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"Sainsbury’s across the country introducing tough new rules for wearing mask in there shop. - You Follow there rules or you won’t be allowed in there shops." Yes, it's the same in all supermarket chains  | |||
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"To be honest I think the biggest difference will be if people are told if they don't social distance they will have to leave because that seems to be the biggest problem in supermarkets." Where i shop social distancing was never a problem until face coverings were introduced. People seem to think it's ok to not be 2 meters away because the mask protects them. It freaks me out when that happens. | |||
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"To be honest I think the biggest difference will be if people are told if they don't social distance they will have to leave because that seems to be the biggest problem in supermarkets. Where i shop social distancing was never a problem until face coverings were introduced. People seem to think it's ok to not be 2 meters away because the mask protects them. It freaks me out when that happens. " Exactly. Often the people who are moaning at those that can't wear a mask, see the person isn't wearing them ask but doesn't keep their distance then somehow it's not their fault. | |||
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"Sainsbury’s across the country introducing tough new rules for wearing mask in there shop. - You Follow there rules or you won’t be allowed in there shops." Good! Conditional of course on those who have genuine/medical/ proof not ' I dont want to wear one/ civil liberties' stuff !If someone is genuinely exempt they should still be allowed in of course. I am 100 percent happy with that and think every shop , garage, .. pretty much everywhere needs to introduce this policy straight away . I dont know about everyone else but I am tired of being locked in and having my life on hold ! | |||
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"HMG Covid rules state this: Exemption cards If you have an age, health or disability reason for not wearing a face covering: you do not routinely need to show any written evidence of this you do not need show an exemption card This means that you do not need to seek advice or request a letter from a medical professional about your reason for not wearing a face covering. However, some people may feel more comfortable showing something that says they do not have to wear a face covering. This could be in the form of an exemption card, badge or even a home-made sign. Carrying an exemption card or badge is a personal choice and is not required by law." It may not currently be required but I suggest it now should be? it will clarify things for everyone . I think absolutely as time moves on it will definitely come into law everywhere ..otherwise, there is no real way of being able to enforce a mask avoider ' just because I don't have to wear one/ its not the law' type . | |||
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"Here we go again!!! ... rolling eyes!! Just do it if you can peeps! .. it will help us get out of this situation quicker! I do just worry that, will those who struggle to wear masks have the same problem when it comes to being put on a ventilator?? R x" I'm not sure how everyone wearing masks will get us out of this quicker. Also I don't get the argument when it comes to people saying about ventilators because it's 2 totally separate issues and not comparable. | |||
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"Totally agree with it knowbody should be exempt from wearing a mask and if they don’t want to stay home and get someone to shop for them selfish pricks "Thankfully the government don't have such as intolerant attitude and except there are exempt people who are not selfish prices, just people trying to live their lives as best they can and try to do so without judgement from who haven't educated themselves on why somebody may be exempt. | |||
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"Personally I don't see the problem. Shops are private businesses and as such can allow and deny entry. If there's a "no mask, no entry" policy, whether you're exempt or not from wearing a mask, they don't have to let you in! It's not discriminatory and you don't have a right to enter private property. Same argument used here by people complaining they can't get pussy because (add whine of choice) as people are (add ist of choice)." Of course it's discrimination which is why the majority of shops aren't still exert thankfully because they have some common sense. Everybody is assuming this is temporary but the chances are we will be told to wear face coverings in public for a least another year and a 1/2 so those of you who are advocating people that cannot where one are shut away really do need to have a think about what you are suggesting that we do with the most Vulnerable in our society. | |||
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"Totally agree with it knowbody should be exempt from wearing a mask and if they don’t want to stay home and get someone to shop for them selfish pricks
Thankfully the government don't have such as intolerant attitude and except there are exempt people who are not selfish prices, just people trying to live their lives as best they can and try to do so without judgement from who haven't educated themselves on why somebody may be exempt. "Well maybe them people should get on with THEIR lives by staying out of public places mixing with people who value theirs  | |||
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"Totally agree with it knowbody should be exempt from wearing a mask and if they don’t want to stay home and get someone to shop for them selfish pricks
Thankfully the government don't have such as intolerant attitude and except there are exempt people who are not selfish prices, just people trying to live their lives as best they can and try to do so without judgement from who haven't educated themselves on why somebody may be exempt.
Well maybe them people should get on with THEIR lives by staying out of public places mixing with people who value theirs "So you want vulnerable people who have neurological conditions, Mental health conditions, Learning difficulties, And autism's to just be locked away so you don't have to see them because that is what you are saying. | |||
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"Personally I don't see the problem. Shops are private businesses and as such can allow and deny entry. If there's a "no mask, no entry" policy, whether you're exempt or not from wearing a mask, they don't have to let you in! It's not discriminatory and you don't have a right to enter private property. Same argument used here by people complaining they can't get pussy because (add whine of choice) as people are (add ist of choice)." - this! | |||
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"Totally agree with it knowbody should be exempt from wearing a mask and if they don’t want to stay home and get someone to shop for them selfish pricks
Thankfully the government don't have such as intolerant attitude and except there are exempt people who are not selfish prices, just people trying to live their lives as best they can and try to do so without judgement from who haven't educated themselves on why somebody may be exempt. "Goid job they arent in Hong Kong where my daughter lives there are no exemptions and their figures are 2 a day if that. If you dnt wear one you are immediately fined or taken away. Job done | |||
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"Totally agree with it knowbody should be exempt from wearing a mask and if they don’t want to stay home and get someone to shop for them selfish pricks
Thankfully the government don't have such as intolerant attitude and except there are exempt people who are not selfish prices, just people trying to live their lives as best they can and try to do so without judgement from who haven't educated themselves on why somebody may be exempt.
Goid job they arent in Hong Kong where my daughter lives there are no exemptions and their figures are 2 a day if that. If you dnt wear one you are immediately fined or taken away. Job done"Yes thankfully we do live in a more enlightened society. | |||
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"Totally agree with it knowbody should be exempt from wearing a mask and if they don’t want to stay home and get someone to shop for them selfish pricks
Thankfully the government don't have such as intolerant attitude and except there are exempt people who are not selfish prices, just people trying to live their lives as best they can and try to do so without judgement from who haven't educated themselves on why somebody may be exempt.
Well maybe them people should get on with THEIR lives by staying out of public places mixing with people who value theirs
So you want vulnerable people who have neurological conditions, Mental health conditions, Learning difficulties, And autism's to just be locked away so you don't have to see them because that is what you are saying."Shop on line , get someone else to do it go for walks in open spaces . Why do you think people with an illness have the right to put other peoples life at risk ? Cus that’s what your saying . If you can’t wear a mask stay away from public places | |||
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"Totally agree with it knowbody should be exempt from wearing a mask and if they don’t want to stay home and get someone to shop for them selfish pricks
Thankfully the government don't have such as intolerant attitude and except there are exempt people who are not selfish prices, just people trying to live their lives as best they can and try to do so without judgement from who haven't educated themselves on why somebody may be exempt.
Well maybe them people should get on with THEIR lives by staying out of public places mixing with people who value theirs
So you want vulnerable people who have neurological conditions, Mental health conditions, Learning difficulties, And autism's to just be locked away so you don't have to see them because that is what you are saying.
Shop on line , get someone else to do it go for walks in open spaces . Why do you think people with an illness have the right to put other peoples life at risk ? Cus that’s what your saying . If you can’t wear a mask stay away from public places "Firstly the things I have mentioned are not illnesses they are conditions and does not make somebody ill. Secondly the government have put these exemptions in place. Thirdly these people's right to independence is just as valid as yours. Like I said thankfully more enlightened people going to agree with you which is why there are exemptions in place. Just keep your distance it's a simple as that that will make the biggest difference. | |||
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"Totally agree with it knowbody should be exempt from wearing a mask and if they don’t want to stay home and get someone to shop for them selfish pricks
Thankfully the government don't have such as intolerant attitude and except there are exempt people who are not selfish prices, just people trying to live their lives as best they can and try to do so without judgement from who haven't educated themselves on why somebody may be exempt.
Goid job they arent in Hong Kong where my daughter lives there are no exemptions and their figures are 2 a day if that. If you dnt wear one you are immediately fined or taken away. Job done
Yes thankfully we do live in a more enlightened society.
"I totally agree with it . My granddaughters were safe now back in London. My daughter lives a normal life. So who has it right. Definitely not us | |||
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"Totally agree with it knowbody should be exempt from wearing a mask and if they don’t want to stay home and get someone to shop for them selfish pricks
Thankfully the government don't have such as intolerant attitude and except there are exempt people who are not selfish prices, just people trying to live their lives as best they can and try to do so without judgement from who haven't educated themselves on why somebody may be exempt.
Goid job they arent in Hong Kong where my daughter lives there are no exemptions and their figures are 2 a day if that. If you dnt wear one you are immediately fined or taken away. Job done
Yes thankfully we do live in a more enlightened society.
I totally agree with it . My granddaughters were safe now back in London. My daughter lives a normal life. So who has it right. Definitely not us"I think you will find the reason Hong-Kong has managed to reduce their daily infections has little to do with mask wearing. | |||
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"Totally agree with it knowbody should be exempt from wearing a mask and if they don’t want to stay home and get someone to shop for them selfish pricks
Thankfully the government don't have such as intolerant attitude and except there are exempt people who are not selfish prices, just people trying to live their lives as best they can and try to do so without judgement from who haven't educated themselves on why somebody may be exempt.
Goid job they arent in Hong Kong where my daughter lives there are no exemptions and their figures are 2 a day if that. If you dnt wear one you are immediately fined or taken away. Job done
Yes thankfully we do live in a more enlightened society.
I totally agree with it . My granddaughters were safe now back in London. My daughter lives a normal life. So who has it right. Definitely not us
I think you will find the reason Hong-Kong has managed to reduce their daily infections has little to do with mask wearing.
"Im no expert i go by my family . It has to do with face masks. Testing on arrival. Quarantine even if tested negative. 2 weeks in a hotel at your expense when clear the 2 weeks you can leave. If you dnt you are taken to a detention centre till you are. So I know what it has to do with | |||
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"Discussed in depth https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/virus/1111316" Yes but unfortunately there are still uninformed attitudes so obviously still needs to be discussed. | |||
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"Totally agree with it knowbody should be exempt from wearing a mask and if they don’t want to stay home and get someone to shop for them selfish pricks
Thankfully the government don't have such as intolerant attitude and except there are exempt people who are not selfish prices, just people trying to live their lives as best they can and try to do so without judgement from who haven't educated themselves on why somebody may be exempt.
Goid job they arent in Hong Kong where my daughter lives there are no exemptions and their figures are 2 a day if that. If you dnt wear one you are immediately fined or taken away. Job done
Yes thankfully we do live in a more enlightened society.
I totally agree with it . My granddaughters were safe now back in London. My daughter lives a normal life. So who has it right. Definitely not us
I think you will find the reason Hong-Kong has managed to reduce their daily infections has little to do with mask wearing.
Im no expert i go by my family . It has to do with face masks. Testing on arrival. Quarantine even if tested negative. 2 weeks in a hotel at your expense when clear the 2 weeks you can leave. If you dnt you are taken to a detention centre till you are. So I know what it has to do with "I have just had a quick look on Google and actually if you Google it yourself you will find Hong-Kong does have some exemptions to wearing masks. Even Communist countries realise there are people that cannot wear them it seems. | |||
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"Discussed in depth https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/virus/1111316 Yes but unfortunately there are still uninformed attitudes so obviously still needs to be discussed." Sorry what does. Not sure i understand | |||
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"Totally agree with it knowbody should be exempt from wearing a mask and if they don’t want to stay home and get someone to shop for them selfish pricks
Thankfully the government don't have such as intolerant attitude and except there are exempt people who are not selfish prices, just people trying to live their lives as best they can and try to do so without judgement from who haven't educated themselves on why somebody may be exempt.
Well maybe them people should get on with THEIR lives by staying out of public places mixing with people who value theirs
So you want vulnerable people who have neurological conditions, Mental health conditions, Learning difficulties, And autism's to just be locked away so you don't have to see them because that is what you are saying.
Shop on line , get someone else to do it go for walks in open spaces . Why do you think people with an illness have the right to put other peoples life at risk ? Cus that’s what your saying . If you can’t wear a mask stay away from public places
Firstly the things I have mentioned are not illnesses they are conditions and does not make somebody ill.
Secondly the government have put these exemptions in place.
Thirdly these people's right to independence is just as valid as yours.
Like I said thankfully more enlightened people going to agree with you which is why there are exemptions in place.
Just keep your distance it's a simple as that that will make the biggest difference. "Protect lives protect the nhs really that simple of you don’t like the rules rough suck it up buttercup but I am 100% behind the wearing of mask , why? Because I value my life and respect and value the lives of other people . If I couldn’t wear a mask for whatever reason I would do my best to stay away from other people the attitude I can’t wear a mask but know my rights and will do what I want is wrong | |||
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"Totally agree with it knowbody should be exempt from wearing a mask and if they don’t want to stay home and get someone to shop for them selfish pricks
Thankfully the government don't have such as intolerant attitude and except there are exempt people who are not selfish prices, just people trying to live their lives as best they can and try to do so without judgement from who haven't educated themselves on why somebody may be exempt.
Goid job they arent in Hong Kong where my daughter lives there are no exemptions and their figures are 2 a day if that. If you dnt wear one you are immediately fined or taken away. Job done
Yes thankfully we do live in a more enlightened society.
I totally agree with it . My granddaughters were safe now back in London. My daughter lives a normal life. So who has it right. Definitely not us
I think you will find the reason Hong-Kong has managed to reduce their daily infections has little to do with mask wearing.
Im no expert i go by my family . It has to do with face masks. Testing on arrival. Quarantine even if tested negative. 2 weeks in a hotel at your expense when clear the 2 weeks you can leave. If you dnt you are taken to a detention centre till you are. So I know what it has to do with
I have just had a quick look on Google and actually if you Google it yourself you will find Hong-Kong does have some exemptions to wearing masks.
