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over a year ago
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Source: Online NHS deaths data
The SW UK area as a whole has less than half the deaths of any other area since 21 Dec. Shame you can't join us in the safe zone LOL - only 1 death in all the Bristol hospitals since then!
It also shows that for the whole UK, if you accept that anyone who dies with it at home or in an old people's home is going to be old or didn't die of it e.g. car crash, then in the same period only 6 people under 40 (none of them under 20) and 42 under sixty died. All the 10000 or so other C19 related deaths (not checked the exact figure) were over 60 and majority of them well over.
So, it's not all doom and gloom as they'd have you believe!
Well, not for those of us still of working age anyway. So, while it's true that working age people CAN die of it, it also massively unlikely that they will. So, don't live in fear and keep away from any retired people till they're inoculated! |
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On Sunday during my shift I held the hand of a 49 year old man, while he struggled to breathe. His wife was sat next to him utterly distraught. I held his daughters hand (she was 19) while she watched her dad slowly and painfully struggle to breathe.
He died that afternoon.
Maybe he did have an underline health condition, maybe he smoked all his life, maybe he drank, but does that mean he doesn't matter? Just because he might have had a previous lung condition, that he doesn't count as a person and that it doesn't matter that his wife has just lost her husband and his 19 year old daughter has lost her dad?
Just because the elderly are slightly more likely to become hospitalised with covid, it doesn't mean the virus won't effect a healthy 30 year old, or a 40 year old man who plays football with his kids at the weekend, or the 50 year old lady who works in the local shop to support her children.
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"On Sunday during my shift I held the hand of a 49 year old man, while he struggled to breathe. His wife was sat next to him utterly distraught. I held his daughters hand (she was 19) while she watched her dad slowly and painfully struggle to breathe.
He died that afternoon.
Maybe he did have an underline health condition, maybe he smoked all his life, maybe he drank, but does that mean he doesn't matter? Just because he might have had a previous lung condition, that he doesn't count as a person and that it doesn't matter that his wife has just lost her husband and his 19 year old daughter has lost her dad?
Just because the elderly are slightly more likely to become hospitalised with covid, it doesn't mean the virus won't effect a healthy 30 year old, or a 40 year old man who plays football with his kids at the weekend, or the 50 year old lady who works in the local shop to support her children.
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That must be a very hard job to do, they are luck to have you. Stay safe x |
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Brilliant news OP LOL! 48 people under 60!
Just a number isn't it. They aren't worth anything.
Their families, friends, colleagues won't be heartbroken to lose them.
LOL !!! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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While it's very sad for the 48/10000 younger victims and all who have to deal with them, it's not too great for the other 9952 older victims either. As the Fab community is almost 100% in the low risk group it seems reasonable to share the NHS data so you can be a bit more confident of your own chances given the concern in other threads from people who know they won't get inoculated for months yet, etc. Also, perhaps make more informed decisions regarding your interaction with those who are 70+. We've just shared the NHS data and make no comment on how others may present data. Anyone with further interest can find the data online quite easily, same as the ONS data for all deaths.
For parity you should note that we are also on the C19 ward but nobody has died in that period and nobody is either young or seriously ill, neither are there excessive patient numbers. But that's just our snapshot, the national data offers a much better overall picture of what's happening and shows clearly that this is primarily a disease that kills old people, thus the complete opposite of the 1918 flu pandemic. Stay safe all, but perhaps apply a bit more stringency to keeping your older rellies safe as well than you might have done if you'd not seen this data! |
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"Wahoo. Can all us over 60s (who have worked all our adult life, contributing our tax and Nat ins) be put up in posh hotels with all leisure facilities until it's safe for us to mix again?  "
Yeah you should all be locked up so the young uns can party again! 
Although these posh hotels do sound quite fun.... |
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"Wahoo. Can all us over 60s (who have worked all our adult life, contributing our tax and Nat ins) be put up in posh hotels with all leisure facilities until it's safe for us to mix again?
Yeah you should all be locked up so the young uns can party again!
Although these posh hotels do sound quite fun.... "
I'm going to one with a pool and sauna  |
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"Source: Online NHS deaths data
The SW UK area as a whole has less than half the deaths of any other area since 21 Dec. Shame you can't join us in the safe zone LOL - only 1 death in all the Bristol hospitals since then!
It also shows that for the whole UK, if you accept that anyone who dies with it at home or in an old people's home is going to be old or didn't die of it e.g. car crash, then in the same period only 6 people under 40 (none of them under 20) and 42 under sixty died. All the 10000 or so other C19 related deaths (not checked the exact figure) were over 60 and majority of them well over.
So, it's not all doom and gloom as they'd have you believe!
Well, not for those of us still of working age anyway. So, while it's true that working age people CAN die of it, it also massively unlikely that they will. So, don't live in fear and keep away from any retired people till they're inoculated!"
