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By *aulj69 OP Man
over a year ago
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Eve all hope we are well? Aren't we all quite frankly pissed off with this whole Covid 19 now? I will try and keep a regular thing going here wondering what old BoJo may announce next, here's what I think. Due to the steep rise in cases BoJo will bring in a 3 metre distancing rule. What are your thoughts? X |
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over a year ago
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Count your self lucky .this side of the pond there's a 100xeuro fine to any one caught out side 5x kilometers .thats pedestrians and cyclists motorists. Everyone. Everywhere in Eire. |
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"Count your self lucky .this side of the pond there's a 100xeuro fine to any one caught out side 5x kilometers .thats pedestrians and cyclists motorists. Everyone. Everywhere in Eire. "
Nearly everyone blames Boris. But he is taking advice from experts the same as any prime minister would do.
Its is the immaturity of a lot of 'experts' who think they know better than the experts, that is allowing this terrible virus to escalate |
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"Count your self lucky .this side of the pond there's a 100xeuro fine to any one caught out side 5x kilometers .thats pedestrians and cyclists motorists. Everyone. Everywhere in Eire.
Nearly everyone blames Boris. But he is taking advice from experts the same as any prime minister would do.
Its is the immaturity of a lot of 'experts' who think they know better than the experts, that is allowing this terrible virus to escalate"
But he's ignoring the advice until the situation makes the decision for him. Leadership by prevarication is killing people. |
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I’ve not seen any reports of a 3m distancing rule
They’re actively reconsidering exercise with one other person you don’t live with. Because people can’t be trusted have been hanging out in groups |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Doesn’t matter what he says or when he says it there will still be far to many people still doing what the heck they like with their I’m ok Jack I’ll do what I want attitude. "
Which only goes to prove the addage is correct
'You can't cure stupid, and it seems you can't quarantine it either'. |
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Apparently there have been 65 changes since March to the laws around covid, perhaps that's why he thought cycling seven miles away was with the spirit of the 'stay local' aspect ..
And yes that's not excusing bad behaviours by anyone during this but it will allow some once again to point the fingers at the government and wonder if it's one rule for them and others for us .. |
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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago
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"Count your self lucky .this side of the pond there's a 100xeuro fine to any one caught out side 5x kilometers .thats pedestrians and cyclists motorists. Everyone. Everywhere in Eire.
Nearly everyone blames Boris. But he is taking advice from experts the same as any prime minister would do.
Its is the immaturity of a lot of 'experts' who think they know better than the experts, that is allowing this terrible virus to escalate
But he's ignoring the advice until the situation makes the decision for him. Leadership by prevarication is killing people. "
Exactly. Following the science by ignoring the science until we are in a crisis is not following the science, it’s being criminally negligent.
And we have a criminally negligent government. |
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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago
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"Not his fault society are selfish idiots that can't abide by rules."
It is his fault if the rules ignore the science, are intentionally unclear and are communicated appallingly.
People who excuse this government are complicit with them. |
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I’m of the opinion that it’s too simplistic a view to just blame people for breaking ‘rules’ as to the reason why this virus is spreading.
I believe it could quite easily be spreading if you’ve left a room, someone else enters 5 minutes or more later and the invisible aerosol is lingering, suspended in the air and enters someone’s eyes. People seem to forget it’s not just through the nose and mouth you can catch this.
So, unless you go completely against basic human nature and lock everyone in their homes forever more, the virus will spread regardless.
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By *mmmMaybeCouple
over a year ago
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He’ll clarify some pieces of advice & turn some of them into law.
The five mile rule & driving to take your exercise are likely candidates.
ie. your exercise starts at your front door, not two or twenty miles away in a beauty spot etc.
Cressida Dick just said more fines are likely as it’s preposterous that people still do not know the rules.Basically calling them all liars, I agree with her.