Even Communist countries realise there are people that cannot wear them it seems. "Thought you might lol | |||
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"Discussed in depth https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/virus/1111316 Yes but unfortunately there are still uninformed attitudes so obviously still needs to be discussed." These are not uninformed attitudes. If those who can wear a face covering to protect others-(we all have a duty not to spread this)then the same should apply to everyone. Why should i put my life at risk by being in a space where covid is spread by a face covering not being worn. | |||
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"Discussed in depth https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/virus/1111316 Yes but unfortunately there are still uninformed attitudes so obviously still needs to be discussed. These are not uninformed attitudes. If those who can wear a face covering to protect others-(we all have a duty not to spread this)then the same should apply to everyone. Why should i put my life at risk by being in a space where covid is spread by a face covering not being worn." Well said. I agree. Im sure certain people wont | |||
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"Discussed in depth https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/virus/1111316 Yes but unfortunately there are still uninformed attitudes so obviously still needs to be discussed. These are not uninformed attitudes. If those who can wear a face covering to protect others-(we all have a duty not to spread this)then the same should apply to everyone. Why should i put my life at risk by being in a space where covid is spread by a face covering not being worn." Well then let's flip it on its head, why should someone who cannot wear a mask have to put up with appalling attitudes when the people who feel their lives are at risk could stay indoors and not go to the supermarket. Like I said the government recognises certain people cannot wear a mask and these people are not being asked to stay-at-home by anybody in authority. I've made my point very clear and so has the government so I don't know why people have an issue with this. | |||
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"Discussed in depth https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/virus/1111316 Yes but unfortunately there are still uninformed attitudes so obviously still needs to be discussed. These are not uninformed attitudes. If those who can wear a face covering to protect others-(we all have a duty not to spread this)then the same should apply to everyone. Why should i put my life at risk by being in a space where covid is spread by a face covering not being worn. Well then let's flip it on its head, why should someone who cannot wear a mask have to put up with appalling attitudes when the people who feel their lives are at risk could stay indoors and not go to the supermarket. Like I said the government recognises certain people cannot wear a mask and these people are not being asked to stay-at-home by anybody in authority. I've made my point very clear and so has the government so I don't know why people have an issue with this." Because they are the minority. They don’t need to be in public spaces mixing with people especially when people feel uncomfortable with it | |||
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"Discussed in depth https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/virus/1111316 Yes but unfortunately there are still uninformed attitudes so obviously still needs to be discussed. These are not uninformed attitudes. If those who can wear a face covering to protect others-(we all have a duty not to spread this)then the same should apply to everyone. Why should i put my life at risk by being in a space where covid is spread by a face covering not being worn. Well then let's flip it on its head, why should someone who cannot wear a mask have to put up with appalling attitudes when the people who feel their lives are at risk could stay indoors and not go to the supermarket. Like I said the government recognises certain people cannot wear a mask and these people are not being asked to stay-at-home by anybody in authority. I've made my point very clear and so has the government so I don't know why people have an issue with this." Dont we all feel our lives are at risk ? | |||
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"Discussed in depth https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/virus/1111316 Yes but unfortunately there are still uninformed attitudes so obviously still needs to be discussed. These are not uninformed attitudes. If those who can wear a face covering to protect others-(we all have a duty not to spread this)then the same should apply to everyone. Why should i put my life at risk by being in a space where covid is spread by a face covering not being worn. Well then let's flip it on its head, why should someone who cannot wear a mask have to put up with appalling attitudes when the people who feel their lives are at risk could stay indoors and not go to the supermarket. Like I said the government recognises certain people cannot wear a mask and these people are not being asked to stay-at-home by anybody in authority. I've made my point very clear and so has the government so I don't know why people have an issue with this. Dont we all feel our lives are at risk ? " I feel my life is more risk from the people that are wearing face coverings but get too close, Touch everything and put it back, Aren't using hand sanitizer than someone who can't wear one but is keeping their distance. | |||
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"Discussed in depth https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/virus/1111316 Yes but unfortunately there are still uninformed attitudes so obviously still needs to be discussed. These are not uninformed attitudes. If those who can wear a face covering to protect others-(we all have a duty not to spread this)then the same should apply to everyone. Why should i put my life at risk by being in a space where covid is spread by a face covering not being worn. Well then let's flip it on its head, why should someone who cannot wear a mask have to put up with appalling attitudes when the people who feel their lives are at risk could stay indoors and not go to the supermarket. Like I said the government recognises certain people cannot wear a mask and these people are not being asked to stay-at-home by anybody in authority. I've made my point very clear and so has the government so I don't know why people have an issue with this. Dont we all feel our lives are at risk ? I feel my life is more risk from the people that are wearing face coverings but get too close, Touch everything and put it back, Aren't using hand sanitizer than someone who can't wear one but is keeping their distance. " So those who dont wear a face covering keep their distance? Unlikely. | |||
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"Discussed in depth https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/virus/1111316 Yes but unfortunately there are still uninformed attitudes so obviously still needs to be discussed. These are not uninformed attitudes. If those who can wear a face covering to protect others-(we all have a duty not to spread this)then the same should apply to everyone. Why should i put my life at risk by being in a space where covid is spread by a face covering not being worn. Well then let's flip it on its head, why should someone who cannot wear a mask have to put up with appalling attitudes when the people who feel their lives are at risk could stay indoors and not go to the supermarket. Like I said the government recognises certain people cannot wear a mask and these people are not being asked to stay-at-home by anybody in authority. I've made my point very clear and so has the government so I don't know why people have an issue with this." Cov sars2 has no ears It cares not what people in authority may or may not say I only have logical and questions Do masks prevent needless deaths ? Do we want to prevent deaths ?  | |||
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"Discussed in depth https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/virus/1111316 Yes but unfortunately there are still uninformed attitudes so obviously still needs to be discussed. These are not uninformed attitudes. If those who can wear a face covering to protect others-(we all have a duty not to spread this)then the same should apply to everyone. Why should i put my life at risk by being in a space where covid is spread by a face covering not being worn. Well then let's flip it on its head, why should someone who cannot wear a mask have to put up with appalling attitudes when the people who feel their lives are at risk could stay indoors and not go to the supermarket. Like I said the government recognises certain people cannot wear a mask and these people are not being asked to stay-at-home by anybody in authority. I've made my point very clear and so has the government so I don't know why people have an issue with this. Dont we all feel our lives are at risk ? I feel my life is more risk from the people that are wearing face coverings but get too close, Touch everything and put it back, Aren't using hand sanitizer than someone who can't wear one but is keeping their distance. So those who dont wear a face covering keep their distance? Unlikely. " Supermarket spread is rife and bearing in mind the vast majority of people are wearing face coverings, I suggest the problem is not the 3 or 4 that can't in each supermarket. Its easy to blame a small group of people rather than everyone taking responsibility for their actions and behaviour. | |||
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"Discussed in depth https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/virus/1111316 Yes but unfortunately there are still uninformed attitudes so obviously still needs to be discussed. These are not uninformed attitudes. If those who can wear a face covering to protect others-(we all have a duty not to spread this)then the same should apply to everyone. Why should i put my life at risk by being in a space where covid is spread by a face covering not being worn. Well then let's flip it on its head, why should someone who cannot wear a mask have to put up with appalling attitudes when the people who feel their lives are at risk could stay indoors and not go to the supermarket. Like I said the government recognises certain people cannot wear a mask and these people are not being asked to stay-at-home by anybody in authority. I've made my point very clear and so has the government so I don't know why people have an issue with this. Dont we all feel our lives are at risk ? I feel my life is more risk from the people that are wearing face coverings but get too close, Touch everything and put it back, Aren't using hand sanitizer than someone who can't wear one but is keeping their distance. So those who dont wear a face covering keep their distance? Unlikely. " I feel my life is being put at risk by people advocating that its ok not to wear a face covering . | |||
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"Discussed in depth https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/virus/1111316 Yes but unfortunately there are still uninformed attitudes so obviously still needs to be discussed. These are not uninformed attitudes. If those who can wear a face covering to protect others-(we all have a duty not to spread this)then the same should apply to everyone. Why should i put my life at risk by being in a space where covid is spread by a face covering not being worn. Well then let's flip it on its head, why should someone who cannot wear a mask have to put up with appalling attitudes when the people who feel their lives are at risk could stay indoors and not go to the supermarket. Like I said the government recognises certain people cannot wear a mask and these people are not being asked to stay-at-home by anybody in authority. I've made my point very clear and so has the government so I don't know why people have an issue with this. Dont we all feel our lives are at risk ? I feel my life is more risk from the people that are wearing face coverings but get too close, Touch everything and put it back, Aren't using hand sanitizer than someone who can't wear one but is keeping their distance. So those who dont wear a face covering keep their distance? Unlikely. I feel my life is being put at risk by people advocating that its ok not to wear a face covering ." I am not advocating that I am advocating that there are people who genuinely cannot where one there is a huge difference. | |||
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"Discussed in depth https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/virus/1111316 Yes but unfortunately there are still uninformed attitudes so obviously still needs to be discussed. These are not uninformed attitudes. If those who can wear a face covering to protect others-(we all have a duty not to spread this)then the same should apply to everyone. Why should i put my life at risk by being in a space where covid is spread by a face covering not being worn. Well then let's flip it on its head, why should someone who cannot wear a mask have to put up with appalling attitudes when the people who feel their lives are at risk could stay indoors and not go to the supermarket. Like I said the government recognises certain people cannot wear a mask and these people are not being asked to stay-at-home by anybody in authority. I've made my point very clear and so has the government so I don't know why people have an issue with this. Dont we all feel our lives are at risk ? I feel my life is more risk from the people that are wearing face coverings but get too close, Touch everything and put it back, Aren't using hand sanitizer than someone who can't wear one but is keeping their distance. So those who dont wear a face covering keep their distance? Unlikely. I feel my life is being put at risk by people advocating that its ok not to wear a face covering ." I don’t believe Lorna is advocating that though reading her posts. More advocating for people genuinely unable too xx | |||
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"Anyway end of the day rules are no mask no shopping like it or lump it it’s not really up for debate good on the supermarkets in their efforts to keep us safe "Again you are wrong if you look at the supermarket statements it is very clear people who have a Face covering exemption are still very welcome in store so it is not the case. | |||
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"Anyway end of the day rules are no mask no shopping like it or lump it it’s not really up for debate good on the supermarkets in their efforts to keep us safe "Unless your wearing a lanyard or have an exception badge... so not quite haha | |||
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"Discussed in depth https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/virus/1111316 Yes but unfortunately there are still uninformed attitudes so obviously still needs to be discussed. These are not uninformed attitudes. If those who can wear a face covering to protect others-(we all have a duty not to spread this)then the same should apply to everyone. Why should i put my life at risk by being in a space where covid is spread by a face covering not being worn. Well then let's flip it on its head, why should someone who cannot wear a mask have to put up with appalling attitudes when the people who feel their lives are at risk could stay indoors and not go to the supermarket. Like I said the government recognises certain people cannot wear a mask and these people are not being asked to stay-at-home by anybody in authority. I've made my point very clear and so has the government so I don't know why people have an issue with this. Dont we all feel our lives are at risk ? I feel my life is more risk from the people that are wearing face coverings but get too close, Touch everything and put it back, Aren't using hand sanitizer than someone who can't wear one but is keeping their distance. So those who dont wear a face covering keep their distance? Unlikely. I feel my life is being put at risk by people advocating that its ok not to wear a face covering . I am not advocating that I am advocating that there are people who genuinely cannot where one there is a huge difference." I am one of those who genuinely couldnt wear one to begin with.(for reasons i wont divulge) I trained myself indoors and gradually increased the time so i can now wear a mask for an hour . You have your opinion, i have mine . Its irresponsible to not wear a mask. | |||
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"Discussed in depth https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/virus/1111316 Yes but unfortunately there are still uninformed attitudes so obviously still needs to be discussed. These are not uninformed attitudes. If those who can wear a face covering to protect others-(we all have a duty not to spread this)then the same should apply to everyone. Why should i put my life at risk by being in a space where covid is spread by a face covering not being worn. Well then let's flip it on its head, why should someone who cannot wear a mask have to put up with appalling attitudes when the people who feel their lives are at risk could stay indoors and not go to the supermarket. Like I said the government recognises certain people cannot wear a mask and these people are not being asked to stay-at-home by anybody in authority. I've made my point very clear and so has the government so I don't know why people have an issue with this. Dont we all feel our lives are at risk ? I feel my life is more risk from the people that are wearing face coverings but get too close, Touch everything and put it back, Aren't using hand sanitizer than someone who can't wear one but is keeping their distance. So those who dont wear a face covering keep their distance? Unlikely. I feel my life is being put at risk by people advocating that its ok not to wear a face covering . I am not advocating that I am advocating that there are people who genuinely cannot where one there is a huge difference." | |||
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"Lorna ... you go shopping in supermarkets that aren’t bothered .... if you can find one - your choice! I’ll go shopping in those that have imposed mandatory wearing (all of them) and where I feel safer - my choice! " None of the main supermarkets have said that people who have an exemption cannot come into store. Absolutely none so good luck finding a supermarket that says you cannot come in even with an exemption. | |||
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"Yes its a good thing but people do need to remember there is a difference between can't wear one and won't wear one. This. E" Not really Cov sars cannot distinguish Do masks prevent death Do we want to prevent death ? | |||
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"Lorna ... you go shopping in supermarkets that aren’t bothered .... if you can find one - your choice! I’ll go shopping in those that have imposed mandatory wearing (all of them) and where I feel safer - my choice! None of the main supermarkets have said that people who have an exemption cannot come into store. Absolutely none so good luck finding a supermarket that says you cannot come in even with an exemption." I don’t think some people are getting it .. | |||
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"Discussed in depth https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/virus/1111316 Yes but unfortunately there are still uninformed attitudes so obviously still needs to be discussed. These are not uninformed attitudes. If those who can wear a face covering to protect others-(we all have a duty not to spread this)then the same should apply to everyone. Why should i put my life at risk by being in a space where covid is spread by a face covering not being worn. Well then let's flip it on its head, why should someone who cannot wear a mask have to put up with appalling attitudes when the people who feel their lives are at risk could stay indoors and not go to the supermarket. Like I said the government recognises certain people cannot wear a mask and these people are not being asked to stay-at-home by anybody in authority. I've made my point very clear and so has the government so I don't know why people have an issue with this. Dont we all feel our lives are at risk ? I feel my life is more risk from the people that are wearing face coverings but get too close, Touch everything and put it back, Aren't using hand sanitizer than someone who can't wear one but is keeping their distance. So those who dont wear a face covering keep their distance? Unlikely. Supermarket spread is rife and bearing in mind the vast majority of people are wearing face coverings, I suggest the problem is not the 3 or 4 that can't in each supermarket. Its easy to blame a small group of people rather than everyone taking responsibility for their actions and behaviour." 3 or 4 what supermarket do you shop in. I see loads and most im sure are not exempt. Whole families. Please tell me your supermarket so I can shop there. Ive been once in 4 weeks. I prefer not to go and shop online if I can | |||
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"Personally I don't see the problem. Shops are private businesses and as such can allow and deny entry. If there's a "no mask, no entry" policy, whether you're exempt or not from wearing a mask, they don't have to let you in! It's not discriminatory and you don't have a right to enter private property. Same argument used here by people complaining they can't get pussy because (add whine of choice) as people are (add ist of choice)." Agreed! X | |||