All joking aside I think you make a good point  |
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By *D835Man
over a year ago
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"Source: Online NHS deaths data
The SW UK area as a whole has less than half the deaths of any other area since 21 Dec. Shame you can't join us in the safe zone LOL - only 1 death in all the Bristol hospitals since then!
It also shows that for the whole UK, if you accept that anyone who dies with it at home or in an old people's home is going to be old or didn't die of it e.g. car crash, then in the same period only 6 people under 40 (none of them under 20) and 42 under sixty died. All the 10000 or so other C19 related deaths (not checked the exact figure) were over 60 and majority of them well over.
So, it's not all doom and gloom as they'd have you believe!
Well, not for those of us still of working age anyway. So, while it's true that working age people CAN die of it, it also massively unlikely that they will. So, don't live in fear and keep away from any retired people till they're inoculated!"
"...So, while it's true that working age people CAN die of it, it also massively unlikely that they will. ..."
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But those 'working age' people can:
1.) Still fall sick and end up in hospital. And while they are in hospital, they are using up beds and extra NHS resources - causing other people to die of other illnesses because they can't get access to the treatment they require.
2.) They can escape death,...but end up suffering from Long Covid which can handicap them for the rest of their lives.
Some of those 'working-age' people may never be able to return to work or have any quality of life for the rest of their days.
3.) They can still pass it on to an older or more vulnerable person who ends up dying from the virus.
So regardless of whether you are of working age or not; EVERYONE needs to take the SAME level of care. |
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"Source: Online NHS deaths data
The SW UK area as a whole has less than half the deaths of any other area since 21 Dec. Shame you can't join us in the safe zone LOL - only 1 death in all the Bristol hospitals since then!
It also shows that for the whole UK, if you accept that anyone who dies with it at home or in an old people's home is going to be old or didn't die of it e.g. car crash, then in the same period only 6 people under 40 (none of them under 20) and 42 under sixty died. All the 10000 or so other C19 related deaths (not checked the exact figure) were over 60 and majority of them well over.
So, it's not all doom and gloom as they'd have you believe!
Well, not for those of us still of working age anyway. So, while it's true that working age people CAN die of it, it also massively unlikely that they will. So, don't live in fear and keep away from any retired people till they're inoculated!"
Great post ?? |
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"On Sunday during my shift I held the hand of a 49 year old man, while he struggled to breathe. His wife was sat next to him utterly distraught. I held his daughters hand (she was 19) while she watched her dad slowly and painfully struggle to breathe.
He died that afternoon.
Maybe he did have an underline health condition, maybe he smoked all his life, maybe he drank, but does that mean he doesn't matter? Just because he might have had a previous lung condition, that he doesn't count as a person and that it doesn't matter that his wife has just lost her husband and his 19 year old daughter has lost her dad?
Just because the elderly are slightly more likely to become hospitalised with covid, it doesn't mean the virus won't effect a healthy 30 year old, or a 40 year old man who plays football with his kids at the weekend, or the 50 year old lady who works in the local shop to support her children.
A very sobering and thoughtful post, thank god for people like you and your colleagues. To the OP, I don’t really want to believe that your post is what you really think but it does come across that if your not in the over 60 group and are fit and well ‘I’m ok jack’, I really hope you stay that way and COVID free, any other illness come to think of it but my view is everyone has the right to lead a life, we should all be looking after each other. But then I’m over 60
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"On Sunday during my shift I held the hand of a 49 year old man, while he struggled to breathe. His wife was sat next to him utterly distraught. I held his daughters hand (she was 19) while she watched her dad slowly and painfully struggle to breathe.
He died that afternoon.
Maybe he did have an underline health condition, maybe he smoked all his life, maybe he drank, but does that mean he doesn't matter? Just because he might have had a previous lung condition, that he doesn't count as a person and that it doesn't matter that his wife has just lost her husband and his 19 year old daughter has lost her dad?
Just because the elderly are slightly more likely to become hospitalised with covid, it doesn't mean the virus won't effect a healthy 30 year old, or a 40 year old man who plays football with his kids at the weekend, or the 50 year old lady who works in the local shop to support her children.
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So more is the point how are you copping.
It is because people like you are working had to save people of a younger age are pulling through.
I wonder if this post would have started the same if hospitals did not treet the covid sick of the 20 to 60 age group and just sent them home to fend for them self.
Thank you and all you colleges for all you are doing.
If you need support find it So he where RMN in your hospital or just chat in forums. We are all hear for you. Well most are.  |
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"I understand what you're saying.
