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Covid: Morrisons and Sainsbury's ban maskless shoppers

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago

Morrisons will bar customers who refuse to wear face coverings from its shops amid rising coronavirus infections.

From Monday, shoppers who refuse to wear face masks offered by staff will not be allowed inside, unless they are medically exempt.

Sainsbury's also said it would challenge those not wearing a mask or who were shopping in groups.

The announcements come amid concerns that social distancing measures are not being adhered to in supermarkets.

Looks like we are moving closer towards many other countries for example Italy.

The principal message now been pushed is you must wear a mask to protect other people. Regardless of the reasons if you don't now wear a mask now given the fact that in some places 1 in 20 people have covid then you are putting other peoples lives at risk.

It's also quite suprising just how many countries where mask exemptions simply don't exist. Many people from those countries just don't get why anybody would ever refuse to wear a mask given the fact that it could stop you effectively causing someone's death. They view it in those simple black and white terms. More and more this view is taking hold in the UK.

Is fair to ask (given the UK situation currently) that if you can't wear a mask then you can't go into public places where you can potentially infect others and god forbid cause someone's death?

Should the government organise a support shopper network to get the maskless off the streets to reduce the spread but at the same time ensure that there basic needs are meet?

Here are some links (please don't ban me mods if you don't like the source can you just remove the links)

https://www.mirror.co.uk/money/morrisons-bans-shoppers-without-face-23299304

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55618408

(*note the above aren't necessarily my opinions but are what a lot of my colleagues at work are starting to express and its clearly been driven by some politicians and main stream media)

KJ

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman  over a year ago

all loved up

People arent wearing masks... they arent washing their hands or keeping space anymore.

So this will be a good thing I think.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"People arent wearing masks... they arent washing their hands or keeping space anymore.

So this will be a good thing I think. "

I went to Asda today and the lack of people without a Mask (also without lanyards either) was just ridiculous. I Had words with 2 maskless idiots that both tried to stand way to close to me in the checkout queue when I was in front of them. I personally will be going to Morrisons or Sainsburys from Monday to see if its safer with the new policy in effect.

KJ

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By *ionelhutzMan  over a year ago

liverpool

I went to sainsbury's on sat..think I saw 1 person without one.

I'm surprised they havent brought it in,in workplaces.

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By *amissCouple  over a year ago

chelmsford


"I went to sainsbury's on sat..think I saw 1 person without one.

I'm surprised they havent brought it in,in workplaces."

And in the streets

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"I went to sainsbury's on sat..think I saw 1 person without one.

I'm surprised they havent brought it in,in workplaces.

And in the streets"

I don't think that's to far away now tbh

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I went to sainsbury's on sat..think I saw 1 person without one.

I'm surprised they havent brought it in,in workplaces.

And in the streets"

Defo in public parks...and bloody joggers need to wear then ...feckers puffing and panting as the run passed you

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By *ap d agde coupleCouple  over a year ago

Broadstairs

Will they legally be able to ask people why they haven’t got a mask on ? Government advice is you should not and people are covered under DDA

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By *sGivesWoodWoman  over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL


"Will they legally be able to ask people why they haven’t got a mask on ? Government advice is you should not and people are covered under DDA "

You've just answered your own question.

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By *ap d agde coupleCouple  over a year ago

Broadstairs


"Will they legally be able to ask people why they haven’t got a mask on ? Government advice is you should not and people are covered under DDA

You've just answered your own question. "
So a pointless statement by supermarkets

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By *inky_couple2020Couple  over a year ago

North West


"I went to sainsbury's on sat..think I saw 1 person without one.

I'm surprised they havent brought it in,in workplaces."

They've been in at my workplace since September. Well, everyone got sent home to work again, but the policy is still there.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman  over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL


"Will they legally be able to ask people why they haven’t got a mask on ? Government advice is you should not and people are covered under DDA

You've just answered your own question. So a pointless statement by supermarkets "

Pretty much.

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By *ionelhutzMan  over a year ago

liverpool


"I went to sainsbury's on sat..think I saw 1 person without one.

I'm surprised they havent brought it in,in workplaces.

They've been in at my workplace since September. Well, everyone got sent home to work again, but the policy is still there."

I wouldnt be surprised if they made them compulsory everywhere.

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By *ap d agde coupleCouple  over a year ago

Broadstairs


"Will they legally be able to ask people why they haven’t got a mask on ? Government advice is you should not and people are covered under DDA

You've just answered your own question. So a pointless statement by supermarkets

Pretty much. "
Headline grabbing puts them in the spotlight good for business ?

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By *amissCouple  over a year ago

chelmsford


"I went to sainsbury's on sat..think I saw 1 person without one.

I'm surprised they havent brought it in,in workplaces.

And in the streets

I don't think that's to far away now tbh"

That would be a good thing , IMO

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By *amissCouple  over a year ago

chelmsford


"I went to sainsbury's on sat..think I saw 1 person without one.

I'm surprised they havent brought it in,in workplaces.

And in the streets

Defo in public parks...and bloody joggers need to wear then ...feckers puffing and panting as the run passed you "

Haha

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

some people will prefer to shop there now no doubt

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Will they legally be able to ask people why they haven’t got a mask on ? Government advice is you should not and people are covered under DDA

You've just answered your own question. So a pointless statement by supermarkets

Pretty much. Headline grabbing puts them in the spotlight good for business ? "

All most of these “rules” or “requests” (brand them as you will) are is pointless and nobody has a clue what to do anymore! I read earlier Sainsbury’s want to encourage people to shop alone, so a couple can live together and exercise outdoors together but they can’t shop together?

Utterly pointless and ridiculous and until someone comes along and can actually give us a set of guidelines that make sense nobody will follow any of it and continue to go about as they have done previously

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By *andAukCouple  over a year ago

leeds

We've been told today that we can now challenge customers as per new government guides. Supermarkets are now been held liable for customers not wearing them without a health exemption and facing heavy fines. I don't work in a supermarket but where following the same guide to encourage consistency.

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By *atelotmanMan  over a year ago

Chatham

I dont know about wearing a mask, in my local Morrisons. They should start counting how many they allow in at anyone time like they did last year.Every till was backed up with people with baskets or trolley.Among then one or two were not wearing masks.Cant wait to see how the store deals with that come Monday.

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By *orny PTMan  over a year ago

Peterborough

3 cheers for common sense.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Many of the countries I have worked in the citizens routinely wear face masks. Most are made from silk, but I don't see many people in the news pictures from England that look like their mask is silk. Do you have silk masks? They are easier to breather through and I believe they are better than most materials against covid droplets.

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By *ackformore100Man  over a year ago

Tin town


"

Morrisons will bar customers who refuse to wear face coverings from its shops amid rising coronavirus infections.

From Monday, shoppers who refuse to wear face masks offered by staff will not be allowed inside, unless they are medically exempt.

Sainsbury's also said it would challenge those not wearing a mask or who were shopping in groups.

The announcements come amid concerns that social distancing measures are not being adhered to in supermarkets.

Looks like we are moving closer towards many other countries for example Italy.

The principal message now been pushed is you must wear a mask to protect other people. Regardless of the reasons if you don't now wear a mask now given the fact that in some places 1 in 20 people have covid then you are putting other peoples lives at risk.

It's also quite suprising just how many countries where mask exemptions simply don't exist. Many people from those countries just don't get why anybody would ever refuse to wear a mask given the fact that it could stop you effectively causing someone's death. They view it in those simple black and white terms. More and more this view is taking hold in the UK.

Is fair to ask (given the UK situation currently) that if you can't wear a mask then you can't go into public places where you can potentially infect others and god forbid cause someone's death?

Should the government organise a support shopper network to get the maskless off the streets to reduce the spread but at the same time ensure that there basic needs are meet?

Here are some links (please don't ban me mods if you don't like the source can you just remove the links)

https://www.mirror.co.uk/money/morrisons-bans-shoppers-without-face-23299304

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55618408

(*note the above aren't necessarily my opinions but are what a lot of my colleagues at work are starting to express and its clearly been driven by some politicians and main stream media)

KJ"

It's only taken 10 months... Long overdue

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By *inky_couple2020Couple  over a year ago

North West


"Many of the countries I have worked in the citizens routinely wear face masks. Most are made from silk, but I don't see many people in the news pictures from England that look like their mask is silk. Do you have silk masks? They are easier to breather through and I believe they are better than most materials against covid droplets. "

I have several silk masks, yes. I believe the material had originally been intended to make lampshades

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By *amissCouple  over a year ago

chelmsford


"Many of the countries I have worked in the citizens routinely wear face masks. Most are made from silk, but I don't see many people in the news pictures from England that look like their mask is silk. Do you have silk masks? They are easier to breather through and I believe they are better than most materials against covid droplets. "

I've not seen silk ones, personally, mainly cotton ones, but I will have a look in the essential shops, next time I am out x

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I can't help but be cynical in these ever more cynical times but Morrison's statement (Sainsburys has been misread/misinterpreted) are putting themselves above the law.

The law on Gov.UK is very clear and very basic to understand and follow (hey rare for me to stand up for the Gov) but its all there.

In a nutshell people who are medically exempt do not have to wear a mask. They also, under the law, do not have to provide proof as to why they are exempt nor can anyone challenge them to produce proof. Its all explained why in the law.

So call me cynical but I can't help but think this is a marketing campaign by sales hit Morrisons (they're always last in the turnover league tables) to entice more customers into their supposed 'Covid-free shopping utopia'.

If Morrisons genuinely disagree with the law and think its not strict enough they should lobby their MP to try and have it amended. But they can't just impose their own rules willy-nilly.

Like I say I'm just quoting the Gov.UK law here so don't shoot the messenger. And -yes- the observant of you will point out "well anyone can avoid wearing a mask then" loophole. But given the law is so simple to follow and for Morrisons to enforce I have to question Morrison's actual objectives here.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

As long as exempt people are not being discriminating against I actually see this is a positive because the abuse but exempt people get even with Langyard is shocking. So maybe those that won't wear a mask will now wear one so people who are genuinely exempt can just get on with their lives the best they can.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Many of the countries I have worked in the citizens routinely wear face masks. Most are made from silk, but I don't see many people in the news pictures from England that look like their mask is silk. Do you have silk masks? They are easier to breather through and I believe they are better than most materials against covid droplets.

I've not seen silk ones, personally, mainly cotton ones, but I will have a look in the essential shops, next time I am out x"

I have a beautiful silk mask the ash brought me for Christmas.

I can't always wear it but it does feel nice against my skin so I'm hopeful I can wear it for short periods.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Many of the countries I have worked in the citizens routinely wear face masks. Most are made from silk, but I don't see many people in the news pictures from England that look like their mask is silk. Do you have silk masks? They are easier to breather through and I believe they are better than most materials against covid droplets.

I have several silk masks, yes. I believe the material had originally been intended to make lampshades "

How illuminating

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By *amissCouple  over a year ago

chelmsford


"Many of the countries I have worked in the citizens routinely wear face masks. Most are made from silk, but I don't see many people in the news pictures from England that look like their mask is silk. Do you have silk masks? They are easier to breather through and I believe they are better than most materials against covid droplets.

I've not seen silk ones, personally, mainly cotton ones, but I will have a look in the essential shops, next time I am out x

I have a beautiful silk mask the ash brought me for Christmas.

I can't always wear it but it does feel nice against my skin so I'm hopeful I can wear it for short periods."

Sounds nice xx

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By *amissCouple  over a year ago

chelmsford


"Many of the countries I have worked in the citizens routinely wear face masks. Most are made from silk, but I don't see many people in the news pictures from England that look like their mask is silk. Do you have silk masks? They are easier to breather through and I believe they are better than most materials against covid droplets.

I have several silk masks, yes. I believe the material had originally been intended to make lampshades

How illuminating "

Haha!

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By *ionelhutzMan  over a year ago

liverpool


"I can't help but be cynical in these ever more cynical times but Morrison's statement (Sainsburys has been misread/misinterpreted) are putting themselves above the law.

The law on Gov.UK is very clear and very basic to understand and follow (hey rare for me to stand up for the Gov) but its all there.

In a nutshell people who are medically exempt do not have to wear a mask. They also, under the law, do not have to provide proof as to why they are exempt nor can anyone challenge them to produce proof. Its all explained why in the law.

So call me cynical but I can't help but think this is a marketing campaign by sales hit Morrisons (they're always last in the turnover league tables) to entice more customers into their supposed 'Covid-free shopping utopia'.

If Morrisons genuinely disagree with the law and think its not strict enough they should lobby their MP to try and have it amended. But they can't just impose their own rules willy-nilly.

Like I say I'm just quoting the Gov.UK law here so don't shoot the messenger. And -yes- the observant of you will point out "well anyone can avoid wearing a mask then" loophole. But given the law is so simple to follow and for Morrisons to enforce I have to question Morrison's actual objectives here. "

Prob some truth in that tbf.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Many of the countries I have worked in the citizens routinely wear face masks. Most are made from silk, but I don't see many people in the news pictures from England that look like their mask is silk. Do you have silk masks? They are easier to breather through and I believe they are better than most materials against covid droplets.

I've not seen silk ones, personally, mainly cotton ones, but I will have a look in the essential shops, next time I am out x"

Hello I hope you, your husband and Molly had a nice Christmas

Also, be very wary of cats around silk. The static build-up could power a television

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By *inky_couple2020Couple  over a year ago

North West


"Many of the countries I have worked in the citizens routinely wear face masks. Most are made from silk, but I don't see many people in the news pictures from England that look like their mask is silk. Do you have silk masks? They are easier to breather through and I believe they are better than most materials against covid droplets.

I have several silk masks, yes. I believe the material had originally been intended to make lampshades

How illuminating "

Yes, they're jolly marvellous

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By *ady LickWoman  over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

Thanks for the link OP. All shops should follow suit imo. I've sent the link to my boss, be interesting to see what he thinks.

If people don't comply I can see them shutting retailers who aren't really essential.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Will you all listen To yourselves.

Advocating wearing masks OUTDOORS? There is simply no medical justification for this knee jerk nonsense.

I understand indoors in supermarkets and fully comply.

But i will never wear one outdoors. Especially if exercising. Ever.

(For the record I don't expect such a ridiculous requirement will ever be suggested)

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Thanks for the link OP. All shops should follow suit imo. I've sent the link to my boss, be interesting to see what he thinks.

If people don't comply I can see them shutting retailers who aren't really essential. "

Have they not already shut all non essential retail?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Many of the countries I have worked in the citizens routinely wear face masks. Most are made from silk, but I don't see many people in the news pictures from England that look like their mask is silk. Do you have silk masks? They are easier to breather through and I believe they are better than most materials against covid droplets.

