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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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so they have got rid of it in New Zealand and having music festivals.. if you were having an end of social distancing sweepstake.. when do you think our end of social distancing will be. Would you accept a quicker end and maybe accept a return to another lockdown.
gaze into the future with me.. would you meet as soon as the end of social distancing is announced?
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By *asIsaCouple
over a year ago
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"so they have got rid of it in New Zealand and having music festivals.. if you were having an end of social distancing sweepstake.. when do you think our end of social distancing will be. Would you accept a quicker end and maybe accept a return to another lockdown.
gaze into the future with me.. would you meet as soon as the end of social distancing is announced?
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2022/2023 |
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We are an Island just like New Zealand, but our Knob jockey government haven't for what ever reason stopped all the in coming flights there fore we won't be rid of this virus, so it will be an on going thing  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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New Zealand are only just fully opening everything now with no social distancing and they haven't had any major cases from months so unfortunately I think we are a good 18 months away.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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to be fair NZ is at the ends of the Earth.. the sea that separates them from everyone is much bigger than the channel... tho we should have have employed similar strategies managing incoming travellers.. will never understand why we didn't
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By *ty31Man
over a year ago
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"Tenner says November this year... no reasoning behind it. Just what I think "
Hate to be pessimistic but certain scientists are saying we can expect enforced closures and face coverings next winter too.
I hope not |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Tenner says November this year... no reasoning behind it. Just what I think
Hate to be pessimistic but certain scientists are saying we can expect enforced closures and face coverings next winter too.
I hope not"
If the whole adult population is meant to be vaccinated by October then why? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Tenner says November this year... no reasoning behind it. Just what I think
Hate to be pessimistic but certain scientists are saying we can expect enforced closures and face coverings next winter too.
I hope not
If the whole adult population is meant to be vaccinated by October then why? "
That is with the 1st dose and by which time we will be entering cold and flu session again so we are realistically looking at January next year before everyone has had both shots. |
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By *ty31Man
over a year ago
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"Tenner says November this year... no reasoning behind it. Just what I think
Hate to be pessimistic but certain scientists are saying we can expect enforced closures and face coverings next winter too.
I hope not
If the whole adult population is meant to be vaccinated by October then why?
That is with the 1st dose and by which time we will be entering cold and flu session again so we are realistically looking at January next year before everyone has had both shots."
I saw a quote (from either a govt minister or a scientist) that the covid jab may be required yearly (like the flu jab) |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Tenner says November this year... no reasoning behind it. Just what I think
Hate to be pessimistic but certain scientists are saying we can expect enforced closures and face coverings next winter too.
I hope not
If the whole adult population is meant to be vaccinated by October then why?
That is with the 1st dose and by which time we will be entering cold and flu session again so we are realistically looking at January next year before everyone has had both shots."
I guess it will be a waiting game to see what impact vaccination has on hospital admissions
Even with just a single dose, hopefully a level of protection will be achieved which will reduce hospital admissions to a manageable level, plus by the autumn, the elderly and clinically vulnerable, along with health and care workers should have had their second doses which will hopefully have a big impact on reducing those who would have been most at risk from ending up in hospital from doing so
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Tenner says November this year... no reasoning behind it. Just what I think
Hate to be pessimistic but certain scientists are saying we can expect enforced closures and face coverings next winter too.
I hope not
If the whole adult population is meant to be vaccinated by October then why?
That is with the 1st dose and by which time we will be entering cold and flu session again so we are realistically looking at January next year before everyone has had both shots.
I saw a quote (from either a govt minister or a scientist) that the covid jab may be required yearly (like the flu jab)"
Its possible.
We just Don't know enough yet but it is definitely a step in the right direction. |
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By *asIsaCouple
over a year ago
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"Tenner says November this year... no reasoning behind it. Just what I think
Hate to be pessimistic but certain scientists are saying we can expect enforced closures and face coverings next winter too.
I hope not
If the whole adult population is meant to be vaccinated by October then why?
That is with the 1st dose and by which time we will be entering cold and flu session again so we are realistically looking at January next year before everyone has had both shots."
By which time there is a strong possibility that the virus will mutate and evade the current vaccines |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Tenner says November this year... no reasoning behind it. Just what I think
Hate to be pessimistic but certain scientists are saying we can expect enforced closures and face coverings next winter too.
I hope not
If the whole adult population is meant to be vaccinated by October then why?
That is with the 1st dose and by which time we will be entering cold and flu session again so we are realistically looking at January next year before everyone has had both shots.
By which time there is a strong possibility that the virus will mutate and evade the current vaccines"
As others have said it could well be the same as the flu vaccine and we have to have a yearly for this very reason.
I think the now it's all just speculation though isn't it. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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will be interesting to see how things are after Easter and going into May. Rumours are Glastonbury hoping for 2022..
But will social distancing be tiered do you think.. so some parts of the country allowing it..
btw i wonder if people were fucking in Cornwall when they were tier 1
when social distancing is not mandatory do you think they'll keep sanitising stations..? There'll be some transition I think.. i just want theatres and live music to return
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By *j48Man
over a year ago
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Ffs
Just open everything up..
People should be allowed to decide for themselves..
Half arsed "lockdowns" don't work..
10 months wasted on an inabilty to make a decision...
A bloody farce |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"We are an Island just like New Zealand, but our Knob jockey government haven't for what ever reason stopped all the in coming flights there fore we won't be rid of this virus, so it will be an on going thing "
What is wrong with you your government is brilliant and your PM is amazing no pleasing some people |
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Could it be that the people of NZ and other countries in the far east, actually listened and stayed in during their lockdown. As a courier driver in South Wales i sometimes forget there is a lockdown on the amount of traffic on the roads |
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"Tenner says November this year... no reasoning behind it. Just what I think
Hate to be pessimistic but certain scientists are saying we can expect enforced closures and face coverings next winter too.