If only it was as easy as staying away from older relatives "
Or you have no idea how it is going to affect you until you catch it, how severe, have you got an underlying medical condition you aren’t aware of - no one knows that |
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"Source: Online NHS deaths data
The SW UK area as a whole has less than half the deaths of any other area since 21 Dec. Shame you can't join us in the safe zone LOL - only 1 death in all the Bristol hospitals since then!
It also shows that for the whole UK, if you accept that anyone who dies with it at home or in an old people's home is going to be old or didn't die of it e.g. car crash, then in the same period only 6 people under 40 (none of them under 20) and 42 under sixty died. All the 10000 or so other C19 related deaths (not checked the exact figure) were over 60 and majority of them well over.
So, it's not all doom and gloom as they'd have you believe!
Well, not for those of us still of working age anyway. So, while it's true that working age people CAN die of it, it also massively unlikely that they will. So, don't live in fear and keep away from any retired people till they're inoculated!
"...So, while it's true that working age people CAN die of it, it also massively unlikely that they will. ..."
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But those 'working age' people can:
1.) Still fall sick and end up in hospital. And while they are in hospital, they are using up beds and extra NHS resources - causing other people to die of other illnesses because they can't get access to the treatment they require.
2.) They can escape death,...but end up suffering from Long Covid which can handicap them for the rest of their lives.
Some of those 'working-age' people may never be able to return to work or have any quality of life for the rest of their days.
3.) They can still pass it on to an older or more vulnerable person who ends up dying from the virus.
So regardless of whether you are of working age or not; EVERYONE needs to take the SAME level of care."
Thank you for posting this - I think it's important to keep sight of an overarching view. |
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member of staff female early 20s in somerset had covid had a bad time of it was in hospital now 3 months later she can hardly walk hardly breath her mental health is in tatters doubt she will work again for a long time this young woman had no ill health super super hardworker before covid now another long covid person this virus wrecks lives of the living too not just the dead  |
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By *D835Man
over a year ago
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" member of staff female early 20s in somerset had covid had a bad time of it was in hospital now 3 months later she can hardly walk hardly breath her mental health is in tatters doubt she will work again for a long time this young woman had no ill health super super hardworker before covid now another long covid person this virus wrecks lives of the living too not just the dead "
And what you've just narrated about this young 20 year old, is exactly the issue I was highlighting in my post above.
It's a shame when people bring out 'one-sided statistics' which focuses only on deaths;....meanwhile completely & conveniently ignoring the other issues and consequences of the pandemic. |
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"While it's very sad for the 48/10000 younger victims and all who have to deal with them, it's not too great for the other 9952 older victims either. As the Fab community is almost 100% in the low risk group it seems reasonable to share the NHS data so you can be a bit more confident of your own chances given the concern in other threads from people who know they won't get inoculated for months yet, etc. Also, perhaps make more informed decisions regarding your interaction with those who are 70+. We've just shared the NHS data and make no comment on how others may present data. Anyone with further interest can find the data online quite easily, same as the ONS data for all deaths.
For parity you should note that we are also on the C19 ward but nobody has died in that period and nobody is either young or seriously ill, neither are there excessive patient numbers. But that's just our snapshot, the national data offers a much better overall picture of what's happening and shows clearly that this is primarily a disease that kills old people, thus the complete opposite of the 1918 flu pandemic. Stay safe all, but perhaps apply a bit more stringency to keeping your older rellies safe as well than you might have done if you'd not seen this data!"
It doesn't really give me anything to go on, so perhaps you could have detailed your thoughts more explicitly.
Anyone getting ill, many with long covid and anyone who dies, is sad, however old or young they are.
The South West has been more fortunate than many areas, that's true. Stay grateful that you have avoided much of the tragedy. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"On Sunday during my shift I held the hand of a 49 year old man, while he struggled to breathe. His wife was sat next to him utterly distraught. I held his daughters hand (she was 19) while she watched her dad slowly and painfully struggle to breathe.
He died that afternoon.
Maybe he did have an underline health condition, maybe he smoked all his life, maybe he drank, but does that mean he doesn't matter? Just because he might have had a previous lung condition, that he doesn't count as a person and that it doesn't matter that his wife has just lost her husband and his 19 year old daughter has lost her dad?
Just because the elderly are slightly more likely to become hospitalised with covid, it doesn't mean the virus won't effect a healthy 30 year old, or a 40 year old man who plays football with his kids at the weekend, or the 50 year old lady who works in the local shop to support her children.
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It's got to be hard on you seeing this day in day out.
It's not just the families it affects.
I had covid back in november, i would consider myself a healthy 42yo but I still struggle with energy levels.
Even when you're clear of it you're not free of the affects of it.
I also know two people who have died from it too, it's very real.
Stay safe people. |
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By *D835Man
over a year ago
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"On Sunday during my shift I held the hand of a 49 year old man, while he struggled to breathe. His wife was sat next to him utterly distraught. I held his daughters hand (she was 19) while she watched her dad slowly and painfully struggle to breathe.
