowed to say it). It puts a viable symbol on that person who others will avoid through fear and ignorance ostrichizing the wearer from society. This alone could reverse a century of fighting for equality because it discriminate and marginalises.
Who is trying to force folk to wear lanyards?
You have to wear one if you are medically exempt. Some businesses and shops won't allow you to enter if you don't have one and aren't wearing a face covering.
Those businesses and shops are breaking the Equality Act 2010 and liable for prosecution and fines. The employee denying entry is also personally liable.
I am well aware of my rights anymore I'm not the type to cower from making them known. I have studied law quite a bit.
They can't exclude me from shopping for discrimination nor challenge folk as its marginalising.
And yet the equality act 2010 has no section at all that covers this?
The challenge for masks is because it's been brought into law that masks must be worn in enclose public places, specifically shops. Being asked to demonstrate exemption really isn't any different than being ID'd to buy alcohol. I'm actually stunned that anyone with a genuine exemption would have a problem with confirming it?
Would they also have an issue being examined by a doctor to confirm a condition?
You have to disclose medical conditions when starting a new job, which is also completely legal. Genuinely, where's the problem? And what do people think 'they' are trying to achieve?? "Have a look in the Morrisons thread from last week. I'm not getting into it again. | |||
" It is an absolute scandal what is happening, but, resistance is growing by the day as we are now seeing. They have taken our jobs, our homes, with multiple business closures, our social lives, our families, our friends, our right to medical care because Covid is prioritised. They try to fine us if we step out of line according to whatever new rules they’ve put in place that week and now they are taking your children’s education. Perhaps even more worryingly in the process they have taken your sanity, your mental health and your hope. People have been slowly conditioned into fearing a virus instead of our government. You cannot get away from it, in the shops tannoy systems repeatedly blare out the mantra to keep your distance, wear the mask, adverts on tv, on the radio. Now we have vaccines that we’re told don’t stop you from spreading it. People need to wake the fuck up and say enough is enough. While you're entitled to an opinion on the the way the gov has handled the situation. I'd suggest that the full tin foil hat idea that were all being controlled in some sort of 1984 style conspiracy is staggeringly naive. Since our politicians can't agree with each other, isn't it strange that all of the government's in the world agree that the pandemic exists, and broadly act the same way about it? Or is all news reporting fake and the rest of the world is carrying on normally while we're lied to in the UK? Doesn't it seem more likely that no one knows exactly how to 'win' in this situation and they're trying to appear confident to reduce panic? Surprisingly, we had laws, fines and announcements about public health before this, they just weren't front page news. China done it first rest copied in panic & are still going "oh s**t, what do we do? let's do what they are doing" One of the countries with the worst human rights abuses and most secretive in the world, but hey can build a hospital in 10 days, must be good right. They got everyone frightened and then looked...oh this is easy when everyone's locked up, can't see what we're doing & can't stop us, let's do it this way. Like Nicola closing a border that legally she can't & pushing again for independence despite all this..her mask is slipping though. Go watch any dystopian & listen to the 'government announcements' the little words like, 'we may', 'we're unable to predict' even 'new strains' the go watch the gov press releases...I swear the government has been taking their scripts from those films... it's shocking similar to now. Even things like trying to force folk with invisible disabilities to wear a lanyard or a badge so they don't get challenged, it's like the yellow stars in ww2 that some were made to wear (I'm not allowed to say it). It puts a viable symbol on that person who others will avoid through fear and ignorance ostrichizing the wearer from society. This alone could reverse a century of fighting for equality because it discriminate and marginalises.
Who is trying to force folk to wear lanyards?
Erm anyone who challenged them I.e shop staff, police, general public etc who have absolutely no right to medical history or personal history to even justify asking.
Saying I'm exempt is becoming not enough, been challenged twice in past week where the basically wanted me to tell a whole foyer of people what my disability is & why I can't wear a mask & that I didn't want to be challenged I should get a lanyard & put a big old label on myself saying so...you know so you can avoid me & all.
I still get filthy looks and people muttering even though I do wear one.
Sadly some of that is caused by the number of people who should be wearing a mask, not doing so. People are scared. And scared people act irrationally, and aren't as mindful of others feeling as they should be.
Again how do you know? You know nothing of their past nor medical history...what it might actually be doing is exposing the number of invisible disabilities that exist in our society, just never noticed before. "So in the same way I have, you're assuming that every single person not wearing a mask had a genuine reason for not doing so? | |||
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"This is the same with primary schools being closed it is an international human right to an education...not all parents are capable of being teachers for multitude of reasons & some don't have equipment. . " So rights can't be modified in an emergency? If bombs were falling would you demand the schools open? | |||
" Your rights under the Equality Act 2010 ADVICE AND GUIDANCE Who is protected by the Equality Act? Situations in which you are protected from discrimination How can you be discriminated against? What else does the Equality Act do? Where else can I find information? Who is this page for? employers employees individuals using a service any organisation using a service public sector Which countries is it relevant to? Great Britain Your rights under the Equality Act 2010 The Equality Act became law in 2010. It covers everyone in Britain and protects people from discrimination, harassment and victimisation. The information on the your rights pages is here to help you understand if you have been treated unlawfully. Who is protected by the Equality Act? Everyone in Britain is protected. This is because the Equality Act protects people against discrimination because of the protected characteristics that we all have. Under the Equality Act, there are nine protected characteristics: age disability gender reassignment marriage and civil partnership pregnancy and maternity race religion or belief sex sexual orientation There are some important differences depending on which protected characteristic you have. Situations in which you are protected from discrimination Under the Equality Act you are protected from discrimination: when you are in the workplace when you use public services like healthcare (for example, visiting your doctor or local hospital) or education (for example, at your school or college) when you use businesses and other organisations that provide services and goods (like shops, restaurants, and cinemas) when you use transport when you join a club or association (for example, your local tennis club) when you have contact with public bodies like your local council or government departments How can you be discriminated against? There are four main types of discrimination. Direct discrimination This means treating one person worse than another person because of a protected characteristic. For example, a promotion comes up at work. The employer believes that people’s memories get worse as they get older so doesn’t tell one of his older employees about it, because he thinks the employee wouldn’t be able to do the job. Indirect discrimination This can happen when an organisation puts a rule or a policy or a way of doing things in place which has a worse impact on someone with a protected characteristic than someone without one. For example a local authority is planning to redevelop some of its housing. It decides to hold consultation events in the evening. Many of the female residents complain that they cannot attend these meetings because of childcare responsibilities. Harassment This means people cannot treat you in a way that violates your dignity, or creates a hostile, degrading, humiliating or offensive environment. For example a man with Down’s syndrome is visiting a pub with friends. The bar staff make derogatory and offensive comments about him, which upset and offend him. Victimisation This means people cannot treat you unfairly if you are taking action under the Equality Act (like making a complaint of discrimination), or if you are supporting someone else who is doing so. For example, an employee makes a complaint of sexual harassment at work and is dismissed as a consequence. What else does the Equality Act do? Public Sector Equality Duty The Equality Act also requires public bodies (like local councils, hospitals, and publicly-funded service providers) to consider how their decisions and policies affect people with different protected characteristics. The public body also should have evidence to show how it has done this. For example, a local authority wants to improve its local bus service. It carries out a survey of people who use public transport and finds that very few women use buses at night because they are worried about sexual harassment. The local authority decides to work with the police and the transport provider, as well as local residents, to find ways to address this problem and make the bus service more inclusive. " I did read this before posting back, and still can't see your point? Asking for proof of exemption isn't discrimination. | |||
" It is an absolute scandal what is happening, but, resistance is growing by the day as we are now seeing. They have taken our jobs, our homes, with multiple business closures, our social lives, our families, our friends, our right to medical care because Covid is prioritised. They try to fine us if we step out of line according to whatever new rules they’ve put in place that week and now they are taking your children’s education. Perhaps even more worryingly in the process they have taken your sanity, your mental health and your hope. People have been slowly conditioned into fearing a virus instead of our government. You cannot get away from it, in the shops tannoy systems repeatedly blare out the mantra to keep your distance, wear the mask, adverts on tv, on the radio. Now we have vaccines that we’re told don’t stop you from spreading it. People need to wake the fuck up and say enough is enough. While you're entitled to an opinion on the the way the gov has handled the situation. I'd suggest that the full tin foil hat idea that were all being controlled in some sort of 1984 style conspiracy is staggeringly naive. Since our politicians can't agree with each other, isn't it strange that all of the government's in the world agree that the pandemic exists, and broadly act the same way about it? Or is all news reporting fake and the rest of the world is carrying on normally while we're lied to in the UK? Doesn't it seem more likely that no one knows exactly how to 'win' in this situation and they're trying to appear confident to reduce panic? Surprisingly, we had laws, fines and announcements about public health before this, they just weren't front page news. China done it first rest copied in panic & are still going "oh s**t, what do we do? let's do what they are doing" One of the countries with the worst human rights abuses and most secretive in the world, but hey can build a hospital in 10 days, must be good right. They got everyone frightened and then looked...oh this is easy when everyone's locked up, can't see what we're doing & can't stop us, let's do it this way. Like Nicola closing a border that legally she can't & pushing again for independence despite all this..her mask is slipping though. Go watch any dystopian & listen to the 'government announcements' the little words like, 'we may', 'we're unable to predict' even 'new strains' the go watch the gov press releases...I swear the government has been taking their scripts from those films... it's shocking similar to now. Even things like trying to force folk with invisible disabilities to wear a lanyard or a badge so they don't get challenged, it's like the yellow stars in ww2 that some were made to wear (I'm not allowed to say it). It puts a viable symbol on that person who others will avoid through fear and ignorance ostrichizing the wearer from society. This alone could reverse a century of fighting for equality because it discriminate and marginalises.
Who is trying to force folk to wear lanyards?
Erm anyone who challenged them I.e shop staff, police, general public etc who have absolutely no right to medical history or personal history to even justify asking.
Saying I'm exempt is becoming not enough, been challenged twice in past week where the basically wanted me to tell a whole foyer of people what my disability is & why I can't wear a mask & that I didn't want to be challenged I should get a lanyard & put a big old label on myself saying so...you know so you can avoid me & all.
So everyone is out to get us, not just the government. Got ya
"They will be will the government & media slapping up fear factor rating & making it look as if none mask compliance is the issue it's not cos none of the masks are suitable for virus suppression, you can smoke through them FFS & even the surgical types have it on the box that they are unsuitable. Plus most of those who are genuine exempt spend 95% of their time at home even before covid with austerity, mobility issues etc. So it's not the invisibility disabled who do t were masks who are driving the spread yet it's them who are bring pointed at and abused because of what media & gov are driving the people to believe. | |||
"This is the same with primary schools being closed it is an international human right to an education...not all parents are capable of being teachers for multitude of reasons & some don't have equipment. . " Absolutely agree, I think parents have had this harder than most. But it's not as though there's a safe viable alternative, is there? If there are better, safer ways of returning some things to normal, I think everyone would love to hear them. Genuinely. | |||
"This is the same with primary schools being closed it is an international human right to an education...not all parents are capable of being teachers for multitude of reasons & some don't have equipment. . Absolutely agree, I think parents have had this harder than most. But it's not as though there's a safe viable alternative, is there? If there are better, safer ways of returning some things to normal, I think everyone would love to hear them. Genuinely." Agreed. | |||
" It is an absolute scandal what is happening, but, resistance is growing by the day as we are now seeing. They have taken our jobs, our homes, with multiple business closures, our social lives, our families, our friends, our right to medical care because Covid is prioritised. They try to fine us if we step out of line according to whatever new rules they’ve put in place that week and now they are taking your children’s education. Perhaps even more worryingly in the process they have taken your sanity, your mental health and your hope. People have been slowly conditioned into fearing a virus instead of our government. You cannot get away from it, in the shops tannoy systems repeatedly blare out the mantra to keep your distance, wear the mask, adverts on tv, on the radio. Now we have vaccines that we’re told don’t stop you from spreading it. People need to wake the fuck up and say enough is enough. While you're entitled to an opinion on the the way the gov has handled the situation. I'd suggest that the full tin foil hat idea that were all being controlled in some sort of 1984 style conspiracy is staggeringly naive. Since our politicians can't agree with each other, isn't it strange that all of the government's in the world agree that the pandemic exists, and broadly act the same way about it? Or is all news reporting fake and the rest of the world is carrying on normally while we're lied to in the UK? Doesn't it seem more likely that no one knows exactly how to 'win' in this situation and they're trying to appear confident to reduce panic? Surprisingly, we had laws, fines and announcements about public health before this, they just weren't front page news. China done it first rest copied in panic & are still going "oh s**t, what do we do? let's do what they are doing" One of the countries with the worst human rights abuses and most secretive in the world, but hey can build a hospital in 10 days, must be good right. They got everyone frightened and then looked...oh this is easy when everyone's locked up, can't see what we're doing & can't stop us, let's do it this way. Like Nicola closing a border that legally she can't & pushing again for independence despite all this..her mask is slipping though. Go watch any dystopian & listen to the 'government announcements' the little words like, 'we may', 'we're unable to predict' even 'new strains' the go watch the gov press releases...I swear the government has been taking their scripts from those films... it's shocking similar to now. Even things like trying to force folk with invisible disabilities to wear a lanyard or a badge so they don't get challenged, it's like the yellow stars in ww2 that some were made to wear (I'm not allowed to say it). It puts a viable symbol on that person who others will avoid through fear and ignorance ostrichizing the wearer from society. This alone could reverse a century of fighting for equality because it discriminate and marginalises.
Who is trying to force folk to wear lanyards?
Erm anyone who challenged them I.e shop staff, police, general public etc who have absolutely no right to medical history or personal history to even justify asking.
Saying I'm exempt is becoming not enough, been challenged twice in past week where the basically wanted me to tell a whole foyer of people what my disability is & why I can't wear a mask & that I didn't want to be challenged I should get a lanyard & put a big old label on myself saying so...you know so you can avoid me & all.
So everyone is out to get us, not just the government. Got ya
They will be will the government & media slapping up fear factor rating & making it look as if none mask compliance is the issue
it's not cos none of the masks are suitable for virus suppression, you can smoke through them FFS & even the surgical types have it on the box that they are unsuitable.
Plus most of those who are genuine exempt spend 95% of their time at home even before covid with austerity, mobility issues etc.
So it's not the invisibility disabled who do t were masks who are driving the spread yet it's them who are bring pointed at and abused because of what media & gov are driving the people to believe. "Is suggest the gov are saying most people are following the rules and the press are publishing stories about big breaches of the rules, big parties, raves, a wedding with a 100 guests. Not a lot of press for someone not wearing a mask to Tesco! | |||
"I seem to remember when it first kicked off that the worse case scenario was 500,000 dead if we did nothing. It was either Witty or Valance who said 50,000 dead would be a good outcome if measures were put in place to stop the spread.With measures in place we are about to breach 100,000 deaths which can be laid at the feet of this Government for failing to react early enough at various points over the last year. If Valance and Witty were listened to early enough its likely we would be approaching only 50,000 which is still a lot of deaths but half of what we already have. It’s a reasonable assumption to therefore make that the 500,000 deaths would have pretty much come true if nothing had been done and its reasonable to assume that those who had not died but were severely affected long term would also have been much higher. Would the deniers and Covidiots find higher deaths and disabilities from doing nothing acceptable?" You are right, well put points. | |||
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"With all the thoughts being shared on here, one thing stands out. Some want someone to blame. Some want to understand. Everyone wants this over as soon as possible! I'm genuinely curious what 'they' have to gain from all of this? Lots of points about gov control, resistance, and people's entitlement. But if any of those are true, who actually benefits? And, what are the viable alternatives?" The thing that frustrates me is, I want to help. I desperately want to do something. Sitting on my arse at home does not feel like doing anything. Even though it's the best thing I can do. | |||
" It is an absolute scandal what is happening, but, resistance is growing by the day as we are now seeing. They have taken our jobs, our homes, with multiple business closures, our social lives, our families, our friends, our right to medical care because Covid is prioritised. They try to fine us if we step out of line according to whatever new rules they’ve put in place that week and now they are taking your children’s education. Perhaps even more worryingly in the process they have taken your sanity, your mental health and your hope. People have been slowly conditioned into fearing a virus instead of our government. You cannot get away from it, in the shops tannoy systems repeatedly blare out the mantra to keep your distance, wear the mask, adverts on tv, on the radio. Now we have vaccines that we’re told don’t stop you from spreading it. People need to wake the fuck up and say enough is enough. While you're entitled to an opinion on the the way the gov has handled the situation. I'd suggest that the full tin foil hat idea that were all being controlled in some sort of 1984 style conspiracy is staggeringly naive. Since our politicians can't agree with each other, isn't it strange that all of the government's in the world agree that the pandemic exists, and broadly act the same way about it? Or is all news reporting fake and the rest of the world is carrying on normally while we're lied to in the UK? Doesn't it seem more likely that no one knows exactly how to 'win' in this situation and they're trying to appear confident to reduce panic? Surprisingly, we had laws, fines and announcements about public health before this, they just weren't front page news. China done it first rest copied in panic & are still going "oh s**t, what do we do? let's do what they are doing" One of the countries with the worst human rights abuses and most secretive in the world, but hey can build a hospital in 10 days, must be good right. They got everyone frightened and then looked...oh this is easy when everyone's locked up, can't see what we're doing & can't stop us, let's do it this way. Like Nicola closing a border that legally she can't & pushing again for independence despite all this..her mask is slipping though. Go watch any dystopian & listen to the 'government announcements' the little words like, 'we may', 'we're unable to predict' even 'new strains' the go watch the gov press releases...I swear the government has been taking their scripts from those films... it's shocking similar to now. Even things like trying to force folk with invisible disabilities to wear a lanyard or a badge so they don't get challenged, it's like the yellow stars in ww2 that some were made to wear (I'm not allowed to say it). It puts a viable symbol on that person who others will avoid through fear and ignorance ostrichizing the wearer from society. This alone could reverse a century of fighting for equality because it discriminate and marginalises.
Who is trying to force folk to wear lanyards?
Erm anyone who challenged them I.e shop staff, police, general public etc who have absolutely no right to medical history or personal history to even justify asking.
