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I've been speaking to a friend who works with infectious diseases.
Seems there is a problem with those who have been vaccinated that they think they are immune almost as soon as they have had the injection.
It is feared that all the good work with vaccinating people will be undone.
It's a numbers game and until the numbers of infections in total are low then those who are vaccinated still need to take precautions and so do we when we are around them. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Three weeks after someone has had both Pfizer vaccinations, why do they still need to take precautions ? Does that mean the vaccine doesn't work ? "
It means the recipient of the vaccination might not get ill, yet could still pass the virus on to someone |
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"Three weeks after someone has had both Pfizer vaccinations, why do they still need to take precautions ? Does that mean the vaccine doesn't work ? "
No, some think that they can go hug their kids within an hour of jab one, sort of thing.
Not my grandparents, but working on it. |
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over a year ago
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"I don't understand this. We have to isolate forever even after double vaccinations ?"
We all still need to isolate until enough of the population has had the vaccine that we have built some public immunity |
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"I don't understand this. We have to isolate forever even after double vaccinations ?"
No.
The vaccines were tested to protect against severe disease.
They may slow transmission. Not tested yet.
When enough of the community has had the full dose (two jabs) of the vaccine, restrictions can be lifted. |
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"I don't understand this. We have to isolate forever even after double vaccinations ?"
The double injections won't stop it dead, but will increase everyone's resistance, lower the chance of passing it on, and lower the duration and severity of the illness. The whole effect will be to bring down the R number, so that instead of the infected numbers continually increasing, they will decrease with each generation of the disease. Instead of numbers doubling every couple of weeks, the numbers should halve every couple of weeks, until after a few months it dies away to nothing.
Even if a new strain of covid then gets brought in from abroad, we should all have some resistance to it. So while there may be flare ups, they should be controllable and not restart the epidemic (though in worst case we might need to have annual vaccine top up programmes if we find the strain changes a lot or if the protection from the current vaccine starts to fade). |
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They dont have any immunity for potentially 3 weeks and they need the 2nd jab to get about 93-95% protection. People still need to be careful.
I have contacted the site to ask if we should have a symbol to show if people have had the Covid jab tobuld trust and confidence between members. I hope others will contact them too. |
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"They dont have any immunity for potentially 3 weeks and they need the 2nd jab to get about 93-95% protection. People still need to be careful.
I have contacted the site to ask if we should have a symbol to show if people have had the Covid jab tobuld trust and confidence between members. I hope others will contact them too."
What difference would that make. ? People shouldn’t be meeting until the whole of the country is told it’s safe.to do so . Not because two people have had the jab |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"They dont have any immunity for potentially 3 weeks and they need the 2nd jab to get about 93-95% protection. People still need to be careful.
I have contacted the site to ask if we should have a symbol to show if people have had the Covid jab tobuld trust and confidence between members. I hope others will contact them too.
What difference would that make. ? People shouldn’t be meeting until the whole of the country is told it’s safe.to do so . Not because two people have had the jab "
Agree with you, but at this point my left hand is about to go on strike!
Don’t worry though, I am giving it a pay rise and a well needed rest
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I don't understand this. We have to isolate forever even after double vaccinations ?
The double injections won't stop it dead, but will increase everyone's resistance, lower the chance of passing it on, and lower the duration and severity of the illness. The whole effect will be to bring down the R number, so that instead of the infected numbers continually increasing, they will decrease with each generation of the disease. Instead of numbers doubling every couple of weeks, the numbers should halve every couple of weeks, until after a few months it dies away to nothing.
Even if a new strain of covid then gets brought in from abroad, we should all have some resistance to it. So while there may be flare ups, they should be controllable and not restart the epidemic (though in worst case we might need to have annual vaccine top up programmes if we find the strain changes a lot or if the protection from the current vaccine starts to fade)."
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"I don't understand this. We have to isolate forever even after double vaccinations ?"
No just to the point where enough people have had the vaccination, It seems those refusing to be vaccinated are going to struggle to avoid being around an awful lot of asymptomatic people, if you're vaccinated that won't matter to you personally.
It does throw up more problems as well, what countries are going to want asymptomatic tourists arriving on their shores if they haven't fully vaccinated their own population for example. |
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Yes, I've tried to get this across to my father, but early dementia and all that. He's told me the same anecdote he first told me before Christmas about 25 times now, for example, and lost the ability to remember how long ago things happened. But he seems to remember he's had this injection and wants to get on the train to visit... |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"I've been speaking to a friend who works with infectious diseases.
Seems there is a problem with those who have been vaccinated that they think they are immune almost as soon as they have had the injection.
