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Many news agencies reporting 23 deaths of people in their 80's after receiving the vaccine.
13 of which are reported as being related to side effects, the rest they are not able to rule out of being caused by the vaccine.
Looks like they will be issuing advice that the frail should not be vaccinated.
I've not seen reports of this happening anywhere else so could well just be an unfortunate coincidence, but a tad worry never the less.
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From my brief scan of a couple of news items about this it is being reported that some doctors in Norway have flagged that it is possible it is related to the vaccine.
This is being disputed by other health professionals in the country saying that these doctors have an anti-vaccine agenda.
So at the moment it's looking like there isn't a lot of validity in these claims. |
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"From my brief scan of a couple of news items about this it is being reported that some doctors in Norway have flagged that it is possible it is related to the vaccine.
This is being disputed by other health professionals in the country saying that these doctors have an anti-vaccine agenda.
So at the moment it's looking like there isn't a lot of validity in these claims."
Interesting, where did you read that as I can't find those claims anywhere.
Only information I've seen is from the Norwegian Medical Agency and their Health Ministry. |
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They have started vaccinating the over 80’s - the average age of death. It’s not really surprising that some of these are going to die and would have died anyway with or without covid or the vaccine. |
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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago
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"Many news agencies reporting 23 deaths of people in their 80's after receiving the vaccine.
13 of which are reported as being related to side effects, the rest they are not able to rule out of being caused by the vaccine.
Looks like they will be issuing advice that the frail should not be vaccinated.
I've not seen reports of this happening anywhere else so could well just be an unfortunate coincidence, but a tad worry never the less.
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Or the fact that they were in their 80’s with all of the potential problems that brings  |
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By *andKBCouple
over a year ago
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"Many news agencies reporting 23 deaths of people in their 80's after receiving the vaccine.
13 of which are reported as being related to side effects, the rest they are not able to rule out of being caused by the vaccine.
Looks like they will be issuing advice that the frail should not be vaccinated.
I've not seen reports of this happening anywhere else so could well just be an unfortunate coincidence, but a tad worry never the less.
Or the fact that they were in their 80’s with all of the potential problems that brings "
Maybe they had allergies they didn't disclose too!! |
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over a year ago
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There are plenty of articles on it, just Google and hit the news filter.
Any deaths are sad ofc but this article from the bmj alleviates concern somewhat:
https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n149
Essentially it seems that common and regular side effects of all vaccines can have serious consequences in frail elderly who suffer from other issues as well. They aren't able to shake them off as well as the less frail.
Definitely a cause for investigation but my faith in the vaccine isn't rocked. |
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"They have started vaccinating the over 80’s - the average age of death. It’s not really surprising that some of these are going to die and would have died anyway with or without covid or the vaccine. "
That's interesting, as the average age of death for Covid in in the 80's |
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By *andKBCouple
over a year ago
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C has had a vaccine reaction as a child. They are rare but happen. He was a baby. If I had a vaccine reaction im a health adult I should fight it off. However, the older you are the less likely that is |
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"From my brief scan of a couple of news items about this it is being reported that some doctors in Norway have flagged that it is possible it is related to the vaccine.
This is being disputed by other health professionals in the country saying that these doctors have an anti-vaccine agenda.
So at the moment it's looking like there isn't a lot of validity in these claims.
Interesting, where did you read that as I can't find those claims anywhere.
Only information I've seen is from the Norwegian Medical Agency and their Health Ministry."
When you Google it it does mainly come up with obscure news agencies, But if you scroll down there are some more recognisable ones.
It doesn't seem to be widely reported in the mainstream media. |
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"Many news agencies reporting 23 deaths of people in their 80's after receiving the vaccine.
13 of which are reported as being related to side effects, the rest they are not able to rule out of being caused by the vaccine.
Looks like they will be issuing advice that the frail should not be vaccinated.
I've not seen reports of this happening anywhere else so could well just be an unfortunate coincidence, but a tad worry never the less.
