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"Begs the question why !" Everything from March 20 onwards begs the question why | |||
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"The 2nd shot you get is not the exact same as the first so if it was a first one you cannot give it as a second dose anyhow. And those that don't show should go to the end of the list. It's completely irresponsible to just not show up when others are wanting and needing the vaccine. " spot on. | |||
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"We started our vaccinations last week and bugger the rules not binning any vaccine we have given it to many people that are not yet in the age cohorts volunteers helping with our clinics etc why waste it just rediculous" My work colleague has volunteered to help with the clinics re organisation. He was given his first shot as there were spare doses due to people not turning up. The need to use within 6 hours will be for the Pfizer vaccine- I dont believe this is the case for the Oxford/AZ one. | |||
"We started our vaccinations last week and bugger the rules not binning any vaccine we have given it to many people that are not yet in the age cohorts volunteers helping with our clinics etc why waste it just rediculous" Couldn't this be dangerous if it's been out of the freezer for over, 6 hours if it's the Pfizer one? It's irresponsible and certainly unethical at the least | |||
"We started our vaccinations last week and bugger the rules not binning any vaccine we have given it to many people that are not yet in the age cohorts volunteers helping with our clinics etc why waste it just rediculous Couldn't this be dangerous if it's been out of the freezer for over, 6 hours if it's the Pfizer one? It's irresponsible and certainly unethical at the least " Reading the post the rules she suggests they are disregarding is the age rules so offering it younger people who are there /can come in. | |||
"We started our vaccinations last week and bugger the rules not binning any vaccine we have given it to many people that are not yet in the age cohorts volunteers helping with our clinics etc why waste it just rediculous Couldn't this be dangerous if it's been out of the freezer for over, 6 hours if it's the Pfizer one? It's irresponsible and certainly unethical at the least " Clinical staff/volunteer vaccinators won't give the Pfizer vaccine if its use doesn't meet the guidelines about storage etc and St Johns applicants to volunteer are told they will be offered it once they start.. | |||
"The 2nd shot you get is not the exact same as the first so if it was a first one you cannot give it as a second dose anyhow. And those that don't show should go to the end of the list. It's completely irresponsible to just not show up when others are wanting and needing the vaccine. " It is the same vaccine for both doses the only thing is you have to have the same vaccine. If you had Pfizer as your first you cant have the oxford one as your second. We had 15 left over after a residential home yesterday and called people who were eligible to come to us to use it up (some of these were second vaccines) our lead GP said she'd rather give second vaccines than bin it. | |||
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"The 2nd shot you get is not the exact same as the first so if it was a first one you cannot give it as a second dose anyhow. And those that don't show should go to the end of the list. It's completely irresponsible to just not show up when others are wanting and needing the vaccine. It is the same vaccine for both doses the only thing is you have to have the same vaccine. If you had Pfizer as your first you cant have the oxford one as your second. We had 15 left over after a residential home yesterday and called people who were eligible to come to us to use it up (some of these were second vaccines) our lead GP said she'd rather give second vaccines than bin it. " I was told when getting my 2nd dose that is was slightly. So I'm just going on what I was told then. | |||
"The 2nd shot you get is not the exact same as the first so if it was a first one you cannot give it as a second dose anyhow. And those that don't show should go to the end of the list. It's completely irresponsible to just not show up when others are wanting and needing the vaccine. It is the same vaccine for both doses the only thing is you have to have the same vaccine. If you had Pfizer as your first you cant have the oxford one as your second. We had 15 left over after a residential home yesterday and called people who were eligible to come to us to use it up (some of these were second vaccines) our lead GP said she'd rather give second vaccines than bin it. I was told when getting my 2nd dose that is was slightly. So I'm just going on what I was told then. " No you just have to have the same brand. We haven't got the Oxford one in yet just the Pfizer but when we have both we will have to be careful about second doses. | |||
"The 2nd shot you get is not the exact same as the first so if it was a first one you cannot give it as a second dose anyhow. And those that don't show should go to the end of the list. It's completely irresponsible to just not show up when others are wanting and needing the vaccine. It is the same vaccine for both doses the only thing is you have to have the same vaccine. If you had Pfizer as your first you cant have the oxford one as your second. We had 15 left over after a residential home yesterday and called people who were eligible to come to us to use it up (some of these were second vaccines) our lead GP said she'd rather give second vaccines than bin it. I was told when getting my 2nd dose that is was slightly. So I'm just going on what I was told then. No you just have to have the same brand. We haven't got the Oxford one in yet just the Pfizer but when we have both we will have to be careful about second doses. " Ye I got the pfizer one. | |||
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"you have to be a member of that practice so we can do the paper work cant pull people off the street" No you don't because there being done at local hubs in a lot of cases. My partner's dad is having his at Salisbury cathedral. | |||
"Not a few but loads of them! Apparently GPs have to throw them away rather than give them as a 2nd dose. Anyone else seen this? " As a GP practice manager, I can assure you this does NOT happen, we have a shortlist of folk we call at very short notice, which we did last night at the end of our 13 hour clinic, all 1179 doses delivered  | |||
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"Excellent work "Thank you, total team effort | |||
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"The 2nd shot you get is not the exact same as the first so if it was a first one you cannot give it as a second dose anyhow. And those that don't show should go to the end of the list. It's completely irresponsible to just not show up when others are wanting and needing the vaccine. It is the same vaccine for both doses the only thing is you have to have the same vaccine. If you had Pfizer as your first you cant have the oxford one as your second. We had 15 left over after a residential home yesterday and called people who were eligible to come to us to use it up (some of these were second vaccines) our lead GP said she'd rather give second vaccines than bin it. I was told when getting my 2nd dose that is was slightly. So I'm just going on what I was told then. No you just have to have the same brand. We haven't got the Oxford one in yet just the Pfizer but when we have both we will have to be careful about second doses. " Here, we already have the AZ as well as the Pfizer, so we can hold our own clinics, much like the flu rollout, will be much easier than our PCN clinic yesterday, probably have a lot of staff sleeping for the day! | |||
"As a practice manager are you able to answer the question whether or not the two doses of the Pfizer jab are identical ?" Yes, they are, we have already administered the second dose before the guidance changed, identical components to the first | |||
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"The 2nd shot you get is not the exact same as the first so if it was a first one you cannot give it as a second dose anyhow. And those that don't show should go to the end of the list. It's completely irresponsible to just not show up when others are wanting and needing the vaccine. It is the same vaccine for both doses the only thing is you have to have the same vaccine. If you had Pfizer as your first you cant have the oxford one as your second. We had 15 left over after a residential home yesterday and called people who were eligible to come to us to use it up (some of these were second vaccines) our lead GP said she'd rather give second vaccines than bin it. I was told when getting my 2nd dose that is was slightly. So I'm just going on what I was told then. No you just have to have the same brand. We haven't got the Oxford one in yet just the Pfizer but when we have both we will have to be careful about second doses. " Pfizer have already stated that doses should not be mixed. This is where we need to be very careful or we may well fall down another hole | |||
"Thans for the clarification" No worries, it just acts as a booster, much like the hepatitis shots, so protection happens within 12-21 days of your first. We literally had people in tears at the clinic yesterday, it is the most rewarding programme we have ever been privileged enough to help deliver, very grateful to the army of volunteers who helped and were vaccinated | |||
"Excellent work
Thank you, total team effort " | |||
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"My parents were so delighted to get their first dose and then thrilled to have their second, that they posted it on Facebook ! "Ah bless them, it is nice to know people's parents are protected. Most of them yesterday hadn't left the house for 10 months | |||
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"If there is truth in the story, then it depends on what scale.. it’s was always going be a logistical nightmare but we had months to get a universal plan together so it goes as smooth as poss... there is always going be mistakes cuz the ole situation is new and learning from it all the time.. I only hope that when mistakes are made then learn from them and put right ... I do feel for the people trying to organise the vaccine program and distribute it "Don't feel for us, we are more than happy to do this rollout, delivery is a bit of an unknown, but AZ have assured us they are ramping up, so we expect to hold weekly clinics to get those that want it done | |||