Saying I'm exempt is becoming not enough, been challenged twice in past week where the basically wanted me to tell a whole foyer of people what my disability is & why I can't wear a mask & that I didn't want to be challenged I should get a lanyard & put a big old label on myself saying so...you know so you can avoid me & all. "people are already avoiding you because of the mask missing from your face so you have entirely misunderstood the purpose of a lanyard and can blame your fellow citizens that either cant be arsed or refuse on principal to wear masks for that origin of that problem | |||
"With all the thoughts being shared on here, one thing stands out. Some want someone to blame. Some want to understand. Everyone wants this over as soon as possible! I'm genuinely curious what 'they' have to gain from all of this? Lots of points about gov control, resistance, and people's entitlement. But if any of those are true, who actually benefits? And, what are the viable alternatives? The thing that frustrates me is, I want to help. I desperately want to do something. Sitting on my arse at home does not feel like doing anything. Even though it's the best thing I can do." I really think that feeling powerless is a lot of the problem for a lot of people. The situation is rubbish, no doubt. The thing that annoys me is the number of people trying to make people more anxious or frustrated through conspiracy theories! Thankfully people will make up their own minds and the vast percentage of us will act safely, look after others where we can, and do it quietly while going about our business. Those who actively try to cause trouble or sow dissent will keep doing so, to a gradually declining audience.... | |||
" disability when you are in the workplace when you use public services like healthcare (for example, visiting your doctor or local hospital) or education (for example, at your school or college) when you use businesses and other organisations that provide services and goods (like shops, restaurants, and cinemas) when you use transport when you join a club or association (for example, your local tennis club) when you have contact with public bodies like your local council or government departments How can you be discriminated against? There are four main types of discrimination. Direct discrimination This means treating one person worse than another person because of a protected characteristic. Indirect discrimination This can happen when an organisation puts a rule or a policy or a way of doing things in place which has a worse impact on someone with a protected characteristic than someone without one. Harassment This means people cannot treat you in a way that violates your dignity, or creates a hostile, degrading, humiliating or offensive environment. Victimisation This means people cannot treat you unfairly if you are taking action under the Equality Act (like making a complaint of discrimination), or if you are supporting someone else who is doing so. I did read this before posting back, and still can't see your point? Asking for proof of exemption isn't discrimination. " I've edited your quote a little for clarity. Asking for proof of exemption is direct discrimination and harassment as you are being treated differently and being asked to reveal personal medical information in public. An employee asking you to leave for not wearing a mask would also come under indirect discrimination as is denial of services for non mask wearing. Wearing a mark is not required, it says as much in the 'regulations'. Futhermore, doctors do not provide notes or exemption certificates.. i've asked. Yes I am mask exempt, Yes it is genuine, No I do not need to tell you what it is unless you are my Doctor, providing me medical care or physically meeting me. | |||
"With all the thoughts being shared on here, one thing stands out. Some want someone to blame. Some want to understand. Everyone wants this over as soon as possible! I'm genuinely curious what 'they' have to gain from all of this? Lots of points about gov control, resistance, and people's entitlement. But if any of those are true, who actually benefits? And, what are the viable alternatives? The thing that frustrates me is, I want to help. I desperately want to do something. Sitting on my arse at home does not feel like doing anything. Even though it's the best thing I can do. I really think that feeling powerless is a lot of the problem for a lot of people. The situation is rubbish, no doubt. The thing that annoys me is the number of people trying to make people more anxious or frustrated through conspiracy theories! Thankfully people will make up their own minds and the vast percentage of us will act safely, look after others where we can, and do it quietly while going about our business. Those who actively try to cause trouble or sow dissent will keep doing so, to a gradually declining audience...." Agreed. I'm heartened by the surveys of lockdown support and compliance. 70-80% or more. I think the strategies have problems and have looked into it myself. Not "do my own research wake up sheeple" nonsense. How do I reduce my risk to others, on top of what's required of me? | |||
"This is the same with primary schools being closed it is an international human right to an education...not all parents are capable of being teachers for multitude of reasons & some don't have equipment. . " and yet there are countries all over the world where children are not guaranteed an education , where maybe one lid from the village if lucky gets sent off to school ... so international human right might be a classification you just made up there also we haven’t removed uk rights to education, the method of delivery has been temporarily altered during a time of crisis | |||
"This is the same with primary schools being closed it is an international human right to an education...not all parents are capable of being teachers for multitude of reasons & some don't have equipment. . and yet there are countries all over the world where children are not guaranteed an education , where maybe one lid from the village if lucky gets sent off to school ... so international human right might be a classification you just made up there also we haven’t removed uk rights to education, the method of delivery has been temporarily altered during a time of crisis " I think education should be a right, but the idea that it must go on no matter what crisis is going on is absurd on its face. | |||
"Everyone is entitled to an opinion just because it differs from your own doesn’t make it wrong, lockdown is destroying livelihoods and business the same businesses that pay tax to fund the nhs and all other public services, it the wealth generators who are suffering remember all government money comes from wealth generating businesses not public services, the basic economic fact is we need to get back to work ... This is a very fair and balanced view on where we are." So public servants dont pay tax? | |||
"If anyone wants to continue Someone mentioned that lockdown has resulted in poverty, mental health issues and hunger. Did we not have those issues pre covid.? Funny how you are not prepared to read a scientific, peer reviewed and published study that disagrees with what you are saying. Its the same story.. 'provide evidence of your claims'... I (or others provide said evidence).. ignored/don't want to read it. Same with the studies on HCQ (one even published by Fauci), same with the mask studies (some even commissioned by the WHO). COVID is not a pandemic. it is a CASEdemic... there is actual science behind my claim, not just opinion." I read some of it. That was enough | |||
" disability when you are in the workplace when you use public services like healthcare (for example, visiting your doctor or local hospital) or education (for example, at your school or college) when you use businesses and other organisations that provide services and goods (like shops, restaurants, and cinemas) when you use transport when you join a club or association (for example, your local tennis club) when you have contact with public bodies like your local council or government departments How can you be discriminated against? There are four main types of discrimination. Direct discrimination This means treating one person worse than another person because of a protected characteristic. Indirect discrimination This can happen when an organisation puts a rule or a policy or a way of doing things in place which has a worse impact on someone with a protected characteristic than someone without one. Harassment This means people cannot treat you in a way that violates your dignity, or creates a hostile, degrading, humiliating or offensive environment. Victimisation This means people cannot treat you unfairly if you are taking action under the Equality Act (like making a complaint of discrimination), or if you are supporting someone else who is doing so. I did read this before posting back, and still can't see your point? Asking for proof of exemption isn't discrimination. I've edited your quote a little for clarity. Asking for proof of exemption is direct discrimination and harassment as you are being treated differently and being asked to reveal personal medical information in public. An employee asking you to leave for not wearing a mask would also come under indirect discrimination as is denial of services for non mask wearing. Wearing a mark is not required, it says as much in the 'regulations'. Futhermore, doctors do not provide notes or exemption certificates.. i've asked. Yes I am mask exempt, Yes it is genuine, No I do not need to tell you what it is unless you are my Doctor, providing me medical care or physically meeting me." As far as I'm aware, the shops have been empowered to ask for exemption, not the specific detail behind it? The whole process is designed to decrease the number of people who just forgot to put their mask on, or aren't thinking. Do you believe the shops have an agenda aimed at reducing the number of people who want to shop there? DRs don't provide exemption certificates because there is no process or policy to do so. This situation is not even a year old, we don't have all the answers. If you read the terms of any major store, no where does it say you'll be denied a service for not wearing a mask, if you have a valid reason. It's always easier to shout discrimination than to behave responsibly. I worked in retail for 20years, and it's a horrific way to earn a living. In the main it's thankless, hard work, low paid and includes a remarkable amount of abuse from members of the public who 'know their rights'. If everyone who was asked to wear a mask either did, or showed an exemption lanyard/card/marker when asked, there would be far less issues, and the staff in stores would be in a far better frame of mind | |||
"If anyone wants to continue Someone mentioned that lockdown has resulted in poverty, mental health issues and hunger. Did we not have those issues pre covid.?" Africa has had poverty hunger and dirty water for generations. Laughable people in uk are moaning about being asked to stay indoors in their centrally heated homes, colour tv and broadband with wages paid by the government. | |||
"If anyone wants to continue Someone mentioned that lockdown has resulted in poverty, mental health issues and hunger. Did we not have those issues pre covid.? Funny how you are not prepared to read a scientific, peer reviewed and published study that disagrees with what you are saying. Its the same story.. 'provide evidence of your claims'... I (or others provide said evidence).. ignored/don't want to read it. Same with the studies on HCQ (one even published by Fauci), same with the mask studies (some even commissioned by the WHO). COVID is not a pandemic. it is a CASEdemic... there is actual science behind my claim, not just opinion. I read some of it. That was enough " Some of the people who promote the casedemic thing think that this is an alien Soros plot to wipe out most of humanity. The sources he cites, most I'm familiar with, and the quotations are misleading. Take of that what you will | |||
"This is the same with primary schools being closed it is an international human right to an education...not all parents are capable of being teachers for multitude of reasons & some don't have equipment. . and yet there are countries all over the world where children are not guaranteed an education , where maybe one lid from the village if lucky gets sent off to school ... so international human right might be a classification you just made up there also we haven’t removed uk rights to education, the method of delivery has been temporarily altered during a time of crisis I think education should be a right, but the idea that it must go on no matter what crisis is going on is absurd on its face." it should be and its incredibly sad that there are countries where kids don’t get an education but it was happening pre covid so to say its currently an international human right was just not true our “human rights” as people want to refer to anything they think is essential still have to fall within a hierarchy preservation of life has to be at the top of that hierarchy or you wont be here to experience any of the others | |||
"With all the thoughts being shared on here, one thing stands out. Some want someone to blame. Some want to understand. Everyone wants this over as soon as possible! I'm genuinely curious what 'they' have to gain from all of this? Lots of points about gov control, resistance, and people's entitlement. But if any of those are true, who actually benefits? And, what are the viable alternatives? The thing that frustrates me is, I want to help. I desperately want to do something. Sitting on my arse at home does not feel like doing anything. Even though it's the best thing I can do. I really think that feeling powerless is a lot of the problem for a lot of people. The situation is rubbish, no doubt. The thing that annoys me is the number of people trying to make people more anxious or frustrated through conspiracy theories! Thankfully people will make up their own minds and the vast percentage of us will act safely, look after others where we can, and do it quietly while going about our business. Those who actively try to cause trouble or sow dissent will keep doing so, to a gradually declining audience.... Agreed. I'm heartened by the surveys of lockdown support and compliance. 70-80% or more. I think the strategies have problems and have looked into it myself. Not "do my own research wake up sheeple" nonsense. How do I reduce my risk to others, on top of what's required of me?" And wouldn't we all be safer and happier if that was the norm? | |||
"With all the thoughts being shared on here, one thing stands out. Some want someone to blame. Some want to understand. Everyone wants this over as soon as possible! I'm genuinely curious what 'they' have to gain from all of this? Lots of points about gov control, resistance, and people's entitlement. But if any of those are true, who actually benefits? And, what are the viable alternatives? The thing that frustrates me is, I want to help. I desperately want to do something. Sitting on my arse at home does not feel like doing anything. Even though it's the best thing I can do. I really think that feeling powerless is a lot of the problem for a lot of people. The situation is rubbish, no doubt. The thing that annoys me is the number of people trying to make people more anxious or frustrated through conspiracy theories! Thankfully people will make up their own minds and the vast percentage of us will act safely, look after others where we can, and do it quietly while going about our business. Those who actively try to cause trouble or sow dissent will keep doing so, to a gradually declining audience.... Agreed. I'm heartened by the surveys of lockdown support and compliance. 70-80% or more. I think the strategies have problems and have looked into it myself. Not "do my own research wake up sheeple" nonsense. How do I reduce my risk to others, on top of what's required of me? And wouldn't we all be safer and happier if that was the norm?" Yes. So much yes  | |||
"I think Peter Hitchens brings up some valid questions. Given what damage to the country's economy the government's decisions have done, it's only right that voices of opposition are heard. The government needs to be able to answer the sort of questions that Hitchens is bringing up. I think he is genuine in his critique and he is very ready to back up his opinions but I don't think he is right about everything. I don't think he is being sensationalist. I have seen a few interviews with him about Covid and is not saying anybody should disobey government guidelines. Much as I dislike his newspaper, I don't think he is being irresponsible. I also don't buy the argument that the government is doing what it's doing so it can control us. That's a bit of conspiracy theory as far as I can see. Luke " Why didnt he bring it up when they savaged communities with austerity? | |||
"Everyone is entitled to an opinion just because it differs from your own doesn’t make it wrong, lockdown is destroying livelihoods and business the same businesses that pay tax to fund the nhs and all other public services, it the wealth generators who are suffering remember all government money comes from wealth generating businesses not public services, the basic economic fact is we need to get back to work ... This is a very fair and balanced view on where we are. a view that considers only one side of one impact doesn’t become fair and balanced just because you state that at the end But it’s fact isn’t it, you can’t deny that taxes pay for society so we have to keep the economy functioning to keep the wheels turning " Who has stopped paying tax? | |||
"To continue from the last thread; ‘I think the government are a bunch of raging lying sociopathic buffoons with blood on their hands We are left with lockdown because they won't make hard decisions. I'm plenty sceptical. But the whataboutery isn't the way to go about it.’ I don’t see any whataboutery in what I’ve posted tbh. I understand it might look like I’m defending the ‘other side’ but all I’m doing is pointing out that Hitchens isn’t saying ‘break lockdown’. His stance is railing against the idea that lockdown is beyond criticism, that anyone even asking questions about whether it’s the right policy or not is called a ‘covid denier’ (and he goes into great detail about how even the use of the word ‘denier’ carries power as it’s linked to Holocaust denial). He has every right to an opinion in my view, even if I disagree with a big chunk of what he says. " So he is linking covid with the holocaust? | |||
"This is the same with primary schools being closed it is an international human right to an education...not all parents are capable of being teachers for multitude of reasons & some don't have equipment. . and yet there are countries all over the world where children are not guaranteed an education , where maybe one lid from the village if lucky gets sent off to school ... so international human right might be a classification you just made up there also we haven’t removed uk rights to education, the method of delivery has been temporarily altered during a time of crisis I think education should be a right, but the idea that it must go on no matter what crisis is going on is absurd on its face. it should be and its incredibly sad that there are countries where kids don’t get an education but it was happening pre covid so to say its currently an international human right was just not true our “human rights” as people want to refer to anything they think is essential still have to fall within a hierarchy preservation of life has to be at the top of that hierarchy or you wont be here to experience any of the others " Agreed. Preservation of life comes before anything else. Other rights we mitigate as best we can in a health crisis. | |||
"Everyone is entitled to an opinion just because it differs from your own doesn’t make it wrong, lockdown is destroying livelihoods and business the same businesses that pay tax to fund the nhs and all other public services, it the wealth generators who are suffering remember all government money comes from wealth generating businesses not public services, the basic economic fact is we need to get back to work ... This is a very fair and balanced view on where we are. a view that considers only one side of one impact doesn’t become fair and balanced just because you state that at the end But it’s fact isn’t it, you can’t deny that taxes pay for society so we have to keep the economy functioning to keep the wheels turning Who has stopped paying tax? " nobody but it is fair to say we are currently spending at a rate higher than we are raising from tax revenue it still doesn’t make the what the poster said about one small subsection of a hugely complex situation fair and balanced | |||
"To continue from the last thread; ‘I think the government are a bunch of raging lying sociopathic buffoons with blood on their hands We are left with lockdown because they won't make hard decisions. I'm plenty sceptical. But the whataboutery isn't the way to go about it.’ I don’t see any whataboutery in what I’ve posted tbh. I understand it might look like I’m defending the ‘other side’ but all I’m doing is pointing out that Hitchens isn’t saying ‘break lockdown’. His stance is railing against the idea that lockdown is beyond criticism, that anyone even asking questions about whether it’s the right policy or not is called a ‘covid denier’ (and he goes into great detail about how even the use of the word ‘denier’ carries power as it’s linked to Holocaust denial). He has every right to an opinion in my view, even if I disagree with a big chunk of what he says. So he is linking covid with the holocaust?" I think the argument is that we can't call people Covid deniers because it sounds like Holocaust denial. | |||
"If anyone wants to continue Someone mentioned that lockdown has resulted in poverty, mental health issues and hunger. Did we not have those issues pre covid.? Funny how you are not prepared to read a scientific, peer reviewed and published study that disagrees with what you are saying. Its the same story.. 'provide evidence of your claims'... I (or others provide said evidence).. ignored/don't want to read it. Same with the studies on HCQ (one even published by Fauci), same with the mask studies (some even commissioned by the WHO). COVID is not a pandemic. it is a CASEdemic... there is actual science behind my claim, not just opinion. I read some of it. That was enough Some of the people who promote the casedemic thing think that this is an alien Soros plot to wipe out most of humanity. The sources he cites, most I'm familiar with, and the quotations are misleading. Take of that what you will " Sounds feasible | |||
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"Did we not have those issues pre covid.?" Yes we did, but for everyone there is also an extra layer of stress from the complete uncertainty surrounding us. | |||
"To continue from the last thread; ‘I think the government are a bunch of raging lying sociopathic buffoons with blood on their hands We are left with lockdown because they won't make hard decisions. I'm plenty sceptical. But the whataboutery isn't the way to go about it.’ I don’t see any whataboutery in what I’ve posted tbh. I understand it might look like I’m defending the ‘other side’ but all I’m doing is pointing out that Hitchens isn’t saying ‘break lockdown’. His stance is railing against the idea that lockdown is beyond criticism, that anyone even asking questions about whether it’s the right policy or not is called a ‘covid denier’ (and he goes into great detail about how even the use of the word ‘denier’ carries power as it’s linked to Holocaust denial). He has every right to an opinion in my view, even if I disagree with a big chunk of what he says. So he is linking covid with the holocaust? I think the argument is that we can't call people Covid deniers because it sounds like Holocaust denial." Still..why he is making that link? Its total hyperbole | |||
