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The government say that they are vaccinating people in there 80s first which is good but people are turning 80 every day so if they keep doing that when will thay move on to the next group of people or is there just a set timetable any way. |
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"If i was 80 i would not take it. I would rather give mine to somebody younger. At 80 my life is nearly over anyway."
But if you were over 80 and didn't have the vaccine and caught it, your admittance to hospital would be an extra burden on NHS resources |
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"If i was 80 i would not take it. I would rather give mine to somebody younger. At 80 my life is nearly over anyway.
But if you were over 80 and didn't have the vaccine and caught it, your admittance to hospital would be an extra burden on NHS resources "
If i was old and frail and had refused the vaccine then caught covid then i would not go to hospital. I would probably just swallow my pills. Nobody lives forever and i would rather save the young. |
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"If i was 80 i would not take it. I would rather give mine to somebody younger. At 80 my life is nearly over anyway."
Take it! Us younger ones will wait. Id rather see the most vulnerable protected first. I'm 24 and i have age on my side which I believe would help me recover. (I'm not a scientist lol) but I'd rather wait for my turn once the most vulnerable are jabbed x |
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over a year ago
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I work within the NHS and can honestly say some of the older age group patients are refusing to take part in there invitation of getting there jab,saying they had lived a good life and to give there jab to someone else |
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"I work within the NHS and can honestly say some of the older age group patients are refusing to take part in there invitation of getting there jab,saying they had lived a good life and to give there jab to someone else"
Good for them and i feel the same. Covid is killing everyone and anyone at the moment. |
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"If i was 80 i would not take it. I would rather give mine to somebody younger. At 80 my life is nearly over anyway."
The sentiment is nice, but the reality is different. No one wants to go out suffering and fighting for breath.
My grandfather life ended at 82 when he got pneumonia, a similar end I would not wish upon anyone. |
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I am friends with a man of 82. He cycles, works on his allotment, is a guide at a stately home, does three adult education classes, writes a newsletter for a charity, plays in a petanque team. We go on holidays together. For 2022 we have booked Myanmar. He had his vaccine a couple of days ago. I don't consider him selfish for taking it. |
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"I am friends with a man of 82. He cycles, works on his allotment, is a guide at a stately home, does three adult education classes, writes a newsletter for a charity, plays in a petanque team. We go on holidays together. For 2022 we have booked Myanmar. He had his vaccine a couple of days ago. I don't consider him selfish for taking it. "
And my mum is 81 and as fit as a fiddle although not yet been offered a vaccine but i will be glad when she gets it. I would never say anyone is selfish for taking it but if i was old and frail i would not get it. |
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"I am friends with a man of 82. He cycles, works on his allotment, is a guide at a stately home, does three adult education classes, writes a newsletter for a charity, plays in a petanque team. We go on holidays together. For 2022 we have booked Myanmar. He had his vaccine a couple of days ago. I don't consider him selfish for taking it. "
Yes but does he fuck you hard doggy style with a butt plug up his arse ? ........asking for a friend  |
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"Under 80's are receiving their jabs now."
Source? Exciting news as my Dad is 79 and due to health complications has been in strict lockdown since April, this will cheer him up  |
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"Under 80's are receiving their jabs now.
Source? Exciting news as my Dad is 79 and due to health complications has been in strict lockdown since April, this will cheer him up "
My mum's partner had it a few days ago. |
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"Under 80's are receiving their jabs now.
Source? Exciting news as my Dad is 79 and due to health complications has been in strict lockdown since April, this will cheer him up
My mum's partner had it a few days ago. "
He is 76 and no major underlying health issues. |
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"If i was 80 i would not take it. I would rather give mine to somebody younger. At 80 my life is nearly over anyway.
But if you were over 80 and didn't have the vaccine and caught it, your admittance to hospital would be an extra burden on NHS resources
If i was old and frail and had refused the vaccine then caught covid then i would not go to hospital. I would probably just swallow my pills. Nobody lives forever and i would rather save the young."
Not all over, 80's are frail.
You, by all means refuse the vaccine but these 'old and frail' people still have a life and may have children, grand children and even great grand children and they have the right to see and be close to them again. They have every right to have the vaccine at the head of the queue.
Personally, you sound like the older people and the more vulnerable should give up their rights to the injection and let younger people have it instead. There are over 3 million over 80's in this country and some most brought up under extremely had war conditions, some even fought in the war, yet you're advocating self euthanasia.
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"If i was 80 i would not take it. I would rather give mine to somebody younger. At 80 my life is nearly over anyway.
But if you were over 80 and didn't have the vaccine and caught it, your admittance to hospital would be an extra burden on NHS resources
If i was old and frail and had refused the vaccine then caught covid then i would not go to hospital. I would probably just swallow my pills. Nobody lives forever and i would rather save the young.
Not all over, 80's are frail.
You, by all means refuse the vaccine but these 'old and frail' people still have a life and may have children, grand children and even great grand children and they have the right to see and be close to them again. They have every right to have the vaccine at the head of the queue.
Personally, you sound like the older people and the more vulnerable should give up their rights to the injection and let younger people have it instead. There are over 3 million over 80's in this country and some most brought up under extremely had war conditions, some even fought in the war, yet you're advocating self euthanasia.
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Not at all. I was only stating what i would do. |
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"If i was 80 i would not take it. I would rather give mine to somebody younger. At 80 my life is nearly over anyway.
But if you were over 80 and didn't have the vaccine and caught it, your admittance to hospital would be an extra burden on NHS resources
If i was old and frail and had refused the vaccine then caught covid then i would not go to hospital. I would probably just swallow my pills. Nobody lives forever and i would rather save the young.
Not all over, 80's are frail.
You, by all means refuse the vaccine but these 'old and frail' people still have a life and may have children, grand children and even great grand children and they have the right to see and be close to them again. They have every right to have the vaccine at the head of the queue.
Personally, you sound like the older people and the more vulnerable should give up their rights to the injection and let younger people have it instead. There are over 3 million over 80's in this country and some most brought up under extremely had war conditions, some even fought in the war, yet you're advocating self euthanasia.
Not at all. I was only stating what i would do."
And you wouldn't suggest it to anyone else? |
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"I work within the NHS and can honestly say some of the older age group patients are refusing to take part in there invitation of getting there jab,saying they had lived a good life and to give there jab to someone else
Good for them and i feel the same. Covid is killing everyone and anyone at the moment."
That’s not true |
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"I work within the NHS and can honestly say some of the older age group patients are refusing to take part in there invitation of getting there jab,saying they had lived a good life and to give there jab to someone else
Good for them and i feel the same. Covid is killing everyone and anyone at the moment. That’s not true "
No i know it is not but it is wrong to presume that you are safe because you are young and healthy. |
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By *AYENCouple
over a year ago
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"If i was 80 i would not take it. I would rather give mine to somebody younger. At 80 my life is nearly over anyway.
But if you were over 80 and didn't have the vaccine and caught it, your admittance to hospital would be an extra burden on NHS resources
If i was old and frail and had refused the vaccine then caught covid then i would not go to hospital. I would probably just swallow my pills. Nobody lives forever and i would rather save the young.
Not all over, 80's are frail.
