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By *lk Guy OP Man
over a year ago
sheffield |
Well my opinion it’s a Joke...
Government said they didn’t know what was going on to Shut Boarders
When it Supposedly started in China then
When covid got to Europe still boarder was open.
No testing in airports
Track and trace cost millions that doesn’t work
PPE million’s was spent on it and couldn’t be used..
And all the money went to Boris mate in private Company
This 3rd Lockdown isn’t a lockdown like first
Never seen so many None essentials Stuff open roads busy etc
Self employed workers that business not been open long enough can’t claim a penny
But paid in to system
Other treatment in hospital can’t be carried out like cancer and other essential OPERATIONS..
They built Nightingale hospital that can’t be used and No Staff to even Run them
Stay at Home to save the NHS but the government been cutting Funding to The Same NHS it now loves
Politicians Get a wage Rise Nurse Docs Don’t..
Stop at home to Save Gran but Government don’t want fund Social Care and hospital Full of old people with No where to go ,and they care so Much people with covid was being sent back to care homes where the most Vulnerable are...
And front line staff police ambulance nurse doctors teacher community nurse/doc etc are not even a priority to Receive the Vaccine .
Matt handcock at home self isolating telling everyone to do the same only thing he forgot was his on £140.000 a year and claimed £40.000 last year in expenses..not 0 hour contracts where you don’t get paid to be sick
Or £90 sick pay...
Million was living on hard times before this and the stress and worry and mental health that’s going on scares me for the vulnerable.
I could go on and on but we stop for a minute and stop blaming each and try be kind and caring to each other.
Where to quick to judge and do blame game
Coz that’s what Government want Divide
Look at the failing the Government are making
And their the ones that’s supposed to In force law to protect us..and yes we have our part to play Stay Safe |
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I'm confident it we had handled it properly from the start, we would have spent 1/3 of the time in lockdown.
But because the government is a shower of shite, we're going to spend a lot long than necessary in lockdown with devastating effect in all areas of society. |
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over a year ago
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"Well my opinion it’s a Joke...
Government said they didn’t know what was going on to Shut Boarders
When it Supposedly started in China then
When covid got to Europe still boarder was open.
No testing in airports
Track and trace cost millions that doesn’t work
PPE million’s was spent on it and couldn’t be used..
And all the money went to Boris mate in private Company
This 3rd Lockdown isn’t a lockdown like first
Never seen so many None essentials Stuff open roads busy etc
Self employed workers that business not been open long enough can’t claim a penny
But paid in to system
Other treatment in hospital can’t be carried out like cancer and other essential OPERATIONS..
They built Nightingale hospital that can’t be used and No Staff to even Run them
Stay at Home to save the NHS but the government been cutting Funding to The Same NHS it now loves
Politicians Get a wage Rise Nurse Docs Don’t..
Stop at home to Save Gran but Government don’t want fund Social Care and hospital Full of old people with No where to go ,and they care so Much people with covid was being sent back to care homes where the most Vulnerable are...
And front line staff police ambulance nurse doctors teacher community nurse/doc etc are not even a priority to Receive the Vaccine .
Matt handcock at home self isolating telling everyone to do the same only thing he forgot was his on £140.000 a year and claimed £40.000 last year in expenses..not 0 hour contracts where you don’t get paid to be sick
Or £90 sick pay...
Million was living on hard times before this and the stress and worry and mental health that’s going on scares me for the vulnerable.
I could go on and on but we stop for a minute and stop blaming each and try be kind and caring to each other.
Where to quick to judge and do blame game
Coz that’s what Government want Divide
Look at the failing the Government are making
And their the ones that’s supposed to In force law to protect us..and yes we have our part to play Stay Safe"
So what would you have done OP?
Let's hear your magical solutions to the pandemic that is raging the whole wide world? |
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Personally Its in the past. I cannot change any of it so I won't worry about it, I am healthy, have a roof over my head and food on my table and a safe job, which is much more that a lot of people have. So as normal I will take one day at a time and help anyone I am able to, the light at the end of the tunnel is coming we just need to keep holding on |
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over a year ago
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"Personally Its in the past. I cannot change any of it so I won't worry about it, I am healthy, have a roof over my head and food on my table and a safe job, which is much more that a lot of people have. So as normal I will take one day at a time and help anyone I am able to, the light at the end of the tunnel is coming we just need to keep holding on "
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By *lex46TV/TS
over a year ago
Near Wells |
"Well my opinion it’s a Joke...
Government said they didn’t know what was going on to Shut Boarders
When it Supposedly started in China then
When covid got to Europe still boarder was open.
No testing in airports
Track and trace cost millions that doesn’t work
PPE million’s was spent on it and couldn’t be used..
And all the money went to Boris mate in private Company
This 3rd Lockdown isn’t a lockdown like first
Never seen so many None essentials Stuff open roads busy etc
Self employed workers that business not been open long enough can’t claim a penny
But paid in to system
Other treatment in hospital can’t be carried out like cancer and other essential OPERATIONS..
They built Nightingale hospital that can’t be used and No Staff to even Run them
Stay at Home to save the NHS but the government been cutting Funding to The Same NHS it now loves
Politicians Get a wage Rise Nurse Docs Don’t..
Stop at home to Save Gran but Government don’t want fund Social Care and hospital Full of old people with No where to go ,and they care so Much people with covid was being sent back to care homes where the most Vulnerable are...
And front line staff police ambulance nurse doctors teacher community nurse/doc etc are not even a priority to Receive the Vaccine .
