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Supermarket Mask Policing in full force today st Morrisions

By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Myself and 2 colleagues just went to Morrisons supermarket for dinner and we were all shocked at the Mask Policing going on full force today.

Now I'm not sure if the below was down to 2 over zealous security guards or not but still.

This first thing was as we entered walking in we heard somebody shout loudly excuse me, before we had chance to look around 1 of the security guards was upon the 3 of us and quite publically pulled my team member for having his nose exposed and told him how dangerous it was.

Fast forward to the end of our trip we were all waiting to pay at the kiosk for our meal deals which was located near the front entrance.

A man had entered the store without a mask he barely had chance to get into the store before he was chased down by 2 security guards in what I can only describe is how they would approach a potential shoplifter. Loudly they ask where his mask was the guy pointed to a badge on his chest (it looked homemade tbh). The security said he was in breach of covid regulations to not have a mask or offical lanyard. They then asked him to come to their main desk which he did. It looked like they were giving him leaflets about lanyards.

Everyone around stopped what they were doing to observe what was going on. At this point we were leaving the store but we did hear one member of the public praising what was going on to his wife and loudly said "its those who refuse to wear masks that are killing people"

I have to admit it must have been an intimidating situation for the guy stopped.

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By *allySlinkyWoman over a year ago

Leeds

I have just been to Morrisons in Leeds and saw two people denied entry for not wearing masks. They didn't have exception lanyards.

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By *parky4gMan over a year ago

Cambridgeshire

People doing there job because idiots don’t understand simple as that

I’m sure being told to mask up is better than being on a ventilator in hospital

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By *ethnmelvCouple over a year ago

Cardiff

Simple answer - WEAR A MASK

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

That's shocking. Publicly shaming people. They should be discreet about it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Why did 3 of you have to go in together?

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

What next? The stocks?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"That's shocking. Publicly shaming people. They should be discreet about it.

It's disgusting to be honest.

Most people don't have a problem having to show an exemption but actually the security guards are wrong it doesn't have to be anything official.

If this happened I feel sorry for the guy because he did comply by regulations and then was publically humiliated.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

To be honest the problem is too many people being allowed into supermarkets at the same time.

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"That's shocking. Publicly shaming people. They should be discreet about it.

It's disgusting to be honest.

Most people don't have a problem having to show an exemption but actually the security guards are wrong it doesn't have to be anything official.

If this happened I feel sorry for the guy because he did comply by regulations and then was publically humiliated."

People support this

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So while they were doing this,was there anyone on the door to check the flow of how many were inside the store?

I find that to be a big part of stopping the spread by keeping limitations in the store.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman over a year ago

ashford

Good on em! That's clearly what it needs! X

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"That's shocking. Publicly shaming people. They should be discreet about it.

It's disgusting to be honest.

Most people don't have a problem having to show an exemption but actually the security guards are wrong it doesn't have to be anything official.

If this happened I feel sorry for the guy because he did comply by regulations and then was publically humiliated.

People support this

Unfortunately yes they do.

It is why I am so passionate about people trying to understand why somebody might be exempt.

Happened to that man is shameful but also what if that man has a mental health reason as to why he couldn't wear a mask.

It would be intimidating for anybody but somebody with a mental health condition this could have serious consequences and that isn't being talked about.

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By *onnynclaireCouple over a year ago

Reading

Good!

My pops is exempt from wearing a mask but he still wears it for the health of others if he goes out in public.

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"That's shocking. Publicly shaming people. They should be discreet about it.

It's disgusting to be honest.

Most people don't have a problem having to show an exemption but actually the security guards are wrong it doesn't have to be anything official.

If this happened I feel sorry for the guy because he did comply by regulations and then was publically humiliated.

People support this

Unfortunately yes they do.

It is why I am so passionate about people trying to understand why somebody might be exempt.

Happened to that man is shameful but also what if that man has a mental health reason as to why he couldn't wear a mask.

It would be intimidating for anybody but somebody with a mental health condition this could have serious consequences and that isn't being talked about."

I think we all need to be very careful about what measures we're accepting as "for our own good".

I see a lot of blaming other people going on and while I fully support mask wearing I can't and won't support this kind of aggressive enforcement by supermarket security guards.

By all means take people to one side and discreetly enquire why they aren't wearing a mask or explain how to wear one correctly.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

At the supermarket yesterday the cashier challenged two people who went shopping together , saying one cart per person, understandably. There’s no need for a whole family to go out food shopping and cram the shops.

Also wear the goddamn mask!!

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By *oved Up 2Couple over a year ago

nottingham

The policy is the right thing to do but, equally, there's a correct way of going about enforcing it. Politely asking someone is far preferable to publicly humiliating them

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"That's shocking. Publicly shaming people. They should be discreet about it.

It's disgusting to be honest.

Most people don't have a problem having to show an exemption but actually the security guards are wrong it doesn't have to be anything official.

If this happened I feel sorry for the guy because he did comply by regulations and then was publically humiliated.

People support this

Unfortunately yes they do.

It is why I am so passionate about people trying to understand why somebody might be exempt.

Happened to that man is shameful but also what if that man has a mental health reason as to why he couldn't wear a mask.