I hope not
If the whole adult population is meant to be vaccinated by October then why?
That is with the 1st dose and by which time we will be entering cold and flu session again so we are realistically looking at January next year before everyone has had both shots."
If the companies can produce enough, not only for the UK but the world..... |
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"We are an Island just like New Zealand, but our Knob jockey government haven't for what ever reason stopped all the in coming flights there fore we won't be rid of this virus, so it will be an on going thing
What is wrong with you your government is brilliant and your PM is amazing no pleasing some people"
I think he’s talking about UK not NZ government |
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By *ty31Man
over a year ago
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"Could it be that the people of NZ and other countries in the far east, actually listened and stayed in during their lockdown. As a courier driver in South Wales i sometimes forget there is a lockdown on the amount of traffic on the roads"
Or that NZ is in the rare position of having a sparse population, a favourable climate and being a largely self dependant island?
As for Asian countries, I think the average Asian is healthier than the average European. |
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"We are an Island just like New Zealand, but our Knob jockey government haven't for what ever reason stopped all the in coming flights there fore we won't be rid of this virus, so it will be an on going thing "
9 months on and it’s not sunk in yet! By the time NZ locked down the UK already had 10’s of thousands already infected. I reckon more international travellers pass through Heathrow in a day than pass though all NZ’s international airports in a month. Lockdown is not a means to end a virus, it only puts the breaks on to try restrict the pressure on hospitals. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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yes NZ is not comparable really but we should have made people quarantine.... Wittys excuse still seems shit now..
.. wouldn't have made much difference.. bugger off.. yes we already had cases but it would've made a difference
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By (user no longer on site)
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"so they have got rid of it in New Zealand and having music festivals.. if you were having an end of social distancing sweepstake.. when do you think our end of social distancing will be. Would you accept a quicker end and maybe accept a return to another lockdown.
gaze into the future with me.. would you meet as soon as the end of social distancing is announced?
d"
It's rather silly trying to compare. UK is a massive world travel hub and the virus was already here last January, so even if we'd known more then and closed all boarders in March time when people seep saying it wouldn't have made any difference. Many didn't follow restrictions, people demonstrated about ideologies that they know longer care about and didn't understand then back then either. It just suited an excuse to get out. The virus spread not because of people traveling into the country after March but because they acted irresponsibly after March.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"We are an Island just like New Zealand, but our Knob jockey government haven't for what ever reason stopped all the in coming flights there fore we won't be rid of this virus, so it will be an on going thing
9 months on and it’s not sunk in yet! By the time NZ locked down the UK already had 10’s of thousands already infected. I reckon more international travellers pass through Heathrow in a day than pass though all NZ’s international airports in a month. Lockdown is not a means to end a virus, it only puts the breaks on to try restrict the pressure on hospitals. "
This all the best way. |
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"so they have got rid of it in New Zealand and having music festivals.. if you were having an end of social distancing sweepstake.. when do you think our end of social distancing will be. Would you accept a quicker end and maybe accept a return to another lockdown.
gaze into the future with me.. would you meet as soon as the end of social distancing is announced?
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I'd be happier to go to NZ as soon as things get relaxed a bit more ...than I would trust a lot of what would be happening in the UK once the ban is lifted ..
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"so they have got rid of it in New Zealand and having music festivals.. if you were having an end of social distancing sweepstake.. when do you think our end of social distancing will be. Would you accept a quicker end and maybe accept a return to another lockdown.
gaze into the future with me.. would you meet as soon as the end of social distancing is announced?
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It's rather silly trying to compare. UK is a massive world travel hub and the virus was already here last January, so even if we'd known more then and closed all boarders in March time when people seep saying it wouldn't have made any difference. Many didn't follow restrictions, people demonstrated about ideologies that they know longer care about and didn't understand then back then either. It just suited an excuse to get out. The virus spread not because of people traveling into the country after March but because they acted irresponsibly after March.
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we were basically the only country in the world not to limit entry!! we are only doing that now
but NZ was always a different case.. our travel hub nature was always the issue
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By *lex46TV/TS
over a year ago
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"We are an Island just like New Zealand, but our Knob jockey government haven't for what ever reason stopped all the in coming flights there fore we won't be rid of this virus, so it will be an on going thing "
Your Geography is not Brilliant. New Zealand is two islands in the middle of nowhere. Its over 2,500 miles from Australia, its nearest neighbour.
New Zealand is a similar size as the UK and only has just over 4 million population. There is more than double that in just the South East of England.
These are the main reasons New Zealand has been covid free. |
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We don't have a published plan from the government. It stops them being held as accountable as they should be.
I'm assuming it will be another phased approach, with indoor gatherings limited in size until at least 2022. Outdoor gatherings probably the same. If we go beyond next winter well, for most things, we should be able to gauge the success of vaccination, inbound traveller control etc.
Pubs, shops etc may keep some distancing measures the same but the public may relax a lot once we don't have huge levels of infection causing bigger problems.
Vaccine supplies are the hard weakness for us this year. With good continuity of supplies, we should make sound progress. We need high uptake from the hesitant etc. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"We are an Island just like New Zealand, but our Knob jockey government haven't for what ever reason stopped all the in coming flights there fore we won't be rid of this virus, so it will be an on going thing What is wrong with you your government is brilliant and your PM is amazing no pleasing some people"
You are joking right. |
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"Ffs
Just open everything up..
