Essentially the approach which is more like the Aus/NZ/Taiwan method see the vaccine as a tool and not the sole way out of this. (E.g. border control)
The UK rejected this in 2020.
If there is a sufficent mutation such that there is a need for new vaccines and then a whole new rollout. Would you reject covid zero once more and lockdown again? |
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The up can’t control it’s borders on a typical day how would that approach work? That and certain jobs are exempt from being tested or quarantined on return bloody clever virus knowing to leave celebs and fruit pickers that come over for the harvest alone |
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You can only adopt a covid zero approach when you have a low incidence of cases to start. In addition you need a compliant population, easily sealed borders, robust track and trace.
None of this applies to the UK now or the near future. |
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We should have continued with our local track and trace last year.
If track and trace works very quickly and people can and will isolate, because they won't lose out financially, a higher proportion of people will get tested, rather than becoming frightened of losing their ability to pay rent/feed their family etc. We've not even done the very basics right yet, let alone tight crackdowns on hot spots.
We can decide on a zero approach at any point. I'm not sure there's much point though, if we've not managed to do the joined up thinking, so that each part of the system is going to have public buy-in as well as actually works. We're too full of bluster instead |
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"You can only adopt a covid zero approach when you have a low incidence of cases to start. In addition you need a compliant population, easily sealed borders, robust track and trace.
None of this applies to the UK now or the near future."
A zero approach is good and achievable in some circumstances, but not easy to adopt over here at this stage due to the factors you’ve highlighted above. |
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"Does the track and trace system work in England? "
It can only work if the general public are truthful and tell them ALL the people they have come into close contact with xx |
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"Does the track and trace system work in England?
It can only work if the general public are truthful and tell them ALL the people they have come into close contact with xx"
It also needs to have all people who may have got infected to be tested, which hasn't been the case for a number of reasons, including government exclusion of potentially asymptomatic people as standard. |
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Personally I would say the airlines, shipping etc should have been shut down and isolated on arrival and not released until cleared. Draconian measures but it would have slowed the infection down with less cost the economy. |
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I asked the same question back at the end of the summer when Zero COVID was achievable.
Now, I think we have no choice.
The new variant is much more transmissible and therefore leads to a very rapid increase in numbers of infected people- hospitalisations- deaths- the NHS over run.
Half the people hospitalised with COVID now are under 70. Vaccinating the vulnerable with decease the death rate but not the hospitalisation rate as many under 70’s will not be vaccinated until later this year- so the virus will have to be heavily suppressed until then.
That’s not to mention 30% of these patients being re admitted at a later date with long COVID.
The government knows it cannot yo yo between lockdowns and partial opening anymore or just keeping R below 1.
The new target should be the number of new cases per day- I am estimating below 150 - to allow normality to return.
It’s up to Sage to give the information. It’s on the government to form an exit Strategy.
‘Following the science’ is not a strategy, it’s reactive not proactive.
One could forgive the government the first lockdown- lockdown 2 and 3 could have been avoided —— and to be fair most European governments responses have been poor. |
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