It would be intimidating for anybody but somebody with a mental health condition this could have serious consequences and that isn't being talked about.

I think we all need to be very careful about what measures we're accepting as "for our own good".

I see a lot of blaming other people going on and while I fully support mask wearing I can't and won't support this kind of aggressive enforcement by supermarket security guards.

By all means take people to one side and discreetly enquire why they aren't wearing a mask or explain how to wear one correctly. "

I totally agree and contry to popular belief I am not anti mask I think everyone who can wear one should but it has to be accepted that some can't and they should not be treated in this way like you said.

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By *ethnmelvCouple over a year ago

Cardiff

"At the supermarket yesterday the cashier challenged two people who went shopping together , saying one cart per person, understandably. There’s no need for a whole family to go out food shopping and cram the shops.

Also wear the goddamn mask!! "

Agreed, it is not hard to comply with this

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By *andyfloss2000Woman over a year ago

ashford

Also wear the goddamn mask!! "

Yes unfortuanly they still come in in pairs! And it's not the youngsters usually it's the oldies! My age ish! X

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

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By *rincess PhoenixWoman over a year ago

Southampton

The problem is there are some people who are not exempt but say they are as they don't want to wear a mask.

According to the list of exemptions I am exempt but know I'm able to wear a mask so I do

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By *achel SmythTV/TS over a year ago

Farnborough

Possibly a bit too zealous here .... but it is good to see the supermarkets being proactive in protecting both their customers and their staff.

It’s not before time this is being reinforced... to many people (most likely those not exempt, who couldn’t be bothered) have abused supermarket staff for just trying to do their job!

R x

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By *ap d agde coupleCouple over a year ago

Broadstairs

Can see lawyers having a field day with this

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The problem is there are some people who are not exempt but say they are as they don't want to wear a mask.

According to the list of exemptions I am exempt but know I'm able to wear a mask so I do"

Here lies the problem because there actually isn't a list of conditions that make somebody exempt.

It is whether putting on a face covering, taking it off, or wearing one causes severe distress or you physically cannot do those things, or if you have personally been told by a medical professional not to wear one.

So if someone can do those things they are not exempt.

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By *lirty-CoupleCouple over a year ago

Bexley

Both Sainsurys and Tesco are running radio adverts which make it clear that people with exemptions DO NOT NEED TO WEAR A MASK.

Tesco's wesbite states this:

"To protect our customers and colleagues, we won’t let anyone into our stores who is not wearing a face covering, unless they are exempt in line with Government guidance."

Sainsburys states this:

"We are following government guidance and encourage you to please do the same by wearing a mask when you are in our stores. However, we completely understand if you are medically exempt from wearing a mask."

It's really quite simple. People with exemptions don't need to wear masks instore.

Anyone in any doubt should do a screenshot or print out the relevant section to show any over zealous or ill-informed staff they come across.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Both Sainsurys and Tesco are running radio adverts which make it clear that people with exemptions DO NOT NEED TO WEAR A MASK.

Tesco's wesbite states this:

"To protect our customers and colleagues, we won’t let anyone into our stores who is not wearing a face covering, unless they are exempt in line with Government guidance."

Sainsburys states this:

It's really quite simple. People with exemptions don't need to wear masks instore.

Anyone in any doubt should do a screenshot or print out the relevant section to show any over zealous or ill-informed staff they come across."

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By *ethnmelvCouple over a year ago

Cardiff

How about this:

If you can - Wear a mask

If you can’t - use Click & collect or home deliveries.

Do not put other people and yourself at risk.

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By *oan of DArcCouple over a year ago

Glasgow

"Can see lawyers having a field day with this"

In what way?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Why did 3 of you have to go in together?

Well firstly we are a team who are in a specific work bubble.

Secondly we aren't related had our own shopping needs.

As far as I am concerned anybody who has worked flatout throughout this pandemic as a keyworker is more than entitled to go and get some lunch during their working day.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"How about this:

If you can - Wear a mask

If you can’t - use Click & collect or home deliveries.

Do not put other people and yourself at risk."

Seeing as mask wearing is going to be a thing for at least the rest of this year how long exactly would you like these people to stay shut in their homes?

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"How about this:

If you can - Wear a mask

If you can’t - use Click & collect or home deliveries.

Do not put other people and yourself at risk."

I'd be in support of this if the prices for delivery hadn't gone up and/or delivery is as available as it was pre pandemic.

As it is, this is just putting the burden on people with relevant conditions. Either to pay a fee and/or wait a long time for food... or potentially be humiliated

I'm exempt. I fucking try to wear my mask. So far I have, but it's really distressing.

The OP sounds horrifying and I hope I don't have to endure it.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"How about this:

If you can - Wear a mask

If you can’t - use Click & collect or home deliveries.

Do not put other people and yourself at risk.

Seeing as mask wearing is going to be a thing for at least the rest of this year how long exactly would you like these people to stay shut in their homes?"

Yeah I read the OP and went "fuck this I'm not going outside for awhile"

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By * AND R 777Couple over a year ago

Teesside

"That's shocking. Publicly shaming people. They should be discreet about it.