Matt handcock at home self isolating telling everyone to do the same only thing he forgot was his on £140.000 a year and claimed £40.000 last year in expenses..not 0 hour contracts where you don’t get paid to be sick
Or £90 sick pay...
Million was living on hard times before this and the stress and worry and mental health that’s going on scares me for the vulnerable.
I could go on and on but we stop for a minute and stop blaming each and try be kind and caring to each other.
Where to quick to judge and do blame game
Coz that’s what Government want Divide
Look at the failing the Government are making
And their the ones that’s supposed to In force law to protect us..and yes we have our part to play Stay Safe
So what would you have done OP?
Let's hear your magical solutions to the pandemic that is raging the whole wide world?"
That's exactly what I thought. A once in a hundred years worldwide pandemic and he expects the government to have all the correct answers.
Have you not noticed other countries are in the same predicament? Tell us what you think should be done and how you know it will work.
When the demand for PPE rises by a thousand times worldwide instantly there is bound to be a shortage?? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Well my opinion it’s a Joke...
Government said they didn’t know what was going on to Shut Boarders
When it Supposedly started in China then
When covid got to Europe still boarder was open.
No testing in airports
Track and trace cost millions that doesn’t work
PPE million’s was spent on it and couldn’t be used..
And all the money went to Boris mate in private Company
This 3rd Lockdown isn’t a lockdown like first
Never seen so many None essentials Stuff open roads busy etc
Self employed workers that business not been open long enough can’t claim a penny
But paid in to system
Other treatment in hospital can’t be carried out like cancer and other essential OPERATIONS..
They built Nightingale hospital that can’t be used and No Staff to even Run them
Stay at Home to save the NHS but the government been cutting Funding to The Same NHS it now loves
Politicians Get a wage Rise Nurse Docs Don’t..
Stop at home to Save Gran but Government don’t want fund Social Care and hospital Full of old people with No where to go ,and they care so Much people with covid was being sent back to care homes where the most Vulnerable are...
And front line staff police ambulance nurse doctors teacher community nurse/doc etc are not even a priority to Receive the Vaccine .
Matt handcock at home self isolating telling everyone to do the same only thing he forgot was his on £140.000 a year and claimed £40.000 last year in expenses..not 0 hour contracts where you don’t get paid to be sick
Or £90 sick pay...
Million was living on hard times before this and the stress and worry and mental health that’s going on scares me for the vulnerable.
I could go on and on but we stop for a minute and stop blaming each and try be kind and caring to each other.
Where to quick to judge and do blame game
Coz that’s what Government want Divide
Look at the failing the Government are making
And their the ones that’s supposed to In force law to protect us..and yes we have our part to play Stay Safe
So what would you have done OP?
Let's hear your magical solutions to the pandemic that is raging the whole wide world?
That's exactly what I thought. A once in a hundred years worldwide pandemic and he expects the government to have all the correct answers.
Have you not noticed other countries are in the same predicament? Tell us what you think should be done and how you know it will work.
When the demand for PPE rises by a thousand times worldwide instantly there is bound to be a shortage?? "
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Thread title - Necessary evil.
Post Content - Most of the things they've done I think have been the right things to do, however I think they dithered and delayed which made the situation worse and think measures could have been even tougher. |
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I agree with the OP. The government have fucked up at every turn, spectacularly, are blaming us for it.
And could I have done better? With access to expertise like the government have, of course. Like other countries did. Let's stop pandering to their deadly incompetence. |
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"A once in a hundred years worldwide pandemic and he expects the government to have all the correct answers.
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I quite agree. How on earth could the government have predicted what was going to happen ?
It's not like they they modelled a respiratory pandemic and the effects thereof and published findings and recommendations 3 years before Covid-19 hit.
Oh wait...yes they did.
It's called Exercise Cygnus.
They just chose not to act upon its findings.
And when requests were made to obtain the report via FOI request they prevaricated and cited that publishing it would undermine the formulation of government policy, until the ICO rejected their FOI defence and ordered the report be published.
Ignorance in the eyes of the law is not a defence. The government cannot even truthfully claim that. Absolving them on that regard is disingenuous at best.
Wilfully knowing what a pandemic could do, modelling a scenario and choosing not to act upon the findings ? In the eyes of the law, that's wilfully negligent at the least. A court would take a view that they flagrantly ignored the findings and placed people at serious risk of illness and death. The government don't have a leg to stand on in that regard. |
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"Well my opinion it’s a Joke...
Government said they didn’t know what was going on to Shut Boarders
When it Supposedly started in China then
When covid got to Europe still boarder was open.
No testing in airports
Track and trace cost millions that doesn’t work
PPE million’s was spent on it and couldn’t be used..
And all the money went to Boris mate in private Company
This 3rd Lockdown isn’t a lockdown like first
Never seen so many None essentials Stuff open roads busy etc
Self employed workers that business not been open long enough can’t claim a penny
But paid in to system
Other treatment in hospital can’t be carried out like cancer and other essential OPERATIONS..
They built Nightingale hospital that can’t be used and No Staff to even Run them
Stay at Home to save the NHS but the government been cutting Funding to The Same NHS it now loves
Politicians Get a wage Rise Nurse Docs Don’t..
Stop at home to Save Gran but Government don’t want fund Social Care and hospital Full of old people with No where to go ,and they care so Much people with covid was being sent back to care homes where the most Vulnerable are...
And front line staff police ambulance nurse doctors teacher community nurse/doc etc are not even a priority to Receive the Vaccine .