Or the fact that they were in their 80’s with all of the potential problems that brings
Maybe they had allergies they didn't disclose too!!"
I went for my vaccine yesterday and was asked about allergies or reactions to previous vaccinations. People have responsibility to be honest |
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When you Google it it does mainly come up with obscure news agencies, But if you scroll down there are some more recognisable ones.
It doesn't seem to be widely reported in the mainstream media."
Interesting. My search brought up nearly every major British newspaper and some big international ones on the first page. |
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When you Google it it does mainly come up with obscure news agencies, But if you scroll down there are some more recognisable ones.
It doesn't seem to be widely reported in the mainstream media.
Interesting. My search brought up nearly every major British newspaper and some big international ones on the first page."
OK then obviously you know something more than I do.
If you have a look you will see as others have also pointed out this seems to be not what is being reported. |
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OK then obviously you know something more than I do.
If you have a look you will see as others have also pointed out this seems to be not what is being reported."
I'm not sure how you can claim that that is not what is being reported. Seems to be now on almost every single news website |
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OK then obviously you know something more than I do.
If you have a look you will see as others have also pointed out this seems to be not what is being reported.
I'm not sure how you can claim that that is not what is being reported. Seems to be now on almost every single news website"
OK rather than arguing with me, I had a very valid point why don't you address some of the other points on this post. |
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The following was quoted in one of the news articles
We are not alarmed or worried about this, because these are very rare occurrences and they occurred in very frail patients with very serious disease.... |
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OK then obviously you know something more than I do.
If you have a look you will see as others have also pointed out this seems to be not what is being reported.
I'm not sure how you can claim that that is not what is being reported. Seems to be now on almost every single news website
OK rather than arguing with me, I had a very valid point why don't you address some of the other points on this post."
I'll address the your valid points.
The information has come directly from Norway's health ministry so I personally don't care who wants to dispute it. It has validity purely because of the source.
With regards to 'obscure news outlets', my search brought up 1st the BMJ, Bloomberg & The Sun. So rather than get shitty because someone 'knew more than you' why can't you accept that they said their search brought up different results, not that they said they knew more than you. |
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"I would worry about this information if it wasn't for the fact like you said this isn't happening anywhere else.
I agree. Chances are ita fake story. "
if it's fake why have Pfizer released a comment saying they expected this kind of result. The frail over 80s were not a large part of their trials.this vaccine uses a new, process in dealing with a virus
They have advised all countries to now carefully monitor this situation. They claim that its still perfectly safe for most people. France has said they have 5 people with severe side effects. It may well be rubbish and I guess the experts on here will soon boot it into touch
Only time will tell that's, all I'm saying |
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OK then obviously you know something more than I do.
If you have a look you will see as others have also pointed out this seems to be not what is being reported.
I'm not sure how you can claim that that is not what is being reported. Seems to be now on almost every single news website
OK rather than arguing with me, I had a very valid point why don't you address some of the other points on this post.
I'll address the your valid points.
The information has come directly from Norway's health ministry so I personally don't care who wants to dispute it. It has validity purely because of the source.
With regards to 'obscure news outlets', my search brought up 1st the BMJ, Bloomberg & The Sun. So rather than get shitty because someone 'knew more than you' why can't you accept that they said their search brought up different results, not that they said they knew more than you."
I didn't get shitty with anybody.
I simply put what will happen the search for me so rather than having a go at me maybe you could address some of the other points thank you. |
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OK rather than arguing with me, I had a very valid point why don't you address some of the other points on this post."
The only other points seem to be people claiming they probably didn't declare allergies.
I did not address that as it's pure speculation.
What other points are you refering to?
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"Many news agencies reporting 23 deaths of people in their 80's after receiving the vaccine.
13 of which are reported as being related to side effects, the rest they are not able to rule out of being caused by the vaccine.
Looks like they will be issuing advice that the frail should not be vaccinated.
I've not seen reports of this happening anywhere else so could well just be an unfortunate coincidence, but a tad worry never the less.
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I think it would be a worry if we were seeing a similar issue in the countries that also have their vaccination in programmes running..
