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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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any other regular train users on here?
How have you found pandemic train service? mostly good but still don't understand why the doors don't automatically open and why we have to still press button
also you can tell this lockdown is different as for the first three months of first lockdown i did not see one revenue officer or staff checking tickets on board.. changed around September but thought it would go low key again.. very quiet on my services
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Normally I am train and tube user.
At least 4 or 5 times a week but I haven't been on either since mid October.
I have found train travel a dream compared to pre pandemic, Train stations of very quiet as are the trains but I do travel off peak so that makes a difference.
The tubes have been another level of quietness and actually fairly pleasant but yes I totally understand what you mean about pressing the button on the train, the tube doors open automatically so assume the same should be possible on trains. |
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By *ornLordMan
over a year ago
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The trains have been a lot quieter when I have needed to travel. I am avoiding London buses like the plague, though, as the users seem to be mainly anti-mask, and happy to jabber away as well. I've never seen any sort of enforcement. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The trains have been a lot quieter when I have needed to travel. I am avoiding London buses like the plague, though, as the users seem to be mainly anti-mask, and happy to jabber away as well. I've never seen any sort of enforcement."
I found that at the beginning of the pandemic on the London buses but not so much in the last 4 months although haven't used the buses much recently.
They are still much quieter than they ever have been. |
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By *amillMan
over a year ago
Warrington |
"any other regular train users on here?
How have you found pandemic train service? mostly good but still don't understand why the doors don't automatically open and why we have to still press button
also you can tell this lockdown is different as for the first three months of first lockdown i did not see one revenue officer or staff checking tickets on board.. changed around September but thought it would go low key again.. very quiet on my services
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Just to address the reasoning behind why the doors don’t open automatically is down to the train systems, the doors can only be opened by inserting a key into a control point which the guard would need to operate. The control for the doors is not in the drivers cab, with the only exception being on trains with Driver Only Operation, these trains have had the door control system built into the cab! |
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As a member of railway staff, I can tell you that doors are opened by the driver, and closed by the guard/conductor on services that have a guard/conductor. It is also possible for the driver to open all doors if required. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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it's not every train so i guess the ones where the doors do open automatically the guard is choosing to be active. They have definately got keener on revenue protection last few months.. March to July I don't think i saw a guard and ticket barriers were left open.. not now
all about money in the end
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Haven't bothered to try because wheelchair spaces have been repurposed in many places and they can't guarantee assistance to board (not that it actually functioned pre Covid either  ) Cannot be faffed finding out I'm going to get left behind! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"any other regular train users on here?
How have you found pandemic train service? mostly good but still don't understand why the doors don't automatically open and why we have to still press button
also you can tell this lockdown is different as for the first three months of first lockdown i did not see one revenue officer or staff checking tickets on board.. changed around September but thought it would go low key again.. very quiet on my services
d
Just to address the reasoning behind why the doors don’t open automatically is down to the train systems, the doors can only be opened by inserting a key into a control point which the guard would need to operate. The control for the doors is not in the drivers cab, with the only exception being on trains with Driver Only Operation, these trains have had the door control system built into the cab!"
but the doors close automatically (or because someone turned a key) - would it not be possible to open them via the same process in reverse? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"it's not every train so i guess the ones where the doors do open automatically the guard is choosing to be active. They have definately got keener on revenue protection last few months.. March to July I don't think i saw a guard and ticket barriers were left open.. not now
all about money in the end
d"
really occasional use for me but i prefer to the bus if possible because usually more room to distance from other users ... the barriers have been closed and manned all the way through here in glasgow but never seen an inspector on the trains themselves... i assumed for their safety so they dont need to be mixing with all the customers in close contact |
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By *amillMan
over a year ago
Warrington |
"any other regular train users on here?
How have you found pandemic train service? mostly good but still don't understand why the doors don't automatically open and why we have to still press button
also you can tell this lockdown is different as for the first three months of first lockdown i did not see one revenue officer or staff checking tickets on board.. changed around September but thought it would go low key again.. very quiet on my services
d
Just to address the reasoning behind why the doors don’t open automatically is down to the train systems, the doors can only be opened by inserting a key into a control point which the guard would need to operate. The control for the doors is not in the drivers cab, with the only exception being on trains with Driver Only Operation, these trains have had the door control system built into the cab!
but the doors close automatically (or because someone turned a key) - would it not be possible to open them via the same process in reverse? "
So in the control panel the guard can basically ‘unlock’ the doors to allow passengers to press the button for them to open, and they can open the local door for that control panel which they do to check the platform is clear before unlocking doors.
Then when all passengers have alighted/boarded then he can lock all open doors except the local one. Check they close then lock the local one too.
Of course as someone pointed some train doors are controlled by the driver and this just depends where in the country you are. Predominately in the SE you’ll find driver door operation in place. |
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The times I have to use the train I found the elbow cones in very useful.
As for buses, only used them once and I was the only passenger on a double decker, blissful. Our buses have significantly reduced passengers though so likely to be putting people of.... double decker used to hold 70-87 people now max 30, single-deckers is a max of 11 or 14 |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The times I have to use the train I found the elbow cones in very useful.
As for buses, only used them once and I was the only passenger on a double decker, blissful. Our buses have significantly reduced passengers though so likely to be putting people of.... double decker used to hold 70-87 people now max 30, single-deckers is a max of 11 or 14"
there are door opening tool/ keyring things that are a good help... my friend gifted me one and it works great for pushing buttons on train doors or lifts or grabbing the handle on fire doors etc without having to touch them ... she did buy from primark back when it was open but they probably do them online |
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"The times I have to use the train I found the elbow cones in very useful.
As for buses, only used them once and I was the only passenger on a double decker, blissful. Our buses have significantly reduced passengers though so likely to be putting people of.... double decker used to hold 70-87 people now max 30, single-deckers is a max of 11 or 14
there are door opening tool/ keyring things that are a good help... my friend gifted me one and it works great for pushing buttons on train doors or lifts or grabbing the handle on fire doors etc without having to touch them ... she did buy from primark back when it was open but they probably do them online "
You can buy them on popular e-shopping portals. Work gave us one for opening doors at work, but absolutely useless when doing the door opening from the wheelchair |
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Train doors are armed by either drive or guard depending on the mode of operation in that region .
This however only arms the door system on the relevant platform side .
The doors only open when the door button is pressed at a particular door by a passenger . All train doors will not and cannot be physically opened by train crew
Any modification to do so would be complicated , expensive and have to go through a massive legal and safety assessed process so it won’t happen |
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"any other regular train users on here?
How have you found pandemic train service? mostly good but still don't understand why the doors don't automatically open and why we have to still press button
also you can tell this lockdown is different as for the first three months of first lockdown i did not see one revenue officer or staff checking tickets on board.. changed around September but thought it would go low key again.. very quiet on my services
d
Just to address the reasoning behind why the doors don’t open automatically is down to the train systems, the doors can only be opened by inserting a key into a control point which the guard would need to operate. The control for the doors is not in the drivers cab, with the only exception being on trains with Driver Only Operation, these trains have had the door control system built into the cab!
but the doors close automatically (or because someone turned a key) - would it not be possible to open them via the same process in reverse? "
The doors cannot be opened automatically because of Heath and safety, when busy people could be leaning on the doors and fall out. There is an over ride for emergencies which will allow the driver to open them all or one side or certain carriages x |
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