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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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should all that work in care homes be told no vaccine no job ....
300 staff in group only 7 have said no
owners have said no vaccine no job and are looking to change contracts as are many others..
other staff refusing to work with those who wont have the vaccine...
familys of residents and residents themselves asking only for care workers ho have had vaccine ...
the law is very grey in this area and to be honest seems more on the employers side because its health care...
so those of you that work in care has this subject come up at all yet ?? how do you feel ?? are you family of someone in care ifso how do you feel too ...
keep it nice and do bash others opinions as we all have a rights to answer in these free forums |
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"should all that work in care homes be told no vaccine no job ....
300 staff in group only 7 have said no
owners have said no vaccine no job and are looking to change contracts as are many others..
other staff refusing to work with those who wont have the vaccine...
familys of residents and residents themselves asking only for care workers ho have had vaccine ...
the law is very grey in this area and to be honest seems more on the employers side because its health care...
so those of you that work in care has this subject come up at all yet ?? how do you feel ?? are you family of someone in care ifso how do you feel too ...
keep it nice and do bash others opinions as we all have a rights to answer in these free forums"
All of our residents and staff have been vaccinated, no declines in our PCN and we have over 500 care beds |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"should all that work in care homes be told no vaccine no job ....
300 staff in group only 7 have said no
owners have said no vaccine no job and are looking to change contracts as are many others..
other staff refusing to work with those who wont have the vaccine...
familys of residents and residents themselves asking only for care workers ho have had vaccine ...
the law is very grey in this area and to be honest seems more on the employers side because its health care...
so those of you that work in care has this subject come up at all yet ?? how do you feel ?? are you family of someone in care ifso how do you feel too ...
keep it nice and do not bash others opinions as we all have a rights to answer in these free forums"
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I can see where relatives are coming from because obviously they want their loved ones to be cared for and protected as much as possible.
However because the vaccine only seems at the moment to be proven to protect the individual who has received the vaccine I think it would be tricky to prove these people are putting their relatives at risk.
Iv no idea where the law stands on this but I do know that certain jobs require you to have had the hepatitis vaccine so there must be some sort of employment law that allows this I would guess. |
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I think that in these situations that they should be taking them. My friend works at a care home and has always had to have the flu jab.. and this is no different.
I think many places will end up making it a reason to deny employment.. as to the legality of it I haven't got a clue. |
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"should all that work in care homes be told no vaccine no job ....
300 staff in group only 7 have said no
owners have said no vaccine no job and are looking to change contracts as are many others..
other staff refusing to work with those who wont have the vaccine...
familys of residents and residents themselves asking only for care workers ho have had vaccine ...
the law is very grey in this area and to be honest seems more on the employers side because its health care...
so those of you that work in care has this subject come up at all yet ?? how do you feel ?? are you family of someone in care ifso how do you feel too ...
keep it nice and do bash others opinions as we all have a rights to answer in these free forums"
As I've just posted elsewhere, it's too late for my dear old mum. Given it by a carer... I'm raw and emotional. Sometimes we have to do what's right rather than what's easy.
However, if I were a carer.... Id probably want a bit more evidence what kind of difference it makes.
Right now I'd suggest testing and protocols are a better way of keeping residents safe.
Ie all staff tested everyday. All staff clean uniform and air locked changing procedures.
As and when evidence of how much impact of vaccine has on transmission... Sure
. Do the right thing. As someone whose gonna lose his mum in the next 24 hours....I'd do anything reasonable to have stopped her catching it. And having a jab is pretty reasonable. |
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"My daughter had the vaccine last Sunday she tested positive yesterday"
It takes 2-3 weeks after the vaccine for maximum antibody protection and even then you can still catch it. The vaccine helps you body recognise the virus and respond faster therefore should stop you getting seriously ill. |
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By *ustBoWoman
over a year ago
Somewhere in Co. Down |
I'm a carer and we have had our vaccines both residents and staff. A few people refused to get theirs and that is their choice. You can't force people to get a vaccine. Everyone has a right to make that decision for themselves. I got mine because as far as I'm concerned the pros outweighed the cons.