We've done over 3 million and thus far whilst there were some allergic reactions there has been nothing similar to to what is being claimed..
As everyone is aware people in their 80's are at that stage in their lives without the further impact of covid..
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"The following was quoted in one of the news articles
We are not alarmed or worried about this, because these are very rare occurrences and they occurred in very frail patients with very serious disease.... "
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"Many news agencies reporting 23 deaths of people in their 80's after receiving the vaccine.
13 of which are reported as being related to side effects, the rest they are not able to rule out of being caused by the vaccine.
Looks like they will be issuing advice that the frail should not be vaccinated.
I've not seen reports of this happening anywhere else so could well just be an unfortunate coincidence, but a tad worry never the less.
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You've chosen not to put that the Norwegian medical authorities have said no such thing that they will be issuing advice about the frail and elderly not receiving the vaccine..
Looking at the available information via the BMJ who quote directly the same authorities there are on average 400 deaths per week in care homes and they have been vaccinating for two weeks so that would be 800..
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"it's not fake, it was reported in the BMJ yesterday, "
Nope..
It's not news that all medication has a list of possible reactions to them and what to do..
Nor should it be news that very elderly people with frailty pass on.. |
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Vaccines are made in batches and each has to be quality checked, so maybe there was something slightly off in one batch. We’ve vaccinated nearly 3 million people with only a couple of side effects reported, if was a real issue you’d definitely be hearing more about it.
That’s my layman’s view of it and sad to see people passing, if found to be, from something that was meant to help them |
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"Vaccines are made in batches and each has to be quality checked, so maybe there was something slightly off in one batch. We’ve vaccinated nearly 3 million people with only a couple of side effects reported, if was a real issue you’d definitely be hearing more about it.
That’s my layman’s view of it and sad to see people passing, if found to be, from something that was meant to help them "
That's a good point actually I suppose you sometimes do you get bad batches.
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It's an open book on what may be correlational data. People who are very ill and weak - most in their 80s aren't - may be affected by many things, with winter times never being great and deserve appropriate levels of monitoring and care. That age group and illness profile of course is subject to worse outcomes than most others are, at all times.
The good news is that these vaccines are subject to enhanced levels of monitoring this year, to observe any adverse effects.
These deaths may be anomalies, or the result of other factors, away from scope of the frailty and ill health of those individuals. At least it's now been picked up and should ensure that anything of concern is addressed |
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"It's an open book on what may be correlational data. People who are very ill and weak - most in their 80s aren't - may be affected by many things, with winter times never being great and deserve appropriate levels of monitoring and care. That age group and illness profile of course is subject to worse outcomes than most others are, at all times.
The good news is that these vaccines are subject to enhanced levels of monitoring this year, to observe any adverse effects.
These deaths may be anomalies, or the result of other factors, away from scope of the frailty and ill health of those individuals. At least it's now been picked up and should ensure that anything of concern is addressed "
Good points and well written. Thank you for your input. |
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Two people died, both very elderly and in Care Homes.
It is right I guess that an investigation should take place, but people die in Care Homes everyday.
In most cases they are towards end of life, weak and vulnerable.
Given millions of people have been vaccinated, I do not think that this is anything to worry about. |
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Nor should it be news that very elderly people with frailty pass on..
Really, so all the frail and elderly dying of covid, I guess that shouldn't be news either?"
I did not say that clearly,in any case they as have all age groups been widely reported on..
But it simply is not news here or in many other countries I would guess that pre covid the number of elderly and frail who die no..
That's not to diminish the loss..
Within the numbers of those in that age group who have died in care homes, 800 being the figure 23 have died after having the vaccine and whilst that's still under investigation out of the other 777 there will have been more who will have died of other complications from illnesses etc..
Note you have not mentioned why you chose to say something not reported about vaccine withdrawal?
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Look at the POTENTIAL side effects of widely used pain killers like paracetamol or Ibuprofen.
All medical interventions have a risk. Side effects happen sadly. Especially in elderly or frail people.