What she needs though is a clear line of what is & isn’t allowed, not sure she’ll get it.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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We're supposed to be adults, every single one of us know what we should be doing to help the NHS, elderly and vulnerable. Do we honestly need a government to spell it out in order for us to comply? I'm sick and tired of this 'blame anyone except myself' society for anything that causes issues. It's not the government's or the scientists fault that the virus is growing, overwhelming the NHS and killing thousands, it's every individuals fault that refuses to act like an adult and refuses to do the right thing, if that shoe fits you grow up!... Rant over. |
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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago
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"We're supposed to be adults, every single one of us know what we should be doing to help the NHS, elderly and vulnerable. Do we honestly need a government to spell it out in order for us to comply? I'm sick and tired of this 'blame anyone except myself' society for anything that causes issues. It's not the government's or the scientists fault that the virus is growing, overwhelming the NHS and killing thousands, it's every individuals fault that refuses to act like an adult and refuses to do the right thing, if that shoe fits you grow up!... Rant over."
Sorry, but that's complete nonsense.
This is a pandemic, and we have a government. It is the duty of government to martial the resources of the state correctly to protect the public health. That means providing a framework of economic resource and guidance to allow people to act in a way that will stem the pandemic. To not do so correctly is to be criminally incompetent. People who blame the comparatively small numbers of the general public are just blindly following the excuses that same government wants people to believe, and are complicit with them.
Furthermore, if our health service has been critically underfunded for a decade leaving it in a state where it is unable to cope with the additional burden of a pandemic, the blame lies with those who managed its funding during that time - and guess what? It’s the government.
However they are not entirely to blame - the people who voted them into power share that responsibility. |
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"We're supposed to be adults, every single one of us know what we should be doing to help the NHS, elderly and vulnerable. Do we honestly need a government to spell it out in order for us to comply? I'm sick and tired of this 'blame anyone except myself' society for anything that causes issues. It's not the government's or the scientists fault that the virus is growing, overwhelming the NHS and killing thousands, it's every individuals fault that refuses to act like an adult and refuses to do the right thing, if that shoe fits you grow up!... Rant over.
Sorry, but that's complete nonsense.
This is a pandemic, and we have a government. It is the duty of government to martial the resources of the state correctly to protect the public health. That means providing a framework of economic resource and guidance to allow people to act in a way that will stem the pandemic. To not do so correctly is to be criminally incompetent. People who blame the comparatively small numbers of the general public are just blindly following the excuses that same government wants people to believe, and are complicit with them.
Furthermore, if our health service has been critically underfunded for a decade leaving it in a state where it is unable to cope with the additional burden of a pandemic, the blame lies with those who managed its funding during that time - and guess what? It’s the government.
However they are not entirely to blame - the people who voted them into power share that responsibility."
So unless the government tells you not to jump off that 300 ft cliff you'll do so, because no one told you it's dangerous? People need to take responsibility for their actions! |
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"Not his fault society are selfish idiots that can't abide by rules.
It is his fault if the rules ignore the science, are intentionally unclear and are communicated appallingly.
People who excuse this government are complicit with them."
You seem to have a completely different agenda to this discussion. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"We're supposed to be adults, every single one of us know what we should be doing to help the NHS, elderly and vulnerable. Do we honestly need a government to spell it out in order for us to comply? I'm sick and tired of this 'blame anyone except myself' society for anything that causes issues. It's not the government's or the scientists fault that the virus is growing, overwhelming the NHS and killing thousands, it's every individuals fault that refuses to act like an adult and refuses to do the right thing, if that shoe fits you grow up!... Rant over."
Couldn't agree more. The rules in my eyes are simple. They are only ambiguous if you are looking for ambiguity. Just because someone, whoever that someone may be, breaks the rules, it doesn't mean you can or should. Don't go out unless it's essential. Stop trying to justify the non-essential. |
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Here In Turkey there is a total lockdown every weekend from 10 pm Friday until 5 am Monday and masks are compulsory outside of your dwelling. ,with hefty fines for non compliance.
And gues what? Cases are starting to fall.
Everyone should take a responsibility for there own safety.
As has been pointed out on here " you cant cure stupid.
It doesn't matter who is governing the advice would be from the same experts and WHO |
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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago
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"We're supposed to be adults, every single one of us know what we should be doing to help the NHS, elderly and vulnerable. Do we honestly need a government to spell it out in order for us to comply? I'm sick and tired of this 'blame anyone except myself' society for anything that causes issues. It's not the government's or the scientists fault that the virus is growing, overwhelming the NHS and killing thousands, it's every individuals fault that refuses to act like an adult and refuses to do the right thing, if that shoe fits you grow up!... Rant over.