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"Discussed in depth https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/virus/1111316 Yes but unfortunately there are still uninformed attitudes so obviously still needs to be discussed. These are not uninformed attitudes. If those who can wear a face covering to protect others-(we all have a duty not to spread this)then the same should apply to everyone. Why should i put my life at risk by being in a space where covid is spread by a face covering not being worn." Agreed I have 2 work a 7 he shift 5 days a week it's not right and totally unfair I have to b put at risk along with my colleagues! X | |||
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"Discussed in depth https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/virus/1111316 Yes but unfortunately there are still uninformed attitudes so obviously still needs to be discussed. These are not uninformed attitudes. If those who can wear a face covering to protect others-(we all have a duty not to spread this)then the same should apply to everyone. Why should i put my life at risk by being in a space where covid is spread by a face covering not being worn. Well then let's flip it on its head, why should someone who cannot wear a mask have to put up with appalling attitudes when the people who feel their lives are at risk could stay indoors and not go to the supermarket. Like I said the government recognises certain people cannot wear a mask and these people are not being asked to stay-at-home by anybody in authority. I've made my point very clear and so has the government so I don't know why people have an issue with this. Dont we all feel our lives are at risk ? I feel my life is more risk from the people that are wearing face coverings but get too close, Touch everything and put it back, Aren't using hand sanitizer than someone who can't wear one but is keeping their distance. So those who dont wear a face covering keep their distance? Unlikely. I feel my life is being put at risk by people advocating that its ok not to wear a face covering . I am not advocating that I am advocating that there are people who genuinely cannot where one there is a huge difference. I am one of those who genuinely couldnt wear one to begin with.(for reasons i wont divulge) I trained myself indoors and gradually increased the time so i can now wear a mask for an hour . You have your opinion, i have mine . Its irresponsible to not wear a mask. " Exactly! Well done some dont want to bother trying it seems! X | |||
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"If somebody could point me the way of a scientific study which says that masks actually work I’d be happy to read it? That might change people’s minds when it comes to wearing a mask. There is simply not enough evidence to show wearing a masks work. There was a study in Denmark across about 3000 people and this study actually shown that masks didn’t prevent the spread of Covid 19. If you were told wearing a chair on your head would prevent you getting cancer would you wear one? Any sane person would ask for the evidence that wearing a chair on your head would work. It doesn’t and neither do masks." Just stands to reason its gotta b better than without? Breathing/coughing/sneezing all over place? Just common sense? X | |||
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"According to the national statistics the biggest problem is people not self isolating after being told to buy track and trace. Only 30% of people are so." We love statistics | |||
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"According to the national statistics the biggest problem is people not self isolating after being told to buy track and trace. Only 30% of people are so. We love statistics" There was a thread A-day ago with someone saying they have been told to self isolate, That person has just put on this thread they were back at work today so I'm thinking that maybe the bigger problem. | |||
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"Many people are forced to stay at home at the moment for one reason or another and have made arrangements to get food - volunteers, friends or home deliveries. I have yet to hear of anyone starving to death in the UK through not being able to go to the supermarket. People unable to wear masks for whatever reason are selfishly putting lives at risk because they feel that their right to buy a box of cornflakes is more important to other peoples' right to be safe and stay alive. I am all in favour of equality, but so many at the moment are eschewing those rights to help others. Just because you have the legal right to be selfish doesn't mean you always should. " x | |||
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"If somebody could point me the way of a scientific study which says that masks actually work I’d be happy to read it? That might change people’s minds when it comes to wearing a mask. There is simply not enough evidence to show wearing a masks work. There was a study in Denmark across about 3000 people and this study actually shown that masks didn’t prevent the spread of Covid 19. If you were told wearing a chair on your head would prevent you getting cancer would you wear one? Any sane person would ask for the evidence that wearing a chair on your head would work. It doesn’t and neither do masks." You have been told by scientists, but you are choosing to ignore them. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02801-8 Feel free to do a simple Google search and there is plenty of studies out there. Those who debunk the science tend to do so off anacdotal evidence rather than the science. Ie I know of someone who wore a face mask and still got covid. Well yes it's about reducing risk not eliminating risk. But very few people actually understand risk as very few people actually enjoy statistics and understanding them. | |||
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"I have been cleared to return to work today!!!!! I have it in black and white well blue actually as per the nhs email!!!!!" You said yesterday on your lucky thread that you had been told to self isolate for 10 days so that's where the confusion has come in. A negative test does not negate the 10 day isolation so if you have been told you can return to work that's fine but it just contradicts what you said yesterday that's all. | |||
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"Discussed in depth https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/virus/1111316 Yes but unfortunately there are still uninformed attitudes so obviously still needs to be discussed. These are not uninformed attitudes. If those who can wear a face covering to protect others-(we all have a duty not to spread this)then the same should apply to everyone. Why should i put my life at risk by being in a space where covid is spread by a face covering not being worn. Well then let's flip it on its head, why should someone who cannot wear a mask have to put up with appalling attitudes when the people who feel their lives are at risk could stay indoors and not go to the supermarket. Like I said the government recognises certain people cannot wear a mask and these people are not being asked to stay-at-home by anybody in authority. I've made my point very clear and so has the government so I don't know why people have an issue with this. Dont we all feel our lives are at risk ? I feel my life is more risk from the people that are wearing face coverings but get too close, Touch everything and put it back, Aren't using hand sanitizer than someone who can't wear one but is keeping their distance. So those who dont wear a face covering keep their distance? Unlikely. I feel my life is being put at risk by people advocating that its ok not to wear a face covering . I am not advocating that I am advocating that there are people who genuinely cannot where one there is a huge difference. I am one of those who genuinely couldnt wear one to begin with.(for reasons i wont divulge) I trained myself indoors and gradually increased the time so i can now wear a mask for an hour . You have your opinion, i have mine . Its irresponsible to not wear a mask. Exactly! Well done some dont want to bother trying it seems! X" I appreciate the work you do .Stay safe x | |||
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"I am not a liar and did not say I had to self isolate !" I've just looked at the thread and you said you had an email and when someone said you should self isolate you said yes you were going to anyway. I haven't made that up its on the thread and if you have been told by track and Trace you can go back to work that's fine but like I said it just seems to contradict what you had said yesterday. Thank you for clarifying because like I said it was just confusing. | |||
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"Discussed in depth https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/virus/1111316 Yes but unfortunately there are still uninformed attitudes so obviously still needs to be discussed. These are not uninformed attitudes. If those who can wear a face covering to protect others-(we all have a duty not to spread this)then the same should apply to everyone. Why should i put my life at risk by being in a space where covid is spread by a face covering not being worn. Well then let's flip it on its head, why should someone who cannot wear a mask have to put up with appalling attitudes when the people who feel their lives are at risk could stay indoors and not go to the supermarket. Like I said the government recognises certain people cannot wear a mask and these people are not being asked to stay-at-home by anybody in authority. I've made my point very clear and so has the government so I don't know why people have an issue with this. Dont we all feel our lives are at risk ? I feel my life is more risk from the people that are wearing face coverings but get too close, Touch everything and put it back, Aren't using hand sanitizer than someone who can't wear one but is keeping their distance. So those who dont wear a face covering keep their distance? Unlikely. I feel my life is being put at risk by people advocating that its ok not to wear a face covering . I am not advocating that I am advocating that there are people who genuinely cannot where one there is a huge difference. I am one of those who genuinely couldnt wear one to begin with.(for reasons i wont divulge) I trained myself indoors and gradually increased the time so i can now wear a mask for an hour . You have your opinion, i have mine . Its irresponsible to not wear a mask. Exactly! Well done some dont want to bother trying it seems! X I appreciate the work you do .Stay safe x" Ty x | |||
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"Well if I told you that wearing the chair on your head would prevent you breathing in any pollution thus preventing you getting some sort of cancer... that might stand to reason but I doubt you would do it. Covid 19 is an airborne virus, it spreads through particles in the air. The mask would have to be air tight for it to work, air tight masks aren’t very good as they stop you from breathing! Let us not forget this is a virus with a 99.8% survival rate. It’s even has a 95% survival rate for the over 70s and that’s without any medical treatment. The average age of people it does kill is 82.4, as sad as that is people die when they get old. One day we might get a killer virus that warrants this kind of reaction, Covid 19 is not that virus." I don’t think being alive or being dead is the only way judge how dangerous a virus is. I know lots of people (all ages) still very poorly months on. And I know a few young staff members with no illnesses who have unfortunately and sadly left families behind. Any virus that’s mankind anyone poorly or die younger should be treat fairly seriously. Just wish it brought people together rather than arguing constantly | |||
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"But they recognise the fact that not all people can wear them according to the recorded message they play when I was there this morning. " Same as Tescos | |||
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"HMG Covid rules state this: Exemption cards If you have an age, health or disability reason for not wearing a face covering: you do not routinely need to show any written evidence of this you do not need show an exemption card This means that you do not need to seek advice or request a letter from a medical professional about your reason for not wearing a face covering. However, some people may feel more comfortable showing something that says they do not have to wear a face covering. This could be in the form of an exemption card, badge or even a home-made sign. Carrying an exemption card or badge is a personal choice and is not required by law." You are correct, it isn't required by law. However can anyone come up with a reasonable excuse for not wearing a face shield if you cannot where a mask. If you are fit enough to go to the shops, you are fit enough to wear some means of facial shield for an hour. | |||
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"Well if I told you that wearing the chair on your head would prevent you breathing in any pollution thus preventing you getting some sort of cancer... that might stand to reason but I doubt you would do it. Covid 19 is an airborne virus, it spreads through particles in the air. The mask would have to be air tight for it to work, air tight masks aren’t very good as they stop you from breathing! Let us not forget this is a virus with a 99.8% survival rate. It’s even has a 95% survival rate for the over 70s and that’s without any medical treatment. The average age of people it does kill is 82.4, as sad as that is people die when they get old. One day we might get a killer virus that warrants this kind of reaction, Covid 19 is not that virus." As I already said its about reducing transmission and reducing risk not eliminating it. Read the science. | |||
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"If somebody could point me the way of a scientific study which says that masks actually work I’d be happy to read it? That might change people’s minds when it comes to wearing a mask. There is simply not enough evidence to show wearing a masks work. There was a study in Denmark across about 3000 people and this study actually shown that masks didn’t prevent the spread of Covid 19. If you were told wearing a chair on your head would prevent you getting cancer would you wear one? Any sane person would ask for the evidence that wearing a chair on your head would work. It doesn’t and neither do masks. You have been told by scientists, but you are choosing to ignore them. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02801-8 Feel free to do a simple Google search and there is plenty of studies out there. Those who debunk the science tend to do so off anacdotal evidence rather than the science. Ie I know of someone who wore a face mask and still got covid. Well yes it's about reducing risk not eliminating risk. But very few people actually understand risk as very few people actually enjoy statistics and understanding them. " This is not a scientific study, it’s an article stating masks work. Completely different. I’m not trying to debunk anything... I’m just asking for evidence to prove masks work? There isn’t any and believe me if there was it would have been published all over the place. You say I’m being told by scientists that they do work? But I’m also being told by other scientists that they don’t and these scientists have actually backed it up with evidence... | |||
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"I never said that at all! And thank u for permission to return to work!!!!" You are taking what I have said wrong I simply asked a question based on a thread you put up yesterday. | |||
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"Well if I told you that wearing the chair on your head would prevent you breathing in any pollution thus preventing you getting some sort of cancer... that might stand to reason but I doubt you would do it. Covid 19 is an airborne virus, it spreads through particles in the air. The mask would have to be air tight for it to work, air tight masks aren’t very good as they stop you from breathing! Let us not forget this is a virus with a 99.8% survival rate. It’s even has a 95% survival rate for the over 70s and that’s without any medical treatment. The average age of people it does kill is 82.4, as sad as that is people die when they get old. One day we might get a killer virus that warrants this kind of reaction, Covid 19 is not that virus. I don’t think being alive or being dead is the only way judge how dangerous a virus is. I know lots of people (all ages) still very poorly months on. And I know a few young staff members with no illnesses who have unfortunately and sadly left families behind. Any virus that’s mankind anyone poorly or die younger should be treat fairly seriously. Just wish it brought people together rather than arguing constantly "I couldn’t agree more but this debate is about wearing masks and if they work or not... I’m not saying there isn’t a virus and I’m not saying I don’t care if people die, I think any death is tragic but it is a fact of life. And I’m not arguing, it’s simply a debate and I think that’s good. Especially at times like this. | |||
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"Well if I told you that wearing the chair on your head would prevent you breathing in any pollution thus preventing you getting some sort of cancer... that might stand to reason but I doubt you would do it. Covid 19 is an airborne virus, it spreads through particles in the air. The mask would have to be air tight for it to work, air tight masks aren’t very good as they stop you from breathing! Let us not forget this is a virus with a 99.8% survival rate. It’s even has a 95% survival rate for the over 70s and that’s without any medical treatment. The average age of people it does kill is 82.4, as sad as that is people die when they get old. One day we might get a killer virus that warrants this kind of reaction, Covid 19 is not that virus. I don’t think being alive or being dead is the only way judge how dangerous a virus is. I know lots of people (all ages) still very poorly months on. And I know a few young staff members with no illnesses who have unfortunately and sadly left families behind. Any virus that’s mankind anyone poorly or die younger should be treat fairly seriously. Just wish it brought people together rather than arguing constantly
I couldn’t agree more but this debate is about wearing masks and if they work or not... I’m not saying there isn’t a virus and I’m not saying I don’t care if people die, I think any death is tragic but it is a fact of life.
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"If we are talking about the spead in supermarkets. I think the biggest cause of the spread is done to the supermarkets not limiting the amount of people they allow in. Back in march they all did a good job on keeping the capacity down but since the wearing of masks they have giving up on this. But our strain ,the south African and Brazilian stains which are much more virulent then last year...they need to get their own houses in order and not just use masks as a excuse in my opinion..." Well said. | |||
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"Discussed in depth https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/virus/1111316 Yes but unfortunately there are still uninformed attitudes so obviously still needs to be discussed. These are not uninformed attitudes. If those who can wear a face covering to protect others-(we all have a duty not to spread this)then the same should apply to everyone. Why should i put my life at risk by being in a space where covid is spread by a face covering not being worn. Well then let's flip it on its head, why should someone who cannot wear a mask have to put up with appalling attitudes when the people who feel their lives are at risk could stay indoors and not go to the supermarket. Like I said the government recognises certain people cannot wear a mask and these people are not being asked to stay-at-home by anybody in authority. I've made my point very clear and so has the government so I don't know why people have an issue with this." First off, I think people are talking about it because they don't agree with it and have some very valid points that simply shouldn't be dismissed out of hand. Secondly, Just because the government say or decide to do something does not mean by a million miles that it is the correct way to do it. Everything should be open to discussion and scrutiny. Going by your argument that people shouldn't have an issue with current government guidance then people shouldn't have had an issue with any government decisions such as Wars in Iraq, Afghanistan etc. The Windrush issue. The Poll Tax Coal mine closures Drastically reducing funding to the NHS Arms sales to Saudi Arabia and other despot states So no, I don't think people who disagree with the government should shut up and not discuss the issue. Just my opinion | |||
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I couldn’t agree more but this debate is about wearing masks and if they work or not... I’m not saying there isn’t a virus and I’m not saying I don’t care if people die, I think any death is tragic but it is a fact of life.