People should be allowed to decide for themselves..
Half arsed "lockdowns" don't work..
10 months wasted on an inabilty to make a decision...
A bloody farce "
I have to agree with some of the earlier comments re the failure of our government to restrict incomers much earlier. I was in Bourton on the water 29/2 this year and it was overrun with Chinese tourists which unusually were not wearing any form of face covering. I must admit I found it odd at the time but didn't think anymore of it as a pandemic here seemed like an impossibility? Shows I should have gone with first instinct?  |
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"so they have got rid of it in New Zealand and having music festivals.. if you were having an end of social distancing sweepstake.. when do you think our end of social distancing will be. Would you accept a quicker end and maybe accept a return to another lockdown.
gaze into the future with me.. would you meet as soon as the end of social distancing is announced?
d"
Plenty of people still need to start distancing yet 
So many absolute knobends out there that just shove their way past when there is plenty of room. Pisses me right off.
As to your question, lockdown is doing my head in now, but I'd prefer to ease out of it slowly rather than keep bouncing back and forth. |
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By *lansmanMan
over a year ago
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"Ffs
Just open everything up..
People should be allowed to decide for themselves..
Half arsed "lockdowns" don't work..
10 months wasted on an inabilty to make a decision...
A bloody farce
I have to agree with some of the earlier comments re the failure of our government to restrict incomers much earlier. I was in Bourton on the water 29/2 this year and it was overrun with Chinese tourists which unusually were not wearing any form of face covering. I must admit I found it odd at the time but didn't think anymore of it as a pandemic here seemed like an impossibility? Shows I should have gone with first instinct? "
Steady there ... it's only the british who are irresponsible and travelling all over... |
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Well I doubt there will be many festivals in the UK this summer. Glastonbury has officially cancelled today. They start to set up 3 or 4 months before and I guess make bookings before that. Paying out for all of that, without being covered by insurance, and then have it cancelled would put the future of the festival at risk.
I'd guess end of Summer for the end of social distancing, late August, if we haven't got over it by then, we could be heading for a 2 year pandemic, which has happened in the past.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Ffs
Just open everything up..
People should be allowed to decide for themselves..
Half arsed "lockdowns" don't work..
10 months wasted on an inabilty to make a decision...
A bloody farce
I have to agree with some of the earlier comments re the failure of our government to restrict incomers much earlier. I was in Bourton on the water 29/2 this year and it was overrun with Chinese tourists which unusually were not wearing any form of face covering. I must admit I found it odd at the time but didn't think anymore of it as a pandemic here seemed like an impossibility? Shows I should have gone with first instinct?
Steady there ... it's only the british who are irresponsible and travelling all over..."
I regularly used to drive Chinese visitors around. I have never known them to wear face masks when in this country. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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question : is social distancing.. over such a long period.. the hardest thing you've ever had to do personally? do you think its the hardest thing a/your community has had to do as i goes against all human nature? Do you think it will effect mankind in the long run as wars and revolutions have? Have fear and paranoia ever been as high... some people would prefer to fight in a war or endure invasion than this
just night thoughts
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"question : is social distancing.. over such a long period.. the hardest thing you've ever had to do personally? do you think its the hardest thing a/your community has had to do as i goes against all human nature? Do you think it will effect mankind in the long run as wars and revolutions have? Have fear and paranoia ever been as high... some people would prefer to fight in a war or endure invasion than this
just night thoughts
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Personally ? No. Being an introvert, it's completely normal to me. This is how I lived my life pretty much before Covid and lockdown came about anyway. Sure, I may have popped out socially a few times a year more pre-covid, and ofc daily for work, but the latter is done from home and the former isn't possible so I don't feel I need to give it any thought.
For the wider community and others though ? For sure. Pretty devastating I imagine for so many reasons.
Yes, I do expect it to affect the general population as a whole like wars and revolutions have. Anger, fear, doubt, paranoia, depression and a whole raft of long-term socio-economic and mental and physical health issues for some will persist long after Covid has gone.
Would I prefer to fight in a war though ? No, certainly not.
1. Fighting an enemy usually involves killing other people just like me, with their own hopes, dreams and beliefs. It means you are being orchestrated by others above you who may not have your best interests at heart. The same goes for the "other side". It's a very thin "wedge" at the top who organise the war. The average person in the street has no need for it, nor desires it. The "wedge" drives the narrative and leverages "the people" if they consent to it. You dot have to consent to war, but that consent may come at a price. Only the individual can decide if they are prepared to pay it.
2. Endure invasion ? For someone to prefer to "endure invasion" rather than "this" means little more than changing your rulers but living under the same conditions, as covid comes with people.
In fact you'd be a lot worse off, as invasions bring supply chain issues, food unpredictability issues, military curfews, greater surveillance, and a harsher degree of enslavement.
Covid is a medical emergency. We are fighting a virus and not each other. We are fighting a virus as a human race against a common enemy.
We lose sight of that fact at our peril. |
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"so they have got rid of it in New Zealand and having music festivals.. if you were having an end of social distancing sweepstake.. when do you think our end of social distancing will be. Would you accept a quicker end and maybe accept a return to another lockdown.
gaze into the future with me.. would you meet as soon as the end of social distancing is announced?
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If the UK doesn't screw things up by going on holiday everywhere this summer I'd say we have a chance of starting to open life up in September when the kids go to school
If however people still don't follow rules and have a Summer like last yea?
We will be no further this time next year as we are now.. |
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"Tenner says November this year... no reasoning behind it. Just what I think
Hate to be pessimistic but certain scientists are saying we can expect enforced closures and face coverings next winter too.
