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"Just seen piers Morgan grill Brandon Lewis on this as to how it has happened And surprise surprise he was told we shouldn't be comparing countries at this stage... Have a look on the les for the story https://www.standard.co.uk/news/health/uk-highest-daily-covid-death-rate-world-oxford-research-b900231.html?itm_source=Internal&itm_channel=banner&itm_campaign=breaking-news-ticker&itm_content=3" Perhaps Piers nipping off to Antigua for a Xmas holiday didn’t help? | |||
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"Just seen piers Morgan grill Brandon Lewis on this as to how it has happened And surprise surprise he was told we shouldn't be comparing countries at this stage... Have a look on the les for the story https://www.standard.co.uk/news/health/uk-highest-daily-covid-death-rate-world-oxford-research-b900231.html?itm_source=Internal&itm_channel=banner&itm_campaign=breaking-news-ticker&itm_content=3 Perhaps Piers nipping off to Antigua for a Xmas holiday didn’t help? " Someone going on holiday led to thousands of deaths? | |||
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"Just seen piers Morgan grill Brandon Lewis on this as to how it has happened And surprise surprise he was told we shouldn't be comparing countries at this stage... Have a look on the les for the story https://www.standard.co.uk/news/health/uk-highest-daily-covid-death-rate-world-oxford-research-b900231.html?itm_source=Internal&itm_channel=banner&itm_campaign=breaking-news-ticker&itm_content=3 Perhaps Piers nipping off to Antigua for a Xmas holiday didn’t help? " don't think having a daft quip about Morgan is that funny. He was right in all he said. He asked for just one answer as to why do we have the highest death rate in the, world. And surprise surprise there, wasn't an answer. This government is happy to boast about being the best in the world for vaccine roll out but when it comes to the cause of such a high death rate they can't admit to anything They won't admit to one single failing. I'm not a Morgan fan but he has every right to ask these things as do all of us | |||
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"Just seen piers Morgan grill Brandon Lewis on this as to how it has happened And surprise surprise he was told we shouldn't be comparing countries at this stage... Have a look on the les for the story https://www.standard.co.uk/news/health/uk-highest-daily-covid-death-rate-world-oxford-research-b900231.html?itm_source=Internal&itm_channel=banner&itm_campaign=breaking-news-ticker&itm_content=3 Perhaps Piers nipping off to Antigua for a Xmas holiday didn’t help? Someone going on holiday led to thousands of deaths?" Maybe Piers himself hasn't led to it but what's good for the goose and all that. Plenty of people have been calling for border closures but it appears it doesn't apply if the person in question is hammering the governement  | |||
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"Just seen piers Morgan grill Brandon Lewis on this as to how it has happened And surprise surprise he was told we shouldn't be comparing countries at this stage... Have a look on the les for the story https://www.standard.co.uk/news/health/uk-highest-daily-covid-death-rate-world-oxford-research-b900231.html?itm_source=Internal&itm_channel=banner&itm_campaign=breaking-news-ticker&itm_content=3 Perhaps Piers nipping off to Antigua for a Xmas holiday didn’t help? don't think having a daft quip about Morgan is that funny. He was right in all he said. He asked for just one answer as to why do we have the highest death rate in the, world. And surprise surprise there, wasn't an answer. This government is happy to boast about being the best in the world for vaccine roll out but when it comes to the cause of such a high death rate they can't admit to anything They won't admit to one single failing. I'm not a Morgan fan but he has every right to ask these things as do all of us " and Morgan went on holiday because this government allowed him to do so. The travel corridors should have closed long before now | |||
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"Just seen piers Morgan grill Brandon Lewis on this as to how it has happened And surprise surprise he was told we shouldn't be comparing countries at this stage... Have a look on the les for the story https://www.standard.co.uk/news/health/uk-highest-daily-covid-death-rate-world-oxford-research-b900231.html?itm_source=Internal&itm_channel=banner&itm_campaign=breaking-news-ticker&itm_content=3 Perhaps Piers nipping off to Antigua for a Xmas holiday didn’t help? " You would make a good government minister with that deflection | |||
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"Just seen piers Morgan grill Brandon Lewis on this as to how it has happened And surprise surprise he was told we shouldn't be comparing countries at this stage... Have a look on the les for the story https://www.standard.co.uk/news/health/uk-highest-daily-covid-death-rate-world-oxford-research-b900231.html?itm_source=Internal&itm_channel=banner&itm_campaign=breaking-news-ticker&itm_content=3 Perhaps Piers nipping off to Antigua for a Xmas holiday didn’t help? don't think having a daft quip about Morgan is that funny. He was right in all he said. He asked for just one answer as to why do we have the highest death rate in the, world. And surprise surprise there, wasn't an answer. This government is happy to boast about being the best in the world for vaccine roll out but when it comes to the cause of such a high death rate they can't admit to anything They won't admit to one single failing. I'm not a Morgan fan but he has every right to ask these things as do all of us " Spot on I domt like Morgan but he is one of the few journalists that holds them to accont | |||
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"Just seen piers Morgan grill Brandon Lewis on this as to how it has happened And surprise surprise he was told we shouldn't be comparing countries at this stage... Have a look on the les for the story https://www.standard.co.uk/news/health/uk-highest-daily-covid-death-rate-world-oxford-research-b900231.html?itm_source=Internal&itm_channel=banner&itm_campaign=breaking-news-ticker&itm_content=3" When discussing the vaccine program johnson said we had vaccinated more than all the EU countries put together. So they compare when it suits them. | |||
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"Just seen piers Morgan grill Brandon Lewis on this as to how it has happened And surprise surprise he was told we shouldn't be comparing countries at this stage... Have a look on the les for the story https://www.standard.co.uk/news/health/uk-highest-daily-covid-death-rate-world-oxford-research-b900231.html?itm_source=Internal&itm_channel=banner&itm_campaign=breaking-news-ticker&itm_content=3 When discussing the vaccine program johnson said we had vaccinated more than all the EU countries put together. So they compare when it suits them. " It certainly seems that way...remember when we had all the graphs showing how well we were doing in Europe....until we passed them | |||
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"ironically after the Brexit debacle.. we made no attempt to control our borders.. has to be the reason.. never ever understood this.. Witty saying it would have not much effect is the thing that's etched into my brain... why were we the only country not to fo this?? d" Exactly. Watching the unfolding catastrophes in Spain and Italy, we should have closed our borders, but instead Johnson ignored it. | |||
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"we are a major hub in the world it was always going to hit us hard with so many connection to the rest of the world " So is the uea....but we are a island and that is the crux of the matter as we didn't get this bad over night. It's all the bad handling of this right through this with borders and dithering. Yeah I'll give them credit on rolling out the vaccine...but everything else has been shite on controlling the spread of this. | |||
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"we are a major hub in the world it was always going to hit us hard with so many connection to the rest of the world " We are also an island with easy to control borders | |||
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"we are a major hub in the world it was always going to hit us hard with so many connection to the rest of the world We are also an island with easy to control borders " I said that lionel ^^ | |||
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All whilst moaning that we should've closed our borders  | |||
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"we are a major hub in the world it was always going to hit us hard with so many connection to the rest of the world We are also an island with easy to control borders I said that lionel ^^" | |||
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"Strange fact that the more testing that has been carried out the higher the death rate. Could it be that's because we're counting any death within 28 days of a positive test? Other countries are not doing this. Statistics between different countries are very difficult to compare. " That old chestnut again ffs  | |||
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"The irony in this post is unreal. We are ok with Piers crossing our borders as long as he grills ministers when he comes back
All whilst moaning that we should've closed our borders "I dont think anyone is. But just because he broke the rules, and tbf he is far from alone, that shouldn't mean why the question shouldnt be asked, as to why the figures are so bad. And to actually expect a straight answer. Impossible I know | |||
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"Strange fact that the more testing that has been carried out the higher the death rate. Could it be that's because we're counting any death within 28 days of a positive test? Other countries are not doing this. Statistics between different countries are very difficult to compare. " Yet they did it when when we were behind other countries. | |||
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"Hancock isolating ... got cv19" Did anyone see Hancock's half hour last night? Jabs army...ffs | |||
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"The irony in this post is unreal. We are ok with Piers crossing our borders as long as he grills ministers when he comes back
All whilst moaning that we should've closed our borders
I dont think anyone is.
But just because he broke the rules, and tbf he is far from alone, that shouldn't mean why the question shouldnt be asked, as to why the figures are so bad.
And to actually expect a straight answer.
Impossible I know "Technically he didn't break the rules. I just can't fathom why people aren't up in arms but if are still banging on about Boris crossing borders a year ago. I mean, let's be fair. He's asking questions he knows he won't get straight answers to. The guy is a bit of a tit, most of us know that. | |||
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"Hancock isolating ... got cv19" Probably picked it up in the park | |||
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"The irony in this post is unreal. We are ok with Piers crossing our borders as long as he grills ministers when he comes back
All whilst moaning that we should've closed our borders
I dont think anyone is.
But just because he broke the rules, and tbf he is far from alone, that shouldn't mean why the question shouldnt be asked, as to why the figures are so bad.
And to actually expect a straight answer.
Impossible I know
Technically he didn't break the rules.
I just can't fathom why people aren't up in arms but if are still banging on about Boris crossing borders a year ago.
I mean, let's be fair. He's asking questions he knows he won't get straight answers to. The guy is a bit of a tit, most of us know that."I'll agree he's a bit of a tit...but he asks the questions others dont. Anyhow no one is a bigger tit then boris is there? | |||
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"The virus spreads by social contact. The rules in this country have been fairly lax and even then people can't obey them. Also, many risk factors relate to general health (obesity etc.). Maybe our population is less healthy than other countries." Or could it just be we have a incompetent government? | |||
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"Strange fact that the more testing that has been carried out the higher the death rate. Could it be that's because we're counting any death within 28 days of a positive test? Other countries are not doing this. Statistics between different countries are very difficult to compare. That old chestnut again ffs "God, you people are unbelievable. Sick of your sanctimonious preaching. | |||
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"The irony in this post is unreal. We are ok with Piers crossing our borders as long as he grills ministers when he comes back
All whilst moaning that we should've closed our borders
I dont think anyone is.