I have several silk masks, yes. I believe the material had originally been intended to make lampshades

How illuminating

Yes, they're jolly marvellous "

I have some rather magnificent mulberry silk pyjamas, but I dare not wear them for the reason outlined above

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"As long as exempt people are not being discriminating against I actually see this is a positive because the abuse but exempt people get even with Langyard is shocking. So maybe those that won't wear a mask will now wear one so people who are genuinely exempt can just get on with their lives the best they can."

But just questioning people IS discrimination. That's not an opinion, that is the law.

Morrisons are going to regret this when the cases start to go before the courts.

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By *ed VoluptaWoman  over a year ago

Wirral.


"As long as exempt people are not being discriminating against I actually see this is a positive because the abuse but exempt people get even with Langyard is shocking. So maybe those that won't wear a mask will now wear one so people who are genuinely exempt can just get on with their lives the best they can."

I think this is a good point, LornaJo. I'm all for exempt people not being victimised. Genuine people not able to wear a mask tend to observe social distancing in shops, as they can see they'll be more vulnerable, but tossers who just can't be arsed are always getting too close x

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By *amissCouple  over a year ago

chelmsford


"Many of the countries I have worked in the citizens routinely wear face masks. Most are made from silk, but I don't see many people in the news pictures from England that look like their mask is silk. Do you have silk masks? They are easier to breather through and I believe they are better than most materials against covid droplets.

I've not seen silk ones, personally, mainly cotton ones, but I will have a look in the essential shops, next time I am out x

Hello I hope you, your husband and Molly had a nice Christmas

Also, be very wary of cats around silk. The static build-up could power a television "

Hello, we did thank you and hope you and the kittys did too! Ooh better keep Molly away from my silk negligee

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Many of the countries I have worked in the citizens routinely wear face masks. Most are made from silk, but I don't see many people in the news pictures from England that look like their mask is silk. Do you have silk masks? They are easier to breather through and I believe they are better than most materials against covid droplets.

I've not seen silk ones, personally, mainly cotton ones, but I will have a look in the essential shops, next time I am out x

Hello I hope you, your husband and Molly had a nice Christmas

Also, be very wary of cats around silk. The static build-up could power a television

Hello, we did thank you and hope you and the kittys did too! Ooh better keep Molly away from my silk negligee "

It could put the spark back into your relationship?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Will you all listen To yourselves.

Advocating wearing masks OUTDOORS? There is simply no medical justification for this knee jerk nonsense.

I understand indoors in supermarkets and fully comply.

But i will never wear one outdoors. Especially if exercising. Ever.

(For the record I don't expect such a ridiculous requirement will ever be suggested)"

I think you should google if masks should be worn outside in the UK. You may be surprised.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple  over a year ago

North West


"Many of the countries I have worked in the citizens routinely wear face masks. Most are made from silk, but I don't see many people in the news pictures from England that look like their mask is silk. Do you have silk masks? They are easier to breather through and I believe they are better than most materials against covid droplets.

I have several silk masks, yes. I believe the material had originally been intended to make lampshades

How illuminating

Yes, they're jolly marvellous

I have some rather magnificent mulberry silk pyjamas, but I dare not wear them for the reason outlined above "

If it helps, my silk masks have never once given me a shock. That was just how the checkout assistant felt when she saw me

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By *ap d agde coupleCouple  over a year ago

Broadstairs


"As long as exempt people are not being discriminating against I actually see this is a positive because the abuse but exempt people get even with Langyard is shocking. So maybe those that won't wear a mask will now wear one so people who are genuinely exempt can just get on with their lives the best they can.

But just questioning people IS discrimination. That's not an opinion, that is the law.

Morrisons are going to regret this when the cases start to go before the courts."
They wont challenge anyone it’s just marketing

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By *ensualtouch15Man  over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

Problem is

Until they make people wear them when they meet secretly or meet their mum and make them not touch in private and make them stay 2 m privately it will spread

Sorry

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By *ady LickWoman  over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere


"Thanks for the link OP. All shops should follow suit imo. I've sent the link to my boss, be interesting to see what he thinks.

If people don't comply I can see them shutting retailers who aren't really essential.

Have they not already shut all non essential retail?"

The list of what shops can open is huge. B&Q, B&M, garden centres ~ all magnets for people who mooch!

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By *amissCouple  over a year ago

chelmsford


"Many of the countries I have worked in the citizens routinely wear face masks. Most are made from silk, but I don't see many people in the news pictures from England that look like their mask is silk. Do you have silk masks? They are easier to breather through and I believe they are better than most materials against covid droplets.

I've not seen silk ones, personally, mainly cotton ones, but I will have a look in the essential shops, next time I am out x

Hello I hope you, your husband and Molly had a nice Christmas

Also, be very wary of cats around silk. The static build-up could power a television

Hello, we did thank you and hope you and the kittys did too! Ooh better keep Molly away from my silk negligee

It could put the spark back into your relationship? "

Haha

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By *weedeldumbCouple (MM)  over a year ago

Leeds & Harrogate


"I can't help but be cynical in these ever more cynical times but Morrison's statement (Sainsburys has been misread/misinterpreted) are putting themselves above the law.

The law on Gov.UK is very clear and very basic to understand and follow (hey rare for me to stand up for the Gov) but its all there.

In a nutshell people who are medically exempt do not have to wear a mask. They also, under the law, do not have to provide proof as to why they are exempt nor can anyone challenge them to produce proof. Its all explained why in the law.

So call me cynical but I can't help but think this is a marketing campaign by sales hit Morrisons (they're always last in the turnover league tables) to entice more customers into their supposed 'Covid-free shopping utopia'.

If Morrisons genuinely disagree with the law and think its not strict enough they should lobby their MP to try and have it amended. But they can't just impose their own rules willy-nilly.

Like I say I'm just quoting the Gov.UK law here so don't shoot the messenger. And -yes- the observant of you will point out "well anyone can avoid wearing a mask then" loophole. But given the law is so simple to follow and for Morrisons to enforce I have to question Morrison's actual objectives here. "

Absolutely spot on. That is the law. End of. Neither you nor I nor Morrisons can just cherry pick which bits suit us best. Sure the law is a definite compromise to try and cater for everyone in this unprecedented times so nothing is ever going to be perfect.

But your 'come and spend your money at Morrisons cos we're the safest and if you spend money at our competitor you'll die" hint is spot on here.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Thanks for the link OP. All shops should follow suit imo. I've sent the link to my boss, be interesting to see what he thinks.

If people don't comply I can see them shutting retailers who aren't really essential.

Have they not already shut all non essential retail?

The list of what shops can open is huge. B&Q, B&M, garden centres ~ all magnets for people who mooch!"

B&M and B&Q are tricky ones though like poundland and the range because they do sell essential items.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"As long as exempt people are not being discriminating against I actually see this is a positive because the abuse but exempt people get even with Langyard is shocking. So maybe those that won't wear a mask will now wear one so people who are genuinely exempt can just get on with their lives the best they can.

I think this is a good point, LornaJo. I'm all for exempt people not being victimised. Genuine people not able to wear a mask tend to observe social distancing in shops, as they can see they'll be more vulnerable, but tossers who just can't be arsed are always getting too close x"

It is an absolute nightmare and I am seriously considering not going out again because of some of the threads I have read and also some of the comments on the BBC fb post.

I always try and stay as far away from people as possible even before covid.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Just playing devil's advocate here, but is there any aspect of UK law that allows a retail premises to refuse entry to anybody they may feel is a danger to staff or customers? My sister tells me that there is in Japan, and this has been used a lot in similar circumstances to justify refusing entry to people without masks, whether disabled or not.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"As long as exempt people are not being discriminating against I actually see this is a positive because the abuse but exempt people get even with Langyard is shocking. So maybe those that won't wear a mask will now wear one so people who are genuinely exempt can just get on with their lives the best they can.

But just questioning people IS discrimination. That's not an opinion, that is the law.

Morrisons are going to regret this when the cases start to go before the courts."

They have not said they are going to question anybody.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Just playing devil's advocate here, but is there any aspect of UK law that allows a retail premises to refuse entry to anybody they may feel is a danger to staff or customers? My sister tells me that there is in Japan, and this has been used a lot in similar circumstances to justify refusing entry to people without masks, whether disabled or not."

No because the government are the ones that have put the exemptions in place not the supermarkets or individuals.

We also have to remember that covid will not be around forever so we do not want to live in a society that rejects people from accessing services and goods because of a disability.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Just playing devil's advocate here, but is there any aspect of UK law that allows a retail premises to refuse entry to anybody they may feel is a danger to staff or customers? My sister tells me that there is in Japan, and this has been used a lot in similar circumstances to justify refusing entry to people without masks, whether disabled or not.

No because the government are the ones that have put the exemptions in place not the supermarkets or individuals.

We also have to remember that covid will not be around forever so we do not want to live in a society that rejects people from accessing services and goods because of a disability."

And that is very proper

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By *ent57Man  over a year ago

... where the streets have no name!

Of course, these supermarkets could be setting themselves up for a backlash - every anti-vax, covid-hoax claimer may wish to turn up determined to exercise their right to shop where they want.

As far as I am aware nobody has a 'right' to enter the property of another without permission - and if that permission is refused on reasonable grounds … then there isn't really any room for complaint.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Will they legally be able to ask people why they haven’t got a mask on ? Government advice is you should not and people are covered under DDA "

It's not against the law to ask. The government is asking people not to. A very big difference. People were asked to social distance by the government for most of the year but many have chose not too. The government couldn't for people because it wasn't law. It's not breaking the law to ask someone why they are not wearing a mask.

"The government says members of the public should not challenge people for not wearing a face covering, but people who work in premises where face coverings are required can. They should be “mindful and respectful” of those who are exempt.".... Gov web site.

The reference here seems to be referring to places where it is required. So where it is required you are allowed to. Some may interpret those who are allowed to must be working in those premise.

I personally don't think it's unreasonable to ask someone. If they take offense then I'd imagine they obviously have end up having a bigger issue. If they replied courteously then I'd say the reason would be accepted.

If I had a genuine reason why I didn't need it, I'd show respect towards others who legitimately may ask me, by having a lanyard and a copy of my exception cert with me. To do otherwise I'd say is being ignorant and shows disrespect towards them.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Will they legally be able to ask people why they haven’t got a mask on ? Government advice is you should not and people are covered under DDA

It's not against the law to ask. The government is asking people not to. A very big difference. People were asked to social distance by the government for most of the year but many have chose not too. The government couldn't for people because it wasn't law. It's not breaking the law to ask someone why they are not wearing a mask.

"The government says members of the public should not challenge people for not wearing a face covering, but people who work in premises where face coverings are required can. They should be “mindful and respectful” of those who are exempt.".... Gov web site.

The reference here seems to be referring to places where it is required. So where it is required you are allowed to. Some may interpret those who are allowed to must be working in those premise.

I personally don't think it's unreasonable to ask someone. If they take offense then I'd imagine they obviously have end up having a bigger issue. If they replied courteously then I'd say the reason would be accepted.

If I had a genuine reason why I didn't need it, I'd show respect towards others who legitimately may ask me, by having a lanyard and a copy of my exception cert with me. To do otherwise I'd say is being ignorant and shows disrespect towards them."

Except if you had read the government guidelines on this there are no exemption certificates.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Will they legally be able to ask people why they haven’t got a mask on ? Government advice is you should not and people are covered under DDA

It's not against the law to ask. The government is asking people not to. A very big difference. People were asked to social distance by the government for most of the year but many have chose not too. The government couldn't for people because it wasn't law. It's not breaking the law to ask someone why they are not wearing a mask.

"The government says members of the public should not challenge people for not wearing a face covering, but people who work in premises where face coverings are required can. They should be “mindful and respectful” of those who are exempt.".... Gov web site.

The reference here seems to be referring to places where it is required. So where it is required you are allowed to. Some may interpret those who are allowed to must be working in those premise.

I personally don't think it's unreasonable to ask someone. If they take offense then I'd imagine they obviously have end up having a bigger issue. If they replied courteously then I'd say the reason would be accepted.

If I had a genuine reason why I didn't need it, I'd show respect towards others who legitimately may ask me, by having a lanyard and a copy of my exception cert with me. To do otherwise I'd say is being ignorant and shows disrespect towards them.

Except if you had read the government guidelines on this there are no exemption certificates."

You can ask if somebody is exempt you absolutely cannot and should not ask why.

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman  over a year ago

On a mooch

I’m not surprised when you’ve got the vaccine minister saying today the supermarkets are not doing enough to enforce the basic rules on mask wearing.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

We need to keep safe

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"We need to keep safe "

We also need to live in a society that protects the most valuable and doesn't make them feel isolated or excluded from society.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Something people haven't considered is some shops and businesses may decide to keep the mask rule even after it is law or what if it what if it is always law.

Are we truly saying that we want to exclude people that cannot wear a mask from society and expect them to hide themselves away for the rest of their lives.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Will they legally be able to ask people why they haven’t got a mask on ? Government advice is you should not and people are covered under DDA

It's not against the law to ask. The government is asking people not to. A very big difference. People were asked to social distance by the government for most of the year but many have chose not too. The government couldn't for people because it wasn't law. It's not breaking the law to ask someone why they are not wearing a mask.

"The government says members of the public should not challenge people for not wearing a face covering, but people who work in premises where face coverings are required can. They should be “mindful and respectful” of those who are exempt.".... Gov web site.

The reference here seems to be referring to places where it is required. So where it is required you are allowed to. Some may interpret those who are allowed to must be working in those premise.

I personally don't think it's unreasonable to ask someone. If they take offense then I'd imagine they obviously have end up having a bigger issue. If they replied courteously then I'd say the reason would be accepted.

If I had a genuine reason why I didn't need it, I'd show respect towards others who legitimately may ask me, by having a lanyard and a copy of my exception cert with me. To do otherwise I'd say is being ignorant and shows disrespect towards them.

Except if you had read the government guidelines on this there are no exemption certificates.

You can ask if somebody is exempt you absolutely cannot and should not ask why."

But you can ask for proof.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple  over a year ago

North West


"Just playing devil's advocate here, but is there any aspect of UK law that allows a retail premises to refuse entry to anybody they may feel is a danger to staff or customers? My sister tells me that there is in Japan, and this has been used a lot in similar circumstances to justify refusing entry to people without masks, whether disabled or not."

Not that I'm aware of, although staff can report an employer they feel isn't following health and safety law to the Health and Safety Executive. Disability is a protected characteristic under the Equalities Act 2010 and you cannot discriminate based on it (other than in a tiny number of fairly specific examples).