It's disgusting to be honest.

Most people don't have a problem having to show an exemption but actually the security guards are wrong it doesn't have to be anything official.

If this happened I feel sorry for the guy because he did comply by regulations and then was publically humiliated."

If he is to ill to put a mask on he should be shielding, or could put a face shield on

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By *lan157Man over a year ago

a village near Haywards Heath in East Sussex

Given that supermarkets ( inside and outside ) are the only places where people are in close proximity outside of their own bubbles I can't help but think they must be a major source of the virus. Clearly people who genuinely can't wear a face covering are exempt but there are others who exploit that concession because they are not bothered and others who are just negligent in the way it's worn. It seems these latest strains are easier to " catch" than previously which means more awareness is required.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"That's shocking. Publicly shaming people. They should be discreet about it.

It's disgusting to be honest.

Most people don't have a problem having to show an exemption but actually the security guards are wrong it doesn't have to be anything official.

If this happened I feel sorry for the guy because he did comply by regulations and then was publically humiliated.

If he is to ill to put a mask on he should be shielding, or could put a face shield on "

Face covering exemption means all face coverings including shields.

Exemption does not mean "vulnerable to Covid-19"

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By *achel SmythTV/TS over a year ago

Farnborough

"How about this:

If you can - Wear a mask

If you can’t - use Click & collect or home deliveries.

Do not put other people and yourself at risk.

Seeing as mask wearing is going to be a thing for at least the rest of this year how long exactly would you like these people to stay shut in their homes?"

Not at all .... either just stay out of supermarkets for the forseeable, or if they genuinely can’t either use click and collect or wear a face visor NOT a mask! - there are options that help keep others safe!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"That's shocking. Publicly shaming people. They should be discreet about it.

It's disgusting to be honest.

Most people don't have a problem having to show an exemption but actually the security guards are wrong it doesn't have to be anything official.

If this happened I feel sorry for the guy because he did comply by regulations and then was publically humiliated.

If he is to ill to put a mask on he should be shielding, or could put a face shield on "

Being ill and being a shielder does not necessarily make you mask or face covering exempt.

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By *ethnmelvCouple over a year ago

Cardiff

"How about this:

If you can - Wear a mask

If you can’t - use Click & collect or home deliveries.

Do not put other people and yourself at risk.

Seeing as mask wearing is going to be a thing for at least the rest of this year how long exactly would you like these people to stay shut in their homes?"

It is up to people to try to avoid increasing their own and others risk. I haven’t said stay in, I suggested avoiding indoor situations where the risk is highest. So not shut in their homes at all, you don’t need to conflate what I said. It is a simple answer to reducing risk.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman over a year ago

ashford

"How about this:

If you can - Wear a mask

If you can’t - use Click & collect or home deliveries.

Do not put other people and yourself at risk."

Exactly!! X

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"How about this:

If you can - Wear a mask

If you can’t - use Click & collect or home deliveries.

Do not put other people and yourself at risk.

Seeing as mask wearing is going to be a thing for at least the rest of this year how long exactly would you like these people to stay shut in their homes?

The easiest way to reduce the risk is to keep distance and wash hands.

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By *lirty-CoupleCouple over a year ago

Bexley

"The problem is there are some people who are not exempt but say they are as they don't want to wear a mask.

According to the list of exemptions I am exempt but know I'm able to wear a mask so I do

Here lies the problem because there actually isn't a list of conditions that make somebody exempt.

So if someone can do those things they are not exempt."

Hence it's impossible to enforce perfectly and could result in legal action against the stores if they effectively decide someone isn't exempt when in fact they are. The government's own website states this:

"Exemption cards

If you have an age, health or disability reason for not wearing a face covering:

you do not routinely need to show any written evidence of this

you do not need show an exemption card

This means that you do not need to seek advice or request a letter from a medical professional about your reason for not wearing a face covering.

However, some people may feel more comfortable showing something that says they do not have to wear a face covering. This could be in the form of an exemption card, badge or even a home-made sign.

Carrying an exemption card or badge is a personal choice and is not required by law."

This puts the stores in a tough position and facing legal repercussions if they get it wrong.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The problem is there are some people who are not exempt but say they are as they don't want to wear a mask.

According to the list of exemptions I am exempt but know I'm able to wear a mask so I do

Here lies the problem because there actually isn't a list of conditions that make somebody exempt.

So if someone can do those things they are not exempt.

"Exemption cards

If you have an age, health or disability reason for not wearing a face covering:

you do not routinely need to show any written evidence of this

you do not need show an exemption card

This means that you do not need to seek advice or request a letter from a medical professional about your reason for not wearing a face covering.

However, some people may feel more comfortable showing something that says they do not have to wear a face covering. This could be in the form of an exemption card, badge or even a home-made sign.

Carrying an exemption card or badge is a personal choice and is not required by law."

This puts the stores in a tough position and facing legal repercussions if they get it wrong.

I agree and it puts both sides in a different situation.

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By * AND R 777Couple over a year ago

Teesside

"That's shocking. Publicly shaming people. They should be discreet about it.

It's disgusting to be honest.