He died that afternoon.
Maybe he did have an underline health condition, maybe he smoked all his life, maybe he drank, but does that mean he doesn't matter? Just because he might have had a previous lung condition, that he doesn't count as a person and that it doesn't matter that his wife has just lost her husband and his 19 year old daughter has lost her dad?
Just because the elderly are slightly more likely to become hospitalised with covid, it doesn't mean the virus won't effect a healthy 30 year old, or a 40 year old man who plays football with his kids at the weekend, or the 50 year old lady who works in the local shop to support her children.
It's got to be hard on you seeing this day in day out.
It's not just the families it affects.
I had covid back in november, i would consider myself a healthy 42yo but I still struggle with energy levels.
Even when you're clear of it you're not free of the affects of it.
I also know two people who have died from it too, it's very real.
Stay safe people."
"....I had covid back in november, i would consider myself a healthy 42yo but I still struggle with energy levels...."
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Glad to know you are still alive, although you are currently struggling with energy levels.
Wish you a speedy recovery.
Your story above is common among people of your age - (40yrs) and younger.
These stories dispel the myth propagated by some people.....who keep saying that those under 50 years : "have nothing to worry about" |
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"....I had covid back in november, i would consider myself a healthy 42yo but I still struggle with energy levels...."
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Glad to know you are still alive, although you are currently struggling with energy levels.
Wish you a speedy recovery.
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By *aralewisCouple
over a year ago
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We need to put things into perspective on average of people catching it’s mostly the old that dies
If you have cases where young people dies it’s to be expected but if you work out how many been infected to death is a low percentage..
It’s coz on the whole, it’s the old people that immune system been weakened with age
That’s why the highest case of covid death
And what we should understand that we all have to die at some point
And this might be Nature having a cull because the world is over populated
So let’s say one million people die of this world wide what dent would it be on the population of billions of people 0.2%
Maybe that’s how people should look at things in percentages
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By *D835Man
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"We need to put things into perspective on average of people catching it’s mostly the old that dies
If you have cases where young people dies it’s to be expected but if you work out how many been infected to death is a low percentage..
It’s coz on the whole, it’s the old people that immune system been weakened with age
That’s why the highest case of covid death
And what we should understand that we all have to die at some point
And this might be Nature having a cull because the world is over populated
So let’s say one million people die of this world wide what dent would it be on the population of billions of people 0.2%
Maybe that’s how people should look at things in percentages
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“....... We need to put things into perspective.....”
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Putting things into perspective would indicate that death is not the only consequence of catching covid. |
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"Source: Online NHS deaths data
The SW UK area as a whole has less than half the deaths of any other area since 21 Dec. Shame you can't join us in the safe zone LOL - only 1 death in all the Bristol hospitals since then!
It also shows that for the whole UK, if you accept that anyone who dies with it at home or in an old people's home is going to be old or didn't die of it e.g. car crash, then in the same period only 6 people under 40 (none of them under 20) and 42 under sixty died. All the 10000 or so other C19 related deaths (not checked the exact figure) were over 60 and majority of them well over.
So, it's not all doom and gloom as they'd have you believe!
Well, not for those of us still of working age anyway. So, while it's true that working age people CAN die of it, it also massively unlikely that they will. So, don't live in fear and keep away from any retired people till they're inoculated!"
Please bear in mind the data you quote is based on risk measures that have been implemented. |
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Please remember to wash your hands and stay safe,I am a truck driver so I see a lot of different things people doing things they should not be doing so remember to wash your hands always Please xx |
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By *andy 1Couple
over a year ago
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"Source: Online NHS deaths data
The SW UK area as a whole has less than half the deaths of any other area since 21 Dec. Shame you can't join us in the safe zone LOL - only 1 death in all the Bristol hospitals since then!
It also shows that for the whole UK, if you accept that anyone who dies with it at home or in an old people's home is going to be old or didn't die of it e.g. car crash, then in the same period only 6 people under 40 (none of them under 20) and 42 under sixty died. All the 10000 or so other C19 related deaths (not checked the exact figure) were over 60 and majority of them well over.
So, it's not all doom and gloom as they'd have you believe!
Well, not for those of us still of working age anyway. So, while it's true that working age people CAN die of it, it also massively unlikely that they will. So, don't live in fear and keep away from any retired people till they're inoculated!
"...So, while it's true that working age people CAN die of it, it also massively unlikely that they will. ..."
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But those 'working age' people can:
1.) Still fall sick and end up in hospital. And while they are in hospital, they are using up beds and extra NHS resources - causing other people to die of other illnesses because they can't get access to the treatment they require.
2.) They can escape death,...but end up suffering from Long Covid which can handicap them for the rest of their lives.