Matt handcock at home self isolating telling everyone to do the same only thing he forgot was his on £140.000 a year and claimed £40.000 last year in expenses..not 0 hour contracts where you don’t get paid to be sick
Or £90 sick pay...
Million was living on hard times before this and the stress and worry and mental health that’s going on scares me for the vulnerable.
I could go on and on but we stop for a minute and stop blaming each and try be kind and caring to each other.
Where to quick to judge and do blame game
Coz that’s what Government want Divide
Look at the failing the Government are making
And their the ones that’s supposed to In force law to protect us..and yes we have our part to play Stay Safe
So what would you have done OP?
Let's hear your magical solutions to the pandemic that is raging the whole wide world?"
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"A once in a hundred years worldwide pandemic and he expects the government to have all the correct answers.
I quite agree. How on earth could the government have predicted what was going to happen ?
It's not like they they modelled a respiratory pandemic and the effects thereof and published findings and recommendations 3 years before Covid-19 hit.
Oh wait...yes they did.
It's called Exercise Cygnus.
They just chose not to act upon its findings.
And when requests were made to obtain the report via FOI request they prevaricated and cited that publishing it would undermine the formulation of government policy, until the ICO rejected their FOI defence and ordered the report be published.
Ignorance in the eyes of the law is not a defence. The government cannot even truthfully claim that. Absolving them on that regard is disingenuous at best.
Wilfully knowing what a pandemic could do, modelling a scenario and choosing not to act upon the findings ? In the eyes of the law, that's wilfully negligent at the least. A court would take a view that they flagrantly ignored the findings and placed people at serious risk of illness and death. The government don't have a leg to stand on in that regard. "
It's not like we didn't have a warm up scare with SARS. It's not like we don't regularly have to think about it with flu. It's not like other countries didn't look at the data and get it right.
The government are not toddlers whose self esteem we need to coddle even though their scribbles are awful. Long past time to treat them as adults in positions of authority. |
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"Well my opinion it’s a Joke...
Government said they didn’t know what was going on to Shut Boarders
When it Supposedly started in China then
When covid got to Europe still boarder was open.
No testing in airports
Track and trace cost millions that doesn’t work
PPE million’s was spent on it and couldn’t be used..
And all the money went to Boris mate in private Company
This 3rd Lockdown isn’t a lockdown like first
Never seen so many None essentials Stuff open roads busy etc
Self employed workers that business not been open long enough can’t claim a penny
But paid in to system
Other treatment in hospital can’t be carried out like cancer and other essential OPERATIONS..
They built Nightingale hospital that can’t be used and No Staff to even Run them
Stay at Home to save the NHS but the government been cutting Funding to The Same NHS it now loves
Politicians Get a wage Rise Nurse Docs Don’t..
Stop at home to Save Gran but Government don’t want fund Social Care and hospital Full of old people with No where to go ,and they care so Much people with covid was being sent back to care homes where the most Vulnerable are...
And front line staff police ambulance nurse doctors teacher community nurse/doc etc are not even a priority to Receive the Vaccine .
Matt handcock at home self isolating telling everyone to do the same only thing he forgot was his on £140.000 a year and claimed £40.000 last year in expenses..not 0 hour contracts where you don’t get paid to be sick
Or £90 sick pay...
Million was living on hard times before this and the stress and worry and mental health that’s going on scares me for the vulnerable.
I could go on and on but we stop for a minute and stop blaming each and try be kind and caring to each other.
Where to quick to judge and do blame game
Coz that’s what Government want Divide
Look at the failing the Government are making
And their the ones that’s supposed to In force law to protect us..and yes we have our part to play Stay Safe"
Don't hold back op  |
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My only criticism is about this third lockdown and the confusion oh lack of common sense ..
We can’t go in to a regulated pub and mix with a few friends who we trust and have a good idea where they’ve been, but we can go in supermarkets with no regulations and it’s a fucking free for with total strangers ... we should of followed the example of Spain....
Apart from that I look at It has someone as already said, it something we haven’t experienced b4 so there was bound to be mistakes.... apart from the boredom, I keep smiling and trying to kill the threads on here lol |
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It's a start. But they need to learn absolutely everything that's possible from all that they've done, including their mistakes. They prefer us to blame everyone else, scientists or each other, instead of them.
Lockdown, depending on how it's done, can be a great thing. Looks like here until March at least |
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Having just got back from Cost Co and seen a bundle to get in then big family units treating it as essentially a day out. Milling about and pawing at the clothing before trying it on in the aisles. Also a family of five just buying one bag of salad. I don’t think it’s just the governments poor handling of this that’s the problem.
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By *iliciousCouple
over a year ago
Sussex/Surrey |
"Well my opinion it’s a Joke...
Government said they didn’t know what was going on to Shut Boarders
When it Supposedly started in China then
When covid got to Europe still boarder was open.
No testing in airports
Track and trace cost millions that doesn’t work
PPE million’s was spent on it and couldn’t be used..
And all the money went to Boris mate in private Company
This 3rd Lockdown isn’t a lockdown like first
Never seen so many None essentials Stuff open roads busy etc
Self employed workers that business not been open long enough can’t claim a penny
But paid in to system
Other treatment in hospital can’t be carried out like cancer and other essential OPERATIONS..
They built Nightingale hospital that can’t be used and No Staff to even Run them
Stay at Home to save the NHS but the government been cutting Funding to The Same NHS it now loves
Politicians Get a wage Rise Nurse Docs Don’t..
Stop at home to Save Gran but Government don’t want fund Social Care and hospital Full of old people with No where to go ,and they care so Much people with covid was being sent back to care homes where the most Vulnerable are...