Sorry, but that's complete nonsense.
This is a pandemic, and we have a government. It is the duty of government to martial the resources of the state correctly to protect the public health. That means providing a framework of economic resource and guidance to allow people to act in a way that will stem the pandemic. To not do so correctly is to be criminally incompetent. People who blame the comparatively small numbers of the general public are just blindly following the excuses that same government wants people to believe, and are complicit with them.
Furthermore, if our health service has been critically underfunded for a decade leaving it in a state where it is unable to cope with the additional burden of a pandemic, the blame lies with those who managed its funding during that time - and guess what? It’s the government.
However they are not entirely to blame - the people who voted them into power share that responsibility.
So unless the government tells you not to jump off that 300 ft cliff you'll do so, because no one told you it's dangerous? People need to take responsibility for their actions!"
Unless you seriously think managing a national emergency is the same as choosing not to jump off a cliff, your post is irrelevant. |
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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago
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"Not his fault society are selfish idiots that can't abide by rules.
It is his fault if the rules ignore the science, are intentionally unclear and are communicated appallingly.
People who excuse this government are complicit with them.
You seem to have a completely different agenda to this discussion."
Why, what is the ‘agenda of this discussion’? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"We're supposed to be adults, every single one of us know what we should be doing to help the NHS, elderly and vulnerable. Do we honestly need a government to spell it out in order for us to comply? I'm sick and tired of this 'blame anyone except myself' society for anything that causes issues. It's not the government's or the scientists fault that the virus is growing, overwhelming the NHS and killing thousands, it's every individuals fault that refuses to act like an adult and refuses to do the right thing, if that shoe fits you grow up!... Rant over.
Sorry, but that's complete nonsense.
This is a pandemic, and we have a government. It is the duty of government to martial the resources of the state correctly to protect the public health. That means providing a framework of economic resource and guidance to allow people to act in a way that will stem the pandemic. To not do so correctly is to be criminally incompetent. People who blame the comparatively small numbers of the general public are just blindly following the excuses that same government wants people to believe, and are complicit with them.
Furthermore, if our health service has been critically underfunded for a decade leaving it in a state where it is unable to cope with the additional burden of a pandemic, the blame lies with those who managed its funding during that time - and guess what? It’s the government.
However they are not entirely to blame - the people who voted them into power share that responsibility.
So unless the government tells you not to jump off that 300 ft cliff you'll do so, because no one told you it's dangerous? People need to take responsibility for their actions!
Unless you seriously think managing a national emergency is the same as choosing not to jump off a cliff, your post is irrelevant."
I rest my case, sadly...you typify the society I spoke about. |
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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago
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"Here In Turkey there is a total lockdown every weekend from 10 pm Friday until 5 am Monday and masks are compulsory outside of your dwelling. ,with hefty fines for non compliance.
And gues what? Cases are starting to fall.
Everyone should take a responsibility for there own safety.
As has been pointed out on here " you cant cure stupid.
It doesn't matter who is governing the advice would be from the same experts and WHO"
It’s interesting you think everyone should take responsibility for their own safety, yet provide a specific example of a government using the tools at its disposal to ensure people act in accordance with public health policy.
Of course there should be personal responsibility - but that needs to be applied within a clear framework of regulation with strict action against those who do not follow it. This is not the situation in the UK unfortunately. |
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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago
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"We're supposed to be adults, every single one of us know what we should be doing to help the NHS, elderly and vulnerable. Do we honestly need a government to spell it out in order for us to comply? I'm sick and tired of this 'blame anyone except myself' society for anything that causes issues. It's not the government's or the scientists fault that the virus is growing, overwhelming the NHS and killing thousands, it's every individuals fault that refuses to act like an adult and refuses to do the right thing, if that shoe fits you grow up!... Rant over.
Sorry, but that's complete nonsense.
This is a pandemic, and we have a government. It is the duty of government to martial the resources of the state correctly to protect the public health. That means providing a framework of economic resource and guidance to allow people to act in a way that will stem the pandemic. To not do so correctly is to be criminally incompetent. People who blame the comparatively small numbers of the general public are just blindly following the excuses that same government wants people to believe, and are complicit with them.