Some of those 'working-age' people may never be able to return to work or have any quality of life for the rest of their days.
3.) They can still pass it on to an older or more vulnerable person who ends up dying from the virus.
So regardless of whether you are of working age or not; EVERYONE needs to take the SAME level of care."
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By *andy 1Couple
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"We need to put things into perspective on average of people catching it’s mostly the old that dies
If you have cases where young people dies it’s to be expected but if you work out how many been infected to death is a low percentage..
It’s coz on the whole, it’s the old people that immune system been weakened with age if you think life is all about percentages I wouldent want to live your life
That’s why the highest case of covid death
And what we should understand that we all have to die at some point
And this might be Nature having a cull because the world is over populated
So let’s say one million people die of this world wide what dent would it be on the population of billions of people 0.2%
Maybe that’s how people should look at things in percentages
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"Source: Online NHS deaths data
The SW UK area as a whole has less than half the deaths of any other area since 21 Dec. Shame you can't join us in the safe zone LOL - only 1 death in all the Bristol hospitals since then!
It also shows that for the whole UK, if you accept that anyone who dies with it at home or in an old people's home is going to be old or didn't die of it e.g. car crash, then in the same period only 6 people under 40 (none of them under 20) and 42 under sixty died. All the 10000 or so other C19 related deaths (not checked the exact figure) were over 60 and majority of them well over.
So, it's not all doom and gloom as they'd have you believe!
Well, not for those of us still of working age anyway. So, while it's true that working age people CAN die of it, it also massively unlikely that they will. So, don't live in fear and keep away from any retired people till they're inoculated!
"...So, while it's true that working age people CAN die of it, it also massively unlikely that they will. ..."
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But those 'working age' people can:
1.) Still fall sick and end up in hospital. And while they are in hospital, they are using up beds and extra NHS resources - causing other people to die of other illnesses because they can't get access to the treatment they require.
2.) They can escape death,...but end up suffering from Long Covid which can handicap them for the rest of their lives.
Some of those 'working-age' people may never be able to return to work or have any quality of life for the rest of their days.t
3.) They can still pass it on to an older or more vulnerable person who ends up dying from the virus.t
So regardless of whether you are of working age or not; EVERYONE needs to take the SAME level of care. "
. It’s ca  . Problem obviously is that you cannot indefinitely close down life because some people are dying. Tragic though it may be it happens, it’s part of life. Irresponsible people going about their lives, working, earning, paying taxes, falling under a bus and taking up hospital beds should take a long hard look at themselves and reflect on their selfish attitude to living. |
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"Source: Online NHS deaths data
The SW UK area as a whole has less than half the deaths of any other area since 21 Dec. Shame you can't join us in the safe zone LOL - only 1 death in all the Bristol hospitals since then!
It also shows that for the whole UK, if you accept that anyone who dies with it at home or in an old people's home is going to be old or didn't die of it e.g. car crash, then in the same period only 6 people under 40 (none of them under 20) and 42 under sixty died. All the 10000 or so other C19 related deaths (not checked the exact figure) were over 60 and majority of them well over.
So, it's not all doom and gloom as they'd have you believe!
Well, not for those of us still of working age anyway. So, while it's true that working age people CAN die of it, it also massively unlikely that they will. So, don't live in fear and keep away from any retired people till they're inoculated!"
This post proves that there are still stupid "Richard Craniums" who believe in the "Ostrich" syndrome.
Covid 19 is a very dangerous virus that will, and has killed so many people. It doesn't care about race, creed or age. I appreciate that the elderly are more at risk. But by and large they are the most sensible section of the population and treat covid with a keep safe attitude |
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Why can't we all stop arguing about COVID and the stats! The system is legally breaking the fabric of our lives and the economy! 2years no exams, they get a degree but they go to the side because they missed their 'A' levels! Caps on redundancy payments, CPI increases and defined benefits pensions scheme.
I'm lucky I'm relatively secure. The point I'm making is that the threads that hold us together are being cut away.
We need to love each other and argue as one for all of our futures.
ONS said yesterday that they have stats showing the population has dropped to WW2 levels, our economy will be back in the 80's and the state have 2021 tech to keep us under control and monitored!
We come here to get away from all the stress of life! it's a haven of all types to have fun |
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"The virus is not particularly dangerous and it most certainly does care about age. If you are young or fit there are more important things to worry about than dying from Covid."
Yes, like trying to be a decent human being by trying to avoid becoming a vector for the virus and not passing it on to those who are not young or fit. |
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"The virus is not particularly dangerous and it most certainly does care about age. If you are young or fit there are more important things to worry about than dying from Covid.
Yes, like trying to be a decent human being by trying to avoid becoming a vector for the virus and not passing it on to those who are not young or fit."