And front line staff police ambulance nurse doctors teacher community nurse/doc etc are not even a priority to Receive the Vaccine .
Matt handcock at home self isolating telling everyone to do the same only thing he forgot was his on £140.000 a year and claimed £40.000 last year in expenses..not 0 hour contracts where you don’t get paid to be sick
Or £90 sick pay...
Million was living on hard times before this and the stress and worry and mental health that’s going on scares me for the vulnerable.
I could go on and on but we stop for a minute and stop blaming each and try be kind and caring to each other.
Where to quick to judge and do blame game
Coz that’s what Government want Divide
Look at the failing the Government are making
And their the ones that’s supposed to In force law to protect us..and yes we have our part to play Stay Safe
So what would you have done OP?
Let's hear your magical solutions to the pandemic that is raging the whole wide world?"
Quite an unhelpful and provocative post really. Clearly the OP has laid out a lot of failings, so presumably he wouldn’t have done those things.
Of course it’s a massive problem which affected the whole world. But the failings have been myriad. Probably the place to start is to look at Johnson this time last year boasting that he was shaking hands with everyone; and taking two weeks off to celebrate Brexit and sort his divorce settlement instead of attending abd leading the COBRA meetings at the start of the pandemic.
It kind of went downhill from there really. Many many failings. Not difficult to see them if you open your mind. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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To be fair the government have done a good job of spreading hysteria, massaging figures, splitting the population and not getting the blame for fucking the nhs!! |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"I agree with the OP. The government have fucked up at every turn, spectacularly, are blaming us for it.
And could I have done better? With access to expertise like the government have, of course. Like other countries did. Let's stop pandering to their deadly incompetence. "
They are getting it right now but the biggest problem has been the British people and there attitute,This government has been to soft but if they had clamped down you would be moaning it is a police state it people like you that are a bigger problem than the government |
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By *lex46TV/TS
over a year ago
Near Wells |
"A once in a hundred years worldwide pandemic and he expects the government to have all the correct answers.
I quite agree. How on earth could the government have predicted what was going to happen ?
It's not like they they modelled a respiratory pandemic and the effects thereof and published findings and recommendations 3 years before Covid-19 hit.
Oh wait...yes they did.
It's called Exercise Cygnus.
They just chose not to act upon its findings.
And when requests were made to obtain the report via FOI request they prevaricated and cited that publishing it would undermine the formulation of government policy, until the ICO rejected their FOI defence and ordered the report be published.
Ignorance in the eyes of the law is not a defence. The government cannot even truthfully claim that. Absolving them on that regard is disingenuous at best.
Wilfully knowing what a pandemic could do, modelling a scenario and choosing not to act upon the findings ? In the eyes of the law, that's wilfully negligent at the least. A court would take a view that they flagrantly ignored the findings and placed people at serious risk of illness and death. The government don't have a leg to stand on in that regard. "
Just imagine Covid didn't happen and the government did everything you say and acted on those findings. It would cost Hundreds of thousands, if not millions of pounds to implement.
Possibly yourself and certainly sections of the media would create hell about the amount of money the government had wasted on something that last happened one hundred years ago??
I don't recall anyone complaining at the time as to why the government wasn't doing this. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Too much confusion, armchair experts, political point scoring, statistical nonsense, pundits trying to get one over, scare mongering, etc etc. If we are suppose to be treating this as a 'war' against Covid the people need to pull together and have a single common cause. Controversial I know and it would never ever happen but in a state of war I would support the formation of Ministry of Information responsible for the message for us all to follow. |
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By *konCouple
over a year ago
cardiff |
"I agree with the OP. The government have fucked up at every turn, spectacularly, are blaming us for it.
And could I have done better? With access to expertise like the government have, of course. Like other countries did. Let's stop pandering to their deadly incompetence. "
Where there no contingency fire / flood / pestilence plans on the shelf ? Seems not |
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" Just imagine Covid didn't happen and the government did everything you say and acted on those findings. It would cost Hundreds of thousands, if not millions of pounds to implement.
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This was a planned exercise Alex, to estimate the impact of a hypothetical H2N2 influenza pandemic on the United Kingdom. It was a scoping exercise in response to SARS in 2002-2004 in China, to see how the UK would cope in the event of a similar outbreak.
"Possibly yourself and certainly sections of the media would create hell about the amount of money the government had wasted on something that last happened one hundred years ago??
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SARS was 2002-2004 Alex. Not over 100 years ago.
I would not have created merry hell, nor do I think any rational person would have done either because I value preparedness.
Experts and planners far above my capability are paid to do this. To be prepared. It's what I expect a government to do.
I don't know the final costings to implement Exercise Cygnus's findings, but I very much doubt they would exceeded the amount the UK has spent so far.
Put simply, you are trying to defend the indefensible. Lessons were learned and never acted upon.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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This shower of shit government have a lot to answer for . A catalogue of errors from the start . I believe that a lot of peoe have died unnecessarily because of their incompetence. I look forward to the enquiries when they start , although Johnson isnt keen to get them started & gave many excuses last week why they wont begin yet .
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Well my opinion it’s a Joke...
Government said they didn’t know what was going on to Shut Boarders
When it Supposedly started in China then
When covid got to Europe still boarder was open.
No testing in airports
Track and trace cost millions that doesn’t work
PPE million’s was spent on it and couldn’t be used..
And all the money went to Boris mate in private Company
This 3rd Lockdown isn’t a lockdown like first
Never seen so many None essentials Stuff open roads busy etc
Self employed workers that business not been open long enough can’t claim a penny
But paid in to system
Other treatment in hospital can’t be carried out like cancer and other essential OPERATIONS..