You, by all means refuse the vaccine but these 'old and frail' people still have a life and may have children, grand children and even great grand children and they have the right to see and be close to them again. They have every right to have the vaccine at the head of the queue.
Personally, you sound like the older people and the more vulnerable should give up their rights to the injection and let younger people have it instead. There are over 3 million over 80's in this country and some most brought up under extremely had war conditions, some even fought in the war, yet you're advocating self euthanasia.
Not at all. I was only stating what i would do.
And you wouldn't suggest it to anyone else? "
She's already stated she wasn't suggesting anyone else refuse the vaccine - why don't people read the written words accurately, rather than interpret them into something else, usually into something they can make into an argument. Grow up! |
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There is something about old age these days that troubles me and is the ultimate irony. Thanks to medical science we are able to artificially extend life beyond nature. The world life expectancy has grown too old causing massive over population and overcrowding and maybe the virus itself as well as climate change.
There seems to be a cult of life.. no matter what. Death used to be accepted, mortality embraced but as society has become more faithless perhaps we've become more scared of it. i really understood the lady saying she wouldn't have the vaccine if old and frail... struck a chord me with all those old people who are struggling with dementia while locked away
is the retaining of life really our ultimate goal or should it be about quality...
they shoot horses dont they?
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It's up to the individual to accept or refuse the vaccination in my opinion, whatever their reasons.
I do find it slightly odd that it's seen as virtuous for someone old to refuse it while there's a huge backlash against young people refusing it because they're worried about side effects. If it's being done to protect the population as a whole then its not selfish to take it whatever your age.
My parents can't wait to have it and I encourage that. My mother is recovering from pneumonia that hospitalised her. That was bad enough, covid would definitely kill her but very unpleasantly. She does talk about wanting to die because it's not worth treating her although she's glad enough when they give her oxygen and a nebuliser. I'm not sure people realise how it feels to have a very close relative speak in those terms, that's pretty selfish too. |
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"I work within the NHS and can honestly say some of the older age group patients are refusing to take part in there invitation of getting there jab,saying they had lived a good life and to give there jab to someone else
Good for them and i feel the same. Covid is killing everyone and anyone at the moment. That’s not true
No i know it is not but it is wrong to presume that you are safe because you are young and healthy. "
Why say it then ? The chances of dying from Covid as long as you have no underlying health issues are so low ,think it was 388 for the whole of the under 60 age group |
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By *andy 1Couple
over a year ago
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"If i was 80 i would not take it. I would rather give mine to somebody younger. At 80 my life is nearly over anyway.
But if you were over 80 and didn't have the vaccine and caught it, your admittance to hospital would be an extra burden on NHS resources
If i was old and frail and had refused the vaccine then caught covid then i would not go to hospital. I would probably just swallow my pills. Nobody lives forever and i would rather save the young.
Not all over, 80's are frail.
You, by all means refuse the vaccine but these 'old and frail' people still have a life and may have children, grand children and even great grand children and they have the right to see and be close to them again. They have every right to have the vaccine at the head of the queue.
Personally, you sound like the older people and the more vulnerable should give up their rights to the injection and let younger people have it instead. There are over 3 million over 80's in this country and some most brought up under extremely had war conditions, some even fought in the war, yet you're advocating self euthanasia.
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"If i was 80 i would not take it. I would rather give mine to somebody younger. At 80 my life is nearly over anyway.
But if you were over 80 and didn't have the vaccine and caught it, your admittance to hospital would be an extra burden on NHS resources
If i was old and frail and had refused the vaccine then caught covid then i would not go to hospital. I would probably just swallow my pills. Nobody lives forever and i would rather save the young.
Not all over, 80's are frail.
You, by all means refuse the vaccine but these 'old and frail' people still have a life and may have children, grand children and even great grand children and they have the right to see and be close to them again. They have every right to have the vaccine at the head of the queue.
Personally, you sound like the older people and the more vulnerable should give up their rights to the injection and let younger people have it instead. There are over 3 million over 80's in this country and some most brought up under extremely had war conditions, some even fought in the war, yet you're advocating self euthanasia.
Not at all. I was only stating what i would do.
And you wouldn't suggest it to anyone else?
She's already stated she wasn't suggesting anyone else refuse the vaccine - why don't people read the written words accurately, rather than interpret them into something else, usually into something they can make into an argument. Grow up!"
Thank you.xx
For the record i work with old people and love them all. I have been vaccinated and so have they and the day the nurse came in to give us the jabs we were overwhelmed with emotion as it has been a hellish 10months. |
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"There is something about old age these days that troubles me and is the ultimate irony. Thanks to medical science we are able to artificially extend life beyond nature. The world life expectancy has grown too old causing massive over population and overcrowding and maybe the virus itself as well as climate change.
There seems to be a cult of life.. no matter what. Death used to be accepted, mortality embraced but as society has become more faithless perhaps we've become more scared of it. i really understood the lady saying she wouldn't have the vaccine if old and frail... struck a chord me with all those old people who are struggling with dementia while locked away
is the retaining of life really our ultimate goal or should it be about quality...
they shoot horses dont they?
d"
Where would you draw the line, at what age does life become unnatural in your opinion? |
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"If i was 80 i would not take it. I would rather give mine to somebody younger. At 80 my life is nearly over anyway.
But if you were over 80 and didn't have the vaccine and caught it, your admittance to hospital would be an extra burden on NHS resources
If i was old and frail and had refused the vaccine then caught covid then i would not go to hospital. I would probably just swallow my pills. Nobody lives forever and i would rather save the young.
Not all over, 80's are frail.
You, by all means refuse the vaccine but these 'old and frail' people still have a life and may have children, grand children and even great grand children and they have the right to see and be close to them again. They have every right to have the vaccine at the head of the queue.
Personally, you sound like the older people and the more vulnerable should give up their rights to the injection and let younger people have it instead. There are over 3 million over 80's in this country and some most brought up under extremely had war conditions, some even fought in the war, yet you're advocating self euthanasia.
Not at all. I was only stating what i would do.
And you wouldn't suggest it to anyone else?
She's already stated she wasn't suggesting anyone else refuse the vaccine - why don't people read the written words accurately, rather than interpret them into something else, usually into something they can make into an argument. Grow up!"
Hahaha, it's you that needs to be serious. I asked a genuine question abd there's absolutely no need for you to make an argument out of it. Fan the flames if you feel it necessary as you have.
I asked a question and got an acceptable reply and just put an addendum. Do you get a thrill out of putting that on because you've nothing else better to say.