But just because he broke the rules, and tbf he is far from alone, that shouldn't mean why the question shouldnt be asked, as to why the figures are so bad.
And to actually expect a straight answer.
Impossible I know
Technically he didn't break the rules.
I just can't fathom why people aren't up in arms but if are still banging on about Boris crossing borders a year ago.
I mean, let's be fair. He's asking questions he knows he won't get straight answers to. The guy is a bit of a tit, most of us know that.
I'll agree he's a bit of a tit...but he asks the questions others dont.
Anyhow no one is a bigger tit then boris is there?"The question has been asked hundreds of times though. The answer won't change, no government minister is ever gonna admit they've messed up. My point still stands though. Piers isn't qualified to ask the question when he is personally adding to the problem by crossing borders | |||
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"The virus spreads by social contact. The rules in this country have been fairly lax and even then people can't obey them. Also, many risk factors relate to general health (obesity etc.). Maybe our population is less healthy than other countries." Anerica? | |||
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"The irony in this post is unreal. We are ok with Piers crossing our borders as long as he grills ministers when he comes back
All whilst moaning that we should've closed our borders
I dont think anyone is.
But just because he broke the rules, and tbf he is far from alone, that shouldn't mean why the question shouldnt be asked, as to why the figures are so bad.
And to actually expect a straight answer.
Impossible I know
Technically he didn't break the rules.
I just can't fathom why people aren't up in arms but if are still banging on about Boris crossing borders a year ago.
I mean, let's be fair. He's asking questions he knows he won't get straight answers to. The guy is a bit of a tit, most of us know that.
I'll agree he's a bit of a tit...but he asks the questions others dont.
Anyhow no one is a bigger tit then boris is there?
The question has been asked hundreds of times though. The answer won't change, no government minister is ever gonna admit they've messed up.
My point still stands though. Piers isn't qualified to ask the question when he is personally adding to the problem by crossing borders"Get someone else to ask the question again It's not unreasonable to ask why do we have one,if not the,worst death rates in the world? | |||
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"The virus spreads by social contact. The rules in this country have been fairly lax and even then people can't obey them. Also, many risk factors relate to general health (obesity etc.). Maybe our population is less healthy than other countries. Or could it just be we have a incompetent government?" Although we could never argue that the government is competent, people have to take responsibility for their own actions. However competent a government is (and none of the current choices are any good) they can't legislate for general population stupidity. | |||
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"The irony in this post is unreal. We are ok with Piers crossing our borders as long as he grills ministers when he comes back
All whilst moaning that we should've closed our borders
I dont think anyone is.
But just because he broke the rules, and tbf he is far from alone, that shouldn't mean why the question shouldnt be asked, as to why the figures are so bad.
And to actually expect a straight answer.
Impossible I know
Technically he didn't break the rules.
I just can't fathom why people aren't up in arms but if are still banging on about Boris crossing borders a year ago.
I mean, let's be fair. He's asking questions he knows he won't get straight answers to. The guy is a bit of a tit, most of us know that.
I'll agree he's a bit of a tit...but he asks the questions others dont.
Anyhow no one is a bigger tit then boris is there?
The question has been asked hundreds of times though. The answer won't change, no government minister is ever gonna admit they've messed up.
My point still stands though. Piers isn't qualified to ask the question when he is personally adding to the problem by crossing borders
Get someone else to ask the question again
It's not unreasonable to ask why do we have one,if not the,worst death rates in the world?"It's a long answer. There's numerous reasons but they won't give them because it'll show badly on they're handling of the situation. Don't we already know this? | |||
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"The virus spreads by social contact. The rules in this country have been fairly lax and even then people can't obey them. Also, many risk factors relate to general health (obesity etc.). Maybe our population is less healthy than other countries. Or could it just be we have a incompetent government? Although we could never argue that the government is competent, people have to take responsibility for their own actions. However competent a government is (and none of the current choices are any good) they can't legislate for general population stupidity." Spot on | |||
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"The irony in this post is unreal. We are ok with Piers crossing our borders as long as he grills ministers when he comes back
All whilst moaning that we should've closed our borders
I dont think anyone is.
But just because he broke the rules, and tbf he is far from alone, that shouldn't mean why the question shouldnt be asked, as to why the figures are so bad.
And to actually expect a straight answer.
Impossible I know
Technically he didn't break the rules.
I just can't fathom why people aren't up in arms but if are still banging on about Boris crossing borders a year ago.
I mean, let's be fair. He's asking questions he knows he won't get straight answers to. The guy is a bit of a tit, most of us know that.
I'll agree he's a bit of a tit...but he asks the questions others dont.
Anyhow no one is a bigger tit then boris is there?
The question has been asked hundreds of times though. The answer won't change, no government minister is ever gonna admit they've messed up.
My point still stands though. Piers isn't qualified to ask the question when he is personally adding to the problem by crossing borders
Get someone else to ask the question again
It's not unreasonable to ask why do we have one,if not the,worst death rates in the world?
It's a long answer. There's numerous reasons but they won't give them because it'll show badly on they're handling of the situation.
Don't we already know this?"Some of us do. | |||
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"The virus spreads by social contact. The rules in this country have been fairly lax and even then people can't obey them. Also, many risk factors relate to general health (obesity etc.). Maybe our population is less healthy than other countries. Anerica?" Our population density is much greater than theirs. Plus (I think) the average American is less Vitamin D deficient than the average Brit? | |||
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"The virus spreads by social contact. The rules in this country have been fairly lax and even then people can't obey them. Also, many risk factors relate to general health (obesity etc.). Maybe our population is less healthy than other countries. Or could it just be we have a incompetent government? Although we could never argue that the government is competent, people have to take responsibility for their own actions. However competent a government is (and none of the current choices are any good) they can't legislate for general population stupidity." Sure they can. Law: border closure except for importation of goods and permitted exceptions. Stupid: but it's my human right to go to Spain on holiday! Law: nope. Die mad about it. | |||
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"The virus spreads by social contact. The rules in this country have been fairly lax and even then people can't obey them. Also, many risk factors relate to general health (obesity etc.). Maybe our population is less healthy than other countries. Anerica? Our population density is much greater than theirs. Plus (I think) the average American is less Vitamin D deficient than the average Brit?" Aw ffs let's just have a fat shaming again eh | |||
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"Strange fact that the more testing that has been carried out the higher the death rate. Could it be that's because we're counting any death within 28 days of a positive test? Other countries are not doing this. Statistics between different countries are very difficult to compare. That old chestnut again ffs "We won't be able to compare different countries for around 4 years after it's ended, if ever. | |||
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"Its all down to 2 reasons 1) a dense population 2)a dense population. "Are you saying we have a nation of fuckwits? | |||
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"Stop watching Sky and the BBC !! " I disacree there news is good although headline news can be deceptive,it is silly to make issues out of these points now | |||
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"Its all down to 2 reasons 1) a dense population 2)a dense population.
Are you saying we have a nation of fuckwits?"A good proportion of . . . and remember ONLY people spread the virus.  | |||
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"Its all down to 2 reasons 1) a dense population 2)a dense population.
Are you saying we have a nation of fuckwits?"I am Selfish fuckwits who are only interested in themselves | |||
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"Its all down to 2 reasons 1) a dense population 2)a dense population.
Are you saying we have a nation of fuckwits?