They built Nightingale hospital that can’t be used and No Staff to even Run them
Stay at Home to save the NHS but the government been cutting Funding to The Same NHS it now loves
Politicians Get a wage Rise Nurse Docs Don’t..
Stop at home to Save Gran but Government don’t want fund Social Care and hospital Full of old people with No where to go ,and they care so Much people with covid was being sent back to care homes where the most Vulnerable are...
And front line staff police ambulance nurse doctors teacher community nurse/doc etc are not even a priority to Receive the Vaccine .
Matt handcock at home self isolating telling everyone to do the same only thing he forgot was his on £140.000 a year and claimed £40.000 last year in expenses..not 0 hour contracts where you don’t get paid to be sick
Or £90 sick pay...
Million was living on hard times before this and the stress and worry and mental health that’s going on scares me for the vulnerable.
I could go on and on but we stop for a minute and stop blaming each and try be kind and caring to each other.
Where to quick to judge and do blame game
Coz that’s what Government want Divide
Look at the failing the Government are making
And their the ones that’s supposed to In force law to protect us..and yes we have our part to play Stay Safe
So what would you have done OP?
Let's hear your magical solutions to the pandemic that is raging the whole wide world?"
You may not agree but he's allowed an opinion. Its not raging the whole world. My daughter lives a normal life in Hong Kong because they handled it correctly. A lot of countries are leading normal lives. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Closed borders immediately.
Closed pubs.
Closed schools and universities.
No one comes in no one goes out of the country.
Had he done that when they first heard about it we would be here now.
SPINELESS GOVERNMENT.
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By *oodguy300Man
over a year ago
Birmingham City Centre |
I agree with a lot the things you said, I can only hope that what comes out of this is that the English learn once and for all that this whole 'Conservative' mindset is and always has been a distaster for everyone, including all the status craving class obsessed aholes that keep voting them in, they will never learn.
You can't have public schoolboys with no real life experience in charge of a country, it doesn't work, it never has, never will. not saying the other political choices are particularly any better, but either way we have to move beyond this insanity. Not voting Tory would be a good place to start. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Closed borders immediately.
Closed pubs.
Closed schools and universities.
No one comes in no one goes out of the country.
Had he done that when they first heard about it we would be here now.
SPINELESS GOVERNMENT.
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Exactly this .... They could see what was happening in Italy and Spain and Johnson and co did not take it seriously at all . Their attitude towards it was disgusting |
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You may not agree but he's allowed an opinion. Its not raging the whole world. My daughter lives a normal life in Hong Kong because they handled it correctly. A lot of countries are leading normal lives."
My family in Australia live mostly normal lives because they suppressed hard (and successfully) and have brief interventions on the occasions that outbreaks occur. Of course it can be done, even in a democratic nation.
For some reason apparently the UK prefers long, painful, destructive, ineffective methods rather than sharp effective methods then mostly having our lives back. |
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Yup, a massive scaremongering campaign about a deadly virus that’s not actually deadly to the overwhelming majority the population. It definitely isn’t making sense so makes you wonder if there’s an ulterior agenda at play. This is about control now, they’ve seen how far they can push, seen people have bought it and pushing on with it. Very disturbing. |
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By *ornLordMan
over a year ago
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"I agree with a lot the things you said, I can only hope that what comes out of this is that the English learn once and for all that this whole 'Conservative' mindset is and always has been a distaster for everyone, including all the status craving class obsessed aholes that keep voting them in, they will never learn.
You can't have public schoolboys with no real life experience in charge of a country, it doesn't work, it never has, never will. not saying the other political choices are particularly any better, but either way we have to move beyond this insanity. Not voting Tory would be a good place to start."
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"To be fair the government have done a good job of spreading hysteria, massaging figures, splitting the population and not getting the blame for fucking the nhs!!
Yup, a massive scaremongering campaign about a deadly virus that’s not actually deadly to the overwhelming majority the population. It definitely isn’t making sense so makes you wonder if there’s an ulterior agenda at play. This is about control now, they’ve seen how far they can push, seen people have bought it and pushing on with it. Very disturbing. "
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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago
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"To be fair the government have done a good job of spreading hysteria, massaging figures, splitting the population and not getting the blame for fucking the nhs!!
Yup, a massive scaremongering campaign about a deadly virus that’s not actually deadly to the overwhelming majority the population. It definitely isn’t making sense so makes you wonder if there’s an ulterior agenda at play. This is about control now, they’ve seen how far they can push, seen people have bought it and pushing on with it. Very disturbing. Totally agree"
So you are for throwing the vonerable ones to the wolves then and let them take their chances along with everyone else ? |
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over a year ago
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Are we on lockdown??
Except beauty, betting and leisure, everything’s open. Working at home or going in, only person I know on furlough is my hairdresser 
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Yup, a massive scaremongering campaign about a deadly virus that’s not actually deadly to the overwhelming majority the population. It definitely isn’t making sense so makes you wonder if there’s an ulterior agenda at play. This is about control now, they’ve seen how far they can push, seen people have bought it and pushing on with it. Very disturbing. "
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By (user no longer on site)
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"A once in a hundred years worldwide pandemic and he expects the government to have all the correct answers.
I quite agree. How on earth could the government have predicted what was going to happen ?
It's not like they they modelled a respiratory pandemic and the effects thereof and published findings and recommendations 3 years before Covid-19 hit.
Oh wait...yes they did.