And I’m not arguing, it’s simply a debate and I think that’s good. Especially at times like this.
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"Lorna ... you go shopping in supermarkets that aren’t bothered .... if you can find one - your choice! I’ll go shopping in those that have imposed mandatory wearing (all of them) and where I feel safer - my choice! None of the main supermarkets have said that people who have an exemption cannot come into store. Absolutely none so good luck finding a supermarket that says you cannot come in even with an exemption." | |||
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"Like Candyfloss, I work in a supermarket. Myself and my colleagues have worked right the way through this pandemic and put up with abuse and downright ignorance from many "customers"! This new variant is so much more infectious that the first one and has meant that 20% of us are either off with it or self isolating because of contact.That means, like the hospitals, we are under immense pressure and strain to keep stores open. While I have great sympathy with "vulnerable people" this variant is a game changer to what the rules need to be. For shopworkers and customers safety face coverings, either a mask or a visor MUST be worn in enclosed spaces and 2 meter rule applied. People on here talk about people's liberties and discrimination, ask the 85,000 families of those who have died about that. Please , please use common sense!" Exactly! I have said many times I have every empathy for people with disabilities have an adult child with aspergers! And u know what if she couldnt wear a mask I would say to her do u really think u should b going into a shop without one putting others at risk! I'm sure she would see that it would b best not to! No one is saying strip people of their rights ! Its a case of doing what is right for everyone in these drastic times! X | |||
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"Discussed in depth https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/virus/1111316 Yes but unfortunately there are still uninformed attitudes so obviously still needs to be discussed. These are not uninformed attitudes. If those who can wear a face covering to protect others-(we all have a duty not to spread this)then the same should apply to everyone. Why should i put my life at risk by being in a space where covid is spread by a face covering not being worn. Well then let's flip it on its head, why should someone who cannot wear a mask have to put up with appalling attitudes when the people who feel their lives are at risk could stay indoors and not go to the supermarket. Like I said the government recognises certain people cannot wear a mask and these people are not being asked to stay-at-home by anybody in authority. I've made my point very clear and so has the government so I don't know why people have an issue with this. Dont we all feel our lives are at risk ? I feel my life is more risk from the people that are wearing face coverings but get too close, Touch everything and put it back, Aren't using hand sanitizer than someone who can't wear one but is keeping their distance. So those who dont wear a face covering keep their distance? Unlikely. I feel my life is being put at risk by people advocating that its ok not to wear a face covering . I don’t believe Lorna is advocating that though reading her posts. More advocating for people genuinely unable too xx" I fully understand that but it's the impossibility of being able to identify who can and who cannot that is causing this problem. There's quite a few aspects to take into consideration. 1: Can the use of face coverings reduce the risk of infecting others. That has to be a yes. 2: Can Covid-19 kill you. Unfortunately statistics overwhelmingly say yes. 3: Can Covid-19 infect everyone. Yes 4: Does not using a face mask increase the risk of infecting others. Yes. So how do you "not" increase the risk of infection by legally allowing people to not use a face covering. That unfortunately is impossible. Which option can cause the most or least distress and harm to the general public ? 1: Mandatory use of face coverings in all public places for everyone. This adversely effects a realistically tiny minority of the population. 2: Continue as we are allowing people not to be challenged on using a face covering. This can adversely effect everyone in society. That is unfortunately the truth of the matter top to bottom, choosing who gets negatively impacted by trying to protect society as a whole during the pandemic. That's why a lot of people think the government are wrong putting measures in place to protect the rights and freedoms of a tiny minority while simultaneously increasing the risk to public health of everyone. It's an extremely sensitive situation but it must be weighted in the national interest. | |||
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"Discussed in depth https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/virus/1111316 Yes but unfortunately there are still uninformed attitudes so obviously still needs to be discussed. These are not uninformed attitudes. If those who can wear a face covering to protect others-(we all have a duty not to spread this)then the same should apply to everyone. Why should i put my life at risk by being in a space where covid is spread by a face covering not being worn. Well then let's flip it on its head, why should someone who cannot wear a mask have to put up with appalling attitudes when the people who feel their lives are at risk could stay indoors and not go to the supermarket. Like I said the government recognises certain people cannot wear a mask and these people are not being asked to stay-at-home by anybody in authority. I've made my point very clear and so has the government so I don't know why people have an issue with this. Dont we all feel our lives are at risk ? I feel my life is more risk from the people that are wearing face coverings but get too close, Touch everything and put it back, Aren't using hand sanitizer than someone who can't wear one but is keeping their distance. So those who dont wear a face covering keep their distance? Unlikely. I feel my life is being put at risk by people advocating that its ok not to wear a face covering . I don’t believe Lorna is advocating that though reading her posts. More advocating for people genuinely unable too xx I fully understand that but it's the impossibility of being able to identify who can and who cannot that is causing this problem. There's quite a few aspects to take into consideration. 1: Can the use of face coverings reduce the risk of infecting others. That has to be a yes. 2: Can Covid-19 kill you. Unfortunately statistics overwhelmingly say yes. 3: Can Covid-19 infect everyone. Yes 4: Does not using a face mask increase the risk of infecting others. Yes. So how do you "not" increase the risk of infection by legally allowing people to not use a face covering. That unfortunately is impossible. Which option can cause the most or least distress and harm to the general public ? 1: Mandatory use of face coverings in all public places for everyone. This adversely effects a realistically tiny minority of the population. 2: Continue as we are allowing people not to be challenged on using a face covering. This can adversely effect everyone in society. That is unfortunately the truth of the matter top to bottom, choosing who gets negatively impacted by trying to protect society as a whole during the pandemic. That's why a lot of people think the government are wrong putting measures in place to protect the rights and freedoms of a tiny minority while simultaneously increasing the risk to public health of everyone. It's an extremely sensitive situation but it must be weighted in the national interest. " | |||
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"Discussed in depth https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/virus/1111316 Yes but unfortunately there are still uninformed attitudes so obviously still needs to be discussed. These are not uninformed attitudes. If those who can wear a face covering to protect others-(we all have a duty not to spread this)then the same should apply to everyone. Why should i put my life at risk by being in a space where covid is spread by a face covering not being worn. Well then let's flip it on its head, why should someone who cannot wear a mask have to put up with appalling attitudes when the people who feel their lives are at risk could stay indoors and not go to the supermarket. Like I said the government recognises certain people cannot wear a mask and these people are not being asked to stay-at-home by anybody in authority. I've made my point very clear and so has the government so I don't know why people have an issue with this. Dont we all feel our lives are at risk ? I feel my life is more risk from the people that are wearing face coverings but get too close, Touch everything and put it back, Aren't using hand sanitizer than someone who can't wear one but is keeping their distance. So those who dont wear a face covering keep their distance? Unlikely. I feel my life is being put at risk by people advocating that its ok not to wear a face covering . I don’t believe Lorna is advocating that though reading her posts. More advocating for people genuinely unable too xx I fully understand that but it's the impossibility of being able to identify who can and who cannot that is causing this problem. There's quite a few aspects to take into consideration. 1: Can the use of face coverings reduce the risk of infecting others. That has to be a yes. It’s not a yes... there is no evidence to suggest it does, there is evidence (see Denmark study) to suggest it doesn’t. 2: Can Covid-19 kill you. Unfortunately statistics overwhelmingly say yes. 3: Can Covid-19 infect everyone. Yes 4: Does not using a face mask increase the risk of infecting others. Yes. As above, not true and unproven. So how do you "not" increase the risk of infection by legally allowing people to not use a face covering. That unfortunately is impossible. Which option can cause the most or least distress and harm to the general public ? 1: Mandatory use of face coverings in all public places for everyone. This adversely effects a realistically tiny minority of the population. 2: Continue as we are allowing people not to be challenged on using a face covering. This can adversely effect everyone in society. That is unfortunately the truth of the matter top to bottom, choosing who gets negatively impacted by trying to protect society as a whole during the pandemic. That's why a lot of people think the government are wrong putting measures in place to protect the rights and freedoms of a tiny minority while simultaneously increasing the risk to public health of everyone. It's an extremely sensitive situation but it must be weighted in the national interest. " We have to ask for evidence that masks work... I’m afraid there isn’t any. | |||
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"If somebody could point me the way of a scientific study which says that masks actually work I’d be happy to read it? That might change people’s minds when it comes to wearing a mask. There is simply not enough evidence to show wearing a masks work. There was a study in Denmark across about 3000 people and this study actually shown that masks didn’t prevent the spread of Covid 19. " If you only search for information that you want to spread then that's very easy. You say masks don't work. Whak at what exactly? Masks reduce the chance of spreading infection, they have never been claimed to prevent, stop, make impossible transmission of infection. | |||
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"If somebody could point me the way of a scientific study which says that masks actually work I’d be happy to read it? That might change people’s minds when it comes to wearing a mask. There is simply not enough evidence to show wearing a masks work. There was a study in Denmark across about 3000 people and this study actually shown that masks didn’t prevent the spread of Covid 19. If you only search for information that you want to spread then that's very easy. You say masks don't work. Whak at what exactly? Masks reduce the chance of spreading infection, they have never been claimed to prevent, stop, make impossible transmission of infection. " | |||
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"If somebody could point me the way of a scientific study which says that masks actually work I’d be happy to read it? That might change people’s minds when it comes to wearing a mask. There is simply not enough evidence to show wearing a masks work. There was a study in Denmark across about 3000 people and this study actually shown that masks didn’t prevent the spread of Covid 19. If you only search for information that you want to spread then that's very easy. You say masks don't work. Whak at what exactly? Masks reduce the chance of spreading infection, they have never been claimed to prevent, stop, make impossible transmission of infection. " In which case perhaps you could find this evidence for me? I’m not searching out science that suits... there is simply no evidence that masks reduce the chance of spreading. The Denmark study I mentioned was peer reviewed and is the largest study into weather masks help prevent the spread of Covid 19. That study clearly shows that masks do not reduce the spread of Covid 19. | |||
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" We have to ask for evidence that masks work... I’m afraid there isn’t any." There is plenty of evidence that they do work. The only article I could find that suggests they don't was, perhaps unsurprisingly, in the Daily Mail. A quick quote from The Lancet - "But in May 2020, after reviewing scientific evidence, the Department of Health said: “Face coverings can help us protect each other and reduce the spread of the disease if you are suffering from coronavirus but not showing symptoms.” The WHO now recommends wearing masks in public spaces where social distancing is not possible." | |||
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"HMG Covid rules state this: Exemption cards If you have an age, health or disability reason for not wearing a face covering: you do not routinely need to show any written evidence of this you do not need show an exemption card This means that you do not need to seek advice or request a letter from a medical professional about your reason for not wearing a face covering. However, some people may feel more comfortable showing something that says they do not have to wear a face covering. This could be in the form of an exemption card, badge or even a home-made sign. Carrying an exemption card or badge is a personal choice and is not required by law." Did anyone say it was required by law? | |||
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" We have to ask for evidence that masks work... I’m afraid there isn’t any. There is plenty of evidence that they do work. The only article I could find that suggests they don't was, perhaps unsurprisingly, in the Daily Mail. A quick quote from The Lancet - "But in May 2020, after reviewing scientific evidence, the Department of Health said: “Face coverings can help us protect each other and reduce the spread of the disease if you are suffering from coronavirus but not showing symptoms.” The WHO now recommends wearing masks in public spaces where social distancing is not possible."" There’s evidence to suggest it stops airborne particles travelling as far and therefore possibly reducing infection through that means ... if we’re being pedantic where is the evidence that mask wearing reduced the risk of covid spreading full stop? (In al means) As said earlier, unless your using them correctly (clinically) I’d bet every penny I have that people’s hands are “dirtier” with virus particles than without masks. But of course there’s no evidence to back this up... yet lol! | |||
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"If somebody could point me the way of a scientific study which says that masks actually work I’d be happy to read it? That might change people’s minds when it comes to wearing a mask. There is simply not enough evidence to show wearing a masks work. There was a study in Denmark across about 3000 people and this study actually shown that masks didn’t prevent the spread of Covid 19. If you only search for information that you want to spread then that's very easy. You say masks don't work. Whak at what exactly? Masks reduce the chance of spreading infection, they have never been claimed to prevent, stop, make impossible transmission of infection. " And reduce the viral load. | |||
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"If somebody could point me the way of a scientific study which says that masks actually work I’d be happy to read it? That might change people’s minds when it comes to wearing a mask. There is simply not enough evidence to show wearing a masks work. There was a study in Denmark across about 3000 people and this study actually shown that masks didn’t prevent the spread of Covid 19. If you only search for information that you want to spread then that's very easy. You say masks don't work. Whak at what exactly? Masks reduce the chance of spreading infection, they have never been claimed to prevent, stop, make impossible transmission of infection. In which case perhaps you could find this evidence for me? I’m not searching out science that suits... there is simply no evidence that masks reduce the chance of spreading. The Denmark study I mentioned was peer reviewed and is the largest study into weather masks help prevent the spread of Covid 19. That study clearly shows that masks do not reduce the spread of Covid 19." The Denmark Study has been evaluated independently and has been found to be flawed in many areas. "DANMASK-19, the first trial of mask use during covid-19, was “negative.” Masks didn’t work. We knew this before the trial was published because we were told so on social media. The authors were reported by the media to be struggling to find a major journal for their trial. Journals weren’t proving brave enough to publish the study, said the authors, and they didn’t make a preprint available. When the mythical trial was finally published last week in the Annals of Internal Medicine we didn’t need to read it. We already knew its damning verdict on mask wearing. Social media told us as much. Eminent professors of evidence based medicine, Carl Heneghan and Tom Jefferson, confirmed this in an article for the Spectator. Except that if you read the published paper you find almost the exact opposite. The trial is inconclusive rather than negative, and it points to a likely benefit of mask wearing to the wearer—it did not examine the wider potential benefit of reduced spread of infection to others—and this even in a population where mask wearing isn’t mandatory and prevalence of infection is low." | |||
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" We have to ask for evidence that masks work... I’m afraid there isn’t any. There is plenty of evidence that they do work. The only article I could find that suggests they don't was, perhaps unsurprisingly, in the Daily Mail. A quick quote from The Lancet - "But in May 2020, after reviewing scientific evidence, the Department of Health said: “Face coverings can help us protect each other and reduce the spread of the disease if you are suffering from coronavirus but not showing symptoms.” The WHO now recommends wearing masks in public spaces where social distancing is not possible."" I’m afraid The Lancet also need evidence. These are the people that said using hydroxcloroquin was ineffective despite doctors all over the world prescribing it successfully. Google that and you will see they had to retract their statement as it was untrue. This is from the British Medical Journal about the Denmark study, peer reviewed, fact based science. https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4586/rr-6 | |||
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"If somebody could point me the way of a scientific study which says that masks actually work I’d be happy to read it? That might change people’s minds when it comes to wearing a mask. There is simply not enough evidence to show wearing a masks work. There was a study in Denmark across about 3000 people and this study actually shown that masks didn’t prevent the spread of Covid 19. If you only search for information that you want to spread then that's very easy. You say masks don't work. Whak at what exactly? Masks reduce the chance of spreading infection, they have never been claimed to prevent, stop, make impossible transmission of infection. In which case perhaps you could find this evidence for me? I’m not searching out science that suits... there is simply no evidence that masks reduce the chance of spreading. The Denmark study I mentioned was peer reviewed and is the largest study into weather masks help prevent the spread of Covid 19. That study clearly shows that masks do not reduce the spread of Covid 19. The Denmark Study has been evaluated independently and has been found to be flawed in many areas. "DANMASK-19, the first trial of mask use during covid-19, was “negative.” Masks didn’t work. We knew this before the trial was published because we were told so on social media. The authors were reported by the media to be struggling to find a major journal for their trial. Journals weren’t proving brave enough to publish the study, said the authors, and they didn’t make a preprint available. When the mythical trial was finally published last week in the Annals of Internal Medicine we didn’t need to read it. We already knew its damning verdict on mask wearing. Social media told us as much. Eminent professors of evidence based medicine, Carl Heneghan and Tom Jefferson, confirmed this in an article for the Spectator. Except that if you read the published paper you find almost the exact opposite. The trial is inconclusive rather than negative, and it points to a likely benefit of mask wearing to the wearer—it did not examine the wider potential benefit of reduced spread of infection to others—and this even in a population where mask wearing isn’t mandatory and prevalence of infection is low." " What is the source? | |||
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"Absolutely sick to death of idiots and sceptics and non conformists just pleasing themselves. Just comply, be sensible and the whole country can come through the other side of this a whole lot quicker. There's so many selfish self entitled wankers in our society."  WOW and i thought i was harsh  | |||
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"Absolutely sick to death of idiots and sceptics and non conformists just pleasing themselves. Just comply, be sensible and the whole country can come through the other side of this a whole lot quicker. There's so many selfish self entitled wankers in our society. WOW and i thought i was harsh "That's not harsh that's fact | |||
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"Absolutely sick to death of idiots and sceptics and non conformists just pleasing themselves. Just comply, be sensible and the whole country can come through the other side of this a whole lot quicker. There's so many selfish self entitled wankers in our society." I totally agree, there is no reason anyone cannot put a face shield on if not a mask  | |||
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That's not harsh that's fact "True... people just don’t give a shit unless it directly affects them! | |||
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That's not harsh that's fact "If we dealt in facts we wouldn’t be wearing masks. It’s not ideal when people don’t agree with you but it’s a fact of life. Not everyone thinks the same and just because you think differently doesn’t make you wrong or selfish. Debate is good, turning it toxic isn’t... but that’s just my opinion of course. | |||
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That's not harsh that's fact "I agree but when I said similar it was met with some hostility | |||
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"Absolutely sick to death of idiots and sceptics and non conformists just pleasing themselves. Just comply, be sensible and the whole country can come through the other side of this a whole lot quicker. There's so many selfish self entitled wankers in our society. WOW and i thought i was harsh "Perhaps without the vernacular.... but bang on .. applauding emoji! | |||
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That's not harsh that's fact
I agree but when I said similar it was met with some hostility "I hope you didn’t find me hostile
I absolutely agree there are LOADS of idiots and selfish wankers out there.