A good proportion of . . . and remember ONLY people spread the virus. "A nation of fuckwits An incompetent gmnt Suppose it's like chicken and egg 
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"Put your hate back in the box and say something positive , it’s infectious . " I'm presuming you read the op? | |||
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"Put your hate back in the box and say something positive , it’s infectious . " My comments arent 'hate' unfortunately They are facts On Saturday evening i reported at least 50 profiles for advertising that they wanted to meet Yes 50 Im embarassed to call myself British | |||
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"Put your hate back in the box and say something positive , it’s infectious . My comments arent 'hate' unfortunately They are facts On Saturday evening i reported at least 50 profiles for advertising that they wanted to meet Yes 50 Im embarassed to call myself British" There are always going to be a number of idiots around,sadly. | |||
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"we are a major hub in the world it was always going to hit us hard with so many connection to the rest of the world " Agreed, but the rest of the world stopped flying...not all of it but most. | |||
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"Hancock isolating ... got cv19 Did anyone see Hancock's half hour last night? Jabs army...ffs" Don’t panic! | |||
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"The virus spreads by social contact. The rules in this country have been fairly lax and even then people can't obey them. Also, many risk factors relate to general health (obesity etc.). Maybe our population is less healthy than other countries." It is, we are the fat man of Europe & catching up to the US. | |||
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"Just seen piers Morgan grill Brandon Lewis on this as to how it has happened And surprise surprise he was told we shouldn't be comparing countries at this stage... Have a look on the les for the story https://www.standard.co.uk/news/health/uk-highest-daily-covid-death-rate-world-oxford-research-b900231.html?itm_source=Internal&itm_channel=banner&itm_campaign=breaking-news-ticker&itm_content=3 Perhaps Piers nipping off to Antigua for a Xmas holiday didn’t help? don't think having a daft quip about Morgan is that funny. He was right in all he said. He asked for just one answer as to why do we have the highest death rate in the, world. And surprise surprise there, wasn't an answer. This government is happy to boast about being the best in the world for vaccine roll out but when it comes to the cause of such a high death rate they can't admit to anything They won't admit to one single failing. I'm not a Morgan fan but he has every right to ask these things as do all of us " There isn’t just one answer though is there, there are many things at fault from some of the government handling right down to the individual who doesn’t want to follow the rules or choose to bend them to suit their needs Everyone needs to take personal responsibility for their actions and stop needing to be spoon fed instructions on what you should / should not be doing, adults aren’t we ? | |||
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" There isn’t just one answer though is there, there are many things at fault from some of the government handling right down to the individual who doesn’t want to follow the rules or choose to bend them to suit their needs Everyone needs to take personal responsibility for their actions and stop needing to be spoon fed instructions on what you should / should not be doing, adults aren’t we ? "  ONLY people spread the Virus | |||
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"The irony in this post is unreal. We are ok with Piers crossing our borders as long as he grills ministers when he comes back
All whilst moaning that we should've closed our borders " | |||
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" There isn’t just one answer though is there, there are many things at fault from some of the government handling right down to the individual who doesn’t want to follow the rules or choose to bend them to suit their needs Everyone needs to take personal responsibility for their actions and stop needing to be spoon fed instructions on what you should / should not be doing, adults aren’t we ? ONLY people spread the Virus" | |||
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It's right that they are held to account at each moment. None of them are hardly employable, including chief spaffer. | |||
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"Just seen piers Morgan grill Brandon Lewis on this as to how it has happened And surprise surprise he was told we shouldn't be comparing countries at this stage... Have a look on the les for the story https://www.standard.co.uk/news/health/uk-highest-daily-covid-death-rate-world-oxford-research-b900231.html?itm_source=Internal&itm_channel=banner&itm_campaign=breaking-news-ticker&itm_content=3 Perhaps Piers nipping off to Antigua for a Xmas holiday didn’t help? don't think having a daft quip about Morgan is that funny. He was right in all he said. He asked for just one answer as to why do we have the highest death rate in the, world. And surprise surprise there, wasn't an answer. This government is happy to boast about being the best in the world for vaccine roll out but when it comes to the cause of such a high death rate they can't admit to anything They won't admit to one single failing. I'm not a Morgan fan but he has every right to ask these things as do all of us " Fair comment | |||
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"They're a 'leadership' not really seeing themselves as accountable for anything. Those who had Coroners investigating loved ones deaths requested an investigation after the first wave, to learn from it. Johnson refused saying that they would have to take government to court and pay huge costs for it, if they failed. They're not interested in regular people, though party friends can get a lot of interest and money. Test and Trace is a total failure, that's cost us £22 billion. That may have stopped us being worst in the world, if it had been invested properly. Dido says it's working very well
It's right that they are held to account at each moment. None of them are hardly employable, including chief spaffer. "They will accept responsibility for nothing and neither will their acolytes. Much easier to point the finger at everyone else. People spread it..completing ignoring the fact that they completely ignore scientific advice and make decisions far too late. Their action over the schools was borderline criminal but apparently people have the attention span of a goldfish. We have arguably the worst death rate in the world and they still wont accept responsibility. | |||
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"Just seen piers Morgan grill Brandon Lewis on this as to how it has happened And surprise surprise he was told we shouldn't be comparing countries at this stage... Have a look on the les for the story https://www.standard.co.uk/news/health/uk-highest-daily-covid-death-rate-world-oxford-research-b900231.html?itm_source=Internal&itm_channel=banner&itm_campaign=breaking-news-ticker&itm_content=3 Perhaps Piers nipping off to Antigua for a Xmas holiday didn’t help? don't think having a daft quip about Morgan is that funny. He was right in all he said. He asked for just one answer as to why do we have the highest death rate in the, world. And surprise surprise there, wasn't an answer. This government is happy to boast about being the best in the world for vaccine roll out but when it comes to the cause of such a high death rate they can't admit to anything They won't admit to one single failing. I'm not a Morgan fan but he has every right to ask these things as do all of us " Tories never admit to anything, unless they think it puts them in a good light. | |||
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"They're a 'leadership' not really seeing themselves as accountable for anything. Those who had Coroners investigating loved ones deaths requested an investigation after the first wave, to learn from it. Johnson refused saying that they would have to take government to court and pay huge costs for it, if they failed. They're not interested in regular people, though party friends can get a lot of interest and money. Test and Trace is a total failure, that's cost us £22 billion. That may have stopped us being worst in the world, if it had been invested properly. Dido says it's working very well
It's right that they are held to account at each moment. None of them are hardly employable, including chief spaffer.
They will accept responsibility for nothing and neither will their acolytes.
Much easier to point the finger at everyone else.
People spread it..completing ignoring the fact that they completely ignore scientific advice and make decisions far too late.
Their action over the schools was borderline criminal but apparently people have the attention span of a goldfish.
We have arguably the worst death rate in the world and they still wont accept responsibility."I’ll argue that we don’t have the worst death rate in the world. | |||
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"They're a 'leadership' not really seeing themselves as accountable for anything. Those who had Coroners investigating loved ones deaths requested an investigation after the first wave, to learn from it. Johnson refused saying that they would have to take government to court and pay huge costs for it, if they failed. They're not interested in regular people, though party friends can get a lot of interest and money. Test and Trace is a total failure, that's cost us £22 billion. That may have stopped us being worst in the world, if it had been invested properly. Dido says it's working very well
It's right that they are held to account at each moment. None of them are hardly employable, including chief spaffer.
They will accept responsibility for nothing and neither will their acolytes.
Much easier to point the finger at everyone else.
People spread it..completing ignoring the fact that they completely ignore scientific advice and make decisions far too late.
Their action over the schools was borderline criminal but apparently people have the attention span of a goldfish.
We have arguably the worst death rate in the world and they still wont accept responsibility.
I’ll argue that we don’t have the worst death rate in the world.
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"They're a 'leadership' not really seeing themselves as accountable for anything. Those who had Coroners investigating loved ones deaths requested an investigation after the first wave, to learn from it. Johnson refused saying that they would have to take government to court and pay huge costs for it, if they failed. They're not interested in regular people, though party friends can get a lot of interest and money. Test and Trace is a total failure, that's cost us £22 billion. That may have stopped us being worst in the world, if it had been invested properly. Dido says it's working very well
It's right that they are held to account at each moment. None of them are hardly employable, including chief spaffer.
They will accept responsibility for nothing and neither will their acolytes.
Much easier to point the finger at everyone else.
People spread it..completing ignoring the fact that they completely ignore scientific advice and make decisions far too late.
Their action over the schools was borderline criminal but apparently people have the attention span of a goldfish.
We have arguably the worst death rate in the world and they still wont accept responsibility.
I’ll argue that we don’t have the worst death rate in the world.
Of course you would "So show me! | |||
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"They're a 'leadership' not really seeing themselves as accountable for anything. Those who had Coroners investigating loved ones deaths requested an investigation after the first wave, to learn from it. Johnson refused saying that they would have to take government to court and pay huge costs for it, if they failed. They're not interested in regular people, though party friends can get a lot of interest and money. Test and Trace is a total failure, that's cost us £22 billion. That may have stopped us being worst in the world, if it had been invested properly. Dido says it's working very well
It's right that they are held to account at each moment. None of them are hardly employable, including chief spaffer.
They will accept responsibility for nothing and neither will their acolytes.
Much easier to point the finger at everyone else.
People spread it..completing ignoring the fact that they completely ignore scientific advice and make decisions far too late.
Their action over the schools was borderline criminal but apparently people have the attention span of a goldfish.
We have arguably the worst death rate in the world and they still wont accept responsibility.
I’ll argue that we don’t have the worst death rate in the world.
Of course you would
So show me!"I'd rather watch paint dry | |||
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"They're a 'leadership' not really seeing themselves as accountable for anything. Those who had Coroners investigating loved ones deaths requested an investigation after the first wave, to learn from it. Johnson refused saying that they would have to take government to court and pay huge costs for it, if they failed. They're not interested in regular people, though party friends can get a lot of interest and money. Test and Trace is a total failure, that's cost us £22 billion. That may have stopped us being worst in the world, if it had been invested properly. Dido says it's working very well
It's right that they are held to account at each moment. None of them are hardly employable, including chief spaffer.
They will accept responsibility for nothing and neither will their acolytes.
Much easier to point the finger at everyone else.
People spread it..completing ignoring the fact that they completely ignore scientific advice and make decisions far too late.
Their action over the schools was borderline criminal but apparently people have the attention span of a goldfish.
We have arguably the worst death rate in the world and they still wont accept responsibility.
I’ll argue that we don’t have the worst death rate in the world.
"I would also argue that. We have neither the highest tool nor the highest per capita. That's not to say we're doing appalling but we don't have the worst however you choose to measure it | |||
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"They're a 'leadership' not really seeing themselves as accountable for anything. Those who had Coroners investigating loved ones deaths requested an investigation after the first wave, to learn from it. Johnson refused saying that they would have to take government to court and pay huge costs for it, if they failed. They're not interested in regular people, though party friends can get a lot of interest and money. Test and Trace is a total failure, that's cost us £22 billion. That may have stopped us being worst in the world, if it had been invested properly. Dido says it's working very well
It's right that they are held to account at each moment. None of them are hardly employable, including chief spaffer.
They will accept responsibility for nothing and neither will their acolytes.
Much easier to point the finger at everyone else.
People spread it..completing ignoring the fact that they completely ignore scientific advice and make decisions far too late.
Their action over the schools was borderline criminal but apparently people have the attention span of a goldfish.
We have arguably the worst death rate in the world and they still wont accept responsibility.
I’ll argue that we don’t have the worst death rate in the world.
Of course you would
So show me!
I'd rather watch paint dry"So just more hot air from you then Lionel! | |||
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"They're a 'leadership' not really seeing themselves as accountable for anything. Those who had Coroners investigating loved ones deaths requested an investigation after the first wave, to learn from it. Johnson refused saying that they would have to take government to court and pay huge costs for it, if they failed. They're not interested in regular people, though party friends can get a lot of interest and money. Test and Trace is a total failure, that's cost us £22 billion. That may have stopped us being worst in the world, if it had been invested properly. Dido says it's working very well
It's right that they are held to account at each moment. None of them are hardly employable, including chief spaffer.
They will accept responsibility for nothing and neither will their acolytes.
Much easier to point the finger at everyone else.
People spread it..completing ignoring the fact that they completely ignore scientific advice and make decisions far too late.
Their action over the schools was borderline criminal but apparently people have the attention span of a goldfish.
We have arguably the worst death rate in the world and they still wont accept responsibility.
I’ll argue that we don’t have the worst death rate in the world.
Of course you would
So show me!