People need to be honest and say they have allergies as that will could help which vaccine they have. Himself has an allergy to the micropore tape used in hospital. He never mentions this and has wound degradation every time he has had an operation. Luckily not often.
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Note you have not mentioned why you chose to say something not reported about vaccine withdrawal?
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What are you on about? I only mentioned they they are giving advice that the vaccine should not be given to the frail and elderly. That was a quote from the directors of the Norwegian medical agency
"It is quite clear that these vaccines have very little risk, with a small exception for the frailest patients.
"Doctors must now carefully consider who should be vaccinated"
That is the advice they are giving |
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"Load of shite but no doubt the usual idiots will latch onto it."
Why are you calling it a load of shite?
Norway seem to have found a clear link between the deaths of 13 of the 23 to the vaccine.
It's obviously not a wide scale problem, but when their medical agency has taken seriously enough to adjust medical adive for doctors their. |
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Note you have not mentioned why you chose to say something not reported about vaccine withdrawal?
What are you on about? I only mentioned they they are giving advice that the vaccine should not be given to the frail and elderly. That was a quote from the directors of the Norwegian medical agency
"It is quite clear that these vaccines have very little risk, with a small exception for the frailest patients.
"Doctors must now carefully consider who should be vaccinated"
That is the advice they are giving"
Your op is different from what your now claiming..
That's what I'm curious about, the Norwegians have not said what you in initially claimed about withdrawal of the vaccination for those who are elderly and frail..
They will carry out further appraisal of those people.. |
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"Himself has an allergy to the micropore tape used in hospital. He never mentions this and has wound degradation every time he has had an operation.
Why doesn't he mention it ?"
He is a bloody idiot. And I’m an ICU nurse so you would think he would have some idea |
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Your op is different from what your now claiming..
That's what I'm curious about, the Norwegians have not said what you in initially claimed about withdrawal of the vaccination for those who are elderly and frail..
They will carry out further appraisal of those people.."
It's essentially the same thing just a case of semantics.
I probably should have used the quote in the original post |
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Your op is different from what your now claiming..
That's what I'm curious about, the Norwegians have not said what you in initially claimed about withdrawal of the vaccination for those who are elderly and frail..
They will carry out further appraisal of those people..
It's essentially the same thing just a case of semantics.
I probably should have used the quote in the original post"
Fair point but in the context of where we are with some refusing to have a vaccine it's something others may pick up on and feel similar..
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Fair point but in the context of where we are with some refusing to have a vaccine it's something others may pick up on and feel similar..
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I am anti lockdown but certainly not anti-vax. I do however have concerns about the speed this vaccine was brought to market so thought this was an interesting article.
Over all it seems to be well tolerated. However if I had a very elderly and frail relative O would have convcerns.
10 more deaths reported in Germany now |
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"I would worry about this information if it wasn't for the fact like you said this isn't happening anywhere else.
I agree. Chances are ita fake story. if it's fake why have Pfizer released a comment saying they expected this kind of result. The frail over 80s were not a large part of their trials.this vaccine uses a new, process in dealing with a virus
They have advised all countries to now carefully monitor this situation. They claim that its still perfectly safe for most people. France has said they have 5 people with severe side effects. It may well be rubbish and I guess the experts on here will soon boot it into touch
Only time will tell that's, all I'm saying "
We have been vaccinating for a month now and no issues with our over 80s, or all the hundreds of younger Frontline folk we have given it to...so far |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
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"I would worry about this information if it wasn't for the fact like you said this isn't happening anywhere else.
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The Robert Erlich Institute is investigating 10 post-vaccine deaths in Germany (Business Standard, 15th Jan). |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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K's mum is 83 had a serious heart episode just before xmas and had to be brought back from death she is riddled with cancer and has been given a few weeks to live, had her 1st jab two weeks ago, sore arm but fine otherwise. K is having hers this morning, I'm waiting in RUH carpark for her right now |
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"I would worry about this information if it wasn't for the fact like you said this isn't happening anywhere else.