Most people don't have a problem having to show an exemption but actually the security guards are wrong it doesn't have to be anything official.

If this happened I feel sorry for the guy because he did comply by regulations and then was publically humiliated.

If he is to ill to put a mask on he should be shielding, or could put a face shield on

Being ill and being a shielder does not necessarily make you mask or face covering exempt."

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"How about this:

If you can - Wear a mask

If you can’t - use Click & collect or home deliveries.

Do not put other people and yourself at risk.

Seeing as mask wearing is going to be a thing for at least the rest of this year how long exactly would you like these people to stay shut in their homes?"

The flip side is the goverment, media and scientists are saying the cost to allow those exempt (and those not to continue) from not wearing a mask to shop in supermarkerts (high transmission enviroments) will directly lead to other people loosing their life.

That basically is the blunt cost i.e. it will cost lives.

At the same time nobody is saying stay at home full stop, you can still leave the house get fresh air, exercise etc. People are saying just don't go into high transmission enviroments without a mask because the price others will have to pay is far to great.

It's like the small business destroyed after 20 years of sweat and toil. The reason it happened was to save lives ergo that in itself means (to many) it was a price that needed to be paid.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

working in security, as I do, you are damned if you do and damned if you don't... most people blatantly lie about being exempt... and are often obviously cocksure and wankery about it. The people wearing masks and obeying the rules deserve protection from entitled wankers.

good security will usually be able to determine a genuine case or mistake

remember there are lots of people who are exempt and wear one anyway. imo if you're employing security they need template to work to and the public need to see them doing something proactive. should be like any venue.. if you ain't got a ticket.. you're not coming in.

its like a trouble maker coming into a club with a camera or causing trouble. you'd want staff to be proactive

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"That's shocking. Publicly shaming people. They should be discreet about it.

It's disgusting to be honest.

Most people don't have a problem having to show an exemption but actually the security guards are wrong it doesn't have to be anything official.

If this happened I feel sorry for the guy because he did comply by regulations and then was publically humiliated.

If he is to ill to put a mask on he should be shielding, or could put a face shield on

Being ill and being a shielder does not necessarily make you mask or face covering exempt.

My point was somebody could be perfectly physically healthy but still be exempt.

Somebody could look young and healthy but have a perfectly valid exemption.

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By * AND R 777Couple over a year ago

Teesside

"That's shocking. Publicly shaming people. They should be discreet about it.

It's disgusting to be honest.

Most people don't have a problem having to show an exemption but actually the security guards are wrong it doesn't have to be anything official.

If this happened I feel sorry for the guy because he did comply by regulations and then was publically humiliated.

If he is to ill to put a mask on he should be shielding, or could put a face shield on

Face covering exemption means all face coverings including shields.

Exemption does not mean "vulnerable to Covid-19""

Everyone is vulnerable to covid, why do some people think they can spred it about without a thought for others,

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"How about this:

If you can - Wear a mask

If you can’t - use Click & collect or home deliveries.

Do not put other people and yourself at risk.

Seeing as mask wearing is going to be a thing for at least the rest of this year how long exactly would you like these people to stay shut in their homes?

That basically is the blunt cost i.e. it will cost lives.

It's like the small business destroyed after 20 years of sweat and toil. The reason it happened was to save lives ergo that in itself means (to many) it was a price that needed to be paid.

I think you are missing the point because actually nobody is saying including the government and supermarkets that Mask exempt people shouldn't go to supermarkets or anywhere else for that matter its just individuals have decided that they don't think they should.

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By *incskittenWoman over a year ago

Nottingham

"Why did 3 of you have to go in together?

Well firstly we are a team who are in a specific work bubble.

Secondly we aren't related had our own shopping needs.

As far as I am concerned anybody who has worked flatout throughout this pandemic as a keyworker is more than entitled to go and get some lunch during their working day.

KJ"

One of you could have shopped...it didnt need 3 of you.The supermarkets are trying to limit numbers.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

I'm exempt. I wear one anyway. It brings me close to panic but I'm *fucking trying*.

I avoid shopping as much as I can and it does a number on my mental health. It ruins my day. Literally. The fear means I crawl into bed. I dread it with every fibre of my being.

Being confronted or seeing other people being confronted might make the difference between me only having my day ruined by fear... and me decompensating in the supermarket.

Can we not humiliate people who are doing their best? I'm trying. My nose is always covered. I don't touch the mask or my face or my hair. I keep my distance. I try not to touch anything until I'm sure I'm buying it. I'm polite and grateful and thank every worker I can.

I'm vulnerable. This will make me way more vulnerable.

And I see people cheering on the exacerbation of my vulnerability.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why did 3 of you have to go in together?

Well firstly we are a team who are in a specific work bubble.

Secondly we aren't related had our own shopping needs.

As far as I am concerned anybody who has worked flatout throughout this pandemic as a keyworker is more than entitled to go and get some lunch during their working day.

One of you could have shopped...it didnt need 3 of you.The supermarkets are trying to limit numbers. "

Exactly they didn't want anyone else to do their shopping for them but they expect someone who is face covering exempt to have to do just that.