I'd rather watch paint dry
So just more hot air from you then Lionel!"Go and read the op | |||
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"They're a 'leadership' not really seeing themselves as accountable for anything. Those who had Coroners investigating loved ones deaths requested an investigation after the first wave, to learn from it. Johnson refused saying that they would have to take government to court and pay huge costs for it, if they failed. They're not interested in regular people, though party friends can get a lot of interest and money. Test and Trace is a total failure, that's cost us £22 billion. That may have stopped us being worst in the world, if it had been invested properly. Dido says it's working very well
It's right that they are held to account at each moment. None of them are hardly employable, including chief spaffer.
They will accept responsibility for nothing and neither will their acolytes.
Much easier to point the finger at everyone else.
People spread it..completing ignoring the fact that they completely ignore scientific advice and make decisions far too late.
Their action over the schools was borderline criminal but apparently people have the attention span of a goldfish.
We have arguably the worst death rate in the world and they still wont accept responsibility.
I’ll argue that we don’t have the worst death rate in the world.
Of course you would
So show me!
I'd rather watch paint dry
So just more hot air from you then Lionel!
Go and read the op"No, I’m waiting for you to prove to me that the UK has the highest death rate in the world. I know Worldometers proves otherwise. | |||
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"They're a 'leadership' not really seeing themselves as accountable for anything. Those who had Coroners investigating loved ones deaths requested an investigation after the first wave, to learn from it. Johnson refused saying that they would have to take government to court and pay huge costs for it, if they failed. They're not interested in regular people, though party friends can get a lot of interest and money. Test and Trace is a total failure, that's cost us £22 billion. That may have stopped us being worst in the world, if it had been invested properly. Dido says it's working very well
It's right that they are held to account at each moment. None of them are hardly employable, including chief spaffer.
They will accept responsibility for nothing and neither will their acolytes.
Much easier to point the finger at everyone else.
People spread it..completing ignoring the fact that they completely ignore scientific advice and make decisions far too late.
Their action over the schools was borderline criminal but apparently people have the attention span of a goldfish.
We have arguably the worst death rate in the world and they still wont accept responsibility.
I’ll argue that we don’t have the worst death rate in the world.
Of course you would
So show me!
I'd rather watch paint dry
So just more hot air from you then Lionel!
Go and read the op
No, I’m waiting for you to prove to me that the UK has the highest death rate in the world. I know Worldometers proves otherwise."Good for you | |||
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"Regardless of which party was in charge,I'm sure we would rather be congratulating the government, rather than questioning, why upwards of 70,000 + people have lost their lives to covid" Close to 96,000 now according to the bbc. | |||
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"They're a 'leadership' not really seeing themselves as accountable for anything. Those who had Coroners investigating loved ones deaths requested an investigation after the first wave, to learn from it. Johnson refused saying that they would have to take government to court and pay huge costs for it, if they failed. They're not interested in regular people, though party friends can get a lot of interest and money. Test and Trace is a total failure, that's cost us £22 billion. That may have stopped us being worst in the world, if it had been invested properly. Dido says it's working very well
It's right that they are held to account at each moment. None of them are hardly employable, including chief spaffer.
They will accept responsibility for nothing and neither will their acolytes.
Much easier to point the finger at everyone else.
People spread it..completing ignoring the fact that they completely ignore scientific advice and make decisions far too late.
Their action over the schools was borderline criminal but apparently people have the attention span of a goldfish.
We have arguably the worst death rate in the world and they still wont accept responsibility.
I’ll argue that we don’t have the worst death rate in the world.
Of course you would
So show me!
I'd rather watch paint dry
So just more hot air from you then Lionel!
Go and read the op
No, I’m waiting for you to prove to me that the UK has the highest death rate in the world. I know Worldometers proves otherwise.
Good for you"OK, so as I’ve already said, more hot air. | |||
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"They're a 'leadership' not really seeing themselves as accountable for anything. Those who had Coroners investigating loved ones deaths requested an investigation after the first wave, to learn from it. Johnson refused saying that they would have to take government to court and pay huge costs for it, if they failed. They're not interested in regular people, though party friends can get a lot of interest and money. Test and Trace is a total failure, that's cost us £22 billion. That may have stopped us being worst in the world, if it had been invested properly. Dido says it's working very well
It's right that they are held to account at each moment. None of them are hardly employable, including chief spaffer.
They will accept responsibility for nothing and neither will their acolytes.
Much easier to point the finger at everyone else.
People spread it..completing ignoring the fact that they completely ignore scientific advice and make decisions far too late.
Their action over the schools was borderline criminal but apparently people have the attention span of a goldfish.
We have arguably the worst death rate in the world and they still wont accept responsibility.
I’ll argue that we don’t have the worst death rate in the world.
Of course you would
So show me!
I'd rather watch paint dry
So just more hot air from you then Lionel!
Go and read the op
No, I’m waiting for you to prove to me that the UK has the highest death rate in the world. I know Worldometers proves otherwise.
Good for you
OK, so as I’ve already said, more hot air."There are several sources of data and this thread relates to the weekly figures that Piers Morgan presented and questionned the government on. | |||
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"They're a 'leadership' not really seeing themselves as accountable for anything. Those who had Coroners investigating loved ones deaths requested an investigation after the first wave, to learn from it. Johnson refused saying that they would have to take government to court and pay huge costs for it, if they failed. They're not interested in regular people, though party friends can get a lot of interest and money. Test and Trace is a total failure, that's cost us £22 billion. That may have stopped us being worst in the world, if it had been invested properly. Dido says it's working very well
It's right that they are held to account at each moment. None of them are hardly employable, including chief spaffer.
They will accept responsibility for nothing and neither will their acolytes.
Much easier to point the finger at everyone else.
People spread it..completing ignoring the fact that they completely ignore scientific advice and make decisions far too late.
Their action over the schools was borderline criminal but apparently people have the attention span of a goldfish.
We have arguably the worst death rate in the world and they still wont accept responsibility.
I’ll argue that we don’t have the worst death rate in the world.
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"They're a 'leadership' not really seeing themselves as accountable for anything. Those who had Coroners investigating loved ones deaths requested an investigation after the first wave, to learn from it. Johnson refused saying that they would have to take government to court and pay huge costs for it, if they failed. They're not interested in regular people, though party friends can get a lot of interest and money. Test and Trace is a total failure, that's cost us £22 billion. That may have stopped us being worst in the world, if it had been invested properly. Dido says it's working very well
It's right that they are held to account at each moment. None of them are hardly employable, including chief spaffer.
They will accept responsibility for nothing and neither will their acolytes.
Much easier to point the finger at everyone else.
People spread it..completing ignoring the fact that they completely ignore scientific advice and make decisions far too late.
Their action over the schools was borderline criminal but apparently people have the attention span of a goldfish.
We have arguably the worst death rate in the world and they still wont accept responsibility.
I’ll argue that we don’t have the worst death rate in the world.
Of course you would
So show me!
I'd rather watch paint dry
So just more hot air from you then Lionel!
Go and read the op
No, I’m waiting for you to prove to me that the UK has the highest death rate in the world. I know Worldometers proves otherwise.
Good for you
OK, so as I’ve already said, more hot air.
There are several sources of data and this thread relates to the weekly figures that Piers Morgan presented and questionned the government on. "I’m aware that there are various sources of data. Whichever source you look at, the UK does not have the highest death rate in the world. The article uses the word ‘currently’ which is entirely different and taking a few days data in isolation gives a very distorted overview. | |||
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"They're a 'leadership' not really seeing themselves as accountable for anything. Those who had Coroners investigating loved ones deaths requested an investigation after the first wave, to learn from it. Johnson refused saying that they would have to take government to court and pay huge costs for it, if they failed. They're not interested in regular people, though party friends can get a lot of interest and money. Test and Trace is a total failure, that's cost us £22 billion. That may have stopped us being worst in the world, if it had been invested properly. Dido says it's working very well
It's right that they are held to account at each moment. None of them are hardly employable, including chief spaffer.
They will accept responsibility for nothing and neither will their acolytes.
Much easier to point the finger at everyone else.
People spread it..completing ignoring the fact that they completely ignore scientific advice and make decisions far too late.
Their action over the schools was borderline criminal but apparently people have the attention span of a goldfish.
We have arguably the worst death rate in the world and they still wont accept responsibility.
I’ll argue that we don’t have the worst death rate in the world.
Go on then..."I just did. | |||
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"Whatever maths gymnastic excuses people come up with the fact that we are not far off 100,000 deaths is utterly shocking. And the fact that people see it as some sort it achievement that we arent the worst in the world,we are just up there,is quite frankly embarrassing. " I suspect no one sees the death figures as any sort of achievement but there are those that wilfully distort the facts to suit their own political agenda! | |||
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"Whatever maths gymnastic excuses people come up with the fact that we are not far off 100,000 deaths is utterly shocking. And the fact that people see it as some sort it achievement that we arent the worst in the world,we are just up there,is quite frankly embarrassing. " Absolutely, and add to that we are a island and totally let it get out of control. Its astonishing how people will try to defend this incompetent government. | |||
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"Regardless of which party was in charge,I'm sure we would rather be congratulating the government, rather than questioning, why upwards of 70,000 + people have lost their lives to covid Close to 96,000 now according to the bbc." Seen that earlier...and that came from ONS before anyone wants to blame the bbc of scaremongering | |||
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"Aren’t some on here and social media just loving the fact. Another stick to beat the government with." I would sooner see les deaths due to their incompetence | |||
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"Whatever maths gymnastic excuses people come up with the fact that we are not far off 100,000 deaths is utterly shocking. And the fact that people see it as some sort it achievement that we arent the worst in the world,we are just up there,is quite frankly embarrassing. Absolutely, and add to that we are a island and totally let it get out of control. Its astonishing how people will try to defend this incompetent government. " Imagine if we had the lowest figures? I'm fairly sure comparisons would be back in vogue then. | |||
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"Whatever maths gymnastic excuses people come up with the fact that we are not far off 100,000 deaths is utterly shocking. And the fact that people see it as some sort it achievement that we arent the worst in the world,we are just up there,is quite frankly embarrassing. Absolutely, and add to that we are a island and totally let it get out of control. Its astonishing how people will try to defend this incompetent government. Imagine if we had the lowest figures? I'm fairly sure comparisons would be back in vogue then. " Graphs on daily updates...but tbh I would sooner see that than the deaths we have seen. I done care what political allegiance people have....surely they can see this is a total shit show | |||
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"Whatever maths gymnastic excuses people come up with the fact that we are not far off 100,000 deaths is utterly shocking. And the fact that people see it as some sort it achievement that we arent the worst in the world,we are just up there,is quite frankly embarrassing. Absolutely, and add to that we are a island and totally let it get out of control. Its astonishing how people will try to defend this incompetent government. Imagine if we had the lowest figures? I'm fairly sure comparisons would be back in vogue then. Graphs on daily updates...but tbh I would sooner see that than the deaths we have seen. I done care what political allegiance people have....surely they can see this is a total shit show " The bottom line is the death rate is appalling and they should take responsibility instead of bulshitting and blaming the world and his dog. | |||
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"Its all down to 2 reasons 1) a dense population 2)a dense population. "Japan's population (126 million), is two times that of the UK (66 million). Japan also has a much higher population density than the UK. UK 275 per sq/km, Japan 347.07 per sq/km. UK's covid death is is around 90,000 / Japan's covid death is 4,501. Despite Japan's high population density, they have managed the pandemic a lot better; and they did so without a lockdown. I know these two countries are different; just pointing out that population density is not an excuse for such a high death rate. | |||
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"Its all down to 2 reasons 1) a dense population 2)a dense population.