I agree. Chances are ita fake story. if it's fake why have Pfizer released a comment saying they expected this kind of result. The frail over 80s were not a large part of their trials.this vaccine uses a new, process in dealing with a virus
They have advised all countries to now carefully monitor this situation. They claim that its still perfectly safe for most people. France has said they have 5 people with severe side effects. It may well be rubbish and I guess the experts on here will soon boot it into touch
Only time will tell that's, all I'm saying
We have been vaccinating for a month now and no issues with our over 80s, or all the hundreds of younger Frontline folk we have given it to...so far"
Maybe we have just been lucky so far in the UK. It is only a matter of time before people start dying from the vaccine. Maybe then it will be accepted that people who do not want it, can make that decision without being chastised. |
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"I would worry about this information if it wasn't for the fact like you said this isn't happening anywhere else.
I agree. Chances are ita fake story. if it's fake why have Pfizer released a comment saying they expected this kind of result. The frail over 80s were not a large part of their trials.this vaccine uses a new, process in dealing with a virus
They have advised all countries to now carefully monitor this situation. They claim that its still perfectly safe for most people. France has said they have 5 people with severe side effects. It may well be rubbish and I guess the experts on here will soon boot it into touch
Only time will tell that's, all I'm saying
We have been vaccinating for a month now and no issues with our over 80s, or all the hundreds of younger Frontline folk we have given it to...so far
Maybe we have just been lucky so far in the UK. It is only a matter of time before people start dying from the vaccine. Maybe then it will be accepted that people who do not want it, can make that decision without being chastised. "
Like any vaccination, it is a personal choice, will never be mandatory, you have to risk assess yourself and make your decision, just know that all of us fortunate enough to have been offered a vaccine have happily rolled up our sleeves  |
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You have to smile. The very people who claimed that it's only the over 80s who are dying and they didn't have long to live are now saying don't give the vaccine to the over 80s it's killing them. |
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It was inevitable there were going to be deaths from an experimental rushed out in a few months vaccine.
Thank goodness the big pharma companies are safe from being sued for it  |
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"It was inevitable there were going to be deaths from an experimental rushed out in a few months vaccine.
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It wasn't rushed out in a few months. It was based on the flu vaccine which has been licensed and widely used for about 30 years |
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 someone gets Covid and dies... oh it's not Covid just because they died within X number of days of a positive test... they are fudging the numbers.
Someone dies within x number of days of a vaccine... must be the vaccine. |
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"It was inevitable there were going to be deaths from an experimental rushed out in a few months vaccine.
It wasn't rushed out in a few months. It was based on the flu vaccine which has been licensed and widely used for about 30 years"
Why base it on flu jab, when we are continually told it is different from flu. The vaccine should have been developed and checked more. |
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"It was inevitable there were going to be deaths from an experimental rushed out in a few months vaccine.
It wasn't rushed out in a few months. It was based on the flu vaccine which has been licensed and widely used for about 30 years
Why base it on flu jab, when we are continually told it is different from flu. The vaccine should have been developed and checked more. "
I don’t know about the Pfizer vaccine but I believe the Oxford vaccine is based on the vaccine for Ebola and Mers. |
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"It was inevitable there were going to be deaths from an experimental rushed out in a few months vaccine.
It wasn't rushed out in a few months. It was based on the flu vaccine which has been licensed and widely used for about 30 years
Why base it on flu jab, when we are continually told it is different from flu. The vaccine should have been developed and checked more.
I don’t know about the Pfizer vaccine but I believe the Oxford vaccine is based on the vaccine for Ebola and Mers."
It is indeed, has been modified for the sars-covid 19 |
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" You have to smile. The very people who claimed that it's only the over 80s who are dying and they didn't have long to live are now saying don't give the vaccine to the over 80s it's killing them."
This.. |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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"It was inevitable there were going to be deaths from an experimental rushed out in a few months vaccine.