If there will be any repercussions in the future I don't know but at the moment everyone is working away together just as we have up until now. Full ppe is still worn and all guidelines are being followed. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I'm a carer and we have had our vaccines both residents and staff. A few people refused to get theirs and that is their choice. You can't force people to get a vaccine. Everyone has a right to make that decision for themselves. I got mine because as far as I'm concerned the pros outweighed the cons.
If there will be any repercussions in the future I don't know but at the moment everyone is working away together just as we have up until now. Full ppe is still worn and all guidelines are being followed. "
nobody is talking about forcing anyone we all know we have a choice but so do the employers and residents and other staff |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"My daughter had the vaccine last Sunday she tested positive yesterday
Hope she recovers quickly. "
Me too, she's got really bad headaches more than anything |
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By *ustBoWoman
over a year ago
Somewhere in Co. Down |
"I'm a carer and we have had our vaccines both residents and staff. A few people refused to get theirs and that is their choice. You can't force people to get a vaccine. Everyone has a right to make that decision for themselves. I got mine because as far as I'm concerned the pros outweighed the cons.
If there will be any repercussions in the future I don't know but at the moment everyone is working away together just as we have up until now. Full ppe is still worn and all guidelines are being followed.
nobody is talking about forcing anyone we all know we have a choice but so do the employers and residents and other staff"
I never said anyone was forcing anyone. I said people can't be forced that's all.
We all have choices. My choice is to work with my collegues just as I have all the way through this. I haven't taken notes on who has or hasn't taken the vaccine as that is none of my business. We continue to follow all the guidelines and hope it keeps working for us. |
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"I'm a carer and we have had our vaccines both residents and staff. A few people refused to get theirs and that is their choice. You can't force people to get a vaccine. Everyone has a right to make that decision for themselves. I got mine because as far as I'm concerned the pros outweighed the cons.
If there will be any repercussions in the future I don't know but at the moment everyone is working away together just as we have up until now. Full ppe is still worn and all guidelines are being followed.
nobody is talking about forcing anyone we all know we have a choice but so do the employers and residents and other staff"
Yeah as we've seen in these fora. It has the potential to be divisive. But illness and death tends to focus the thoughts a bit. I imagine it will arrive at a balance at some point. But we just need more evidence to try to convince people to make the right choice. |
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All of the care homes that I have to visit make us do a test before being allowed to enter and work in the building.
One made me test even though I was working outside should I just need to use the toilet I'll still have to enter the building.
In my opinion this is definitely a step in the right direction.
I had 3 tests in less than a 48hr period last week. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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everybody know you cant force people this is more from the angle of the employer and the job ...
we all know its not a cure and you can still catch it again its not about that ..
this post is about the vaccine and the job in care |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I work in a care home and have been vaccinated
Some staff have chosen not to be, as have some residents
It's encouraged, but everyones right to choose what they do or do not put into their bodies is rightly respected.
That's how it should be
Everyone has a right to bodily autonomy, at least they do where I work, thankfully  |
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"Same know someone who has had the vaccine 2weeks ago nearly and she tested positive yesterday. "
did they have tests before having the virus.. also I'd be curious as to if the test picks up the vaccine as it is giving you a "safe" version of it ...
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"No no no and no
The only benefit from the vaccine is it MAY reduce symptoms..
No enployer has a right to dictate what is stuck into your body. End of "
Some work places require you to have the to have the hepatitis vaccine and have done for years. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"No no no and no
The only benefit from the vaccine is it MAY reduce symptoms..
No enployer has a right to dictate what is stuck into your body. End of "
again this is not about telling people they have to have it its a choice but some jobs are going to insist in this job you need that jab |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"No no no and no
The only benefit from the vaccine is it MAY reduce symptoms..
No enployer has a right to dictate what is stuck into your body. End of
Some work places require you to have the to have the hepatitis vaccine and have done for years. "
this the post is more about jobs that require you to have the jab rather than taking your choice away |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"No no no and no
The only benefit from the vaccine is it MAY reduce symptoms..
No enployer has a right to dictate what is stuck into your body. End of
Some work places require you to have the to have the hepatitis vaccine and have done for years.
this the post is more about jobs that require you to have the jab rather than taking your choice away"
Exactly it is normally people that work in quite specialised settings though.
I can definitely see a time when having a vaccine is a requirement to be considered for a vacancy.
I'm not sure what will happen with people who have existing contact that refused to take the vaccine and how that can be enforced.