"If there is truth in the story, then it depends on what scale.. it’s was always going be a logistical nightmare but we had months to get a universal plan together so it goes as smooth as poss... there is always going be mistakes cuz the ole situation is new and learning from it all the time.. I only hope that when mistakes are made then learn from them and put right ... I do feel for the people trying to organise the vaccine program and distribute it
Don't feel for us, we are more than happy to do this rollout, delivery is a bit of an unknown, but AZ have assured us they are ramping up, so we expect to hold weekly clinics to get those that want it done" | |||
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"The head of NHS said today that they normally have a list of people who can turn up if there are any left over at the end of a session so they are not wasted, obviously they can do staff if it is given in a hospital setting" We have been doing the same, had 48 left yesterday and got 48 people come in at very short notice, involving some doors being knocked on and came out in their pj's and lots of phone calls, did all our volunteers and emergency services | |||
"He also said there is 1 and half million vaccines given this week, if this is true it is great news "Excellent news! | |||
"The head of NHS said today that they normally have a list of people who can turn up if there are any left over at the end of a session so they are not wasted, obviously they can do staff if it is given in a hospital setting We have been doing the same, had 48 left yesterday and got 48 people come in at very short notice, involving some doors being knocked on and came out in their pj's and lots of phone calls, did all our volunteers and emergency services " Well done, all of you! | |||
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"The head of NHS said today that they normally have a list of people who can turn up if there are any left over at the end of a session so they are not wasted, obviously they can do staff if it is given in a hospital setting We have been doing the same, had 48 left yesterday and got 48 people come in at very short notice, involving some doors being knocked on and came out in their pj's and lots of phone calls, did all our volunteers and emergency services Well done, all of you! "Thank you, we had great fun doing it, loads of patients we hadn't seen for 10 months, lovely to know they are all okay, teamwork was awesome, all volunteering their weekends | |||
"The head of NHS said today that they normally have a list of people who can turn up if there are any left over at the end of a session so they are not wasted, obviously they can do staff if it is given in a hospital setting" This is what I read. Obviously in more rural areas that is gonna be tricky so I guess tragically yes some will get thrown out but I can't imagine it's on any mass scale. | |||
"Trying to vaccinate millions of people asap with a vaccine that has a shelf life there will always be some wastage. " Thankfully this isn't so much of a problem with the Oxford vaccine. So when that 1 is more widely available we shouldn't have the same issues. | |||
"Trying to vaccinate millions of people asap with a vaccine that has a shelf life there will always be some wastage. Thankfully this isn't so much of a problem with the Oxford vaccine. So when that 1 is more widely available we shouldn't have the same issues." Yep, we have our first mass delivery to the PCN next week, we can then deliver it in our own surgeries and no 15 minute wait, yay! | |||
"As a practice manager are you able to answer the question whether or not the two doses of the Pfizer jab are identical ?" As a nurse giving the vaccine I can confirm they are both exactly the same. | |||
"Trying to vaccinate millions of people asap with a vaccine that has a shelf life there will always be some wastage. " We haven't wasted any yet. We have a list of people to call if we know we will have any left. | |||
"Trying to vaccinate millions of people asap with a vaccine that has a shelf life there will always be some wastage. Thankfully this isn't so much of a problem with the Oxford vaccine. So when that 1 is more widely available we shouldn't have the same issues. Yep, we have our first mass delivery to the PCN next week, we can then deliver it in our own surgeries and no 15 minute wait, yay!" That is brilliant news.
Seeing is you seem to be very well informed, I haven't heard much about the moderna vaccine being used in the UK.
Do you know whether there are any plans for that 1 in the UK and how thats stored. | |||
"The head of NHS said today that they normally have a list of people who can turn up if there are any left over at the end of a session so they are not wasted, obviously they can do staff if it is given in a hospital setting We have been doing the same, had 48 left yesterday and got 48 people come in at very short notice, involving some doors being knocked on and came out in their pj's and lots of phone calls, did all our volunteers and emergency services Well done, all of you!
Thank you, we had great fun doing it, loads of patients we hadn't seen for 10 months, lovely to know they are all okay, teamwork was awesome, all volunteering their weekends"Aah..it must have been very comforting for your patients to see you..what a great team! | |||
"Trying to vaccinate millions of people asap with a vaccine that has a shelf life there will always be some wastage. We haven't wasted any yet. We have a list of people to call if we know we will have any left. " Thats great and it was heart warming yesterday to see the queue of people getting it.I was merely pointing out something involving millions of people there is bound to be some waste.  | |||
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"Trying to vaccinate millions of people asap with a vaccine that has a shelf life there will always be some wastage. Thankfully this isn't so much of a problem with the Oxford vaccine. So when that 1 is more widely available we shouldn't have the same issues. Yep, we have our first mass delivery to the PCN next week, we can then deliver it in our own surgeries and no 15 minute wait, yay! That is brilliant news.
Seeing is you seem to be very well informed, I haven't heard much about the moderna vaccine being used in the UK.
Do you know whether there are any plans for that 1 in the UK and how thats stored. "We have had very little info about that one, since the MHRA approval, unless I have missed something, which the information overload means I may have!! PM Facebook group informs me I haven't, it is the delivery of the vaccines that is our biggest headache, only updated on a weekly basis, whichever we have to plan and contact people at short notice. The over 80s were easy as they stay at home, may get more difficult as we go down the groups | |||
"The atmosphere at the vaccine clinics is unbelievable everyone is so grateful and happy to be there. There is a massive positive vibe in the place. " I can imagine as i said i got a buzz out of just seeing the people queuing. | |||
"The head of NHS said today that they normally have a list of people who can turn up if there are any left over at the end of a session so they are not wasted, obviously they can do staff if it is given in a hospital setting We have been doing the same, had 48 left yesterday and got 48 people come in at very short notice, involving some doors being knocked on and came out in their pj's and lots of phone calls, did all our volunteers and emergency services Well done, all of you!
Thank you, we had great fun doing it, loads of patients we hadn't seen for 10 months, lovely to know they are all okay, teamwork was awesome, all volunteering their weekends
Aah..it must have been very comforting for your patients to see you..what a great team! "Thank you, very rewarding, it was amazing, despite working in the car park in the snow, expected lots to not turn up, we had a full list, shows how much folk need to get this done | |||
"Trying to vaccinate millions of people asap with a vaccine that has a shelf life there will always be some wastage. Thankfully this isn't so much of a problem with the Oxford vaccine. So when that 1 is more widely available we shouldn't have the same issues. Yep, we have our first mass delivery to the PCN next week, we can then deliver it in our own surgeries and no 15 minute wait, yay! That is brilliant news.
Seeing is you seem to be very well informed, I haven't heard much about the moderna vaccine being used in the UK.
Do you know whether there are any plans for that 1 in the UK and how thats stored. "Original SOP says storage is the same as AZ, so we can have that locally too | |||
"Trying to vaccinate millions of people asap with a vaccine that has a shelf life there will always be some wastage. Thankfully this isn't so much of a problem with the Oxford vaccine. So when that 1 is more widely available we shouldn't have the same issues. Yep, we have our first mass delivery to the PCN next week, we can then deliver it in our own surgeries and no 15 minute wait, yay! That is brilliant news.
Seeing is you seem to be very well informed, I haven't heard much about the moderna vaccine being used in the UK.
Do you know whether there are any plans for that 1 in the UK and how thats stored.
Original SOP says storage is the same as AZ, so we can have that locally too "Thank you so much for information I was just curious because I haven't really heard much about it either. | |||
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"Trying to vaccinate millions of people asap with a vaccine that has a shelf life there will always be some wastage. Thankfully this isn't so much of a problem with the Oxford vaccine. So when that 1 is more widely available we shouldn't have the same issues. Yep, we have our first mass delivery to the PCN next week, we can then deliver it in our own surgeries and no 15 minute wait, yay! That is brilliant news.
Seeing is you seem to be very well informed, I haven't heard much about the moderna vaccine being used in the UK.
Do you know whether there are any plans for that 1 in the UK and how thats stored.