"To continue from the last thread; ‘I think the government are a bunch of raging lying sociopathic buffoons with blood on their hands We are left with lockdown because they won't make hard decisions. I'm plenty sceptical. But the whataboutery isn't the way to go about it.’ I don’t see any whataboutery in what I’ve posted tbh. I understand it might look like I’m defending the ‘other side’ but all I’m doing is pointing out that Hitchens isn’t saying ‘break lockdown’. His stance is railing against the idea that lockdown is beyond criticism, that anyone even asking questions about whether it’s the right policy or not is called a ‘covid denier’ (and he goes into great detail about how even the use of the word ‘denier’ carries power as it’s linked to Holocaust denial). He has every right to an opinion in my view, even if I disagree with a big chunk of what he says. So he is linking covid with the holocaust? I think the argument is that we can't call people Covid deniers because it sounds like Holocaust denial." well thats a leap if ever i heard one ... best take the work denial out of the dictionary then | |||
"Something that always comes out in any crisis. People split into 'what can I do to make things better' and 'what is someone else going to do to make it better for me, I'm entitled to it'. Nowt as queer as folk as they say! " | |||
"Something that always comes out in any crisis. People split into 'what can I do to make things better' and 'what is someone else going to do to make it better for me, I'm entitled to it'. Nowt as queer as folk as they say! "I said to myself, this is my war effort. I was optimistic in March when I wiped down a loaf of bread and took it to a little old lady who couldn't get a delivery. It was small but tangible. Most of my small but tangible is now over the phone. Now I'm just fucking exhausted. | |||
"If anyone wants to continue Someone mentioned that lockdown has resulted in poverty, mental health issues and hunger. Did we not have those issues pre covid.? Africa has had poverty hunger and dirty water for generations. Laughable people in uk are moaning about being asked to stay indoors in their centrally heated homes, colour tv and broadband with wages paid by the government. " Can you live on less than £400 per month on universal credit? Those are the 'wages' you speak of for a lot of people not on 80% furlough payments, some don't even get that amount. | |||
"Did we not have those issues pre covid.? Yes we did, but for everyone there is also an extra layer of stress from the complete uncertainty surrounding us." I'll say it again We had those issues pre covid For the life of me I camt recall the mail and Hitchens getting their knickers in a twist then So why now? Because big business is losing out? | |||
"To continue from the last thread; ‘I think the government are a bunch of raging lying sociopathic buffoons with blood on their hands We are left with lockdown because they won't make hard decisions. I'm plenty sceptical. But the whataboutery isn't the way to go about it.’ I don’t see any whataboutery in what I’ve posted tbh. I understand it might look like I’m defending the ‘other side’ but all I’m doing is pointing out that Hitchens isn’t saying ‘break lockdown’. His stance is railing against the idea that lockdown is beyond criticism, that anyone even asking questions about whether it’s the right policy or not is called a ‘covid denier’ (and he goes into great detail about how even the use of the word ‘denier’ carries power as it’s linked to Holocaust denial). He has every right to an opinion in my view, even if I disagree with a big chunk of what he says. So he is linking covid with the holocaust? I think the argument is that we can't call people Covid deniers because it sounds like Holocaust denial. Still..why he is making that link? Its total hyperbole " Did you read what the poster wrote? He spoke of the use of the word 'denier'. He didn't link covid yo the holocaust. | |||
"Did we not have those issues pre covid.? Yes we did, but for everyone there is also an extra layer of stress from the complete uncertainty surrounding us. I'll say it again We had those issues pre covid For the life of me I camt recall the mail and Hitchens getting their knickers in a twist then So why now? Because big business is losing out?" Bigs businesses aren't losing out as badly as many small businesses. Plenty of them have gone under, have the likes of Asda and Tesco? No. | |||
"To continue from the last thread; ‘I think the government are a bunch of raging lying sociopathic buffoons with blood on their hands We are left with lockdown because they won't make hard decisions. I'm plenty sceptical. But the whataboutery isn't the way to go about it.’ I don’t see any whataboutery in what I’ve posted tbh. I understand it might look like I’m defending the ‘other side’ but all I’m doing is pointing out that Hitchens isn’t saying ‘break lockdown’. His stance is railing against the idea that lockdown is beyond criticism, that anyone even asking questions about whether it’s the right policy or not is called a ‘covid denier’ (and he goes into great detail about how even the use of the word ‘denier’ carries power as it’s linked to Holocaust denial). He has every right to an opinion in my view, even if I disagree with a big chunk of what he says. So he is linking covid with the holocaust? I think the argument is that we can't call people Covid deniers because it sounds like Holocaust denial. Still..why he is making that link? Its total hyperbole Did you read what the poster wrote? He spoke of the use of the word 'denier'. He didn't link covid yo the holocaust. " So he didnt use the word holocaust? | |||
"To continue from the last thread; ‘I think the government are a bunch of raging lying sociopathic buffoons with blood on their hands We are left with lockdown because they won't make hard decisions. I'm plenty sceptical. But the whataboutery isn't the way to go about it.’ I don’t see any whataboutery in what I’ve posted tbh. I understand it might look like I’m defending the ‘other side’ but all I’m doing is pointing out that Hitchens isn’t saying ‘break lockdown’. His stance is railing against the idea that lockdown is beyond criticism, that anyone even asking questions about whether it’s the right policy or not is called a ‘covid denier’ (and he goes into great detail about how even the use of the word ‘denier’ carries power as it’s linked to Holocaust denial). He has every right to an opinion in my view, even if I disagree with a big chunk of what he says. So he is linking covid with the holocaust? I think the argument is that we can't call people Covid deniers because it sounds like Holocaust denial. Still..why he is making that link? Its total hyperbole Did you read what the poster wrote? He spoke of the use of the word 'denier'. He didn't link covid yo the holocaust. So he didnt use the word holocaust?" There you go with your questions again. The answer is I don't know, I would presume he did as the poster has written the word. But you're trying to drag it into 'he compared covid to the holocaust' which is not how it was written from said poster | |||
"To continue from the last thread; ‘I think the government are a bunch of raging lying sociopathic buffoons with blood on their hands We are left with lockdown because they won't make hard decisions. I'm plenty sceptical. But the whataboutery isn't the way to go about it.’ I don’t see any whataboutery in what I’ve posted tbh. I understand it might look like I’m defending the ‘other side’ but all I’m doing is pointing out that Hitchens isn’t saying ‘break lockdown’. His stance is railing against the idea that lockdown is beyond criticism, that anyone even asking questions about whether it’s the right policy or not is called a ‘covid denier’ (and he goes into great detail about how even the use of the word ‘denier’ carries power as it’s linked to Holocaust denial). He has every right to an opinion in my view, even if I disagree with a big chunk of what he says. So he is linking covid with the holocaust? I think the argument is that we can't call people Covid deniers because it sounds like Holocaust denial. Still..why he is making that link? Its total hyperbole Did you read what the poster wrote? He spoke of the use of the word 'denier'. He didn't link covid yo the holocaust. " Hitchems compares the word denial to holocaust in another piece he compares it to the communist witch hunts in the 50s | |||
"To continue from the last thread; ‘I think the government are a bunch of raging lying sociopathic buffoons with blood on their hands We are left with lockdown because they won't make hard decisions. I'm plenty sceptical. But the whataboutery isn't the way to go about it.’ I don’t see any whataboutery in what I’ve posted tbh. I understand it might look like I’m defending the ‘other side’ but all I’m doing is pointing out that Hitchens isn’t saying ‘break lockdown’. His stance is railing against the idea that lockdown is beyond criticism, that anyone even asking questions about whether it’s the right policy or not is called a ‘covid denier’ (and he goes into great detail about how even the use of the word ‘denier’ carries power as it’s linked to Holocaust denial). He has every right to an opinion in my view, even if I disagree with a big chunk of what he says. So he is linking covid with the holocaust? I think the argument is that we can't call people Covid deniers because it sounds like Holocaust denial. Still..why he is making that link? Its total hyperbole Did you read what the poster wrote? He spoke of the use of the word 'denier'. He didn't link covid yo the holocaust. So he didnt use the word holocaust? There you go with your questions again. The answer is I don't know, I would presume he did as the poster has written the word. But you're trying to drag it into 'he compared covid to the holocaust' which is not how it was written from said poster" See above | |||
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"This is the same with primary schools being closed it is an international human right to an education...not all parents are capable of being teachers for multitude of reasons & some don't have equipment. . and yet there are countries all over the world where children are not guaranteed an education , where maybe one lid from the village if lucky gets sent off to school ... so international human right might be a classification you just made up there also we haven’t removed uk rights to education, the method of delivery has been temporarily altered during a time of crisis I think education should be a right, but the idea that it must go on no matter what crisis is going on is absurd on its face. it should be and its incredibly sad that there are countries where kids don’t get an education but it was happening pre covid so to say its currently an international human right was just not true our “human rights” as people want to refer to anything they think is essential still have to fall within a hierarchy preservation of life has to be at the top of that hierarchy or you wont be here to experience any of the others Agreed. Preservation of life comes before anything else. Other rights we mitigate as best we can in a health crisis." unfortunetly no it doesn't, we are part of nature and part of that process is to die, the folk dying are largely over the age of life expectancy (minus a few anomilies or frontline(which is obvious)). They would die of something covid or otherwise and we are not gods to decide over nature or to make humans or any species immortal. you say preservation of life but by that you mean human life right? not all the other species that we kill to get what we need or torture for our medical advances. you have to draw the line and it cannot be favouring one species over another for the sake of immortality. its not going to wipe out humanity. | |||
"The poster seems to be forwarding the argument (not sure who made the argument) that it's bad to call someone a denier, because by association it's like Holocaust denial. A denier is a person who denies something. If you deny Covid or the seriousness of Covid, you're a Covid denier, no matter how much it might hurt your feelings." If you google 'what is the word denier associated with' It bring up the holocaust in the first 2 links, I didn't scroll any further. I'm not saying I agree with Hitchens but to start saying he compared covid to the holocaust is not what I read from the poster | |||
"The poster seems to be forwarding the argument (not sure who made the argument) that it's bad to call someone a denier, because by association it's like Holocaust denial. A denier is a person who denies something. If you deny Covid or the seriousness of Covid, you're a Covid denier, no matter how much it might hurt your feelings. If you google 'what is the word denier associated with' It bring up the holocaust in the first 2 links, I didn't scroll any further. I'm not saying I agree with Hitchens but to start saying he compared covid to the holocaust is not what I read from the poster " It might be associated with the Holocaust. Tough shit. | |||
"This is the same with primary schools being closed it is an international human right to an education...not all parents are capable of being teachers for multitude of reasons & some don't have equipment. . and yet there are countries all over the world where children are not guaranteed an education , where maybe one lid from the village if lucky gets sent off to school ... so international human right might be a classification you just made up there also we haven’t removed uk rights to education, the method of delivery has been temporarily altered during a time of crisis I think education should be a right, but the idea that it must go on no matter what crisis is going on is absurd on its face. it should be and its incredibly sad that there are countries where kids don’t get an education but it was happening pre covid so to say its currently an international human right was just not true our “human rights” as people want to refer to anything they think is essential still have to fall within a hierarchy preservation of life has to be at the top of that hierarchy or you wont be here to experience any of the others Agreed. Preservation of life comes before anything else. Other rights we mitigate as best we can in a health crisis. unfortunetly no it doesn't, we are part of nature and part of that process is to die, the folk dying are largely over the age of life expectancy (minus a few anomilies or frontline(which is obvious)). They would die of something covid or otherwise and we are not gods to decide over nature or to make humans or any species immortal. you say preservation of life but by that you mean human life right? not all the other species that we kill to get what we need or torture for our medical advances. you have to draw the line and it cannot be favouring one species over another for the sake of immortality. its not going to wipe out humanity. " Your argument is puerile | |||
"If anyone wants to continue Someone mentioned that lockdown has resulted in poverty, mental health issues and hunger. Did we not have those issues pre covid.? Funny how you are not prepared to read a scientific, peer reviewed and published study that disagrees with what you are saying. Its the same story.. 'provide evidence of your claims'... I (or others provide said evidence).. ignored/don't want to read it. Same with the studies on HCQ (one even published by Fauci), same with the mask studies (some even commissioned by the WHO). COVID is not a pandemic. it is a CASEdemic... there is actual science behind my claim, not just opinion. I read some of it. That was enough Some of the people who promote the casedemic thing think that this is an alien Soros plot to wipe out most of humanity. The sources he cites, most I'm familiar with, and the quotations are misleading. Take of that what you will " Sure, which sources am i using and how are the quotations misleading? PCR CT is set too high. The case numbers are wrong. That is a pretty accepted fact and proven in court. | |||
"Something that always comes out in any crisis. People split into 'what can I do to make things better' and 'what is someone else going to do to make it better for me, I'm entitled to it'. Nowt as queer as folk as they say!
I said to myself, this is my war effort.
I was optimistic in March when I wiped down a loaf of bread and took it to a little old lady who couldn't get a delivery. It was small but tangible.
Most of my small but tangible is now over the phone.
Now I'm just fucking exhausted."my small bit is being at home, in isolation which someone referred to as punishment on another thread - yes its absolute bollocks and my mental health has slowly deteriorated into the ground . i’ve left the house once since christmas for food shopping, but its what i am able to do others have been great out helping their communities , working on covid wards ... my bit doesn’t compare to to them ... and i don’t expect everyone to do the same, just for them to do as much as they are able to rather than entitled to and that includes being able to just put a lanyard on and give the people in the supermarket less of a hard time about just doing their jobs, being able to pipe down and not share your thoughts that you know others will feed off of as reasons to break the rules, the one thing pretty much guaranteed about covid and lockdown is its an absolute shitter of a time for everyone ... for whatever reason be that illness, lost loved ones, lost jobs, isolation, dreaming of some isolation while you home school etc etc etc ... very few people as individuals have come out on top of this (so please dont respond with government friends contracts crap cause right now i don’t care) we have pull together in one direction to get out the other side as soon as possible or we are just slowing down the effort and increasing the damage to everyone | |||
"If anyone wants to continue Someone mentioned that lockdown has resulted in poverty, mental health issues and hunger. Did we not have those issues pre covid.? Funny how you are not prepared to read a scientific, peer reviewed and published study that disagrees with what you are saying. Its the same story.. 'provide evidence of your claims'... I (or others provide said evidence).. ignored/don't want to read it. Same with the studies on HCQ (one even published by Fauci), same with the mask studies (some even commissioned by the WHO). COVID is not a pandemic. it is a CASEdemic... there is actual science behind my claim, not just opinion. I read some of it. That was enough Some of the people who promote the casedemic thing think that this is an alien Soros plot to wipe out most of humanity. The sources he cites, most I'm familiar with, and the quotations are misleading. Take of that what you will Sure, which sources am i using and how are the quotations misleading? PCR CT is set too high. The case numbers are wrong. That is a pretty accepted fact and proven in court." Which,that Portuguese court decision where the judges were facing disciplinary action for being incorrect in both fact and Portuguese law? | |||
"The poster seems to be forwarding the argument (not sure who made the argument) that it's bad to call someone a denier, because by association it's like Holocaust denial. A denier is a person who denies something. If you deny Covid or the seriousness of Covid, you're a Covid denier, no matter how much it might hurt your feelings." Hitchens mentions it aswell | |||
"Everyone is entitled to an opinion just because it differs from your own doesn’t make it wrong, lockdown is destroying livelihoods and business the same businesses that pay tax to fund the nhs and all other public services, it the wealth generators who are suffering remember all government money comes from wealth generating businesses not public services, the basic economic fact is we need to get back to work ... This is a very fair and balanced view on where we are. a view that considers only one side of one impact doesn’t become fair and balanced just because you state that at the end But it’s fact isn’t it, you can’t deny that taxes pay for society so we have to keep the economy functioning to keep the wheels turning Who has stopped paying tax? nobody but it is fair to say we are currently spending at a rate higher than we are raising from tax revenue it still doesn’t make the what the poster said about one small subsection of a hugely complex situation fair and balanced " But the tax revenue is vastly reduced, we are close to 2 million unemployed and having to pay universal credit, where is the money tree coming from? | |||
"This is the same with primary schools being closed it is an international human right to an education...not all parents are capable of being teachers for multitude of reasons & some don't have equipment. . and yet there are countries all over the world where children are not guaranteed an education , where maybe one lid from the village if lucky gets sent off to school ... so international human right might be a classification you just made up there also we haven’t removed uk rights to education, the method of delivery has been temporarily altered during a time of crisis I think education should be a right, but the idea that it must go on no matter what crisis is going on is absurd on its face. it should be and its incredibly sad that there are countries where kids don’t get an education but it was happening pre covid so to say its currently an international human right was just not true our “human rights” as people want to refer to anything they think is essential still have to fall within a hierarchy preservation of life has to be at the top of that hierarchy or you wont be here to experience any of the others Agreed. Preservation of life comes before anything else. Other rights we mitigate as best we can in a health crisis. unfortunetly no it doesn't, we are part of nature and part of that process is to die, the folk dying are largely over the age of life expectancy (minus a few anomilies or frontline(which is obvious)). They would die of something covid or otherwise and we are not gods to decide over nature or to make humans or any species immortal. you say preservation of life but by that you mean human life right? not all the other species that we kill to get what we need or torture for our medical advances. you have to draw the line and it cannot be favouring one species over another for the sake of immortality. its not going to wipe out humanity. " im not talking about the circle of life or suggesting immortality you’ve gone way past the scope of what i was talking about which is actual legal human rights and what people regularly perceive and claim on here to be their human rights (like when you said education) within that list there must be a hierarchy and without preservation of life at the top the others are not required as we dont need food, shelter, education etc for dead bodies | |||
"The poster seems to be forwarding the argument (not sure who made the argument) that it's bad to call someone a denier, because by association it's like Holocaust denial. A denier is a person who denies something. If you deny Covid or the seriousness of Covid, you're a Covid denier, no matter how much it might hurt your feelings. If you google 'what is the word denier associated with' It bring up the holocaust in the first 2 links, I didn't scroll any further. I'm not saying I agree with Hitchens but to start saying he compared covid to the holocaust is not what I read from the poster " He argues the word in denier has connotions with holocaust denier. It's a ridiculous comparison and he is clearly using it as a comparison with the covid situation | |||