It is feared that all the good work with vaccinating people will be undone.
It's a numbers game and until the numbers of infections in total are low then those who are vaccinated still need to take precautions and so do we when we are around them."
All this should be explained when you get the injection |
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"I've been speaking to a friend who works with infectious diseases.
Seems there is a problem with those who have been vaccinated that they think they are immune almost as soon as they have had the injection.
It is feared that all the good work with vaccinating people will be undone.
It's a numbers game and until the numbers of infections in total are low then those who are vaccinated still need to take precautions and so do we when we are around them.All this should be explained when you get the injection"
It is. They get it verbally explained and given a leaflet. |
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"Yes, many think they will get permanent immunity whilst it just is temporary.I dont think that the mainstream media have ever mentioned it have they?"
Likely not, because it's somewhere between a misunderstanding and a lie  |
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By *hagTonightMan
over a year ago
From the land of haribos. |
"Yes, many think they will get permanent immunity whilst it just is temporary.I dont think that the mainstream media have ever mentioned it have they?
Likely not, because it's somewhere between a misunderstanding and a lie "
You mean that how they dont tell the viewers about it? |
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"Yes, many think they will get permanent immunity whilst it just is temporary.I dont think that the mainstream media have ever mentioned it have they?
Likely not, because it's somewhere between a misunderstanding and a lie You mean that how they dont tell the viewers about it?"
Nope. I mean that *you're* repeatedly sharing misinformation. |
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By *hagTonightMan
over a year ago
From the land of haribos. |
"Yes, many think they will get permanent immunity whilst it just is temporary.I dont think that the mainstream media have ever mentioned it have they?
Likely not, because it's somewhere between a misunderstanding and a lie You mean that how they dont tell the viewers about it?
Nope. I mean that *you're* repeatedly sharing misinformation."
I would disagree with that. |
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By *hagTonightMan
over a year ago
From the land of haribos. |
"Yes, many think they will get permanent immunity whilst it just is temporary.I dont think that the mainstream media have ever mentioned it have they?
Likely not, because it's somewhere between a misunderstanding and a lie You mean that how they dont tell the viewers about it?
Nope. I mean that *you're* repeatedly sharing misinformation.I would disagree with that."
Studies have shown that the antibodies after covid vaccination will last for three months, so one might have to get it 3 to 4 times a year. |
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"Yes, many think they will get permanent immunity whilst it just is temporary.I dont think that the mainstream media have ever mentioned it have they?
Likely not, because it's somewhere between a misunderstanding and a lie You mean that how they dont tell the viewers about it?
Nope. I mean that *you're* repeatedly sharing misinformation.I would disagree with that.Studies have shown that the antibodies after covid vaccination will last for three months, so one might have to get it 3 to 4 times a year."
Studies have shown that they last for a few months *so far* because that's as long as we've been able to measure.
Please stop trying to mislead people. |
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By *hagTonightMan
over a year ago
From the land of haribos. |
"Yes, many think they will get permanent immunity whilst it just is temporary.I dont think that the mainstream media have ever mentioned it have they?
Likely not, because it's somewhere between a misunderstanding and a lie You mean that how they dont tell the viewers about it?
Nope. I mean that *you're* repeatedly sharing misinformation.I would disagree with that.Studies have shown that the antibodies after covid vaccination will last for three months, so one might have to get it 3 to 4 times a year.
Studies have shown that they last for a few months *so far* because that's as long as we've been able to measure.
Please stop trying to mislead people."
We have to agree to disagree. |
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"Yes, many think they will get permanent immunity whilst it just is temporary.I dont think that the mainstream media have ever mentioned it have they?
Likely not, because it's somewhere between a misunderstanding and a lie You mean that how they dont tell the viewers about it?
Nope. I mean that *you're* repeatedly sharing misinformation.I would disagree with that.Studies have shown that the antibodies after covid vaccination will last for three months, so one might have to get it 3 to 4 times a year.
Studies have shown that they last for a few months *so far* because that's as long as we've been able to measure.
Please stop trying to mislead people.We have to agree to disagree."
You're entitled to your opinion. You're not entitled to facts, and you're not entitled to state whatever you like without being rebutted. |
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By *hagTonightMan
over a year ago
From the land of haribos. |
"Yes, many think they will get permanent immunity whilst it just is temporary.I dont think that the mainstream media have ever mentioned it have they?
Likely not, because it's somewhere between a misunderstanding and a lie You mean that how they dont tell the viewers about it?