I hope not
If the whole adult population is meant to be vaccinated by October then why? "
Probably a combination of an inept prime minister, foreign travel policy and idiots who still insist there's nothing to worry about.. Unfortunately ?? |
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"Ffs
Just open everything up..
People should be allowed to decide for themselves..
Its people who think like you.. Who are dragging this on and on.. Wise up!
Half arsed "lockdowns" don't work..
10 months wasted on an inabilty to make a decision...
A bloody farce "
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"Ffs
Just open everything up..
People should be allowed to decide for themselves..
Its people who think like you.. Who are dragging this on and on.. Wise up!
Half arsed "lockdowns" don't work..
10 months wasted on an inabilty to make a decision...
A bloody farce "
Just to be clear.. I did not say this?
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By *yn drwgMan
over a year ago
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"We are an Island just like New Zealand, but our Knob jockey government haven't for what ever reason stopped all the in coming flights there fore we won't be rid of this virus, so it will be an on going thing "
New Zealand's geography and population makes it impossible to compare with the UK, with a population of 5 million in a far larger land mass of 2 Island's. With the UK you have people entering illigaly every day in small boats across a strip of water 20 odd miles wide. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Ffs
Just open everything up..
People should be allowed to decide for themselves..
Half arsed "lockdowns" don't work..
10 months wasted on an inabilty to make a decision...
A bloody farce "
That's a contradictory statement. By opening everything up you are in effect taking away the rights of those not wanting to risk the virus spreading again? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"so any guesses for the end or suspension of social distancing?. d
I think social distancing will be around as good practice for most of this year, if not beyond "
That makes me so sad.
Reading a lot of the comments on this forum makes me think that some people are almost enjoying this epidemic and all the doom and gloom.
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"so any guesses for the end or suspension of social distancing?. d
I think social distancing will be around as good practice for most of this year, if not beyond
That makes me so sad.
Reading a lot of the comments on this forum makes me think that some people are almost enjoying this epidemic and all the doom and gloom.
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Likewise. However, personally I think until they’ve vaccinated all, steps like last year will remain. I’m definitely not enjoying it, but have accepted it for now |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Having already started seeing articles saying this may become an ongoing battle that will last decades and that some scientists are calling for a rethink to vaccine strategy (only protect high risk due to the constant change in virus).
I very much feel we’re being conditioned to the idea that the government may say that we will never lose social distancing. The idea that people won’t see family and friends for another couple of years is insane and, I think, would lead to riots and protests. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"it needs careful management but doors of society need to open at some point.. life is more than a screen
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110% this. The idea that the country is going to continue this style of life indefinitely should be pushed back on very hard. I have no intention of spending another year in lockdown/restricted living. If that means in 6 months I’m a cob idiot and breaking the law so be it. There has to be a line where the world says let’s live again. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"We are an Island just like New Zealand, but our Knob jockey government haven't for what ever reason stopped all the in coming flights there fore we won't be rid of this virus, so it will be an on going thing "
It's pointless making a comparison between New Zealand and the UK. Yes we're both islands, but that's where the similarity ends. You might just as well compare New Zealand with the Galapagos Islands, in comparison NZ has done poorly compared with them. |
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"so any guesses for the end or suspension of social distancing?. d"
I'd guess, if the vaccines work, then it could be the end of summer, if we haven't got on top of it by the end of summer then we could be in for a 2 year pandemic.
It's happened in the past, most last 1 year, every so often they go on for 2 years historically. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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gradual reopening with social distancing measures.. April /may
.. experiment with no social distancing.. when??
a lot of people might prefer the blitz yknow or a hug at the end of the world
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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some of us wouldn't mind a birching on the Isle of man either...
had my dementia riddled mother crying down phone at me the other day desperate to see grandkids.. buried her sister a few months ago the only way i could stop her crying was by plucking a memory out of her.. a holiday to the Isle of man in 70s..another place that has dropped social distancing.. hopefully our turn soon |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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also will the end of social distancing be implemented gradually.. or will massed gatherings come a long way after going round a mates house freely? seems odd that they were letting 2000 people into a footy ground in tier 2 not so long ago.. socially distanced of course
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"so any guesses for the end or suspension of social distancing?. d
I think social distancing will be around as good practice for most of this year, if not beyond
That makes me so sad.
Reading a lot of the comments on this forum makes me think that some people are almost enjoying this epidemic and all the doom and gloom.
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Indeed. There also seems to be a mentality, not just on here that if you even mention hoping for normality you are rounded on as selfish and reminded folk are dying blah blah blah. Everyone is aware of that but we can still hope for it to be over and getting out again surely? Not in some folks eyes it seems |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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it's almost the opposite of positive thinking. its quite ironic that this new way of life seems normal now, dystopia come true.. a dependance on technology, people existing in bubbles.. i think many will be too scared to come out even after the all clear is sounded. the fall out of this will last decades.. but i can't wait to see a crowd again or just people hugging on a train platform or an orgy of strangers again
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By *r9 cpleCouple
over a year ago
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I cant see how we can be compared to new zealand an island with roughly 5 million people populaton of UK 60 million London alone has 9million. China only owned up to it in January 2020 which proplbly means they knew about it 6 months earlier we where fighting a losing battle from the start no matter which party was in charge. |
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over a year ago
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"We are an Island just like New Zealand, but our Knob jockey government haven't for what ever reason stopped all the in coming flights there fore we won't be rid of this virus, so it will be an on going thing "
100%! “Elect a clown and expect a circus”.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I cant see how we can be compared to new zealand an island with roughly 5 million people populaton of UK 60 million London alone has 9million. China only owned up to it in January 2020 which proplbly means they knew about it 6 months earlier we where fighting a losing battle from the start no matter which party was in charge. "
I mean there is the big wet thing surrounding the uk? That’s similar for one.