I have a feeling we will find out very soon though. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"No no no and no
The only benefit from the vaccine is it MAY reduce symptoms..
No enployer has a right to dictate what is stuck into your body. End of
Some work places require you to have the to have the hepatitis vaccine and have done for years.
this the post is more about jobs that require you to have the jab rather than taking your choice away"
Hepatitis jab is optional with us
As is the flu jab
And now the Covid 19 jab |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"No no no and no
The only benefit from the vaccine is it MAY reduce symptoms..
No enployer has a right to dictate what is stuck into your body. End of
Some work places require you to have the to have the hepatitis vaccine and have done for years.
this the post is more about jobs that require you to have the jab rather than taking your choice away
Hepatitis jab is optional with us
As is the flu jab
And now the Covid 19 jab "
I'm not sure where you work and in what setting and unsure that is the case in a lot of work places and will continue to be.
I am talking about people specifically that work with very high risk groups (don't mean covid)
I have applied for jobs where having the hepatitis vaccine has been a requirement.
I do not think it will be blanket policy for every care home However I am sure there will be some that choose to make it a requirement for employment. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"No no no and no
The only benefit from the vaccine is it MAY reduce symptoms..
No enployer has a right to dictate what is stuck into your body. End of
Some work places require you to have the to have the hepatitis vaccine and have done for years.
this the post is more about jobs that require you to have the jab rather than taking your choice away
Hepatitis jab is optional with us
As is the flu jab
And now the Covid 19 jab
I'm not sure where you work and in what setting and unsure that is the case in a lot of work places and will continue to be.
I am talking about people specifically that work with very high risk groups (don't mean covid)
I have applied for jobs where having the hepatitis vaccine has been a requirement.
I do not think it will be blanket policy for every care home However I am sure there will be some that choose to make it a requirement for employment."
Understandable for certain job rolesI'd imagine
However, not sure any employer could suddenly impose mandatory vaccination on existing employees and highly doubt many, if any, will try |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"No no no and no
The only benefit from the vaccine is it MAY reduce symptoms..
No enployer has a right to dictate what is stuck into your body. End of
Some work places require you to have the to have the hepatitis vaccine and have done for years.
this the post is more about jobs that require you to have the jab rather than taking your choice away
Hepatitis jab is optional with us
As is the flu jab
And now the Covid 19 jab
I'm not sure where you work and in what setting and unsure that is the case in a lot of work places and will continue to be.
I am talking about people specifically that work with very high risk groups (don't mean covid)
I have applied for jobs where having the hepatitis vaccine has been a requirement.
I do not think it will be blanket policy for every care home However I am sure there will be some that choose to make it a requirement for employment.
Understandable for certain job rolesI'd imagine
However, not sure any employer could suddenly impose mandatory vaccination on existing employees and highly doubt many, if any, will try"
I would agree with that and I'm not sure how that will work.
I think the OP mentioned about changing contracts but I don't know enough about employment law to know if that's legally right. |
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"should all that work in care homes be told no vaccine no job ....
300 staff in group only 7 have said no
owners have said no vaccine no job and are looking to change contracts as are many others..
other staff refusing to work with those who wont have the vaccine...
familys of residents and residents themselves asking only for care workers ho have had vaccine ...
the law is very grey in this area and to be honest seems more on the employers side because its health care...
so those of you that work in care has this subject come up at all yet ?? how do you feel ?? are you family of someone in care ifso how do you feel too ...
keep it nice and do bash others opinions as we all have a rights to answer in these free forums"
I presume in time it will be part of your application as it is now with any health care jobs (to prove your vaccination history).
So yeah, I think it’ll happen 
Wether that’s good or not... each to their own I guess but it’s no different to proving other vaccines now.... x |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"No no no and no
The only benefit from the vaccine is it MAY reduce symptoms..
No enployer has a right to dictate what is stuck into your body. End of
Some work places require you to have the to have the hepatitis vaccine and have done for years.
this the post is more about jobs that require you to have the jab rather than taking your choice away
Hepatitis jab is optional with us
As is the flu jab
And now the Covid 19 jab
I'm not sure where you work and in what setting and unsure that is the case in a lot of work places and will continue to be.