Original SOP says storage is the same as AZ, so we can have that locally too
Thank you so much for information I was just curious because I haven't really heard much about it either."No worries, possibly supply may be the issue, we had the Pfizer for this weekend but no idea when we get the next, which really isn't helpful for the second dose! | |||
"I see there's the usual tiny mind, tiny thoughts response from some about no shows. I work in the funeral industry. Our branches are closed to the public except in exceptional circumstances. Does that stop people constantly wanting to come in? Nope. What would you like me to say to the person who turns up in tears on the doorstep telling me their mum has died, 15 minutes before I'm supposed to get my vaccination? There are a huge amount of very genuine reasons people don't turn up for appointments, that was mine." It's not about tiny minds at all and of course there will be situations where people through no fault of their own can't attend. However some centres said 40% of people haven't turned up, I can't imagine all of those had a situation out of their control. Understanding works both ways. And it feels inappropriate to say somebody has a tiny mind if they don't agree with your way of looking at things. | |||
"The head of NHS said today that they normally have a list of people who can turn up if there are any left over at the end of a session so they are not wasted, obviously they can do staff if it is given in a hospital setting We have been doing the same, had 48 left yesterday and got 48 people come in at very short notice, involving some doors being knocked on and came out in their pj's and lots of phone calls, did all our volunteers and emergency services Well done, all of you!
Thank you, we had great fun doing it, loads of patients we hadn't seen for 10 months, lovely to know they are all okay, teamwork was awesome, all volunteering their weekends
Aah..it must have been very comforting for your patients to see you..what a great team!
Thank you, very rewarding, it was amazing, despite working in the car park in the snow, expected lots to not turn up, we had a full list, shows how much folk need to get this done "Definitely, I think most of us can't wait to be jabbed!  | |||
"I see there's the usual tiny mind, tiny thoughts response from some about no shows. I work in the funeral industry. Our branches are closed to the public except in exceptional circumstances. Does that stop people constantly wanting to come in? Nope. What would you like me to say to the person who turns up in tears on the doorstep telling me their mum has died, 15 minutes before I'm supposed to get my vaccination? There are a huge amount of very genuine reasons people don't turn up for appointments, that was mine. It's not about tiny minds at all and of course there will be situations where people through no fault of their own can't attend. However some centres said 40% of people haven't turned up, I can't imagine all of those had a situation out of their control. Understanding works both ways. And it feels inappropriate to say somebody has a tiny mind if they don't agree with your way of looking at things." Some clinics are sending letters to invite people if they have enough warning. With the royal mail admitting in the last week they have postal delays it may not even be their fault. They may not get the letters until after the clinic date. For this reason we are calling people to invite them and have a pretty high attendance rate. | |||
"The head of NHS said today that they normally have a list of people who can turn up if there are any left over at the end of a session so they are not wasted, obviously they can do staff if it is given in a hospital setting We have been doing the same, had 48 left yesterday and got 48 people come in at very short notice, involving some doors being knocked on and came out in their pj's and lots of phone calls, did all our volunteers and emergency services Well done, all of you!
Thank you, we had great fun doing it, loads of patients we hadn't seen for 10 months, lovely to know they are all okay, teamwork was awesome, all volunteering their weekends
Aah..it must have been very comforting for your patients to see you..what a great team!
Thank you, very rewarding, it was amazing, despite working in the car park in the snow, expected lots to not turn up, we had a full list, shows how much folk need to get this done
Definitely, I think most of us can't wait to be jabbed! "Good to hear, we need to get asany of the population done as humanly possible, with consent of course!! | |||
"I see there's the usual tiny mind, tiny thoughts response from some about no shows. I work in the funeral industry. Our branches are closed to the public except in exceptional circumstances. Does that stop people constantly wanting to come in? Nope. What would you like me to say to the person who turns up in tears on the doorstep telling me their mum has died, 15 minutes before I'm supposed to get my vaccination? There are a huge amount of very genuine reasons people don't turn up for appointments, that was mine. It's not about tiny minds at all and of course there will be situations where people through no fault of their own can't attend. However some centres said 40% of people haven't turned up, I can't imagine all of those had a situation out of their control. Understanding works both ways. And it feels inappropriate to say somebody has a tiny mind if they don't agree with your way of looking at things. Some clinics are sending letters to invite people if they have enough warning. With the royal mail admitting in the last week they have postal delays it may not even be their fault. They may not get the letters until after the clinic date. For this reason we are calling people to invite them and have a pretty high attendance rate. " I know in some areas like London because the postal service is awful at the moment it is only being offered by telephone. I'm not saying there are genuine reasons why somebody wouldn't come however I think it is also naive to assume that some people don't just waste appointments. Either way it is a shame that vaccines could possibly go to waste. | |||
"Not a few but loads of them! Apparently GPs have to throw them away rather than give them as a 2nd dose. Anyone else seen this? As a GP practice manager, I can assure you this does NOT happen, we have a shortlist of folk we call at very short notice, which we did last night at the end of our 13 hour clinic, all 1179 doses delivered "awesome work re the amount well done that extra 6th dose out of a vial is working wonders | |||
"I see there's the usual tiny mind, tiny thoughts response from some about no shows. I work in the funeral industry. Our branches are closed to the public except in exceptional circumstances. Does that stop people constantly wanting to come in? Nope. What would you like me to say to the person who turns up in tears on the doorstep telling me their mum has died, 15 minutes before I'm supposed to get my vaccination? There are a huge amount of very genuine reasons people don't turn up for appointments, that was mine. It's not about tiny minds at all and of course there will be situations where people through no fault of their own can't attend. However some centres said 40% of people haven't turned up, I can't imagine all of those had a situation out of their control. Understanding works both ways. And it feels inappropriate to say somebody has a tiny mind if they don't agree with your way of looking at things. Some clinics are sending letters to invite people if they have enough warning. With the royal mail admitting in the last week they have postal delays it may not even be their fault. They may not get the letters until after the clinic date. For this reason we are calling people to invite them and have a pretty high attendance rate. " Same for us in Kent, spent 48 solid hours on the phone to get the clinic filled, we have had 99% attendance. Not sure what is meant to happen to the day job while we deliver this though!! | |||
"The head of NHS said today that they normally have a list of people who can turn up if there are any left over at the end of a session so they are not wasted, obviously they can do staff if it is given in a hospital setting We have been doing the same, had 48 left yesterday and got 48 people come in at very short notice, involving some doors being knocked on and came out in their pj's and lots of phone calls, did all our volunteers and emergency services Well done, all of you!
Thank you, we had great fun doing it, loads of patients we hadn't seen for 10 months, lovely to know they are all okay, teamwork was awesome, all volunteering their weekends
Aah..it must have been very comforting for your patients to see you..what a great team!
Thank you, very rewarding, it was amazing, despite working in the car park in the snow, expected lots to not turn up, we had a full list, shows how much folk need to get this done
Definitely, I think most of us can't wait to be jabbed!