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"Wahoo. Can all us over 60s (who have worked all our adult life, contributing our tax and Nat ins) be put up in posh hotels with all leisure facilities until it's safe for us to mix again?
Yeah you should all be locked up so the young uns can party again!
Although these posh hotels do sound quite fun....
I'm going to one with a pool and sauna "
That will be the fastest way to catch the virus then - it spreads in water droplets in the air. |
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"The virus is not particularly dangerous and it most certainly does care about age. If you are young or fit there are more important things to worry about than dying from Covid."
Yes, I am more worried about my 77yr old father dying with covid. I would say he has a good few more years to give and I think he is entitled to them too. |
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"The virus is not particularly dangerous and it most certainly does care about age. If you are young or fit there are more important things to worry about than dying from Covid."
Let’s also not forget, estimates are that even now only about 22% of the population have been infected by the virus which has left over 80,000 dead. But hey, it’s not very dangerous so let’s no worry about it. |
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I didn't realise that being over 60 meant I am no longer of working age OP as I was planning to go on for some time yet. Of course there are also those younger people that I pay who rely on me for their livelihoods too. |
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"Source: Online NHS deaths data
The SW UK area as a whole has less than half the deaths of any other area since 21 Dec. Shame you can't join us in the safe zone LOL - only 1 death in all the Bristol hospitals since then!
It also shows that for the whole UK, if you accept that anyone who dies with it at home or in an old people's home is going to be old or didn't die of it e.g. car crash, then in the same period only 6 people under 40 (none of them under 20) and 42 under sixty died. All the 10000 or so other C19 related deaths (not checked the exact figure) were over 60 and majority of them well over.
So, it's not all doom and gloom as they'd have you believe!
Well, not for those of us still of working age anyway. So, while it's true that working age people CAN die of it, it also massively unlikely that they will. So, don't live in fear and keep away from any retired people till they're inoculated!"
My daughter has been treating quite a number of Covid patients in her pediatric ward with increased numbers with covid in the past couple months. Two have died of it in the past month, one last week. Will continue to look closely at these numbers. |
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What many are unaware of is some of the long term side effects that having covid may have on the body. These include lung inflammation and fibrosis, and pulmonary vascular disease cardiovascular symptoms and disease such as chest tightness, acute myocarditis and heart defects leading to failure. These are some of the some of the health issues which can raise their head in late life, so it's not simply all ok for young ones to get it. Another argument for the vaccination for immunity prevention rather than catching it to gain immunity. We're ignoring the stress toll covid is playing in the body if the body struggles to fight it. |
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"The virus is not particularly dangerous and it most certainly does care about age. If you are young or fit there are more important things to worry about than dying from Covid."
“.... If you are young or fit there are more important things to worry about than dying from Covid......”
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And one of the ‘important things’ the young and fit need to worry about:- is the state of their health post covid infection.
Unemployment will increase due to the pandemic, not just because of the lockdown, but because some of the young & fit will be unable to return to work due to the debilitating effects of long covid.
Some of the young and fit are also self-employed or on zero hour contracts. If they contract the virus, they have to self isolate, or they will fall sick and are unable to work. This will lead to loss of income and financial hardship for those not entitled to statutory sick pay.
Covid affects people of ALL ages one way or the other. Death is not the only consequence of catching covid. |
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"The virus is not particularly dangerous and it most certainly does care about age. If you are young or fit there are more important things to worry about than dying from Covid.
Let’s also not forget, estimates are that even now only about 22% of the population have been infected by the virus which has left over 80,000 dead. But hey, it’s not very dangerous so let’s no worry about it."
. The point isn’t don’t worry about it; but We need people to go to work, make money, pay taxes. That’s how we pay for doctors, nurses, vaccines and everyrhing else. Hidding behind the sofa counting the dead and worrying about it will solve nothing. |
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My stats that I’ve personally seen
27 year old lung condition - in hospital fighting for his life
34 year old - no underlyings caught March last years can’t walk or work or look after her kids
42 year old - no underlyings still in hospital kids in care as single parent.
55 year old- no underlyings caught last September gave to her dad she buried him last week
7 year old - caught March last year gave to both grandparents who died.
9 year old- have to SEND brother who cannot cope with the hospitalisation and is struggling with hospital care
So no no one young died - happy days eh. |
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"The virus is not particularly dangerous and it most certainly does care about age. If you are young or fit there are more important things to worry about than dying from Covid.
Let’s also not forget, estimates are that even now only about 22% of the population have been infected by the virus which has left over 80,000 dead. But hey, it’s not very dangerous so let’s no worry about it.. The point isn’t don’t worry about it; but We need people to go to work, make money, pay taxes. That’s how we pay for doctors, nurses, vaccines and everyrhing else. Hidding behind the sofa counting the dead and worrying about it will solve nothing."