Despite having equalities legislation, people with disabilities are still discriminated against widely in the UK. Public attitudes to disability are often poor and disabled people, on average, fare less well than their able bodied counterparts on almost every metric.

Anyone who thinks there's true equality and tolerance in the UK has not had to navigate society with a disability.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Will they legally be able to ask people why they haven’t got a mask on ? Government advice is you should not and people are covered under DDA

It's not against the law to ask. The government is asking people not to. A very big difference. People were asked to social distance by the government for most of the year but many have chose not too. The government couldn't for people because it wasn't law. It's not breaking the law to ask someone why they are not wearing a mask.

"The government says members of the public should not challenge people for not wearing a face covering, but people who work in premises where face coverings are required can. They should be “mindful and respectful” of those who are exempt.".... Gov web site.

The reference here seems to be referring to places where it is required. So where it is required you are allowed to. Some may interpret those who are allowed to must be working in those premise.

I personally don't think it's unreasonable to ask someone. If they take offense then I'd imagine they obviously have end up having a bigger issue. If they replied courteously then I'd say the reason would be accepted.

If I had a genuine reason why I didn't need it, I'd show respect towards others who legitimately may ask me, by having a lanyard and a copy of my exception cert with me. To do otherwise I'd say is being ignorant and shows disrespect towards them.

Except if you had read the government guidelines on this there are no exemption certificates.

You can ask if somebody is exempt you absolutely cannot and should not ask why.

But you can ask for proof."

Again read the government guidelines it is very clear that people should not ask their doctors for proof.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

There are places where they can ask you to remove your mask, such as a bank and if you don't comply they can then ask you to leave.

So it works both ways.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Will they legally be able to ask people why they haven’t got a mask on ? Government advice is you should not and people are covered under DDA

It's not against the law to ask. The government is asking people not to. A very big difference. People were asked to social distance by the government for most of the year but many have chose not too. The government couldn't for people because it wasn't law. It's not breaking the law to ask someone why they are not wearing a mask.

"The government says members of the public should not challenge people for not wearing a face covering, but people who work in premises where face coverings are required can. They should be “mindful and respectful” of those who are exempt.".... Gov web site.

The reference here seems to be referring to places where it is required. So where it is required you are allowed to. Some may interpret those who are allowed to must be working in those premise.

I personally don't think it's unreasonable to ask someone. If they take offense then I'd imagine they obviously have end up having a bigger issue. If they replied courteously then I'd say the reason would be accepted.

If I had a genuine reason why I didn't need it, I'd show respect towards others who legitimately may ask me, by having a lanyard and a copy of my exception cert with me. To do otherwise I'd say is being ignorant and shows disrespect towards them.

Except if you had read the government guidelines on this there are no exemption certificates.

You can ask if somebody is exempt you absolutely cannot and should not ask why.

But you can ask for proof.

Again read the government guidelines it is very clear that people should not ask their doctors for proof."

Should not and against the law are two different things which is what is being contested here.

There's also a big difference between criminal law and civil law.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Will they legally be able to ask people why they haven’t got a mask on ? Government advice is you should not and people are covered under DDA

It's not against the law to ask. The government is asking people not to. A very big difference. People were asked to social distance by the government for most of the year but many have chose not too. The government couldn't for people because it wasn't law. It's not breaking the law to ask someone why they are not wearing a mask.

"The government says members of the public should not challenge people for not wearing a face covering, but people who work in premises where face coverings are required can. They should be “mindful and respectful” of those who are exempt.".... Gov web site.

The reference here seems to be referring to places where it is required. So where it is required you are allowed to. Some may interpret those who are allowed to must be working in those premise.

I personally don't think it's unreasonable to ask someone. If they take offense then I'd imagine they obviously have end up having a bigger issue. If they replied courteously then I'd say the reason would be accepted.

If I had a genuine reason why I didn't need it, I'd show respect towards others who legitimately may ask me, by having a lanyard and a copy of my exception cert with me. To do otherwise I'd say is being ignorant and shows disrespect towards them.

Except if you had read the government guidelines on this there are no exemption certificates.

You can ask if somebody is exempt you absolutely cannot and should not ask why.

But you can ask for proof.

Again read the government guidelines it is very clear that people should not ask their doctors for proof.

Should not and against the law are two different things which is what is being contested here.

There's also a big difference between criminal law and civil law."

There is an exemption in law and that is that anybody who cannot physically put on, wear or remove a face covering or where putting on, wearing or removing a face covering courses severe distress.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple  over a year ago

North West


"Will they legally be able to ask people why they haven’t got a mask on ? Government advice is you should not and people are covered under DDA

It's not against the law to ask. The government is asking people not to. A very big difference. People were asked to social distance by the government for most of the year but many have chose not too. The government couldn't for people because it wasn't law. It's not breaking the law to ask someone why they are not wearing a mask.

"The government says members of the public should not challenge people for not wearing a face covering, but people who work in premises where face coverings are required can. They should be “mindful and respectful” of those who are exempt.".... Gov web site.

The reference here seems to be referring to places where it is required. So where it is required you are allowed to. Some may interpret those who are allowed to must be working in those premise.

I personally don't think it's unreasonable to ask someone. If they take offense then I'd imagine they obviously have end up having a bigger issue. If they replied courteously then I'd say the reason would be accepted.

If I had a genuine reason why I didn't need it, I'd show respect towards others who legitimately may ask me, by having a lanyard and a copy of my exception cert with me. To do otherwise I'd say is being ignorant and shows disrespect towards them.

Except if you had read the government guidelines on this there are no exemption certificates.

You can ask if somebody is exempt you absolutely cannot and should not ask why.

But you can ask for proof.

Again read the government guidelines it is very clear that people should not ask their doctors for proof.

Should not and against the law are two different things which is what is being contested here.

There's also a big difference between criminal law and civil law."

Magic, The Equalities Act is statute law. An Act of Parliament. You cannot discriminate or deny services on the basis of disability (or any other protected characteristic).

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

References in the social media posts to a criminal offence are a misinterpretation of subsection 3 of section 112 of the Equality Act. That subsection says it is a criminal offence to “knowingly or recklessly” make a “false or misleading statement” about there being no breaches of the Equality Act in particular circumstances. This is largely to prevent employers and service providers from avoiding liability for the discriminatory acts of their employees.

In England, people are exempt from wearing face coverings if:

They are a child under the age of 11 (this age limit is different across the UK)

They cannot put on, wear or remove a face covering because of a physical or mental illness or impairment, or disability

Wearing a face covering would cause them severe distress

They are speaking to or providing assistance to someone who relies on lip reading, clear sound or facial expressions to communicate

It is needed to avoid harm or injury, or the risk of harm or injury, including if wearing a face covering would negatively impact their ability to exercise or take part in strenuous activity

They are a police officer or another emergency worker, given that this may interfere with their ability to serve the public.

What often is ignored by those arguing one way or the other is the issue of intent as if it doesn't matter.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Will they legally be able to ask people why they haven’t got a mask on ? Government advice is you should not and people are covered under DDA

It's not against the law to ask. The government is asking people not to. A very big difference. People were asked to social distance by the government for most of the year but many have chose not too. The government couldn't for people because it wasn't law. It's not breaking the law to ask someone why they are not wearing a mask.

"The government says members of the public should not challenge people for not wearing a face covering, but people who work in premises where face coverings are required can. They should be “mindful and respectful” of those who are exempt.".... Gov web site.

The reference here seems to be referring to places where it is required. So where it is required you are allowed to. Some may interpret those who are allowed to must be working in those premise.

I personally don't think it's unreasonable to ask someone. If they take offense then I'd imagine they obviously have end up having a bigger issue. If they replied courteously then I'd say the reason would be accepted.

If I had a genuine reason why I didn't need it, I'd show respect towards others who legitimately may ask me, by having a lanyard and a copy of my exception cert with me. To do otherwise I'd say is being ignorant and shows disrespect towards them.

Except if you had read the government guidelines on this there are no exemption certificates.

You can ask if somebody is exempt you absolutely cannot and should not ask why.

But you can ask for proof.

Again read the government guidelines it is very clear that people should not ask their doctors for proof.

Should not and against the law are two different things which is what is being contested here.

There's also a big difference between criminal law and civil law.

Magic, The Equalities Act is statute law. An Act of Parliament. You cannot discriminate or deny services on the basis of disability (or any other protected characteristic)."

I'm quoting from ..Fullfact..../equality-act-face-mask-discrimination/ written by a baraster. Not my interpretation of the law.

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By *rHotNottsMan  over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

Why is everyone so obsessed about masks when the science clearly shows 1-2m distance is what works and there’s no evidence at all for silly bits of material on your mouth

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Why is everyone so obsessed about masks when the science clearly shows 1-2m distance is what works and there’s no evidence at all for silly bits of material on your mouth "

Exactly and actually you will find more often the not people that are genuinely exempt will make sure they keep their social distance. Some people the wear masks seem to think it makes them invincible.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Why is everyone so obsessed about masks when the science clearly shows 1-2m distance is what works and there’s no evidence at all for silly bits of material on your mouth "

Show me the evidence that says that ?

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By *inky_couple2020Couple  over a year ago

North West

No one has referenced any bizarre ramblings off social media on this thread, to my knowledge. The simple fact remains that having a disability (that in itself has a very specific definition in the Act) is a protected characteristic and no organisation is allowed to discriminate against those characteristics, save for a very small number of reasons. Most of the exemptions under the Act are things like being allowed to specify a particular gender to be employed as a personal carer, for example, whereas normally, you cannot advertise for a job to only one gender or another.

Businesses cannot refuse to provide a service to disabled people that they would otherwise provide to non disabled people. The mask wearing is an example of indirect discrimination, if by stopping those who genuinely cannot wear one from accessing services, you therefore stop disabled people accessing that service. That's exactly why there is an exemption clause built into the Coronavirus Act.

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By *moothman2000Man  over a year ago

Leicestershire

A business can bar entry to their premises for any, or no, reason.

Businesses will have already looked into the potential legal implications of doing this and I suspect security staff will be told not to get into a discussion as to why they are refusing entry.

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By *rHotNottsMan  over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham


"Why is everyone so obsessed about masks when the science clearly shows 1-2m distance is what works and there’s no evidence at all for silly bits of material on your mouth

Show me the evidence that says that ?"

Where do you normally find your scientific evidence ?

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By *inky_couple2020Couple  over a year ago

North West


"Will they legally be able to ask people why they haven’t got a mask on ? Government advice is you should not and people are covered under DDA

It's not against the law to ask. The government is asking people not to. A very big difference. People were asked to social distance by the government for most of the year but many have chose not too. The government couldn't for people because it wasn't law. It's not breaking the law to ask someone why they are not wearing a mask.

"The government says members of the public should not challenge people for not wearing a face covering, but people who work in premises where face coverings are required can. They should be “mindful and respectful” of those who are exempt.".... Gov web site.

The reference here seems to be referring to places where it is required. So where it is required you are allowed to. Some may interpret those who are allowed to must be working in those premise.

I personally don't think it's unreasonable to ask someone. If they take offense then I'd imagine they obviously have end up having a bigger issue. If they replied courteously then I'd say the reason would be accepted.

If I had a genuine reason why I didn't need it, I'd show respect towards others who legitimately may ask me, by having a lanyard and a copy of my exception cert with me. To do otherwise I'd say is being ignorant and shows disrespect towards them.

Except if you had read the government guidelines on this there are no exemption certificates.

You can ask if somebody is exempt you absolutely cannot and should not ask why.

But you can ask for proof.

Again read the government guidelines it is very clear that people should not ask their doctors for proof.

Should not and against the law are two different things which is what is being contested here.

There's also a big difference between criminal law and civil law.

Magic, The Equalities Act is statute law. An Act of Parliament. You cannot discriminate or deny services on the basis of disability (or any other protected characteristic).

I'm quoting from ..Fullfact..../equality-act-face-mask-discrimination/ written by a baraster. Not my interpretation of the law."

You're specifically referring to the section 112 nonsense that non exempt people seem to claim is evidence their human rights are being infringed. None of us on here has referenced that because yes, that specific aspect is twaddle. It's used by mask deniers to try and show that no-one can be "forced" to wear one etc.

I've explained elsewhere how the Equalities Act comes into play here. In my personal case, the point is moot. Yes, I'm disabled, but I can and do wear a mask and don't consider myself exempt.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"A business can bar entry to their premises for any, or no, reason.

Businesses will have already looked into the potential legal implications of doing this and I suspect security staff will be told not to get into a discussion as to why they are refusing entry."

Security staff will be told not to refuse entry to anybody who has an exemption Actually none you cannot refuse entry just for any reason for example based on sex, Sexual Orientation, Faith or lack of,or ethnic origen

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By *inky_couple2020Couple  over a year ago

North West


"A business can bar entry to their premises for any, or no, reason.

Businesses will have already looked into the potential legal implications of doing this and I suspect security staff will be told not to get into a discussion as to why they are refusing entry."

They cannot make rules which discriminate under the Equalities Act (nothing to do with section 112). That's why golf clubs can no longer bar women and why cake makers and B&B owners cannot refuse to serve homosexual people. Ditto, organisations cannot simply decide to stop providing their service to disabled people where they do provide it to non disabled people.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"A business can bar entry to their premises for any, or no, reason.

Businesses will have already looked into the potential legal implications of doing this and I suspect security staff will be told not to get into a discussion as to why they are refusing entry.

Security staff will be told not to refuse entry to anybody who has an exemption Actually none you cannot refuse entry just for any reason for example based on sex, Sexual Orientation, Faith or lack of,or ethnic origen"

Morrisons and sainsbury's have made it very clear that anybody with an exemption is very welcom in their stores

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Why is everyone so obsessed about masks when the science clearly shows 1-2m distance is what works and there’s no evidence at all for silly bits of material on your mouth

Show me the evidence that says that ?

Where do you normally find your scientific evidence ? "

You said, "there’s no evidence at all for silly bits of material on your mouth", so I'm asking for your evidence to demonstrate this. Is that not hard to follow?

I'd be interested in hearing what any medical staff would have to say on this issue.

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By *moothman2000Man  over a year ago

Leicestershire


"A business can bar entry to their premises for any, or no, reason.

Businesses will have already looked into the potential legal implications of doing this and I suspect security staff will be told not to get into a discussion as to why they are refusing entry.

Security staff will be told not to refuse entry to anybody who has an exemption Actually none you cannot refuse entry just for any reason for example based on sex, Sexual Orientation, Faith or lack of,or ethnic origen"

I probably should have made that a bit clearer.

By 'any reason' I didn't mean contrary to protected characteristics.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"A business can bar entry to their premises for any, or no, reason.