Furthermore, if our health service has been critically underfunded for a decade leaving it in a state where it is unable to cope with the additional burden of a pandemic, the blame lies with those who managed its funding during that time - and guess what? It’s the government.
However they are not entirely to blame - the people who voted them into power share that responsibility.
So unless the government tells you not to jump off that 300 ft cliff you'll do so, because no one told you it's dangerous? People need to take responsibility for their actions!
Unless you seriously think managing a national emergency is the same as choosing not to jump off a cliff, your post is irrelevant.
I rest my case, sadly...you typify the society I spoke about."
In other words you are unable to articulate your reasoning...which strongly suggests there was none. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"We're supposed to be adults, every single one of us know what we should be doing to help the NHS, elderly and vulnerable. Do we honestly need a government to spell it out in order for us to comply? I'm sick and tired of this 'blame anyone except myself' society for anything that causes issues. It's not the government's or the scientists fault that the virus is growing, overwhelming the NHS and killing thousands, it's every individuals fault that refuses to act like an adult and refuses to do the right thing, if that shoe fits you grow up!... Rant over.
Sorry, but that's complete nonsense.
This is a pandemic, and we have a government. It is the duty of government to martial the resources of the state correctly to protect the public health. That means providing a framework of economic resource and guidance to allow people to act in a way that will stem the pandemic. To not do so correctly is to be criminally incompetent. People who blame the comparatively small numbers of the general public are just blindly following the excuses that same government wants people to believe, and are complicit with them.
Furthermore, if our health service has been critically underfunded for a decade leaving it in a state where it is unable to cope with the additional burden of a pandemic, the blame lies with those who managed its funding during that time - and guess what? It’s the government.
However they are not entirely to blame - the people who voted them into power share that responsibility.
So unless the government tells you not to jump off that 300 ft cliff you'll do so, because no one told you it's dangerous? People need to take responsibility for their actions!
Unless you seriously think managing a national emergency is the same as choosing not to jump off a cliff, your post is irrelevant.
I rest my case, sadly...you typify the society I spoke about.
In other words you are unable to articulate your reasoning...which strongly suggests there was none."
Having read your reply to another post, where you actually agree that people need to take individual responsibility, I fail to see why you're even arguing my point that people need to grow up and take responsibility? Unless of course, it's just because you like to argue for the sake of it? |
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"He’ll clarify some pieces of advice & turn some of them into law.
The five mile rule & driving to take your exercise are likely candidates.
ie. your exercise starts at your front door, not two or twenty miles away in a beauty spot etc.
Cressida Dick just said more fines are likely as it’s preposterous that people still do not know the rules.Basically calling them all liars, I agree with her.
What she needs though is a clear line of what is & isn’t allowed, not sure she’ll get it.
S"
That's the point, Cressida Dick can say what she likes but unless a citizen is in breach of legislation there can be no sanctions. An officer on the street cannot issue a ticket to a citizen for travelling too far when there is no set distance in legislation hence the 2 ladies in Derbyshire having their fines refunded. |
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"Apparently there have been 65 changes since March to the laws around covid, perhaps that's why he thought cycling seven miles away was with the spirit of the 'stay local' aspect ..
And yes that's not excusing bad behaviours by anyone during this but it will allow some once again to point the fingers at the government and wonder if it's one rule for them and others for us .."
he was cycling on his own and as a cyclist 7 miles is local...or is he just meant to cycle up and down Downing Street |
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"Count your self lucky .this side of the pond there's a 100xeuro fine to any one caught out side 5x kilometers .thats pedestrians and cyclists motorists. Everyone. Everywhere in Eire.
Nearly everyone blames Boris. But he is taking advice from experts the same as any prime minister would do.
Its is the immaturity of a lot of 'experts' who think they know better than the experts, that is allowing this terrible virus to escalate"
I think you may not have been following the situation very well at all. He's typically not followed the expert advice, nor shown much willingness to keep himself informed or make decisions on the pressing advice and developments. Lockdown 1 was delayed much too much. Lockdown 2 similarly, when experts insisted lockdown was needed in the autumn. The night before lockdown 3 he insisted schools were safe. He set expectations for Christmas to be open, with many days of multiple households mixing, so people ordered scarce supplies accordingly, then charged it at the last minute, experts wanted no mixing. He allowed infected elderly to leave hospitals to care homes, causing untold numbers of deaths. His late lockdowns have caused over 20,000 excess deaths. An epidemic readiness testing report, from before the virus, was still unread by him and released, at the end of summer. He's lacked decisiveness, not done things until too late, generally been reactive and not correctly proactive or strategically astute, taken wrong decisions and communicated very badly, which most people rightly see as the role of a leader to be able to do. He's also shown willingness to shift responsibility to others, be noticeable by his absence and to bodge things. His form is that of an incompetent, self-entitled loser, hardly managing to do anything correctly.