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"Everyone is entitled to an opinion just because it differs from your own doesn’t make it wrong, lockdown is destroying livelihoods and business the same businesses that pay tax to fund the nhs and all other public services, it the wealth generators who are suffering remember all government money comes from wealth generating businesses not public services, the basic economic fact is we need to get back to work ... This is a very fair and balanced view on where we are. a view that considers only one side of one impact doesn’t become fair and balanced just because you state that at the end But it’s fact isn’t it, you can’t deny that taxes pay for society so we have to keep the economy functioning to keep the wheels turning Who has stopped paying tax? nobody but it is fair to say we are currently spending at a rate higher than we are raising from tax revenue it still doesn’t make the what the poster said about one small subsection of a hugely complex situation fair and balanced But the tax revenue is vastly reduced, we are close to 2 million unemployed and having to pay universal credit, where is the money tree coming from?" government borrowing what you are sating is not false but its a tony part of the picture and based on on the current scenario consider this - we open everything up to get tax revenue in, under your microscope where you look at only one element which presumably is the treasury balance sheet ... yay winning! oh wait ... now the infection rates have gone up, the hospitals are full, we have people dying , not just old people but working age people who had heart attacks or car crashes and couldnt get treatment, thats us lost their revenue again and people are falling sick everywhere ao businesses cant operate anyway due to sickness levels so thats their revenue reduced and we are paying out ssp and we are back at square one with the virus still running rampant see how looking at only one element doesn’t help us come to a solution? truth is there is no solution that will work across the board, its a very fine balancing act between health and economy ... one does not survive without the other and its not easy to work out how much of a beating one can take before the other starts to fail too but thats the decision currently in the governments hands | |||
"Everyone is entitled to an opinion just because it differs from your own doesn’t make it wrong, lockdown is destroying livelihoods and business the same businesses that pay tax to fund the nhs and all other public services, it the wealth generators who are suffering remember all government money comes from wealth generating businesses not public services, the basic economic fact is we need to get back to work ... This is a very fair and balanced view on where we are. a view that considers only one side of one impact doesn’t become fair and balanced just because you state that at the end But it’s fact isn’t it, you can’t deny that taxes pay for society so we have to keep the economy functioning to keep the wheels turning Who has stopped paying tax? nobody but it is fair to say we are currently spending at a rate higher than we are raising from tax revenue it still doesn’t make the what the poster said about one small subsection of a hugely complex situation fair and balanced But the tax revenue is vastly reduced, we are close to 2 million unemployed and having to pay universal credit, where is the money tree coming from?" Maybe the government should have thought about this and come up with effective solutions in March or April. | |||
"What summed it up for me was a disabled teenager in a care home who had not been allowed to see even his mother for nine months because he might get covid. Despite that he has now caught it and, of course he is absolutely fine because he probably has more chance of dying of a meteor strike. No doubt he still won't be allowed to see her because he might catch it again. People in Romanian orphanages in the 80s were treated better than this." Maybe they should let 100,000s more people die then | |||
"Everyone is entitled to an opinion just because it differs from your own doesn’t make it wrong, lockdown is destroying livelihoods and business the same businesses that pay tax to fund the nhs and all other public services, it the wealth generators who are suffering remember all government money comes from wealth generating businesses not public services, the basic economic fact is we need to get back to work ... This is a very fair and balanced view on where we are. a view that considers only one side of one impact doesn’t become fair and balanced just because you state that at the end But it’s fact isn’t it, you can’t deny that taxes pay for society so we have to keep the economy functioning to keep the wheels turning Who has stopped paying tax? nobody but it is fair to say we are currently spending at a rate higher than we are raising from tax revenue it still doesn’t make the what the poster said about one small subsection of a hugely complex situation fair and balanced But the tax revenue is vastly reduced, we are close to 2 million unemployed and having to pay universal credit, where is the money tree coming from? Maybe the government should have thought about this and come up with effective solutions in March or April." The solution is that we need to open up some of the economy safely, slowly and get our economy back up and running. Otherwise we are fucked basically. | |||
"Everyone is entitled to an opinion just because it differs from your own doesn’t make it wrong, lockdown is destroying livelihoods and business the same businesses that pay tax to fund the nhs and all other public services, it the wealth generators who are suffering remember all government money comes from wealth generating businesses not public services, the basic economic fact is we need to get back to work ... This is a very fair and balanced view on where we are. a view that considers only one side of one impact doesn’t become fair and balanced just because you state that at the end But it’s fact isn’t it, you can’t deny that taxes pay for society so we have to keep the economy functioning to keep the wheels turning Who has stopped paying tax? nobody but it is fair to say we are currently spending at a rate higher than we are raising from tax revenue it still doesn’t make the what the poster said about one small subsection of a hugely complex situation fair and balanced But the tax revenue is vastly reduced, we are close to 2 million unemployed and having to pay universal credit, where is the money tree coming from?" We are one of the richest counties on the planet They money will be recouped Every penny | |||
"Everyone is entitled to an opinion just because it differs from your own doesn’t make it wrong, lockdown is destroying livelihoods and business the same businesses that pay tax to fund the nhs and all other public services, it the wealth generators who are suffering remember all government money comes from wealth generating businesses not public services, the basic economic fact is we need to get back to work ... This is a very fair and balanced view on where we are. a view that considers only one side of one impact doesn’t become fair and balanced just because you state that at the end But it’s fact isn’t it, you can’t deny that taxes pay for society so we have to keep the economy functioning to keep the wheels turning Who has stopped paying tax? nobody but it is fair to say we are currently spending at a rate higher than we are raising from tax revenue it still doesn’t make the what the poster said about one small subsection of a hugely complex situation fair and balanced But the tax revenue is vastly reduced, we are close to 2 million unemployed and having to pay universal credit, where is the money tree coming from? Maybe the government should have thought about this and come up with effective solutions in March or April. The solution is that we need to open up some of the economy safely, slowly and get our economy back up and running. Otherwise we are fucked basically." Agreed, but that would depend on having a way to do it rather than slogans and hoping for the best. | |||
"Everyone is entitled to an opinion just because it differs from your own doesn’t make it wrong, lockdown is destroying livelihoods and business the same businesses that pay tax to fund the nhs and all other public services, it the wealth generators who are suffering remember all government money comes from wealth generating businesses not public services, the basic economic fact is we need to get back to work ... This is a very fair and balanced view on where we are. a view that considers only one side of one impact doesn’t become fair and balanced just because you state that at the end But it’s fact isn’t it, you can’t deny that taxes pay for society so we have to keep the economy functioning to keep the wheels turning Who has stopped paying tax? nobody but it is fair to say we are currently spending at a rate higher than we are raising from tax revenue it still doesn’t make the what the poster said about one small subsection of a hugely complex situation fair and balanced But the tax revenue is vastly reduced, we are close to 2 million unemployed and having to pay universal credit, where is the money tree coming from? Maybe the government should have thought about this and come up with effective solutions in March or April. The solution is that we need to open up some of the economy safely, slowly and get our economy back up and running. Otherwise we are fucked basically. Agreed, but that would depend on having a way to do it rather than slogans and hoping for the best." Totally agree but this government treat us like idiots with the simplistic 3 statement slogans, it’s embarrassing | |||
"Everyone is entitled to an opinion just because it differs from your own doesn’t make it wrong, lockdown is destroying livelihoods and business the same businesses that pay tax to fund the nhs and all other public services, it the wealth generators who are suffering remember all government money comes from wealth generating businesses not public services, the basic economic fact is we need to get back to work ... This is a very fair and balanced view on where we are. a view that considers only one side of one impact doesn’t become fair and balanced just because you state that at the end But it’s fact isn’t it, you can’t deny that taxes pay for society so we have to keep the economy functioning to keep the wheels turning Who has stopped paying tax? nobody but it is fair to say we are currently spending at a rate higher than we are raising from tax revenue it still doesn’t make the what the poster said about one small subsection of a hugely complex situation fair and balanced But the tax revenue is vastly reduced, we are close to 2 million unemployed and having to pay universal credit, where is the money tree coming from? Maybe the government should have thought about this and come up with effective solutions in March or April. The solution is that we need to open up some of the economy safely, slowly and get our economy back up and running. Otherwise we are fucked basically." you mean exactly what we did in the summer, while it was safer? then when levels of the virus got too high we have reduced again to bring those levels down enough to allow us to repeat the process and by which point hopefully the vaccine rollout will have tended far enough that and retightening of restrictions shouldn’t need to be as strict? it sounds to me like what you are hoping for is exactly what the government are doing ... unless when you say reopen the economy safely you really mean instantly and to hell with who dies? | |||
"Everyone is entitled to an opinion just because it differs from your own doesn’t make it wrong, lockdown is destroying livelihoods and business the same businesses that pay tax to fund the nhs and all other public services, it the wealth generators who are suffering remember all government money comes from wealth generating businesses not public services, the basic economic fact is we need to get back to work ... This is a very fair and balanced view on where we are. a view that considers only one side of one impact doesn’t become fair and balanced just because you state that at the end But it’s fact isn’t it, you can’t deny that taxes pay for society so we have to keep the economy functioning to keep the wheels turning Who has stopped paying tax? nobody but it is fair to say we are currently spending at a rate higher than we are raising from tax revenue it still doesn’t make the what the poster said about one small subsection of a hugely complex situation fair and balanced But the tax revenue is vastly reduced, we are close to 2 million unemployed and having to pay universal credit, where is the money tree coming from? Maybe the government should have thought about this and come up with effective solutions in March or April. The solution is that we need to open up some of the economy safely, slowly and get our economy back up and running. Otherwise we are fucked basically. you mean exactly what we did in the summer, while it was safer? then when levels of the virus got too high we have reduced again to bring those levels down enough to allow us to repeat the process and by which point hopefully the vaccine rollout will have tended far enough that and retightening of restrictions shouldn’t need to be as strict? it sounds to me like what you are hoping for is exactly what the government are doing ... unless when you say reopen the economy safely you really mean instantly and to hell with who dies? " That’s not what I’m saying and if you take the time to read my messages you’d see that. We are fucking up a lot of our economy and we function as a society on tax paying for how we live, if we don’t have a more nuanced approach to this we are fucked. | |||
"Everyone is entitled to an opinion just because it differs from your own doesn’t make it wrong, lockdown is destroying livelihoods and business the same businesses that pay tax to fund the nhs and all other public services, it the wealth generators who are suffering remember all government money comes from wealth generating businesses not public services, the basic economic fact is we need to get back to work ... This is a very fair and balanced view on where we are. a view that considers only one side of one impact doesn’t become fair and balanced just because you state that at the end But it’s fact isn’t it, you can’t deny that taxes pay for society so we have to keep the economy functioning to keep the wheels turning Who has stopped paying tax? nobody but it is fair to say we are currently spending at a rate higher than we are raising from tax revenue it still doesn’t make the what the poster said about one small subsection of a hugely complex situation fair and balanced But the tax revenue is vastly reduced, we are close to 2 million unemployed and having to pay universal credit, where is the money tree coming from? We are one of the richest counties on the planet They money will be recouped Every penny " Assuming you are not on benefits, it will be recouped from you. 4 or 5 hundred billion spent, 20 million workers, £25,000 each. I hope you weren't planning on any luxuries over the next few years. | |||
"Everyone is entitled to an opinion just because it differs from your own doesn’t make it wrong, lockdown is destroying livelihoods and business the same businesses that pay tax to fund the nhs and all other public services, it the wealth generators who are suffering remember all government money comes from wealth generating businesses not public services, the basic economic fact is we need to get back to work ... This is a very fair and balanced view on where we are. a view that considers only one side of one impact doesn’t become fair and balanced just because you state that at the end But it’s fact isn’t it, you can’t deny that taxes pay for society so we have to keep the economy functioning to keep the wheels turning Who has stopped paying tax? nobody but it is fair to say we are currently spending at a rate higher than we are raising from tax revenue it still doesn’t make the what the poster said about one small subsection of a hugely complex situation fair and balanced But the tax revenue is vastly reduced, we are close to 2 million unemployed and having to pay universal credit, where is the money tree coming from? Maybe the government should have thought about this and come up with effective solutions in March or April. The solution is that we need to open up some of the economy safely, slowly and get our economy back up and running. Otherwise we are fucked basically. Agreed, but that would depend on having a way to do it rather than slogans and hoping for the best. Totally agree but this government treat us like idiots with the simplistic 3 statement slogans, it’s embarrassing " Agreed | |||
"Everyone is entitled to an opinion just because it differs from your own doesn’t make it wrong, lockdown is destroying livelihoods and business the same businesses that pay tax to fund the nhs and all other public services, it the wealth generators who are suffering remember all government money comes from wealth generating businesses not public services, the basic economic fact is we need to get back to work ... This is a very fair and balanced view on where we are. a view that considers only one side of one impact doesn’t become fair and balanced just because you state that at the end But it’s fact isn’t it, you can’t deny that taxes pay for society so we have to keep the economy functioning to keep the wheels turning Who has stopped paying tax? nobody but it is fair to say we are currently spending at a rate higher than we are raising from tax revenue it still doesn’t make the what the poster said about one small subsection of a hugely complex situation fair and balanced But the tax revenue is vastly reduced, we are close to 2 million unemployed and having to pay universal credit, where is the money tree coming from? Maybe the government should have thought about this and come up with effective solutions in March or April. The solution is that we need to open up some of the economy safely, slowly and get our economy back up and running. Otherwise we are fucked basically. you mean exactly what we did in the summer, while it was safer? then when levels of the virus got too high we have reduced again to bring those levels down enough to allow us to repeat the process and by which point hopefully the vaccine rollout will have tended far enough that and retightening of restrictions shouldn’t need to be as strict? it sounds to me like what you are hoping for is exactly what the government are doing ... unless when you say reopen the economy safely you really mean instantly and to hell with who dies? That’s not what I’m saying and if you take the time to read my messages you’d see that. We are fucking up a lot of our economy and we function as a society on tax paying for how we live, if we don’t have a more nuanced approach to this we are fucked." okay fair enough, but by only focussing your posts on one element of your thinking it comes across like you just want to scrap lockdown and get back to normal life which is a common but unhelpful message at the moment . now sounds like you might be that your closer in thinking to _naswingdress who disagrees with the governments approach but is still sticking to it to just pull in the right direction because we all want lockdown to go away - i think alot of people feel that way to be honest but what is this more nuanced approach and how does it take virus suppression into account at the same time as the economy | |||
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"Everyone is entitled to an opinion just because it differs from your own doesn’t make it wrong, lockdown is destroying livelihoods and business the same businesses that pay tax to fund the nhs and all other public services, it the wealth generators who are suffering remember all government money comes from wealth generating businesses not public services, the basic economic fact is we need to get back to work ... This is a very fair and balanced view on where we are. a view that considers only one side of one impact doesn’t become fair and balanced just because you state that at the end But it’s fact isn’t it, you can’t deny that taxes pay for society so we have to keep the economy functioning to keep the wheels turning Who has stopped paying tax? nobody but it is fair to say we are currently spending at a rate higher than we are raising from tax revenue it still doesn’t make the what the poster said about one small subsection of a hugely complex situation fair and balanced But the tax revenue is vastly reduced, we are close to 2 million unemployed and having to pay universal credit, where is the money tree coming from? Maybe the government should have thought about this and come up with effective solutions in March or April. The solution is that we need to open up some of the economy safely, slowly and get our economy back up and running. Otherwise we are fucked basically. you mean exactly what we did in the summer, while it was safer? then when levels of the virus got too high we have reduced again to bring those levels down enough to allow us to repeat the process and by which point hopefully the vaccine rollout will have tended far enough that and retightening of restrictions shouldn’t need to be as strict? it sounds to me like what you are hoping for is exactly what the government are doing ... unless when you say reopen the economy safely you really mean instantly and to hell with who dies? That’s not what I’m saying and if you take the time to read my messages you’d see that. We are fucking up a lot of our economy and we function as a society on tax paying for how we live, if we don’t have a more nuanced approach to this we are fucked. okay fair enough, but by only focussing your posts on one element of your thinking it comes across like you just want to scrap lockdown and get back to normal life which is a common but unhelpful message at the moment . now sounds like you might be that your closer in thinking to _naswingdress who disagrees with the governments approach but is still sticking to it to just pull in the right direction because we all want lockdown to go away - i think alot of people feel that way to be honest but what is this more nuanced approach and how does it take virus suppression into account at the same time as the economy " The Great Barrington Declaration provided an interesting counter to complete economic lockdown. | |||
"If anyone wants to continue Someone mentioned that lockdown has resulted in poverty, mental health issues and hunger. Did we not have those issues pre covid.? Funny how you are not prepared to read a scientific, peer reviewed and published study that disagrees with what you are saying. Its the same story.. 'provide evidence of your claims'... I (or others provide said evidence).. ignored/don't want to read it. Same with the studies on HCQ (one even published by Fauci), same with the mask studies (some even commissioned by the WHO). COVID is not a pandemic. it is a CASEdemic... there is actual science behind my claim, not just opinion. I read some of it. That was enough Some of the people who promote the casedemic thing think that this is an alien Soros plot to wipe out most of humanity. The sources he cites, most I'm familiar with, and the quotations are misleading. Take of that what you will Sure, which sources am i using and how are the quotations misleading? PCR CT is set too high. The case numbers are wrong. That is a pretty accepted fact and proven in court. Which,that Portuguese court decision where the judges were facing disciplinary action for being incorrect in both fact and Portuguese law? "the discipline threat was dropped on the 3rd Dec..the judgement stands as does my point. | |||
"If anyone wants to continue Someone mentioned that lockdown has resulted in poverty, mental health issues and hunger. Did we not have those issues pre covid.? Funny how you are not prepared to read a scientific, peer reviewed and published study that disagrees with what you are saying. Its the same story.. 'provide evidence of your claims'... I (or others provide said evidence).. ignored/don't want to read it. Same with the studies on HCQ (one even published by Fauci), same with the mask studies (some even commissioned by the WHO). COVID is not a pandemic. it is a CASEdemic... there is actual science behind my claim, not just opinion. I read some of it. That was enough Some of the people who promote the casedemic thing think that this is an alien Soros plot to wipe out most of humanity. The sources he cites, most I'm familiar with, and the quotations are misleading. Take of that what you will Sure, which sources am i using and how are the quotations misleading? PCR CT is set too high. The case numbers are wrong. That is a pretty accepted fact and proven in court. Which,that Portuguese court decision where the judges were facing disciplinary action for being incorrect in both fact and Portuguese law?