Good to hear, we need to get asany of the population done as humanly possible, with consent of course!!"Yes quite right | |||
"Not a few but loads of them! Apparently GPs have to throw them away rather than give them as a 2nd dose. Anyone else seen this? As a GP practice manager, I can assure you this does NOT happen, we have a shortlist of folk we call at very short notice, which we did last night at the end of our 13 hour clinic, all 1179 doses delivered awesome work re the amount well done that extra 6th dose out of a vial is working wonders"Yep, 1179 out of a 975 batch and apparently we can get 11 from the AZ one, and no mixing, just drawing, yay! | |||
"I see there's the usual tiny mind, tiny thoughts response from some about no shows. I work in the funeral industry. Our branches are closed to the public except in exceptional circumstances. Does that stop people constantly wanting to come in? Nope. What would you like me to say to the person who turns up in tears on the doorstep telling me their mum has died, 15 minutes before I'm supposed to get my vaccination? There are a huge amount of very genuine reasons people don't turn up for appointments, that was mine. It's not about tiny minds at all and of course there will be situations where people through no fault of their own can't attend. However some centres said 40% of people haven't turned up, I can't imagine all of those had a situation out of their control. Understanding works both ways. And it feels inappropriate to say somebody has a tiny mind if they don't agree with your way of looking at things. Some clinics are sending letters to invite people if they have enough warning. With the royal mail admitting in the last week they have postal delays it may not even be their fault. They may not get the letters until after the clinic date. For this reason we are calling people to invite them and have a pretty high attendance rate. I know in some areas like London because the postal service is awful at the moment it is only being offered by telephone. I'm not saying there are genuine reasons why somebody wouldn't come however I think it is also naive to assume that some people don't just waste appointments. Either way it is a shame that vaccines could possibly go to waste." I hope that everywhere is working through their shortlist so this doesn't happen, there are more than enough teachers, shop staff and public facing staff that can benefit, not just the age based cohorts, some of whom were actually embarrassed at being offered the vaccine before those people yesterday, bless them  | |||
"I see there's the usual tiny mind, tiny thoughts response from some about no shows. I work in the funeral industry. Our branches are closed to the public except in exceptional circumstances. Does that stop people constantly wanting to come in? Nope. What would you like me to say to the person who turns up in tears on the doorstep telling me their mum has died, 15 minutes before I'm supposed to get my vaccination? There are a huge amount of very genuine reasons people don't turn up for appointments, that was mine. It's not about tiny minds at all and of course there will be situations where people through no fault of their own can't attend. However some centres said 40% of people haven't turned up, I can't imagine all of those had a situation out of their control. Understanding works both ways. And it feels inappropriate to say somebody has a tiny mind if they don't agree with your way of looking at things. Some clinics are sending letters to invite people if they have enough warning. With the royal mail admitting in the last week they have postal delays it may not even be their fault. They may not get the letters until after the clinic date. For this reason we are calling people to invite them and have a pretty high attendance rate. I know in some areas like London because the postal service is awful at the moment it is only being offered by telephone. I'm not saying there are genuine reasons why somebody wouldn't come however I think it is also naive to assume that some people don't just waste appointments. Either way it is a shame that vaccines could possibly go to waste. I hope that everywhere is working through their shortlist so this doesn't happen, there are more than enough teachers, shop staff and public facing staff that can benefit, not just the age based cohorts, some of whom were actually embarrassed at being offered the vaccine before those people yesterday, bless them "They Shouldn't be and they shouldn't be made to feel that way. | |||
"I see there's the usual tiny mind, tiny thoughts response from some about no shows. I work in the funeral industry. Our branches are closed to the public except in exceptional circumstances. Does that stop people constantly wanting to come in? Nope. What would you like me to say to the person who turns up in tears on the doorstep telling me their mum has died, 15 minutes before I'm supposed to get my vaccination? There are a huge amount of very genuine reasons people don't turn up for appointments, that was mine. It's not about tiny minds at all and of course there will be situations where people through no fault of their own can't attend. However some centres said 40% of people haven't turned up, I can't imagine all of those had a situation out of their control. Understanding works both ways. And it feels inappropriate to say somebody has a tiny mind if they don't agree with your way of looking at things. Some clinics are sending letters to invite people if they have enough warning. With the royal mail admitting in the last week they have postal delays it may not even be their fault. They may not get the letters until after the clinic date. For this reason we are calling people to invite them and have a pretty high attendance rate. I know in some areas like London because the postal service is awful at the moment it is only being offered by telephone. I'm not saying there are genuine reasons why somebody wouldn't come however I think it is also naive to assume that some people don't just waste appointments. Either way it is a shame that vaccines could possibly go to waste. I hope that everywhere is working through their shortlist so this doesn't happen, there are more than enough teachers, shop staff and public facing staff that can benefit, not just the age based cohorts, some of whom were actually embarrassed at being offered the vaccine before those people yesterday, bless them "We are only allowed to vaccinate in the cohorts given by the government so cant do teachers or shop workers etc. We are still on over 80 and health and social care workers. If you are outside this cohort we cant vaccinate you. The shortlists are of people in the same cohorts (or at least they should be) | |||
"I see there's the usual tiny mind, tiny thoughts response from some about no shows. I work in the funeral industry. Our branches are closed to the public except in exceptional circumstances. Does that stop people constantly wanting to come in? Nope. What would you like me to say to the person who turns up in tears on the doorstep telling me their mum has died, 15 minutes before I'm supposed to get my vaccination? There are a huge amount of very genuine reasons people don't turn up for appointments, that was mine. It's not about tiny minds at all and of course there will be situations where people through no fault of their own can't attend. However some centres said 40% of people haven't turned up, I can't imagine all of those had a situation out of their control. Understanding works both ways. And it feels inappropriate to say somebody has a tiny mind if they don't agree with your way of looking at things. Some clinics are sending letters to invite people if they have enough warning. With the royal mail admitting in the last week they have postal delays it may not even be their fault. They may not get the letters until after the clinic date. For this reason we are calling people to invite them and have a pretty high attendance rate. I know in some areas like London because the postal service is awful at the moment it is only being offered by telephone. I'm not saying there are genuine reasons why somebody wouldn't come however I think it is also naive to assume that some people don't just waste appointments. Either way it is a shame that vaccines could possibly go to waste. I hope that everywhere is working through their shortlist so this doesn't happen, there are more than enough teachers, shop staff and public facing staff that can benefit, not just the age based cohorts, some of whom were actually embarrassed at being offered the vaccine before those people yesterday, bless them "My dad feels the same way. | |||
"I see there's the usual tiny mind, tiny thoughts response from some about no shows. I work in the funeral industry. Our branches are closed to the public except in exceptional circumstances. Does that stop people constantly wanting to come in? Nope. What would you like me to say to the person who turns up in tears on the doorstep telling me their mum has died, 15 minutes before I'm supposed to get my vaccination? There are a huge amount of very genuine reasons people don't turn up for appointments, that was mine. It's not about tiny minds at all and of course there will be situations where people through no fault of their own can't attend. However some centres said 40% of people haven't turned up, I can't imagine all of those had a situation out of their control. Understanding works both ways. And it feels inappropriate to say somebody has a tiny mind if they don't agree with your way of looking at things. Some clinics are sending letters to invite people if they have enough warning. With the royal mail admitting in the last week they have postal delays it may not even be their fault. They may not get the letters until after the clinic date. For this reason we are calling people to invite them and have a pretty high attendance rate. I know in some areas like London because the postal service is awful at the moment it is only being offered by telephone. I'm not saying there are genuine reasons why somebody wouldn't come however I think it is also naive to assume that some people don't just waste appointments. Either way it is a shame that vaccines could possibly go to waste. I hope that everywhere is working through their shortlist so this doesn't happen, there are more than enough teachers, shop staff and public facing staff that can benefit, not just the age based cohorts, some of whom were actually embarrassed at being offered the vaccine before those people yesterday, bless them
We are only allowed to vaccinate in the cohorts given by the government so cant do teachers or shop workers etc. We are still on over 80 and health and social care workers. If you are outside this cohort we cant vaccinate you. The shortlists are of people in the same cohorts (or at least they should be) " | |||
"I see there's the usual tiny mind, tiny thoughts response from some about no shows. I work in the funeral industry. Our branches are closed to the public except in exceptional circumstances. Does that stop people constantly wanting to come in? Nope. What would you like me to say to the person who turns up in tears on the doorstep telling me their mum has died, 15 minutes before I'm supposed to get my vaccination? There are a huge amount of very genuine reasons people don't turn up for appointments, that was mine. It's not about tiny minds at all and of course there will be situations where people through no fault of their own can't attend. However some centres said 40% of people haven't turned up, I can't imagine all of those had a situation out of their control. Understanding works both ways. And it feels inappropriate to say somebody has a tiny mind if they don't agree with your way of looking at things. Some clinics are sending letters to invite people if they have enough warning. With the royal mail admitting in the last week they have postal delays it may not even be their fault. They may not get the letters until after the clinic date. For this reason we are calling people to invite them and have a pretty high attendance rate. I know in some areas like London because the postal service is awful at the moment it is only being offered by telephone. I'm not saying there are genuine reasons why somebody wouldn't come however I think it is also naive to assume that some people don't just waste appointments. Either way it is a shame that vaccines could possibly go to waste. I hope that everywhere is working through their shortlist so this doesn't happen, there are more than enough teachers, shop staff and public facing staff that can benefit, not just the age based cohorts, some of whom were actually embarrassed at being offered the vaccine before those people yesterday, bless them