It's called Exercise Cygnus.
They just chose not to act upon its findings.
And when requests were made to obtain the report via FOI request they prevaricated and cited that publishing it would undermine the formulation of government policy, until the ICO rejected their FOI defence and ordered the report be published.
Ignorance in the eyes of the law is not a defence. The government cannot even truthfully claim that. Absolving them on that regard is disingenuous at best.
Wilfully knowing what a pandemic could do, modelling a scenario and choosing not to act upon the findings ? In the eyes of the law, that's wilfully negligent at the least. A court would take a view that they flagrantly ignored the findings and placed people at serious risk of illness and death. The government don't have a leg to stand on in that regard. "
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"To be fair the government have done a good job of spreading hysteria, massaging figures, splitting the population and not getting the blame for fucking the nhs!!
Yup, a massive scaremongering campaign about a deadly virus that’s not actually deadly to the overwhelming majority the population. It definitely isn’t making sense so makes you wonder if there’s an ulterior agenda at play. This is about control now, they’ve seen how far they can push, seen people have bought it and pushing on with it. Very disturbing.
the aliens are coming "
Perhaps covid *is* the alien.  |
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"To be fair the government have done a good job of spreading hysteria, massaging figures, splitting the population and not getting the blame for fucking the nhs!!
Yup, a massive scaremongering campaign about a deadly virus that’s not actually deadly to the overwhelming majority the population. It definitely isn’t making sense so makes you wonder if there’s an ulterior agenda at play. This is about control now, they’ve seen how far they can push, seen people have bought it and pushing on with it. Very disturbing. "
It's an interesting conspiracy but it's not borne out by the facts that an awful lot of people are still dying solely due to contact outside of what is guidance, recommended advice and law..
For society so 'controlled' it's a pretty ineffective agenda.. |
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"To be fair the government have done a good job of spreading hysteria, massaging figures, splitting the population and not getting the blame for fucking the nhs!!
Yup, a massive scaremongering campaign about a deadly virus that’s not actually deadly to the overwhelming majority the population. It definitely isn’t making sense so makes you wonder if there’s an ulterior agenda at play. This is about control now, they’ve seen how far they can push, seen people have bought it and pushing on with it. Very disturbing. Totally agree
So you are for throwing the vonerable ones to the wolves then and let them take their chances along with everyone else ?"
Exactly! Especially when the mp's can afford to kick back and isolate, while the expendable lower classes have to risk catching it through work |
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"To be fair the government have done a good job of spreading hysteria, massaging figures, splitting the population and not getting the blame for fucking the nhs!!
Yup, a massive scaremongering campaign about a deadly virus that’s not actually deadly to the overwhelming majority the population. It definitely isn’t making sense so makes you wonder if there’s an ulterior agenda at play. This is about control now, they’ve seen how far they can push, seen people have bought it and pushing on with it. Very disturbing.
It's an interesting conspiracy but it's not borne out by the facts that an awful lot of people are still dying solely due to contact outside of what is guidance, recommended advice and law..
For society so 'controlled' it's a pretty ineffective agenda.."
The cure to the bigger societal problem is education and critical thinking. |
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"To be fair the government have done a good job of spreading hysteria, massaging figures, splitting the population and not getting the blame for fucking the nhs!!
Yup, a massive scaremongering campaign about a deadly virus that’s not actually deadly to the overwhelming majority the population. It definitely isn’t making sense so makes you wonder if there’s an ulterior agenda at play. This is about control now, they’ve seen how far they can push, seen people have bought it and pushing on with it. Very disturbing.
It's an interesting conspiracy but it's not borne out by the facts that an awful lot of people are still dying solely due to contact outside of what is guidance, recommended advice and law..
For society so 'controlled' it's a pretty ineffective agenda.."
The facts are the numbers you’re getting rammed down your throats everyday aren’t all they seem. The figures are being manipulated to keep peddling the fear.
Do your research and stop listening to the bbc and sky. |
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"To be fair the government have done a good job of spreading hysteria, massaging figures, splitting the population and not getting the blame for fucking the nhs!!
Yup, a massive scaremongering campaign about a deadly virus that’s not actually deadly to the overwhelming majority the population. It definitely isn’t making sense so makes you wonder if there’s an ulterior agenda at play. This is about control now, they’ve seen how far they can push, seen people have bought it and pushing on with it. Very disturbing.
It's an interesting conspiracy but it's not borne out by the facts that an awful lot of people are still dying solely due to contact outside of what is guidance, recommended advice and law..
For society so 'controlled' it's a pretty ineffective agenda..
The cure to the bigger societal problem is education and critical thinking."
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"To be fair the government have done a good job of spreading hysteria, massaging figures, splitting the population and not getting the blame for fucking the nhs!!
Yup, a massive scaremongering campaign about a deadly virus that’s not actually deadly to the overwhelming majority the population. It definitely isn’t making sense so makes you wonder if there’s an ulterior agenda at play. This is about control now, they’ve seen how far they can push, seen people have bought it and pushing on with it. Very disturbing.
It's an interesting conspiracy but it's not borne out by the facts that an awful lot of people are still dying solely due to contact outside of what is guidance, recommended advice and law..
For society so 'controlled' it's a pretty ineffective agenda..
The facts are the numbers you’re getting rammed down your throats everyday aren’t all they seem. The figures are being manipulated to keep peddling the fear.
Do your research and stop listening to the bbc and sky. "
You are spot on, the figures we are given are aimed to scare and control and to keep us in line . I know several nurses who have told me the figure are exaggerated |
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"To be fair the government have done a good job of spreading hysteria, massaging figures, splitting the population and not getting the blame for fucking the nhs!!