the discipline threat was dropped on the 3rd Dec..the judgement stands as does my point."Ok. So some cherry picker quotes and a single judgement from a middling appeals court in Portugal should overrule the scientific consensus because...? | |||
" It is an absolute scandal what is happening, but, resistance is growing by the day as we are now seeing. They have taken our jobs, our homes, with multiple business closures, our social lives, our families, our friends, our right to medical care because Covid is prioritised. They try to fine us if we step out of line according to whatever new rules they’ve put in place that week and now they are taking your children’s education. Perhaps even more worryingly in the process they have taken your sanity, your mental health and your hope. People have been slowly conditioned into fearing a virus instead of our government. You cannot get away from it, in the shops tannoy systems repeatedly blare out the mantra to keep your distance, wear the mask, adverts on tv, on the radio. Now we have vaccines that we’re told don’t stop you from spreading it. People need to wake the fuck up and say enough is enough. " Resistance is fading, people are realising pretending this pandemic isn’t real is a fools errand. | |||
"Everyone is entitled to an opinion just because it differs from your own doesn’t make it wrong, lockdown is destroying livelihoods and business the same businesses that pay tax to fund the nhs and all other public services, it the wealth generators who are suffering remember all government money comes from wealth generating businesses not public services, the basic economic fact is we need to get back to work ... This is a very fair and balanced view on where we are. a view that considers only one side of one impact doesn’t become fair and balanced just because you state that at the end But it’s fact isn’t it, you can’t deny that taxes pay for society so we have to keep the economy functioning to keep the wheels turning Who has stopped paying tax? nobody but it is fair to say we are currently spending at a rate higher than we are raising from tax revenue it still doesn’t make the what the poster said about one small subsection of a hugely complex situation fair and balanced But the tax revenue is vastly reduced, we are close to 2 million unemployed and having to pay universal credit, where is the money tree coming from? Maybe the government should have thought about this and come up with effective solutions in March or April. The solution is that we need to open up some of the economy safely, slowly and get our economy back up and running. Otherwise we are fucked basically. you mean exactly what we did in the summer, while it was safer? then when levels of the virus got too high we have reduced again to bring those levels down enough to allow us to repeat the process and by which point hopefully the vaccine rollout will have tended far enough that and retightening of restrictions shouldn’t need to be as strict? it sounds to me like what you are hoping for is exactly what the government are doing ... unless when you say reopen the economy safely you really mean instantly and to hell with who dies? That’s not what I’m saying and if you take the time to read my messages you’d see that. We are fucking up a lot of our economy and we function as a society on tax paying for how we live, if we don’t have a more nuanced approach to this we are fucked. okay fair enough, but by only focussing your posts on one element of your thinking it comes across like you just want to scrap lockdown and get back to normal life which is a common but unhelpful message at the moment . now sounds like you might be that your closer in thinking to _naswingdress who disagrees with the governments approach but is still sticking to it to just pull in the right direction because we all want lockdown to go away - i think alot of people feel that way to be honest but what is this more nuanced approach and how does it take virus suppression into account at the same time as the economy The Great Barrington Declaration provided an interesting counter to complete economic lockdown. " One that has links to big oil and has been systematically and repeatedly discredited as unworkable and unethical. | |||
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" It is an absolute scandal what is happening, but, resistance is growing by the day as we are now seeing. They have taken our jobs, our homes, with multiple business closures, our social lives, our families, our friends, our right to medical care because Covid is prioritised. They try to fine us if we step out of line according to whatever new rules they’ve put in place that week and now they are taking your children’s education. Perhaps even more worryingly in the process they have taken your sanity, your mental health and your hope. People have been slowly conditioned into fearing a virus instead of our government. You cannot get away from it, in the shops tannoy systems repeatedly blare out the mantra to keep your distance, wear the mask, adverts on tv, on the radio. Now we have vaccines that we’re told don’t stop you from spreading it. People need to wake the fuck up and say enough is enough. Resistance is fading, people are realising pretending this pandemic isn’t real is a fools errand. " Dont seem like it round here,myself im still staying in just going to work and shopping when i need it but it looking more and more like people aint taking any notice anymore.saying that we only have a dozen old bill for a town of 30 odd thousand so no surprise peeps are doing what they want | |||
" Resistance is fading, people are realising pretending this pandemic isn’t real is a fools errand. " The social psychologists are pointing to our continued sense of unity and purpose. And the worst of the whackadoodles are deleting their denialism on Twitter because they look stupid and callous. | |||
"If anyone wants to continue Someone mentioned that lockdown has resulted in poverty, mental health issues and hunger. Did we not have those issues pre covid.? Funny how you are not prepared to read a scientific, peer reviewed and published study that disagrees with what you are saying. Its the same story.. 'provide evidence of your claims'... I (or others provide said evidence).. ignored/don't want to read it. Same with the studies on HCQ (one even published by Fauci), same with the mask studies (some even commissioned by the WHO). COVID is not a pandemic. it is a CASEdemic... there is actual science behind my claim, not just opinion. I read some of it. That was enough Some of the people who promote the casedemic thing think that this is an alien Soros plot to wipe out most of humanity. The sources he cites, most I'm familiar with, and the quotations are misleading. Take of that what you will Sure, which sources am i using and how are the quotations misleading? PCR CT is set too high. The case numbers are wrong. That is a pretty accepted fact and proven in court. Which,that Portuguese court decision where the judges were facing disciplinary action for being incorrect in both fact and Portuguese law?
the discipline threat was dropped on the 3rd Dec..the judgement stands as does my point.
Ok. So some cherry picker quotes and a single judgement from a middling appeals court in Portugal should overrule the scientific consensus because...?"You are ignoring the inventor of the PCR test and his statements on its effectiveness, Dr Fauci and his statements on CT, WHO and their recent statements on CT settings.. and the scientific consensus that the current CT of 40-45 should be 20-25.. 30 at the most. If/when that happens, you will see the numbers plummet... giving the huge advantage that care can then be focused on the ACTUAL infected and not the ASSUMED infected. | |||
"If anyone wants to continue Someone mentioned that lockdown has resulted in poverty, mental health issues and hunger. Did we not have those issues pre covid.? Funny how you are not prepared to read a scientific, peer reviewed and published study that disagrees with what you are saying. Its the same story.. 'provide evidence of your claims'... I (or others provide said evidence).. ignored/don't want to read it. Same with the studies on HCQ (one even published by Fauci), same with the mask studies (some even commissioned by the WHO). COVID is not a pandemic. it is a CASEdemic... there is actual science behind my claim, not just opinion. I read some of it. That was enough Some of the people who promote the casedemic thing think that this is an alien Soros plot to wipe out most of humanity. The sources he cites, most I'm familiar with, and the quotations are misleading. Take of that what you will Sure, which sources am i using and how are the quotations misleading? PCR CT is set too high. The case numbers are wrong. That is a pretty accepted fact and proven in court. Which,that Portuguese court decision where the judges were facing disciplinary action for being incorrect in both fact and Portuguese law?
the discipline threat was dropped on the 3rd Dec..the judgement stands as does my point.
Ok. So some cherry picker quotes and a single judgement from a middling appeals court in Portugal should overrule the scientific consensus because...?
You are ignoring the inventor of the PCR test and his statements on its effectiveness, Dr Fauci and his statements on CT, WHO and their recent statements on CT settings.. and the scientific consensus that the current CT of 40-45 should be 20-25.. 30 at the most.
If/when that happens, you will see the numbers plummet... giving the huge advantage that care can then be focused on the ACTUAL infected and not the ASSUMED infected."I'm ignoring the misquoting of the inventor of PCR, the out of context Fauci quote from a Twiv episode I listened to when it dropped, and the wilful misunderstanding of a recent WHO document for new PCR users, because they do not support your claims. Those who follow science follow denialist bullshit claims too, hun | |||
"Everyone is entitled to an opinion just because it differs from your own doesn’t make it wrong, lockdown is destroying livelihoods and business the same businesses that pay tax to fund the nhs and all other public services, it the wealth generators who are suffering remember all government money comes from wealth generating businesses not public services, the basic economic fact is we need to get back to work ... This is a very fair and balanced view on where we are. a view that considers only one side of one impact doesn’t become fair and balanced just because you state that at the end But it’s fact isn’t it, you can’t deny that taxes pay for society so we have to keep the economy functioning to keep the wheels turning Who has stopped paying tax? nobody but it is fair to say we are currently spending at a rate higher than we are raising from tax revenue it still doesn’t make the what the poster said about one small subsection of a hugely complex situation fair and balanced But the tax revenue is vastly reduced, we are close to 2 million unemployed and having to pay universal credit, where is the money tree coming from? Maybe the government should have thought about this and come up with effective solutions in March or April. The solution is that we need to open up some of the economy safely, slowly and get our economy back up and running. Otherwise we are fucked basically. you mean exactly what we did in the summer, while it was safer? then when levels of the virus got too high we have reduced again to bring those levels down enough to allow us to repeat the process and by which point hopefully the vaccine rollout will have tended far enough that and retightening of restrictions shouldn’t need to be as strict? it sounds to me like what you are hoping for is exactly what the government are doing ... unless when you say reopen the economy safely you really mean instantly and to hell with who dies? That’s not what I’m saying and if you take the time to read my messages you’d see that. We are fucking up a lot of our economy and we function as a society on tax paying for how we live, if we don’t have a more nuanced approach to this we are fucked. okay fair enough, but by only focussing your posts on one element of your thinking it comes across like you just want to scrap lockdown and get back to normal life which is a common but unhelpful message at the moment . now sounds like you might be that your closer in thinking to _naswingdress who disagrees with the governments approach but is still sticking to it to just pull in the right direction because we all want lockdown to go away - i think alot of people feel that way to be honest but what is this more nuanced approach and how does it take virus suppression into account at the same time as the economy The Great Barrington Declaration provided an interesting counter to complete economic lockdown. One that has links to big oil and has been systematically and repeatedly discredited as unworkable and unethical." Oh no!!! Not big oil!!! Quick, seal it in concrete and dump it in the ocean! They asked for an alternative, I provided one. They can make their own mind up. | |||
"If anyone wants to continue Someone mentioned that lockdown has resulted in poverty, mental health issues and hunger. Did we not have those issues pre covid.? Funny how you are not prepared to read a scientific, peer reviewed and published study that disagrees with what you are saying. Its the same story.. 'provide evidence of your claims'... I (or others provide said evidence).. ignored/don't want to read it. Same with the studies on HCQ (one even published by Fauci), same with the mask studies (some even commissioned by the WHO). COVID is not a pandemic. it is a CASEdemic... there is actual science behind my claim, not just opinion. I read some of it. That was enough Some of the people who promote the casedemic thing think that this is an alien Soros plot to wipe out most of humanity. The sources he cites, most I'm familiar with, and the quotations are misleading. Take of that what you will Sure, which sources am i using and how are the quotations misleading? PCR CT is set too high. The case numbers are wrong. That is a pretty accepted fact and proven in court. Which,that Portuguese court decision where the judges were facing disciplinary action for being incorrect in both fact and Portuguese law?
the discipline threat was dropped on the 3rd Dec..the judgement stands as does my point.
Ok. So some cherry picker quotes and a single judgement from a middling appeals court in Portugal should overrule the scientific consensus because...?
You are ignoring the inventor of the PCR test and his statements on its effectiveness, Dr Fauci and his statements on CT, WHO and their recent statements on CT settings.. and the scientific consensus that the current CT of 40-45 should be 20-25.. 30 at the most.
If/when that happens, you will see the numbers plummet... giving the huge advantage that care can then be focused on the ACTUAL infected and not the ASSUMED infected.
I'm ignoring the misquoting of the inventor of PCR, the out of context Fauci quote from a Twiv episode I listened to when it dropped, and the wilful misunderstanding of a recent WHO document for new PCR users, because they do not support your claims.
Those who follow science follow denialist bullshit claims too, hun "You've yet to say anything other than 'no it isn't' to disprove anything I've said. So as you offer nothing tangible as a counter arguments, I will conclude you have none. Have fun. | |||
"Everyone is entitled to an opinion just because it differs from your own doesn’t make it wrong, lockdown is destroying livelihoods and business the same businesses that pay tax to fund the nhs and all other public services, it the wealth generators who are suffering remember all government money comes from wealth generating businesses not public services, the basic economic fact is we need to get back to work ... This is a very fair and balanced view on where we are. a view that considers only one side of one impact doesn’t become fair and balanced just because you state that at the end But it’s fact isn’t it, you can’t deny that taxes pay for society so we have to keep the economy functioning to keep the wheels turning Who has stopped paying tax? nobody but it is fair to say we are currently spending at a rate higher than we are raising from tax revenue it still doesn’t make the what the poster said about one small subsection of a hugely complex situation fair and balanced But the tax revenue is vastly reduced, we are close to 2 million unemployed and having to pay universal credit, where is the money tree coming from? Maybe the government should have thought about this and come up with effective solutions in March or April. The solution is that we need to open up some of the economy safely, slowly and get our economy back up and running. Otherwise we are fucked basically. you mean exactly what we did in the summer, while it was safer? then when levels of the virus got too high we have reduced again to bring those levels down enough to allow us to repeat the process and by which point hopefully the vaccine rollout will have tended far enough that and retightening of restrictions shouldn’t need to be as strict? it sounds to me like what you are hoping for is exactly what the government are doing ... unless when you say reopen the economy safely you really mean instantly and to hell with who dies? That’s not what I’m saying and if you take the time to read my messages you’d see that. We are fucking up a lot of our economy and we function as a society on tax paying for how we live, if we don’t have a more nuanced approach to this we are fucked. okay fair enough, but by only focussing your posts on one element of your thinking it comes across like you just want to scrap lockdown and get back to normal life which is a common but unhelpful message at the moment . now sounds like you might be that your closer in thinking to _naswingdress who disagrees with the governments approach but is still sticking to it to just pull in the right direction because we all want lockdown to go away - i think alot of people feel that way to be honest but what is this more nuanced approach and how does it take virus suppression into account at the same time as the economy The Great Barrington Declaration provided an interesting counter to complete economic lockdown. One that has links to big oil and has been systematically and repeatedly discredited as unworkable and unethical. Oh no!!! Not big oil!!! Quick, seal it in concrete and dump it in the ocean! They asked for an alternative, I provided one. They can make their own mind up. " These things don't exist in a vacuum. What might that support indicate? Among the criticisms, it throws anyone presumed not to be vulnerable to the wolves. Also, focused protection does not mean the vulnerable can avoid all contact with those from the outside world. As cases rise - inevitable without restrictions - the risk of outbreaks among those we're trying to protect does too. It's nonsense. | |||
"If anyone wants to continue Someone mentioned that lockdown has resulted in poverty, mental health issues and hunger. Did we not have those issues pre covid.? Funny how you are not prepared to read a scientific, peer reviewed and published study that disagrees with what you are saying. Its the same story.. 'provide evidence of your claims'... I (or others provide said evidence).. ignored/don't want to read it. Same with the studies on HCQ (one even published by Fauci), same with the mask studies (some even commissioned by the WHO). COVID is not a pandemic. it is a CASEdemic... there is actual science behind my claim, not just opinion. I read some of it. That was enough Some of the people who promote the casedemic thing think that this is an alien Soros plot to wipe out most of humanity. The sources he cites, most I'm familiar with, and the quotations are misleading. Take of that what you will Sure, which sources am i using and how are the quotations misleading? PCR CT is set too high. The case numbers are wrong. That is a pretty accepted fact and proven in court. Which,that Portuguese court decision where the judges were facing disciplinary action for being incorrect in both fact and Portuguese law?
the discipline threat was dropped on the 3rd Dec..the judgement stands as does my point.
Ok. So some cherry picker quotes and a single judgement from a middling appeals court in Portugal should overrule the scientific consensus because...?
You are ignoring the inventor of the PCR test and his statements on its effectiveness, Dr Fauci and his statements on CT, WHO and their recent statements on CT settings.. and the scientific consensus that the current CT of 40-45 should be 20-25.. 30 at the most.
If/when that happens, you will see the numbers plummet... giving the huge advantage that care can then be focused on the ACTUAL infected and not the ASSUMED infected.
I'm ignoring the misquoting of the inventor of PCR, the out of context Fauci quote from a Twiv episode I listened to when it dropped, and the wilful misunderstanding of a recent WHO document for new PCR users, because they do not support your claims.
Those who follow science follow denialist bullshit claims too, hun
You've yet to say anything other than 'no it isn't' to disprove anything I've said. So as you offer nothing tangible as a counter arguments, I will conclude you have none.