Businesses will have already looked into the potential legal implications of doing this and I suspect security staff will be told not to get into a discussion as to why they are refusing entry.

Security staff will be told not to refuse entry to anybody who has an exemption Actually none you cannot refuse entry just for any reason for example based on sex, Sexual Orientation, Faith or lack of,or ethnic origen

I probably should have made that a bit clearer.

By 'any reason' I didn't mean contrary to protected characteristics.

"

Including disability.

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By *estivalMan  over a year ago

borehamwood

easy to social distance in our local morrisons no one ever shops there and apart from the staff on the tills they dont seem to have any staff on the shop floor ever. plus half the shelfs are empty all the time was like this way before covid came along

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

most good security can tell the difference between a genuine need in someone and someone being a twat. if only they allowed themselves to operate like a venue needed a ticket for entry than security could do their job effectively... supermarkets have been too terrified of loosing money/face to maintain counted queues or be vigerous in denial of entry... can't wait to get back on a door we can actually make secure

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"

Morrisons will bar customers who refuse to wear face coverings from its shops amid rising coronavirus infections.

From Monday, shoppers who refuse to wear face masks offered by staff will not be allowed inside, unless they are medically exempt.

Sainsbury's also said it would challenge those not wearing a mask or who were shopping in groups.

The announcements come amid concerns that social distancing measures are not being adhered to in supermarkets.

Looks like we are moving closer towards many other countries for example Italy.

The principal message now been pushed is you must wear a mask to protect other people. Regardless of the reasons if you don't now wear a mask now given the fact that in some places 1 in 20 people have covid then you are putting other peoples lives at risk.

It's also quite suprising just how many countries where mask exemptions simply don't exist. Many people from those countries just don't get why anybody would ever refuse to wear a mask given the fact that it could stop you effectively causing someone's death. They view it in those simple black and white terms. More and more this view is taking hold in the UK.

Is fair to ask (given the UK situation currently) that if you can't wear a mask then you can't go into public places where you can potentially infect others and god forbid cause someone's death?

Should the government organise a support shopper network to get the maskless off the streets to reduce the spread but at the same time ensure that there basic needs are meet?

Here are some links (please don't ban me mods if you don't like the source can you just remove the links)

https://www.mirror.co.uk/money/morrisons-bans-shoppers-without-face-23299304

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55618408

(*note the above aren't necessarily my opinions but are what a lot of my colleagues at work are starting to express and its clearly been driven by some politicians and main stream media)

KJ"

About fucking time.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"most good security can tell the difference between a genuine need in someone and someone being a twat. if only they allowed themselves to operate like a venue needed a ticket for entry than security could do their job effectively... supermarkets have been too terrified of loosing money/face to maintain counted queues or be vigerous in denial of entry... can't wait to get back on a door we can actually make secure

d "

Not always the case I personally know someone who was refused entry to pub because the door staff didn't know the difference between someone with a disability and d*unk person.

Thankfully I was already inside and got a manager who used commen sense and allowed entry to the completely embarrassed but sober person.

The doorman did later apologise and he did say that it wasn't something he had ever considered and personally brought us a drink.

He said he would ask if there was a disability awareness course he could attend so at least something good came out of it.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I understand that Gvt advice is that only the Police can enforce the rules. That does not preclude anyone with an interest in their own safety asking a polite question. That is NOT discrimination.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple  over a year ago

North West


"most good security can tell the difference between a genuine need in someone and someone being a twat. if only they allowed themselves to operate like a venue needed a ticket for entry than security could do their job effectively... supermarkets have been too terrified of loosing money/face to maintain counted queues or be vigerous in denial of entry... can't wait to get back on a door we can actually make secure

d

Not always the case I personally know someone who was refused entry to pub because the door staff didn't know the difference between someone with a disability and d*unk person.

Thankfully I was already inside and got a manager who used commen sense and allowed entry to the completely embarrassed but sober person.

The doorman did later apologise and he did say that it wasn't something he had ever considered and personally brought us a drink.

He said he would ask if there was a disability awareness course he could attend so at least something good came out of it. "

Yes, my Dad was accused of being d*unk when in fact he had a brain tumour which affected his balance. I spent a number of years as a medium aged child trying to prop him up from falling or helping him up. Even after the surgery to remove, his balance was awful because he no longer had an inner ear. It's hard when you're 11 trying to explain that your dad isn't d*unk, he's just got a wonky head

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By *r TriomanMan  over a year ago

Chippenham Malmesbury area

I know someone who works in Morrison's, they told me that there are managers that don't wear masks in the shop area, I've also seen it for myself.

Good to hear that they are doing this but for those with a genuine reason for not wearing one, it'll be hard for them to prove why they are exempt. Now all they have to do is stop people (adults) shopping in pairs or more - why does it take 3 people to buy the weekly shop? All they do is block thw aisles and put themselves and others at risk.

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By *evaquitCouple  over a year ago

Catthorpe

Waiting for the introduction of facemasks everytime you leave home, would be welcomed here.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I understand that Gvt advice is that only the Police can enforce the rules. That does not preclude anyone with an interest in their own safety asking a polite question. That is NOT discrimination. "

It depends what you consider to be a polite question if it is would you like to wear a mask as I have a spare one and the answer is im exempt and it is left there then that is fine if you ask someone why they are not wearing a mask or what condition they have that is not polite.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Agreed. After all, people who park in a blue badge space must display a badge, but have no need to explain why they need it to anyone.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Agreed. After all, people who park in a blue badge space must display a badge, but have no need to explain why they need it to anyone. "

Very good point.

I wish everybody would see it like this.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple  over a year ago

North West


"Agreed. After all, people who park in a blue badge space must display a badge, but have no need to explain why they need it to anyone. "

But having a Blue Badge doesn't stop the wankers who see me seated in my (adapted) car and who verily sprint up to me, accusing me of all sorts. "Too young" is usually in there somewhere. I very much enjoy hopping on my crutches to the boot to get out my wheelchair and then to the back passenger seat to retrieve my child. I very much enjoy the red faces and hurried offers of help (politely declined).

Yes, I have a Blue Badge and I'm a afraid to use it

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By *inky_couple2020Couple  over a year ago

North West


"Agreed. After all, people who park in a blue badge space must display a badge, but have no need to explain why they need it to anyone.

But having a Blue Badge doesn't stop the wankers who see me seated in my (adapted) car and who verily sprint up to me, accusing me of all sorts. "Too young" is usually in there somewhere. I very much enjoy hopping on my crutches to the boot to get out my wheelchair and then to the back passenger seat to retrieve my child. I very much enjoy the red faces and hurried offers of help (politely declined).

Yes, I have a Blue Badge and I'm a afraid to use it "

*NOT afraid. FFS

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Agreed. After all, people who park in a blue badge space must display a badge, but have no need to explain why they need it to anyone.

But having a Blue Badge doesn't stop the wankers who see me seated in my (adapted) car and who verily sprint up to me, accusing me of all sorts. "Too young" is usually in there somewhere. I very much enjoy hopping on my crutches to the boot to get out my wheelchair and then to the back passenger seat to retrieve my child. I very much enjoy the red faces and hurried offers of help (politely declined).

Yes, I have a Blue Badge and I'm a afraid to use it

*NOT afraid. FFS "

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"most good security can tell the difference between a genuine need in someone and someone being a twat. if only they allowed themselves to operate like a venue needed a ticket for entry than security could do their job effectively... supermarkets have been too terrified of loosing money/face to maintain counted queues or be vigerous in denial of entry... can't wait to get back on a door we can actually make secure

d

Not always the case I personally know someone who was refused entry to pub because the door staff didn't know the difference between someone with a disability and d*unk person.

Thankfully I was already inside and got a manager who used commen sense and allowed entry to the completely embarrassed but sober person.

The doorman did later apologise and he did say that it wasn't something he had ever considered and personally brought us a drink.

He said he would ask if there was a disability awareness course he could attend so at least something good came out of it. "

no not always the case but you learn with experience and if other customers are being upset my unsocial behavior something has to be done. Its usual pretty simple to work out those who have issues to those who are obnoxious cretins wanting to push and cause anxiety to others

d

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By *ockosaurusMan  over a year ago

Warwick

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By *ockosaurusMan  over a year ago

Warwick


"Will they legally be able to ask people why they haven’t got a mask on ? Government advice is you should not and people are covered under DDA

You've just answered your own question. So a pointless statement by supermarkets

Pretty much. Headline grabbing puts them in the spotlight good for business ?

All most of these “rules” or “requests” (brand them as you will) are is pointless and nobody has a clue what to do anymore! I read earlier Sainsbury’s want to encourage people to shop alone, so a couple can live together and exercise outdoors together but they can’t shop together?

Utterly pointless and ridiculous and until someone comes along and can actually give us a set of guidelines that make sense nobody will follow any of it and continue to go about as they have done previously "

That actually makes sense though.

It's not about you catching it, it's about you spreading it.

If you are carrying it, your partner probably does too, so if you are both in the shop you are twice as likely to spread the virus.

Two people also take up more room than one, which makes distancing more difficult for others.

If you live together, do you really need to do shopping together too? Can't you go half an hour without seeing your partner?

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By *iss LovelyWoman  over a year ago

Here and There

I think masks should be mandatory in all public places. And if you can’t wear one, then you can’t go. I know it sounds radical, but these are desperate times. Everyone has to do their bit. I’m stuck at home alone all week, I go out once a week to the shop, then I’m home again and I see no one I know. It’s breaking me completely, but that’s me doing my bit. The folk that can’t wear masks near to stay home, that’s them doing their bit. It’s not fair to be a risk to others just because wearing a mask is hard for you.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple  over a year ago

North West

Anyone wondering why disabled people are pissed off with the world should go and read the thread where people seem to think it's acceptable to use language like retard, spastic, invalid etc to describe disabled people.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I think masks should be mandatory in all public places. And if you can’t wear one, then you can’t go. I know it sounds radical, but these are desperate times. Everyone has to do their bit. I’m stuck at home alone all week, I go out once a week to the shop, then I’m home again and I see no one I know. It’s breaking me completely, but that’s me doing my bit. The folk that can’t wear masks near to stay home, that’s them doing their bit. It’s not fair to be a risk to others just because wearing a mask is hard for you. "

Thankfully government and health authorities disagree with you.

Unless you have a condition that makes it impossible for you to wear a mask you really don't get to decide whether it's just hard or not.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Will they legally be able to ask people why they haven’t got a mask on ? Government advice is you should not and people are covered under DDA

You've just answered your own question. So a pointless statement by supermarkets

Pretty much. Headline grabbing puts them in the spotlight good for business ?

All most of these “rules” or “requests” (brand them as you will) are is pointless and nobody has a clue what to do anymore! I read earlier Sainsbury’s want to encourage people to shop alone, so a couple can live together and exercise outdoors together but they can’t shop together?

Utterly pointless and ridiculous and until someone comes along and can actually give us a set of guidelines that make sense nobody will follow any of it and continue to go about as they have done previously "

the logic behind this has nothing to do with the couples living arrangement , its so there are less people in the shop to allow for better distancing

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Anyone wondering why disabled people are pissed off with the world should go and read the thread where people seem to think it's acceptable to use language like retard, spastic, invalid etc to describe disabled people. "

That thread and some of the attitudes on it are disgusting.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"As long as exempt people are not being discriminating against I actually see this is a positive because the abuse but exempt people get even with Langyard is shocking. So maybe those that won't wear a mask will now wear one so people who are genuinely exempt can just get on with their lives the best they can.

But just questioning people IS discrimination. That's not an opinion, that is the law.

Morrisons are going to regret this when the cases start to go before the courts."

my understanding is they will have someone at the door offering people 2 options, wear a mask or wear a lanyard... thats not asking for any proof and since every customer will be given the same options i guess also not discrimination

its probably very similar to every shop that had someone reminding you about sanitising your hands and baskets and controlling the one in one out last year, but there hasn’t been anyone in the door for that function in ages and now its picked up as a headline to stir people up

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By *iss LovelyWoman  over a year ago

Here and There


"I think masks should be mandatory in all public places. And if you can’t wear one, then you can’t go. I know it sounds radical, but these are desperate times. Everyone has to do their bit. I’m stuck at home alone all week, I go out once a week to the shop, then I’m home again and I see no one I know. It’s breaking me completely, but that’s me doing my bit. The folk that can’t wear masks near to stay home, that’s them doing their bit. It’s not fair to be a risk to others just because wearing a mask is hard for you.

Thankfully government and health authorities disagree with you.

Unless you have a condition that makes it impossible for you to wear a mask you really don't get to decide whether it's just hard or not."

Whether it’s hard or impossible I don’t think that anyone gets to walk round at the minute being an extra risk to others. Disability discrimination is, of course, hugely important. But there are other ways to get your shopping that would stop others being put at risk, and I think that’s more important at the moment. Everyone is being impacted in different ways, everyone is taking a hit.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I think masks should be mandatory in all public places. And if you can’t wear one, then you can’t go. I know it sounds radical, but these are desperate times. Everyone has to do their bit. I’m stuck at home alone all week, I go out once a week to the shop, then I’m home again and I see no one I know. It’s breaking me completely, but that’s me doing my bit. The folk that can’t wear masks near to stay home, that’s them doing their bit. It’s not fair to be a risk to others just because wearing a mask is hard for you.

Thankfully government and health authorities disagree with you.

Unless you have a condition that makes it impossible for you to wear a mask you really don't get to decide whether it's just hard or not.

Whether it’s hard or impossible I don’t think that anyone gets to walk round at the minute being an extra risk to others. Disability discrimination is, of course, hugely important. But there are other ways to get your shopping that would stop others being put at risk, and I think that’s more important at the moment. Everyone is being impacted in different ways, everyone is taking a hit. "

And what exactly do you expect people to do, You want people to shut themselves away so that you can pretend they don't exist. What happens if certain businesses or the government decide that wearing face masks in public places is going to be permanent than what you expect people to do.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I think masks should be mandatory in all public places. And if you can’t wear one, then you can’t go. I know it sounds radical, but these are desperate times. Everyone has to do their bit. I’m stuck at home alone all week, I go out once a week to the shop, then I’m home again and I see no one I know. It’s breaking me completely, but that’s me doing my bit. The folk that can’t wear masks near to stay home, that’s them doing their bit. It’s not fair to be a risk to others just because wearing a mask is hard for you.

Thankfully government and health authorities disagree with you.

Unless you have a condition that makes it impossible for you to wear a mask you really don't get to decide whether it's just hard or not.