I am talking about people specifically that work with very high risk groups (don't mean covid)
I have applied for jobs where having the hepatitis vaccine has been a requirement.
I do not think it will be blanket policy for every care home However I am sure there will be some that choose to make it a requirement for employment.
Understandable for certain job rolesI'd imagine
However, not sure any employer could suddenly impose mandatory vaccination on existing employees and highly doubt many, if any, will try
I would agree with that and I'm not sure how that will work.
I think the OP mentioned about changing contracts but I don't know enough about employment law to know if that's legally right. "
I don't know much about it either tbh. But I highly doubt it is as simple as some people seem to think. I can't see it happening |
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It will happen by default- all new workers will be required to have already have it or they won’t be appointed - it’ll be in the job description
Existing employees won’t be ‘forced’ but can be redeployed in non patient facing roles until the point they decide to leave |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It will happen by default- all new workers will be required to have already have it or they won’t be appointed - it’ll be in the job description
Existing employees won’t be ‘forced’ but can be redeployed in non patient facing roles until the point they decide to leave "
Are you referring specifically to NHS staff? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It will happen by default- all new workers will be required to have already have it or they won’t be appointed - it’ll be in the job description
Existing employees won’t be ‘forced’ but can be redeployed in non patient facing roles until the point they decide to leave
Are you referring specifically to NHS staff? "
I guess it could happen anywhere because I know some supermarkets have redeployed mask exempt people so they are either not customer facing or at the till behind a screen. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It will happen by default- all new workers will be required to have already have it or they won’t be appointed - it’ll be in the job description
Existing employees won’t be ‘forced’ but can be redeployed in non patient facing roles until the point they decide to leave
Are you referring specifically to NHS staff?
I guess it could happen anywhere because I know some supermarkets have redeployed mask exempt people so they are either not customer facing or at the till behind a screen."
Be a lot easier to do in larger work environments I guess which involve more varied job roles in large numbers. In settings like care homes it wouldn't be so practical, as non patient facing roles are in the minority |
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By *ynecplCouple
over a year ago
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I imagine it will be become a requirement in many jobs. All new employees will be required to have the jab or they are not employed. Those with more than 2 years service are protected so they will not be forced but if for example they are dealing with at risk groups they will be sidelined into office jobs. Then as firms try to tighten their belts due to loss of income they will look to make redundancies and I suspect that one of the criteria used in the selection of those for redundancy will be if somebody has had the vaccine. |
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I think there needs to be more clarity on the vaccines, lots of people (not just on here, in daily conversations as well) are assuming it protects you from catching it. Employers shouldn't need to worry about making people have a vaccine as staff will still have to self isolate once they have tested positive for covid-19, whether they have had the vaccine or not. So they will still have the loss of staff regardless |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"should all that work in care homes be told no vaccine no job ....
300 staff in group only 7 have said no
owners have said no vaccine no job and are looking to change contracts as are many others..
other staff refusing to work with those who wont have the vaccine...
familys of residents and residents themselves asking only for care workers ho have had vaccine ...
the law is very grey in this area and to be honest seems more on the employers side because its health care...
so those of you that work in care has this subject come up at all yet ?? how do you feel ?? are you family of someone in care ifso how do you feel too ...
keep it nice and do bash others opinions as we all have a rights to answer in these free forums
As I've just posted elsewhere, it's too late for my dear old mum. Given it by a carer... I'm raw and emotional. Sometimes we have to do what's right rather than what's easy.
However, if I were a carer.... Id probably want a bit more evidence what kind of difference it makes.
Right now I'd suggest testing and protocols are a better way of keeping residents safe.
Ie all staff tested everyday. All staff clean uniform and air locked changing procedures.