Have fun. "I'm giving your Gish gallop of bullshit more argument and consideration than it deserves. I really don't give a toss if you believe me | |||
"Everyone is entitled to an opinion just because it differs from your own doesn’t make it wrong, lockdown is destroying livelihoods and business the same businesses that pay tax to fund the nhs and all other public services, it the wealth generators who are suffering remember all government money comes from wealth generating businesses not public services, the basic economic fact is we need to get back to work ... This is a very fair and balanced view on where we are. a view that considers only one side of one impact doesn’t become fair and balanced just because you state that at the end But it’s fact isn’t it, you can’t deny that taxes pay for society so we have to keep the economy functioning to keep the wheels turning Who has stopped paying tax? nobody but it is fair to say we are currently spending at a rate higher than we are raising from tax revenue it still doesn’t make the what the poster said about one small subsection of a hugely complex situation fair and balanced But the tax revenue is vastly reduced, we are close to 2 million unemployed and having to pay universal credit, where is the money tree coming from? Maybe the government should have thought about this and come up with effective solutions in March or April. The solution is that we need to open up some of the economy safely, slowly and get our economy back up and running. Otherwise we are fucked basically. you mean exactly what we did in the summer, while it was safer? then when levels of the virus got too high we have reduced again to bring those levels down enough to allow us to repeat the process and by which point hopefully the vaccine rollout will have tended far enough that and retightening of restrictions shouldn’t need to be as strict? it sounds to me like what you are hoping for is exactly what the government are doing ... unless when you say reopen the economy safely you really mean instantly and to hell with who dies? That’s not what I’m saying and if you take the time to read my messages you’d see that. We are fucking up a lot of our economy and we function as a society on tax paying for how we live, if we don’t have a more nuanced approach to this we are fucked. okay fair enough, but by only focussing your posts on one element of your thinking it comes across like you just want to scrap lockdown and get back to normal life which is a common but unhelpful message at the moment . now sounds like you might be that your closer in thinking to _naswingdress who disagrees with the governments approach but is still sticking to it to just pull in the right direction because we all want lockdown to go away - i think alot of people feel that way to be honest but what is this more nuanced approach and how does it take virus suppression into account at the same time as the economy The Great Barrington Declaration provided an interesting counter to complete economic lockdown. One that has links to big oil and has been systematically and repeatedly discredited as unworkable and unethical. Oh no!!! Not big oil!!! Quick, seal it in concrete and dump it in the ocean! They asked for an alternative, I provided one. They can make their own mind up. These things don't exist in a vacuum. What might that support indicate? Among the criticisms, it throws anyone presumed not to be vulnerable to the wolves. Also, focused protection does not mean the vulnerable can avoid all contact with those from the outside world. As cases rise - inevitable without restrictions - the risk of outbreaks among those we're trying to protect does too. It's nonsense." I’m sorry but the ‘big oil’ spectre is ridiculous considering we live in a society completely and utterly built on the back of ‘big oil’. Everything you do on a day to day basis is directly because of ‘big oil’. From the electric you use to power your hot water to the plastic that made your toothbrush. Making out ‘big oil’ is the looming monster out to destroy populations is hysterical. We don’t know it’s nonsense because we’ve not tried it. The concept was jumped upon and ‘debunked’ as ‘big oil’ fiddling before it even left the ground. Are you an internationally acclaimed virologist or epidemiologist? Doubt it. I’m not either. I’m at least open minded enough to look at the entire raft of options and say ‘D’you know what? There’s some really good points and suggestions on both sides here, with credible experts putting their cases forward’. I’m not so bold as to claim something as ‘nonsense’ when I’m not an expert in that field. I’m always suspicious when an idea gets fielded and is immediately shot down as ‘big oil’ or ‘big pharma’ or any other multi national bogeyman you chose to shoehorn into the discussion. | |||
"This is the same with primary schools being closed it is an international human right to an education...not all parents are capable of being teachers for multitude of reasons & some don't have equipment. . and yet there are countries all over the world where children are not guaranteed an education , where maybe one lid from the village if lucky gets sent off to school ... so international human right might be a classification you just made up there also we haven’t removed uk rights to education, the method of delivery has been temporarily altered during a time of crisis I think education should be a right, but the idea that it must go on no matter what crisis is going on is absurd on its face. it should be and its incredibly sad that there are countries where kids don’t get an education but it was happening pre covid so to say its currently an international human right was just not true our “human rights” as people want to refer to anything they think is essential still have to fall within a hierarchy preservation of life has to be at the top of that hierarchy or you wont be here to experience any of the others Agreed. Preservation of life comes before anything else. Other rights we mitigate as best we can in a health crisis. unfortunetly no it doesn't, we are part of nature and part of that process is to die, the folk dying are largely over the age of life expectancy (minus a few anomilies or frontline(which is obvious)). They would die of something covid or otherwise and we are not gods to decide over nature or to make humans or any species immortal. you say preservation of life but by that you mean human life right? not all the other species that we kill to get what we need or torture for our medical advances. you have to draw the line and it cannot be favouring one species over another for the sake of immortality. its not going to wipe out humanity. im not talking about the circle of life or suggesting immortality you’ve gone way past the scope of what i was talking about which is actual legal human rights and what people regularly perceive and claim on here to be their human rights (like when you said education) within that list there must be a hierarchy and without preservation of life at the top the others are not required as we dont need food, shelter, education etc for dead bodies " You have a right TO live not a right to preserve it. you do have a right to seek medical attention, but that is not nor should it be guaranteed to preserve life because as i said its absurd as part of life it to die. and yes i get its big picture stuff, way beyond the individual which means i also fall under these rules as do we all. | |||
" It is an absolute scandal what is happening, but, resistance is growing by the day as we are now seeing. They have taken our jobs, our homes, with multiple business closures, our social lives, our families, our friends, our right to medical care because Covid is prioritised. They try to fine us if we step out of line according to whatever new rules they’ve put in place that week and now they are taking your children’s education. Perhaps even more worryingly in the process they have taken your sanity, your mental health and your hope. People have been slowly conditioned into fearing a virus instead of our government. You cannot get away from it, in the shops tannoy systems repeatedly blare out the mantra to keep your distance, wear the mask, adverts on tv, on the radio. Now we have vaccines that we’re told don’t stop you from spreading it. People need to wake the fuck up and say enough is enough. While you're entitled to an opinion on the the way the gov has handled the situation. I'd suggest that the full tin foil hat idea that were all being controlled in some sort of 1984 style conspiracy is staggeringly naive. Since our politicians can't agree with each other, isn't it strange that all of the government's in the world agree that the pandemic exists, and broadly act the same way about it? Or is all news reporting fake and the rest of the world is carrying on normally while we're lied to in the UK? Doesn't it seem more likely that no one knows exactly how to 'win' in this situation and they're trying to appear confident to reduce panic? Surprisingly, we had laws, fines and announcements about public health before this, they just weren't front page news. China done it first rest copied in panic & are still going "oh s**t, what do we do? let's do what they are doing" One of the countries with the worst human rights abuses and most secretive in the world, but hey can build a hospital in 10 days, must be good right. They got everyone frightened and then looked...oh this is easy when everyone's locked up, can't see what we're doing & can't stop us, let's do it this way. Like Nicola closing a border that legally she can't & pushing again for independence despite all this..her mask is slipping though. Go watch any dystopian & listen to the 'government announcements' the little words like, 'we may', 'we're unable to predict' even 'new strains' the go watch the gov press releases...I swear the government has been taking their scripts from those films... it's shocking similar to now. Even things like trying to force folk with invisible disabilities to wear a lanyard or a badge so they don't get challenged, it's like the yellow stars in ww2 that some were made to wear (I'm not allowed to say it). It puts a viable symbol on that person who others will avoid through fear and ignorance ostrichizing the wearer from society. This alone could reverse a century of fighting for equality because it discriminate and marginalises. "Careful, don't draw comparisons between our increasingly totalitarian situation and those parts of history... Too many on here would happily have their own family carted off to prison or booted out of society if they decided not to have the vaccine. They just accept that the virus should be allowed to crumble the very fabric of society and that the economy we rely on is rapidly becoming obsolete... | |||
"This is the same with primary schools being closed it is an international human right to an education...not all parents are capable of being teachers for multitude of reasons & some don't have equipment. . and yet there are countries all over the world where children are not guaranteed an education , where maybe one lid from the village if lucky gets sent off to school ... so international human right might be a classification you just made up there also we haven’t removed uk rights to education, the method of delivery has been temporarily altered during a time of crisis I think education should be a right, but the idea that it must go on no matter what crisis is going on is absurd on its face. it should be and its incredibly sad that there are countries where kids don’t get an education but it was happening pre covid so to say its currently an international human right was just not true our “human rights” as people want to refer to anything they think is essential still have to fall within a hierarchy preservation of life has to be at the top of that hierarchy or you wont be here to experience any of the others Agreed. Preservation of life comes before anything else. Other rights we mitigate as best we can in a health crisis. unfortunetly no it doesn't, we are part of nature and part of that process is to die, the folk dying are largely over the age of life expectancy (minus a few anomilies or frontline(which is obvious)). They would die of something covid or otherwise and we are not gods to decide over nature or to make humans or any species immortal. you say preservation of life but by that you mean human life right? not all the other species that we kill to get what we need or torture for our medical advances. you have to draw the line and it cannot be favouring one species over another for the sake of immortality. its not going to wipe out humanity. im not talking about the circle of life or suggesting immortality you’ve gone way past the scope of what i was talking about which is actual legal human rights and what people regularly perceive and claim on here to be their human rights (like when you said education) within that list there must be a hierarchy and without preservation of life at the top the others are not required as we dont need food, shelter, education etc for dead bodies You have a right TO live not a right to preserve it. you do have a right to seek medical attention, but that is not nor should it be guaranteed to preserve life because as i said its absurd as part of life it to die. and yes i get its big picture stuff, way beyond the individual which means i also fall under these rules as do we all." okay if you want to be pedantic take the word preserve out of my statement the right to live still is the highest in the priority list and higher than bettys right to go shopping shop, bobs right to a pint and bens right to socialise with his mates at a party and yes i know shopping , drinking and partying are not really human rights but its what half the folk on here would have you believe when they say the restrictions mean their human rights are being eroded | |||
" It is an absolute scandal what is happening, but, resistance is growing by the day as we are now seeing. They have taken our jobs, our homes, with multiple business closures, our social lives, our families, our friends, our right to medical care because Covid is prioritised. They try to fine us if we step out of line according to whatever new rules they’ve put in place that week and now they are taking your children’s education. Perhaps even more worryingly in the process they have taken your sanity, your mental health and your hope. People have been slowly conditioned into fearing a virus instead of our government. You cannot get away from it, in the shops tannoy systems repeatedly blare out the mantra to keep your distance, wear the mask, adverts on tv, on the radio. Now we have vaccines that we’re told don’t stop you from spreading it. People need to wake the fuck up and say enough is enough. While you're entitled to an opinion on the the way the gov has handled the situation. I'd suggest that the full tin foil hat idea that were all being controlled in some sort of 1984 style conspiracy is staggeringly naive. Since our politicians can't agree with each other, isn't it strange that all of the government's in the world agree that the pandemic exists, and broadly act the same way about it? Or is all news reporting fake and the rest of the world is carrying on normally while we're lied to in the UK? Doesn't it seem more likely that no one knows exactly how to 'win' in this situation and they're trying to appear confident to reduce panic? Surprisingly, we had laws, fines and announcements about public health before this, they just weren't front page news. China done it first rest copied in panic & are still going "oh s**t, what do we do? let's do what they are doing" One of the countries with the worst human rights abuses and most secretive in the world, but hey can build a hospital in 10 days, must be good right. They got everyone frightened and then looked...oh this is easy when everyone's locked up, can't see what we're doing & can't stop us, let's do it this way. Like Nicola closing a border that legally she can't & pushing again for independence despite all this..her mask is slipping though. Go watch any dystopian & listen to the 'government announcements' the little words like, 'we may', 'we're unable to predict' even 'new strains' the go watch the gov press releases...I swear the government has been taking their scripts from those films... it's shocking similar to now. Even things like trying to force folk with invisible disabilities to wear a lanyard or a badge so they don't get challenged, it's like the yellow stars in ww2 that some were made to wear (I'm not allowed to say it). It puts a viable symbol on that person who others will avoid through fear and ignorance ostrichizing the wearer from society. This alone could reverse a century of fighting for equality because it discriminate and marginalises.
Careful, don't draw comparisons between our increasingly totalitarian situation and those parts of history... Too many on here would happily have their own family carted off to prison or booted out of society if they decided not to have the vaccine.
They just accept that the virus should be allowed to crumble the very fabric of society and that the economy we rely on is rapidly becoming obsolete...
"Do you find yourself often making ridiculous exaggerations? | |||
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" It is an absolute scandal what is happening, but, resistance is growing by the day as we are now seeing. They have taken our jobs, our homes, with multiple business closures, our social lives, our families, our friends, our right to medical care because Covid is prioritised. They try to fine us if we step out of line according to whatever new rules they’ve put in place that week and now they are taking your children’s education. Perhaps even more worryingly in the process they have taken your sanity, your mental health and your hope. People have been slowly conditioned into fearing a virus instead of our government. You cannot get away from it, in the shops tannoy systems repeatedly blare out the mantra to keep your distance, wear the mask, adverts on tv, on the radio. Now we have vaccines that we’re told don’t stop you from spreading it. People need to wake the fuck up and say enough is enough. While you're entitled to an opinion on the the way the gov has handled the situation. I'd suggest that the full tin foil hat idea that were all being controlled in some sort of 1984 style conspiracy is staggeringly naive. Since our politicians can't agree with each other, isn't it strange that all of the government's in the world agree that the pandemic exists, and broadly act the same way about it? Or is all news reporting fake and the rest of the world is carrying on normally while we're lied to in the UK? Doesn't it seem more likely that no one knows exactly how to 'win' in this situation and they're trying to appear confident to reduce panic? Surprisingly, we had laws, fines and announcements about public health before this, they just weren't front page news. China done it first rest copied in panic & are still going "oh s**t, what do we do? let's do what they are doing" One of the countries with the worst human rights abuses and most secretive in the world, but hey can build a hospital in 10 days, must be good right. They got everyone frightened and then looked...oh this is easy when everyone's locked up, can't see what we're doing & can't stop us, let's do it this way. Like Nicola closing a border that legally she can't & pushing again for independence despite all this..her mask is slipping though. Go watch any dystopian & listen to the 'government announcements' the little words like, 'we may', 'we're unable to predict' even 'new strains' the go watch the gov press releases...I swear the government has been taking their scripts from those films... it's shocking similar to now. Even things like trying to force folk with invisible disabilities to wear a lanyard or a badge so they don't get challenged, it's like the yellow stars in ww2 that some were made to wear (I'm not allowed to say it). It puts a viable symbol on that person who others will avoid through fear and ignorance ostrichizing the wearer from society. This alone could reverse a century of fighting for equality because it discriminate and marginalises.
Careful, don't draw comparisons between our increasingly totalitarian situation and those parts of history... Too many on here would happily have their own family carted off to prison or booted out of society if they decided not to have the vaccine.
They just accept that the virus should be allowed to crumble the very fabric of society and that the economy we rely on is rapidly becoming obsolete...
"That thought frightens me, we cannot be reliant on vaccines in exchange for freedoms nor can we force people into them or marginalize them for it. I've ran big numbers and in terms of population % that are dying it's 0.14%, that is well within normal range and actually massively below it. but all the other figures aren't available til next year just covid ones, of course. the same if scotland passes this new hate bill which basically makes all materials in a private space deemed legal or not by the government as well as free speech within your home..most people have smart devices to make this achievable too. Currently the police her can walk right into your home under these new laws and once inside they do not and have never required a warrant to search if they "deem" it worthy of searching...they've came into several peoples homes up here already just to check who is all in your house...cos a curtain twitcher phoned them. That's not on. | |||
"This is the same with primary schools being closed it is an international human right to an education...not all parents are capable of being teachers for multitude of reasons & some don't have equipment. . and yet there are countries all over the world where children are not guaranteed an education , where maybe one lid from the village if lucky gets sent off to school ... so international human right might be a classification you just made up there also we haven’t removed uk rights to education, the method of delivery has been temporarily altered during a time of crisis I think education should be a right, but the idea that it must go on no matter what crisis is going on is absurd on its face. it should be and its incredibly sad that there are countries where kids don’t get an education but it was happening pre covid so to say its currently an international human right was just not true our “human rights” as people want to refer to anything they think is essential still have to fall within a hierarchy preservation of life has to be at the top of that hierarchy or you wont be here to experience any of the others Agreed. Preservation of life comes before anything else. Other rights we mitigate as best we can in a health crisis. unfortunetly no it doesn't, we are part of nature and part of that process is to die, the folk dying are largely over the age of life expectancy (minus a few anomilies or frontline(which is obvious)). They would die of something covid or otherwise and we are not gods to decide over nature or to make humans or any species immortal. you say preservation of life but by that you mean human life right? not all the other species that we kill to get what we need or torture for our medical advances. you have to draw the line and it cannot be favouring one species over another for the sake of immortality. its not going to wipe out humanity. im not talking about the circle of life or suggesting immortality you’ve gone way past the scope of what i was talking about which is actual legal human rights and what people regularly perceive and claim on here to be their human rights (like when you said education) within that list there must be a hierarchy and without preservation of life at the top the others are not required as we dont need food, shelter, education etc for dead bodies You have a right TO live not a right to preserve it. you do have a right to seek medical attention, but that is not nor should it be guaranteed to preserve life because as i said its absurd as part of life it to die. and yes i get its big picture stuff, way beyond the individual which means i also fall under these rules as do we all. okay if you want to be pedantic take the word preserve out of my statement the right to live still is the highest in the priority list and higher than bettys right to go shopping shop, bobs right to a pint and bens right to socialise with his mates at a party and yes i know shopping , drinking and partying are not really human rights but its what half the folk on here would have you believe when they say the restrictions mean their human rights are being eroded " socializing is very much a part of being a human actually it one of the bare basis of our psychology and a right to life also include the right to live not just exist, which locked up in a concrete box is all we are really doing. difference is i understand how viruses move...having lots of nephews and neices teaches you how you interact with others when you start trying to trace who had nits/chicken pox/nova etc first or with pets/farm animals. even before now if you were sick you were supposed to stay at home (businesses made that near impossible for many though), not go near granny or any one who was vulnerable, it was what we were taught. if you went to a big event and someone happened to have something most took it home, same with planes & A/C units that don't get maintained and cleaned as they should be. what I'm saying is this has always been the case. The NHS is screwed because of multi things, cuts, less beds per ward, less staff (brexit helped there), its not fit for the size of the population and it has built up a reputation for being able to defy death so now many believe death is a unnatural thing, its just as natural as being born. and because it got so good at defying death it forgot that as nature does it evolves and allows things like viruses to change or adapt its host environment and as result of forgetting we have absolutly no provisions for any kind of quarintine hospital which would be needed if this virus was killing huge sways in terms of %. I work off percentage's because they don't host the fear factor of the grandiose scale like numbers do. if i write 65,000 or 65k or 65% they all sit differently in the mind. same if i told you that the survival rate for covid is 90 something % (which it is just cant mind the exact figure just now) its not scary right, therefore how are you going to control a nation without frightening them and what are they frightened of these days ...death. the loss of religion/spirituality has a part to blame within that fear too. | |||
" It is an absolute scandal what is happening, but, resistance is growing by the day as we are now seeing. They have taken our jobs, our homes, with multiple business closures, our social lives, our families, our friends, our right to medical care because Covid is prioritised. They try to fine us if we step out of line according to whatever new rules they’ve put in place that week and now they are taking your children’s education. Perhaps even more worryingly in the process they have taken your sanity, your mental health and your hope. People have been slowly conditioned into fearing a virus instead of our government. You cannot get away from it, in the shops tannoy systems repeatedly blare out the mantra to keep your distance, wear the mask, adverts on tv, on the radio. Now we have vaccines that we’re told don’t stop you from spreading it. People need to wake the fuck up and say enough is enough. While you're entitled to an opinion on the the way the gov has handled the situation. I'd suggest that the full tin foil hat idea that were all being controlled in some sort of 1984 style conspiracy is staggeringly naive. Since our politicians can't agree with each other, isn't it strange that all of the government's in the world agree that the pandemic exists, and broadly act the same way about it? Or is all news reporting fake and the rest of the world is carrying on normally while we're lied to in the UK? Doesn't it seem more likely that no one knows exactly how to 'win' in this situation and they're trying to appear confident to reduce panic? Surprisingly, we had laws, fines and announcements about public health before this, they just weren't front page news. China done it first rest copied in panic & are still going "oh s**t, what do we do? let's do what they are doing" One of the countries with the worst human rights abuses and most secretive in the world, but hey can build a hospital in 10 days, must be good right. They got everyone frightened and then looked...oh this is easy when everyone's locked up, can't see what we're doing & can't stop us, let's do it this way. Like Nicola closing a border that legally she can't & pushing again for independence despite all this..her mask is slipping though. Go watch any dystopian & listen to the 'government announcements' the little words like, 'we may', 'we're unable to predict' even 'new strains' the go watch the gov press releases...I swear the government has been taking their scripts from those films... it's shocking similar to now. Even things like trying to force folk with invisible disabilities to wear a lanyard or a badge so they don't get challenged, it's like the yellow stars in ww2 that some were made to wear (I'm not allowed to say it). It puts a viable symbol on that person who others will avoid through fear and ignorance ostrichizing the wearer from society. This alone could reverse a century of fighting for equality because it discriminate and marginalises.