Juiciness led NZ perfectly and was on the ball from day 1.
Johnson ordered the wrong ppe whilst his second in command drove to Scotland.
Stop comparing the numbers of populations as an excuse and look at the way they are managed!
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over a year ago
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i despise Johnson
but the big wet thing around new Zealand is like a thousand times bigger than our big wet thing.. utterly incomparable.. but yes we should quarantine properly
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My gut instinct is something like this
2021 : 1st Qtr (Jan-Mar)
With pressures easing on the NHS, and a vaccine strategy in place, the UK will continue to vac as many as it can with the stocks it has. Tracing of variants will continue as much as before.
2021 : 2nd Qtr (Apr-Jun)
Due to vac supply issues, the general vac program will slow down and there will be some reassignment of groups/categories. Approx 30% of the UK population vaccinated. Lockdown measures will continue, as 30% is not enough to reopen fully but some highly vaccinated area may step down to Tier 4. New variant detected and uncertainty about effectiveness of existing vaccines. Grave concern over some areas where infections are rising again. Additional local measures imposed.
2021 : 3nd Qtr (Jul-Sep)
Confirming data on diminished vaccine response to new variant. Enhanced vaccines in the pipeline but will take 3 mths to reverse-engineer. Astra Zeneca will lead with a revised Covid+ vaccine that covers all predominant variants. Will be ready in Xmas 2021.
More supplies of existing vaccine made available.
2021 : 4th Qtr (Oct-Dec)
New variant wave subsiding. Still a few areas in enhanced lockdown. Rapid vaccination brings UK vaccination rate to approx 55 %. Covid+ Vaccine starts rolling out early Dec and adds another 3-4% to the overall total. Areas in enhanced lockdown leave by Dec. Overall lockdown ends, with most areas moved to Tier 4 again.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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wow so you're saying basic lockdown for the whole year... will change the face of society forever.. im hoping for tiers in April.. the scourge of social distancing has to be curtailed at least experimentally in the summer in my view
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Sadly, I feel that will be the experience for most of the year at least. There will of course be some tinkering around the edges, with a few areas moving down a tier, staying there a while, perhaps moving back up again, etc. A bit like a ship's captain making regular course corrections on a voyage. Except we are sailing in unchartered waters, so I expect more course corrections.
And regardless of what we do, we are not an isolated nation, and neither are most other countries. So I fully anticipate some "inter-play" between how we manage and how others manage. It's a vast spider's web of co-dependency and inter-connection.
And as for changing the face of society forever, that's already happened in numerous areas, some subtle and some not so subtle.
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I suspect restrictions lifted for Easter Bank Holidays, a bit of sunshine, bbqs and another massive surge in infections. Lockdown until late May Bank Holiday. Repeat until enough of us are dead or infected for herd immunity.
Oh and being an island works both ways - other countries will ban us from travel site to our abismal infection rates |
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They really need to be lifting restrictions sooner rather than later. If it were to be for the rest of this year then that will scupper the uptake of the vaccine. We were assured the only way back to normality was the vaccine and in particular vaccinating the vulnerable. If we remain in lockdown as we are then where's the incentive for anyone taking the vaccine |
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"They really need to be lifting restrictions sooner rather than later. If it were to be for the rest of this year then that will scupper the uptake of the vaccine. We were assured the only way back to normality was the vaccine and in particular vaccinating the vulnerable. If we remain in lockdown as we are then where's the incentive for anyone taking the vaccine"
That incentive would be that if there aren't enough people taking the vaccine, we'll stay in partial lockdown forever. And when other countries overtake us in their vaccine takeup rate, then we'll all be stuck taking our holidays on this godforsaken cold wet island forever. Skegness in the rain anybody? |
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over a year ago
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we are vaccinating a lot more than other countries cos we are rich.. did i hear 1 in 4 adults already.. over 12 million is really quite good.. there must be a little bit of acceptance of human contact before the masses are lost and they do their own thing anyway. Without martial law you won't be able to police it.. social media shaming won't do it on its own
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"They really need to be lifting restrictions sooner rather than later. If it were to be for the rest of this year then that will scupper the uptake of the vaccine. We were assured the only way back to normality was the vaccine and in particular vaccinating the vulnerable. If we remain in lockdown as we are then where's the incentive for anyone taking the vaccine"
That's logical.
"If you don't let me do what I want now, I'll refuse to do the thing that you say I need to do to help me do what I want".
I think we call that cutting off your nose to spite your face |
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"They really need to be lifting restrictions sooner rather than later. If it were to be for the rest of this year then that will scupper the uptake of the vaccine. We were assured the only way back to normality was the vaccine and in particular vaccinating the vulnerable. If we remain in lockdown as we are then where's the incentive for anyone taking the vaccine
That incentive would be that if there aren't enough people taking the vaccine, we'll stay in partial lockdown forever. And when other countries overtake us in their vaccine takeup rate, then we'll all be stuck taking our holidays on this godforsaken cold wet island forever. Skegness in the rain anybody?"
As I'm saying, if the government don't move to ease restrictions this year as the poster above predicted then that incentive is gone. No holiday without vaccine, no holiday with vaccine. They can't expect people to continually sacrifice and get nothing back. We can't even expect to send schools back in march and have everyone else still locked down. We simply cannot have another year of this as the poster I was responding to predicts. |
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"They really need to be lifting restrictions sooner rather than later. If it were to be for the rest of this year then that will scupper the uptake of the vaccine. We were assured the only way back to normality was the vaccine and in particular vaccinating the vulnerable. If we remain in lockdown as we are then where's the incentive for anyone taking the vaccine
That incentive would be that if there aren't enough people taking the vaccine, we'll stay in partial lockdown forever. And when other countries overtake us in their vaccine takeup rate, then we'll all be stuck taking our holidays on this godforsaken cold wet island forever. Skegness in the rain anybody?