As and when evidence of how much impact of vaccine has on transmission... Sure
. Do the right thing. As someone whose gonna lose his mum in the next 24 hours....I'd do anything reasonable to have stopped her catching it. And having a jab is pretty reasonable. "
 Sorry about your mum. X  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I think there needs to be more clarity on the vaccines, lots of people (not just on here, in daily conversations as well) are assuming it protects you from catching it. Employers shouldn't need to worry about making people have a vaccine as staff will still have to self isolate once they have tested positive for covid-19, whether they have had the vaccine or not. So they will still have the loss of staff regardless "
Absolutely. This is why I don't understand why some people are adamant that some employers will make it compulsory  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Apparently, the vaccine doesn’t stop you catching COVID or spreading it through it just stops the individual vaccinated getting seriously ill... if it stopped you catching COVID then 100percent vaccine or find a new job, it’s part of “duty of care” to me. Mines booked in for two weeks time but I’ve already had covid a symptomatic, I think the weekly testing is more important to protect others |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I think there needs to be more clarity on the vaccines, lots of people (not just on here, in daily conversations as well) are assuming it protects you from catching it. Employers shouldn't need to worry about making people have a vaccine as staff will still have to self isolate once they have tested positive for covid-19, whether they have had the vaccine or not. So they will still have the loss of staff regardless "
we all know its not a cure and its not going to stop you catching it or spreading it... thats been clearly said via tv media and gov and via work |
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If a care home worker refuses the vaccine they can't lose there job and families can't be told if workers have taken the vaccine or not due to data protection and unless the government make it law you must take the vaccine nothing can be done |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I think there needs to be more clarity on the vaccines, lots of people (not just on here, in daily conversations as well) are assuming it protects you from catching it. Employers shouldn't need to worry about making people have a vaccine as staff will still have to self isolate once they have tested positive for covid-19, whether they have had the vaccine or not. So they will still have the loss of staff regardless
Absolutely. This is why I don't understand why some people are adamant that some employers will make it compulsory "
because its something that our owners are trying to do and from what i hear elsewhere |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If a care home worker refuses the vaccine they can't lose there job and families can't be told if workers have taken the vaccine or not due to data protection and unless the government make it law you must take the vaccine nothing can be done "
Not entirely true.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"If a care home worker refuses the vaccine they can't lose there job and families can't be told if workers have taken the vaccine or not due to data protection and unless the government make it law you must take the vaccine nothing can be done "
when you look at what employment lawyers are saying then it seems they can ... its a very gray area from what ive read |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"No company can force anyone to take the vaccine unless the government make it law that you must take it "
They can make it a requirement of employment and many places have done this for years with the hepC vaccine. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"No company can force anyone to take the vaccine unless the government make it law that you must take it "
again no one is saying they can be forced to take anything but your job could |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"That was from a care home owner who was getting interviewed on the radio last week that said that the government would have to make it law "
That could be his personal take on it. But another care home owner could make it a requirement of employment. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"should all that work in care homes be told no vaccine no job ....
300 staff in group only 7 have said no
owners have said no vaccine no job and are looking to change contracts as are many others..
other staff refusing to work with those who wont have the vaccine...
familys of residents and residents themselves asking only for care workers ho have had vaccine ...
the law is very grey in this area and to be honest seems more on the employers side because its health care...
so those of you that work in care has this subject come up at all yet ?? how do you feel ?? are you family of someone in care ifso how do you feel too ...
keep it nice and do bash others opinions as we all have a rights to answer in these free forums"
Staff have a right to state what goes in their body. |
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I posted this in the plumbers post
https://www.fabswingers.com/forum/virus/1112298#message_26293257
all thats needed is for the firms to force a new contract onto its workers.
if you look this up it explains much more cant link to it
Can my employer make me get a Covid-19 vaccine?
like bg refuse to sign new contracts your sacked
https://www.mirror.co.uk/money/british-gas-tells-tens-thousands-22373861 |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"should all that work in care homes be told no vaccine no job ....
300 staff in group only 7 have said no
owners have said no vaccine no job and are looking to change contracts as are many others..
other staff refusing to work with those who wont have the vaccine...
familys of residents and residents themselves asking only for care workers ho have had vaccine ...
the law is very grey in this area and to be honest seems more on the employers side because its health care...
so those of you that work in care has this subject come up at all yet ?? how do you feel ?? are you family of someone in care ifso how do you feel too ...
keep it nice and do bash others opinions as we all have a rights to answer in these free forums
Staff have a right to state what goes in their body. "
Yes of course but as stated several times on the thread it's not about the individual's right to say no it's about whether the employer has the right to say if you say no you cannot work here. |
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By *ynecplCouple
over a year ago
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The employer has the right to stipulate the terms of employment for any new employees. The worker has the right to say no to those conditions but the consequences would be no job offer. It happens all the time in employment law.