Careful, don't draw comparisons between our increasingly totalitarian situation and those parts of history... Too many on here would happily have their own family carted off to prison or booted out of society if they decided not to have the vaccine.
They just accept that the virus should be allowed to crumble the very fabric of society and that the economy we rely on is rapidly becoming obsolete...
Do you find yourself often making ridiculous exaggerations?"Point out the exaggeration! Tell me smart guy, the unemployment in this country is sky rocketing due to failing and closed businesses, and every week it is getting worse, so when things reopen, are people just going to step back into jobs? No. Why? Because the jobs aren't fucking there right now, never mind in however long it takes things to be unrestricted. Compound the impact of covid on business with the impact of brexit and there's a huge problem. So, lots of benefit claims for the foreseeable then. Millions of people reliant on the government to stay housed and fed. They have to ask the bank to create the money out of thin air because business isn't creating enough, and what does that cause? Inflation, hyperinflation and economic collapse... Already happened in very recent history. And as for my other point about people being ready to grass up their own family, that's not an exaggeration, only need to look through these threads and you'll spot them. | |||
" It is an absolute scandal what is happening, but, resistance is growing by the day as we are now seeing. They have taken our jobs, our homes, with multiple business closures, our social lives, our families, our friends, our right to medical care because Covid is prioritised. They try to fine us if we step out of line according to whatever new rules they’ve put in place that week and now they are taking your children’s education. Perhaps even more worryingly in the process they have taken your sanity, your mental health and your hope. People have been slowly conditioned into fearing a virus instead of our government. You cannot get away from it, in the shops tannoy systems repeatedly blare out the mantra to keep your distance, wear the mask, adverts on tv, on the radio. Now we have vaccines that we’re told don’t stop you from spreading it. People need to wake the fuck up and say enough is enough. While you're entitled to an opinion on the the way the gov has handled the situation. I'd suggest that the full tin foil hat idea that were all being controlled in some sort of 1984 style conspiracy is staggeringly naive. Since our politicians can't agree with each other, isn't it strange that all of the government's in the world agree that the pandemic exists, and broadly act the same way about it? Or is all news reporting fake and the rest of the world is carrying on normally while we're lied to in the UK? Doesn't it seem more likely that no one knows exactly how to 'win' in this situation and they're trying to appear confident to reduce panic? Surprisingly, we had laws, fines and announcements about public health before this, they just weren't front page news. China done it first rest copied in panic & are still going "oh s**t, what do we do? let's do what they are doing" One of the countries with the worst human rights abuses and most secretive in the world, but hey can build a hospital in 10 days, must be good right. They got everyone frightened and then looked...oh this is easy when everyone's locked up, can't see what we're doing & can't stop us, let's do it this way. Like Nicola closing a border that legally she can't & pushing again for independence despite all this..her mask is slipping though. Go watch any dystopian & listen to the 'government announcements' the little words like, 'we may', 'we're unable to predict' even 'new strains' the go watch the gov press releases...I swear the government has been taking their scripts from those films... it's shocking similar to now. Even things like trying to force folk with invisible disabilities to wear a lanyard or a badge so they don't get challenged, it's like the yellow stars in ww2 that some were made to wear (I'm not allowed to say it). It puts a viable symbol on that person who others will avoid through fear and ignorance ostrichizing the wearer from society. This alone could reverse a century of fighting for equality because it discriminate and marginalises.
Careful, don't draw comparisons between our increasingly totalitarian situation and those parts of history... Too many on here would happily have their own family carted off to prison or booted out of society if they decided not to have the vaccine.
They just accept that the virus should be allowed to crumble the very fabric of society and that the economy we rely on is rapidly becoming obsolete...
That thought frightens me, we cannot be reliant on vaccines in exchange for freedoms nor can we force people into them or marginalize them for it.
I've ran big numbers and in terms of population % that are dying it's 0.14%, that is well within normal range and actually massively below it. but all the other figures aren't available til next year just covid ones, of course.
the same if scotland passes this new hate bill which basically makes all materials in a private space deemed legal or not by the government as well as free speech within your home..most people have smart devices to make this achievable too.
Currently the police her can walk right into your home under these new laws and once inside they do not and have never required a warrant to search if they "deem" it worthy of searching...they've came into several peoples homes up here already just to check who is all in your house...cos a curtain twitcher phoned them.
That's not on. "Exactly, but to the nodding heads, it's all exaggeration. They just like to be good little subjects and keep nodding and agreeing, no matter what the cost to the future prosperity of the country, no matter how many hoops they need to jump through... | |||
" It is an absolute scandal what is happening, but, resistance is growing by the day as we are now seeing. They have taken our jobs, our homes, with multiple business closures, our social lives, our families, our friends, our right to medical care because Covid is prioritised. They try to fine us if we step out of line according to whatever new rules they’ve put in place that week and now they are taking your children’s education. Perhaps even more worryingly in the process they have taken your sanity, your mental health and your hope. People have been slowly conditioned into fearing a virus instead of our government. You cannot get away from it, in the shops tannoy systems repeatedly blare out the mantra to keep your distance, wear the mask, adverts on tv, on the radio. Now we have vaccines that we’re told don’t stop you from spreading it. People need to wake the fuck up and say enough is enough. While you're entitled to an opinion on the the way the gov has handled the situation. I'd suggest that the full tin foil hat idea that were all being controlled in some sort of 1984 style conspiracy is staggeringly naive. Since our politicians can't agree with each other, isn't it strange that all of the government's in the world agree that the pandemic exists, and broadly act the same way about it? Or is all news reporting fake and the rest of the world is carrying on normally while we're lied to in the UK? Doesn't it seem more likely that no one knows exactly how to 'win' in this situation and they're trying to appear confident to reduce panic? Surprisingly, we had laws, fines and announcements about public health before this, they just weren't front page news. China done it first rest copied in panic & are still going "oh s**t, what do we do? let's do what they are doing" One of the countries with the worst human rights abuses and most secretive in the world, but hey can build a hospital in 10 days, must be good right. They got everyone frightened and then looked...oh this is easy when everyone's locked up, can't see what we're doing & can't stop us, let's do it this way. Like Nicola closing a border that legally she can't & pushing again for independence despite all this..her mask is slipping though. Go watch any dystopian & listen to the 'government announcements' the little words like, 'we may', 'we're unable to predict' even 'new strains' the go watch the gov press releases...I swear the government has been taking their scripts from those films... it's shocking similar to now. Even things like trying to force folk with invisible disabilities to wear a lanyard or a badge so they don't get challenged, it's like the yellow stars in ww2 that some were made to wear (I'm not allowed to say it). It puts a viable symbol on that person who others will avoid through fear and ignorance ostrichizing the wearer from society. This alone could reverse a century of fighting for equality because it discriminate and marginalises.
Careful, don't draw comparisons between our increasingly totalitarian situation and those parts of history... Too many on here would happily have their own family carted off to prison or booted out of society if they decided not to have the vaccine.
They just accept that the virus should be allowed to crumble the very fabric of society and that the economy we rely on is rapidly becoming obsolete...
Do you find yourself often making ridiculous exaggerations?
Point out the exaggeration!
Tell me smart guy, the unemployment in this country is sky rocketing due to failing and closed businesses, and every week it is getting worse, so when things reopen, are people just going to step back into jobs? No. Why? Because the jobs aren't fucking there right now, never mind in however long it takes things to be unrestricted. Compound the impact of covid on business with the impact of brexit and there's a huge problem. So, lots of benefit claims for the foreseeable then. Millions of people reliant on the government to stay housed and fed. They have to ask the bank to create the money out of thin air because business isn't creating enough, and what does that cause? Inflation, hyperinflation and economic collapse... Already happened in very recent history.
And as for my other point about people being ready to grass up their own family, that's not an exaggeration, only need to look through these threads and you'll spot them.
"You said people would see their own family carted off to prison.. where has anyone said anything even resembling that.? | |||
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" It is an absolute scandal what is happening, but, resistance is growing by the day as we are now seeing. They have taken our jobs, our homes, with multiple business closures, our social lives, our families, our friends, our right to medical care because Covid is prioritised. They try to fine us if we step out of line according to whatever new rules they’ve put in place that week and now they are taking your children’s education. Perhaps even more worryingly in the process they have taken your sanity, your mental health and your hope. People have been slowly conditioned into fearing a virus instead of our government. You cannot get away from it, in the shops tannoy systems repeatedly blare out the mantra to keep your distance, wear the mask, adverts on tv, on the radio. Now we have vaccines that we’re told don’t stop you from spreading it. People need to wake the fuck up and say enough is enough. While you're entitled to an opinion on the the way the gov has handled the situation. I'd suggest that the full tin foil hat idea that were all being controlled in some sort of 1984 style conspiracy is staggeringly naive. Since our politicians can't agree with each other, isn't it strange that all of the government's in the world agree that the pandemic exists, and broadly act the same way about it? Or is all news reporting fake and the rest of the world is carrying on normally while we're lied to in the UK? Doesn't it seem more likely that no one knows exactly how to 'win' in this situation and they're trying to appear confident to reduce panic? Surprisingly, we had laws, fines and announcements about public health before this, they just weren't front page news. China done it first rest copied in panic & are still going "oh s**t, what do we do? let's do what they are doing" One of the countries with the worst human rights abuses and most secretive in the world, but hey can build a hospital in 10 days, must be good right. They got everyone frightened and then looked...oh this is easy when everyone's locked up, can't see what we're doing & can't stop us, let's do it this way. Like Nicola closing a border that legally she can't & pushing again for independence despite all this..her mask is slipping though. Go watch any dystopian & listen to the 'government announcements' the little words like, 'we may', 'we're unable to predict' even 'new strains' the go watch the gov press releases...I swear the government has been taking their scripts from those films... it's shocking similar to now. Even things like trying to force folk with invisible disabilities to wear a lanyard or a badge so they don't get challenged, it's like the yellow stars in ww2 that some were made to wear (I'm not allowed to say it). It puts a viable symbol on that person who others will avoid through fear and ignorance ostrichizing the wearer from society. This alone could reverse a century of fighting for equality because it discriminate and marginalises.
Careful, don't draw comparisons between our increasingly totalitarian situation and those parts of history... Too many on here would happily have their own family carted off to prison or booted out of society if they decided not to have the vaccine.
They just accept that the virus should be allowed to crumble the very fabric of society and that the economy we rely on is rapidly becoming obsolete...
Do you find yourself often making ridiculous exaggerations?
Point out the exaggeration!
Tell me smart guy, the unemployment in this country is sky rocketing due to failing and closed businesses, and every week it is getting worse, so when things reopen, are people just going to step back into jobs? No. Why? Because the jobs aren't fucking there right now, never mind in however long it takes things to be unrestricted. Compound the impact of covid on business with the impact of brexit and there's a huge problem. So, lots of benefit claims for the foreseeable then. Millions of people reliant on the government to stay housed and fed. They have to ask the bank to create the money out of thin air because business isn't creating enough, and what does that cause? Inflation, hyperinflation and economic collapse... Already happened in very recent history.
And as for my other point about people being ready to grass up their own family, that's not an exaggeration, only need to look through these threads and you'll spot them.
You said people would see their own family carted off to prison.. where has anyone said anything even resembling that.?"There are people all over these threads that give off the impression that they would do that if they'd refused the vaccine. There have been many many more people on here who have stated that they no longer talk to their own family because they don't see eye to eye on covid and the lockdowns. Just to clarify, I'm not on either side of the fence, I just want it all over and done with, I would happily take the vaccine, I don't care about the supposed risks, I'm a smoker, I kill myself a little more each day lol, and I'm not too fussed about the lockdowns, I can work from home, without much more than my phone, but, I can see why people are so mistrusting of the lockdowns, covid figures, the vaccine and all the other bits they question. It is never a good idea to just blindly follow people with power, and an even worse idea to just follow simply because it is what is now deemed socially acceptable. | |||
"And as for the brexit thing.. the gmnt could have easily put that on hold for a year.but .they blindly blundered on with ,knowing full well the precarious position we were in. If things turn out even as half bad as you say..they need to take a chunk of the responsibility. " Yeah, they could have. But, they're struggling to get people to listen as it is under the threat of a virus, if they'd have delayed brexit there'd have been absolute carnage and riots. | |||
" It is an absolute scandal what is happening, but, resistance is growing by the day as we are now seeing. They have taken our jobs, our homes, with multiple business closures, our social lives, our families, our friends, our right to medical care because Covid is prioritised. They try to fine us if we step out of line according to whatever new rules they’ve put in place that week and now they are taking your children’s education. Perhaps even more worryingly in the process they have taken your sanity, your mental health and your hope. People have been slowly conditioned into fearing a virus instead of our government. You cannot get away from it, in the shops tannoy systems repeatedly blare out the mantra to keep your distance, wear the mask, adverts on tv, on the radio. Now we have vaccines that we’re told don’t stop you from spreading it. People need to wake the fuck up and say enough is enough. While you're entitled to an opinion on the the way the gov has handled the situation. I'd suggest that the full tin foil hat idea that were all being controlled in some sort of 1984 style conspiracy is staggeringly naive. Since our politicians can't agree with each other, isn't it strange that all of the government's in the world agree that the pandemic exists, and broadly act the same way about it? Or is all news reporting fake and the rest of the world is carrying on normally while we're lied to in the UK? Doesn't it seem more likely that no one knows exactly how to 'win' in this situation and they're trying to appear confident to reduce panic? Surprisingly, we had laws, fines and announcements about public health before this, they just weren't front page news. China done it first rest copied in panic & are still going "oh s**t, what do we do? let's do what they are doing" One of the countries with the worst human rights abuses and most secretive in the world, but hey can build a hospital in 10 days, must be good right. They got everyone frightened and then looked...oh this is easy when everyone's locked up, can't see what we're doing & can't stop us, let's do it this way. Like Nicola closing a border that legally she can't & pushing again for independence despite all this..her mask is slipping though. Go watch any dystopian & listen to the 'government announcements' the little words like, 'we may', 'we're unable to predict' even 'new strains' the go watch the gov press releases...I swear the government has been taking their scripts from those films... it's shocking similar to now. Even things like trying to force folk with invisible disabilities to wear a lanyard or a badge so they don't get challenged, it's like the yellow stars in ww2 that some were made to wear (I'm not allowed to say it). It puts a viable symbol on that person who others will avoid through fear and ignorance ostrichizing the wearer from society. This alone could reverse a century of fighting for equality because it discriminate and marginalises.
Careful, don't draw comparisons between our increasingly totalitarian situation and those parts of history... Too many on here would happily have their own family carted off to prison or booted out of society if they decided not to have the vaccine.
They just accept that the virus should be allowed to crumble the very fabric of society and that the economy we rely on is rapidly becoming obsolete...
Do you find yourself often making ridiculous exaggerations?
Point out the exaggeration!
Tell me smart guy, the unemployment in this country is sky rocketing due to failing and closed businesses, and every week it is getting worse, so when things reopen, are people just going to step back into jobs? No. Why? Because the jobs aren't fucking there right now, never mind in however long it takes things to be unrestricted. Compound the impact of covid on business with the impact of brexit and there's a huge problem. So, lots of benefit claims for the foreseeable then. Millions of people reliant on the government to stay housed and fed. They have to ask the bank to create the money out of thin air because business isn't creating enough, and what does that cause? Inflation, hyperinflation and economic collapse... Already happened in very recent history.
And as for my other point about people being ready to grass up their own family, that's not an exaggeration, only need to look through these threads and you'll spot them.
You said people would see their own family carted off to prison.. where has anyone said anything even resembling that.?
There are people all over these threads that give off the impression that they would do that if they'd refused the vaccine. There have been many many more people on here who have stated that they no longer talk to their own family because they don't see eye to eye on covid and the lockdowns.