My dad feels the same way. "Bless him, but when he is invited he should go, the cohorts are evidence based on mortality rates | |||
"I see there's the usual tiny mind, tiny thoughts response from some about no shows. I work in the funeral industry. Our branches are closed to the public except in exceptional circumstances. Does that stop people constantly wanting to come in? Nope. What would you like me to say to the person who turns up in tears on the doorstep telling me their mum has died, 15 minutes before I'm supposed to get my vaccination? There are a huge amount of very genuine reasons people don't turn up for appointments, that was mine. It's not about tiny minds at all and of course there will be situations where people through no fault of their own can't attend. However some centres said 40% of people haven't turned up, I can't imagine all of those had a situation out of their control. Understanding works both ways. And it feels inappropriate to say somebody has a tiny mind if they don't agree with your way of looking at things. Some clinics are sending letters to invite people if they have enough warning. With the royal mail admitting in the last week they have postal delays it may not even be their fault. They may not get the letters until after the clinic date. For this reason we are calling people to invite them and have a pretty high attendance rate. I know in some areas like London because the postal service is awful at the moment it is only being offered by telephone. I'm not saying there are genuine reasons why somebody wouldn't come however I think it is also naive to assume that some people don't just waste appointments. Either way it is a shame that vaccines could possibly go to waste. I hope that everywhere is working through their shortlist so this doesn't happen, there are more than enough teachers, shop staff and public facing staff that can benefit, not just the age based cohorts, some of whom were actually embarrassed at being offered the vaccine before those people yesterday, bless them
We are only allowed to vaccinate in the cohorts given by the government so cant do teachers or shop workers etc. We are still on over 80 and health and social care workers. If you are outside this cohort we cant vaccinate you. The shortlists are of people in the same cohorts (or at least they should be) "If we have spare vaccine, we will administer to anyone who has a patient facing role, rather than let it go to waste | |||
"I see there's the usual tiny mind, tiny thoughts response from some about no shows. I work in the funeral industry. Our branches are closed to the public except in exceptional circumstances. Does that stop people constantly wanting to come in? Nope. What would you like me to say to the person who turns up in tears on the doorstep telling me their mum has died, 15 minutes before I'm supposed to get my vaccination? There are a huge amount of very genuine reasons people don't turn up for appointments, that was mine. It's not about tiny minds at all and of course there will be situations where people through no fault of their own can't attend. However some centres said 40% of people haven't turned up, I can't imagine all of those had a situation out of their control. Understanding works both ways. And it feels inappropriate to say somebody has a tiny mind if they don't agree with your way of looking at things. Some clinics are sending letters to invite people if they have enough warning. With the royal mail admitting in the last week they have postal delays it may not even be their fault. They may not get the letters until after the clinic date. For this reason we are calling people to invite them and have a pretty high attendance rate. I know in some areas like London because the postal service is awful at the moment it is only being offered by telephone. I'm not saying there are genuine reasons why somebody wouldn't come however I think it is also naive to assume that some people don't just waste appointments. Either way it is a shame that vaccines could possibly go to waste. I hope that everywhere is working through their shortlist so this doesn't happen, there are more than enough teachers, shop staff and public facing staff that can benefit, not just the age based cohorts, some of whom were actually embarrassed at being offered the vaccine before those people yesterday, bless them
My dad feels the same way.
Bless him, but when he is invited he should go, the cohorts are evidence based on mortality rates"Had his first jab last week. | |||
"No they dont... Vaccine has to be used in 6 hrs. Gps have lists of patients and staff they can use the vaccines on. This is utter rubbish. NHS gp nurse/vaccinator " Someone speaking the TRUTH thankfully. This is happening locally here too. | |||
"I see there's the usual tiny mind, tiny thoughts response from some about no shows. I work in the funeral industry. Our branches are closed to the public except in exceptional circumstances. Does that stop people constantly wanting to come in? Nope. What would you like me to say to the person who turns up in tears on the doorstep telling me their mum has died, 15 minutes before I'm supposed to get my vaccination? There are a huge amount of very genuine reasons people don't turn up for appointments, that was mine. It's not about tiny minds at all and of course there will be situations where people through no fault of their own can't attend. However some centres said 40% of people haven't turned up, I can't imagine all of those had a situation out of their control. Understanding works both ways. And it feels inappropriate to say somebody has a tiny mind if they don't agree with your way of looking at things. Some clinics are sending letters to invite people if they have enough warning. With the royal mail admitting in the last week they have postal delays it may not even be their fault. They may not get the letters until after the clinic date. For this reason we are calling people to invite them and have a pretty high attendance rate. I know in some areas like London because the postal service is awful at the moment it is only being offered by telephone. I'm not saying there are genuine reasons why somebody wouldn't come however I think it is also naive to assume that some people don't just waste appointments. Either way it is a shame that vaccines could possibly go to waste. I hope that everywhere is working through their shortlist so this doesn't happen, there are more than enough teachers, shop staff and public facing staff that can benefit, not just the age based cohorts, some of whom were actually embarrassed at being offered the vaccine before those people yesterday, bless them
My dad feels the same way.
Bless him, but when he is invited he should go, the cohorts are evidence based on mortality rates
Had his first jab last week. "Good, glad it didn't stop him getting it | |||
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"I see there's the usual tiny mind, tiny thoughts response from some about no shows. I work in the funeral industry. Our branches are closed to the public except in exceptional circumstances. Does that stop people constantly wanting to come in? Nope. What would you like me to say to the person who turns up in tears on the doorstep telling me their mum has died, 15 minutes before I'm supposed to get my vaccination? There are a huge amount of very genuine reasons people don't turn up for appointments, that was mine. It's not about tiny minds at all and of course there will be situations where people through no fault of their own can't attend. However some centres said 40% of people haven't turned up, I can't imagine all of those had a situation out of their control. Understanding works both ways. And it feels inappropriate to say somebody has a tiny mind if they don't agree with your way of looking at things. Some clinics are sending letters to invite people if they have enough warning. With the royal mail admitting in the last week they have postal delays it may not even be their fault. They may not get the letters until after the clinic date. For this reason we are calling people to invite them and have a pretty high attendance rate. I know in some areas like London because the postal service is awful at the moment it is only being offered by telephone. I'm not saying there are genuine reasons why somebody wouldn't come however I think it is also naive to assume that some people don't just waste appointments. Either way it is a shame that vaccines could possibly go to waste. I hope that everywhere is working through their shortlist so this doesn't happen, there are more than enough teachers, shop staff and public facing staff that can benefit, not just the age based cohorts, some of whom were actually embarrassed at being offered the vaccine before those people yesterday, bless them
We are only allowed to vaccinate in the cohorts given by the government so cant do teachers or shop workers etc. We are still on over 80 and health and social care workers. If you are outside this cohort we cant vaccinate you. The shortlists are of people in the same cohorts (or at least they should be)
If we have spare vaccine, we will administer to anyone who has a patient facing role, rather than let it go to waste"So do we, patient facing roles are in this cohort. I think it will get more difficult to get it all used up when all the staff have been done as they tend to be who we are using left over vaccines on. | |||
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"The government have messed this up again. They had months to plan and its a farce. " I don't think they has yes there has been teething problems but that was to be expected. We have managed to vaccinate 3.5 million people as of yesterday so that number will be even higher by the end of today in just 6 weeks. Yes there have been some issues but on the whole it has been a roaring success. | |||
"I see there's the usual tiny mind, tiny thoughts response from some about no shows. I work in the funeral industry. Our branches are closed to the public except in exceptional circumstances. Does that stop people constantly wanting to come in? Nope. What would you like me to say to the person who turns up in tears on the doorstep telling me their mum has died, 15 minutes before I'm supposed to get my vaccination? There are a huge amount of very genuine reasons people don't turn up for appointments, that was mine. It's not about tiny minds at all and of course there will be situations where people through no fault of their own can't attend. However some centres said 40% of people haven't turned up, I can't imagine all of those had a situation out of their control. Understanding works both ways. And it feels inappropriate to say somebody has a tiny mind if they don't agree with your way of looking at things. Some clinics are sending letters to invite people if they have enough warning. With the royal mail admitting in the last week they have postal delays it may not even be their fault. They may not get the letters until after the clinic date. For this reason we are calling people to invite them and have a pretty high attendance rate. I know in some areas like London because the postal service is awful at the moment it is only being offered by telephone. I'm not saying there are genuine reasons why somebody wouldn't come however I think it is also naive to assume that some people don't just waste appointments. Either way it is a shame that vaccines could possibly go to waste. I hope that everywhere is working through their shortlist so this doesn't happen, there are more than enough teachers, shop staff and public facing staff that can benefit, not just the age based cohorts, some of whom were actually embarrassed at being offered the vaccine before those people yesterday, bless them
We are only allowed to vaccinate in the cohorts given by the government so cant do teachers or shop workers etc. We are still on over 80 and health and social care workers. If you are outside this cohort we cant vaccinate you. The shortlists are of people in the same cohorts (or at least they should be)
If we have spare vaccine, we will administer to anyone who has a patient facing role, rather than let it go to waste
So do we, patient facing roles are in this cohort.