Do not incite arguments by silly childish remarks |
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"I work within the NHS and can honestly say some of the older age group patients are refusing to take part in there invitation of getting there jab,saying they had lived a good life and to give there jab to someone else
Good for them and i feel the same. Covid is killing everyone and anyone at the moment. That’s not true
No i know it is not but it is wrong to presume that you are safe because you are young and healthy. Why say it then ? The chances of dying from Covid as long as you have no underlying health issues are so low ,think it was 388 for the whole of the under 60 age group "
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/12/family-of-25-year-old-covid-victim-plead-with-people-to-follow-rules
I'm sure her parents will be over the moon to hear that. |
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By *andy 1Couple
over a year ago
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I am 69 this year they used to say life begins at 40 but r best years have bean the last 4 or 5 we don't feel old but we r realy enjoying life its what we worked for and if I was 101 I would still have the jab and I do feel sorry for all the young ones that carn get on with ther lives and god bless all them that have had ther lives cut shoert |
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"I work within the NHS and can honestly say some of the older age group patients are refusing to take part in there invitation of getting there jab,saying they had lived a good life and to give there jab to someone else
Good for them and i feel the same. Covid is killing everyone and anyone at the moment. That’s not true
No i know it is not but it is wrong to presume that you are safe because you are young and healthy. Why say it then ? The chances of dying from Covid as long as you have no underlying health issues are so low ,think it was 388 for the whole of the under 60 age group
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/12/family-of-25-year-old-covid-victim-plead-with-people-to-follow-rules
I'm sure her parents will be over the moon to hear that."
One death of any disease is not good , but put in context as you well know that is a low figure compared with the many many things you can die of , believe it or not you can die and there are many things you can die off |
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By *usie pTV/TS
over a year ago
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I suspect very few 80 year olds are on any kind of death wish, have probably worked a damn site harder than most of us work nowadays, have paid their contributions in full and feel fully entitled to it, we have let them down badly enough already. I do think all health care workers and carers should be first in line but hopefully most have been done by now. Have heard reports of vaccine having to be thrown away cos not enough patients available to jab, that's probably down to the administrators spending too much time browsing fab. |
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"If i was 80 i would not take it. I would rather give mine to somebody younger. At 80 my life is nearly over anyway."
But isn't it the case that the longer people are dying , so mostly the over 80's , the longer the current state of affair ( restrictions, lock down ) will continue ...
So take the jab people, whatever your age as soon as you're offered  |
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"Please I only asked this question because I just wanted to know if the government had a cut of point that's all not for people's insults or for arguments. "
There is no cut off point. Prince Philip got one age 99 and also a lady of 102. |
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By *amissCouple
over a year ago
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"Please I only asked this question because I just wanted to know if the government had a cut of point that's all not for people's insults or for arguments. "
No there isn't a cut off point. Each area will vary as to what ages are being vaccinated, some areas will have more over 80's , so it will take longer to get to the under 80's. Nothing wrong with your post, OP |
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"If i was 80 i would not take it. I would rather give mine to somebody younger. At 80 my life is nearly over anyway."
Tell that my partner's 89 year old mother who is very active and fit. She still lives a full life so I really don't think it is appropriate for people to decide whether somebody who is over 80 Life should be valued and actually you are totally missing the point because if we don't vaccinate those that are seriously at risk of getting very sick we will be in lockdown for a lot longer. |
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Just had a private message of someone say I'm am stupid for putting this on here.  "
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"If i was 80 i would not take it. I would rather give mine to somebody younger. At 80 my life is nearly over anyway.
Tell that my partner's 89 year old mother who is very active and fit. She still lives a full life so I really don't think it is appropriate for people to decide whether somebody who is over 80 Life should be valued and actually you are totally missing the point because if we don't vaccinate those that are seriously at risk of getting very sick we will be in lockdown for a lot longer."
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"If i was 80 i would not take it. I would rather give mine to somebody younger. At 80 my life is nearly over anyway.
But if you were over 80 and didn't have the vaccine and caught it, your admittance to hospital would be an extra burden on NHS resources
If i was old and frail and had refused the vaccine then caught covid then i would not go to hospital. I would probably just swallow my pills. Nobody lives forever and i would rather save the young."
I have to say I am shocked at your attitude on this because you work in a care home.
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"If i was 80 i would not take it. I would rather give mine to somebody younger. At 80 my life is nearly over anyway.
Tell that my partner's 89 year old mother who is very active and fit. She still lives a full life so I really don't think it is appropriate for people to decide whether somebody who is over 80 Life should be valued and actually you are totally missing the point because if we don't vaccinate those that are seriously at risk of getting very sick we will be in lockdown for a lot longer."
I will if i see her but i doubt she will be interested in how i wish to lead my life. |
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"Today they are starting to invite over 70s for vaccination "
They've nowhere near finished with the over 80s yet! Found out yesterday that finally, my Grandad (89) has been invited for the first jab next Friday. He's in a very rural area and the vaccine still hasn't actually physically arrived in his area yet. The appointment is contingent on vaccine delivery (apparently he'll be phoned the day before to confirm). Now, how to get him there?!  |
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"If i was 80 i would not take it. I would rather give mine to somebody younger. At 80 my life is nearly over anyway.
But if you were over 80 and didn't have the vaccine and caught it, your admittance to hospital would be an extra burden on NHS resources
If i was old and frail and had refused the vaccine then caught covid then i would not go to hospital. I would probably just swallow my pills. Nobody lives forever and i would rather save the young.
I have to say I am shocked at your attitude on this because you work in a care home.
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perhaps its because she works in a care home and has first hand experience of what her quality of life is likely to be at that age... people get emotional when they try to apply the logic to people they know about but it might allow her to look at more objectively
plus she hasnt advocated for other people only said its what she would do for herself |
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By *amissCouple
over a year ago
chelmsford |
"My Dad is an active 91 and can't wait to have his jab and gradually get his life back "
Just got his appointment for next Saturday. As I'm his carer, I am going to see if they have a spare one for me! Because if I become ill or worse, there is no one to look after him, also I have an auto immune disease, so would be a little way up the list |
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"If i was 80 i would not take it. I would rather give mine to somebody younger. At 80 my life is nearly over anyway.
Yes me 2 even at my age now I think that x"
You feel your life is nearly over at 63? I'm sorry you feel that way |
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"My Dad is an active 91 and can't wait to have his jab and gradually get his life back
Just got his appointment for next Saturday. As I'm his carer, I am going to see if they have a spare one for me! Because if I become ill or worse, there is no one to look after him, also I have an auto immune disease, so would be a little way up the list "
I hope that is the case but if it isn't people who are registered carers for loved ones are covered in group 6 anyway so it shouldn't be too long. |
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"If i was 80 i would not take it. I would rather give mine to somebody younger. At 80 my life is nearly over anyway.
But if you were over 80 and didn't have the vaccine and caught it, your admittance to hospital would be an extra burden on NHS resources
If i was old and frail and had refused the vaccine then caught covid then i would not go to hospital. I would probably just swallow my pills. Nobody lives forever and i would rather save the young.
I have to say I am shocked at your attitude on this because you work in a care home.
perhaps its because she works in a care home and has first hand experience of what her quality of life is likely to be at that age... people get emotional when they try to apply the logic to people they know about but it might allow her to look at more objectively
plus she hasnt advocated for other people only said its what she would do for herself "
Quality of life in your 80s varies wildly. My Dad (81) couldn't have got the vaccine fast enough because he wants to go to Spain to see his girlfriend. Yes, he has early dementia but he's independent, lives alone and is usually very active. He's currently going stir crazy at home.
My maternal Grandfather (89) is also keen to have the jab so he can return to his hectic social life, that leaves most people in their 30s looking like hermits. He struggles with mobility due to spinal issues and has heart failure, but neither of those stop him from being in every social club you can think of. He's mentally as sharp as you or I.