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By *achel SmythTV/TS over a year ago

Farnborough

My point was somebody could be perfectly physically healthy but still be exempt.

Somebody could look young and healthy but have a perfectly valid exemption."

Completely agree with this ..... but they can still pass on the virus exactly the same as anyone else who may be infected - they aren’t exempt from that!

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"That's shocking. Publicly shaming people. They should be discreet about it.

It's disgusting to be honest.

Most people don't have a problem having to show an exemption but actually the security guards are wrong it doesn't have to be anything official.

If this happened I feel sorry for the guy because he did comply by regulations and then was publically humiliated.

If he is to ill to put a mask on he should be shielding, or could put a face shield on

Face covering exemption means all face coverings including shields.

Exemption does not mean "vulnerable to Covid-19"

Everyone is vulnerable to covid, why do some people think they can spred it about without a thought for others,

You misunderstand.

People shield because they're particularly vulnerable. More at risk of death or disability.

People are exempt from face coverings for other reasons unrelated to particular high risk from Covid.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

My point was somebody could be perfectly physically healthy but still be exempt.

Somebody could look young and healthy but have a perfectly valid exemption.

Completely agree with this ..... but they can still pass on the virus exactly the same as anyone else who may be infected - they aren’t exempt from that! "

As can the vast majority of people who are not wearing a mask properly, or keeping their distance or putting hand sanitizer on, let's not just target one group.

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By *oan of DArcCouple over a year ago

Glasgow

Carrying an exemption card or badge is a personal choice and is not required by law."

This puts the stores in a tough position and facing legal repercussions if they get it wrong.

The stores though are private businesses, and therefore reserve the right to refuse service, unless the non-mask wearers are protected under discrimination legislation.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan over a year ago

here

"That's shocking. Publicly shaming people. They should be discreet about it.

It's disgusting to be honest.

Most people don't have a problem having to show an exemption but actually the security guards are wrong it doesn't have to be anything official.

If this happened I feel sorry for the guy because he did comply by regulations and then was publically humiliated.

People support this

Unfortunately yes they do.

It is why I am so passionate about people trying to understand why somebody might be exempt.

Happened to that man is shameful but also what if that man has a mental health reason as to why he couldn't wear a mask.

It would be intimidating for anybody but somebody with a mental health condition this could have serious consequences and that isn't being talked about.

I think we all need to be very careful about what measures we're accepting as "for our own good".

I see a lot of blaming other people going on and while I fully support mask wearing I can't and won't support this kind of aggressive enforcement by supermarket security guards.

By all means take people to one side and discreetly enquire why they aren't wearing a mask or explain how to wear one correctly. "

I agree

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By *lirty-CoupleCouple over a year ago

Bexley

"working in security, as I do, you are damned if you do and damned if you don't... most people blatantly lie about being exempt... and are often obviously cocksure and wankery about it. The people wearing masks and obeying the rules deserve protection from entitled wankers.

good security will usually be able to determine a genuine case or mistake

its like a trouble maker coming into a club with a camera or causing trouble. you'd want staff to be proactive

Your employers put you in this position by asking you to try to enforce a rule which doesn't require proof of exemption. The rules are quite clear as posted above from HMG's own website.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"How about this:

If you can - Wear a mask

If you can’t - use Click & collect or home deliveries.

Do not put other people and yourself at risk.

Seeing as mask wearing is going to be a thing for at least the rest of this year how long exactly would you like these people to stay shut in their homes?

That basically is the blunt cost i.e. it will cost lives.

It's like the small business destroyed after 20 years of sweat and toil. The reason it happened was to save lives ergo that in itself means (to many) it was a price that needed to be paid.

Ok a very simply question do you accept that to allow those exempt from mask wearing to shop in supermarkets will sadly and ultimately mean in terms of cost other people will loose their lives?

To not accept that is to directly disput the science. In accepting that cost of not wearing a mask in supermarkets will be in death caused to some others do you personally think that's an acceptable price to pay to avoid discrimination (even short term)?

It's all to easy to avoid the devastating cost i.e. it leads to more death and try and mitigate that hard to accept fact with well wash your hands etc.

If you answer the above truly and honestly then regardless of your viewpoint ill respect your stance on the issue.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Just to add I thought the security were to heavy handed and it could have been dealt with more diplomatically and with sensitivity.

Also a couple that entered both with a lanyard were not challenged at all.

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By *ady LickWoman over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

I'm going to Sainsburys in a bit. I shall report back on my experience.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman over a year ago

ashford

"How about this:

If you can - Wear a mask

If you can’t - use Click & collect or home deliveries.

Do not put other people and yourself at risk.

Seeing as mask wearing is going to be a thing for at least the rest of this year how long exactly would you like these people to stay shut in their homes?

That basically is the blunt cost i.e. it will cost lives.

It's like the small business destroyed after 20 years of sweat and toil. The reason it happened was to save lives ergo that in itself means (to many) it was a price that needed to be paid.

Ok a very simply question do you accept that to allow those exempt from mask wearing to shop in supermarkets will sadly and ultimately mean in terms of cost other people will loose their lives?

It's all to easy to avoid the devastating cost i.e. it leads to more death and try and mitigate that hard to accept fact with well wash your hands etc.