The point is the more you stay in (hide if you wish but that was an obvious dig so I’ll ignore) the less time the country will close and the less knock on affects there will be. Why doesn’t anyone get this? |
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By *osexyCouple
over a year ago
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"On Sunday during my shift I held the hand of a 49 year old man, while he struggled to breathe. His wife was sat next to him utterly distraught. I held his daughters hand (she was 19) while she watched her dad slowly and painfully struggle to breathe.
He died that afternoon.
Maybe he did have an underline health condition, maybe he smoked all his life, maybe he drank, but does that mean he doesn't matter? Just because he might have had a previous lung condition, that he doesn't count as a person and that it doesn't matter that his wife has just lost her husband and his 19 year old daughter has lost her dad?
Just because the elderly are slightly more likely to become hospitalised with covid, it doesn't mean the virus won't effect a healthy 30 year old, or a 40 year old man who plays football with his kids at the weekend, or the 50 year old lady who works in the local shop to support her children.
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People in the NHS and other caring professions with your level empathy are true hero’s and will never be forgotten by the families . Illness is a leveller and every life equal . The thought that age makes a life less important does seem to be the thoughts of some . Keep up the good work x
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"My stats that I’ve personally seen
27 year old lung condition - in hospital fighting for his life
34 year old - no underlyings caught March last years can’t walk or work or look after her kids
42 year old - no underlyings still in hospital kids in care as single parent.
55 year old- no underlyings caught last September gave to her dad she buried him last week
7 year old - caught March last year gave to both grandparents who died.
9 year old- have to SEND brother who cannot cope with the hospitalisation and is struggling with hospital care
So no no one young died - happy days eh. "
Well they have died and my daughter can testify to that. So dont ignore stats but also be aware that they can be wrong. |
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"My stats that I’ve personally seen
27 year old lung condition - in hospital fighting for his life
34 year old - no underlyings caught March last years can’t walk or work or look after her kids
42 year old - no underlyings still in hospital kids in care as single parent.
55 year old- no underlyings caught last September gave to her dad she buried him last week
7 year old - caught March last year gave to both grandparents who died.
9 year old- have to SEND brother who cannot cope with the hospitalisation and is struggling with hospital care
So no no one young died - happy days eh.
Well they have died and my daughter can testify to that. So dont ignore stats but also be aware that they can be wrong."
Think you missed the sarcasm in my last line .... x |
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"The virus is not particularly dangerous and it most certainly does care about age. If you are young or fit there are more important things to worry about than dying from Covid.
Let’s also not forget, estimates are that even now only about 22% of the population have been infected by the virus which has left over 80,000 dead. But hey, it’s not very dangerous so let’s no worry about it.. The point isn’t don’t worry about it; but We need people to go to work, make money, pay taxes. That’s how we pay for doctors, nurses, vaccines and everyrhing else. Hidding behind the sofa counting the dead and worrying about it will solve nothing."
Glad you're not running things because few place would even be able to operate as the workforces would be mostly sick and NHS collapsed and no one would get any treatment.
Sorry but your approach is more akin to let's pretend it's not here and carry on. There is stupid and then there's this. |
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"My stats that I’ve personally seen
27 year old lung condition - in hospital fighting for his life
34 year old - no underlyings caught March last years can’t walk or work or look after her kids
42 year old - no underlyings still in hospital kids in care as single parent.
55 year old- no underlyings caught last September gave to her dad she buried him last week
7 year old - caught March last year gave to both grandparents who died.
9 year old- have to SEND brother who cannot cope with the hospitalisation and is struggling with hospital care
So no no one young died - happy days eh.
Well they have died and my daughter can testify to that. So dont ignore stats but also be aware that they can be wrong.
Think you missed the sarcasm in my last line .... x"
Sorry. I switched off my sarcasm button long ago as it didn't work in here so didn't see it. |
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"The virus is not particularly dangerous and it most certainly does care about age. If you are young or fit there are more important things to worry about than dying from Covid.
Let’s also not forget, estimates are that even now only about 22% of the population have been infected by the virus which has left over 80,000 dead. But hey, it’s not very dangerous so let’s no worry about it.. The point isn’t don’t worry about it; but We need people to go to work, make money, pay taxes. That’s how we pay for doctors, nurses, vaccines and everyrhing else. Hidding behind the sofa counting the dead and worrying about it will solve nothing.
The point is the more you stay in (hide if you wish but that was an obvious dig so I’ll ignore) the less time the country will close and the less knock on affects there will be. Why doesn’t anyone get this? "
Many people do get it.
Many don't.  |
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By *D835Man
over a year ago
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"My stats that I’ve personally seen
27 year old lung condition - in hospital fighting for his life
34 year old - no underlyings caught March last years can’t walk or work or look after her kids
42 year old - no underlyings still in hospital kids in care as single parent.