As I'm saying, if the government don't move to ease restrictions this year as the poster above predicted then that incentive is gone. No holiday without vaccine, no holiday with vaccine. They can't expect people to continually sacrifice and get nothing back. We can't even expect to send schools back in march and have everyone else still locked down. We simply cannot have another year of this as the poster I was responding to predicts."
Goodness, do we really need a participation trophy?
How about doing our bit to end the pandemic? |
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"They really need to be lifting restrictions sooner rather than later. If it were to be for the rest of this year then that will scupper the uptake of the vaccine. We were assured the only way back to normality was the vaccine and in particular vaccinating the vulnerable. If we remain in lockdown as we are then where's the incentive for anyone taking the vaccine
That incentive would be that if there aren't enough people taking the vaccine, we'll stay in partial lockdown forever. And when other countries overtake us in their vaccine takeup rate, then we'll all be stuck taking our holidays on this godforsaken cold wet island forever. Skegness in the rain anybody?
As I'm saying, if the government don't move to ease restrictions this year as the poster above predicted then that incentive is gone. No holiday without vaccine, no holiday with vaccine. They can't expect people to continually sacrifice and get nothing back. We can't even expect to send schools back in march and have everyone else still locked down. We simply cannot have another year of this as the poster I was responding to predicts.
Goodness, do we really need a participation trophy?
How about doing our bit to end the pandemic?"
You're totally missing my point. Have a nice evening. |
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"They really need to be lifting restrictions sooner rather than later. If it were to be for the rest of this year then that will scupper the uptake of the vaccine. We were assured the only way back to normality was the vaccine and in particular vaccinating the vulnerable. If we remain in lockdown as we are then where's the incentive for anyone taking the vaccine
That incentive would be that if there aren't enough people taking the vaccine, we'll stay in partial lockdown forever. And when other countries overtake us in their vaccine takeup rate, then we'll all be stuck taking our holidays on this godforsaken cold wet island forever. Skegness in the rain anybody?
As I'm saying, if the government don't move to ease restrictions this year as the poster above predicted then that incentive is gone. No holiday without vaccine, no holiday with vaccine. They can't expect people to continually sacrifice and get nothing back. We can't even expect to send schools back in march and have everyone else still locked down. We simply cannot have another year of this as the poster I was responding to predicts.
Goodness, do we really need a participation trophy?
How about doing our bit to end the pandemic?
You're totally missing my point. Have a nice evening."
 ok.
The pandemic doesn't give a damn about your feelings I'm afraid |
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"They really need to be lifting restrictions sooner rather than later. If it were to be for the rest of this year then that will scupper the uptake of the vaccine. We were assured the only way back to normality was the vaccine and in particular vaccinating the vulnerable. If we remain in lockdown as we are then where's the incentive for anyone taking the vaccine
That incentive would be that if there aren't enough people taking the vaccine, we'll stay in partial lockdown forever. And when other countries overtake us in their vaccine takeup rate, then we'll all be stuck taking our holidays on this godforsaken cold wet island forever. Skegness in the rain anybody?
As I'm saying, if the government don't move to ease restrictions this year as the poster above predicted then that incentive is gone. No holiday without vaccine, no holiday with vaccine. They can't expect people to continually sacrifice and get nothing back. We can't even expect to send schools back in march and have everyone else still locked down. We simply cannot have another year of this as the poster I was responding to predicts.
Goodness, do we really need a participation trophy?
How about doing our bit to end the pandemic?
You're totally missing my point. Have a nice evening.
ok.
The pandemic doesn't give a damn about your feelings I'm afraid"
As I said,.you've missed my point. |
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"They really need to be lifting restrictions sooner rather than later. If it were to be for the rest of this year then that will scupper the uptake of the vaccine. We were assured the only way back to normality was the vaccine and in particular vaccinating the vulnerable. If we remain in lockdown as we are then where's the incentive for anyone taking the vaccine
That incentive would be that if there aren't enough people taking the vaccine, we'll stay in partial lockdown forever. And when other countries overtake us in their vaccine takeup rate, then we'll all be stuck taking our holidays on this godforsaken cold wet island forever. Skegness in the rain anybody?
As I'm saying, if the government don't move to ease restrictions this year as the poster above predicted then that incentive is gone. No holiday without vaccine, no holiday with vaccine. They can't expect people to continually sacrifice and get nothing back. We can't even expect to send schools back in march and have everyone else still locked down. We simply cannot have another year of this as the poster I was responding to predicts.
Goodness, do we really need a participation trophy?
How about doing our bit to end the pandemic?
You're totally missing my point. Have a nice evening.
ok.
The pandemic doesn't give a damn about your feelings I'm afraid
As I said,.you've missed my point."
What, that you want lockdown lifted now despite the developing situation with variants? That's not a point. |
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over a year ago
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"They really need to be lifting restrictions sooner rather than later. If it were to be for the rest of this year then that will scupper the uptake of the vaccine. We were assured the only way back to normality was the vaccine and in particular vaccinating the vulnerable. If we remain in lockdown as we are then where's the incentive for anyone taking the vaccine
That incentive would be that if there aren't enough people taking the vaccine, we'll stay in partial lockdown forever. And when other countries overtake us in their vaccine takeup rate, then we'll all be stuck taking our holidays on this godforsaken cold wet island forever. Skegness in the rain anybody?