Yup, a massive scaremongering campaign about a deadly virus that’s not actually deadly to the overwhelming majority the population. It definitely isn’t making sense so makes you wonder if there’s an ulterior agenda at play. This is about control now, they’ve seen how far they can push, seen people have bought it and pushing on with it. Very disturbing.
It's an interesting conspiracy but it's not borne out by the facts that an awful lot of people are still dying solely due to contact outside of what is guidance, recommended advice and law..
For society so 'controlled' it's a pretty ineffective agenda..
The facts are the numbers you’re getting rammed down your throats everyday aren’t all they seem. The figures are being manipulated to keep peddling the fear.
Do your research and stop listening to the bbc and sky. "
Mate stop it with the same old crock, put the independently sources, verified whatevers on here..
ONS, kings, imperial, John Hopkins etc are not the beeb..
Sky I never use..
I'm preempting the response will be 'go look for the truth yourself'?
Which is the default with many denier's.. |
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"To be fair the government have done a good job of spreading hysteria, massaging figures, splitting the population and not getting the blame for fucking the nhs!!
Yup, a massive scaremongering campaign about a deadly virus that’s not actually deadly to the overwhelming majority the population. It definitely isn’t making sense so makes you wonder if there’s an ulterior agenda at play. This is about control now, they’ve seen how far they can push, seen people have bought it and pushing on with it. Very disturbing.
It's an interesting conspiracy but it's not borne out by the facts that an awful lot of people are still dying solely due to contact outside of what is guidance, recommended advice and law..
For society so 'controlled' it's a pretty ineffective agenda..
The facts are the numbers you’re getting rammed down your throats everyday aren’t all they seem. The figures are being manipulated to keep peddling the fear.
Do your research and stop listening to the bbc and sky.
Mate stop it with the same old crock, put the independently sources, verified whatevers on here..
ONS, kings, imperial, John Hopkins etc are not the beeb..
Sky I never use..
I'm preempting the response will be 'go look for the truth yourself'?
Which is the default with many denier's.."
I don't have a television and don't rely on the BBC or Sky. I'm also trained to a postgraduate level on independent academic research, with particular emphasis on source vetting and the analysis of claims in narrative (albeit in the humanities).
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By *essiCouple
over a year ago
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It is what it is..we have to deal with it as individuals as best we can..no good arguing,or anything else about it..the rules are there for us all,how we interpret them is human common sense or not in some cases..
We can't alter what's happened as the saying goes
Yesterday is history and tomorrow a mystery..today is present and a gift to many...
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"To be fair the government have done a good job of spreading hysteria, massaging figures, splitting the population and not getting the blame for fucking the nhs!!
Yup, a massive scaremongering campaign about a deadly virus that’s not actually deadly to the overwhelming majority the population. It definitely isn’t making sense so makes you wonder if there’s an ulterior agenda at play. This is about control now, they’ve seen how far they can push, seen people have bought it and pushing on with it. Very disturbing.
It's an interesting conspiracy but it's not borne out by the facts that an awful lot of people are still dying solely due to contact outside of what is guidance, recommended advice and law..
For society so 'controlled' it's a pretty ineffective agenda..
The facts are the numbers you’re getting rammed down your throats everyday aren’t all they seem. The figures are being manipulated to keep peddling the fear.
Do your research and stop listening to the bbc and sky.
Mate stop it with the same old crock, put the independently sources, verified whatevers on here..
ONS, kings, imperial, John Hopkins etc are not the beeb..
Sky I never use..
I'm preempting the response will be 'go look for the truth yourself'?
Which is the default with many denier's..
I don't have a television and don't rely on the BBC or Sky. I'm also trained to a postgraduate level on independent academic research, with particular emphasis on source vetting and the analysis of claims in narrative (albeit in the humanities).
Yes yes I blindly follow whatever I'm told about world events and don't dig into it myself "
It's the mantra they trot out that's become tedious as well as totally debunked in the last ten months or so..
Ironically those in the know don't seem to know their sources when asked..
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"It is what it is..we have to deal with it as individuals as best we can..no good arguing,or anything else about it..the rules are there for us all,how we interpret them is human common sense or not in some cases..
We can't alter what's happened as the saying goes
Yesterday is history and tomorrow a mystery..today is present and a gift to many...
#bealittlemorethoughtful "
It is a strange time.. |
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By *essiCouple
over a year ago
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"It is what it is..we have to deal with it as individuals as best we can..no good arguing,or anything else about it..the rules are there for us all,how we interpret them is human common sense or not in some cases..
We can't alter what's happened as the saying goes
Yesterday is history and tomorrow a mystery..today is present and a gift to many...
#bealittlemorethoughtful
It is a strange time.."
It way beyond anything like strange... |
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"To be fair the government have done a good job of spreading hysteria, massaging figures, splitting the population and not getting the blame for fucking the nhs!!
Yup, a massive scaremongering campaign about a deadly virus that’s not actually deadly to the overwhelming majority the population. It definitely isn’t making sense so makes you wonder if there’s an ulterior agenda at play. This is about control now, they’ve seen how far they can push, seen people have bought it and pushing on with it. Very disturbing.
It's an interesting conspiracy but it's not borne out by the facts that an awful lot of people are still dying solely due to contact outside of what is guidance, recommended advice and law..
For society so 'controlled' it's a pretty ineffective agenda..
The facts are the numbers you’re getting rammed down your throats everyday aren’t all they seem. The figures are being manipulated to keep peddling the fear.