Whether it’s hard or impossible I don’t think that anyone gets to walk round at the minute being an extra risk to others. Disability discrimination is, of course, hugely important. But there are other ways to get your shopping that would stop others being put at risk, and I think that’s more important at the moment. Everyone is being impacted in different ways, everyone is taking a hit. "

And as always the vulnerable and disabled at taking the biggest hit and is unacceptable and needs to stop.

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By *iss LovelyWoman  over a year ago

Here and There


"I think masks should be mandatory in all public places. And if you can’t wear one, then you can’t go. I know it sounds radical, but these are desperate times. Everyone has to do their bit. I’m stuck at home alone all week, I go out once a week to the shop, then I’m home again and I see no one I know. It’s breaking me completely, but that’s me doing my bit. The folk that can’t wear masks near to stay home, that’s them doing their bit. It’s not fair to be a risk to others just because wearing a mask is hard for you.

Thankfully government and health authorities disagree with you.

Unless you have a condition that makes it impossible for you to wear a mask you really don't get to decide whether it's just hard or not.

Whether it’s hard or impossible I don’t think that anyone gets to walk round at the minute being an extra risk to others. Disability discrimination is, of course, hugely important. But there are other ways to get your shopping that would stop others being put at risk, and I think that’s more important at the moment. Everyone is being impacted in different ways, everyone is taking a hit.

And what exactly do you expect people to do, You want people to shut themselves away so that you can pretend they don't exist. What happens if certain businesses or the government decide that wearing face masks in public places is going to be permanent than what you expect people to do."

I expect them to stay home. Like I’m doing aside from 1 trip to the shop every week or so. If I couldn’t wear a mask I’d shop online or I’d have someone else get my shopping when they get theirs. I wouldn’t expect others to take the extra risk of catching Covid from me. I’d understand that I’m far less able to keep my Covid to myself if I have it if I don’t wear a mask, so I’d stay home.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Will they legally be able to ask people why they haven’t got a mask on ? Government advice is you should not and people are covered under DDA

It's not against the law to ask. The government is asking people not to. A very big difference. People were asked to social distance by the government for most of the year but many have chose not too. The government couldn't for people because it wasn't law. It's not breaking the law to ask someone why they are not wearing a mask.

"The government says members of the public should not challenge people for not wearing a face covering, but people who work in premises where face coverings are required can. They should be “mindful and respectful” of those who are exempt.".... Gov web site.

The reference here seems to be referring to places where it is required. So where it is required you are allowed to. Some may interpret those who are allowed to must be working in those premise.

I personally don't think it's unreasonable to ask someone. If they take offense then I'd imagine they obviously have end up having a bigger issue. If they replied courteously then I'd say the reason would be accepted.

If I had a genuine reason why I didn't need it, I'd show respect towards others who legitimately may ask me, by having a lanyard and a copy of my exception cert with me. To do otherwise I'd say is being ignorant and shows disrespect towards them.

Except if you had read the government guidelines on this there are no exemption certificates.

You can ask if somebody is exempt you absolutely cannot and should not ask why.

But you can ask for proof.

Again read the government guidelines it is very clear that people should not ask their doctors for proof.

Should not and against the law are two different things which is what is being contested here.

There's also a big difference between criminal law and civil law.

Magic, The Equalities Act is statute law. An Act of Parliament. You cannot discriminate or deny services on the basis of disability (or any other protected characteristic)."

genuine query not a challenge ... are the exemptions related to mental health / anxiety/ asthma protected characteristics because i doubt the scope of the Equalities or disability discriminations acts are actually wide enough to cover most of the people who are currently being told they have an exemption

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By *ensualguy70TV/TS  over a year ago

paisley

i can see it now Morrisons have to close due to loss in profits

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"most good security can tell the difference between a genuine need in someone and someone being a twat. if only they allowed themselves to operate like a venue needed a ticket for entry than security could do their job effectively... supermarkets have been too terrified of loosing money/face to maintain counted queues or be vigerous in denial of entry... can't wait to get back on a door we can actually make secure

d "

the problem is people with genuine needs and twats are not always mutually exclusive and all its going to take is a situation where someone is both sees it as an opportunity for it to blow up... this will be why security have not been challenging people up til now ... the hassle they will get is not worth their wages and the bad publicity not worth it to the company

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By *iss LovelyWoman  over a year ago

Here and There


"I think masks should be mandatory in all public places. And if you can’t wear one, then you can’t go. I know it sounds radical, but these are desperate times. Everyone has to do their bit. I’m stuck at home alone all week, I go out once a week to the shop, then I’m home again and I see no one I know. It’s breaking me completely, but that’s me doing my bit. The folk that can’t wear masks near to stay home, that’s them doing their bit. It’s not fair to be a risk to others just because wearing a mask is hard for you.

Thankfully government and health authorities disagree with you.

Unless you have a condition that makes it impossible for you to wear a mask you really don't get to decide whether it's just hard or not.

Whether it’s hard or impossible I don’t think that anyone gets to walk round at the minute being an extra risk to others. Disability discrimination is, of course, hugely important. But there are other ways to get your shopping that would stop others being put at risk, and I think that’s more important at the moment. Everyone is being impacted in different ways, everyone is taking a hit.

And what exactly do you expect people to do, You want people to shut themselves away so that you can pretend they don't exist. What happens if certain businesses or the government decide that wearing face masks in public places is going to be permanent than what you expect people to do."

And it’s nothing to do with pretending disabled people don’t exist. I myself have a long standing health condition classed as a disability under the Equality act, my life is affected hugely. Staying in my house alone is having a massive negative impact on me. It’s making me unwell. But I’m not putting other people at risk to make myself feel better. We find ourselves in extraordinary times, we should all be doing all we can.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Will they legally be able to ask people why they haven’t got a mask on ? Government advice is you should not and people are covered under DDA

It's not against the law to ask. The government is asking people not to. A very big difference. People were asked to social distance by the government for most of the year but many have chose not too. The government couldn't for people because it wasn't law. It's not breaking the law to ask someone why they are not wearing a mask.

"The government says members of the public should not challenge people for not wearing a face covering, but people who work in premises where face coverings are required can. They should be “mindful and respectful” of those who are exempt.".... Gov web site.

The reference here seems to be referring to places where it is required. So where it is required you are allowed to. Some may interpret those who are allowed to must be working in those premise.

I personally don't think it's unreasonable to ask someone. If they take offense then I'd imagine they obviously have end up having a bigger issue. If they replied courteously then I'd say the reason would be accepted.

If I had a genuine reason why I didn't need it, I'd show respect towards others who legitimately may ask me, by having a lanyard and a copy of my exception cert with me. To do otherwise I'd say is being ignorant and shows disrespect towards them.

Except if you had read the government guidelines on this there are no exemption certificates.

You can ask if somebody is exempt you absolutely cannot and should not ask why.

But you can ask for proof.

Again read the government guidelines it is very clear that people should not ask their doctors for proof.

Should not and against the law are two different things which is what is being contested here.

There's also a big difference between criminal law and civil law.

Magic, The Equalities Act is statute law. An Act of Parliament. You cannot discriminate or deny services on the basis of disability (or any other protected characteristic).

genuine query not a challenge ... are the exemptions related to mental health / anxiety/ asthma protected characteristics because i doubt the scope of the Equalities or disability discriminations acts are actually wide enough to cover most of the people who are currently being told they have an exemption "

Lots mental health conditions are covered under the disability discrimination act.

It is also a common misconception that asthma is automatically an exemption because actually it isnt and the asthma UK website is quite clear about that.

The actual wording of the exemption is quite simple.

It is if you physically cannot put on take off or wear a face covering or if wearing, putting on or taking off a face covering causes Severe distress.

There is a lot of confusion about who is actually exempt but people that come on the those 2 examples would almost certainly be considered to have some form of disability either physical or neurological or mental health wise.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple  over a year ago

North West


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Magic, The Equalities Act is statute law. An Act of Parliament. You cannot discriminate or deny services on the basis of disability (or any other protected characteristic).

genuine query not a challenge ... are the exemptions related to mental health / anxiety/ asthma protected characteristics because i doubt the scope of the Equalities or disability discriminations acts are actually wide enough to cover most of the people who are currently being told they have an exemption "

So, this is the Government list of exemptions:

This includes (but is not limited to):

children under the age of 11 (Public Health England does not recommend face coverings for children under the age of 3 for health and safety reasons)

people who cannot put on, wear or remove a face covering because of a physical or mental illness or impairment, or disability

where putting on, wearing or removing a face covering will cause you severe distress

if you are speaking to or providing assistance to someone who relies on lip reading, clear sound or facial expressions to communicate

to avoid harm or injury, or the risk of harm or injury, to yourself or others ? including if it would negatively impact on your ability to exercise or participate in a strenuous activity

police officers and other emergency workers, given that this may interfere with their ability to serve the public

The definition of disability in the Equalities Act is "a permanent or long term condition that substantially affects a person's ability to live their life day to day". The definition of long term is "lasting one year or more". In addition, anyone diagnosed with cancer and certain other conditions are automatically considered disabled under the Act without the "long term" bit applying.

By law, you cannot discriminate on disability grounds. Whether all exemptions would class as disabilities under the EA is another question and that could only be answered on an individual basis. Take asthma as an example - some people are not disabled by it, as it does not substantially affect their day to day life, whereas another person might be disabled by having asthma.

So, every exempt person should be considered individually because their condition may well affect them differently than the next person with the same or similar condition.

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By *iss LovelyWoman  over a year ago

Here and There


"i can see it now Morrisons have to close due to loss in profits "

I think it will make zero difference to the amount of folk in there with no masks. Folk that don’t want to wear then will just get a lanyard.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

i know the wording is clear , but the meaning is open to interpretation particularly where they describe severe distress ... who defines what constitutes severe distress (i understand why they have had to leave it wide open much like all the covid legislation)

i think because that bit is open some people tend to just ignore it and say ... well i have anxiety (when my friends leave me out) so thats anxiety so im exempt , i have an inhaler for occasional tough days when my hayfever triggers my mild asthma, but thats a breathing difficulty so i am exempt

i know its probably a minority (even these forums show many people who technically fall in the categories wearing them) but i think its partly where the misunderstanding of the scope comes from , the result being its caused a load of hassle for the genuinely exempt and opened the door wide for the full on chancers

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By *inky_couple2020Couple  over a year ago

North West


"i know the wording is clear , but the meaning is open to interpretation particularly where they describe severe distress ... who defines what constitutes severe distress (i understand why they have had to leave it wide open much like all the covid legislation)

i think because that bit is open some people tend to just ignore it and say ... well i have anxiety (when my friends leave me out) so thats anxiety so im exempt , i have an inhaler for occasional tough days when my hayfever triggers my mild asthma, but thats a breathing difficulty so i am exempt

i know its probably a minority (even these forums show many people who technically fall in the categories wearing them) but i think its partly where the misunderstanding of the scope comes from , the result being its caused a load of hassle for the genuinely exempt and opened the door wide for the full on chancers "

I think I technically fall into the exempt category but I don't actually have any issues so I wear a mask.

With things like anxiety and mental health, to be exempt, the condition would need to fit into that "substantial long term/permanent impact" etc to qualify. Simply having mild asthma, hayfever or something else is not an automatic exemption and I think that's clear when people read the guidelines from medics, including places like Asthma UK.

I find it ironic that covering the mouth and nose with a light scarf has been a recommended solution to cold air triggering asthma and recommended by Asthma UK for many years. A light scarf is a face covering under the Govt rules and would be fine (although I'd argue not especially efficacious re: Covid).

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"i know the wording is clear , but the meaning is open to interpretation particularly where they describe severe distress ... who defines what constitutes severe distress (i understand why they have had to leave it wide open much like all the covid legislation)

i think because that bit is open some people tend to just ignore it and say ... well i have anxiety (when my friends leave me out) so thats anxiety so im exempt , i have an inhaler for occasional tough days when my hayfever triggers my mild asthma, but thats a breathing difficulty so i am exempt

i know its probably a minority (even these forums show many people who technically fall in the categories wearing them) but i think its partly where the misunderstanding of the scope comes from , the result being its caused a load of hassle for the genuinely exempt and opened the door wide for the full on chancers

I think I technically fall into the exempt category but I don't actually have any issues so I wear a mask.

With things like anxiety and mental health, to be exempt, the condition would need to fit into that "substantial long term/permanent impact" etc to qualify. Simply having mild asthma, hayfever or something else is not an automatic exemption and I think that's clear when people read the guidelines from medics, including places like Asthma UK.

I find it ironic that covering the mouth and nose with a light scarf has been a recommended solution to cold air triggering asthma and recommended by Asthma UK for many years. A light scarf is a face covering under the Govt rules and would be fine (although I'd argue not especially efficacious re: Covid)."

i totally agree, but people know they can’t be challenged, they know they don’t have to provide proof and so they have stretched the definitions to suit what i think for alot of them is actually just laziness/ convenience

a few people have said anyone can get a lanyard it will solve nothing ... actually i think if you cant be bothered to wear a face mask (and by that i mean the cant be arsed folk not the people with a real exemption) , chances of you being bothered to go online and get a lanyard and remember to take that out with you instead are probably pretty low ... i think the majority of lanyards are genuine

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By *iss LovelyWoman  over a year ago

Here and There


"i know the wording is clear , but the meaning is open to interpretation particularly where they describe severe distress ... who defines what constitutes severe distress (i understand why they have had to leave it wide open much like all the covid legislation)

i think because that bit is open some people tend to just ignore it and say ... well i have anxiety (when my friends leave me out) so thats anxiety so im exempt , i have an inhaler for occasional tough days when my hayfever triggers my mild asthma, but thats a breathing difficulty so i am exempt

i know its probably a minority (even these forums show many people who technically fall in the categories wearing them) but i think its partly where the misunderstanding of the scope comes from , the result being its caused a load of hassle for the genuinely exempt and opened the door wide for the full on chancers

I think I technically fall into the exempt category but I don't actually have any issues so I wear a mask.

With things like anxiety and mental health, to be exempt, the condition would need to fit into that "substantial long term/permanent impact" etc to qualify. Simply having mild asthma, hayfever or something else is not an automatic exemption and I think that's clear when people read the guidelines from medics, including places like Asthma UK.

I find it ironic that covering the mouth and nose with a light scarf has been a recommended solution to cold air triggering asthma and recommended by Asthma UK for many years. A light scarf is a face covering under the Govt rules and would be fine (although I'd argue not especially efficacious re: Covid)."

I think it all comes down to the line about significant distress. No one can measure that in another person, so all the other criteria are irrelevant. It all hinges on that one.