I think it will get more difficult to get it all used up when all the staff have been done as they tend to be who we are using left over vaccines on. "Already an issue for our PCN, all staff are done and volunteers, we are doing the emergency services and social care with the excess, yesterday we were actually knocking on doors to get people in so we didn't waste any | |||
"No they dont... Vaccine has to be used in 6 hrs. Gps have lists of patients and staff they can use the vaccines on. This is utter rubbish. NHS gp nurse/vaccinator " Thank you for clarifying what I have been saying, you nurses have been absolutely awesome in delivering and we haven't wasted a drop | |||
"I see there's the usual tiny mind, tiny thoughts response from some about no shows. I work in the funeral industry. Our branches are closed to the public except in exceptional circumstances. Does that stop people constantly wanting to come in? Nope. What would you like me to say to the person who turns up in tears on the doorstep telling me their mum has died, 15 minutes before I'm supposed to get my vaccination? There are a huge amount of very genuine reasons people don't turn up for appointments, that was mine. It's not about tiny minds at all and of course there will be situations where people through no fault of their own can't attend. However some centres said 40% of people haven't turned up, I can't imagine all of those had a situation out of their control. Understanding works both ways. And it feels inappropriate to say somebody has a tiny mind if they don't agree with your way of looking at things. Some clinics are sending letters to invite people if they have enough warning. With the royal mail admitting in the last week they have postal delays it may not even be their fault. They may not get the letters until after the clinic date. For this reason we are calling people to invite them and have a pretty high attendance rate. I know in some areas like London because the postal service is awful at the moment it is only being offered by telephone. I'm not saying there are genuine reasons why somebody wouldn't come however I think it is also naive to assume that some people don't just waste appointments. Either way it is a shame that vaccines could possibly go to waste. I hope that everywhere is working through their shortlist so this doesn't happen, there are more than enough teachers, shop staff and public facing staff that can benefit, not just the age based cohorts, some of whom were actually embarrassed at being offered the vaccine before those people yesterday, bless them
We are only allowed to vaccinate in the cohorts given by the government so cant do teachers or shop workers etc. We are still on over 80 and health and social care workers. If you are outside this cohort we cant vaccinate you. The shortlists are of people in the same cohorts (or at least they should be)
If we have spare vaccine, we will administer to anyone who has a patient facing role, rather than let it go to waste
So do we, patient facing roles are in this cohort.
I think it will get more difficult to get it all used up when all the staff have been done as they tend to be who we are using left over vaccines on.
Already an issue for our PCN, all staff are done and volunteers, we are doing the emergency services and social care with the excess, yesterday we were actually knocking on doors to get people in so we didn't waste any"I have to say this surprises me because both you and the other lady who is a nurse have said you have 99% attendance. If this is the case why are there left over vaccines? I'm not trying to be difficult but surely that would suggest Not enough people in the priority categories are being contacted to come in. If there aren’t enough people in those categories then surely it makes sense to start the next one down. | |||
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"I see there's the usual tiny mind, tiny thoughts response from some about no shows. I work in the funeral industry. Our branches are closed to the public except in exceptional circumstances. Does that stop people constantly wanting to come in? Nope. What would you like me to say to the person who turns up in tears on the doorstep telling me their mum has died, 15 minutes before I'm supposed to get my vaccination? There are a huge amount of very genuine reasons people don't turn up for appointments, that was mine. It's not about tiny minds at all and of course there will be situations where people through no fault of their own can't attend. However some centres said 40% of people haven't turned up, I can't imagine all of those had a situation out of their control. Understanding works both ways. And it feels inappropriate to say somebody has a tiny mind if they don't agree with your way of looking at things. Some clinics are sending letters to invite people if they have enough warning. With the royal mail admitting in the last week they have postal delays it may not even be their fault. They may not get the letters until after the clinic date. For this reason we are calling people to invite them and have a pretty high attendance rate. I know in some areas like London because the postal service is awful at the moment it is only being offered by telephone. I'm not saying there are genuine reasons why somebody wouldn't come however I think it is also naive to assume that some people don't just waste appointments. Either way it is a shame that vaccines could possibly go to waste. I hope that everywhere is working through their shortlist so this doesn't happen, there are more than enough teachers, shop staff and public facing staff that can benefit, not just the age based cohorts, some of whom were actually embarrassed at being offered the vaccine before those people yesterday, bless them
We are only allowed to vaccinate in the cohorts given by the government so cant do teachers or shop workers etc. We are still on over 80 and health and social care workers. If you are outside this cohort we cant vaccinate you. The shortlists are of people in the same cohorts (or at least they should be)
If we have spare vaccine, we will administer to anyone who has a patient facing role, rather than let it go to waste
So do we, patient facing roles are in this cohort.
I think it will get more difficult to get it all used up when all the staff have been done as they tend to be who we are using left over vaccines on.
Already an issue for our PCN, all staff are done and volunteers, we are doing the emergency services and social care with the excess, yesterday we were actually knocking on doors to get people in so we didn't waste any
I have to say this surprises me because both you and the other lady who is a nurse have said you have 99% attendance.
If this is the case why are there left over vaccines?
I'm not trying to be difficult but surely that would suggest Not enough people in the priority categories are being contacted to come in. If there aren’t enough people in those categories then surely it makes sense to start the next one down."Because we have had to reject some attendees for allergies at the stage of completing the questionnaire, I had a lot with penicillin allergies yesterday that will have to wait for the AZ one...plus, we can't guarantee 6 doses from every vial, so we have to be a bit cautious with the need we book, we actually thought we would run out yesterday, thankfully turned out not to be the case, it is really difficult to manage logistically tbh | |||
"I see there's the usual tiny mind, tiny thoughts response from some about no shows. I work in the funeral industry. Our branches are closed to the public except in exceptional circumstances. Does that stop people constantly wanting to come in? Nope. What would you like me to say to the person who turns up in tears on the doorstep telling me their mum has died, 15 minutes before I'm supposed to get my vaccination? There are a huge amount of very genuine reasons people don't turn up for appointments, that was mine. It's not about tiny minds at all and of course there will be situations where people through no fault of their own can't attend. However some centres said 40% of people haven't turned up, I can't imagine all of those had a situation out of their control. Understanding works both ways. And it feels inappropriate to say somebody has a tiny mind if they don't agree with your way of looking at things. Some clinics are sending letters to invite people if they have enough warning. With the royal mail admitting in the last week they have postal delays it may not even be their fault. They may not get the letters until after the clinic date. For this reason we are calling people to invite them and have a pretty high attendance rate. I know in some areas like London because the postal service is awful at the moment it is only being offered by telephone. I'm not saying there are genuine reasons why somebody wouldn't come however I think it is also naive to assume that some people don't just waste appointments. Either way it is a shame that vaccines could possibly go to waste. I hope that everywhere is working through their shortlist so this doesn't happen, there are more than enough teachers, shop staff and public facing staff that can benefit, not just the age based cohorts, some of whom were actually embarrassed at being offered the vaccine before those people yesterday, bless them
We are only allowed to vaccinate in the cohorts given by the government so cant do teachers or shop workers etc. We are still on over 80 and health and social care workers. If you are outside this cohort we cant vaccinate you. The shortlists are of people in the same cohorts (or at least they should be)
If we have spare vaccine, we will administer to anyone who has a patient facing role, rather than let it go to waste
So do we, patient facing roles are in this cohort.