Japan's population (126 million), is two times that of the UK (66 million).
Japan also has a much higher population density than the UK.
UK 275 per sq/km, Japan 347.07 per sq/km.
UK's covid death is is around 90,000 / Japan's covid death is 4,501.
Despite Japan's high population density, they have managed the pandemic a lot better; and they did so without a lockdown.
I know these two countries are different; just pointing out that population density is not an excuse for such a high death rate."You missed the meaning of the second dense ... | |||
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"Its all down to 2 reasons 1) a dense population 2)a dense population.
Japan's population (126 million), is two times that of the UK (66 million).
Japan also has a much higher population density than the UK.
UK 275 per sq/km, Japan 347.07 per sq/km.
UK's covid death is is around 90,000 / Japan's covid death is 4,501.
Despite Japan's high population density, they have managed the pandemic a lot better; and they did so without a lockdown.
I know these two countries are different; just pointing out that population density is not an excuse for such a high death rate.
You missed the meaning of the second dense ... "I probably did | |||
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"This pathetic excuse for a government has bungled their response to the pandemic and it has cost us dear in dead and hurt. " Nothing to do, of course with the fact that we have a country full of covidiots who have no respect for the law, anyone else and probably themselves. Still they walk around in Tesco not giving a damn whilst the security guy plays on his phone. Yes, I know there are exemptions but why say they won't serve anyone without a mask who can't prove an exemption and then not enforce it. Yes, you are probably right, this government is far too soft. | |||
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"This pathetic excuse for a government has bungled their response to the pandemic and it has cost us dear in dead and hurt. Nothing to do, of course with the fact that we have a country full of covidiots who have no respect for the law, anyone else and probably themselves. Still they walk around in Tesco not giving a damn whilst the security guy plays on his phone. Yes, I know there are exemptions but why say they won't serve anyone without a mask who can't prove an exemption and then not enforce it. Yes, you are probably right, this government is far too soft." Where’s a good old military junta when you need one? | |||
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"Just seen piers Morgan grill Brandon Lewis on this as to how it has happened And surprise surprise he was told we shouldn't be comparing countries at this stage... Have a look on the les for the story https://www.standard.co.uk/news/health/uk-highest-daily-covid-death-rate-world-oxford-research-b900231.html?itm_source=Internal&itm_channel=banner&itm_campaign=breaking-news-ticker&itm_content=3 Perhaps Piers nipping off to Antigua for a Xmas holiday didn’t help? don't think having a daft quip about Morgan is that funny. He was right in all he said. He asked for just one answer as to why do we have the highest death rate in the, world. And surprise surprise there, wasn't an answer. This government is happy to boast about being the best in the world for vaccine roll out but when it comes to the cause of such a high death rate they can't admit to anything They won't admit to one single failing. I'm not a Morgan fan but he has every right to ask these things as do all of us There isn’t just one answer though is there, there are many things at fault from some of the government handling right down to the individual who doesn’t want to follow the rules or choose to bend them to suit their needs Everyone needs to take personal responsibility for their actions and stop needing to be spoon fed instructions on what you should / should not be doing, adults aren’t we ? " The most sensible comment on this thread but only a few of us get that! | |||
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"Just seen piers Morgan grill Brandon Lewis on this as to how it has happened And surprise surprise he was told we shouldn't be comparing countries at this stage... Have a look on the les for the story https://www.standard.co.uk/news/health/uk-highest-daily-covid-death-rate-world-oxford-research-b900231.html?itm_source=Internal&itm_channel=banner&itm_campaign=breaking-news-ticker&itm_content=3" I don't see a problem, how on earth can you compare the statistics for any two country's. No two countries are the same. In terms of population density, how differing countries have a different response to Covid, how the population reacts, responds, complies or ignores the guidance within their country. It's a foolish notion, you're simply not comparing eggs with eggs. E | |||
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"Its all down to 2 reasons 1) a dense population 2)a dense population.
Japan's population (126 million), is two times that of the UK (66 million).
Japan also has a much higher population density than the UK.
UK 275 per sq/km, Japan 347.07 per sq/km.
UK's covid death is is around 90,000 / Japan's covid death is 4,501.
Despite Japan's high population density, they have managed the pandemic a lot better; and they did so without a lockdown.
I know these two countries are different; just pointing out that population density is not an excuse for such a high death rate.
You missed the meaning of the second dense ...
I probably did "It would be interesting to understand the comparative demographics of both populaces... Education, age, divorce rates, religion, race, obesity, asthma, illness, diet, exercise, smoking, media impact, politics, climate, seasonality, if you're going to make comparisons then let's be intelligent, thorough and rigorous about it and not just cherry pick things for effect. | |||
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"The irony in this post is unreal. We are ok with Piers crossing our borders as long as he grills ministers when he comes back
All whilst moaning that we should've closed our borders
I dont think anyone is.
But just because he broke the rules, and tbf he is far from alone, that shouldn't mean why the question shouldnt be asked, as to why the figures are so bad.
And to actually expect a straight answer.
Impossible I know
Technically he didn't break the rules.
I just can't fathom why people aren't up in arms but if are still banging on about Boris crossing borders a year ago.
I mean, let's be fair. He's asking questions he knows he won't get straight answers to. The guy is a bit of a tit, most of us know that.
I'll agree he's a bit of a tit...but he asks the questions others dont.
Anyhow no one is a bigger tit then boris is there?
The question has been asked hundreds of times though. The answer won't change, no government minister is ever gonna admit they've messed up.
My point still stands though. Piers isn't qualified to ask the question when he is personally adding to the problem by crossing borders
Get someone else to ask the question again
It's not unreasonable to ask why do we have one,if not the,worst death rates in the world?
It's a long answer. There's numerous reasons but they won't give them because it'll show badly on they're handling of the situation.
Don't we already know this?"What would happen of for example they said... "yeah you know what.. On reflection we have made some poor decisions, we should have done x, y, z instead. And as a consequence a, B, c happened. But we also need to point out that the first outbreak was caused by someone breaking quarantine, that people continuing to travel and break quarantine and shopping in groups and non adherence to guidelines is causing 1,2,3 to happen... What's the benefit of that? Because you see people only ever want to blame other people for their short comings. They never want to look in the mirror and say... "yes over the last 12 months I've not made a single mistake and on reflection would not change a single decision I have made" | |||
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"The irony in this post is unreal. We are ok with Piers crossing our borders as long as he grills ministers when he comes back
All whilst moaning that we should've closed our borders
I dont think anyone is.
But just because he broke the rules, and tbf he is far from alone, that shouldn't mean why the question shouldnt be asked, as to why the figures are so bad.
And to actually expect a straight answer.
Impossible I know
Technically he didn't break the rules.
I just can't fathom why people aren't up in arms but if are still banging on about Boris crossing borders a year ago.
I mean, let's be fair. He's asking questions he knows he won't get straight answers to. The guy is a bit of a tit, most of us know that.
I'll agree he's a bit of a tit...but he asks the questions others dont.
Anyhow no one is a bigger tit then boris is there?
The question has been asked hundreds of times though. The answer won't change, no government minister is ever gonna admit they've messed up.
My point still stands though. Piers isn't qualified to ask the question when he is personally adding to the problem by crossing borders
Get someone else to ask the question again
It's not unreasonable to ask why do we have one,if not the,worst death rates in the world?
It's a long answer. There's numerous reasons but they won't give them because it'll show badly on they're handling of the situation.
Don't we already know this?
What would happen of for example they said...
"yeah you know what.. On reflection we have made some poor decisions, we should have done x, y, z instead. And as a consequence a, B, c happened. But we also need to point out that the first outbreak was caused by someone breaking quarantine, that people continuing to travel and break quarantine and shopping in groups and non adherence to guidelines is causing 1,2,3 to happen...
What's the benefit of that? Because you see people only ever want to blame other people for their short comings. They never want to look in the mirror and say... "yes over the last 12 months I've not made a single mistake and on reflection would not change a single decision I have made" "I'll tell you what would happen.. People would completely ignore that they are admitting any shortcomings and focus on the part where they 'lay blame'. Theyd then use that to say the government is blaming everyone else as usual | |||
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"Its all down to 2 reasons 1) a dense population 2)a dense population.
Japan's population (126 million), is two times that of the UK (66 million).
Japan also has a much higher population density than the UK.
UK 275 per sq/km, Japan 347.07 per sq/km.
UK's covid death is is around 90,000 / Japan's covid death is 4,501.
Despite Japan's high population density, they have managed the pandemic a lot better; and they did so without a lockdown.
I know these two countries are different; just pointing out that population density is not an excuse for such a high death rate.
You missed the meaning of the second dense ...