Don't write off the over 80s. I have staff teaching for me in their mid 70s too, they've learned to do that online since March and are doing just fine. Age is just a number, as they say. |
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By *amissCouple
over a year ago
chelmsford |
"My mum had hers on Tuesday she’s 78.
They have now started the 3rd group which is the over 75 in some areas."
it will depend how many there are in each age group, I guess, but it's good they are working their way through the age groups |
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"If i was 80 i would not take it. I would rather give mine to somebody younger. At 80 my life is nearly over anyway.
But if you were over 80 and didn't have the vaccine and caught it, your admittance to hospital would be an extra burden on NHS resources
If i was old and frail and had refused the vaccine then caught covid then i would not go to hospital. I would probably just swallow my pills. Nobody lives forever and i would rather save the young.
I have to say I am shocked at your attitude on this because you work in a care home.
perhaps its because she works in a care home and has first hand experience of what her quality of life is likely to be at that age... people get emotional when they try to apply the logic to people they know about but it might allow her to look at more objectively
plus she hasnt advocated for other people only said its what she would do for herself
Quality of life in your 80s varies wildly. My Dad (81) couldn't have got the vaccine fast enough because he wants to go to Spain to see his girlfriend. Yes, he has early dementia but he's independent, lives alone and is usually very active. He's currently going stir crazy at home.
My maternal Grandfather (89) is also keen to have the jab so he can return to his hectic social life, that leaves most people in their 30s looking like hermits. He struggles with mobility due to spinal issues and has heart failure, but neither of those stop him from being in every social club you can think of. He's mentally as sharp as you or I.
Don't write off the over 80s. I have staff teaching for me in their mid 70s too, they've learned to do that online since March and are doing just fine. Age is just a number, as they say."
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"If i was 80 i would not take it. I would rather give mine to somebody younger. At 80 my life is nearly over anyway.
But if you were over 80 and didn't have the vaccine and caught it, your admittance to hospital would be an extra burden on NHS resources
If i was old and frail and had refused the vaccine then caught covid then i would not go to hospital. I would probably just swallow my pills. Nobody lives forever and i would rather save the young.
I have to say I am shocked at your attitude on this because you work in a care home.
perhaps its because she works in a care home and has first hand experience of what her quality of life is likely to be at that age... people get emotional when they try to apply the logic to people they know about but it might allow her to look at more objectively
plus she hasnt advocated for other people only said its what she would do for herself
Quality of life in your 80s varies wildly. My Dad (81) couldn't have got the vaccine fast enough because he wants to go to Spain to see his girlfriend. Yes, he has early dementia but he's independent, lives alone and is usually very active. He's currently going stir crazy at home.
My maternal Grandfather (89) is also keen to have the jab so he can return to his hectic social life, that leaves most people in their 30s looking like hermits. He struggles with mobility due to spinal issues and has heart failure, but neither of those stop him from being in every social club you can think of. He's mentally as sharp as you or I.
Don't write off the over 80s. I have staff teaching for me in their mid 70s too, they've learned to do that online since March and are doing just fine. Age is just a number, as they say."
shes not written off the over 80s all shes done is state what her preference for herself would be at that age |
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"My Dad is an active 91 and can't wait to have his jab and gradually get his life back
Just got his appointment for next Saturday. As I'm his carer, I am going to see if they have a spare one for me! Because if I become ill or worse, there is no one to look after him, also I have an auto immune disease, so would be a little way up the list
I hope that is the case but if it isn't people who are registered carers for loved ones are covered in group 6 anyway so it shouldn't be too long."
You're right Lorna , I wouldn't take someone else's place. I was surprised yesterday, had to take hubby to a small injuries unit yesterday, where they are doing the jabs,there were staff in there but no patients, I expected to see a queue! |
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"There is something about old age these days that troubles me and is the ultimate irony. Thanks to medical science we are able to artificially extend life beyond nature. The world life expectancy has grown too old causing massive over population and overcrowding and maybe the virus itself as well as climate change.
There seems to be a cult of life.. no matter what. Death used to be accepted, mortality embraced but as society has become more faithless perhaps we've become more scared of it. i really understood the lady saying she wouldn't have the vaccine if old and frail... struck a chord me with all those old people who are struggling with dementia while locked away
is the retaining of life really our ultimate goal or should it be about quality...
they shoot horses dont they?
d
Where would you draw the line, at what age does life become unnatural in your opinion? "
When u cant look after yourself anymore or have dementia I sure dont want to b around when I cant look after myself anymore! My wonderful ex mother in law was in a dementia care home for years! She didnt recognize anyone and mostly slept! She would never have wanted that! I worked in a care home as cook and when I went round to ask what they wanted for dinner I used to get stuff like arsenic as I dont want to live! One man Henry had all his faculties often said to me I'm ready to go now! Was all very sad! I've told mine do t u dare put me in a home x |
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"If i was 80 i would not take it. I would rather give mine to somebody younger. At 80 my life is nearly over anyway.
But if you were over 80 and didn't have the vaccine and caught it, your admittance to hospital would be an extra burden on NHS resources
If i was old and frail and had refused the vaccine then caught covid then i would not go to hospital. I would probably just swallow my pills. Nobody lives forever and i would rather save the young.
I have to say I am shocked at your attitude on this because you work in a care home.
perhaps its because she works in a care home and has first hand experience of what her quality of life is likely to be at that age... people get emotional when they try to apply the logic to people they know about but it might allow her to look at more objectively
plus she hasnt advocated for other people only said its what she would do for herself
Quality of life in your 80s varies wildly. My Dad (81) couldn't have got the vaccine fast enough because he wants to go to Spain to see his girlfriend. Yes, he has early dementia but he's independent, lives alone and is usually very active. He's currently going stir crazy at home.
My maternal Grandfather (89) is also keen to have the jab so he can return to his hectic social life, that leaves most people in their 30s looking like hermits. He struggles with mobility due to spinal issues and has heart failure, but neither of those stop him from being in every social club you can think of. He's mentally as sharp as you or I.
Don't write off the over 80s. I have staff teaching for me in their mid 70s too, they've learned to do that online since March and are doing just fine. Age is just a number, as they say.
shes not written off the over 80s all shes done is state what her preference for herself would be at that age "
My comment wasn't aimed directly at Bluebell, but rather intended to be a more general comment on "don't write off the over 80s".
Until last year, my Dad who still economically active, aged 80, aka had a paid job. It's tourism dependent so obviously it's not happened recently.
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"If i was 80 i would not take it. I would rather give mine to somebody younger. At 80 my life is nearly over anyway.
But if you were over 80 and didn't have the vaccine and caught it, your admittance to hospital would be an extra burden on NHS resources
If i was old and frail and had refused the vaccine then caught covid then i would not go to hospital. I would probably just swallow my pills. Nobody lives forever and i would rather save the young.
I have to say I am shocked at your attitude on this because you work in a care home.
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I can not believe you have just said that so will not even respond. I will just shake my head and ignore. |
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"If i was 80 i would not take it. I would rather give mine to somebody younger. At 80 my life is nearly over anyway.
But if you were over 80 and didn't have the vaccine and caught it, your admittance to hospital would be an extra burden on NHS resources
If i was old and frail and had refused the vaccine then caught covid then i would not go to hospital. I would probably just swallow my pills. Nobody lives forever and i would rather save the young.