Do your research and stop listening to the bbc and sky.
Mate stop it with the same old crock, put the independently sources, verified whatevers on here..
ONS, kings, imperial, John Hopkins etc are not the beeb..
Sky I never use..
I'm preempting the response will be 'go look for the truth yourself'?
Which is the default with many denier's..
I don't have a television and don't rely on the BBC or Sky. I'm also trained to a postgraduate level on independent academic research, with particular emphasis on source vetting and the analysis of claims in narrative (albeit in the humanities).
Yes yes I blindly follow whatever I'm told about world events and don't dig into it myself
It's the mantra they trot out that's become tedious as well as totally debunked in the last ten months or so..
Ironically those in the know don't seem to know their sources when asked..
Hey ho.."
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"Well my opinion it’s a Joke...
Government said they didn’t know what was going on to Shut Boarders
When it Supposedly started in China then
When covid got to Europe still boarder was open.
No testing in airports
Track and trace cost millions that doesn’t work
PPE million’s was spent on it and couldn’t be used..
And all the money went to Boris mate in private Company
This 3rd Lockdown isn’t a lockdown like first
Never seen so many None essentials Stuff open roads busy etc
Self employed workers that business not been open long enough can’t claim a penny
But paid in to system
Other treatment in hospital can’t be carried out like cancer and other essential OPERATIONS..
They built Nightingale hospital that can’t be used and No Staff to even Run them
Stay at Home to save the NHS but the government been cutting Funding to The Same NHS it now loves
Politicians Get a wage Rise Nurse Docs Don’t..
Stop at home to Save Gran but Government don’t want fund Social Care and hospital Full of old people with No where to go ,and they care so Much people with covid was being sent back to care homes where the most Vulnerable are...
And front line staff police ambulance nurse doctors teacher community nurse/doc etc are not even a priority to Receive the Vaccine .
Matt handcock at home self isolating telling everyone to do the same only thing he forgot was his on £140.000 a year and claimed £40.000 last year in expenses..not 0 hour contracts where you don’t get paid to be sick
Or £90 sick pay...
Million was living on hard times before this and the stress and worry and mental health that’s going on scares me for the vulnerable.
I could go on and on but we stop for a minute and stop blaming each and try be kind and caring to each other.
Where to quick to judge and do blame game
Coz that’s what Government want Divide
Look at the failing the Government are making
And their the ones that’s supposed to In force law to protect us..and yes we have our part to play Stay Safe"
It's necessary ..more now than it was before .. if you can't see that ? You probably have too many selfish genes .. crack on like everyone else is and get used to it ! |
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"To be fair the government have done a good job of spreading hysteria, massaging figures, splitting the population and not getting the blame for fucking the nhs!!
Yup, a massive scaremongering campaign about a deadly virus that’s not actually deadly to the overwhelming majority the population. It definitely isn’t making sense so makes you wonder if there’s an ulterior agenda at play. This is about control now, they’ve seen how far they can push, seen people have bought it and pushing on with it. Very disturbing. "
I dnt get your theory. Why are they pushing it. Why are they trying to control us. The country is going to the wall. Businesses crashing. Mental health a disaster. What can they possibly gain from what you have said. Are you saying there is no virus its all a lie. They are murdering people. Tell me why so I can agree. Because right now it sounds like another anti covider. Ridiculous |
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" They are getting it right now but the biggest problem has been the British people and there attitute,This government has been to soft but if they had clamped down you would be moaning it is a police state it people like you that are a bigger problem than the government"
I totally disagree. As a frontline NHS worker I saw it happen with my own eyes. First lockdown was pretty much 100% compliance. The roads were empty. Totally. It was really bizarre.
Then the government decreed that it was OK to break the rules if you felt your circumstances meant you had to (Cummings and goings gate).
From that point everyone decided to judge risk on a personal rather than societal level. Fuck tiers! If I need to see my mum for mental health reasons, then it's OK!
Any lack of compliance of lockdown falls squarely at the government's door. If they'd made an example of Cummings we'd be in a much better place. But they forgave him for "doing the best for his family"...
And that's the reason folk are less compliant now. They aren't covered by furlough pay and they are working to do the best for their family...
The blame lies squarely with the government. |
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I agree with the poster
I think the first lockdown should of been more harsh and borders closed I live in London loads of people about and many are still willing to meet I don't know about other areas
I am furloughed and the school have finally sorted out some sort of online learning alot of things are nearly a year to late might be the most unpopular opinion but I think restrictions including schools shut should be until September giving a lot more people the chance to get vaccinated |
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"I agree with the poster
I think the first lockdown should of been more harsh and borders closed I live in London loads of people about and many are still willing to meet I don't know about other areas
I am furloughed and the school have finally sorted out some sort of online learning alot of things are nearly a year to late might be the most unpopular opinion but I think restrictions including schools shut should be until September giving a lot more people the chance to get vaccinated "
I agree with you. I feel that things were relaxed too soon in the summer. Then not tightened up quick enough when things started to slide.
This pandemic has also really highlighted the digital divide and lots of other issues in society that just had sticking plasters put on them.
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"Lockdowns don't work "
lock down worked perfectly well in New Zealand. They only have virus due to returnees to NZ at their border. Everywhere there was closed apart from appointed supermarkets and chemists.
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Ignorance and stupidity, lack of ability to see context and beyond the end of our nose. And we haven't seen the half of it yet. It saddens me and worries me to see and witness such lack of education and ability. It's going to take a very long time to repair our socket and I don't just mean economically. |
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