Just to clarify, I'm not on either side of the fence, I just want it all over and done with, I would happily take the vaccine, I don't care about the supposed risks, I'm a smoker, I kill myself a little more each day lol, and I'm not too fussed about the lockdowns, I can work from home, without much more than my phone, but, I can see why people are so mistrusting of the lockdowns, covid figures, the vaccine and all the other bits they question. It is never a good idea to just blindly follow people with power, and an even worse idea to just follow simply because it is what is now deemed socially acceptable. "why is the assumption that the only folk who have questioned anything are people who deny covid and break the rules and if you respect and abide by them you did it blindly? there are plenty people across the board on here that you can tell a mile off from their posts they have educated themselves (and keeping up to date with new information) before they have come to their opinion have a look at the bottom half of the yay or nay post and tell me which side most of those fall on (most recent reasons for non vaccination being eh just cause and nostradamus) | |||
" It is an absolute scandal what is happening, but, resistance is growing by the day as we are now seeing. They have taken our jobs, our homes, with multiple business closures, our social lives, our families, our friends, our right to medical care because Covid is prioritised. They try to fine us if we step out of line according to whatever new rules they’ve put in place that week and now they are taking your children’s education. Perhaps even more worryingly in the process they have taken your sanity, your mental health and your hope. People have been slowly conditioned into fearing a virus instead of our government. You cannot get away from it, in the shops tannoy systems repeatedly blare out the mantra to keep your distance, wear the mask, adverts on tv, on the radio. Now we have vaccines that we’re told don’t stop you from spreading it. People need to wake the fuck up and say enough is enough. While you're entitled to an opinion on the the way the gov has handled the situation. I'd suggest that the full tin foil hat idea that were all being controlled in some sort of 1984 style conspiracy is staggeringly naive. Since our politicians can't agree with each other, isn't it strange that all of the government's in the world agree that the pandemic exists, and broadly act the same way about it? Or is all news reporting fake and the rest of the world is carrying on normally while we're lied to in the UK? Doesn't it seem more likely that no one knows exactly how to 'win' in this situation and they're trying to appear confident to reduce panic? Surprisingly, we had laws, fines and announcements about public health before this, they just weren't front page news. China done it first rest copied in panic & are still going "oh s**t, what do we do? let's do what they are doing" One of the countries with the worst human rights abuses and most secretive in the world, but hey can build a hospital in 10 days, must be good right. They got everyone frightened and then looked...oh this is easy when everyone's locked up, can't see what we're doing & can't stop us, let's do it this way. Like Nicola closing a border that legally she can't & pushing again for independence despite all this..her mask is slipping though. Go watch any dystopian & listen to the 'government announcements' the little words like, 'we may', 'we're unable to predict' even 'new strains' the go watch the gov press releases...I swear the government has been taking their scripts from those films... it's shocking similar to now. Even things like trying to force folk with invisible disabilities to wear a lanyard or a badge so they don't get challenged, it's like the yellow stars in ww2 that some were made to wear (I'm not allowed to say it). It puts a viable symbol on that person who others will avoid through fear and ignorance ostrichizing the wearer from society. This alone could reverse a century of fighting for equality because it discriminate and marginalises.
Careful, don't draw comparisons between our increasingly totalitarian situation and those parts of history... Too many on here would happily have their own family carted off to prison or booted out of society if they decided not to have the vaccine.
They just accept that the virus should be allowed to crumble the very fabric of society and that the economy we rely on is rapidly becoming obsolete...
Do you find yourself often making ridiculous exaggerations?
Point out the exaggeration!
Tell me smart guy, the unemployment in this country is sky rocketing due to failing and closed businesses, and every week it is getting worse, so when things reopen, are people just going to step back into jobs? No. Why? Because the jobs aren't fucking there right now, never mind in however long it takes things to be unrestricted. Compound the impact of covid on business with the impact of brexit and there's a huge problem. So, lots of benefit claims for the foreseeable then. Millions of people reliant on the government to stay housed and fed. They have to ask the bank to create the money out of thin air because business isn't creating enough, and what does that cause? Inflation, hyperinflation and economic collapse... Already happened in very recent history.
And as for my other point about people being ready to grass up their own family, that's not an exaggeration, only need to look through these threads and you'll spot them.
You said people would see their own family carted off to prison.. where has anyone said anything even resembling that.?
There are people all over these threads that give off the impression that they would do that if they'd refused the vaccine. There have been many many more people on here who have stated that they no longer talk to their own family because they don't see eye to eye on covid and the lockdowns.
Just to clarify, I'm not on either side of the fence, I just want it all over and done with, I would happily take the vaccine, I don't care about the supposed risks, I'm a smoker, I kill myself a little more each day lol, and I'm not too fussed about the lockdowns, I can work from home, without much more than my phone, but, I can see why people are so mistrusting of the lockdowns, covid figures, the vaccine and all the other bits they question. It is never a good idea to just blindly follow people with power, and an even worse idea to just follow simply because it is what is now deemed socially acceptable.
why is the assumption that the only folk who have questioned anything are people who deny covid and break the rules and if you respect and abide by them you did it blindly?
there are plenty people across the board on here that you can tell a mile off from their posts they have educated themselves (and keeping up to date with new information) before they have come to their opinion
have a look at the bottom half of the yay or nay post and tell me which side most of those fall on (most recent reasons for non vaccination being eh just cause and nostradamus) "I guess the same as the assumption the other way around, that people who question and disagree with it all are labelled as selfish, idiots and conspiracy theorists etc. It's a divisive subject, seems everything is these days, and as usual there's a split down the middle and the two sides just squawk insults at each other. | |||
"If anyone wants to continue Someone mentioned that lockdown has resulted in poverty, mental health issues and hunger. Did we not have those issues pre covid.?" What did people die from before Covid-19? | |||
" It is an absolute scandal what is happening, but, resistance is growing by the day as we are now seeing. They have taken our jobs, our homes, with multiple business closures, our social lives, our families, our friends, our right to medical care because Covid is prioritised. They try to fine us if we step out of line according to whatever new rules they’ve put in place that week and now they are taking your children’s education. Perhaps even more worryingly in the process they have taken your sanity, your mental health and your hope. People have been slowly conditioned into fearing a virus instead of our government. You cannot get away from it, in the shops tannoy systems repeatedly blare out the mantra to keep your distance, wear the mask, adverts on tv, on the radio. Now we have vaccines that we’re told don’t stop you from spreading it. People need to wake the fuck up and say enough is enough. " 
This post is spot on. Little restrictions creeping in all the time. Hoping we don't notice. The conspiracy theorists say a dumbing down of schoolchildren will take place. Now in the second year of school disruptions. No doubt with a third year to follow. Spotify is carrying government propaganda adverts every ten minutes. No advice on how to stay healthy. Eat vitamins, fruit, healthy food, exercise. Get as much fresh air and sunlight as possible. Just a projection of fear, doom and gloom. We are heading for a generation of uneducated children. Our shackles must be broken. | |||
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" It is an absolute scandal what is happening, but, resistance is growing by the day as we are now seeing. They have taken our jobs, our homes, with multiple business closures, our social lives, our families, our friends, our right to medical care because Covid is prioritised. They try to fine us if we step out of line according to whatever new rules they’ve put in place that week and now they are taking your children’s education. Perhaps even more worryingly in the process they have taken your sanity, your mental health and your hope. People have been slowly conditioned into fearing a virus instead of our government. You cannot get away from it, in the shops tannoy systems repeatedly blare out the mantra to keep your distance, wear the mask, adverts on tv, on the radio. Now we have vaccines that we’re told don’t stop you from spreading it. People need to wake the fuck up and say enough is enough.
This post is spot on. Little restrictions creeping in all the time. Hoping we don't notice. The conspiracy theorists say a dumbing down of schoolchildren will take place. Now in the second year of school disruptions. No doubt with a third year to follow. Spotify is carrying government propaganda adverts every ten minutes. No advice on how to stay healthy. Eat vitamins, fruit, healthy food, exercise. Get as much fresh air and sunlight as possible. Just a projection of fear, doom and gloom. We are heading for a generation of uneducated children. Our shackles must be broken. "In a little over 3 years ,in fact Thursday 2nd May 2024 regardless of whether this pandemic is over or not the fixed term parliament act says there has to be a general election on that date and then all have the chance to kick this shite shower of a Government out, so no democracy is not dead and buried. Count yourself lucky your not living in Egypt which has had 10 years of military rule with no sight of an election on the horizon and is only now starting to roll out vaccination against Covid. | |||
" It is an absolute scandal what is happening, but, resistance is growing by the day as we are now seeing. They have taken our jobs, our homes, with multiple business closures, our social lives, our families, our friends, our right to medical care because Covid is prioritised. They try to fine us if we step out of line according to whatever new rules they’ve put in place that week and now they are taking your children’s education. Perhaps even more worryingly in the process they have taken your sanity, your mental health and your hope. People have been slowly conditioned into fearing a virus instead of our government. You cannot get away from it, in the shops tannoy systems repeatedly blare out the mantra to keep your distance, wear the mask, adverts on tv, on the radio. Now we have vaccines that we’re told don’t stop you from spreading it. People need to wake the fuck up and say enough is enough. " Such wise words | |||
" It is an absolute scandal what is happening, but, resistance is growing by the day as we are now seeing. They have taken our jobs, our homes, with multiple business closures, our social lives, our families, our friends, our right to medical care because Covid is prioritised. They try to fine us if we step out of line according to whatever new rules they’ve put in place that week and now they are taking your children’s education. Perhaps even more worryingly in the process they have taken your sanity, your mental health and your hope. People have been slowly conditioned into fearing a virus instead of our government. You cannot get away from it, in the shops tannoy systems repeatedly blare out the mantra to keep your distance, wear the mask, adverts on tv, on the radio. Now we have vaccines that we’re told don’t stop you from spreading it. People need to wake the fuck up and say enough is enough. " very strange way of looking at life....your logic could only be justified if it was the govt themselves that had created the virus, as much as i despise tories to be fair boris didnt create covid....sometimes shit happens in life, war, famine, natural disasters, the upcoming enviromental collapse. whats the alternative? sacrifice all the old folk that fought for you to even have this opinion, just so you can get laid and make more money to buy more things that you dont need? you sir....need to grow up, stop whining like a pussy and be a real man about it. You are in denial son...like a child who had his toys taken away | |||
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"never seen so many dossers and scroungers suddenly become so massively concerned about the economy. get over yourselves, your shadows are blatantly obvious...you are just sexually frustrated and want to get laid. have a wank or something " | |||
"And as for the brexit thing.. the gmnt could have easily put that on hold for a year.but .they blindly blundered on with ,knowing full well the precarious position we were in. If things turn out even as half bad as you say..they need to take a chunk of the responsibility. Yeah, they could have. But, they're struggling to get people to listen as it is under the threat of a virus, if they'd have delayed brexit there'd have been absolute carnage and riots. " I doubt that very much , Not with everything going on. It was utterly insane to push on with that whilst we are in the middle of a pandemic | |||
"I think Peter Hitchens brings up some valid questions. Given what damage to the country's economy the government's decisions have done, it's only right that voices of opposition are heard. The government needs to be able to answer the sort of questions that Hitchens is bringing up. I think he is genuine in his critique and he is very ready to back up his opinions but I don't think he is right about everything. I don't think he is being sensationalist. I have seen a few interviews with him about Covid and is not saying anybody should disobey government guidelines. Much as I dislike his newspaper, I don't think he is being irresponsible. I also don't buy the argument that the government is doing what it's doing so it can control us. That's a bit of conspiracy theory as far as I can see. Luke Why didnt he bring it up when they savaged communities with austerity?" I don't know whether he did or not. That's a different issue. I don't know what his views are or were about austerity and whether he voiced them or not. | |||
"I think Peter Hitchens brings up some valid questions. Given what damage to the country's economy the government's decisions have done, it's only right that voices of opposition are heard. The government needs to be able to answer the sort of questions that Hitchens is bringing up. I think he is genuine in his critique and he is very ready to back up his opinions but I don't think he is right about everything. I don't think he is being sensationalist. I have seen a few interviews with him about Covid and is not saying anybody should disobey government guidelines. Much as I dislike his newspaper, I don't think he is being irresponsible. I also don't buy the argument that the government is doing what it's doing so it can control us. That's a bit of conspiracy theory as far as I can see. Luke Why didnt he bring it up when they savaged communities with austerity? I don't know whether he did or not. That's a different issue. I don't know what his views are or were about austerity and whether he voiced them or not. " He didnt Which makes you wonder why he is so arsed about peoples jobs now | |||
"If anyone wants to continue Someone mentioned that lockdown has resulted in poverty, mental health issues and hunger. Did we not have those issues pre covid.? Funny how you are not prepared to read a scientific, peer reviewed and published study that disagrees with what you are saying. Its the same story.. 'provide evidence of your claims'... I (or others provide said evidence).. ignored/don't want to read it. Same with the studies on HCQ (one even published by Fauci), same with the mask studies (some even commissioned by the WHO). COVID is not a pandemic. it is a CASEdemic... there is actual science behind my claim, not just opinion." Do you even know what a casedemic is? I suspect not or you wouldn't be posting such twaddle. If it were a casedemic, there wouldn't be an increase in hospitalisations and deaths. There clearly is so it is pandemic....that's the science. | |||
" It is an absolute scandal what is happening, but, resistance is growing by the day as we are now seeing. They have taken our jobs, our homes, with multiple business closures, our social lives, our families, our friends, our right to medical care because Covid is prioritised. They try to fine us if we step out of line according to whatever new rules they’ve put in place that week and now they are taking your children’s education. Perhaps even more worryingly in the process they have taken your sanity, your mental health and your hope. People have been slowly conditioned into fearing a virus instead of our government. You cannot get away from it, in the shops tannoy systems repeatedly blare out the mantra to keep your distance, wear the mask, adverts on tv, on the radio. Now we have vaccines that we’re told don’t stop you from spreading it. People need to wake the fuck up and say enough is enough. While you're entitled to an opinion on the the way the gov has handled the situation. I'd suggest that the full tin foil hat idea that were all being controlled in some sort of 1984 style conspiracy is staggeringly naive. Since our politicians can't agree with each other, isn't it strange that all of the government's in the world agree that the pandemic exists, and broadly act the same way about it? Or is all news reporting fake and the rest of the world is carrying on normally while we're lied to in the UK? Doesn't it seem more likely that no one knows exactly how to 'win' in this situation and they're trying to appear confident to reduce panic? Surprisingly, we had laws, fines and announcements about public health before this, they just weren't front page news. China done it first rest copied in panic & are still going "oh s**t, what do we do? let's do what they are doing" One of the countries with the worst human rights abuses and most secretive in the world, but hey can build a hospital in 10 days, must be good right. They got everyone frightened and then looked...oh this is easy when everyone's locked up, can't see what we're doing & can't stop us, let's do it this way. Like Nicola closing a border that legally she can't & pushing again for independence despite all this..her mask is slipping though. Go watch any dystopian & listen to the 'government announcements' the little words like, 'we may', 'we're unable to predict' even 'new strains' the go watch the gov press releases...I swear the government has been taking their scripts from those films... it's shocking similar to now. Even things like trying to force folk with invisible disabilities to wear a lanyard or a badge so they don't get challenged, it's like the yellow stars in ww2 that some were made to wear (I'm not allowed to say it). It puts a viable symbol on that person who others will avoid through fear and ignorance ostrichizing the wearer from society. This alone could reverse a century of fighting for equality because it discriminate and marginalises.
Who is trying to force folk to wear lanyards?
You have to wear one if you are medically exempt. Some businesses and shops won't allow you to enter if you don't have one and aren't wearing a face covering.
Those businesses and shops are breaking the Equality Act 2010 and liable for prosecution and fines. The employee denying entry is also personally liable.
"You seem to know as much about the law as you do about science. There is no breach of the Equality Act going on in the scenario that you outline | |||
" It is an absolute scandal what is happening, but, resistance is growing by the day as we are now seeing. They have taken our jobs, our homes, with multiple business closures, our social lives, our families, our friends, our right to medical care because Covid is prioritised. They try to fine us if we step out of line according to whatever new rules they’ve put in place that week and now they are taking your children’s education. Perhaps even more worryingly in the process they have taken your sanity, your mental health and your hope. People have been slowly conditioned into fearing a virus instead of our government. You cannot get away from it, in the shops tannoy systems repeatedly blare out the mantra to keep your distance, wear the mask, adverts on tv, on the radio. Now we have vaccines that we’re told don’t stop you from spreading it. People need to wake the fuck up and say enough is enough. While you're entitled to an opinion on the the way the gov has handled the situation. I'd suggest that the full tin foil hat idea that were all being controlled in some sort of 1984 style conspiracy is staggeringly naive. Since our politicians can't agree with each other, isn't it strange that all of the government's in the world agree that the pandemic exists, and broadly act the same way about it? Or is all news reporting fake and the rest of the world is carrying on normally while we're lied to in the UK? Doesn't it seem more likely that no one knows exactly how to 'win' in this situation and they're trying to appear confident to reduce panic? Surprisingly, we had laws, fines and announcements about public health before this, they just weren't front page news. China done it first rest copied in panic & are still going "oh s**t, what do we do? let's do what they are doing" One of the countries with the worst human rights abuses and most secretive in the world, but hey can build a hospital in 10 days, must be good right. They got everyone frightened and then looked...oh this is easy when everyone's locked up, can't see what we're doing & can't stop us, let's do it this way. Like Nicola closing a border that legally she can't & pushing again for independence despite all this..her mask is slipping though. Go watch any dystopian & listen to the 'government announcements' the little words like, 'we may', 'we're unable to predict' even 'new strains' the go watch the gov press releases...I swear the government has been taking their scripts from those films... it's shocking similar to now. Even things like trying to force folk with invisible disabilities to wear a lanyard or a badge so they don't get challenged, it's like the yellow stars in ww2 that some were made to wear (I'm not allowed to say it). It puts a viable symbol on that person who others will avoid through fear and ignorance ostrichizing the wearer from society. This alone could reverse a century of fighting for equality because it discriminate and marginalises.
Who is trying to force folk to wear lanyards?
You have to wear one if you are medically exempt. Some businesses and shops won't allow you to enter if you don't have one and aren't wearing a face covering.
A lot of that issue is businesses carrying out a duty of care to its employees rating to a covid safe risk assessment. There's no hint of actual discrimination."Exactly this, mine my colleagues jobs involve getting pretty up close to you when your in our place of business, if you are exempt then we don't want to know the ins and out of why, just know that you are so we can make adequate changes to the way we work, less vunerable staff to see you, have you in the store at a quieter time etc. All part of a duty of care to risk assess for the safety of the staff not just yourselves | |||
"I think Peter Hitchens brings up some valid questions. Given what damage to the country's economy the government's decisions have done, it's only right that voices of opposition are heard. The government needs to be able to answer the sort of questions that Hitchens is bringing up. I think he is genuine in his critique and he is very ready to back up his opinions but I don't think he is right about everything. I don't think he is being sensationalist. I have seen a few interviews with him about Covid and is not saying anybody should disobey government guidelines. Much as I dislike his newspaper, I don't think he is being irresponsible. I also don't buy the argument that the government is doing what it's doing so it can control us. That's a bit of conspiracy theory as far as I can see. Luke Why didnt he bring it up when they savaged communities with austerity? I don't know whether he did or not. That's a different issue. I don't know what his views are or were about austerity and whether he voiced them or not. " Context always provides the meaning. There's a lot of denialism, not far from conspiracy territory, in some of those who selectively want to portray things in a very limited way, by their own set agenda. He's another self-interested piece of bloatware in the public sphere. Another thread on him has already been spawned, sadly. | |||