For example you have the right to refuse to opt out of the working time directive where you can work more than 48hrs a week but the employer can ask a new employee to sign the waver if they refuse then the job is withdraw. |
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"I'm a carer and we have had our vaccines both residents and staff. A few people refused to get theirs and that is their choice. You can't force people to get a vaccine. Everyone has a right to make that decision for themselves. I got mine because as far as I'm concerned the pros outweighed the cons.
If there will be any repercussions in the future I don't know but at the moment everyone is working away together just as we have up until now. Full ppe is still worn and all guidelines are being followed.
nobody is talking about forcing anyone we all know we have a choice but so do the employers and residents and other staff
Yeah as we've seen in these fora. It has the potential to be divisive. But illness and death tends to focus the thoughts a bit. I imagine it will arrive at a balance at some point. But we just need more evidence to try to convince people to make the right choice. "
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"No no no and no
The only benefit from the vaccine is it MAY reduce symptoms..
No enployer has a right to dictate what is stuck into your body. End of "
STOP SPREADING MISINFORMATION NOW!!!!
The CDC published a summary of the benefits of COVID-19 vaccination:
1. COVID-19 vaccines are being carefully evaluated in clinical trials and will be authorized or approved only if they make it substantially less likely you’ll get COVID-19.
2. Based on what we know about vaccines for other diseases, experts believe that getting a COVID-19 vaccine may help keep you from getting seriously ill even if you do get COVID-19.
3. Getting vaccinated yourself may also protect people around you, particularly people at increased risk for severe illness from COVID-19.
4. Experts continue to conduct more studies about the effect of a COVID-19 vaccination on severity of illness from COVID-19, as well as its ability to keep people from spreading the virus that causes COVID-19.
5. COVID-19 vaccination will be a safer way to help build protection.
6. Getting COVID-19 may offer some natural protection, known as immunity. But experts don’t know how long this protection lasts, and the risk of severe illness and death from COVID-19 far outweighs any benefits of natural immunity. COVID-19 vaccination will help protect you by creating an antibody response without having to experience sickness.
7. COVID-19 vaccination will be an important tool to help stop the pandemic.
8. Vaccines will work with your immune system so it will be ready to fight the virus if you are exposed. |
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"I'm a carer and we have had our vaccines both residents and staff. A few people refused to get theirs and that is their choice. You can't force people to get a vaccine. Everyone has a right to make that decision for themselves. I got mine because as far as I'm concerned the pros outweighed the cons.
If there will be any repercussions in the future I don't know but at the moment everyone is working away together just as we have up until now. Full ppe is still worn and all guidelines are being followed.
nobody is talking about forcing anyone we all know we have a choice but so do the employers and residents and other staff
Yeah as we've seen in these fora. It has the potential to be divisive. But illness and death tends to focus the thoughts a bit. I imagine it will arrive at a balance at some point. But we just need more evidence to try to convince people to make the right choice.
The right choice for one person is not the same for another."
As I said. We need more evidence to help convince people to make the right choice. But make the decision based on evidence and not misinformed gossip and rumour |
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"I'm a carer and we have had our vaccines both residents and staff. A few people refused to get theirs and that is their choice. You can't force people to get a vaccine. Everyone has a right to make that decision for themselves. I got mine because as far as I'm concerned the pros outweighed the cons.
If there will be any repercussions in the future I don't know but at the moment everyone is working away together just as we have up until now. Full ppe is still worn and all guidelines are being followed.
nobody is talking about forcing anyone we all know we have a choice but so do the employers and residents and other staff
Yeah as we've seen in these fora. It has the potential to be divisive. But illness and death tends to focus the thoughts a bit. I imagine it will arrive at a balance at some point. But we just need more evidence to try to convince people to make the right choice.
The right choice for one person is not the same for another.
As I said. We need more evidence to help convince people to make the right choice. But make the decision based on evidence and not misinformed gossip and rumour"
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As we reduce the levels of infection in the country, this will be a diminishing problem. I'd hope that none of the brave staff who have given so much will have their employment prospects damaged, though it should remain a personal choice on whether to be vaccinated or not. Sensitive education and counselling may help those who are hesitant. |
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"As we reduce the levels of infection in the country, this will be a diminishing problem. I'd hope that none of the brave staff who have given so much will have their employment prospects damaged, though it should remain a personal choice on whether to be vaccinated or not. Sensitive education and counselling may help those who are hesitant. "
A personal choice guided by the science and real evidence. Not garbage on Facebook or Twitter.