I have to say I am shocked at your attitude on this because you work in a care home.
perhaps its because she works in a care home and has first hand experience of what her quality of life is likely to be at that age... people get emotional when they try to apply the logic to people they know about but it might allow her to look at more objectively
plus she hasnt advocated for other people only said its what she would do for herself "
Yes exactly this!! X |
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"If i was 80 i would not take it. I would rather give mine to somebody younger. At 80 my life is nearly over anyway.
Yes me 2 even at my age now I think that x
You feel your life is nearly over at 63? I'm sorry you feel that way "
Ha ha! No I really dont I'm enjoying my life at nearly 64! I shd have put that differently! If it was a case of let's say there not enough vacine and they said u can have it or someone younger I would say give it to the younger one! X |
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"There is something about old age these days that troubles me and is the ultimate irony. Thanks to medical science we are able to artificially extend life beyond nature. The world life expectancy has grown too old causing massive over population and overcrowding and maybe the virus itself as well as climate change.
There seems to be a cult of life.. no matter what. Death used to be accepted, mortality embraced but as society has become more faithless perhaps we've become more scared of it. i really understood the lady saying she wouldn't have the vaccine if old and frail... struck a chord me with all those old people who are struggling with dementia while locked away
is the retaining of life really our ultimate goal or should it be about quality...
they shoot horses dont they?
d
Where would you draw the line, at what age does life become unnatural in your opinion?
When u cant look after yourself anymore or have dementia I sure dont want to b around when I cant look after myself anymore! My wonderful ex mother in law was in a dementia care home for years! She didnt recognize anyone and mostly slept! She would never have wanted that! I worked in a care home as cook and when I went round to ask what they wanted for dinner I used to get stuff like arsenic as I dont want to live! One man Henry had all his faculties often said to me I'm ready to go now! Was all very sad! I've told mine do t u dare put me in a home x"
we are probably going a tangent that warrants another thread but i agree
my grandad used to be that social old man people refer to above until his dementia got so bad he was in a home, he then wasn’t recognisable, always frustrated angry upset and totally miserable it was clear for anyone to see , i think he contributed to speeding up his deterioration and ultimately his death by refusing to eat etc , he died just after christmas and the family are devastated but i think he would have been genuinely happy to go
we don’t force people to have abortions (which is why i wont even entertain the questions of where do you draw a line ... a line if when it is suitable should never be drawn) but we allow them the choice (her body autonomy her choice etc) , it is sad that at the other side of the life cycle the choice of going with dignity when you are ready is not there |
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"There is something about old age these days that troubles me and is the ultimate irony. Thanks to medical science we are able to artificially extend life beyond nature. The world life expectancy has grown too old causing massive over population and overcrowding and maybe the virus itself as well as climate change.
There seems to be a cult of life.. no matter what. Death used to be accepted, mortality embraced but as society has become more faithless perhaps we've become more scared of it. i really understood the lady saying she wouldn't have the vaccine if old and frail... struck a chord me with all those old people who are struggling with dementia while locked away
is the retaining of life really our ultimate goal or should it be about quality...
they shoot horses dont they?
d
Where would you draw the line, at what age does life become unnatural in your opinion?
When u cant look after yourself anymore or have dementia I sure dont want to b around when I cant look after myself anymore! My wonderful ex mother in law was in a dementia care home for years! She didnt recognize anyone and mostly slept! She would never have wanted that! I worked in a care home as cook and when I went round to ask what they wanted for dinner I used to get stuff like arsenic as I dont want to live! One man Henry had all his faculties often said to me I'm ready to go now! Was all very sad! I've told mine do t u dare put me in a home x
we are probably going a tangent that warrants another thread but i agree
my grandad used to be that social old man people refer to above until his dementia got so bad he was in a home, he then wasn’t recognisable, always frustrated angry upset and totally miserable it was clear for anyone to see , i think he contributed to speeding up his deterioration and ultimately his death by refusing to eat etc , he died just after christmas and the family are devastated but i think he would have been genuinely happy to go
we don’t force people to have abortions (which is why i wont even entertain the questions of where do you draw a line ... a line if when it is suitable should never be drawn) but we allow them the choice (her body autonomy her choice etc) , it is sad that at the other side of the life cycle the choice of going with dignity when you are ready is not there "
Sad for your loss! Yes my lovely mother inlaw died just b 4 last exmas! And although it was sad the biggest feeling was relief that she was realesed from her suffering! I can honestly say She was one of the loveliest people I have ever known x |
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"If i was 80 i would not take it. I would rather give mine to somebody younger. At 80 my life is nearly over anyway.
But if you were over 80 and didn't have the vaccine and caught it, your admittance to hospital would be an extra burden on NHS resources
If i was old and frail and had refused the vaccine then caught covid then i would not go to hospital. I would probably just swallow my pills. Nobody lives forever and i would rather save the young.
I have to say I am shocked at your attitude on this because you work in a care home.
I can not believe you have just said that so will not even respond. I will just shake my head and ignore."
Why it's a valid point and to have and ignored it though have you because you have responded.
Just very surprising that somebody that works in a care home feels that way. |
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Are they doing it wrong, shouldn't they be vaccinating the young instead of the old, the old arnt the ones spreading it, they are not comming out of care homes/houses, let's vaccinate the young ones and let them work, get the economy going again |
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"There is something about old age these days that troubles me and is the ultimate irony. Thanks to medical science we are able to artificially extend life beyond nature. The world life expectancy has grown too old causing massive over population and overcrowding and maybe the virus itself as well as climate change.
There seems to be a cult of life.. no matter what. Death used to be accepted, mortality embraced but as society has become more faithless perhaps we've become more scared of it. i really understood the lady saying she wouldn't have the vaccine if old and frail... struck a chord me with all those old people who are struggling with dementia while locked away
is the retaining of life really our ultimate goal or should it be about quality...
they shoot horses dont they?
d
Where would you draw the line, at what age does life become unnatural in your opinion? "
no line. every individual is different. just a statement of fact that without a lifetime of modern medicine many of the over 80s would not be alive. i guess its all down to diet and lifestyle my mum who is 83 has been vaccinated and is going insane with dementia and will soon not remember her grandkids names including my first daughter who died aged 2 weeks. The hardest choice I ever had to make was turn off her machine. Could have kept her artificially alive but she would have been very badly brain damaged and have suffered greatly from any resuscitation.
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"Are they doing it wrong, shouldn't they be vaccinating the young instead of the old, the old arnt the ones spreading it, they are not comming out of care homes/houses, let's vaccinate the young ones and let them work, get the economy going again"
That would work if vaccinating stopped the spread but we don't think it does.
Only prevents people from getting very sick and needing hospital so that is why those that are more likely to end up in hospital are it having it 1st. |
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"There is something about old age these days that troubles me and is the ultimate irony. Thanks to medical science we are able to artificially extend life beyond nature. The world life expectancy has grown too old causing massive over population and overcrowding and maybe the virus itself as well as climate change.