If you answer the above truly and honestly then regardless of your viewpoint ill respect your stance on the issue.

KJ"

This is exactly my thoughts someone may have to die so someone is not discriminated against! The answer is obvious x

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

I think stigmatising the vulnerable is the very, very last thing we should do, and ideally not at all.

And I don't just say that because I'm vulnerable too.

I just want to do my shopping and not take a delivery slot from someone who might die if they catch Covid. I won't die from having a panic attack. It'll just make me feel awful for a few days.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"How about this:

If you can - Wear a mask

If you can’t - use Click & collect or home deliveries.

Do not put other people and yourself at risk.

Seeing as mask wearing is going to be a thing for at least the rest of this year how long exactly would you like these people to stay shut in their homes?

That basically is the blunt cost i.e. it will cost lives.

It's like the small business destroyed after 20 years of sweat and toil. The reason it happened was to save lives ergo that in itself means (to many) it was a price that needed to be paid.

Ok a very simply question do you accept that to allow those exempt from mask wearing to shop in supermarkets will sadly and ultimately mean in terms of cost other people will loose their lives?

It's all to easy to avoid the devastating cost i.e. it leads to more death and try and mitigate that hard to accept fact with well wash your hands etc.

If you answer the above truly and honestly then regardless of your viewpoint ill respect your stance on the issue.

KJ"

I think it is very unhelpful to suggest somebody who is exempt because let's remember so are children under 11 is responsible for somebody else's death.

During the first wave between March and May we did not have mask or coverings and on the whole I felt safer in the supermarket than I do now with people wearing them.

When we were not wearing them supermarkets were being careful about numbers and people would be more careful about social distancing. Wearing a face covering does not make you immune from spreading the virus Especially if it is not worn properly and distance is not being kept.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Please go reread my experience.

I leave my apartment complex once a week or less to go grocery shopping. I leave my apartment 2-3 times a week more than that, to do such luxurious things as take the bin out.

I'm doing everything in my power. I'm managing my condition. I'm making my condition worse by trying to protect people.

Why do you all want to shit on me and my vulnerability?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Why did 3 of you have to go in together?

Well firstly we are a team who are in a specific work bubble.

Secondly we aren't related had our own shopping needs.

As far as I am concerned anybody who has worked flatout throughout this pandemic as a keyworker is more than entitled to go and get some lunch during their working day.

One of you could have shopped...it didnt need 3 of you.The supermarkets are trying to limit numbers.

Exactly they didn't want anyone else to do their shopping for them but they expect someone who is face covering exempt to have to do just that."

We are 3 separate households all key workers since March. None of use carry cash we are not going to send 1 person in with various bank cards pins etc its a relatively new team we aren't that familiar yet.

Most importantly we were all wearing masks to protect OTHER people! We didn't shop together we went separately to different areas of the shop. Finally after picking up our own lunch we were all going separate ways anyway 1 back to the office, myself to drop off a van load at a foodbank and the other was meeting a client to provide him ppi for a job start.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why did 3 of you have to go in together?

Well firstly we are a team who are in a specific work bubble.

Secondly we aren't related had our own shopping needs.

As far as I am concerned anybody who has worked flatout throughout this pandemic as a keyworker is more than entitled to go and get some lunch during their working day.

One of you could have shopped...it didnt need 3 of you.The supermarkets are trying to limit numbers.

Exactly they didn't want anyone else to do their shopping for them but they expect someone who is face covering exempt to have to do just that.

KJ "

Just remember people who are also mask exempt still work and still do valuable things for their community.

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By *lirty-CoupleCouple over a year ago

Bexley

Most masks I see being used in the shops seem to be little more than scarves, handkerchiefs, odd bits of material or cheap disposable ones many of which are being worn again and again. None of these are going to be particuarly effective in reducing transmission even if they're being used properly which many aren't. The simplest and most effective way to hinder transmission is keeping your hands clean. I wear a mask in shops but don't believe it has much value to me or anyone else.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"How about this:

If you can - Wear a mask

If you can’t - use Click & collect or home deliveries.

Do not put other people and yourself at risk.

Seeing as mask wearing is going to be a thing for at least the rest of this year how long exactly would you like these people to stay shut in their homes?

That basically is the blunt cost i.e. it will cost lives.

It's like the small business destroyed after 20 years of sweat and toil. The reason it happened was to save lives ergo that in itself means (to many) it was a price that needed to be paid.

Ok a very simply question do you accept that to allow those exempt from mask wearing to shop in supermarkets will sadly and ultimately mean in terms of cost other people will loose their lives?

It's all to easy to avoid the devastating cost i.e. it leads to more death and try and mitigate that hard to accept fact with well wash your hands etc.

If you answer the above truly and honestly then regardless of your viewpoint ill respect your stance on the issue.

I think it is very unhelpful to suggest somebody who is exempt because let's remember so are children under 11 is responsible for somebody else's death.

During the first wave between March and May we did not have mask or coverings and on the whole I felt safer in the supermarket than I do now with people wearing them.