It wasn't rushed out in a few months. It was based on the flu vaccine which has been licensed and widely used for about 30 years"
No it wasnt flu is not a corna virus. Flu is completely different |
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" You have to smile. The very people who claimed that it's only the over 80s who are dying and they didn't have long to live are now saying don't give the vaccine to the over 80s it's killing them."
Short memories. |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
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" someone gets Covid and dies... oh it's not Covid just because they died within X number of days of a positive test... they are fudging the numbers.
Someone dies within x number of days of a vaccine... must be the vaccine. "
Alternatively;
Someone dies within 28 dies of a positive Covid test, it must be Covid.
Someone who dies within 28 days of having the vaccine, nothing to do with the vaccine. |
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No reports are correct regarding the deaths, 23 in Norway and 10 in Germany, and the German government have requested an investigation as coroners reports attributed them with side effects to the vaccinations, Mike |
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"It was inevitable there were going to be deaths from an experimental rushed out in a few months vaccine.
It wasn't rushed out in a few months. It was based on the flu vaccine which has been licensed and widely used for about 30 years
Why base it on flu jab, when we are continually told it is different from flu. The vaccine should have been developed and checked more.
I don’t know about the Pfizer vaccine but I believe the Oxford vaccine is based on the vaccine for Ebola and Mers.
It is indeed, has been modified for the sars-covid 19"
Of a fashion. The Oxford-AZ vaccine uses an adenovirus which is pathogenic to chimps and they have introduced into the genetic material of the adenovirus the gene sequence for the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein. The adenovirus is the "vehicle" to get the spike protein gene into cells, because the adenovirus can enter human cells but does not cause disease.
The Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine is completely different. It is a section of mRNA encoding the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein, which is encased in a "bubble" of fats (lipids). Human cell membranes are also made from lipids (plus other things) and so the fatty bubble can fuse with human cell membranes, releasing the mRNA inside the cells.
So, both vaccines contain genetic sequences for the spike protein of SARS-CoV-2 but deliver it into cells in very different ways. |
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To add, influenza vaccines are not usually designed in either of these ways. Most influenza vaccines are whole, attenuated (inactivated) influenza virus. Neither of the SARS-CoV-2 vaccines include the whole SARS-CoV-2 virus, only small genetic sequences. |
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By *BWarksCouple
over a year ago
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"Many news agencies reporting 23 deaths of people in their 80's after receiving the vaccine.
13 of which are reported as being related to side effects, the rest they are not able to rule out of being caused by the vaccine.
Looks like they will be issuing advice that the frail should not be vaccinated.
I've not seen reports of this happening anywhere else so could well just be an unfortunate coincidence, but a tad worry never the less.
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Really ... why are we surprised that older people are more likely to die of anything...... no one’s living for ever .
Which is why as soon as the 15 million are vaccinated all restrictions should be lifted and we accept Covid like any other illness/flu etc and we start living again!
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I live and work in Norway, and have been following this "issue" relatively closely. My summary is as follows:
Public Health Norway has investigated and confirmed 13 deaths directly related to the first dose of the vaccine. There have been 7 serious reactions, and 9 less serious, but the one thing connecting all of these cases is the age and overall frailty of the patients. They have now gone over to a patient by patient investigation rather than administering the vaccine without asking any further questions in advance.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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So we're are all these epidemiologist to give a very common sense answer as into why this could be happening?
So this is my understanding (and I'm happy to be corrected) the vaccine teaches the body to grow the spike protien. The body then develops the neccesary T-cells and antibodies. So then if you do contract covid 19 it already has the defences to fight it.
In between the time the Tcells and antibodies are developed the spike protien (s)?, are unlocking the doors and windows to you're immune system. So whilst it may not be covid, it leaves the body open to other infections. That is my understanding and why you should be advised to isolate for a couple of weeks after the vaccine.
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Assuming this information is correct, and it’s questionable that it is, that’s 13 out of how many million? A very very very small percentage of people die from the flu vaccine. These people would have potentially died anyway.
It amazes me that some people dispute the death numbers from Covid as the cause could have been something else, yet when something like this is posted they think it must be true. |
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