There seems to be a cult of life.. no matter what. Death used to be accepted, mortality embraced but as society has become more faithless perhaps we've become more scared of it. i really understood the lady saying she wouldn't have the vaccine if old and frail... struck a chord me with all those old people who are struggling with dementia while locked away
is the retaining of life really our ultimate goal or should it be about quality...
they shoot horses dont they?
d
Where would you draw the line, at what age does life become unnatural in your opinion?
no line. every individual is different. just a statement of fact that without a lifetime of modern medicine many of the over 80s would not be alive. i guess its all down to diet and lifestyle my mum who is 83 has been vaccinated and is going insane with dementia and will soon not remember her grandkids names including my first daughter who died aged 2 weeks. The hardest choice I ever had to make was turn off her machine. Could have kept her artificially alive but she would have been very badly brain damaged and have suffered greatly from any resuscitation.
d"
Without modern medicine, I'd be dead now too from an autoimmune disease that's incredibly quick and easy to diagnose and treat with a daily pill. I'm 35 now, diagnosed at 15...... I'd have been one of those very sad headstones you see in old graveyards, full of people who died as children. |
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"Under 80's are receiving their jabs now.
Source? Exciting news as my Dad is 79 and due to health complications has been in strict lockdown since April, this will cheer him up "
I can confirm that under 70s are getting jabs now because my aunt who is 71 had a text from her doctor on Thursday inviting her for one, she booked it straight away and had it that morning. |
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By *andKBCouple
over a year ago
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The reason the elderly and care staff NHS staff have been offered first is simple. They are at the highest risk!!
Care home outbreaks of anything cause devastation every year.
Here is cornwall there are around 5 massive covid carehome outbreaks at present |
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"I think younger working adults should have the vaccine first. Shoot me now !
What is your reason for that though?"
If, for example, teachers are off sick with Covid, the education of hundreds of pupils is affected |
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"I think younger working adults should have the vaccine first. Shoot me now !
What is your reason for that though?
If, for example, teachers are off sick with Covid, the education of hundreds of pupils is affected"
I think teachers should be the same priority as social care staff. |
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"I think younger working adults should have the vaccine first. Shoot me now !
What is your reason for that though?
If, for example, teachers are off sick with Covid, the education of hundreds of pupils is affected"
Teachers are off sick for all kinds of reasons all the time.
However if we vaccinate the most vulnerable 1st life can go back to some sense of normality.
Because our hospitals won't be overflowing with the infectious virus that kills people. |
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"I think younger working adults should have the vaccine first. Shoot me now !
What is your reason for that though?"
Our economy is in tatters, young people are suffering emotionally and financially.
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"I think younger working adults should have the vaccine first. Shoot me now !
What is your reason for that though?
If, for example, teachers are off sick with Covid, the education of hundreds of pupils is affected
I think teachers should be the same priority as social care staff."
The problem with that is you would have to vaccinate all people that working in education setting and that is about 5 million people.
People who work in those settings that are vulnerable to covid will be a priority. |
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"I think younger working adults should have the vaccine first. Shoot me now !
What is your reason for that though?
Our economy is in tatters, young people are suffering emotionally and financially.
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How ever if they get sick but majority of them I just home for a few days.
We have no idea if this vaccine prevents spread so fairly pointless. |
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over a year ago
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"I think younger working adults should have the vaccine first. Shoot me now !
What is your reason for that though?
Our economy is in tatters, young people are suffering emotionally and financially.
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You are quite right but our hospitals are overwhelmed. As others have said, by vaccinating the most vulnerable, it relieves pressure off the hospitals. |
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"I think younger working adults should have the vaccine first. Shoot me now !
What is your reason for that though?
Our economy is in tatters, young people are suffering emotionally and financially.
How ever if they get sick but majority of them I just home for a few days.
We have no idea if this vaccine prevents spread so fairly pointless."
if it does prevent spread then it won't be pointless |
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"I think younger working adults should have the vaccine first. Shoot me now !
What is your reason for that though?
If, for example, teachers are off sick with Covid, the education of hundreds of pupils is affected
I think teachers should be the same priority as social care staff.
The problem with that is you would have to vaccinate all people that working in education setting and that is about 5 million people.
People who work in those settings that are vulnerable to covid will be a priority. "
And at the target of 3 million vaccines a week thats 2 weeks...
School nurses and health visitors can be trained to administered so whole schools can be vaccinated in a day.
Once supply is there of course. But its workable. |
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"I think younger working adults should have the vaccine first. Shoot me now !
What is your reason for that though?
If, for example, teachers are off sick with Covid, the education of hundreds of pupils is affected
I think teachers should be the same priority as social care staff.
The problem with that is you would have to vaccinate all people that working in education setting and that is about 5 million people.
People who work in those settings that are vulnerable to covid will be a priority.
And at the target of 3 million vaccines a week thats 2 weeks...
School nurses and health visitors can be trained to administered so whole schools can be vaccinated in a day.
Once supply is there of course. But its workable. "
Yes and they will get round to everybody but it has to be done on a clinical priority. |
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"If i was 80 i would not take it. I would rather give mine to somebody younger. At 80 my life is nearly over anyway.
Yes me 2 even at my age now I think that x"
I feel absolutely nothing like that.. |
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"I think younger working adults should have the vaccine first. Shoot me now !
What is your reason for that though?
Our economy is in tatters, young people are suffering emotionally and financially.
How ever if they get sick but majority of them I just home for a few days.
We have no idea if this vaccine prevents spread so fairly pointless.if it does prevent spread then it won't be pointless"
But surely we know it probably protects the majority of the population from getting too sick so we have to work on that basis because we know that.
Then life will come back to some sort of normal because getting this virus isn't in itself an issue it's the fact it seriously affects so many people to the point where they need hospital treatment. |
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"I think younger working adults should have the vaccine first. Shoot me now !
What is your reason for that though?
If, for example, teachers are off sick with Covid, the education of hundreds of pupils is affected
I think teachers should be the same priority as social care staff.
The problem with that is you would have to vaccinate all people that working in education setting and that is about 5 million people.
People who work in those settings that are vulnerable to covid will be a priority.
And at the target of 3 million vaccines a week thats 2 weeks...
School nurses and health visitors can be trained to administered so whole schools can be vaccinated in a day.
Once supply is there of course. But its workable.
Yes and they will get round to everybody but it has to be done on a clinical priority."
Getting children back to school is high priority. When supply isn't an issue it shouldn't even affect the normal vaccine programme at all if school nurses, etc are it. The normal programme will run as scheduled.
I remember when I was at school we all had the BCG in a day almost 300 pupils. This is a much smaller operation than that.
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"If i was 80 i would not take it. I would rather give mine to somebody younger. At 80 my life is nearly over anyway.
is that wishful thinking that others will do that for you ?"
That's how I saw it |
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"I think younger working adults should have the vaccine first. Shoot me now !
What is your reason for that though?
If, for example, teachers are off sick with Covid, the education of hundreds of pupils is affected
I think teachers should be the same priority as social care staff.
The problem with that is you would have to vaccinate all people that working in education setting and that is about 5 million people.
People who work in those settings that are vulnerable to covid will be a priority.
And at the target of 3 million vaccines a week thats 2 weeks...
School nurses and health visitors can be trained to administered so whole schools can be vaccinated in a day.
Once supply is there of course. But its workable.