My point is the media, politicians and the scientists are telling the general public that not wearing a mask will lead to somebody else dying that's the cost. There's no sugarcoating that and its the reason so many people are scared of those who don't wear masks (for whatever reason).

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By *tace 309TV/TS over a year ago

durham

"Why did 3 of you have to go in together?

"
I thought the new policy was shop alone now as too many families have been counting a trip to the shops as an outing

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By *andyfloss2000Woman over a year ago

ashford

"How about this:

If you can - Wear a mask

If you can’t - use Click & collect or home deliveries.

Do not put other people and yourself at risk.

Seeing as mask wearing is going to be a thing for at least the rest of this year how long exactly would you like these people to stay shut in their homes?

That basically is the blunt cost i.e. it will cost lives.

It's like the small business destroyed after 20 years of sweat and toil. The reason it happened was to save lives ergo that in itself means (to many) it was a price that needed to be paid.

Ok a very simply question do you accept that to allow those exempt from mask wearing to shop in supermarkets will sadly and ultimately mean in terms of cost other people will loose their lives?

It's all to easy to avoid the devastating cost i.e. it leads to more death and try and mitigate that hard to accept fact with well wash your hands etc.

If you answer the above truly and honestly then regardless of your viewpoint ill respect your stance on the issue.

I think it is very unhelpful to suggest somebody who is exempt because let's remember so are children under 11 is responsible for somebody else's death.

During the first wave between March and May we did not have mask or coverings and on the whole I felt safer in the supermarket than I do now with people wearing them.

KJ"

Yup! In a nutshell! X

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By *hagTonightMan over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

That is good, but they could of been more discreet about it and for those who are exempt from it, they are exempt but not from the virus, so it is a catch 22 in away there.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"How about this:

If you can - Wear a mask

If you can’t - use Click & collect or home deliveries.

Do not put other people and yourself at risk.

Seeing as mask wearing is going to be a thing for at least the rest of this year how long exactly would you like these people to stay shut in their homes?

That basically is the blunt cost i.e. it will cost lives.

It's like the small business destroyed after 20 years of sweat and toil. The reason it happened was to save lives ergo that in itself means (to many) it was a price that needed to be paid.

Ok a very simply question do you accept that to allow those exempt from mask wearing to shop in supermarkets will sadly and ultimately mean in terms of cost other people will loose their lives?

It's all to easy to avoid the devastating cost i.e. it leads to more death and try and mitigate that hard to accept fact with well wash your hands etc.

If you answer the above truly and honestly then regardless of your viewpoint ill respect your stance on the issue.

I think it is very unhelpful to suggest somebody who is exempt because let's remember so are children under 11 is responsible for somebody else's death.

During the first wave between March and May we did not have mask or coverings and on the whole I felt safer in the supermarket than I do now with people wearing them.

KJ"

People can be scared but what they can't do is humiliate and shame people. It's a shame people are not scared enough to keep their distance though.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

People can be scared but what they can't do is humiliate and shame people. It's a shame people are not scared enough to keep their distance though."

Right?!

What's more of a problem. The disabled/exempt trying to do their shopping without being harassed, or the fact that most people won't back the hell off anymore?!

A mask isn't a forcefield. It's one of many mitigation strategies including distance.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

People can be scared but what they can't do is humiliate and shame people. It's a shame people are not scared enough to keep their distance though.

Right?!

What's more of a problem. The disabled/exempt trying to do their shopping without being harassed, or the fact that most people won't back the hell off anymore?!

A mask isn't a forcefield. It's one of many mitigation strategies including distance."

You have hit the nail on the head.

There are so many people that don't observe the rules in supermarkets but those without a face covering are obvious and easy targets rather than people examining their own behaviour.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Please go reread my experience.

I leave my apartment complex once a week or less to go grocery shopping. I leave my apartment 2-3 times a week more than that, to do such luxurious things as take the bin out.

I'm doing everything in my power. I'm managing my condition. I'm making my condition worse by trying to protect people.

Why do you all want to shit on me and my vulnerability?"

Personally I think you have gone above and beyond in terms of your volunteer work supporting the vunerable.

I have never share this but I'm ex military and suffered very bad ptsd wearing masks for me as well has been an incredible challenge. I went through countless types to find one that I could start to train myself to cope with.

I had to do it bit by bit managing seconds at first then minutes. I've ran out of shops to take it off and be able to breath again.

In time I slowly built up some tolerance but even now about 10 minutes and I'm absolutely fried. I can manage getting around the office floors to my desk / office where I can take it off and quick shop trips like today.

The fact you have made monumental efforts with masks yourself shows how much you care about others.

We have to order our main shop via delivery so I also know about the increased delivery slots, last minute delivery cancellations and all the chew it comes with.

I may not always agree with you (I often do) but I do have a lot of respect for you as a poster. I wish you all the best during this times.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Please go reread my experience.

I leave my apartment complex once a week or less to go grocery shopping. I leave my apartment 2-3 times a week more than that, to do such luxurious things as take the bin out.

I'm doing everything in my power. I'm managing my condition. I'm making my condition worse by trying to protect people.

Why do you all want to shit on me and my vulnerability?

Personally I think you have gone above and beyond in terms of your volunteer work supporting the vunerable.