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"Absolutely sick to death of idiots and sceptics and non conformists just pleasing themselves. Just comply, be sensible and the whole country can come through the other side of this a whole lot quicker. There's so many selfish self entitled wankers in our society. WOW and i thought i was harsh
That's not harsh that's fact
If we dealt in facts we wouldn’t be wearing masks. It’s not ideal when people don’t agree with you but it’s a fact of life. Not everyone thinks the same and just because you think differently doesn’t make you wrong or selfish. Debate is good, turning it toxic isn’t... but that’s just my opinion of course."You are entitled to your opinion, i am entitled to mine . I will continue to follow the rules and wear a mask when outside of my home. | |||
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That's not harsh that's fact
If we dealt in facts we wouldn’t be wearing masks. It’s not ideal when people don’t agree with you but it’s a fact of life. Not everyone thinks the same and just because you think differently doesn’t make you wrong or selfish. Debate is good, turning it toxic isn’t... but that’s just my opinion of course.
You are entitled to your opinion, i am entitled to mine .
I will continue to follow the rules and wear a mask when outside of my home. "And that is what is so fantastic about the world we live. Different opinions and choices. You have a right to yours and choose to wear a mask just as a none mask wearer has a right to theirs and the choice not to wear one. | |||
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"Personally I don't see the problem. Shops are private businesses and as such can allow and deny entry. If there's a "no mask, no entry" policy, whether you're exempt or not from wearing a mask, they don't have to let you in! It's not discriminatory and you don't have a right to enter private property. Same argument used here by people complaining they can't get pussy because (add whine of choice) as people are (add ist of choice). Of course it's discrimination which is why the majority of shops aren't still exert thankfully because they have some common sense. Everybody is assuming this is temporary but the chances are we will be told to wear face coverings in public for a least another year and a 1/2 so those of you who are advocating people that cannot where one are shut away really do need to have a think about what you are suggesting that we do with the most Vulnerable in our society." They are not enforcing it because they want people to spend in their stores. You can click and collect, shop online etc but they are in their right to protect their staff and other members of the public. No one has a right to enter private oremises. Crying discrimination doesn't alter that. | |||
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". We have to ask for evidence that masks work... I’m afraid there isn’t any. Work in what way? Do you believe that face coverings have zero reduction in the possibility of spreading transmission from the person waring it? If you do why do you think they have been used in medical settings for decades? I'm interested in your answer. " Used in a controlled environment, properly sanitised and not touching it with your hands etc I’m sure they do have their uses, again there is no evidence of this and no studies to show they do work where airborne viruses are concerned. | |||
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"Personally I don't see the problem. Shops are private businesses and as such can allow and deny entry. If there's a "no mask, no entry" policy, whether you're exempt or not from wearing a mask, they don't have to let you in! It's not discriminatory and you don't have a right to enter private property. Same argument used here by people complaining they can't get pussy because (add whine of choice) as people are (add ist of choice). Of course it's discrimination which is why the majority of shops aren't still exert thankfully because they have some common sense. Everybody is assuming this is temporary but the chances are we will be told to wear face coverings in public for a least another year and a 1/2 so those of you who are advocating people that cannot where one are shut away really do need to have a think about what you are suggesting that we do with the most Vulnerable in our society. They are not enforcing it because they want people to spend in their stores. You can click and collect, shop online etc but they are in their right to protect their staff and other members of the public. No one has a right to enter private oremises. Crying discrimination doesn't alter that. " Just out of curiosity... will everyone with this opinion think the same when it comes to “no job if no jab” or can’t holiday here without covid jab? I swear I’m not even being arsey asking that I’m genuinely intrigued x | |||
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"If somebody could point me the way of a scientific study which says that masks actually work I’d be happy to read it? That might change people’s minds when it comes to wearing a mask. There is simply not enough evidence to show wearing a masks work. There was a study in Denmark across about 3000 people and this study actually shown that masks didn’t prevent the spread of Covid 19. If you were told wearing a chair on your head would prevent you getting cancer would you wear one? Any sane person would ask for the evidence that wearing a chair on your head would work. It doesn’t and neither do masks." You're kidding, right? 10 months in, reams and reams of information around how wearing a face mask helps prevent the spread of Covid and people still have this frankly stupid idea? How about simple googling "how do face masks prevent covid" Try the .gov site for a bloody start. And educate yourself. E | |||
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"Discussed in depth https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/virus/1111316 Yes but unfortunately there are still uninformed attitudes so obviously still needs to be discussed. These are not uninformed attitudes. If those who can wear a face covering to protect others-(we all have a duty not to spread this)then the same should apply to everyone. Why should i put my life at risk by being in a space where covid is spread by a face covering not being worn. Well then let's flip it on its head, why should someone who cannot wear a mask have to put up with appalling attitudes when the people who feel their lives are at risk could stay indoors and not go to the supermarket. Like I said the government recognises certain people cannot wear a mask and these people are not being asked to stay-at-home by anybody in authority. I've made my point very clear and so has the government so I don't know why people have an issue with this. Because they are the minority. They don’t need to be in public spaces mixing with people especially when people feel uncomfortable with it " What a mean and nasty person you are. My daughter has severe learning disabilities and cannot wear a mask. So basically you are saying she is a non person and should be locked up even more than she already is? Maybe you think people like her should be terminated during pregnancy!! I don't take her in shops because I am being responsible but we are allowed to go out for daily excerise. | |||
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"Absolutely sick to death of idiots and sceptics and non conformists just pleasing themselves. Just comply, be sensible and the whole country can come through the other side of this a whole lot quicker. There's so many selfish self entitled wankers in our society. WOW and i thought i was harsh
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If we dealt in facts we wouldn’t be wearing masks. It’s not ideal when people don’t agree with you but it’s a fact of life. Not everyone thinks the same and just because you think differently doesn’t make you wrong or selfish. Debate is good, turning it toxic isn’t... but that’s just my opinion of course.
You are entitled to your opinion, i am entitled to mine .
I will continue to follow the rules and wear a mask when outside of my home.
And that is what is so fantastic about the world we live. Different opinions and choices. You have a right to yours and choose to wear a mask just as a none mask wearer has a right to theirs and the choice not to wear one."The difference being i am doing so because the government says wear a face covering. Those who choose not to are going against advice. | |||
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"If somebody could point me the way of a scientific study which says that masks actually work I’d be happy to read it? That might change people’s minds when it comes to wearing a mask. There is simply not enough evidence to show wearing a masks work. There was a study in Denmark across about 3000 people and this study actually shown that masks didn’t prevent the spread of Covid 19. If you only search for information that you want to spread then that's very easy. You say masks don't work. Whak at what exactly? Masks reduce the chance of spreading infection, they have never been claimed to prevent, stop, make impossible transmission of infection. In which case perhaps you could find this evidence for me? I’m not searching out science that suits... there is simply no evidence that masks reduce the chance of spreading. The Denmark study I mentioned was peer reviewed and is the largest study into weather masks help prevent the spread of Covid 19. That study clearly shows that masks do not reduce the spread of Covid 19." Well you stated a study and I'll quote you again, you said... " There was a study in Denmark across about 3000 people and this study actually shown that masks didn’t prevent the spread of Covid 19." So you said masks "didn't prevent" the spreadif covid. Prevent means stop, not allow etc I pointed out that masks are not designed to Prevent, stop, not allow Masks reduce the chance of infection, not prevent. So when I corrected you of your error you now changed your statement to reduce instead of prevent. So as I said, if you now believe masks can't even reduce the chance of transmission, why have medical settings used them for decades? Have they all been wrong all this time? | |||
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"If somebody could point me the way of a scientific study which says that masks actually work I’d be happy to read it? That might change people’s minds when it comes to wearing a mask. There is simply not enough evidence to show wearing a masks work. There was a study in Denmark across about 3000 people and this study actually shown that masks didn’t prevent the spread of Covid 19. If you were told wearing a chair on your head would prevent you getting cancer would you wear one? Any sane person would ask for the evidence that wearing a chair on your head would work. It doesn’t and neither do masks. You're kidding, right? 10 months in, reams and reams of information around how wearing a face mask helps prevent the spread of Covid and people still have this frankly stupid idea? How about simple googling "how do face masks prevent covid" Try the .gov site for a bloody start. And educate yourself. E" There are just as many saying the total opposite, its been studied widely since the early 80's | |||
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"Absolutely sick to death of idiots and sceptics and non conformists just pleasing themselves. Just comply, be sensible and the whole country can come through the other side of this a whole lot quicker. There's so many selfish self entitled wankers in our society. WOW and i thought i was harsh
That's not harsh that's fact
If we dealt in facts we wouldn’t be wearing masks. It’s not ideal when people don’t agree with you but it’s a fact of life. Not everyone thinks the same and just because you think differently doesn’t make you wrong or selfish. Debate is good, turning it toxic isn’t... but that’s just my opinion of course.
You are entitled to your opinion, i am entitled to mine .
I will continue to follow the rules and wear a mask when outside of my home.
And that is what is so fantastic about the world we live. Different opinions and choices. You have a right to yours and choose to wear a mask just as a none mask wearer has a right to theirs and the choice not to wear one.
The difference being i am doing so because the government says wear a face covering.
Those who choose not to are going against advice. "Advice is advice for a reason, it’s a suggestion not an instruction As I said earlier, if there was proper scientific evidence to prove wearing a mask works then I think people would be a lot more likely to wear them. There isn’t the evidence hence the reluctance. | |||
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"Absolutely sick to death of idiots and sceptics and non conformists just pleasing themselves. Just comply, be sensible and the whole country can come through the other side of this a whole lot quicker. There's so many selfish self entitled wankers in our society. WOW and i thought i was harsh
That's not harsh that's fact
If we dealt in facts we wouldn’t be wearing masks. It’s not ideal when people don’t agree with you but it’s a fact of life. Not everyone thinks the same and just because you think differently doesn’t make you wrong or selfish. Debate is good, turning it toxic isn’t... but that’s just my opinion of course.
You are entitled to your opinion, i am entitled to mine .
I will continue to follow the rules and wear a mask when outside of my home.
And that is what is so fantastic about the world we live. Different opinions and choices. You have a right to yours and choose to wear a mask just as a none mask wearer has a right to theirs and the choice not to wear one."And for those that choose not to wear them supermarkets shd have the choice to not let them enter! X | |||
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"Absolutely sick to death of idiots and sceptics and non conformists just pleasing themselves. Just comply, be sensible and the whole country can come through the other side of this a whole lot quicker. There's so many selfish self entitled wankers in our society. WOW and i thought i was harsh
That's not harsh that's fact
If we dealt in facts we wouldn’t be wearing masks. It’s not ideal when people don’t agree with you but it’s a fact of life. Not everyone thinks the same and just because you think differently doesn’t make you wrong or selfish. Debate is good, turning it toxic isn’t... but that’s just my opinion of course.
You are entitled to your opinion, i am entitled to mine .
I will continue to follow the rules and wear a mask when outside of my home.