I think it will get more difficult to get it all used up when all the staff have been done as they tend to be who we are using left over vaccines on.
Already an issue for our PCN, all staff are done and volunteers, we are doing the emergency services and social care with the excess, yesterday we were actually knocking on doors to get people in so we didn't waste any
I have to say this surprises me because both you and the other lady who is a nurse have said you have 99% attendance.
If this is the case why are there left over vaccines?
I'm not trying to be difficult but surely that would suggest Not enough people in the priority categories are being contacted to come in. If there aren’t enough people in those categories then surely it makes sense to start the next one down.
Because we have had to reject some attendees for allergies at the stage of completing the questionnaire, I had a lot with penicillin allergies yesterday that will have to wait for the AZ one...plus, we can't guarantee 6 doses from every vial, so we have to be a bit cautious with the need we book, we actually thought we would run out yesterday, thankfully turned out not to be the case, it is really difficult to manage logistically tbh"Amount we book even, hope this helps explain | |||
"If you have 99% attendance then you have some left over vaccine. Obviously !" Well if you invite 1000 people that would be 10 left over surely not to different to get 10 to have the vaccine at short notice. Surely some of those people will have someone with them so that person could be offered it so I was just surprised they were having to actually go and knock on people's doors. I agree they should be used if there are any left over it just seems that this is happening quite a lot all over the country. | |||
"I see there's the usual tiny mind, tiny thoughts response from some about no shows. I work in the funeral industry. Our branches are closed to the public except in exceptional circumstances. Does that stop people constantly wanting to come in? Nope. What would you like me to say to the person who turns up in tears on the doorstep telling me their mum has died, 15 minutes before I'm supposed to get my vaccination? There are a huge amount of very genuine reasons people don't turn up for appointments, that was mine. It's not about tiny minds at all and of course there will be situations where people through no fault of their own can't attend. However some centres said 40% of people haven't turned up, I can't imagine all of those had a situation out of their control. Understanding works both ways. And it feels inappropriate to say somebody has a tiny mind if they don't agree with your way of looking at things. Some clinics are sending letters to invite people if they have enough warning. With the royal mail admitting in the last week they have postal delays it may not even be their fault. They may not get the letters until after the clinic date. For this reason we are calling people to invite them and have a pretty high attendance rate. I know in some areas like London because the postal service is awful at the moment it is only being offered by telephone. I'm not saying there are genuine reasons why somebody wouldn't come however I think it is also naive to assume that some people don't just waste appointments. Either way it is a shame that vaccines could possibly go to waste. I hope that everywhere is working through their shortlist so this doesn't happen, there are more than enough teachers, shop staff and public facing staff that can benefit, not just the age based cohorts, some of whom were actually embarrassed at being offered the vaccine before those people yesterday, bless them
We are only allowed to vaccinate in the cohorts given by the government so cant do teachers or shop workers etc. We are still on over 80 and health and social care workers. If you are outside this cohort we cant vaccinate you. The shortlists are of people in the same cohorts (or at least they should be)
If we have spare vaccine, we will administer to anyone who has a patient facing role, rather than let it go to waste
So do we, patient facing roles are in this cohort.
I think it will get more difficult to get it all used up when all the staff have been done as they tend to be who we are using left over vaccines on.
Already an issue for our PCN, all staff are done and volunteers, we are doing the emergency services and social care with the excess, yesterday we were actually knocking on doors to get people in so we didn't waste any
I have to say this surprises me because both you and the other lady who is a nurse have said you have 99% attendance.
If this is the case why are there left over vaccines?
I'm not trying to be difficult but surely that would suggest Not enough people in the priority categories are being contacted to come in. If there aren’t enough people in those categories then surely it makes sense to start the next one down.
Because we have had to reject some attendees for allergies at the stage of completing the questionnaire, I had a lot with penicillin allergies yesterday that will have to wait for the AZ one...plus, we can't guarantee 6 doses from every vial, so we have to be a bit cautious with the need we book, we actually thought we would run out yesterday, thankfully turned out not to be the case, it is really difficult to manage logistically tbh
Amount we book even, hope this helps explain"Yes it does and that makes more sense. | |||
"I see there's the usual tiny mind, tiny thoughts response from some about no shows. I work in the funeral industry. Our branches are closed to the public except in exceptional circumstances. Does that stop people constantly wanting to come in? Nope. What would you like me to say to the person who turns up in tears on the doorstep telling me their mum has died, 15 minutes before I'm supposed to get my vaccination? There are a huge amount of very genuine reasons people don't turn up for appointments, that was mine. It's not about tiny minds at all and of course there will be situations where people through no fault of their own can't attend. However some centres said 40% of people haven't turned up, I can't imagine all of those had a situation out of their control. Understanding works both ways. And it feels inappropriate to say somebody has a tiny mind if they don't agree with your way of looking at things. Some clinics are sending letters to invite people if they have enough warning. With the royal mail admitting in the last week they have postal delays it may not even be their fault. They may not get the letters until after the clinic date. For this reason we are calling people to invite them and have a pretty high attendance rate. I know in some areas like London because the postal service is awful at the moment it is only being offered by telephone. I'm not saying there are genuine reasons why somebody wouldn't come however I think it is also naive to assume that some people don't just waste appointments. Either way it is a shame that vaccines could possibly go to waste. I hope that everywhere is working through their shortlist so this doesn't happen, there are more than enough teachers, shop staff and public facing staff that can benefit, not just the age based cohorts, some of whom were actually embarrassed at being offered the vaccine before those people yesterday, bless them
We are only allowed to vaccinate in the cohorts given by the government so cant do teachers or shop workers etc. We are still on over 80 and health and social care workers. If you are outside this cohort we cant vaccinate you. The shortlists are of people in the same cohorts (or at least they should be)
If we have spare vaccine, we will administer to anyone who has a patient facing role, rather than let it go to waste
So do we, patient facing roles are in this cohort.
I think it will get more difficult to get it all used up when all the staff have been done as they tend to be who we are using left over vaccines on.
Already an issue for our PCN, all staff are done and volunteers, we are doing the emergency services and social care with the excess, yesterday we were actually knocking on doors to get people in so we didn't waste any
I have to say this surprises me because both you and the other lady who is a nurse have said you have 99% attendance.
If this is the case why are there left over vaccines?
I'm not trying to be difficult but surely that would suggest Not enough people in the priority categories are being contacted to come in. If there aren’t enough people in those categories then surely it makes sense to start the next one down.
Because we have had to reject some attendees for allergies at the stage of completing the questionnaire, I had a lot with penicillin allergies yesterday that will have to wait for the AZ one...plus, we can't guarantee 6 doses from every vial, so we have to be a bit cautious with the need we book, we actually thought we would run out yesterday, thankfully turned out not to be the case, it is really difficult to manage logistically tbh
Amount we book even, hope this helps explain
Yes it does and that makes more sense.
"Thanks, I was quite shocked at the amount with penicillin allergies yesterday, have them all booked for the AZ week after next | |||
"I see there's the usual tiny mind, tiny thoughts response from some about no shows. I work in the funeral industry. Our branches are closed to the public except in exceptional circumstances. Does that stop people constantly wanting to come in? Nope. What would you like me to say to the person who turns up in tears on the doorstep telling me their mum has died, 15 minutes before I'm supposed to get my vaccination? There are a huge amount of very genuine reasons people don't turn up for appointments, that was mine. It's not about tiny minds at all and of course there will be situations where people through no fault of their own can't attend. However some centres said 40% of people haven't turned up, I can't imagine all of those had a situation out of their control. Understanding works both ways. And it feels inappropriate to say somebody has a tiny mind if they don't agree with your way of looking at things. Some clinics are sending letters to invite people if they have enough warning. With the royal mail admitting in the last week they have postal delays it may not even be their fault. They may not get the letters until after the clinic date. For this reason we are calling people to invite them and have a pretty high attendance rate. I know in some areas like London because the postal service is awful at the moment it is only being offered by telephone. I'm not saying there are genuine reasons why somebody wouldn't come however I think it is also naive to assume that some people don't just waste appointments. Either way it is a shame that vaccines could possibly go to waste. I hope that everywhere is working through their shortlist so this doesn't happen, there are more than enough teachers, shop staff and public facing staff that can benefit, not just the age based cohorts, some of whom were actually embarrassed at being offered the vaccine before those people yesterday, bless them
We are only allowed to vaccinate in the cohorts given by the government so cant do teachers or shop workers etc. We are still on over 80 and health and social care workers. If you are outside this cohort we cant vaccinate you. The shortlists are of people in the same cohorts (or at least they should be)
If we have spare vaccine, we will administer to anyone who has a patient facing role, rather than let it go to waste
So do we, patient facing roles are in this cohort.