Nope. I mean that *you're* repeatedly sharing misinformation.I would disagree with that.Studies have shown that the antibodies after covid vaccination will last for three months, so one might have to get it 3 to 4 times a year.
Studies have shown that they last for a few months *so far* because that's as long as we've been able to measure.
Please stop trying to mislead people.We have to agree to disagree.
You're entitled to your opinion. You're not entitled to facts, and you're not entitled to state whatever you like without being rebutted."
It is not misleading as there alot of information about it. |
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"Yes, many think they will get permanent immunity whilst it just is temporary.I dont think that the mainstream media have ever mentioned it have they?
Likely not, because it's somewhere between a misunderstanding and a lie You mean that how they dont tell the viewers about it?
Nope. I mean that *you're* repeatedly sharing misinformation.I would disagree with that.Studies have shown that the antibodies after covid vaccination will last for three months, so one might have to get it 3 to 4 times a year.
Studies have shown that they last for a few months *so far* because that's as long as we've been able to measure.
Please stop trying to mislead people.We have to agree to disagree.
You're entitled to your opinion. You're not entitled to facts, and you're not entitled to state whatever you like without being rebutted.It is not misleading as there alot of information about it."
Yes, and you are quoting it in a misleading fashion. |
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"Yes, many think they will get permanent immunity whilst it just is temporary.I dont think that the mainstream media have ever mentioned it have they?
Likely not, because it's somewhere between a misunderstanding and a lie You mean that how they dont tell the viewers about it?
Nope. I mean that *you're* repeatedly sharing misinformation.I would disagree with that.Studies have shown that the antibodies after covid vaccination will last for three months, so one might have to get it 3 to 4 times a year.
Studies have shown that they last for a few months *so far* because that's as long as we've been able to measure.
Please stop trying to mislead people.We have to agree to disagree.
You're entitled to your opinion. You're not entitled to facts, and you're not entitled to state whatever you like without being rebutted.It is not misleading as there alot of information about it.
Yes, and you are quoting it in a misleading fashion."
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"Yes, many think they will get permanent immunity whilst it just is temporary.I dont think that the mainstream media have ever mentioned it have they?
Likely not, because it's somewhere between a misunderstanding and a lie You mean that how they dont tell the viewers about it?
Nope. I mean that *you're* repeatedly sharing misinformation.I would disagree with that.Studies have shown that the antibodies after covid vaccination will last for three months, so one might have to get it 3 to 4 times a year.
Studies have shown that they last for a few months *so far* because that's as long as we've been able to measure.
Please stop trying to mislead people.We have to agree to disagree.
You're entitled to your opinion. You're not entitled to facts, and you're not entitled to state whatever you like without being rebutted.It is not misleading as there alot of information about it."
Sigh.. the data atm shows 5 months immunity guess why? They only have 5 months worth of data and immunity is still there. With every month the immunity will hopefully grow. Is that what you mean by temporary immunity? It’s like saying humans only live until the age of ten when the first human was ten. |
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"Yes, many think they will get permanent immunity whilst it just is temporary.I dont think that the mainstream media have ever mentioned it have they?
Likely not, because it's somewhere between a misunderstanding and a lie You mean that how they dont tell the viewers about it?
Nope. I mean that *you're* repeatedly sharing misinformation.I would disagree with that.Studies have shown that the antibodies after covid vaccination will last for three months, so one might have to get it 3 to 4 times a year.
Studies have shown that they last for a few months *so far* because that's as long as we've been able to measure.
Please stop trying to mislead people.We have to agree to disagree.
You're entitled to your opinion. You're not entitled to facts, and you're not entitled to state whatever you like without being rebutted.It is not misleading as there alot of information about it.
Yes, and you are quoting it in a misleading fashion.
I always feel safer in the forums when you are on.
The internet is a safer and sexier place due to your presence
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"It seems you are both saying the same thing, that as far as the studies have said, the vaccine so far has proven to last a few months. "
It’s not what toy say it’s the way you say it
- wow the vaccine is still proving to provide immunity five months later
Or
- eek the vaccine only gives a proven immunity for five months
Depends on the spin you want |
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"Yes, many think they will get permanent immunity whilst it just is temporary.I dont think that the mainstream media have ever mentioned it have they?
Likely not, because it's somewhere between a misunderstanding and a lie You mean that how they dont tell the viewers about it?
Nope. I mean that *you're* repeatedly sharing misinformation.I would disagree with that.Studies have shown that the antibodies after covid vaccination will last for three months, so one might have to get it 3 to 4 times a year.
Studies have shown that they last for a few months *so far* because that's as long as we've been able to measure.
Please stop trying to mislead people.We have to agree to disagree.