Yes and they will get round to everybody but it has to be done on a clinical priority.
Getting children back to school is high priority. When supply isn't an issue it shouldn't even affect the normal vaccine programme at all if school nurses, etc are it. The normal programme will run as scheduled.
I remember when I was at school we all had the BCG in a day almost 300 pupils. This is a much smaller operation than that.
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I’m sure this will happen in time. You’ll be able to go to boots and get it like your flu jab eventually
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"If i was 80 i would not take it. I would rather give mine to somebody younger. At 80 my life is nearly over anyway.
But if you were over 80 and didn't have the vaccine and caught it, your admittance to hospital would be an extra burden on NHS resources
If i was old and frail and had refused the vaccine then caught covid then i would not go to hospital. I would probably just swallow my pills. Nobody lives forever and i would rather save the young.
I have to say I am shocked at your attitude on this because you work in a care home.
I can not believe you have just said that so will not even respond. I will just shake my head and ignore.
Why it's a valid point and to have and ignored it though have you because you have responded.
Just very surprising that somebody that works in a care home feels that way."
Obviously by replying, she did respond and didn't ignore and it was a valid point |
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The first age group was over 80s but the pace means that any people about to become 80 wouldn't take more than a tiny fraction of 1 day to include them. Notwithstanding that the over 70s and then younger people successively get it. Borderline people will be as nothing, just a tiny minority. |
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"I think younger working adults should have the vaccine first. Shoot me now !
What is your reason for that though?
If, for example, teachers are off sick with Covid, the education of hundreds of pupils is affected
I think teachers should be the same priority as social care staff.
The problem with that is you would have to vaccinate all people that working in education setting and that is about 5 million people.
People who work in those settings that are vulnerable to covid will be a priority.
And at the target of 3 million vaccines a week thats 2 weeks...
School nurses and health visitors can be trained to administered so whole schools can be vaccinated in a day.
Once supply is there of course. But its workable.
Yes and they will get round to everybody but it has to be done on a clinical priority.
Getting children back to school is high priority. When supply isn't an issue it shouldn't even affect the normal vaccine programme at all if school nurses, etc are it. The normal programme will run as scheduled.
I remember when I was at school we all had the BCG in a day almost 300 pupils. This is a much smaller operation than that.
I’m sure this will happen in time. You’ll be able to go to boots and get it like your flu jab eventually
xx"
Exactly at the moment supply and logistics is an issue.
They have not yet published the order of priority after the initial groups and there has been strong suggestions that certain professions will be priority. |
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"Are they doing it wrong, shouldn't they be vaccinating the young instead of the old, the old arnt the ones spreading it, they are not comming out of care homes/houses, let's vaccinate the young ones and let them work, get the economy going again"
Although I agree to get the economy going again, I wholeheartedly disagree with giving it to the young in preference.. It doesn't stop you getting the virus or passing it on but they'll consider themselves immune and that will just get the numbers higher. The elderly and vulnerable are more entitled to it, especially the elderly who should now be cared for in their twilight years |
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"I think younger working adults should have the vaccine first. Shoot me now !
What is your reason for that though?
If, for example, teachers are off sick with Covid, the education of hundreds of pupils is affected
I think teachers should be the same priority as social care staff.
The problem with that is you would have to vaccinate all people that working in education setting and that is about 5 million people.
People who work in those settings that are vulnerable to covid will be a priority.
And at the target of 3 million vaccines a week thats 2 weeks...
School nurses and health visitors can be trained to administered so whole schools can be vaccinated in a day.
Once supply is there of course. But its workable.
Yes and they will get round to everybody but it has to be done on a clinical priority.
Getting children back to school is high priority. When supply isn't an issue it shouldn't even affect the normal vaccine programme at all if school nurses, etc are it. The normal programme will run as scheduled.
I remember when I was at school we all had the BCG in a day almost 300 pupils. This is a much smaller operation than that.
I’m sure this will happen in time. You’ll be able to go to boots and get it like your flu jab eventually
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Exactly at the moment supply and logistics is an issue.
They have not yet published the order of priority after the initial groups and there has been strong suggestions that certain professions will be priority."
Apparently and this is from someone in education dedicated SEN schools are in the health and social care priority.
Due to the children they support being more vulnerable |
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"I think younger working adults should have the vaccine first. Shoot me now !
What is your reason for that though?
If, for example, teachers are off sick with Covid, the education of hundreds of pupils is affected"
I like your thought but the problem being as it appears teachers don't actually want to go back to work.
Why has nobody thought of a big screen in a classroom so the teacher can sit in another room to the pupils? Ah, that would mean them having to go. Scrub that thought |
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"I think younger working adults should have the vaccine first. Shoot me now !
What is your reason for that though?
Our economy is in tatters, young people are suffering emotionally and financially.
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"If i was 80 i would not take it. I would rather give mine to somebody younger. At 80 my life is nearly over anyway.
But if you were over 80 and didn't have the vaccine and caught it, your admittance to hospital would be an extra burden on NHS resources
If i was old and frail and had refused the vaccine then caught covid then i would not go to hospital. I would probably just swallow my pills. Nobody lives forever and i would rather save the young.
I have to say I am shocked at your attitude on this because you work in a care home.
I can not believe you have just said that so will not even respond. I will just shake my head and ignore.
Why it's a valid point and to have and ignored it though have you because you have responded.
Just very surprising that somebody that works in a care home feels that way.
Obviously by replying, she did respond and didn't ignore and it was a valid point "
A valid point????. In all my time on fab nobody has ever said anything so hurtful or cutting as that comment. My personal views about my own life will never stop me for doing the best and caring for others. |
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"I think younger working adults should have the vaccine first. Shoot me now !
What is your reason for that though?
If, for example, teachers are off sick with Covid, the education of hundreds of pupils is affected
I like your thought but the problem being as it appears teachers don't actually want to go back to work.
Why has nobody thought of a big screen in a classroom so the teacher can sit in another room to the pupils? Ah, that would mean them having to go. Scrub that thought "
What an utterly ridiculous comment  |
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"I think younger working adults should have the vaccine first. Shoot me now !
What is your reason for that though?
Our economy is in tatters, young people are suffering emotionally and financially.
How ever if they get sick but majority of them I just home for a few days.
We have no idea if this vaccine prevents spread so fairly pointless.if it does prevent spread then it won't be pointless"
It doesn't prevent the spread. |
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"I think younger working adults should have the vaccine first. Shoot me now !
What is your reason for that though?
If, for example, teachers are off sick with Covid, the education of hundreds of pupils is affected
I like your thought but the problem being as it appears teachers don't actually want to go back to work.
Why has nobody thought of a big screen in a classroom so the teacher can sit in another room to the pupils? Ah, that would mean them having to go. Scrub that thought "
Whilst I appreciate the logic I can assure you toleave a class of children unattended while you are in another Room is not going to work!  |
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"If i was 80 i would not take it. I would rather give mine to somebody younger. At 80 my life is nearly over anyway.
But if you were over 80 and didn't have the vaccine and caught it, your admittance to hospital would be an extra burden on NHS resources
If i was old and frail and had refused the vaccine then caught covid then i would not go to hospital. I would probably just swallow my pills. Nobody lives forever and i would rather save the young.