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By *iss LovelyWoman  over a year ago

Here and There


"i know the wording is clear , but the meaning is open to interpretation particularly where they describe severe distress ... who defines what constitutes severe distress (i understand why they have had to leave it wide open much like all the covid legislation)

i think because that bit is open some people tend to just ignore it and say ... well i have anxiety (when my friends leave me out) so thats anxiety so im exempt , i have an inhaler for occasional tough days when my hayfever triggers my mild asthma, but thats a breathing difficulty so i am exempt

i know its probably a minority (even these forums show many people who technically fall in the categories wearing them) but i think its partly where the misunderstanding of the scope comes from , the result being its caused a load of hassle for the genuinely exempt and opened the door wide for the full on chancers

I think I technically fall into the exempt category but I don't actually have any issues so I wear a mask.

With things like anxiety and mental health, to be exempt, the condition would need to fit into that "substantial long term/permanent impact" etc to qualify. Simply having mild asthma, hayfever or something else is not an automatic exemption and I think that's clear when people read the guidelines from medics, including places like Asthma UK.

I find it ironic that covering the mouth and nose with a light scarf has been a recommended solution to cold air triggering asthma and recommended by Asthma UK for many years. A light scarf is a face covering under the Govt rules and would be fine (although I'd argue not especially efficacious re: Covid).

i totally agree, but people know they can’t be challenged, they know they don’t have to provide proof and so they have stretched the definitions to suit what i think for alot of them is actually just laziness/ convenience

a few people have said anyone can get a lanyard it will solve nothing ... actually i think if you cant be bothered to wear a face mask (and by that i mean the cant be arsed folk not the people with a real exemption) , chances of you being bothered to go online and get a lanyard and remember to take that out with you instead are probably pretty low ... i think the majority of lanyards are genuine "

I think most of the lanyards are currently genuine, although plenty aren’t. But now you have to show one there will be a lot more. I don’t think it’s apathy that leads to be people not wearing a mask. I think it’s a conscious decision, whatever the reason behind it is.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"most good security can tell the difference between a genuine need in someone and someone being a twat. if only they allowed themselves to operate like a venue needed a ticket for entry than security could do their job effectively... supermarkets have been too terrified of loosing money/face to maintain counted queues or be vigerous in denial of entry... can't wait to get back on a door we can actually make secure

d

the problem is people with genuine needs and twats are not always mutually exclusive and all its going to take is a situation where someone is both sees it as an opportunity for it to blow up... this will be why security have not been challenging people up til now ... the hassle they will get is not worth their wages and the bad publicity not worth it to the company "

i know im one of them.. just enough stress if you don't from the anger of other customers.. ticket sales for lidl i say lol

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Will you all listen To yourselves.

Advocating wearing masks OUTDOORS? There is simply no medical justification for this knee jerk nonsense.

I understand indoors in supermarkets and fully comply.

But i will never wear one outdoors. Especially if exercising. Ever.

(For the record I don't expect such a ridiculous requirement will ever be suggested)"

If outside is way too crowded and it’s like a pack of sardines, wear the damn mask. Seems pretty straight forward yet I’ve seen streets rammed full of people close to each other even outside, and only a bunch of people wearing a mask... it only happens for droplets to vaporise quick when it’s hot outside so.

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By *ihimbiherCouple  over a year ago

lightwater


"People arent wearing masks... they arent washing their hands or keeping space anymore.

So this will be a good thing I think.

I went to Asda today and the lack of people without a Mask (also without lanyards either) was just ridiculous. I Had words with 2 maskless idiots that both tried to stand way to close to me in the checkout queue when I was in front of them. I personally will be going to Morrisons or Sainsburys from Monday to see if its safer with the new policy in effect.

KJ"

That’s Asda for you!

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By *andj17Woman  over a year ago

Glasgow


"Will they legally be able to ask people why they haven’t got a mask on ? Government advice is you should not and people are covered under DDA

You've just answered your own question. So a pointless statement by supermarkets

Pretty much. Headline grabbing puts them in the spotlight good for business ?

All most of these “rules” or “requests” (brand them as you will) are is pointless and nobody has a clue what to do anymore! I read earlier Sainsbury’s want to encourage people to shop alone, so a couple can live together and exercise outdoors together but they can’t shop together?

Utterly pointless and ridiculous and until someone comes along and can actually give us a set of guidelines that make sense nobody will follow any of it and continue to go about as they have done previously "

The reason for shop alone is to reduce footfall nothing to do with being with someone you live with.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman  over a year ago

ashford


"Will they legally be able to ask people why they haven’t got a mask on ? Government advice is you should not and people are covered under DDA

You've just answered your own question. So a pointless statement by supermarkets

Pretty much. Headline grabbing puts them in the spotlight good for business ?

All most of these “rules” or “requests” (brand them as you will) are is pointless and nobody has a clue what to do anymore! I read earlier Sainsbury’s want to encourage people to shop alone, so a couple can live together and exercise outdoors together but they can’t shop together?

Utterly pointless and ridiculous and until someone comes along and can actually give us a set of guidelines that make sense nobody will follow any of it and continue to go about as they have done previously "

To right they shd shop alone! It's because of working in supermarket and going nowhere else I'm laid in my bed in pain! amount of familys in there! And we have constant tanoys about shopping alone/safeguarding but if customers wont listen somethings gotta change! X

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"I think masks should be mandatory in all public places. And if you can’t wear one, then you can’t go. I know it sounds radical, but these are desperate times. Everyone has to do their bit. I’m stuck at home alone all week, I go out once a week to the shop, then I’m home again and I see no one I know. It’s breaking me completely, but that’s me doing my bit. The folk that can’t wear masks near to stay home, that’s them doing their bit. It’s not fair to be a risk to others just because wearing a mask is hard for you.

Thankfully government and health authorities disagree with you.

Unless you have a condition that makes it impossible for you to wear a mask you really don't get to decide whether it's just hard or not.

Whether it’s hard or impossible I don’t think that anyone gets to walk round at the minute being an extra risk to others. Disability discrimination is, of course, hugely important. But there are other ways to get your shopping that would stop others being put at risk, and I think that’s more important at the moment. Everyone is being impacted in different ways, everyone is taking a hit.

And what exactly do you expect people to do, You want people to shut themselves away so that you can pretend they don't exist. What happens if certain businesses or the government decide that wearing face masks in public places is going to be permanent than what you expect people to do.

I expect them to stay home. Like I’m doing aside from 1 trip to the shop every week or so. If I couldn’t wear a mask I’d shop online or I’d have someone else get my shopping when they get theirs. I wouldn’t expect others to take the extra risk of catching Covid from me. I’d understand that I’m far less able to keep my Covid to myself if I have it if I don’t wear a mask, so I’d stay home."

This was a fair response that never got responded to.

Is it to much to ask those who can't wear a mask to stay in for a month or 2 (at the very least) until this peak starts to drop off?

Our medical staff, care workers and frontline NHS are risking their lives everyday to protect the vunverable and save lives.

In that context is it that big a sacrifice to ask those who can't wear a mask which essentially makes them dangerous to other people to stay at home.

KJ

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I think masks should be mandatory in all public places. And if you can’t wear one, then you can’t go. I know it sounds radical, but these are desperate times. Everyone has to do their bit. I’m stuck at home alone all week, I go out once a week to the shop, then I’m home again and I see no one I know. It’s breaking me completely, but that’s me doing my bit. The folk that can’t wear masks near to stay home, that’s them doing their bit. It’s not fair to be a risk to others just because wearing a mask is hard for you.

Thankfully government and health authorities disagree with you.

Unless you have a condition that makes it impossible for you to wear a mask you really don't get to decide whether it's just hard or not.

Whether it’s hard or impossible I don’t think that anyone gets to walk round at the minute being an extra risk to others. Disability discrimination is, of course, hugely important. But there are other ways to get your shopping that would stop others being put at risk, and I think that’s more important at the moment. Everyone is being impacted in different ways, everyone is taking a hit.

And what exactly do you expect people to do, You want people to shut themselves away so that you can pretend they don't exist. What happens if certain businesses or the government decide that wearing face masks in public places is going to be permanent than what you expect people to do.

I expect them to stay home. Like I’m doing aside from 1 trip to the shop every week or so. If I couldn’t wear a mask I’d shop online or I’d have someone else get my shopping when they get theirs. I wouldn’t expect others to take the extra risk of catching Covid from me. I’d understand that I’m far less able to keep my Covid to myself if I have it if I don’t wear a mask, so I’d stay home.

This was a fair response that never got responded to.

Is it to much to ask those who can't wear a mask to stay in for a month or 2 (at the very least) until this peak starts to drop off?

Our medical staff, care workers and frontline NHS are risking their lives everyday to protect the vunverable and save lives.

In that context is it that big a sacrifice to ask those who can't wear a mask which essentially makes them dangerous to other people to stay at home.

KJ

"

Shopping deliveries aren't available in all locations. Some people don't have the internet or the ability to shop via telephone.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Will they legally be able to ask people why they haven’t got a mask on ? Government advice is you should not and people are covered under DDA "

If they implement it in law.... Yes they will be able to. The sooner the better, and personally thinking, bring in the same level of enforcement used in France... You're questioned regarding why you are where you are and asked for physical proof to verify, if you don't have it you get an on the spot fine.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"i know the wording is clear , but the meaning is open to interpretation particularly where they describe severe distress ... who defines what constitutes severe distress (i understand why they have had to leave it wide open much like all the covid legislation)

i think because that bit is open some people tend to just ignore it and say ... well i have anxiety (when my friends leave me out) so thats anxiety so im exempt , i have an inhaler for occasional tough days when my hayfever triggers my mild asthma, but thats a breathing difficulty so i am exempt

i know its probably a minority (even these forums show many people who technically fall in the categories wearing them) but i think its partly where the misunderstanding of the scope comes from , the result being its caused a load of hassle for the genuinely exempt and opened the door wide for the full on chancers

I think I technically fall into the exempt category but I don't actually have any issues so I wear a mask.

With things like anxiety and mental health, to be exempt, the condition would need to fit into that "substantial long term/permanent impact" etc to qualify. Simply having mild asthma, hayfever or something else is not an automatic exemption and I think that's clear when people read the guidelines from medics, including places like Asthma UK.

I find it ironic that covering the mouth and nose with a light scarf has been a recommended solution to cold air triggering asthma and recommended by Asthma UK for many years. A light scarf is a face covering under the Govt rules and would be fine (although I'd argue not especially efficacious re: Covid).

i totally agree, but people know they can’t be challenged, they know they don’t have to provide proof and so they have stretched the definitions to suit what i think for alot of them is actually just laziness/ convenience

a few people have said anyone can get a lanyard it will solve nothing ... actually i think if you cant be bothered to wear a face mask (and by that i mean the cant be arsed folk not the people with a real exemption) , chances of you being bothered to go online and get a lanyard and remember to take that out with you instead are probably pretty low ... i think the majority of lanyards are genuine "

Really good point.

Unless they start giving out lanyards at the door indiscriminately.

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By *amissCouple  over a year ago

chelmsford


"i know the wording is clear , but the meaning is open to interpretation particularly where they describe severe distress ... who defines what constitutes severe distress (i understand why they have had to leave it wide open much like all the covid legislation)

i think because that bit is open some people tend to just ignore it and say ... well i have anxiety (when my friends leave me out) so thats anxiety so im exempt , i have an inhaler for occasional tough days when my hayfever triggers my mild asthma, but thats a breathing difficulty so i am exempt

i know its probably a minority (even these forums show many people who technically fall in the categories wearing them) but i think its partly where the misunderstanding of the scope comes from , the result being its caused a load of hassle for the genuinely exempt and opened the door wide for the full on chancers

I think I technically fall into the exempt category but I don't actually have any issues so I wear a mask.

With things like anxiety and mental health, to be exempt, the condition would need to fit into that "substantial long term/permanent impact" etc to qualify. Simply having mild asthma, hayfever or something else is not an automatic exemption and I think that's clear when people read the guidelines from medics, including places like Asthma UK.

I find it ironic that covering the mouth and nose with a light scarf has been a recommended solution to cold air triggering asthma and recommended by Asthma UK for many years. A light scarf is a face covering under the Govt rules and would be fine (although I'd argue not especially efficacious re: Covid).

i totally agree, but people know they can’t be challenged, they know they don’t have to provide proof and so they have stretched the definitions to suit what i think for alot of them is actually just laziness/ convenience

a few people have said anyone can get a lanyard it will solve nothing ... actually i think if you cant be bothered to wear a face mask (and by that i mean the cant be arsed folk not the people with a real exemption) , chances of you being bothered to go online and get a lanyard and remember to take that out with you instead are probably pretty low ... i think the majority of lanyards are genuine "

You don't have to go online, the Tesco store I shop in, gives them out and the Lloyds bank I use, do too.

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By *reyyaMan  over a year ago

North Yorkshire


"

Morrisons will bar customers who refuse to wear face coverings from its shops amid rising coronavirus infections.

From Monday, shoppers who refuse to wear face masks offered by staff will not be allowed inside, unless they are medically exempt.

Sainsbury's also said it would challenge those not wearing a mask or who were shopping in groups.

The announcements come amid concerns that social distancing measures are not being adhered to in supermarkets.

Looks like we are moving closer towards many other countries for example Italy.

The principal message now been pushed is you must wear a mask to protect other people. Regardless of the reasons if you don't now wear a mask now given the fact that in some places 1 in 20 people have covid then you are putting other peoples lives at risk.

It's also quite suprising just how many countries where mask exemptions simply don't exist. Many people from those countries just don't get why anybody would ever refuse to wear a mask given the fact that it could stop you effectively causing someone's death. They view it in those simple black and white terms. More and more this view is taking hold in the UK.

Is fair to ask (given the UK situation currently) that if you can't wear a mask then you can't go into public places where you can potentially infect others and god forbid cause someone's death?

Should the government organise a support shopper network to get the maskless off the streets to reduce the spread but at the same time ensure that there basic needs are meet?

Here are some links (please don't ban me mods if you don't like the source can you just remove the links)

https://www.mirror.co.uk/money/morrisons-bans-shoppers-without-face-23299304

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55618408

(*note the above aren't necessarily my opinions but are what a lot of my colleagues at work are starting to express and its clearly been driven by some politicians and main stream media)

KJ"

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By *reyyaMan  over a year ago

North Yorkshire


"i know the wording is clear , but the meaning is open to interpretation particularly where they describe severe distress ... who defines what constitutes severe distress (i understand why they have had to leave it wide open much like all the covid legislation)

i think because that bit is open some people tend to just ignore it and say ... well i have anxiety (when my friends leave me out) so thats anxiety so im exempt , i have an inhaler for occasional tough days when my hayfever triggers my mild asthma, but thats a breathing difficulty so i am exempt

i know its probably a minority (even these forums show many people who technically fall in the categories wearing them) but i think its partly where the misunderstanding of the scope comes from , the result being its caused a load of hassle for the genuinely exempt and opened the door wide for the full on chancers

I think I technically fall into the exempt category but I don't actually have any issues so I wear a mask.