I probably did
It would be interesting to understand the comparative demographics of both populaces... Education, age, divorce rates, religion, race, obesity, asthma, illness, diet, exercise, smoking, media impact, politics, climate, seasonality, if you're going to make comparisons then let's be intelligent, thorough and rigorous about it and not just cherry pick things for effect. ""...It would be interesting to understand the comparative demographics of both populaces..." -------------------- There is not point in making all those comparisons you mentioned. Hence why above I said: - "I know these two countries are different" I was just pointing out that population density is not the sole reason for the high death rate the UK currently has. | |||
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"Strange fact that the more testing that has been carried out the higher the death rate. Could it be that's because we're counting any death within 28 days of a positive test? Other countries are not doing this. Statistics between different countries are very difficult to compare. That old chestnut again ffs "Yeah but very true. Different countries count Covid deaths in different ways so it's impossible to compare like for like. Old chestnuts can be true | |||
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"The irony in this post is unreal. We are ok with Piers crossing our borders as long as he grills ministers when he comes back
All whilst moaning that we should've closed our borders
I dont think anyone is.
But just because he broke the rules, and tbf he is far from alone, that shouldn't mean why the question shouldnt be asked, as to why the figures are so bad.
And to actually expect a straight answer.
Impossible I know
Technically he didn't break the rules.
I just can't fathom why people aren't up in arms but if are still banging on about Boris crossing borders a year ago.
I mean, let's be fair. He's asking questions he knows he won't get straight answers to. The guy is a bit of a tit, most of us know that.
I'll agree he's a bit of a tit...but he asks the questions others dont.
Anyhow no one is a bigger tit then boris is there?
The question has been asked hundreds of times though. The answer won't change, no government minister is ever gonna admit they've messed up.
My point still stands though. Piers isn't qualified to ask the question when he is personally adding to the problem by crossing borders
Get someone else to ask the question again
It's not unreasonable to ask why do we have one,if not the,worst death rates in the world?
It's a long answer. There's numerous reasons but they won't give them because it'll show badly on they're handling of the situation.
Don't we already know this?
What would happen of for example they said...
"yeah you know what.. On reflection we have made some poor decisions, we should have done x, y, z instead. And as a consequence a, B, c happened. But we also need to point out that the first outbreak was caused by someone breaking quarantine, that people continuing to travel and break quarantine and shopping in groups and non adherence to guidelines is causing 1,2,3 to happen...
What's the benefit of that? Because you see people only ever want to blame other people for their short comings. They never want to look in the mirror and say... "yes over the last 12 months I've not made a single mistake and on reflection would not change a single decision I have made" "It's easy to be smart with the gift of hindsight. I'm agreeing with you, in case that wasn't clear.
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"The irony in this post is unreal. We are ok with Piers crossing our borders as long as he grills ministers when he comes back
All whilst moaning that we should've closed our borders
I dont think anyone is.
But just because he broke the rules, and tbf he is far from alone, that shouldn't mean why the question shouldnt be asked, as to why the figures are so bad.
And to actually expect a straight answer.
Impossible I know
Technically he didn't break the rules.
I just can't fathom why people aren't up in arms but if are still banging on about Boris crossing borders a year ago.
I mean, let's be fair. He's asking questions he knows he won't get straight answers to. The guy is a bit of a tit, most of us know that.
I'll agree he's a bit of a tit...but he asks the questions others dont.
Anyhow no one is a bigger tit then boris is there?
The question has been asked hundreds of times though. The answer won't change, no government minister is ever gonna admit they've messed up.
My point still stands though. Piers isn't qualified to ask the question when he is personally adding to the problem by crossing borders
Get someone else to ask the question again
It's not unreasonable to ask why do we have one,if not the,worst death rates in the world?
It's a long answer. There's numerous reasons but they won't give them because it'll show badly on they're handling of the situation.
Don't we already know this?
What would happen of for example they said...
"yeah you know what.. On reflection we have made some poor decisions, we should have done x, y, z instead. And as a consequence a, B, c happened. But we also need to point out that the first outbreak was caused by someone breaking quarantine, that people continuing to travel and break quarantine and shopping in groups and non adherence to guidelines is causing 1,2,3 to happen...
What's the benefit of that? Because you see people only ever want to blame other people for their short comings. They never want to look in the mirror and say... "yes over the last 12 months I've not made a single mistake and on reflection would not change a single decision I have made" "Its about accountability. How many times have they ignored scientific advice and then have the balls to say..we are following scientific advice. That school thing was an utter fiasco,, was there any danger of 1 person taking responsibility for that? | |||
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"The irony in this post is unreal. We are ok with Piers crossing our borders as long as he grills ministers when he comes back
All whilst moaning that we should've closed our borders
I dont think anyone is.
But just because he broke the rules, and tbf he is far from alone, that shouldn't mean why the question shouldnt be asked, as to why the figures are so bad.
And to actually expect a straight answer.
Impossible I know
Technically he didn't break the rules.
I just can't fathom why people aren't up in arms but if are still banging on about Boris crossing borders a year ago.
I mean, let's be fair. He's asking questions he knows he won't get straight answers to. The guy is a bit of a tit, most of us know that.
I'll agree he's a bit of a tit...but he asks the questions others dont.
Anyhow no one is a bigger tit then boris is there?
The question has been asked hundreds of times though. The answer won't change, no government minister is ever gonna admit they've messed up.
My point still stands though. Piers isn't qualified to ask the question when he is personally adding to the problem by crossing borders
Get someone else to ask the question again
It's not unreasonable to ask why do we have one,if not the,worst death rates in the world?
It's a long answer. There's numerous reasons but they won't give them because it'll show badly on they're handling of the situation.
Don't we already know this?
What would happen of for example they said...
"yeah you know what.. On reflection we have made some poor decisions, we should have done x, y, z instead. And as a consequence a, B, c happened. But we also need to point out that the first outbreak was caused by someone breaking quarantine, that people continuing to travel and break quarantine and shopping in groups and non adherence to guidelines is causing 1,2,3 to happen...
What's the benefit of that? Because you see people only ever want to blame other people for their short comings. They never want to look in the mirror and say... "yes over the last 12 months I've not made a single mistake and on reflection would not change a single decision I have made"
It's easy to be smart with the gift of hindsight.
I'm agreeing with you, in case that wasn't clear.
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"Its all down to 2 reasons 1) a dense population 2)a dense population.
Are you saying we have a nation of fuckwits?
A good proportion of . . . and remember ONLY people spread the virus.
A nation of fuckwits
An incompetent gmnt
Suppose it's like chicken and egg
"Ah, so everyone that contracted Covid are fuckwits? I'm sure there's a lot of grieving families that disagree with that broad statement. The guy up the road who shielded for most of 2020, never went through the door. Relatives dropped food parcels off, never had contact with anyone since March 2020 and died on 29th December aged 74. Wonder how he was a fuckwit? | |||
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"Its all down to 2 reasons 1) a dense population 2)a dense population.
Are you saying we have a nation of fuckwits?
A good proportion of . . . and remember ONLY people spread the virus.
A nation of fuckwits
An incompetent gmnt
Suppose it's like chicken and egg
Ah, so everyone that contracted Covid are fuckwits? I'm sure there's a lot of grieving families that disagree with that broad statement.
The guy up the road who shielded for most of 2020, never went through the door. Relatives dropped food parcels off, never had contact with anyone since March 2020 and died on 29th December aged 74. Wonder how he was a fuckwit? "Perhaps direct that at the person who said it? | |||
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" There isn’t just one answer though is there, there are many things at fault from some of the government handling right down to the individual who doesn’t want to follow the rules or choose to bend them to suit their needs Everyone needs to take personal responsibility for their actions and stop needing to be spoon fed instructions on what you should / should not be doing, adults aren’t we ? ONLY people spread the Virus"Tut tut, there's me reading that the virus can be on other surfaces. Then again, it was published by government scientists so I take it that it's wrong? | |||
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"The Government should be held accountable, for their decisions during this pandemic " Providing it could be proved that decisions taken were in the best interests and not in hindsight like everyone can | |||
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"Aren’t some on here and social media just loving the fact. Another stick to beat the government with." | |||
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"They're a 'leadership' not really seeing themselves as accountable for anything. Those who had Coroners investigating loved ones deaths requested an investigation after the first wave, to learn from it. Johnson refused saying that they would have to take government to court and pay huge costs for it, if they failed. They're not interested in regular people, though party friends can get a lot of interest and money. Test and Trace is a total failure, that's cost us £22 billion. That may have stopped us being worst in the world, if it had been invested properly. Dido says it's working very well
It's right that they are held to account at each moment. None of them are hardly employable, including chief spaffer.
They will accept responsibility for nothing and neither will their acolytes.
Much easier to point the finger at everyone else.
People spread it..completing ignoring the fact that they completely ignore scientific advice and make decisions far too late.
Their action over the schools was borderline criminal but apparently people have the attention span of a goldfish.
We have arguably the worst death rate in the world and they still wont accept responsibility.
I’ll argue that we don’t have the worst death rate in the world.
Of course you would
So show me!