You're entitled to your opinion. You're not entitled to facts, and you're not entitled to state whatever you like without being rebutted.It is not misleading as there alot of information about it.
Sigh.. the data atm shows 5 months immunity guess why? They only have 5 months worth of data and immunity is still there. With every month the immunity will hopefully grow. Is that what you mean by temporary immunity? It’s like saying humans only live until the age of ten when the first human was ten. "
Yes.
Studies show that Swing, born in 1985, will not live to 40, because 2021-1985 is a number less than 40, and it's 2021.
That's not how this works
I don't know if I'll live to be 40. We don't know if the immunity will last. It's foolish to make predictions on this basis. |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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It seems you are both saying the same thing, that as far as the studies have said, the vaccine so far has proven to last a few months.
It doesn't yet say we will need to have one every few months shag, the studies are ongoing |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Yes, many think they will get permanent immunity whilst it just is temporary.I dont think that the mainstream media have ever mentioned it have they?
Likely not, because it's somewhere between a misunderstanding and a lie You mean that how they dont tell the viewers about it?
Nope. I mean that *you're* repeatedly sharing misinformation.I would disagree with that.Studies have shown that the antibodies after covid vaccination will last for three months, so one might have to get it 3 to 4 times a year.
Studies have shown that they last for a few months *so far* because that's as long as we've been able to measure.
Please stop trying to mislead people.We have to agree to disagree.
You're entitled to your opinion. You're not entitled to facts, and you're not entitled to state whatever you like without being rebutted.It is not misleading as there alot of information about it.
Yes, and you are quoting it in a misleading fashion."
It's this very argument that leads many to think once they've had the vacine they can do what they like.
I'm still amazed at how many think this way.
There are many people who feel giving false hope is best. It's not.
Until we have evidence to show the vaccine is a long term solution, it needs to be treated as a short term one and everyone still needs to follow restrictions and limit our movement and physical interactions to essential only. |
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By *ljamMan
over a year ago
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"It seems you are both saying the same thing, that as far as the studies have said, the vaccine so far has proven to last a few months.
It doesn't yet say we will need to have one every few months shag, the studies are ongoing"
The difference is that shag is saying that vaccines give you 4 months protection, full stop. You'll need to get three vaccinations a year. This is a load of crap. The vaccines are new enough that you can't say how much immunity will remain after six months or a year. There simply hasn't been the time to find out. So saying you'll need x amount of vaccinations a year is straightforward misinformation. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Studies on 60000 or so (mostly nhs staff) show that those recovered from virus or infected asymptomatically have immunity for a minimum of 5 months as the study took place over a 5 month period. Therefore it may (or not) last longer. We will know more as the study progresses. |
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"It seems you are both saying the same thing, that as far as the studies have said, the vaccine so far has proven to last a few months.
It doesn't yet say we will need to have one every few months shag, the studies are ongoing
The difference is that shag is saying that vaccines give you 4 months protection, full stop. You'll need to get three vaccinations a year. This is a load of crap. The vaccines are new enough that you can't say how much immunity will remain after six months or a year. There simply hasn't been the time to find out. So saying you'll need x amount of vaccinations a year is straightforward misinformation. "
Tou are right it is misinformation and the only reason we have come to the conclusion that people probably have 5 months immunity if they have contracted the virus and about 4 if they have had the vaccine is because we don't have any data for the longer term. |
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"Studies on 60000 or so (mostly nhs staff) show that those recovered from virus or infected asymptomatically have immunity for a minimum of 5 months as the study took place over a 5 month period. Therefore it may (or not) last longer. We will know more as the study progresses."
Yes. Disease based immunity may last up to eight months so far.
The manufacturers are saying we hope vaccine induced immunity will last a year. It may last longer. We don't know yet. We'll find out.
Trying to minimise the effects of interventions seems counterproductive at best, the way it's been put is misleading, and as seen elsewhere on this forum, this has real consequences. |
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By *ljamMan
over a year ago
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"It seems you are both saying the same thing, that as far as the studies have said, the vaccine so far has proven to last a few months. Yes. I find that we are saying the same thing too."
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"Thanks God my grandpa is well educated to realise he won't taking untested and rushed vaccine"
My Grandad was due to have the vaccine today but instead he's in hospital with Covid. Caught from the relatives who live with him and who have denied Covid and who have now put him at risk.
I hope your Grandad does not catch Covid. |
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"I don't understand this. We have to isolate forever even after double vaccinations ?"
In a word YES.....