With things like anxiety and mental health, to be exempt, the condition would need to fit into that "substantial long term/permanent impact" etc to qualify. Simply having mild asthma, hayfever or something else is not an automatic exemption and I think that's clear when people read the guidelines from medics, including places like Asthma UK.

I find it ironic that covering the mouth and nose with a light scarf has been a recommended solution to cold air triggering asthma and recommended by Asthma UK for many years. A light scarf is a face covering under the Govt rules and would be fine (although I'd argue not especially efficacious re: Covid).

i totally agree, but people know they can’t be challenged, they know they don’t have to provide proof and so they have stretched the definitions to suit what i think for alot of them is actually just laziness/ convenience

a few people have said anyone can get a lanyard it will solve nothing ... actually i think if you cant be bothered to wear a face mask (and by that i mean the cant be arsed folk not the people with a real exemption) , chances of you being bothered to go online and get a lanyard and remember to take that out with you instead are probably pretty low ... i think the majority of lanyards are genuine

You don't have to go online, the Tesco store I shop in, gives them out and the Lloyds bank I use, do too. "

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By *usie pTV/TS  over a year ago

taunton

Install stocks in every supermarket car park and flog the pig ignorant fookers they are well beyond any type of education or common sense or care for fellow human beings

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By *iss LovelyWoman  over a year ago

Here and There


"I think masks should be mandatory in all public places. And if you can’t wear one, then you can’t go. I know it sounds radical, but these are desperate times. Everyone has to do their bit. I’m stuck at home alone all week, I go out once a week to the shop, then I’m home again and I see no one I know. It’s breaking me completely, but that’s me doing my bit. The folk that can’t wear masks near to stay home, that’s them doing their bit. It’s not fair to be a risk to others just because wearing a mask is hard for you.

Thankfully government and health authorities disagree with you.

Unless you have a condition that makes it impossible for you to wear a mask you really don't get to decide whether it's just hard or not.

Whether it’s hard or impossible I don’t think that anyone gets to walk round at the minute being an extra risk to others. Disability discrimination is, of course, hugely important. But there are other ways to get your shopping that would stop others being put at risk, and I think that’s more important at the moment. Everyone is being impacted in different ways, everyone is taking a hit.

And what exactly do you expect people to do, You want people to shut themselves away so that you can pretend they don't exist. What happens if certain businesses or the government decide that wearing face masks in public places is going to be permanent than what you expect people to do.

I expect them to stay home. Like I’m doing aside from 1 trip to the shop every week or so. If I couldn’t wear a mask I’d shop online or I’d have someone else get my shopping when they get theirs. I wouldn’t expect others to take the extra risk of catching Covid from me. I’d understand that I’m far less able to keep my Covid to myself if I have it if I don’t wear a mask, so I’d stay home.

This was a fair response that never got responded to.

Is it to much to ask those who can't wear a mask to stay in for a month or 2 (at the very least) until this peak starts to drop off?

Our medical staff, care workers and frontline NHS are risking their lives everyday to protect the vunverable and save lives.

In that context is it that big a sacrifice to ask those who can't wear a mask which essentially makes them dangerous to other people to stay at home.

KJ

Shopping deliveries aren't available in all locations. Some people don't have the internet or the ability to shop via telephone. "

In almost every community there are volunteers that help people in these situations. Or people have friends, family or neighbours. I think it’s a rare person that if unable to go into the shop would be unable to get some shopping somehow. In those cases someone st the supermarket.

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By *iss LovelyWoman  over a year ago

Here and There


"I think masks should be mandatory in all public places. And if you can’t wear one, then you can’t go. I know it sounds radical, but these are desperate times. Everyone has to do their bit. I’m stuck at home alone all week, I go out once a week to the shop, then I’m home again and I see no one I know. It’s breaking me completely, but that’s me doing my bit. The folk that can’t wear masks near to stay home, that’s them doing their bit. It’s not fair to be a risk to others just because wearing a mask is hard for you.

Thankfully government and health authorities disagree with you.

Unless you have a condition that makes it impossible for you to wear a mask you really don't get to decide whether it's just hard or not.

Whether it’s hard or impossible I don’t think that anyone gets to walk round at the minute being an extra risk to others. Disability discrimination is, of course, hugely important. But there are other ways to get your shopping that would stop others being put at risk, and I think that’s more important at the moment. Everyone is being impacted in different ways, everyone is taking a hit.

And what exactly do you expect people to do, You want people to shut themselves away so that you can pretend they don't exist. What happens if certain businesses or the government decide that wearing face masks in public places is going to be permanent than what you expect people to do.

I expect them to stay home. Like I’m doing aside from 1 trip to the shop every week or so. If I couldn’t wear a mask I’d shop online or I’d have someone else get my shopping when they get theirs. I wouldn’t expect others to take the extra risk of catching Covid from me. I’d understand that I’m far less able to keep my Covid to myself if I have it if I don’t wear a mask, so I’d stay home.

This was a fair response that never got responded to.

Is it to much to ask those who can't wear a mask to stay in for a month or 2 (at the very least) until this peak starts to drop off?

Our medical staff, care workers and frontline NHS are risking their lives everyday to protect the vunverable and save lives.

In that context is it that big a sacrifice to ask those who can't wear a mask which essentially makes them dangerous to other people to stay at home.

KJ

"

Exactly. I don’t think it’s too much to ask. We will all have to inconvenienced to get through this.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman  over a year ago

ashford


"Why is everyone so obsessed about masks when the science clearly shows 1-2m distance is what works and there’s no evidence at all for silly bits of material on your mouth "

Because it's not possible/not happening in supermarkets? X

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By *amissCouple  over a year ago

chelmsford


"i know the wording is clear , but the meaning is open to interpretation particularly where they describe severe distress ... who defines what constitutes severe distress (i understand why they have had to leave it wide open much like all the covid legislation)

i think because that bit is open some people tend to just ignore it and say ... well i have anxiety (when my friends leave me out) so thats anxiety so im exempt , i have an inhaler for occasional tough days when my hayfever triggers my mild asthma, but thats a breathing difficulty so i am exempt

i know its probably a minority (even these forums show many people who technically fall in the categories wearing them) but i think its partly where the misunderstanding of the scope comes from , the result being its caused a load of hassle for the genuinely exempt and opened the door wide for the full on chancers

I think I technically fall into the exempt category but I don't actually have any issues so I wear a mask.

With things like anxiety and mental health, to be exempt, the condition would need to fit into that "substantial long term/permanent impact" etc to qualify. Simply having mild asthma, hayfever or something else is not an automatic exemption and I think that's clear when people read the guidelines from medics, including places like Asthma UK.

I find it ironic that covering the mouth and nose with a light scarf has been a recommended solution to cold air triggering asthma and recommended by Asthma UK for many years. A light scarf is a face covering under the Govt rules and would be fine (although I'd argue not especially efficacious re: Covid).

i totally agree, but people know they can’t be challenged, they know they don’t have to provide proof and so they have stretched the definitions to suit what i think for alot of them is actually just laziness/ convenience

a few people have said anyone can get a lanyard it will solve nothing ... actually i think if you cant be bothered to wear a face mask (and by that i mean the cant be arsed folk not the people with a real exemption) , chances of you being bothered to go online and get a lanyard and remember to take that out with you instead are probably pretty low ... i think the majority of lanyards are genuine

You don't have to go online, the Tesco store I shop in, gives them out and the Lloyds bank I use, do too.

"

Tesco didn't have them on show. My husband is exempt and on the rare occasions he shops with me, he insisted on wearing a mask, until he nearly flaked out in Tescos! The staff were excellent with him and he was happy to explain his situation, it was then that they offered him a lanyard. He doesn't like wearing it because he says people stare at him, like he's a fake....so yes, some disabilities are hidden..

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By *he-Hosiery-GentMan  over a year ago

Older Hot Bearded Guy

Masks aren’t making any fucking difference. We see the proof everyday in the case numbers rising.

Ditch them and just be sensible keeping distance from those that may be vulnerable.

Common sense.

Except, we don’t have any in this country.

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By *amissCouple  over a year ago

chelmsford


"Masks aren’t making any fucking difference. We see the proof everyday in the case numbers rising.

Ditch them and just be sensible keeping distance from those that may be vulnerable.

Common sense.

Except, we don’t have any in this country.

"

And not all practice social distancing, unfortunately...

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By *naswingdressWoman  over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"I think masks should be mandatory in all public places. And if you can’t wear one, then you can’t go. I know it sounds radical, but these are desperate times. Everyone has to do their bit. I’m stuck at home alone all week, I go out once a week to the shop, then I’m home again and I see no one I know. It’s breaking me completely, but that’s me doing my bit. The folk that can’t wear masks near to stay home, that’s them doing their bit. It’s not fair to be a risk to others just because wearing a mask is hard for you.

Thankfully government and health authorities disagree with you.

Unless you have a condition that makes it impossible for you to wear a mask you really don't get to decide whether it's just hard or not.

Whether it’s hard or impossible I don’t think that anyone gets to walk round at the minute being an extra risk to others. Disability discrimination is, of course, hugely important. But there are other ways to get your shopping that would stop others being put at risk, and I think that’s more important at the moment. Everyone is being impacted in different ways, everyone is taking a hit.

And what exactly do you expect people to do, You want people to shut themselves away so that you can pretend they don't exist. What happens if certain businesses or the government decide that wearing face masks in public places is going to be permanent than what you expect people to do.

I expect them to stay home. Like I’m doing aside from 1 trip to the shop every week or so. If I couldn’t wear a mask I’d shop online or I’d have someone else get my shopping when they get theirs. I wouldn’t expect others to take the extra risk of catching Covid from me. I’d understand that I’m far less able to keep my Covid to myself if I have it if I don’t wear a mask, so I’d stay home.

This was a fair response that never got responded to.

Is it to much to ask those who can't wear a mask to stay in for a month or 2 (at the very least) until this peak starts to drop off?

Our medical staff, care workers and frontline NHS are risking their lives everyday to protect the vunverable and save lives.

In that context is it that big a sacrifice to ask those who can't wear a mask which essentially makes them dangerous to other people to stay at home.

KJ

Shopping deliveries aren't available in all locations. Some people don't have the internet or the ability to shop via telephone.

In almost every community there are volunteers that help people in these situations. Or people have friends, family or neighbours. I think it’s a rare person that if unable to go into the shop would be unable to get some shopping somehow. In those cases someone st the supermarket. "

I'm involved in the kind of voluntary work - in a situation where most people have families, friends and resources. We're breaking under the strain.

"Oh just get someone else to do it" will mean some people starve.

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By *naswingdressWoman  over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

I'm not sure "you have a disability, so you get to be a prisoner in your own home until this is over... whenever that is" is a mere *inconvenience*.

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By *amissCouple  over a year ago

chelmsford


"I'm not sure "you have a disability, so you get to be a prisoner in your own home until this is over... whenever that is" is a mere *inconvenience*."

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I think masks should be mandatory in all public places. And if you can’t wear one, then you can’t go. I know it sounds radical, but these are desperate times. Everyone has to do their bit. I’m stuck at home alone all week, I go out once a week to the shop, then I’m home again and I see no one I know. It’s breaking me completely, but that’s me doing my bit. The folk that can’t wear masks near to stay home, that’s them doing their bit. It’s not fair to be a risk to others just because wearing a mask is hard for you.

Thankfully government and health authorities disagree with you.

Unless you have a condition that makes it impossible for you to wear a mask you really don't get to decide whether it's just hard or not.

Whether it’s hard or impossible I don’t think that anyone gets to walk round at the minute being an extra risk to others. Disability discrimination is, of course, hugely important. But there are other ways to get your shopping that would stop others being put at risk, and I think that’s more important at the moment. Everyone is being impacted in different ways, everyone is taking a hit.

And what exactly do you expect people to do, You want people to shut themselves away so that you can pretend they don't exist. What happens if certain businesses or the government decide that wearing face masks in public places is going to be permanent than what you expect people to do.

I expect them to stay home. Like I’m doing aside from 1 trip to the shop every week or so. If I couldn’t wear a mask I’d shop online or I’d have someone else get my shopping when they get theirs. I wouldn’t expect others to take the extra risk of catching Covid from me. I’d understand that I’m far less able to keep my Covid to myself if I have it if I don’t wear a mask, so I’d stay home.

This was a fair response that never got responded to.

Is it to much to ask those who can't wear a mask to stay in for a month or 2 (at the very least) until this peak starts to drop off?

Our medical staff, care workers and frontline NHS are risking their lives everyday to protect the vunverable and save lives.

In that context is it that big a sacrifice to ask those who can't wear a mask which essentially makes them dangerous to other people to stay at home.

KJ

Shopping deliveries aren't available in all locations. Some people don't have the internet or the ability to shop via telephone.

In almost every community there are volunteers that help people in these situations. Or people have friends, family or neighbours. I think it’s a rare person that if unable to go into the shop would be unable to get some shopping somehow. In those cases someone st the supermarket. "

i dont agree that we can just lock up or ban vulnerable people ... but your post did make me think isnt it funny how last spring people were delighted to be able to just get the random shopping box dropped at the door that morrisons were doing to stop the elderly from having to go out , and now its an outrage that we might not be able to get into shops whenever we want to buy exactly what we want ... more an observation on how far people have dome in terms of fatigue with all this

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By *naswingdressWoman  over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

I'll note that "stay home indefinitely" is also what's been asked of the elderly and clinically vulnerable, and it's had horrifying mental health consequences for them.

We *all* have to get through this. Hopefully not by shitting on those with the least power.

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By *naswingdressWoman  over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"I think masks should be mandatory in all public places. And if you can’t wear one, then you can’t go. I know it sounds radical, but these are desperate times. Everyone has to do their bit. I’m stuck at home alone all week, I go out once a week to the shop, then I’m home again and I see no one I know. It’s breaking me completely, but that’s me doing my bit. The folk that can’t wear masks near to stay home, that’s them doing their bit. It’s not fair to be a risk to others just because wearing a mask is hard for you.

Thankfully government and health authorities disagree with you.

Unless you have a condition that makes it impossible for you to wear a mask you really don't get to decide whether it's just hard or not.

Whether it’s hard or impossible I don’t think that anyone gets to walk round at the minute being an extra risk to others. Disability discrimination is, of course, hugely important. But there are other ways to get your shopping that would stop others being put at risk, and I think that’s more important at the moment. Everyone is being impacted in different ways, everyone is taking a hit.