And that is what is so fantastic about the world we live. Different opinions and choices. You have a right to yours and choose to wear a mask just as a none mask wearer has a right to theirs and the choice not to wear one.
And for those that choose not to wear them supermarkets shd have the choice to not let them enter! X"Agreed . | |||
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". We have to ask for evidence that masks work... I’m afraid there isn’t any. Work in what way? Do you believe that face coverings have zero reduction in the possibility of spreading transmission from the person waring it? If you do why do you think they have been used in medical settings for decades? I'm interested in your answer. Used in a controlled environment, properly sanitised and not touching it with your hands etc I’m sure they do have their uses, again there is no evidence of this and no studies to show they do work where airborne viruses are concerned. " As you avoided answering I'll take it you think face masks have zero, none, nill, nada % reduction of chance of transmission of infection by the person waring one. So a mask cannot reduce even a fraction the distance that particles ejected from the nose and mouth can be propelled. Interesting. | |||
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"If somebody could point me the way of a scientific study which says that masks actually work I’d be happy to read it? That might change people’s minds when it comes to wearing a mask. There is simply not enough evidence to show wearing a masks work. There was a study in Denmark across about 3000 people and this study actually shown that masks didn’t prevent the spread of Covid 19. If you were told wearing a chair on your head would prevent you getting cancer would you wear one? Any sane person would ask for the evidence that wearing a chair on your head would work. It doesn’t and neither do masks. You're kidding, right? 10 months in, reams and reams of information around how wearing a face mask helps prevent the spread of Covid and people still have this frankly stupid idea? How about simple googling "how do face masks prevent covid" Try the .gov site for a bloody start. And educate yourself. E" I have educated myself and that’s the reason I refuse to wear a mask that doesn’t prevent any spread and only adds to the fear. For facts you really shouldn’t consult the .gov website, there have been lots of examples throughout history where governments have said one thing is safe or right to do only for it to be proven wrong years later. | |||
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". We have to ask for evidence that masks work... I’m afraid there isn’t any. Work in what way? Do you believe that face coverings have zero reduction in the possibility of spreading transmission from the person waring it? If you do why do you think they have been used in medical settings for decades? I'm interested in your answer. Used in a controlled environment, properly sanitised and not touching it with your hands etc I’m sure they do have their uses, again there is no evidence of this and no studies to show they do work where airborne viruses are concerned. As you avoided answering I'll take it you think face masks have zero, none, nill, nada % reduction of chance of transmission of infection by the person waring one. So a mask cannot reduce even a fraction the distance that particles ejected from the nose and mouth can be propelled. Interesting. " I didn’t not answer your question, I agreed in a controlled environment they may work but there is no evidence to back this up. For a mask to prevent the spread it would need to be airtight.... airtight masks aren’t great!! | |||
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"If somebody could point me the way of a scientific study which says that masks actually work I’d be happy to read it? That might change people’s minds when it comes to wearing a mask. There is simply not enough evidence to show wearing a masks work. There was a study in Denmark across about 3000 people and this study actually shown that masks didn’t prevent the spread of Covid 19. If you were told wearing a chair on your head would prevent you getting cancer would you wear one? Any sane person would ask for the evidence that wearing a chair on your head would work. It doesn’t and neither do masks. You're kidding, right? 10 months in, reams and reams of information around how wearing a face mask helps prevent the spread of Covid and people still have this frankly stupid idea? How about simple googling "how do face masks prevent covid" Try the .gov site for a bloody start. And educate yourself. E I have educated myself and that’s the reason I refuse to wear a mask that doesn’t prevent any spread and only adds to the fear. For facts you really shouldn’t consult the .gov website, there have been lots of examples throughout history where governments have said one thing is safe or right to do only for it to be proven wrong years later. " With or without proof I would rather someone coughing/sneezing/breathing near me b wearing a mask than not! X | |||
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"If somebody could point me the way of a scientific study which says that masks actually work I’d be happy to read it? That might change people’s minds when it comes to wearing a mask. There is simply not enough evidence to show wearing a masks work. There was a study in Denmark across about 3000 people and this study actually shown that masks didn’t prevent the spread of Covid 19. If you only search for information that you want to spread then that's very easy. You say masks don't work. Whak at what exactly? Masks reduce the chance of spreading infection, they have never been claimed to prevent, stop, make impossible transmission of infection. In which case perhaps you could find this evidence for me? I’m not searching out science that suits... there is simply no evidence that masks reduce the chance of spreading. The Denmark study I mentioned was peer reviewed and is the largest study into weather masks help prevent the spread of Covid 19. That study clearly shows that masks do not reduce the spread of Covid 19. Well you stated a study and I'll quote you again, you said... There was a study in Denmark across about 3000 people and this study actually shown that masks didn’t prevent the spread of Covid 19. So you said masks "didn't prevent" the spreadif covid. Prevent means stop, not allow etc I pointed out that masks are not designed to Prevent, stop, not allow Masks reduce the chance of infection, not prevent. So when I corrected you of your error you now changed your statement to reduce instead of prevent. So as I said, if you now believe masks can't even reduce the chance of transmission, why have medical settings used them for decades? Have they all been wrong all this time? " A medical setting is completely different from somebody walking round a supermarket. This debate is about wearing a mask in a supermarket. They do not prevent, stop, reduce or whatever other words you want to use, the spread of Covid 19. | |||
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"I have educated myself and that’s the reason I refuse to wear a mask that doesn’t prevent any spread and only adds to the fear. For facts you really shouldn’t consult the .gov website, there have been lots of examples throughout history where governments have said one thing is safe or right to do only for it to be proven wrong years later. " I read this .... and some of the others who share the same view ... and am now beginning to understand part of the reason why we are where we are! .. and why it is going to be an even longer slog to get back to a semblance of normality! With so many doing so much to try to get us out of this ... is wearing a mask sooooo much to ask! ... again slapping forehead emoji! | |||
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"I have educated myself and that’s the reason I refuse to wear a mask that doesn’t prevent any spread and only adds to the fear. For facts you really shouldn’t consult the .gov website, there have been lots of examples throughout history where governments have said one thing is safe or right to do only for it to be proven wrong years later. I read this .... and some of the others who share the same view ... and am now beginning to understand part of the reason why we are where we are! .. and why it is going to be an even longer slog to get back to a semblance of normality! With so many doing so much to try to get us out of this ... is wearing a mask sooooo much to ask! ... again slapping forehead emoji!" But they read it on Faecesbook or Twatter so it must be true! | |||
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"HMG Covid rules state this: Exemption cards If you have an age, health or disability reason for not wearing a face covering: you do not routinely need to show any written evidence of this you do not need show an exemption card This means that you do not need to seek advice or request a letter from a medical professional about your reason for not wearing a face covering. However, some people may feel more comfortable showing something that says they do not have to wear a face covering. This could be in the form of an exemption card, badge or even a home-made sign. Carrying an exemption card or badge is a personal choice and is not required by law." It's not but it would be better for all concerned to do so would it not? It's not hard to have proof of exception with you. Some feel it's shaming to have a lanyard, thats just a personal thing and I respect that, then why not just put it in your pocket or handbag and have it available to show without causing a bigger issue. I've no sympathy to anyone who feels they want to make an arguementbthat it's not the law so they don't have to show that they are except. There are many who feel wearing a mask is restricting their liberties but they do it so as not to cause offence. There are those who won't wear them to make a stand and don't care if it causes offense. I think we all need to think more about our actions and a little less about our personal rights. It says a lot more about ourselves than we care to realise. | |||
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"Discussed in depth https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/virus/1111316 Yes but unfortunately there are still uninformed attitudes so obviously still needs to be discussed. These are not uninformed attitudes. If those who can wear a face covering to protect others-(we all have a duty not to spread this)then the same should apply to everyone. Why should i put my life at risk by being in a space where covid is spread by a face covering not being worn. Well then let's flip it on its head, why should someone who cannot wear a mask have to put up with appalling attitudes when the people who feel their lives are at risk could stay indoors and not go to the supermarket. Like I said the government recognises certain people cannot wear a mask and these people are not being asked to stay-at-home by anybody in authority. I've made my point very clear and so has the government so I don't know why people have an issue with this. First off, I think people are talking about it because they don't agree with it and have some very valid points that simply shouldn't be dismissed out of hand. Secondly, Just because the government say or decide to do something does not mean by a million miles that it is the correct way to do it. Everything should be open to discussion and scrutiny. Going by your argument that people shouldn't have an issue with current government guidance then people shouldn't have had an issue with any government decisions such as Wars in Iraq, Afghanistan etc. The Windrush issue. The Poll Tax Coal mine closures Drastically reducing funding to the NHS Arms sales to Saudi Arabia and other despot states So no, I don't think people who disagree with the government should shut up and not discuss the issue. Just my opinion "I think you have more than one axe to grind as far as the government goes . I also think you need to shutup because this time really no one is listening .. there was a point with PT , miners etc etc but this time the whole of our civilisation is under threat and we have to take whatever risks are needed to fix this .. I will put this to you and try to explain .. Regardless of whether you think increasing/ adding new laws onto us is right or wrong . I suggest you have absolutely no choice but to comply with them this time ! I'll tell you why .. because frankly all the science aside , proof non proof right or wrong the bottom line is this .. If we as a society want the ' freedoms' we used to experience back before last year .. or at least some of them We absolutely have to comply with whatever law is put in front of us. Regardless of risk Now that is I will grant you a shitty situation .. However, it is also a ' fait acomplis' there is no choice and there won't be a choice in the future for anyone . Every retailer, business, pub, club and festival organiser , insurer and holiday company currently closed and not able to make any money will make sure of that! Put simply no vaccinated /mask avoiding rebels will be allowed or afforded the same liberties as those who have complied and got with the program and taken the risks associated with it . Is that fair? probably not .. but call it a good deal for the fact that most people will be willing to risk whatever the risk in all this relatively untested stuff is to their health by being tested, vaccinated and until then agree to wear a mask .. Those who refuse , or continue to refuse will absolutely become a 'pariah' in the future' to everyone /unclean' if you will .. it will impact every aspect of their lives and they will suffer because of their dogged determination to exercise their rights over a very futile and unwinnable situation .. Again .. I am not saying it is right .. but what I am saying is there is absolutely no way you will be able to avoid it happening .. that is unless you find somewhere off grid and set up what you want for yourself . I wont want you near me, children, work, supermarket, same beach, hotel, club or pub etc .. because you will be a danger to my health ..or potential one . Whats more the law will back me and make sure you arent a danger in any way . No one wants this kind of future where ' liberties' etc are being eroded away slowly .. for whatever reason? science? genetics, pollution? who knows the virus came into being on our watch and we have a responsibility for dealing with it now and for being able to manage the planet after we have got it under control ..and yes the vaccine may backfire have side effects etc .. but believe me you will have to take it eventually or your life and those who think the same way as part of this current society is totally done 5 years from now The more you complain and argue the more of a pest you will be and sadly that will have an impact on the way the world sees you , reacts to you and the relative freedoms and pleasures it offers you for non compliance .. and thats it .. all this is for the greater good .. bigger than me or you and we have a duty to comply with whatever is about to happen to try to fix this .. end of argument.. | |||
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". We have to ask for evidence that masks work... I’m afraid there isn’t any. Work in what way? Do you believe that face coverings have zero reduction in the possibility of spreading transmission from the person waring it? If you do why do you think they have been used in medical settings for decades? I'm interested in your answer. Used in a controlled environment, properly sanitised and not touching it with your hands etc I’m sure they do have their uses, again there is no evidence of this and no studies to show they do work where airborne viruses are concerned. As you avoided answering I'll take it you think face masks have zero, none, nill, nada % reduction of chance of transmission of infection by the person waring one. So a mask cannot reduce even a fraction the distance that particles ejected from the nose and mouth can be propelled. Interesting. I didn’t not answer your question, I agreed in a controlled environment they may work but there is no evidence to back this up. For a mask to prevent the spread it would need to be airtight.... airtight masks aren’t great!!" Again your twisting what I'm asking you which was rather simple to start with really. Last time lol You said the study didn't prevent transmission I said masks aren't designed to prevent, they reduce You then said the study didn't reduce the chance, which is different to what you originally stated. So I asked your opinion if waring a face mask has a zero % chance of any reduction in transmission You keep flipping and flopping between preventing and reducing which are 2 totally different issues | |||
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"If somebody could point me the way of a scientific study which says that masks actually work I’d be happy to read it? That might change people’s minds when it comes to wearing a mask. There is simply not enough evidence to show wearing a masks work. There was a study in Denmark across about 3000 people and this study actually shown that masks didn’t prevent the spread of Covid 19. If you only search for information that you want to spread then that's very easy. You say masks don't work. Whak at what exactly? Masks reduce the chance of spreading infection, they have never been claimed to prevent, stop, make impossible transmission of infection. In which case perhaps you could find this evidence for me? I’m not searching out science that suits... there is simply no evidence that masks reduce the chance of spreading. The Denmark study I mentioned was peer reviewed and is the largest study into weather masks help prevent the spread of Covid 19. That study clearly shows that masks do not reduce the spread of Covid 19. Well you stated a study and I'll quote you again, you said... There was a study in Denmark across about 3000 people and this study actually shown that masks didn’t prevent the spread of Covid 19. So you said masks "didn't prevent" the spreadif covid. Prevent means stop, not allow etc I pointed out that masks are not designed to Prevent, stop, not allow Masks reduce the chance of infection, not prevent. So when I corrected you of your error you now changed your statement to reduce instead of prevent. So as I said, if you now believe masks can't even reduce the chance of transmission, why have medical settings used them for decades? Have they all been wrong all this time? A medical setting is completely different from somebody walking round a supermarket. This debate is about wearing a mask in a supermarket. They do not prevent, stop, reduce or whatever other words you want to use, the spread of Covid 19." Sorry but you're talking utter bollocks and I say that respectfully. | |||
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"I have educated myself and that’s the reason I refuse to wear a mask that doesn’t prevent any spread and only adds to the fear. For facts you really shouldn’t consult the .gov website, there have been lots of examples throughout history where governments have said one thing is safe or right to do only for it to be proven wrong years later. I read this .... and some of the others who share the same view ... and am now beginning to understand part of the reason why we are where we are! .. and why it is going to be an even longer slog to get back to a semblance of normality! With so many doing so much to try to get us out of this ... is wearing a mask sooooo much to ask! ... again slapping forehead emoji! But they read it on Faecesbook or Twatter so it must be true! " I haven’t quoted any social media platform, don’t use it so I’m not actually exposed to the stuff on it. I make my own mind up, I listen to experts and read scientific studies, after doing this I have come to the conclusion that masks don’t work. That is my choice just as it’s your choice to wear one. | |||
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"This debate is about wearing a mask in a supermarket. They do not prevent, stop, reduce or whatever other words you want to use, the spread of Covid 19." At last, we've got there. You've finally answered the question and that you don't believe masks can reduce the chance of infection in others even by the smallest margins. Interesting | |||