As I'm saying, if the government don't move to ease restrictions this year as the poster above predicted then that incentive is gone. No holiday without vaccine, no holiday with vaccine. They can't expect people to continually sacrifice and get nothing back. We can't even expect to send schools back in march and have everyone else still locked down. We simply cannot have another year of this as the poster I was responding to predicts.
Goodness, do we really need a participation trophy?
How about doing our bit to end the pandemic?
You're totally missing my point. Have a nice evening."
Your point being we can't expect to have prolonged measures in place unless we get something back? What, like saving tens of thousands of lives? Oh sorry, you mean you want something like a trip to Spain or whatever. I guess people have different priorities  |
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"They really need to be lifting restrictions sooner rather than later. If it were to be for the rest of this year then that will scupper the uptake of the vaccine. We were assured the only way back to normality was the vaccine and in particular vaccinating the vulnerable. If we remain in lockdown as we are then where's the incentive for anyone taking the vaccine
That incentive would be that if there aren't enough people taking the vaccine, we'll stay in partial lockdown forever. And when other countries overtake us in their vaccine takeup rate, then we'll all be stuck taking our holidays on this godforsaken cold wet island forever. Skegness in the rain anybody?
As I'm saying, if the government don't move to ease restrictions this year as the poster above predicted then that incentive is gone. No holiday without vaccine, no holiday with vaccine. They can't expect people to continually sacrifice and get nothing back. We can't even expect to send schools back in march and have everyone else still locked down. We simply cannot have another year of this as the poster I was responding to predicts.
Goodness, do we really need a participation trophy?
How about doing our bit to end the pandemic?
You're totally missing my point. Have a nice evening.
ok.
The pandemic doesn't give a damn about your feelings I'm afraid
As I said,.you've missed my point.
What, that you want lockdown lifted now despite the developing situation with variants? That's not a point."
Did I say now? Certainly can't be in a year like was suggested |
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"They really need to be lifting restrictions sooner rather than later. If it were to be for the rest of this year then that will scupper the uptake of the vaccine. We were assured the only way back to normality was the vaccine and in particular vaccinating the vulnerable. If we remain in lockdown as we are then where's the incentive for anyone taking the vaccine
That incentive would be that if there aren't enough people taking the vaccine, we'll stay in partial lockdown forever. And when other countries overtake us in their vaccine takeup rate, then we'll all be stuck taking our holidays on this godforsaken cold wet island forever. Skegness in the rain anybody?
As I'm saying, if the government don't move to ease restrictions this year as the poster above predicted then that incentive is gone. No holiday without vaccine, no holiday with vaccine. They can't expect people to continually sacrifice and get nothing back. We can't even expect to send schools back in march and have everyone else still locked down. We simply cannot have another year of this as the poster I was responding to predicts.
Goodness, do we really need a participation trophy?
How about doing our bit to end the pandemic?
You're totally missing my point. Have a nice evening.
Your point being we can't expect to have prolonged measures in place unless we get something back? What, like saving tens of thousands of lives? Oh sorry, you mean you want something like a trip to Spain or whatever. I guess people have different priorities "
For starters, I've had the vaccine. I work saving people's lives. I'm not naive enough to think however that folk will be willing to go along with everything they are told to do if they are seeing no sign of anything improving. |
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"They really need to be lifting restrictions sooner rather than later. If it were to be for the rest of this year then that will scupper the uptake of the vaccine. We were assured the only way back to normality was the vaccine and in particular vaccinating the vulnerable. If we remain in lockdown as we are then where's the incentive for anyone taking the vaccine
That incentive would be that if there aren't enough people taking the vaccine, we'll stay in partial lockdown forever. And when other countries overtake us in their vaccine takeup rate, then we'll all be stuck taking our holidays on this godforsaken cold wet island forever. Skegness in the rain anybody?
As I'm saying, if the government don't move to ease restrictions this year as the poster above predicted then that incentive is gone. No holiday without vaccine, no holiday with vaccine. They can't expect people to continually sacrifice and get nothing back. We can't even expect to send schools back in march and have everyone else still locked down. We simply cannot have another year of this as the poster I was responding to predicts.
Goodness, do we really need a participation trophy?
How about doing our bit to end the pandemic?
You're totally missing my point. Have a nice evening.
Your point being we can't expect to have prolonged measures in place unless we get something back? What, like saving tens of thousands of lives? Oh sorry, you mean you want something like a trip to Spain or whatever. I guess people have different priorities
For starters, I've had the vaccine. I work saving people's lives. I'm not naive enough to think however that folk will be willing to go along with everything they are told to do if they are seeing no sign of anything improving."
I hope it's a moot point as I expect things to improve this year, but if the situation did worsen then I would hope that as more people die, and more people are affected by these deaths, the necessity to do something about it would be more compelling. As I said, hopefully a moot point. |
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i truly belive people under estimate the psychological effect this will have if there is no end to social distancing by end of the year.. i think people would actually be more psychologically prepared for world war 3.
But then social distancing comes in waves.. do we all see the differences between social distancing enough to be able to hug your mum.. schools go back full capacity fuck someone out of your bubble, a small club reopening and full stadiums or festivals.. what and when is the order..?
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"i truly belive people under estimate the psychological effect this will have if there is no end to social distancing by end of the year.. i think people would actually be more psychologically prepared for world war 3.
But then social distancing comes in waves.. do we all see the differences between social distancing enough to be able to hug your mum.. schools go back full capacity fuck someone out of your bubble, a small club reopening and full stadiums or festivals.. what and when is the order..?