Below is what it says on gov.uk website
"The vaccine cannot give you COVID-19 infection, and a full course will reduce your chance of becoming seriously ill. WE DO NOT yet know whether it will stop you from catching and passing on the virus, but we do EXPECT it to reduce this risk. So, it is still important to follow the guidance in your local area to protect those around you.
To protect yourself and your family, friends and colleagues you still need to:
practice social distancing
wear a face mask
wash your hands carefully and frequently
follow the current guidance" |
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By *hagTonightMan
over a year ago
From the land of haribos. |
"It seems you are both saying the same thing, that as far as the studies have said, the vaccine so far has proven to last a few months.
It doesn't yet say we will need to have one every few months shag, the studies are ongoing
The difference is that shag is saying that vaccines give you 4 months protection, full stop. You'll need to get three vaccinations a year. This is a load of crap. The vaccines are new enough that you can't say how much immunity will remain after six months or a year. There simply hasn't been the time to find out. So saying you'll need x amount of vaccinations a year is straightforward misinformation. "
I did say about 3 to 4 months as I read the study, but yes it could be longer between it, as noone knows for sure yet. |
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So glad I posted about this. Seems there is a huge amount of misunderstanding about how vaccines work.
Getting the vaccine is just reducing your odds - with the Astra vaccine on 2 doses it is 70% and the Pfizer on 2 doses 95% roughly. So, you've still got a 3 in 10 or 1 in 20 ability to catch covid.
As more people get vaccinated, the number of people you come into contact with who have covid gets less so your odds improve.
The odds aren't good enough right now but they are heading there.
Please obey the rules even after vaccination if not for yourselves but for the NHS workers and for others vulnerable people. |
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My mum has had both Pfizer vaccines, the second two weeks ago. Today she chose to hug me. After 10 months of no physical contact whatsoever she was overjoyed. I know it is not advised but it was lovely. |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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"It seems you are both saying the same thing, that as far as the studies have said, the vaccine so far has proven to last a few months. Yes. I find that we are saying the same thing too."
I did send that too early and had posted again after it saying we won't be getting one every three months though.
I didn't delete the first one as someone had already quoted it
Now that you know what you say isn't right hopefully you won't repeat it |
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"They dont have any immunity for potentially 3 weeks and they need the 2nd jab to get about 93-95% protection. People still need to be careful.
I have contacted the site to ask if we should have a symbol to show if people have had the Covid jab tobuld trust and confidence between members. I hope others will contact them too.
What difference would that make. ? People shouldn’t be meeting until the whole of the country is told it’s safe.to do so . Not because two people have had the jab "
And what would stop people who hadn't had it from ticking it anway? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Three weeks after someone has had both Pfizer vaccinations, why do they still need to take precautions ? Does that mean the vaccine doesn't work ? "
they say it isnt guaranteed to do anything. |
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"Three weeks after someone has had both Pfizer vaccinations, why do they still need to take precautions ? Does that mean the vaccine doesn't work ?
they say it isnt guaranteed to do anything."
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"I don't understand this. We have to isolate forever even after double vaccinations ?
In a word YES.....
Below is what it says on gov.uk website
"The vaccine cannot give you COVID-19 infection, and a full course will reduce your chance of becoming seriously ill. WE DO NOT yet know whether it will stop you from catching and passing on the virus, but we do EXPECT it to reduce this risk. So, it is still important to follow the guidance in your local area to protect those around you.
To protect yourself and your family, friends and colleagues you still need to:
practice social distancing
wear a face mask
wash your hands carefully and frequently
follow the current guidance""
Yep, that's about it.
To be fair the washing of dirty mitts should be a given, remember your mum saying wash your hands before your tea.
Incidentally, before this virus I nipped into Macdonald's for a coffee and only heard one mum saying to her little lad, wash your hands first.
My nan had a bathroom cabinet that contained more prescription drugs than a mobile Boots, most of them were friends prescriptions as Elsie down the road swore blind that her tablets were much better for pain than the ones my nan's GP prescribed.
Got to love them.
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By *eukcplCouple
over a year ago
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"Thanks God my grandpa is well educated to realise he won't taking untested and rushed vaccine
Think he needs more education tbh "
What gives you the idea her grandpa needs more educating.
Please elaborate on your answer as that just sounds like another bully answer to someone who disagree's with your beliefs |
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By *eukcplCouple
over a year ago
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they say it isnt guaranteed to do anything.
No they don't. They say it offers 99% protection"
Not what matt hancock said the day before he had to isolate again.
He said
We dont know if it stops you getting it.
We dont know if it stops you spreading it.
We dont know if it stops you getting really poorly.
That's why we have to maintain the rules |
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