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"The Government should be held accountable, for their decisions during this pandemic Providing it could be proved that decisions taken were in the best interests and not in hindsight like everyone can" I suggest you look up the meaning of the word hindsight | |||
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"Regardless of which party was in charge,I'm sure we would rather be congratulating the government, rather than questioning, why upwards of 70,000 + people have lost their lives to covid Close to 96,000 now according to the bbc." Hmmmm? Strange how lots say don't watch the BBC except when it comes to items they agree with. | |||
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"Whatever maths gymnastic excuses people come up with the fact that we are not far off 100,000 deaths is utterly shocking. And the fact that people see it as some sort it achievement that we arent the worst in the world,we are just up there,is quite frankly embarrassing. I suspect no one sees the death figures as any sort of achievement but there are those that wilfully distort the facts to suit their own political agenda!" | |||
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"Regardless of which party was in charge,I'm sure we would rather be congratulating the government, rather than questioning, why upwards of 70,000 + people have lost their lives to covid Close to 96,000 now according to the bbc. Hmmmm? Strange how lots say don't watch the BBC except when it comes to items they agree with. " Good point They are probably lying. | |||
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" There isn’t just one answer though is there, there are many things at fault from some of the government handling right down to the individual who doesn’t want to follow the rules or choose to bend them to suit their needs Everyone needs to take personal responsibility for their actions and stop needing to be spoon fed instructions on what you should / should not be doing, adults aren’t we ? ONLY people spread the Virus
Tut tut, there's me reading that the virus can be on other surfaces. Then again, it was published by government scientists so I take it that it's wrong? ""..Tut tut, there's me reading that the virus can be on other surfaces..." ------------------- Tut tut, and how did the virus get to those other surfaces? The cows and goats got it to those other surfaces? | |||
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"This pathetic excuse for a government has bungled their response to the pandemic and it has cost us dear in dead and hurt. Nothing to do, of course with the fact that we have a country full of covidiots who have no respect for the law, anyone else and probably themselves. Still they walk around in Tesco not giving a damn whilst the security guy plays on his phone. Yes, I know there are exemptions but why say they won't serve anyone without a mask who can't prove an exemption and then not enforce it. Yes, you are probably right, this government is far too soft." You don't have to prove you're exempt at all and to demand it is discrimination and illegal | |||
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"The UK most probably has the most accurate record. Germany still does not count someone who had a positive test for covid and died if they had an underlying condition. It has to be purely covid only. Every country collects records differently and to different parameters. " You mean Germany have had 47k deaths without underlying conditions? | |||
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"There are a lot of countries that have coped well in dealing with this virus. And a few of these countries have I'm sure their fair share of 'fuckwits' So, it is at the end of the day a governments responsibility to deal with all obstacles in front of them. This government has not responded well, it has done nothing right so must take the lions share of the responsibility of having the worst record worldwide on covid.. Having said this though, Britain does have a particular problem with certain people following guidelines because it 'infringes their human righrs'.. Fuckwits indeed.. " | |||
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"People really need to understand human psychology more on here. The more you try and control people the less likely it is they will comply. " Ah that must have been the thinking for a jolly little Christmas eh | |||
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"People really need to understand human psychology more on here. The more you try and control people the less likely it is they will comply. " "...The more you try and control people the less likely it is they will comply..." --------------------- That statement is true to some extent. But..... should people wait to be controlled or told what to do ?? How about everyone being wise and doing their best to reduce the spread of the virus?? Some of the countries that have a better grip on the virus, have succeeded in doing so: - partly because they have a population that is willing to comply and take responsibility for their actions, rather than wait to be 'controlled' | |||
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"People really need to understand human psychology more on here. The more you try and control people the less likely it is they will comply. "...The more you try and control people the less likely it is they will comply..." --------------------- That statement is true to some extent. But..... should people wait to be controlled or told what to do ?? How about everyone being wise and doing their best to reduce the spread of the virus?? Some of the countries that have a better grip on the virus, have succeeded in doing so: - partly because they have a population that is willing to comply and take responsibility for their actions, rather than wait to be 'controlled' " Apparantely that isn't quite true. It's more likely because their governments are amazing and ours is shite | |||
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"People really need to understand human psychology more on here. The more you try and control people the less likely it is they will comply. "...The more you try and control people the less likely it is they will comply..." --------------------- That statement is true to some extent. But..... should people wait to be controlled or told what to do ?? How about everyone being wise and doing their best to reduce the spread of the virus?? Some of the countries that have a better grip on the virus, have succeeded in doing so: - partly because they have a population that is willing to comply and take responsibility for their actions, rather than wait to be 'controlled' Apparantely that isn't quite true. It's more likely because their governments are amazing and ours is shite " | |||
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"1610
Fucking hell.
Just seen it.. "That's appalling. Less people died when the Titanic sank and so many of these deaths were just as avoidable. | |||
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"People really need to understand human psychology more on here. The more you try and control people the less likely it is they will comply. "...The more you try and control people the less likely it is they will comply..." --------------------- That statement is true to some extent. But..... should people wait to be controlled or told what to do ?? How about everyone being wise and doing their best to reduce the spread of the virus?? Some of the countries that have a better grip on the virus, have succeeded in doing so: - partly because they have a population that is willing to comply and take responsibility for their actions, rather than wait to be 'controlled' " This is exactly my point....I.have eastern European colleagues who are compliant and see it as their duty to be so. Our population want to blame anyone bar themselves.... | |||
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"People really need to understand human psychology more on here. The more you try and control people the less likely it is they will comply. "...The more you try and control people the less likely it is they will comply..." --------------------- That statement is true to some extent. But..... should people wait to be controlled or told what to do ?? How about everyone being wise and doing their best to reduce the spread of the virus?? Some of the countries that have a better grip on the virus, have succeeded in doing so: - partly because they have a population that is willing to comply and take responsibility for their actions, rather than wait to be 'controlled' Apparantely that isn't quite true. It's more likely because their governments are amazing and ours is shite "And as a country blessed with democratic process we voted for this government.... | |||
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"It is far too easy to blame the government, so many are not being responsible. 'We' wanted a Christmas with a degree of normality, understandable Had the government said no imagine the outcry. Unfortunately so many are meet in partying travelling without good reason. Even to the point of is going to your local newsagent for a paper really necessary. These minor 'transgressions ' collectively have led to the rapid spread. Be sensible, stay at home ......it's hardly rocket science " So the gmnt shouldnt do something in case people complain? | |||
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"It is far too easy to blame the government, so many are not being responsible. 'We' wanted a Christmas with a degree of normality, understandable Had the government said no imagine the outcry. Unfortunately so many are meet in partying travelling without good reason. Even to the point of is going to your local newsagent for a paper really necessary. These minor 'transgressions ' collectively have led to the rapid spread. Be sensible, stay at home ......it's hardly rocket science " The only thing wrong with that was when the public were polled the vast majority said fuck xmas it's just a day in the middle of a pandemic. But boris was going about saying we can't be the nasty party and stop Christmas. Well guess what? A lot of them grannies and granddads most likely thought they were safer without Christmas too. But the chances are they give in and met their families as boris said it was ok. I wonder how many of them were amongst the 1610 who died today due to shit leadership. | |||
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"It is far too easy to blame the government, so many are not being responsible. 'We' wanted a Christmas with a degree of normality, understandable Had the government said no imagine the outcry. Unfortunately so many are meet in partying travelling without good reason. Even to the point of is going to your local newsagent for a paper really necessary. These minor 'transgressions ' collectively have led to the rapid spread. Be sensible, stay at home ......it's hardly rocket science The only thing wrong with that was when the public were polled the vast majority said fuck xmas it's just a day in the middle of a pandemic. But boris was going about saying we can't be the nasty party and stop Christmas. Well guess what? A lot of them grannies and granddads most likely thought they were safer without Christmas too. But the chances are they give in and met their families as boris said it was ok. I wonder how many of them were amongst the 1610 who died today due to shit leadership." Remember him ripping into starmer for wanting to cancel Christmas? I think people just have the average attendance span of a gnat. | |||
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"Fortunately we live in a democracy so an incompetent government will not stay in power. Anyone who watches Piers Morgan should ashamed of themselves after his various misdeeds. " Good luck with that | |||
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"Just seen piers Morgan grill Brandon Lewis on this as to how it has happened And surprise surprise he was told we shouldn't be comparing countries at this stage... Have a look on the les for the story https://www.standard.co.uk/news/health/uk-highest-daily-covid-death-rate-world-oxford-research-b900231.html?itm_source=Internal&itm_channel=banner&itm_campaign=breaking-news-ticker&itm_content=3" Piers morgsn is a complete oxygen thief, who works out what the public are slagging off, and then jumps on that bandwagon. Even his two faced attitude to news, and the papers on certain subjects, but it was ok for his lies and fake photos to get a bunch of soldiers killed in a retaliation attack. I hate that bloke with a passion, and wish him the most painful and horrific demises when his time comes | |||
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"Fortunately we live in a democracy so an incompetent government will not stay in power. Anyone who watches Piers Morgan should ashamed of themselves after his various misdeeds. Good luck with that " With what? | |||
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"Fortunately we live in a democracy so an incompetent government will not stay in power. Anyone who watches Piers Morgan should ashamed of themselves after his various misdeeds. Good luck with that With what? " Just because we have a democracy ,doesnt mean it's fair and we get the truth. | |||
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"It is far too easy to blame the government, so many are not being responsible. 'We' wanted a Christmas with a degree of normality, understandable Had the government said no imagine the outcry. Unfortunately so many are meet in partying travelling without good reason. Even to the point of is going to your local newsagent for a paper really necessary. These minor 'transgressions ' collectively have led to the rapid spread. Be sensible, stay at home ......it's hardly rocket science It is very easy to blame a few ravers and it suits the government as it puts the blame somewhere else...however the evidence seems to suggest it is the travellers and those going to work that is currently the main cause of the spread..I really believe that most people are doing what the government wants them to do... As for Xmas ,I think the majority would have supported cancelling it as most people understood how totally irresponsible it was to give the green light...dither dither dither.. meanwhile 100,000 deaths is upon us within a few days..Little to do with a rave in Tunbridge Wells but more to do with government dither. " | |||
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"Just seen piers Morgan grill Brandon Lewis on this as to how it has happened And surprise surprise he was told we shouldn't be comparing countries at this stage... Have a look on the les for the story https://www.standard.co.uk/news/health/uk-highest-daily-covid-death-rate-world-oxford-research-b900231.html?itm_source=Internal&itm_channel=banner&itm_campaign=breaking-news-ticker&itm_content=3 Piers morgsn is a complete oxygen thief, who works out what the public are slagging off, and then jumps on that bandwagon. Even his two faced attitude to news, and the papers on certain subjects, but it was ok for his lies and fake photos to get a bunch of soldiers killed in a retaliation attack. I hate that bloke with a passion, and wish him the most painful and horrific demises when his time comes" The fact that 1600 died yesterday doesnt matter. The real issue is Morgan being a bit of a twat | |||