I am sick of hearing the "vaccine takes 10 years" claim. A lot of that 10 years is spent recruiting people onto trials that run one after another. It takes something like half the 10 years to approve and manufacture.
The vaccine is as safe as any other. |
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I think vaccination should be a requirement for those working in healthcare and caring for the vulnerable.
Yes, you can choose. In the same way you can choose not to comply with other requirements of the profession: by finding another job. |
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"I can see where relatives are coming from because obviously they want their loved ones to be cared for and protected as much as possible.
However because the vaccine only seems at the moment to be proven to protect the individual who has received the vaccine I think it would be tricky to prove these people are putting their relatives at risk.
Iv no idea where the law stands on this but I do know that certain jobs require you to have had the hepatitis vaccine so there must be some sort of employment law that allows this I would guess."
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"should all that work in care homes be told no vaccine no job ....
300 staff in group only 7 have said no
owners have said no vaccine no job and are looking to change contracts as are many others..
other staff refusing to work with those who wont have the vaccine...
familys of residents and residents themselves asking only for care workers ho have had vaccine ...
the law is very grey in this area and to be honest seems more on the employers side because its health care...
so those of you that work in care has this subject come up at all yet ?? how do you feel ?? are you family of someone in care ifso how do you feel too ...
keep it nice and do bash others opinions as we all have a rights to answer in these free forums"
IMHO They should not be sacked, however the owners/bosses have a duty of care and therefore should make those who don't want a vaccine but still wish to work have a negative PCR test weekly at the employee's own expense. |
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"So what would happen if a resident refused the vaccine?. Could staff ask for that person to be moved?.I would think yes"
Moved to where though? Would we then look be looking at care homes exclusively for unvaccinated people ? Doesn't seem remotely feesible |
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"should all that work in care homes be told no vaccine no job ....
300 staff in group only 7 have said no
owners have said no vaccine no job and are looking to change contracts as are many others..
other staff refusing to work with those who wont have the vaccine...
familys of residents and residents themselves asking only for care workers ho have had vaccine ...
the law is very grey in this area and to be honest seems more on the employers side because its health care...
so those of you that work in care has this subject come up at all yet ?? how do you feel ?? are you family of someone in care ifso how do you feel too ...
keep it nice and do bash others opinions as we all have a rights to answer in these free forums
IMHO They should not be sacked, however the owners/bosses have a duty of care and therefore should make those who don't want a vaccine but still wish to work have a negative PCR test weekly at the employee's own expense."
Regardless of whether you choose to have the vaccine or not,there are already policies in place for testing in care homes
For example where I work All staff have a pcr test weekly,residents monthly and if any symptoms,
Recently we have now started the lateral flow tests before each shift,plus anyone who enters the building has to have one even if not in direct contact with residents
We all signed a consent form for the vaccine,I had mine the beginning of January,still a fair few staff are going to appointments over next week or so,those who have declined have not been pressurised yet,
There may be a time where it becomes mandatory,so we will see what happens in the future,at the moment it is choice of both staff and residents
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"So what would happen if a resident refused the vaccine?. Could staff ask for that person to be moved?.I would think yes
Moved to where though? Would we then look be looking at care homes exclusively for unvaccinated people ? Doesn't seem remotely feesible"
Service user versus staff, staff have duty of care. |
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It's getting to the point where they can't get staff, a lot are off sick, 16 at my daughters place, 11 residents, care homes are now in effect a hospital, NHS are sending covid patients back to care homes |
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"It's getting to the point where they can't get staff, a lot are off sick, 16 at my daughters place, 11 residents, care homes are now in effect a hospital, NHS are sending covid patients back to care homes "
I thought they had stopped doing that? |
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"It's getting to the point where they can't get staff, a lot are off sick, 16 at my daughters place, 11 residents, care homes are now in effect a hospital, NHS are sending covid patients back to care homes
I thought they had stopped doing that?"
Happened last week at her place of work |
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"It's getting to the point where they can't get staff, a lot are off sick, 16 at my daughters place, 11 residents, care homes are now in effect a hospital, NHS are sending covid patients back to care homes
I thought they had stopped doing that?