I have to say I am shocked at your attitude on this because you work in a care home.
I can not believe you have just said that so will not even respond. I will just shake my head and ignore.
Why it's a valid point and to have and ignored it though have you because you have responded.
Just very surprising that somebody that works in a care home feels that way.
Obviously by replying, she did respond and didn't ignore and it was a valid point
A valid point????. In all my time on fab nobody has ever said anything so hurtful or cutting as that comment. My personal views about my own life will never stop me for doing the best and caring for others. "
You have taken it far too personally.
It wasn't meant as a hurtful comment it was meant as I am surprised that somebody that works with this age group would have that attitude.
I did not say you didn't care for others and you know because I have said to you that I appreciate the work you do and because of other posts and how upset you have been that covid has been in your care home I was genuinely very surprised that you had come to that conclusion. |
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"I think younger working adults should have the vaccine first. Shoot me now !
What is your reason for that though?
If, for example, teachers are off sick with Covid, the education of hundreds of pupils is affected
I like your thought but the problem being as it appears teachers don't actually want to go back to work.
Why has nobody thought of a big screen in a classroom so the teacher can sit in another room to the pupils? Ah, that would mean them having to go. Scrub that thought "
Plenty of teachers are working there arses of for their classes and would find it 10x easier working as usual. This comment makes me sad |
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By *ik MMan
over a year ago
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"If i was 80 i would not take it. I would rather give mine to somebody younger. At 80 my life is nearly over anyway.
But if you were over 80 and didn't have the vaccine and caught it, your admittance to hospital would be an extra burden on NHS resources
If i was old and frail and had refused the vaccine then caught covid then i would not go to hospital. I would probably just swallow my pills. Nobody lives forever and i would rather save the young.
I have to say I am shocked at your attitude on this because you work in a care home.
I can not believe you have just said that so will not even respond. I will just shake my head and ignore.
Why it's a valid point and to have and ignored it though have you because you have responded.
Just very surprising that somebody that works in a care home feels that way.
Obviously by replying, she did respond and didn't ignore and it was a valid point
A valid point????. In all my time on fab nobody has ever said anything so hurtful or cutting as that comment. My personal views about my own life will never stop me for doing the best and caring for others. "
It’s sad that someone felt they had the right to question your professional integrity for what are your (altogether sensible) personal views. This forum is becoming nothing but toxic, particularly where anyone who reasonably thinks anything other than everyone should live forever is labelled a monster. |
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"If i was 80 i would not take it. I would rather give mine to somebody younger. At 80 my life is nearly over anyway.
But if you were over 80 and didn't have the vaccine and caught it, your admittance to hospital would be an extra burden on NHS resources
If i was old and frail and had refused the vaccine then caught covid then i would not go to hospital. I would probably just swallow my pills. Nobody lives forever and i would rather save the young.
I have to say I am shocked at your attitude on this because you work in a care home.
I can not believe you have just said that so will not even respond. I will just shake my head and ignore.
Why it's a valid point and to have and ignored it though have you because you have responded.
Just very surprising that somebody that works in a care home feels that way.
Obviously by replying, she did respond and didn't ignore and it was a valid point
A valid point????. In all my time on fab nobody has ever said anything so hurtful or cutting as that comment. My personal views about my own life will never stop me for doing the best and caring for others.
It’s sad that someone felt they had the right to question your professional integrity for what are your (altogether sensible) personal views. This forum is becoming nothing but toxic, particularly where anyone who reasonably thinks anything other than everyone should live forever is labelled a monster. "
How is saying I'm surprised somebody that works in a care who has come to this conclusion attacking anybody's professional integrity? |
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"I think younger working adults should have the vaccine first. Shoot me now !
What is your reason for that though?
If, for example, teachers are off sick with Covid, the education of hundreds of pupils is affected
I like your thought but the problem being as it appears teachers don't actually want to go back to work.
Why has nobody thought of a big screen in a classroom so the teacher can sit in another room to the pupils? Ah, that would mean them having to go. Scrub that thought "
Can you provide some evidence that teachers dont want to work please?
Many thanks
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"There is something about old age these days that troubles me and is the ultimate irony. Thanks to medical science we are able to artificially extend life beyond nature. The world life expectancy has grown too old causing massive over population and overcrowding and maybe the virus itself as well as climate change.
There seems to be a cult of life.. no matter what. Death used to be accepted, mortality embraced but as society has become more faithless perhaps we've become more scared of it. i really understood the lady saying she wouldn't have the vaccine if old and frail... struck a chord me with all those old people who are struggling with dementia while locked away
is the retaining of life really our ultimate goal or should it be about quality...
they shoot horses dont they?
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Where would you draw the line, at what age does life become unnatural in your opinion?
no line. every individual is different. just a statement of fact that without a lifetime of modern medicine many of the over 80s would not be alive. i guess its all down to diet and lifestyle my mum who is 83 has been vaccinated and is going insane with dementia and will soon not remember her grandkids names including my first daughter who died aged 2 weeks. The hardest choice I ever had to make was turn off her machine. Could have kept her artificially alive but she would have been very badly brain damaged and have suffered greatly from any resuscitation.
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"Also, who pays for all the big screens and the extra rooms to house them ?"
This!
Education professional here (mainly department management now) and we've been working from home since March and not a days education has been missed for our students. I've worked more hours in this pandemic than ever before, dealing with students in every time zone from -5 to +9 UK time. I ate my evening meal twice this week during Teams calls to sort schedules out, finishing after 20:30, having started at 08:00. I don't think that's avoiding work. |
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"I think some people love bouncing around from thread to thread just to argue
Yes I'm talking about YOU!
I’ll be sending abuse tomorrow you inbox soon   haha x"
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"I think younger working adults should have the vaccine first. Shoot me now !
What is your reason for that though?
Our economy is in tatters, young people are suffering emotionally and financially.
You are quite right but our hospitals are overwhelmed. As others have said, by vaccinating the most vulnerable, it relieves pressure off the hospitals."
which in turn allows us to start to open things up and get the economy moving again
i think people who suggest the young get it first think a decision has been made between old people and the economy, in reality we have to do one for the quickest route to the other |
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"I think some people love bouncing around from thread to thread just to argue
Yes I'm talking about YOU! "
some people like to engage in sensible debate on multiple threads yes
some like to just dip in with a wooden spoon
its also generally not hard to work out which are which |
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By *amissCouple
over a year ago
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"I think younger working adults should have the vaccine first. Shoot me now !
What is your reason for that though?
Our economy is in tatters, young people are suffering emotionally and financially.
You are quite right but our hospitals are overwhelmed. As others have said, by vaccinating the most vulnerable, it relieves pressure off the hospitals.
which in turn allows us to start to open things up and get the economy moving again
i think people who suggest the young get it first think a decision has been made between old people and the economy, in reality we have to do one for the quickest route to the other"
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"I think younger working adults should have the vaccine first. Shoot me now !
What is your reason for that though?
Our economy is in tatters, young people are suffering emotionally and financially.
You are quite right but our hospitals are overwhelmed. As others have said, by vaccinating the most vulnerable, it relieves pressure off the hospitals."
Since I've been in the nhs hospitals have been overwhelmed. |
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