55 year old- no underlyings caught last September gave to her dad she buried him last week
7 year old - caught March last year gave to both grandparents who died.
9 year old- have to SEND brother who cannot cope with the hospitalisation and is struggling with hospital care
So no no one young died - happy days eh. "
Exactly this
Which is why above I said that covid affects people of all ages one way or the other.
Death is not the only consequence. |
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"The virus is not particularly dangerous and it most certainly does care about age. If you are young or fit there are more important things to worry about than dying from Covid.
Let’s also not forget, estimates are that even now only about 22% of the population have been infected by the virus which has left over 80,000 dead. But hey, it’s not very dangerous so let’s no worry about it.. The point isn’t don’t worry about it; but We need people to go to work, make money, pay taxes. That’s how we pay for doctors, nurses, vaccines and everyrhing else. Hidding behind the sofa counting the dead and worrying about it will solve nothing."
I don’t disagree That’s why most of the country are still working. Including me |
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"My stats that I’ve personally seen
27 year old lung condition - in hospital fighting for his life
34 year old - no underlyings caught March last years can’t walk or work or look after her kids
42 year old - no underlyings still in hospital kids in care as single parent.
55 year old- no underlyings caught last September gave to her dad she buried him last week
7 year old - caught March last year gave to both grandparents who died.
9 year old- have to SEND brother who cannot cope with the hospitalisation and is struggling with hospital care
So no no one young died - happy days eh.
Well they have died and my daughter can testify to that. So dont ignore stats but also be aware that they can be wrong."
We see no reason to believe that the NHS stats are incorrect, and this poster's personal experience does not disagree with them as you will note from the text of the original post that the period covered by the data quoted was only between 21 Dec and 11 Jan. The cases of the 7 and 55 yos are perfect illustrations of the type of thing we hope can be avoided by spreading this data a bit more widely than the NHS itself is and promoting better understanding of the massive difference in risk between the young and old. In addition to perhaps being more stringent in avoiding contact with the old, younger people may be a bit less reluctant to go for screening or help when they have symptoms of what could be other life threatening conditions (cancer, etc) if they understand that their personal level of risk from catching C19 may well be massively lower than that from, let's say, an untreated cancer (noting that even at the peak far more people still died daily of other things than of C19). The NHS has made frequent pleas for people to present such conditions but the mantra of 'anyone can catch it' works against them in this case. It doesn't help the young or the NHS if they don't catch C19 but then present later with a life threatening condition that could have been easily prevented. We're not suggesting that younger people shouldn't follow the law, they most certainly should. But in light of this information they may wish to consider what extra measures may be appropriate to their personal circumstances and relationships. Hopefully you can protect yourselves and the elderly AND the NHS much more effectively armed with this knowledge.
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"On Sunday during my shift I held the hand of a 49 year old man, while he struggled to breathe. His wife was sat next to him utterly distraught. I held his daughters hand (she was 19) while she watched her dad slowly and painfully struggle to breathe.
He died that afternoon.
Maybe he did have an underline health condition, maybe he smoked all his life, maybe he drank, but does that mean he doesn't matter? Just because he might have had a previous lung condition, that he doesn't count as a person and that it doesn't matter that his wife has just lost her husband and his 19 year old daughter has lost her dad?
Just because the elderly are slightly more likely to become hospitalised with covid, it doesn't mean the virus won't effect a healthy 30 year old, or a 40 year old man who plays football with his kids at the weekend, or the 50 year old lady who works in the local shop to support her children.
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You are right. Its disgusting of people saying "oh they put covid on his death certificate but he had this health problem". People with underlying health issues can live for years and decades. It was Covid that killed them so it is perfectly justifiable for COVID19 to be on their death certificate. |
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To all those who've pointed out that C19 not just about deaths - WE AGREE!
But unfortunately there's no good published data for that so we cannot say whether ongoing debilitation follows the same age related trend as death. It will probably be quite a few years and a huge amount of work to collect data, sift degrees of ongoing debilitation, etc, before that question can be answered, by which time it will be too late to use the info in any useful way to combat the disease as the emergency will have passed. It may turn out that some ongoing symptoms are age related and others are not. For sure it's a data analyst's nightmare in comparison to dead/not dead! However, if I had to put money on it I'd imagine that survival with ongoing problems would probably mainly follow the same trend as not surviving, therefore older survivors would be more likely to have ongoing problems than younger ones as they are far more likely to have had severe symptoms, which I think is everybody's experience as a generality. But that's nothing more than an educated guess! My C19 nurse isn't too much help with that one as once they've left the hospital contact ends. To be honest I'm not sure it matters - if you stop someone dying by not passing it to them then you also stop them getting it but surviving with ongoing problems by default. |
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