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"If somebody could point me the way of a scientific study which says that masks actually work I’d be happy to read it? That might change people’s minds when it comes to wearing a mask. There is simply not enough evidence to show wearing a masks work. There was a study in Denmark across about 3000 people and this study actually shown that masks didn’t prevent the spread of Covid 19. If you only search for information that you want to spread then that's very easy. You say masks don't work. Whak at what exactly? Masks reduce the chance of spreading infection, they have never been claimed to prevent, stop, make impossible transmission of infection. In which case perhaps you could find this evidence for me? I’m not searching out science that suits... there is simply no evidence that masks reduce the chance of spreading. The Denmark study I mentioned was peer reviewed and is the largest study into weather masks help prevent the spread of Covid 19. That study clearly shows that masks do not reduce the spread of Covid 19. Well you stated a study and I'll quote you again, you said... There was a study in Denmark across about 3000 people and this study actually shown that masks didn’t prevent the spread of Covid 19. So you said masks "didn't prevent" the spreadif covid. Prevent means stop, not allow etc I pointed out that masks are not designed to Prevent, stop, not allow Masks reduce the chance of infection, not prevent. So when I corrected you of your error you now changed your statement to reduce instead of prevent. So as I said, if you now believe masks can't even reduce the chance of transmission, why have medical settings used them for decades? Have they all been wrong all this time? A medical setting is completely different from somebody walking round a supermarket. This debate is about wearing a mask in a supermarket. They do not prevent, stop, reduce or whatever other words you want to use, the spread of Covid 19. Sorry but you're talking utter bollocks and I say that respectfully." Is he though? Because above people are quite happy to take away rights to enter private owned supermarkets without a mask and saying it isn’t discrimination. So therefore it isn’t discrimination when they can’t stay at the same hotels, eat in the same restaurants. Today we’re arguing masks tomorrow it’ll be the jab. | |||
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"If somebody could point me the way of a scientific study which says that masks actually work I’d be happy to read it? That might change people’s minds when it comes to wearing a mask. There is simply not enough evidence to show wearing a masks work. There was a study in Denmark across about 3000 people and this study actually shown that masks didn’t prevent the spread of Covid 19. If you only search for information that you want to spread then that's very easy. You say masks don't work. Whak at what exactly? Masks reduce the chance of spreading infection, they have never been claimed to prevent, stop, make impossible transmission of infection. In which case perhaps you could find this evidence for me? I’m not searching out science that suits... there is simply no evidence that masks reduce the chance of spreading. The Denmark study I mentioned was peer reviewed and is the largest study into weather masks help prevent the spread of Covid 19. That study clearly shows that masks do not reduce the spread of Covid 19. Well you stated a study and I'll quote you again, you said... There was a study in Denmark across about 3000 people and this study actually shown that masks didn’t prevent the spread of Covid 19. So you said masks "didn't prevent" the spreadif covid. Prevent means stop, not allow etc I pointed out that masks are not designed to Prevent, stop, not allow Masks reduce the chance of infection, not prevent. So when I corrected you of your error you now changed your statement to reduce instead of prevent. So as I said, if you now believe masks can't even reduce the chance of transmission, why have medical settings used them for decades? Have they all been wrong all this time? A medical setting is completely different from somebody walking round a supermarket. This debate is about wearing a mask in a supermarket. They do not prevent, stop, reduce or whatever other words you want to use, the spread of Covid 19. Sorry but you're talking utter bollocks and I say that respectfully." Your opinion and your entitled to it just as I am entitled to mine, I wouldn’t be as rude as to say something like that though, I’d probably say “I’ve heard your argument and still don’t agree” | |||
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". We have to ask for evidence that masks work... I’m afraid there isn’t any. Work in what way? Do you believe that face coverings have zero reduction in the possibility of spreading transmission from the person waring it? If you do why do you think they have been used in medical settings for decades? I'm interested in your answer. Used in a controlled environment, properly sanitised and not touching it with your hands etc I’m sure they do have their uses, again there is no evidence of this and no studies to show they do work where airborne viruses are concerned. As you avoided answering I'll take it you think face masks have zero, none, nill, nada % reduction of chance of transmission of infection by the person waring one. So a mask cannot reduce even a fraction the distance that particles ejected from the nose and mouth can be propelled. Interesting. I didn’t not answer your question, I agreed in a controlled environment they may work but there is no evidence to back this up. For a mask to prevent the spread it would need to be airtight.... airtight masks aren’t great!!" Lancet - “Systematic reviews of facemask use suggest relative risk (RR) reductions for infection ranging from 6–80%, including for betacoronavirus infection (eg, COVID-19, SARS, MERS). This inconsistency might be a result of different inclusion and exclusion criteria of the type of studies; the type of included population—eg, health-care workers or the general public; possibly the type of facemask used; the outcomes considered, including laboratory-confirmed virus versus symptoms alone, as well as undesirable consequences; and the setting—eg, epidemic versus non epidemic scenarios.“ You are applying binary criteria and you are wrong. Mask wearing provides Risk Reduction, it varies by type of mask, environment and other factors. However, the scientific view as opposed to uninformed opinion, is that Mask wesring helps. Also use hand sanitisers regularly, avoid contact with people. Shop on your own, rather than in couples or familly groups. Just denying their benefit positions you as a tin hat wearer & that definitely has no scientific proof of effectiveness | |||
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" .. there is simply no evidence that masks reduce the chance of spreading." OK. How about turning that around the other way. Would you ask for evidence that spluttering infected flob particles from an uncovered mouth or nose couldn't possibly be a danger to nearby people? | |||
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"If somebody could point me the way of a scientific study which says that masks actually work I’d be happy to read it? That might change people’s minds when it comes to wearing a mask. There is simply not enough evidence to show wearing a masks work. There was a study in Denmark across about 3000 people and this study actually shown that masks didn’t prevent the spread of Covid 19. If you were told wearing a chair on your head would prevent you getting cancer would you wear one? Any sane person would ask for the evidence that wearing a chair on your head would work. It doesn’t and neither do masks. You're kidding, right? 10 months in, reams and reams of information around how wearing a face mask helps prevent the spread of Covid and people still have this frankly stupid idea? How about simple googling "how do face masks prevent covid" Try the .gov site for a bloody start. And educate yourself. E I have educated myself and that’s the reason I refuse to wear a mask that doesn’t prevent any spread and only adds to the fear. For facts you really shouldn’t consult the .gov website, there have been lots of examples throughout history where governments have said one thing is safe or right to do only for it to be proven wrong years later. " I think your educator should be sacked. E | |||
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". We have to ask for evidence that masks work... I’m afraid there isn’t any. Work in what way? Do you believe that face coverings have zero reduction in the possibility of spreading transmission from the person waring it? If you do why do you think they have been used in medical settings for decades? I'm interested in your answer. Used in a controlled environment, properly sanitised and not touching it with your hands etc I’m sure they do have their uses, again there is no evidence of this and no studies to show they do work where airborne viruses are concerned. As you avoided answering I'll take it you think face masks have zero, none, nill, nada % reduction of chance of transmission of infection by the person waring one. So a mask cannot reduce even a fraction the distance that particles ejected from the nose and mouth can be propelled. Interesting. I didn’t not answer your question, I agreed in a controlled environment they may work but there is no evidence to back this up. For a mask to prevent the spread it would need to be airtight.... airtight masks aren’t great!! Lancet - “Systematic reviews of facemask use suggest relative risk (RR) reductions for infection ranging from 6–80%, including for betacoronavirus infection (eg, COVID-19, SARS, MERS). This inconsistency might be a result of different inclusion and exclusion criteria of the type of studies; the type of included population—eg, health-care workers or the general public; possibly the type of facemask used; the outcomes considered, including laboratory-confirmed virus versus symptoms alone, as well as undesirable consequences; and the setting—eg, epidemic versus non epidemic scenarios.“ You are applying binary criteria and you are wrong. Mask wearing provides Risk Reduction, it varies by type of mask, environment and other factors. However, the scientific view as opposed to uninformed opinion, is that Mask wesring helps. Also use hand sanitisers regularly, avoid contact with people. Shop on your own, rather than in couples or familly groups. Just denying their benefit positions you as a tin hat wearer & that definitely has no scientific proof of effectiveness "I don’t mean to sound like a tin foil hat wearer and whilst The quote from the Lancet is very good it’s not actually backed up with any evidence. The thing about science is it works on evidence and studies, peer reviewed studies and there are no studies to show wearing a mask is effective against preventing the spread of Covid 19. There are studies that suggest they are infective and they make no difference to the spread of Covid 19. | |||
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"Surely the bottom line Is they aren't going to do any harm..and if it stops 1 person catching it,its worth it?" Not strictly true, they give a false sense of security and social distancing (the actual best way to prevent the spread) tends to go right out of the window, thus making them counter productive. | |||
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"Surely the bottom line Is they aren't going to do any harm..and if it stops 1 person catching it,its worth it? Not strictly true, they give a false sense of security and social distancing (the actual best way to prevent the spread) tends to go right out of the window, thus making them counter productive." You have already quoted from the BMJ supposedly supporting your stance. And then there is this- "Wearing a face covering does not lead to a false sense of security or make people less cautious about hand hygiene, experts have claimed. Their comments, published in the journal BMJ Analysis, are based on an examination of the scientific evidence available on mask-wearing, in the context of respiratory virus infections. The researchers say evidence is growing that face coverings can reduce the spread of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19." Which of the BMJ's articles do you think is wrong? | |||
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"Surely the bottom line Is they aren't going to do any harm..and if it stops 1 person catching it,its worth it? Not strictly true, they give a false sense of security and social distancing (the actual best way to prevent the spread) tends to go right out of the window, thus making them counter productive. You have already quoted from the BMJ supposedly supporting your stance. And then there is this- "Wearing a face covering does not lead to a false sense of security or make people less cautious about hand hygiene, experts have claimed. Their comments, published in the journal BMJ Analysis, are based on an examination of the scientific evidence available on mask-wearing, in the context of respiratory virus infections. The researchers say evidence is growing that face coverings can reduce the spread of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19." Which of the BMJ's articles do you think is wrong?" “The researchers say evidence is growing that face coverings can reduce the spread of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19." In which case, if the evidence is growing, they will be able to publish a study to back this up?? They haven’t as yet so for now we can rely on the studies that have been done...And back we go to the Denmark study. This study which actually proves they were ineffective. | |||
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"Surely the bottom line Is they aren't going to do any harm..and if it stops 1 person catching it,its worth it? Not strictly true, they give a false sense of security and social distancing (the actual best way to prevent the spread) tends to go right out of the window, thus making them counter productive. You have already quoted from the BMJ supposedly supporting your stance. And then there is this- "Wearing a face covering does not lead to a false sense of security or make people less cautious about hand hygiene, experts have claimed. Their comments, published in the journal BMJ Analysis, are based on an examination of the scientific evidence available on mask-wearing, in the context of respiratory virus infections. The researchers say evidence is growing that face coverings can reduce the spread of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19." Which of the BMJ's articles do you think is wrong? “The researchers say evidence is growing that face coverings can reduce the spread of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19." In which case, if the evidence is growing, they will be able to publish a study to back this up?? They haven’t as yet so for now we can rely on the studies that have been done...And back we go to the Denmark study. This study which actually proves they were ineffective." I can't argue you with you anymore, it's like discussing the existence of god with a religious fanatic. All I will say further on the matter is that this virus is constantly changing and mutating. What science understands about it is also constantly changing. I believe your knowledge, and understanding of it is very much out of date. | |||
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"Surely the bottom line Is they aren't going to do any harm..and if it stops 1 person catching it,its worth it? Not strictly true, they give a false sense of security and social distancing (the actual best way to prevent the spread) tends to go right out of the window, thus making them counter productive. You have already quoted from the BMJ supposedly supporting your stance. And then there is this- "Wearing a face covering does not lead to a false sense of security or make people less cautious about hand hygiene, experts have claimed. Their comments, published in the journal BMJ Analysis, are based on an examination of the scientific evidence available on mask-wearing, in the context of respiratory virus infections. The researchers say evidence is growing that face coverings can reduce the spread of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19." Which of the BMJ's articles do you think is wrong? “The researchers say evidence is growing that face coverings can reduce the spread of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19." In which case, if the evidence is growing, they will be able to publish a study to back this up?? They haven’t as yet so for now we can rely on the studies that have been done...And back we go to the Denmark study. This study which actually proves they were ineffective. I can't argue you with you anymore, it's like discussing the existence of god with a religious fanatic. All I will say further on the matter is that this virus is constantly changing and mutating. What science understands about it is also constantly changing. I believe your knowledge, and understanding of it is very much out of date. " And that my friend is your opinion and you’re welcome to it. Now let’s not get started on religion!!! | |||
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"Surely the bottom line Is they aren't going to do any harm..and if it stops 1 person catching it,its worth it? Not strictly true, they give a false sense of security and social distancing (the actual best way to prevent the spread) tends to go right out of the window, thus making them counter productive. You have already quoted from the BMJ supposedly supporting your stance. And then there is this- "Wearing a face covering does not lead to a false sense of security or make people less cautious about hand hygiene, experts have claimed. Their comments, published in the journal BMJ Analysis, are based on an examination of the scientific evidence available on mask-wearing, in the context of respiratory virus infections. The researchers say evidence is growing that face coverings can reduce the spread of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19." Which of the BMJ's articles do you think is wrong? “The researchers say evidence is growing that face coverings can reduce the spread of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19." In which case, if the evidence is growing, they will be able to publish a study to back this up?? They haven’t as yet so for now we can rely on the studies that have been done...And back we go to the Denmark study. This study which actually proves they were ineffective." Maybe what we should do is split the country in two. One half will adhere to all the rules & the other half won’t. Which half do you think will have the lower death rate? | |||
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"Surely the bottom line Is they aren't going to do any harm..and if it stops 1 person catching it,its worth it? Not strictly true, they give a false sense of security and social distancing (the actual best way to prevent the spread) tends to go right out of the window, thus making them counter productive. You have already quoted from the BMJ supposedly supporting your stance. And then there is this- "Wearing a face covering does not lead to a false sense of security or make people less cautious about hand hygiene, experts have claimed. Their comments, published in the journal BMJ Analysis, are based on an examination of the scientific evidence available on mask-wearing, in the context of respiratory virus infections. The researchers say evidence is growing that face coverings can reduce the spread of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19." Which of the BMJ's articles do you think is wrong? “The researchers say evidence is growing that face coverings can reduce the spread of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19." In which case, if the evidence is growing, they will be able to publish a study to back this up?? They haven’t as yet so for now we can rely on the studies that have been done...And back we go to the Denmark study. This study which actually proves they were ineffective. I can't argue you with you anymore, it's like discussing the existence of god with a religious fanatic. All I will say further on the matter is that this virus is constantly changing and mutating. What science understands about it is also constantly changing. I believe your knowledge, and understanding of it is very much out of date. And that my friend is your opinion and you’re welcome to it. Now let’s not get started on religion!!!" That would be an ecumenical matter | |||