I think it will get more difficult to get it all used up when all the staff have been done as they tend to be who we are using left over vaccines on.
Already an issue for our PCN, all staff are done and volunteers, we are doing the emergency services and social care with the excess, yesterday we were actually knocking on doors to get people in so we didn't waste any
I have to say this surprises me because both you and the other lady who is a nurse have said you have 99% attendance.
If this is the case why are there left over vaccines?
I'm not trying to be difficult but surely that would suggest Not enough people in the priority categories are being contacted to come in. If there aren’t enough people in those categories then surely it makes sense to start the next one down.
Because we have had to reject some attendees for allergies at the stage of completing the questionnaire, I had a lot with penicillin allergies yesterday that will have to wait for the AZ one...plus, we can't guarantee 6 doses from every vial, so we have to be a bit cautious with the need we book, we actually thought we would run out yesterday, thankfully turned out not to be the case, it is really difficult to manage logistically tbh
Amount we book even, hope this helps explain
Yes it does and that makes more sense.
Thanks, I was quite shocked at the amount with penicillin allergies yesterday, have them all booked for the AZ week after next "Is it also advise that people with penicillin allergies don't have the Oxford vaccine? Thank you for answering all my questions I have a very inquisitiveness mind and this is helpful so thank you. | |||
"I see there's the usual tiny mind, tiny thoughts response from some about no shows. I work in the funeral industry. Our branches are closed to the public except in exceptional circumstances. Does that stop people constantly wanting to come in? Nope. What would you like me to say to the person who turns up in tears on the doorstep telling me their mum has died, 15 minutes before I'm supposed to get my vaccination? There are a huge amount of very genuine reasons people don't turn up for appointments, that was mine. It's not about tiny minds at all and of course there will be situations where people through no fault of their own can't attend. However some centres said 40% of people haven't turned up, I can't imagine all of those had a situation out of their control. Understanding works both ways. And it feels inappropriate to say somebody has a tiny mind if they don't agree with your way of looking at things. Some clinics are sending letters to invite people if they have enough warning. With the royal mail admitting in the last week they have postal delays it may not even be their fault. They may not get the letters until after the clinic date. For this reason we are calling people to invite them and have a pretty high attendance rate. I know in some areas like London because the postal service is awful at the moment it is only being offered by telephone. I'm not saying there are genuine reasons why somebody wouldn't come however I think it is also naive to assume that some people don't just waste appointments. Either way it is a shame that vaccines could possibly go to waste. I hope that everywhere is working through their shortlist so this doesn't happen, there are more than enough teachers, shop staff and public facing staff that can benefit, not just the age based cohorts, some of whom were actually embarrassed at being offered the vaccine before those people yesterday, bless them
We are only allowed to vaccinate in the cohorts given by the government so cant do teachers or shop workers etc. We are still on over 80 and health and social care workers. If you are outside this cohort we cant vaccinate you. The shortlists are of people in the same cohorts (or at least they should be)
If we have spare vaccine, we will administer to anyone who has a patient facing role, rather than let it go to waste
So do we, patient facing roles are in this cohort.
I think it will get more difficult to get it all used up when all the staff have been done as they tend to be who we are using left over vaccines on.
Already an issue for our PCN, all staff are done and volunteers, we are doing the emergency services and social care with the excess, yesterday we were actually knocking on doors to get people in so we didn't waste any
I have to say this surprises me because both you and the other lady who is a nurse have said you have 99% attendance.
If this is the case why are there left over vaccines?
I'm not trying to be difficult but surely that would suggest Not enough people in the priority categories are being contacted to come in. If there aren’t enough people in those categories then surely it makes sense to start the next one down.
Because we have had to reject some attendees for allergies at the stage of completing the questionnaire, I had a lot with penicillin allergies yesterday that will have to wait for the AZ one...plus, we can't guarantee 6 doses from every vial, so we have to be a bit cautious with the need we book, we actually thought we would run out yesterday, thankfully turned out not to be the case, it is really difficult to manage logistically tbh
Amount we book even, hope this helps explain
Yes it does and that makes more sense.
Thanks, I was quite shocked at the amount with penicillin allergies yesterday, have them all booked for the AZ week after next
Is it also advise that people with penicillin allergies don't have the Oxford vaccine?
Thank you for answering all my questions I have a very inquisitiveness mind and this is helpful so thank you. "No problem, sadly I have a wealth of knowledge, so happy to share, those allergies are not contraindicated for the AZ or the Moderna...Pfizer did update their allergy list, but we haven't wanted to take chances, as we know we have the AZ very shortly, it made sense to err on the side of caution | |||
"I see there's the usual tiny mind, tiny thoughts response from some about no shows. I work in the funeral industry. Our branches are closed to the public except in exceptional circumstances. Does that stop people constantly wanting to come in? Nope. What would you like me to say to the person who turns up in tears on the doorstep telling me their mum has died, 15 minutes before I'm supposed to get my vaccination? There are a huge amount of very genuine reasons people don't turn up for appointments, that was mine. It's not about tiny minds at all and of course there will be situations where people through no fault of their own can't attend. However some centres said 40% of people haven't turned up, I can't imagine all of those had a situation out of their control. Understanding works both ways. And it feels inappropriate to say somebody has a tiny mind if they don't agree with your way of looking at things. Some clinics are sending letters to invite people if they have enough warning. With the royal mail admitting in the last week they have postal delays it may not even be their fault. They may not get the letters until after the clinic date. For this reason we are calling people to invite them and have a pretty high attendance rate. I know in some areas like London because the postal service is awful at the moment it is only being offered by telephone. I'm not saying there are genuine reasons why somebody wouldn't come however I think it is also naive to assume that some people don't just waste appointments. Either way it is a shame that vaccines could possibly go to waste. I hope that everywhere is working through their shortlist so this doesn't happen, there are more than enough teachers, shop staff and public facing staff that can benefit, not just the age based cohorts, some of whom were actually embarrassed at being offered the vaccine before those people yesterday, bless them
We are only allowed to vaccinate in the cohorts given by the government so cant do teachers or shop workers etc. We are still on over 80 and health and social care workers. If you are outside this cohort we cant vaccinate you. The shortlists are of people in the same cohorts (or at least they should be)
If we have spare vaccine, we will administer to anyone who has a patient facing role, rather than let it go to waste
So do we, patient facing roles are in this cohort.
I think it will get more difficult to get it all used up when all the staff have been done as they tend to be who we are using left over vaccines on.
Already an issue for our PCN, all staff are done and volunteers, we are doing the emergency services and social care with the excess, yesterday we were actually knocking on doors to get people in so we didn't waste any
I have to say this surprises me because both you and the other lady who is a nurse have said you have 99% attendance.
If this is the case why are there left over vaccines?
I'm not trying to be difficult but surely that would suggest Not enough people in the priority categories are being contacted to come in. If there aren’t enough people in those categories then surely it makes sense to start the next one down."Some attend but for various reasons thay cant have the vaccine. Others say they will come but dont attend. It is the number in the cohort that is the issue. Also it is not up to those giving it we are all bound by rules and regulations. We cant go into the next cohort until the current cohort for our PCN area is complete. It's all rather complicated but surgeries are working as groups not working alone on just their own patients. | |||
"Begs the question why !" Because people don't show up for their appointments. | |||
"we call people to see if they can come to the practice right away its not always doable so some get wasted we try our best " At least your trying.. Shame people cant be dragged off the streets and given it | |||