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"Fortunately we live in a democracy so an incompetent government will not stay in power. Anyone who watches Piers Morgan should ashamed of themselves after his various misdeeds. Good luck with that With what? Just because we have a democracy ,doesnt mean it's fair and we get the truth." I didn’t say it was. Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried. | |||
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"It is far too easy to blame the government, so many are not being responsible. 'We' wanted a Christmas with a degree of normality, understandable Had the government said no imagine the outcry. Unfortunately so many are meet in partying travelling without good reason. Even to the point of is going to your local newsagent for a paper really necessary. These minor 'transgressions ' collectively have led to the rapid spread. Be sensible, stay at home ......it's hardly rocket science So the gmnt shouldnt do something in case people complain?" No...we as individuals should act responsibly....far too easy to blame the government for most than it is to stay home stay safe..... | |||
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"It is far too easy to blame the government, so many are not being responsible. 'We' wanted a Christmas with a degree of normality, understandable Had the government said no imagine the outcry. Unfortunately so many are meet in partying travelling without good reason. Even to the point of is going to your local newsagent for a paper really necessary. These minor 'transgressions ' collectively have led to the rapid spread. Be sensible, stay at home ......it's hardly rocket science So the gmnt shouldnt do something in case people complain? No...we as individuals should act responsibly....far too easy to blame the government for most than it is to stay home stay safe....." Most of us do. The gmnt are handling the pandemic. They are responsible. | |||
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"It is far too easy to blame the government, so many are not being responsible. 'We' wanted a Christmas with a degree of normality, understandable Had the government said no imagine the outcry. Unfortunately so many are meet in partying travelling without good reason. Even to the point of is going to your local newsagent for a paper really necessary. These minor 'transgressions ' collectively have led to the rapid spread. Be sensible, stay at home ......it's hardly rocket science So the gmnt shouldnt do something in case people complain? No...we as individuals should act responsibly....far too easy to blame the government for most than it is to stay home stay safe..... Most of us do. The gmnt are handling the pandemic. They are responsible. " So those holding and attending parties travelling unncessarily not wearing face masks ignoring government advice have nothing to do with the spread. Interesting theory...the government govern , the people ignore....yet it's the government to blame... | |||
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"This government must take the blame for this shambles, there has been no effective leadership or efficient decision making, just one disaster after another, and xmas was just a disaster we are yet to feel the full brunt off. " Interested to hear your thoughts on what the government should have done ? | |||
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"It is far too easy to blame the government, so many are not being responsible. 'We' wanted a Christmas with a degree of normality, understandable Had the government said no imagine the outcry. Unfortunately so many are meet in partying travelling without good reason. Even to the point of is going to your local newsagent for a paper really necessary. These minor 'transgressions ' collectively have led to the rapid spread. Be sensible, stay at home ......it's hardly rocket science So the gmnt shouldnt do something in case people complain? No...we as individuals should act responsibly....far too easy to blame the government for most than it is to stay home stay safe..... Most of us do. The gmnt are handling the pandemic. They are responsible. So those holding and attending parties travelling unncessarily not wearing face masks ignoring government advice have nothing to do with the spread. Interesting theory...the government govern , the people ignore....yet it's the government to blame... " People take individual responsibility The gmnt responsibility is handling the pandemic | |||
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"It is far too easy to blame the government, so many are not being responsible. 'We' wanted a Christmas with a degree of normality, understandable Had the government said no imagine the outcry. Unfortunately so many are meet in partying travelling without good reason. Even to the point of is going to your local newsagent for a paper really necessary. These minor 'transgressions ' collectively have led to the rapid spread. Be sensible, stay at home ......it's hardly rocket science So the gmnt shouldnt do something in case people complain? No...we as individuals should act responsibly....far too easy to blame the government for most than it is to stay home stay safe..... Most of us do. The gmnt are handling the pandemic. They are responsible. So those holding and attending parties travelling unncessarily not wearing face masks ignoring government advice have nothing to do with the spread. Interesting theory...the government govern , the people ignore....yet it's the government to blame... " How do other countries fare better than Britain?? Must be down to competent leadership I think. True some don't follow guidelines but this is more a British governments shame than the people's. A record even worse than the USA who we have all seen on the news that are even more Liberal with their flouting of regulations.. This disasterous death toll and infection rate, and also the reason why we are living under these restrictions is down to this governments disasterous handling of covid. | |||
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"This government must take the blame for this shambles, there has been no effective leadership or efficient decision making, just one disaster after another, and xmas was just a disaster we are yet to feel the full brunt off. Interested to hear your thoughts on what the government should have done ?" Attended meetings Listened to the experts Not bullshited | |||
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"It is far too easy to blame the government, so many are not being responsible. 'We' wanted a Christmas with a degree of normality, understandable Had the government said no imagine the outcry. Unfortunately so many are meet in partying travelling without good reason. Even to the point of is going to your local newsagent for a paper really necessary. These minor 'transgressions ' collectively have led to the rapid spread. Be sensible, stay at home ......it's hardly rocket science So the gmnt shouldnt do something in case people complain? No...we as individuals should act responsibly....far too easy to blame the government for most than it is to stay home stay safe..... Most of us do. The gmnt are handling the pandemic. They are responsible. So those holding and attending parties travelling unncessarily not wearing face masks ignoring government advice have nothing to do with the spread. Interesting theory...the government govern , the people ignore....yet it's the government to blame... How do other countries fare better than Britain?? Must be down to competent leadership I think. True some don't follow guidelines but this is more a British governments shame than the people's. A record even worse than the USA who we have all seen on the news that are even more Liberal with their flouting of regulations.. This disasterous death toll and infection rate, and also the reason why we are living under these restrictions is down to this governments disasterous handling of covid. " The idea that we are the only country where people have flouted the rules,is quite frankly,absurd | |||
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"This government must take the blame for this shambles, there has been no effective leadership or efficient decision making, just one disaster after another, and xmas was just a disaster we are yet to feel the full brunt off. " What happened at Christmas? | |||
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"This government must take the blame for this shambles, there has been no effective leadership or efficient decision making, just one disaster after another, and xmas was just a disaster we are yet to feel the full brunt off. Interested to hear your thoughts on what the government should have done ?" Ha ha ha ha ha.. Is this a serious question. Hahaha hahaha, some people!! | |||
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"This government must take the blame for this shambles, there has been no effective leadership or efficient decision making, just one disaster after another, and xmas was just a disaster we are yet to feel the full brunt off. What happened at Christmas?" I might be mistaken but did Boris not give the go ahead to have an Xmas free for all. Much to the disbelief of many experts. And something that in the coming days, weeks will lead to more deaths. | |||
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"This government must take the blame for this shambles, there has been no effective leadership or efficient decision making, just one disaster after another, and xmas was just a disaster we are yet to feel the full brunt off. Interested to hear your thoughts on what the government should have done ? Ha ha ha ha ha.. Is this a serious question. Hahaha hahaha, some people!! " Absolutely serious....so many 'know' what they got wrong yet in unprecedented circumstances with nothing to compare with what should they have done. I haven't read any government minister saying 'do as you want, go where and when you want, meet whoever you want' yet that is what has happened leading to the rapid spread.... My mum used to say 'if I told you to put your hand in the fire would you'...... | |||
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"This government must take the blame for this shambles, there has been no effective leadership or efficient decision making, just one disaster after another, and xmas was just a disaster we are yet to feel the full brunt off. What happened at Christmas? I might be mistaken but did Boris not give the go ahead to have an Xmas free for all. Much to the disbelief of many experts. And something that in the coming days, weeks will lead to more deaths. " even at Christmas so.many behaved selfishly and irresponsible bending the rules to justify their own agenda... | |||
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"This government must take the blame for this shambles, there has been no effective leadership or efficient decision making, just one disaster after another, and xmas was just a disaster we are yet to feel the full brunt off. Interested to hear your thoughts on what the government should have done ? Ha ha ha ha ha.. Is this a serious question. Hahaha hahaha, some people!! Absolutely serious....so many 'know' what they got wrong yet in unprecedented circumstances with nothing to compare with what should they have done. I haven't read any government minister saying 'do as you want, go where and when you want, meet whoever you want' yet that is what has happened leading to the rapid spread.... My mum used to say 'if I told you to put your hand in the fire would you'......" The gmnt were told in no uncertain terms to close schools They ignored it and threatened them with legal action Who'responsinilty Is this? | |||
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"This government must take the blame for this shambles, there has been no effective leadership or efficient decision making, just one disaster after another, and xmas was just a disaster we are yet to feel the full brunt off. Interested to hear your thoughts on what the government should have done ? Attended meetings Listened to the experts Not bullshited" Support your response please... No government meetings ,really. Completely ignored experts , again..really. The only bullshitting is by th9se who w9nt accept responsibility for their own actions not the impact of said actions.. | |||
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"This government must take the blame for this shambles, there has been no effective leadership or efficient decision making, just one disaster after another, and xmas was just a disaster we are yet to feel the full brunt off. Interested to hear your thoughts on what the government should have done ? Ha ha ha ha ha.. Is this a serious question. Hahaha hahaha, some people!! Absolutely serious....so many 'know' what they got wrong yet in unprecedented circumstances with nothing to compare with what should they have done. I haven't read any government minister saying 'do as you want, go where and when you want, meet whoever you want' yet that is what has happened leading to the rapid spread.... My mum used to say 'if I told you to put your hand in the fire would you'......" You say nothing to compare with.... We have had a year almost of record covid deaths. Where was the reasoning in giving a message for an Xmas free for all. OK this was changed slightly later on once they realised they were making another balls up of it and reduced the advised house numbers for xmas. Unprecedented circumstances with nothing to compare with. You haven't a clue what your talking about. Taking Xmas out the equation here, why don't we talk about border control, Britain not learning a jot about what was happening around the world and Italy in particular. Its an unprecedented cock up of a government that's what this is. | |||
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"This government must take the blame for this shambles, there has been no effective leadership or efficient decision making, just one disaster after another, and xmas was just a disaster we are yet to feel the full brunt off. Interested to hear your thoughts on what the government should have done ? Attended meetings Listened to the experts Not bullshited Support your response please... No government meetings ,really. Completely ignored experts , again..really. The only bullshitting is by th9se who w9nt accept responsibility for their own actions not the impact of said actions.. " He has ignored scientific advice at least 3 times that we know about That's a fact. | |||
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