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I know full well the effect of lockdowns and distancing.
I don't want it, but I think it's better than letting the disease rampage.
And I probably won't be able to hug my mum again until this is under control globally *shrug* |
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I've hugged my mum she is suffering acute anxiety, loneliness dementia and probably depression has said she'd rather die than continue.. i took a risk and have hugged her and bent the rules slightly so my kids could see her.. i believe if i hadn't... she'd be dead already im feel
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"I've hugged my mum she is suffering acute anxiety, loneliness dementia and probably depression has said she'd rather die than continue.. i took a risk and have hugged her and bent the rules slightly so my kids could see her.. i believe if i hadn't... she'd be dead already im feel
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My mum is in Australia and if I go back I lose my residency here (because Australia won't let me back out again).
I'm hoping to see her again in the next few years. Maybe. Need both Australia and the UK to be safe plus anywhere the plane refuels. |
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"Why is it that folk who want lockdown and restrictions to go on as long as possible think they are so right and anyone with a differing opinion is stupid?"
Funny thing is that I really want lockdown to end and restrictions to be lifted as soon as they can, and earlier if possible. My father is 89 years old, healthy enough that he could live to be 100, but frail enough that a dose of covid will kill him stone dead. He lives 300 miles away from me and it's now over a year since I've been able to go visit him. Yes of course I could break the travel restrictions, drive for 7 hours to look at him through the window, then drive another 7 hours back home. I could mask up and go inside. And then if he caught covid and died I would never know if it was my selfish desire to visit that had killed him.
So I am furious that the government has systematically made the epidemic worse in this country with every single decision that have made, or more often have failed to make until the majority of the public forced them into doing something, anything.
I am furious with the selfish people that keep saying it's not real, or that vaccines don't work, or that they are young and it won't affect them.
I am burning with fury at the people who keep making light of the fact that 114,851 people have died - oh it's okay they only died "with covid" not "of covid".
I am burning with fury that nobody even knows how many people have had their lives totally destroyed by suffering crippling illness, or losing their loved ones, or having their business destroyed, or all of these, because of the failure to take the necessary steps to allow us to safely restart our lives.
I am incandescent with rage that the combination of incompetence, selfishness, negligence and downright stupidity evinced by the majority of the government and a substantial minority of people in this country means that with every day that goes past, the chances of my ever seeing my father alive again are going down.
So yeah, obviously I must want restrictions and lockdowns to continue for ever just for the hell of it. I must get some kind of sick joy out of seeing businesses going bankrupt and people being out of work. I must want to be prevented from seeing my father, I must want him to die alone, years before he needs to. Or possibly, just possibly, I am quite justified in saying that the people who make stupid decisions and do stupid things and believe stupid fairy tales from the internet, that a blind man could see are absolutely obviously going to extend the duration of the crisis, are in fact stupid? |
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i know i was risking it visiting my mum but the more she begs me to bring the kids over the more i know her quality of life is shit living alone after having lost her sister to dementia too.. if there is no quality of life.. ill risk it again.. soon.. my sister visits nearly everyday and has carers but she is dying inside every day.. there has to be quality of life too as well as life |
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"i know i was risking it visiting my mum but the more she begs me to bring the kids over the more i know her quality of life is shit living alone after having lost her sister to dementia too.. if there is no quality of life.. ill risk it again.. soon.. my sister visits nearly everyday and has carers but she is dying inside every day.. there has to be quality of life too as well as life "
I wasn't judging you. I'm just saying, I can't hug my mum until the world is healed. |
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"i know i was risking it visiting my mum but the more she begs me to bring the kids over the more i know her quality of life is shit living alone after having lost her sister to dementia too.. if there is no quality of life.. ill risk it again.. soon.. my sister visits nearly everyday and has carers but she is dying inside every day.. there has to be quality of life too as well as life
I wasn't judging you. I'm just saying, I can't hug my mum until the world is healed."
yes i agree there needs to be a global healing approach this is not just our problem. hope you get to hug your mum soon |
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"i know i was risking it visiting my mum but the more she begs me to bring the kids over the more i know her quality of life is shit living alone after having lost her sister to dementia too.. if there is no quality of life.. ill risk it again.. soon.. my sister visits nearly everyday and has carers but she is dying inside every day.. there has to be quality of life too as well as life
I wasn't judging you. I'm just saying, I can't hug my mum until the world is healed.
yes i agree there needs to be a global healing approach this is not just our problem. hope you get to hug your mum soon "
I'm hoping for 2023. |
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so with the Welsh minister arguing for the return of Welsh tourism by Easter.. do you think a trial of ending social distancing outside could be trialled in the summer?
lol good if you enjoy outdoor sex and festivals?
is that what you'd like to see compulsory social distancing reduced in categories like outdoor and indoor? or size of group etc.. what's your criteria?
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"yes that's what i was replying to. why so long to see your mum. why not next year.. if you can quarantine etc? "
At the moment Australia has its borders closed. I can go back, I'm a citizen it's my right, but they won't let me back out again.
That needs to be over before we can see each other again. Likely I'll need Australia to regard the UK as safe, the UK to regard Australia as safe, and both the UK and Australia to regard any plane refuel points as safe.
So I think 2022 is unrealistic. |
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my auntie who lives here and very old and down the road from my mum.. here daughter and executor of her will lives in Australia.. we are trying to sell the house my mum lives in that they used to share.. don't think my cousin will be coming over anytime soon then.. feel sorry for my auntie and mum now living on their own after living together 20 years.. i don't think she'd have moved out if they knew how long the virus was going to last for. my mums going insane on her own despite nearly daily vists from my sister who lives nearby |
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