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"Surely the bottom line Is they aren't going to do any harm..and if it stops 1 person catching it,its worth it? Not strictly true, they give a false sense of security and social distancing (the actual best way to prevent the spread) tends to go right out of the window, thus making them counter productive. You have already quoted from the BMJ supposedly supporting your stance. And then there is this- "Wearing a face covering does not lead to a false sense of security or make people less cautious about hand hygiene, experts have claimed. Their comments, published in the journal BMJ Analysis, are based on an examination of the scientific evidence available on mask-wearing, in the context of respiratory virus infections. The researchers say evidence is growing that face coverings can reduce the spread of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19." Which of the BMJ's articles do you think is wrong? “The researchers say evidence is growing that face coverings can reduce the spread of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19." In which case, if the evidence is growing, they will be able to publish a study to back this up?? They haven’t as yet so for now we can rely on the studies that have been done...And back we go to the Denmark study. This study which actually proves they were ineffective. Maybe what we should do is split the country in two. One half will adhere to all the rules & the other half won’t. Which half do you think will have the lower death rate? " That would surely depend what the ‘rules’ were, if it’s about maintaining social distancing, washing your hands and being sensible then I agree they would be a lot better off. If it was mask wearers vs none mask wearers there would be no difference between the rate of infection. | |||
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"Surely the bottom line Is they aren't going to do any harm..and if it stops 1 person catching it,its worth it? Not strictly true, they give a false sense of security and social distancing (the actual best way to prevent the spread) tends to go right out of the window, thus making them counter productive. You have already quoted from the BMJ supposedly supporting your stance. And then there is this- "Wearing a face covering does not lead to a false sense of security or make people less cautious about hand hygiene, experts have claimed. Their comments, published in the journal BMJ Analysis, are based on an examination of the scientific evidence available on mask-wearing, in the context of respiratory virus infections. The researchers say evidence is growing that face coverings can reduce the spread of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19." Which of the BMJ's articles do you think is wrong? “The researchers say evidence is growing that face coverings can reduce the spread of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19." In which case, if the evidence is growing, they will be able to publish a study to back this up?? They haven’t as yet so for now we can rely on the studies that have been done...And back we go to the Denmark study. This study which actually proves they were ineffective. I can't argue you with you anymore, it's like discussing the existence of god with a religious fanatic. All I will say further on the matter is that this virus is constantly changing and mutating. What science understands about it is also constantly changing. I believe your knowledge, and understanding of it is very much out of date. " It's one of those wholly pointelss "I don't care what you say, I don't care what evidence there is, I don't care what real science says, I don't care how it's explained, I don't care that I don't understand what I read, I don't care that what I read isn't talking about the same thing as me" conversations. You'll get more sense out of rocks in your garden. As a wise man once said, "You shouldn't bother wrestling a pig, you'll both get covered in shit, but the pig enjoys it" E | |||
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"Surely the bottom line Is they aren't going to do any harm..and if it stops 1 person catching it,its worth it? Not strictly true, they give a false sense of security and social distancing (the actual best way to prevent the spread) tends to go right out of the window, thus making them counter productive. You have already quoted from the BMJ supposedly supporting your stance. And then there is this- "Wearing a face covering does not lead to a false sense of security or make people less cautious about hand hygiene, experts have claimed. Their comments, published in the journal BMJ Analysis, are based on an examination of the scientific evidence available on mask-wearing, in the context of respiratory virus infections. The researchers say evidence is growing that face coverings can reduce the spread of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19." Which of the BMJ's articles do you think is wrong? “The researchers say evidence is growing that face coverings can reduce the spread of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19." In which case, if the evidence is growing, they will be able to publish a study to back this up?? They haven’t as yet so for now we can rely on the studies that have been done...And back we go to the Denmark study. This study which actually proves they were ineffective. I can't argue you with you anymore, it's like discussing the existence of god with a religious fanatic. All I will say further on the matter is that this virus is constantly changing and mutating. What science understands about it is also constantly changing. I believe your knowledge, and understanding of it is very much out of date. It's one of those wholly pointelss "I don't care what you say, I don't care what evidence there is, I don't care what real science says, I don't care how it's explained, I don't care that I don't understand what I read, I don't care that what I read isn't talking about the same thing as me" conversations. You'll get more sense out of rocks in your garden. As a wise man once said, "You shouldn't bother wrestling a pig, you'll both get covered in shit, but the pig enjoys it" E" I haven’t said for one minute i don’t care what people say, I have provided evidence for my argument and I’m happy to accept anyone’s else’s point of view. Science is conflicting so nobody is right or wrong. As I’ve said before, it’s about choices, we should be able to make are own informed decisions and choices and not be discriminated against for it. | |||
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"Surely the bottom line Is they aren't going to do any harm..and if it stops 1 person catching it,its worth it? Not strictly true, they give a false sense of security and social distancing (the actual best way to prevent the spread) tends to go right out of the window, thus making them counter productive. You have already quoted from the BMJ supposedly supporting your stance. And then there is this- "Wearing a face covering does not lead to a false sense of security or make people less cautious about hand hygiene, experts have claimed. Their comments, published in the journal BMJ Analysis, are based on an examination of the scientific evidence available on mask-wearing, in the context of respiratory virus infections. The researchers say evidence is growing that face coverings can reduce the spread of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19." Which of the BMJ's articles do you think is wrong? “The researchers say evidence is growing that face coverings can reduce the spread of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19." In which case, if the evidence is growing, they will be able to publish a study to back this up?? They haven’t as yet so for now we can rely on the studies that have been done...And back we go to the Denmark study. This study which actually proves they were ineffective. I can't argue you with you anymore, it's like discussing the existence of god with a religious fanatic. All I will say further on the matter is that this virus is constantly changing and mutating. What science understands about it is also constantly changing. I believe your knowledge, and understanding of it is very much out of date. It's one of those wholly pointelss "I don't care what you say, I don't care what evidence there is, I don't care what real science says, I don't care how it's explained, I don't care that I don't understand what I read, I don't care that what I read isn't talking about the same thing as me" conversations. You'll get more sense out of rocks in your garden. As a wise man once said, "You shouldn't bother wrestling a pig, you'll both get covered in shit, but the pig enjoys it" E I haven’t said for one minute i don’t care what people say, I have provided evidence for my argument and I’m happy to accept anyone’s else’s point of view. Science is conflicting so nobody is right or wrong. As I’ve said before, it’s about choices, we should be able to make are own informed decisions and choices and not be discriminated against for it." Ignoring the actual scientific facts and believing unrelated ill informed nonsense is the very definition of not caring what anyone says.
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"Surely the bottom line Is they aren't going to do any harm..and if it stops 1 person catching it,its worth it? Not strictly true, they give a false sense of security and social distancing (the actual best way to prevent the spread) tends to go right out of the window, thus making them counter productive. You have already quoted from the BMJ supposedly supporting your stance. And then there is this- "Wearing a face covering does not lead to a false sense of security or make people less cautious about hand hygiene, experts have claimed. Their comments, published in the journal BMJ Analysis, are based on an examination of the scientific evidence available on mask-wearing, in the context of respiratory virus infections. The researchers say evidence is growing that face coverings can reduce the spread of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19." Which of the BMJ's articles do you think is wrong? “The researchers say evidence is growing that face coverings can reduce the spread of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19." In which case, if the evidence is growing, they will be able to publish a study to back this up?? They haven’t as yet so for now we can rely on the studies that have been done...And back we go to the Denmark study. This study which actually proves they were ineffective. I can't argue you with you anymore, it's like discussing the existence of god with a religious fanatic. All I will say further on the matter is that this virus is constantly changing and mutating. What science understands about it is also constantly changing. I believe your knowledge, and understanding of it is very much out of date. It's one of those wholly pointelss "I don't care what you say, I don't care what evidence there is, I don't care what real science says, I don't care how it's explained, I don't care that I don't understand what I read, I don't care that what I read isn't talking about the same thing as me" conversations. You'll get more sense out of rocks in your garden. As a wise man once said, "You shouldn't bother wrestling a pig, you'll both get covered in shit, but the pig enjoys it" E I haven’t said for one minute i don’t care what people say, I have provided evidence for my argument and I’m happy to accept anyone’s else’s point of view. Science is conflicting so nobody is right or wrong. As I’ve said before, it’s about choices, we should be able to make are own informed decisions and choices and not be discriminated against for it. Ignoring the actual scientific facts and believing unrelated ill informed nonsense is the very definition of not caring what anyone says.
Like the poster above, I'm out.
E"It appears it’s you that is ‘Ignoring the actual scientific facts and believing unrelated ill informed nonsense’. I’ve pointed you towards a scientific study that shows masks don’t work? I’m yet to see anybody provide a scientific study that shows they are effective against the spread of Covid 19. If there is one out there I’d be happy to read it and look to make another informed decision. | |||
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"Surely the bottom line Is they aren't going to do any harm..and if it stops 1 person catching it,its worth it? Not strictly true, they give a false sense of security and social distancing (the actual best way to prevent the spread) tends to go right out of the window, thus making them counter productive. You have already quoted from the BMJ supposedly supporting your stance. And then there is this- "Wearing a face covering does not lead to a false sense of security or make people less cautious about hand hygiene, experts have claimed. Their comments, published in the journal BMJ Analysis, are based on an examination of the scientific evidence available on mask-wearing, in the context of respiratory virus infections. The researchers say evidence is growing that face coverings can reduce the spread of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19." Which of the BMJ's articles do you think is wrong? “The researchers say evidence is growing that face coverings can reduce the spread of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19." In which case, if the evidence is growing, they will be able to publish a study to back this up?? They haven’t as yet so for now we can rely on the studies that have been done...And back we go to the Denmark study. This study which actually proves they were ineffective. I can't argue you with you anymore, it's like discussing the existence of god with a religious fanatic. All I will say further on the matter is that this virus is constantly changing and mutating. What science understands about it is also constantly changing. I believe your knowledge, and understanding of it is very much out of date. It's one of those wholly pointelss "I don't care what you say, I don't care what evidence there is, I don't care what real science says, I don't care how it's explained, I don't care that I don't understand what I read, I don't care that what I read isn't talking about the same thing as me" conversations. You'll get more sense out of rocks in your garden. As a wise man once said, "You shouldn't bother wrestling a pig, you'll both get covered in shit, but the pig enjoys it" E I haven’t said for one minute i don’t care what people say, I have provided evidence for my argument and I’m happy to accept anyone’s else’s point of view. Science is conflicting so nobody is right or wrong. As I’ve said before, it’s about choices, we should be able to make are own informed decisions and choices and not be discriminated against for it. Ignoring the actual scientific facts and believing unrelated ill informed nonsense is the very definition of not caring what anyone says.
Like the poster above, I'm out.
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It appears it’s you that is ‘Ignoring the actual scientific facts and believing unrelated ill informed nonsense’.
I’ve pointed you towards a scientific study that shows masks don’t work? I’m yet to see anybody provide a scientific study that shows they are effective against the spread of Covid 19. If there is one out there I’d be happy to read it and look to make another informed decision."I mean you could not wear a mask and if I'm right... you can put a whole lot of people at risk or kill them. Or we can wear them and if you're right... well I guess worse case you get to gloat on some sex website to strangers... that you were right Maybe we could just follow the fucking guidance, wear a mask, wash our hands, stay away from people and I don't know STAY AT HOME.
Plus that's not what that study shows. And there is plenty of counter research ... I don't think people ever actually read the paper or do genuine research. | |||
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"Surely the bottom line Is they aren't going to do any harm..and if it stops 1 person catching it,its worth it? Not strictly true, they give a false sense of security and social distancing (the actual best way to prevent the spread) tends to go right out of the window, thus making them counter productive. You have already quoted from the BMJ supposedly supporting your stance. And then there is this- "Wearing a face covering does not lead to a false sense of security or make people less cautious about hand hygiene, experts have claimed. Their comments, published in the journal BMJ Analysis, are based on an examination of the scientific evidence available on mask-wearing, in the context of respiratory virus infections. The researchers say evidence is growing that face coverings can reduce the spread of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19." Which of the BMJ's articles do you think is wrong? “The researchers say evidence is growing that face coverings can reduce the spread of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19." In which case, if the evidence is growing, they will be able to publish a study to back this up?? They haven’t as yet so for now we can rely on the studies that have been done...And back we go to the Denmark study. This study which actually proves they were ineffective. I can't argue you with you anymore, it's like discussing the existence of god with a religious fanatic. All I will say further on the matter is that this virus is constantly changing and mutating. What science understands about it is also constantly changing. I believe your knowledge, and understanding of it is very much out of date. It's one of those wholly pointelss "I don't care what you say, I don't care what evidence there is, I don't care what real science says, I don't care how it's explained, I don't care that I don't understand what I read, I don't care that what I read isn't talking about the same thing as me" conversations. You'll get more sense out of rocks in your garden. As a wise man once said, "You shouldn't bother wrestling a pig, you'll both get covered in shit, but the pig enjoys it" E I haven’t said for one minute i don’t care what people say, I have provided evidence for my argument and I’m happy to accept anyone’s else’s point of view. Science is conflicting so nobody is right or wrong. As I’ve said before, it’s about choices, we should be able to make are own informed decisions and choices and not be discriminated against for it. Ignoring the actual scientific facts and believing unrelated ill informed nonsense is the very definition of not caring what anyone says.
Like the poster above, I'm out.
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It appears it’s you that is ‘Ignoring the actual scientific facts and believing unrelated ill informed nonsense’.
I’ve pointed you towards a scientific study that shows masks don’t work? I’m yet to see anybody provide a scientific study that shows they are effective against the spread of Covid 19. If there is one out there I’d be happy to read it and look to make another informed decision.
I mean you could not wear a mask and if I'm right... you can put a whole lot of people at risk or kill them. Or we can wear them and if you're right... well I guess worse case you get to gloat on some sex website to strangers... that you were right
Maybe we could just follow the fucking guidance, wear a mask, wash our hands, stay away from people and I don't know STAY AT HOME.
Plus that's not what that study shows. And there is plenty of counter research ... I don't think people ever actually read the paper or do genuine research. "Two men stand facing each other, naked and pissing. Both men get pissed on. Two men stand facing each other pissing, one man wears pants, one man gets pissed on. Two men stand facing each other pissing, both men wear pants. Neither man gets pissed on. Is so simple it doesn't even need science. If you're not part of the solution you're part of the problem. Wear a mask. E | |||
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