I had to do it bit by bit managing seconds at first then minutes. I've ran out of shops to take it off and be able to breath again.

The fact you have made monumental efforts with masks yourself shows how much you care about others.

We have to order our main shop via delivery so I also know about the increased delivery slots, last minute delivery cancellations and all the chew it comes with.

I may not always agree with you (I often do) but I do have a lot of respect for you as a poster. I wish you all the best during this times.

The thing is you know a little bit about this poster because of what she has posted and how hard she has tried and what she does for her community.

You don't know the same about the random person in the supermarket in front of you so it's probably a good idea just to assume everybody is doing their best.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

People can be scared but what they can't do is humiliate and shame people. It's a shame people are not scared enough to keep their distance though.

Right?!

What's more of a problem. The disabled/exempt trying to do their shopping without being harassed, or the fact that most people won't back the hell off anymore?!

A mask isn't a forcefield. It's one of many mitigation strategies including distance.

You have hit the nail on the head.

There are so many people that don't observe the rules in supermarkets but those without a face covering are obvious and easy targets rather than people examining their own behaviour."

I'd also suggest that the Covid load in any supermarket would be lower by shaming people into covering their noses - there's a lot more of them than maskless adults.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Please go reread my experience.

I leave my apartment complex once a week or less to go grocery shopping. I leave my apartment 2-3 times a week more than that, to do such luxurious things as take the bin out.

I'm doing everything in my power. I'm managing my condition. I'm making my condition worse by trying to protect people.

Why do you all want to shit on me and my vulnerability?

Personally I think you have gone above and beyond in terms of your volunteer work supporting the vunerable.

I had to do it bit by bit managing seconds at first then minutes. I've ran out of shops to take it off and be able to breath again.

The fact you have made monumental efforts with masks yourself shows how much you care about others.

We have to order our main shop via delivery so I also know about the increased delivery slots, last minute delivery cancellations and all the chew it comes with.

I may not always agree with you (I often do) but I do have a lot of respect for you as a poster. I wish you all the best during this times.

I appreciate that. And ditto, I have a lot of respect for you.

I just think this is the wrong approach. That singling out the disabled is not the answer.

The more people who wear masks the better, but we need to protect everyone.

I *can* exacerbate my condition and survive the supermarket (although the price is way too high). Not everyone who is exempt can, which is why the exemption exists.

I understand the desire, it's something obvious that can be seen. We're all scared and tired and angry.

But not like this. Please, not like this. I just want to be able to shop for myself, not be a burden on an over stretched system.

I'm asking so very little.

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By *ornLordMan over a year ago

Wiltshire and London

"How about this:

If you can - Wear a mask

If you can’t - use Click & collect or home deliveries.

Do not put other people and yourself at risk."

Seems bleedin' obvious really! Or do people think 'exempt' means they can't catch or carry the virus?

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By *arah_11TV/TS over a year ago

Yeadon/Leeds

There's no such thing as a 'work bubble'

You may work together, and your company will have Covid safe procedures etc but as soon as you are not working you have to follow guidelines/rules/laws

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Please go reread my experience.

I leave my apartment complex once a week or less to go grocery shopping. I leave my apartment 2-3 times a week more than that, to do such luxurious things as take the bin out.

I'm doing everything in my power. I'm managing my condition. I'm making my condition worse by trying to protect people.

Why do you all want to shit on me and my vulnerability?

Personally I think you have gone above and beyond in terms of your volunteer work supporting the vunerable.

I had to do it bit by bit managing seconds at first then minutes. I've ran out of shops to take it off and be able to breath again.

The fact you have made monumental efforts with masks yourself shows how much you care about others.

We have to order our main shop via delivery so I also know about the increased delivery slots, last minute delivery cancellations and all the chew it comes with.

I may not always agree with you (I often do) but I do have a lot of respect for you as a poster. I wish you all the best during this times.

The thing is you know a little bit about this poster because of what she has posted and how hard she has tried and what she does for her community.

You don't know the same about the random person in the supermarket in front of you so it's probably a good idea just to assume everybody is doing their best."

I don't make any assumptions about random people. Any information I have from those who don't wear masks around me is what they have offered to me or I have learnt 1st hand. As I have stated before lots of people I work with didn't wear masks because they didn't want to and were pround not to tbh. Now the same people have to wear a mask to enter a supermarket (and 2 I know are doing so) that is a good thing imo.

I simply believe that if science is saying no masks in high transmission areas i.e. supermarkets leads directly to other people's deaths then to me that price to pay is to high sorry.

Therefore I believe while the NHS is in danger of been over run for what should only be months anyone who can't wear a mask should not go into supermarkets. From the goverment downwards there should be support in place to ensure they don't need to. It's clear this support is in place to varying degrees of success / failure in different places of the UK. (I know this because I work with different teams providing this support on a daily basis).

I simply have a different point of view Lorna.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Every decision, barring locking us all in our houses, is a compromise of risk and benefit. Every one.

What I'm saying, and what Lorna is saying, is that we do not believe that confronting vulnerable people is justified or moral. That there are other actions which would do more good and cause less harm.