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Lord Scumbag how dare you put a value on life
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By *isaB45Woman
over a year ago
Fabville |
"Solomonly swear to NEVER even think of using a hospital again for what ever reason"
Can you please have that tattooed onto your forehead. That way, it will save time whem the ambulance arrives.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Solomonly swear to NEVER even think of using a hospital again for what ever reason"
Assume you mean the Judge (Lord Sumption) to not use a hospital and not yourself?
https://www.itv.com/news/2021-01-17/former-judge-tells-cancer-patient-her-life-is-less-valuable-than-others |
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But we do, do this. How many people would donate kidneys and bone marrow etc regardless of the risks to themselves for their children, survival of the fittest is a natural reaction when people are in a accident for example, its part of our fight or flight response.
For a negative eg how many people partied and when asked why replied that well I am not going to catch covid-19 because I am healthy, health shaming is unfortunately rife and especially in this pandemic |
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My mum watched this, it upset her.
The debate needs to be had because like it or not decisions are made daily on how valuable a life is. Certain drugs and treatments aren't available because they're too expensive, a time will come if it hasn't already, when some poor doctor is going to have to decide which patient to give an icu bed to according to their chance of survival.
There are a lot of people currently who would happily sacrifice the old and vulnerable as if their contribution to society counts for nothing. I reminded my mum yesterday that during times of war people will happily sacrifice the young and fit, it's not personal. Society is so easily lead but if it came down to individuals having to make the choice I doubt many would set their granny afloat on an ice floe |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Solomonly swear to NEVER even think of using a hospital again for what ever reason
Can you please have that tattooed onto your forehead. That way, it will save time whem the ambulance arrives.."
I believe op is directing that message at lord scumbag, not claiming he himself wont do that. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"My mum watched this, it upset her.
The debate needs to be had because like it or not decisions are made daily on how valuable a life is. Certain drugs and treatments aren't available because they're too expensive, a time will come if it hasn't already, when some poor doctor is going to have to decide which patient to give an icu bed to according to their chance of survival.
There are a lot of people currently who would happily sacrifice the old and vulnerable as if their contribution to society counts for nothing. I reminded my mum yesterday that during times of war people will happily sacrifice the young and fit, it's not personal. Society is so easily lead but if it came down to individuals having to make the choice I doubt many would set their granny afloat on an ice floe "
i agree, even think about a life of death situation and how many of you would save your children before yourself?
its not a nice thought but the reality is not all life is equal , partly due to evolution , and partly even down to humanity , it would be great if where we each sat in the scale never had to be determined but unfortunately situations like 2 patients one icu bed make it on occasion unavoidable |
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I've not seen the video so can only go by the online article but it think it does demonstrate there is a very important issue that needs to be discussed even if it isn't remotely palatable.
I agree with his first quote that the lives of his children and grandchildren are worth more than his own for the reason he gives but I think he could have worded it better.
The NHS makes decisions every day based on that guys "reasoning"
It's just how he phrased it that people have latched on to.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I've not seen the video so can only go by the online article but it think it does demonstrate there is a very important issue that needs to be discussed even if it isn't remotely palatable.
I agree with his first quote that the lives of his children and grandchildren are worth more than his own for the reason he gives but I think he could have worded it better.
The NHS makes decisions every day based on that guys "reasoning"
It's just how he phrased it that people have latched on to.
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I think you have a good point.
The problem is like you say is his wording, I've heard plenty Of interviews with this man and he does speak with very clumsy and sometimes I feel inappropriate language.
The thing is if you are going to talk about something so sensitive you have to choose your words carefully because otherwise like you said people will just latch on to certain words and won't be able to get past that. |
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By *dsindyTV/TS
over a year ago
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Reading the article, he doesnt say her life isn't valuable, just LESS valuable....I can only assume because of her condition. This is a very simplistic stand, and (to me at least) indicative of a attitude where life is a commodity.
I wonder what his viewpoint would be if one of his grandchildren had an incurable disease (god forbid that would ever happen). Would he then be saying THEIR life was less valuable? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Reading the article, he doesnt say her life isn't valuable, just LESS valuable....I can only assume because of her condition. This is a very simplistic stand, and (to me at least) indicative of a attitude where life is a commodity.
I wonder what his viewpoint would be if one of his grandchildren had an incurable disease (god forbid that would ever happen). Would he then be saying THEIR life was less valuable?"
and there in lies the problem people have with what he said - they attached emotion to what are (unpalatable) facts , asking him to consider it with personal emotion is asking him to put bias into the data |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I've not seen the video so can only go by the online article but it think it does demonstrate there is a very important issue that needs to be discussed even if it isn't remotely palatable.
I agree with his first quote that the lives of his children and grandchildren are worth more than his own for the reason he gives but I think he could have worded it better.
The NHS makes decisions every day based on that guys "reasoning"
It's just how he phrased it that people have latched on to.
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By *aralewisCouple
over a year ago
South Yorkshire |
The harsh truth is the young usually would get the treatment over an old person
Because the old lived and the young got their life ahead
And if life didn’t have a price on it
You wouldn’t hear they can’t treat some cancer patients cos the drugs to expensive
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By *j48Man
over a year ago
Wigan |
A government can borrow money on it future predicted tax revenue..
The less of a life expectancy of a person means some people are worth more than others at a particular point in time.
The way it is.. |
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It’s not a very empathetic interaction but unfortunately it is reality and pretending it isn’t the case doesn’t help. If you can only save one person from drowning you would save the healthy toddler not the 95 year old with a month to live. You would make a choice that the toddlers life is ‘more valuable’. The government has to make these choices all the time lots of different ways. The public think they want to know these things but they don’t really want to understand. |
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