Happened last week at her place of work"
Some homes now have dedicated covid sections.
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"It's getting to the point where they can't get staff, a lot are off sick, 16 at my daughters place, 11 residents, care homes are now in effect a hospital, NHS are sending covid patients back to care homes
I thought they had stopped doing that?
Happened last week at her place of work
Some homes now have dedicated covid sections.
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Hers doesn't, the staff are no petrified of going to work |
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"It's getting to the point where they can't get staff, a lot are off sick, 16 at my daughters place, 11 residents, care homes are now in effect a hospital, NHS are sending covid patients back to care homes
I thought they had stopped doing that?
Happened last week at her place of work
Some homes now have dedicated covid sections.
Hers doesn't, the staff are no petrified of going to work"
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every single registered care manager has a rights to refuse the nhs if they feel that things are not right.
in our care homes nobody gets in unless tested and even then (residents) still get isolated for 2 weeks to be sure .. we set this up right from the beginning with the first lockdown.
the nhs already has court cases lining up for sending positive resident back to care homes in the first wave ... we've been lucky as our local hospital has been brill...
lets not forget either that alot of covid transmissions have been caused by some staff not sticking to the rules too |
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"every single registered care manager has a rights to refuse the nhs if they feel that things are not right.
in our care homes nobody gets in unless tested and even then (residents) still get isolated for 2 weeks to be sure .. we set this up right from the beginning with the first lockdown.
the nhs already has court cases lining up for sending positive resident back to care homes in the first wave ... we've been lucky as our local hospital has been brill...
lets not forget either that alot of covid transmissions have been caused by some staff not sticking to the rules too "
This is true, but let’s also not forget in some places it isn’t optional but to discharge due to the lack of acute beds and patient safety xx |
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"It's getting to the point where they can't get staff, a lot are off sick, 16 at my daughters place, 11 residents, care homes are now in effect a hospital, NHS are sending covid patients back to care homes
I thought they had stopped doing that?
Happened last week at her place of work"
Some hospital bed managers will try every trick in the book
Including lying |
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"It's getting to the point where they can't get staff, a lot are off sick, 16 at my daughters place, 11 residents, care homes are now in effect a hospital, NHS are sending covid patients back to care homes
I thought they had stopped doing that?
Happened last week at her place of work"
Still doing it but the big difference is that they are being tested before leaving whereas at the start they were not. Think they need 2 negative tests before getting moved. |
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"It's getting to the point where they can't get staff, a lot are off sick, 16 at my daughters place, 11 residents, care homes are now in effect a hospital, NHS are sending covid patients back to care homes
I thought they had stopped doing that?
Happened last week at her place of work
Still doing it but the big difference is that they are being tested before leaving whereas at the start they were not. Think they need 2 negative tests before getting moved."
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This is the correct procedure |
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I read somewhere that the company can be charged with corporate manslaughter, if they are found to have acted in a way that doesn't protect its staff and residents. This is under the Health and safety at work act 1999.
So it isn't so cut and dry as I don't want the vaccine, but still want to work for you. |
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"should all that work in care homes be told no vaccine no job ....
300 staff in group only 7 have said no
owners have said no vaccine no job and are looking to change contracts as are many others..
other staff refusing to work with those who wont have the vaccine...
familys of residents and residents themselves asking only for care workers ho have had vaccine ...
the law is very grey in this area and to be honest seems more on the employers side because its health care...
so those of you that work in care has this subject come up at all yet ?? how do you feel ?? are you family of someone in care ifso how do you feel too ...
keep it nice and do bash others opinions as we all have a rights to answer in these free forums
Staff have a right to state what goes in their body.
Yes of course but as stated several times on the thread it's not about the individual's right to say no it's about whether the employer has the right to say if you say no you cannot work here."
Forgive me for not reading the whole thread, however unless your employer draws up a new contract for you to sign? |
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"I read somewhere that the company can be charged with corporate manslaughter, if they are found to have acted in a way that doesn't protect its staff and residents. This is under the Health and safety at work act 1999.
So it isn't so cut and dry as I don't want the vaccine, but still want to work for you."
It is with us
No staff are treated any differently if they don't wish to be vaccinated |
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