If he were to do anything next, he may pick at low hanging fruit, that may appeal to his populist base, but which won't be the credible action that will shift the crisis towards recovery in the shortest time frame. We're in a much worse situation than at the start of lockdown 1 but things are woefully more chaotic, with a leadership that's not trusted by the majority. |
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"Count your self lucky .this side of the pond there's a 100xeuro fine to any one caught out side 5x kilometers .thats pedestrians and cyclists motorists. Everyone. Everywhere in Eire.
Nearly everyone blames Boris. But he is taking advice from experts the same as any prime minister would do.
Its is the immaturity of a lot of 'experts' who think they know better than the experts, that is allowing this terrible virus to escalate"
Absolutely |
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"I’ve not seen any reports of a 3m distancing rule
They’re actively reconsidering exercise with one other person you don’t live with. Because people can’t be trusted have been hanging out in groups "
SAGE suggested 3m |
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"We're supposed to be adults, every single one of us know what we should be doing to help the NHS, elderly and vulnerable. Do we honestly need a government to spell it out in order for us to comply? I'm sick and tired of this 'blame anyone except myself' society for anything that causes issues. It's not the government's or the scientists fault that the virus is growing, overwhelming the NHS and killing thousands, it's every individuals fault that refuses to act like an adult and refuses to do the right thing, if that shoe fits you grow up!... Rant over.
Sorry, but that's complete nonsense.
This is a pandemic, and we have a government. It is the duty of government to martial the resources of the state correctly to protect the public health. That means providing a framework of economic resource and guidance to allow people to act in a way that will stem the pandemic. To not do so correctly is to be criminally incompetent. People who blame the comparatively small numbers of the general public are just blindly following the excuses that same government wants people to believe, and are complicit with them.
Furthermore, if our health service has been critically underfunded for a decade leaving it in a state where it is unable to cope with the additional burden of a pandemic, the blame lies with those who managed its funding during that time - and guess what? It’s the government.
However they are not entirely to blame - the people who voted them into power share that responsibility."
Not just thus government |
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"Bojos next announcement leak.
mumble mumble blah err um blah blah rob the poor eh uh mumble blah feed the rich Brexit brexit mumble avoid tax."
Makes a change from krankie
Independence blah blah we oh ah next we demand oh what about salmon. N |
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"Apparently there have been 65 changes since March to the laws around covid, perhaps that's why he thought cycling seven miles away was with the spirit of the 'stay local' aspect ..
And yes that's not excusing bad behaviours by anyone during this but it will allow some once again to point the fingers at the government and wonder if it's one rule for them and others for us .. he was cycling on his own and as a cyclist 7 miles is local...or is he just meant to cycle up and down Downing Street"
See I get the common sense albeit very simply put point your making but the legislation does not specify what such distances are..
The law as such is toothless and open to interpretation, and subsequently challenge..
It's wooly and does more to hinder than assist in clamping down on those who want to play games with the authorities..
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"Bojos next announcement leak.
mumble mumble blah err um blah blah rob the poor eh uh mumble blah feed the rich Brexit brexit mumble avoid tax."
You missed out something in latin.
Downing st not confirming if he travelled by car for his bike trip.
Leading by example again. |
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"Apparently there have been 65 changes since March to the laws around covid, perhaps that's why he thought cycling seven miles away was with the spirit of the 'stay local' aspect ..
And yes that's not excusing bad behaviours by anyone during this but it will allow some once again to point the fingers at the government and wonder if it's one rule for them and others for us .. he was cycling on his own and as a cyclist 7 miles is local...or is he just meant to cycle up and down Downing Street"
If you know he was cycling on his own and not been driven to the park to commence his cycling. .you must have some inside info. As no one else seems to be able to get a answer on that one... |
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