And what exactly do you expect people to do, You want people to shut themselves away so that you can pretend they don't exist. What happens if certain businesses or the government decide that wearing face masks in public places is going to be permanent than what you expect people to do.

I expect them to stay home. Like I’m doing aside from 1 trip to the shop every week or so. If I couldn’t wear a mask I’d shop online or I’d have someone else get my shopping when they get theirs. I wouldn’t expect others to take the extra risk of catching Covid from me. I’d understand that I’m far less able to keep my Covid to myself if I have it if I don’t wear a mask, so I’d stay home.

This was a fair response that never got responded to.

Is it to much to ask those who can't wear a mask to stay in for a month or 2 (at the very least) until this peak starts to drop off?

Our medical staff, care workers and frontline NHS are risking their lives everyday to protect the vunverable and save lives.

In that context is it that big a sacrifice to ask those who can't wear a mask which essentially makes them dangerous to other people to stay at home.

KJ

Shopping deliveries aren't available in all locations. Some people don't have the internet or the ability to shop via telephone.

In almost every community there are volunteers that help people in these situations. Or people have friends, family or neighbours. I think it’s a rare person that if unable to go into the shop would be unable to get some shopping somehow. In those cases someone st the supermarket.

i dont agree that we can just lock up or ban vulnerable people ... but your post did make me think isnt it funny how last spring people were delighted to be able to just get the random shopping box dropped at the door that morrisons were doing to stop the elderly from having to go out , and now its an outrage that we might not be able to get into shops whenever we want to buy exactly what we want ... more an observation on how far people have dome in terms of fatigue with all this "

My volunteering predates last spring's interest, which was brief. Our workload has exploded, hasn't eased off, and most of that surge is gone.

We're tired. We have nothing left to give.

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By *iss LovelyWoman  over a year ago

Here and There


"I think masks should be mandatory in all public places. And if you can’t wear one, then you can’t go. I know it sounds radical, but these are desperate times. Everyone has to do their bit. I’m stuck at home alone all week, I go out once a week to the shop, then I’m home again and I see no one I know. It’s breaking me completely, but that’s me doing my bit. The folk that can’t wear masks near to stay home, that’s them doing their bit. It’s not fair to be a risk to others just because wearing a mask is hard for you.

Thankfully government and health authorities disagree with you.

Unless you have a condition that makes it impossible for you to wear a mask you really don't get to decide whether it's just hard or not.

Whether it’s hard or impossible I don’t think that anyone gets to walk round at the minute being an extra risk to others. Disability discrimination is, of course, hugely important. But there are other ways to get your shopping that would stop others being put at risk, and I think that’s more important at the moment. Everyone is being impacted in different ways, everyone is taking a hit.

And what exactly do you expect people to do, You want people to shut themselves away so that you can pretend they don't exist. What happens if certain businesses or the government decide that wearing face masks in public places is going to be permanent than what you expect people to do.

I expect them to stay home. Like I’m doing aside from 1 trip to the shop every week or so. If I couldn’t wear a mask I’d shop online or I’d have someone else get my shopping when they get theirs. I wouldn’t expect others to take the extra risk of catching Covid from me. I’d understand that I’m far less able to keep my Covid to myself if I have it if I don’t wear a mask, so I’d stay home.

This was a fair response that never got responded to.

Is it to much to ask those who can't wear a mask to stay in for a month or 2 (at the very least) until this peak starts to drop off?

Our medical staff, care workers and frontline NHS are risking their lives everyday to protect the vunverable and save lives.

In that context is it that big a sacrifice to ask those who can't wear a mask which essentially makes them dangerous to other people to stay at home.

KJ

Shopping deliveries aren't available in all locations. Some people don't have the internet or the ability to shop via telephone.

In almost every community there are volunteers that help people in these situations. Or people have friends, family or neighbours. I think it’s a rare person that if unable to go into the shop would be unable to get some shopping somehow. In those cases someone st the supermarket.

I'm involved in the kind of voluntary work - in a situation where most people have families, friends and resources. We're breaking under the strain.

"Oh just get someone else to do it" will mean some people starve."

Need more volunteers then. Those of us are are able to shop with a minimal risk to others should be doing more so that those who can’t, can stay home.

Not being able to go to the supermarket doesn’t make you a prisoner in your own home. You can still get out each day if you choose to. But we should all be at home aside for essential trips and exercise anyway.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I think masks should be mandatory in all public places. And if you can’t wear one, then you can’t go. I know it sounds radical, but these are desperate times. Everyone has to do their bit. I’m stuck at home alone all week, I go out once a week to the shop, then I’m home again and I see no one I know. It’s breaking me completely, but that’s me doing my bit. The folk that can’t wear masks near to stay home, that’s them doing their bit. It’s not fair to be a risk to others just because wearing a mask is hard for you.

Thankfully government and health authorities disagree with you.

Unless you have a condition that makes it impossible for you to wear a mask you really don't get to decide whether it's just hard or not.

Whether it’s hard or impossible I don’t think that anyone gets to walk round at the minute being an extra risk to others. Disability discrimination is, of course, hugely important. But there are other ways to get your shopping that would stop others being put at risk, and I think that’s more important at the moment. Everyone is being impacted in different ways, everyone is taking a hit.

And what exactly do you expect people to do, You want people to shut themselves away so that you can pretend they don't exist. What happens if certain businesses or the government decide that wearing face masks in public places is going to be permanent than what you expect people to do.

I expect them to stay home. Like I’m doing aside from 1 trip to the shop every week or so. If I couldn’t wear a mask I’d shop online or I’d have someone else get my shopping when they get theirs. I wouldn’t expect others to take the extra risk of catching Covid from me. I’d understand that I’m far less able to keep my Covid to myself if I have it if I don’t wear a mask, so I’d stay home.

This was a fair response that never got responded to.

Is it to much to ask those who can't wear a mask to stay in for a month or 2 (at the very least) until this peak starts to drop off?

Our medical staff, care workers and frontline NHS are risking their lives everyday to protect the vunverable and save lives.

In that context is it that big a sacrifice to ask those who can't wear a mask which essentially makes them dangerous to other people to stay at home.

KJ

Shopping deliveries aren't available in all locations. Some people don't have the internet or the ability to shop via telephone.

In almost every community there are volunteers that help people in these situations. Or people have friends, family or neighbours. I think it’s a rare person that if unable to go into the shop would be unable to get some shopping somehow. In those cases someone st the supermarket.

i dont agree that we can just lock up or ban vulnerable people ... but your post did make me think isnt it funny how last spring people were delighted to be able to just get the random shopping box dropped at the door that morrisons were doing to stop the elderly from having to go out , and now its an outrage that we might not be able to get into shops whenever we want to buy exactly what we want ... more an observation on how far people have dome in terms of fatigue with all this

My volunteering predates last spring's interest, which was brief. Our workload has exploded, hasn't eased off, and most of that surge is gone.

We're tired. We have nothing left to give."

i appreciate that , and i understand why people are now fatigued with the situation too ... just observing the difference between lockdown 1 when streets came together to help their neighbours and facebook groups were set up to help isolation and there was a real sense of lets all pull together to get through this , now it seems the shift is back to every man for himself

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By *naswingdressWoman  over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

If more volunteers existed it'd be a fine thing. But thrusting a huge population into needing volunteers without finding the manpower (and remembering that volunteer time and length of engagement is finite, volunteers are human beings too)... Some people will starve.

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By *naswingdressWoman  over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"I think masks should be mandatory in all public places. And if you can’t wear one, then you can’t go. I know it sounds radical, but these are desperate times. Everyone has to do their bit. I’m stuck at home alone all week, I go out once a week to the shop, then I’m home again and I see no one I know. It’s breaking me completely, but that’s me doing my bit. The folk that can’t wear masks near to stay home, that’s them doing their bit. It’s not fair to be a risk to others just because wearing a mask is hard for you.

Thankfully government and health authorities disagree with you.

Unless you have a condition that makes it impossible for you to wear a mask you really don't get to decide whether it's just hard or not.

Whether it’s hard or impossible I don’t think that anyone gets to walk round at the minute being an extra risk to others. Disability discrimination is, of course, hugely important. But there are other ways to get your shopping that would stop others being put at risk, and I think that’s more important at the moment. Everyone is being impacted in different ways, everyone is taking a hit.

And what exactly do you expect people to do, You want people to shut themselves away so that you can pretend they don't exist. What happens if certain businesses or the government decide that wearing face masks in public places is going to be permanent than what you expect people to do.

I expect them to stay home. Like I’m doing aside from 1 trip to the shop every week or so. If I couldn’t wear a mask I’d shop online or I’d have someone else get my shopping when they get theirs. I wouldn’t expect others to take the extra risk of catching Covid from me. I’d understand that I’m far less able to keep my Covid to myself if I have it if I don’t wear a mask, so I’d stay home.

This was a fair response that never got responded to.

Is it to much to ask those who can't wear a mask to stay in for a month or 2 (at the very least) until this peak starts to drop off?

Our medical staff, care workers and frontline NHS are risking their lives everyday to protect the vunverable and save lives.

In that context is it that big a sacrifice to ask those who can't wear a mask which essentially makes them dangerous to other people to stay at home.

KJ

Shopping deliveries aren't available in all locations. Some people don't have the internet or the ability to shop via telephone.

In almost every community there are volunteers that help people in these situations. Or people have friends, family or neighbours. I think it’s a rare person that if unable to go into the shop would be unable to get some shopping somehow. In those cases someone st the supermarket.

i dont agree that we can just lock up or ban vulnerable people ... but your post did make me think isnt it funny how last spring people were delighted to be able to just get the random shopping box dropped at the door that morrisons were doing to stop the elderly from having to go out , and now its an outrage that we might not be able to get into shops whenever we want to buy exactly what we want ... more an observation on how far people have dome in terms of fatigue with all this

My volunteering predates last spring's interest, which was brief. Our workload has exploded, hasn't eased off, and most of that surge is gone.

We're tired. We have nothing left to give.

i appreciate that , and i understand why people are now fatigued with the situation too ... just observing the difference between lockdown 1 when streets came together to help their neighbours and facebook groups were set up to help isolation and there was a real sense of lets all pull together to get through this , now it seems the shift is back to every man for himself "

I agree entirely.

Which would make it even worse.

Community engagement is down. The core of volunteers is exhausted - we haven't stopped since March.

The need has grown.

Oh here, have a whole lot more people who need you.

... That'd be a clusterfuck.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"All most of these “rules” or “requests” (brand them as you will) are is pointless and nobody has a clue what to do anymore! I read earlier ainsbury’s want to encourage people to shop alone, so a couple can live together and exercise outdoors together but they can’t shop together?

Utterly pointless and ridiculous... "

The point is to reduce the number of bodies in the store - which makes good sense.

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By *iss LovelyWoman  over a year ago

Here and There


"If more volunteers existed it'd be a fine thing. But thrusting a huge population into needing volunteers without finding the manpower (and remembering that volunteer time and length of engagement is finite, volunteers are human beings too)... Some people will starve."

Currently no one will starve because despite the supermarkets deciding no one can come in without a mask unless they have an exemption, there is still no restriction on who can have an exemption. So nothing will change and the supermarkets will still be full of folk with no masks. Those of us that stay at home aside from a trip the shop because it’s the right thing to do, despite the the catastrophic impacts in our metal health will still be at extra risk in the supermarket because of those without masks. And people will die because of that too.

As a society we should pulling together to make everyone as safe as possible. It will involve inconvenience and sacrifice all round.

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By *naswingdressWoman  over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"If more volunteers existed it'd be a fine thing. But thrusting a huge population into needing volunteers without finding the manpower (and remembering that volunteer time and length of engagement is finite, volunteers are human beings too)... Some people will starve.

Currently no one will starve because despite the supermarkets deciding no one can come in without a mask unless they have an exemption, there is still no restriction on who can have an exemption. So nothing will change and the supermarkets will still be full of folk with no masks. Those of us that stay at home aside from a trip the shop because it’s the right thing to do, despite the the catastrophic impacts in our metal health will still be at extra risk in the supermarket because of those without masks. And people will die because of that too.

As a society we should pulling together to make everyone as safe as possible. It will involve inconvenience and sacrifice all round. "

I don't go out except to the supermarket (or in the course of my volunteering), haven't been in a non essential shop since the spring. I wear a mask, *despite being exempt myself*. I've been volunteering with vulnerable people for close to five years. I've suffered enormously.

My money is where my mouth is.

Your proposal is unworkable, and would lead to enormous suffering.

Why are we focusing on the least powerful, rather than those with the power to make overarching societal change?

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By *naswingdressWoman  over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

My guess is that removing mask exemptions would at least triple the need for volunteers to help with shopping.

We're not coping with what we've got ffs.

And that's even removing the idea that basic dignity and independence might be important for the disabled, clinically vulnerable, and elderly.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman  over a year ago

ashford

Have just this minute received an email stating that the security guards are challenging none wearers of masks! X

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Was a woman from a shop earlier today telling about a customer who she asked if he could wear a mask. The customer coughed directly into her face and she has had to isolate as a direct consequence of this....bloody appalling!

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By *amissCouple  over a year ago

chelmsford


"Have just this minute received an email stating that the security guards are challenging none wearers of masks! X"

'Challenging' sounds a bit heavy handed, couldn't they just ask?

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By *amissCouple  over a year ago

chelmsford


"Was a woman from a shop earlier today telling about a customer who she asked if he could wear a mask. The customer coughed directly into her face and she has had to isolate as a direct consequence of this....bloody appalling!"

That is disgusting..

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By *naswingdressWoman  over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"Was a woman from a shop earlier today telling about a customer who she asked if he could wear a mask. The customer coughed directly into her face and she has had to isolate as a direct consequence of this....bloody appalling!"

I wonder if that's criminally assault.

I'm not promoting exempt people getting up in people's faces let alone coughing.

Just head down, shop alone where possible, in and out.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman  over a year ago

ashford


"Have just this minute received an email stating that the security guards are challenging none wearers of masks! X

'Challenging' sounds a bit heavy handed, couldn't they just ask?"

Just quoting the email it also says groups of people entering the store alot of other stuff about safeguarding staff and customers x

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Was a woman from a shop earlier today telling about a customer who she asked if he could wear a mask. The customer coughed directly into her face and she has had to isolate as a direct consequence of this....bloody appalling!

That is disgusting.."

If caught I think they should get locked up for at least 6 months

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By *andyfloss2000Woman  over a year ago

ashford


"Was a woman from a shop earlier today telling about a customer who she asked if he could wear a mask. The customer coughed directly into her face and she has had to isolate as a direct consequence of this....bloody appalling!

That is disgusting..

If caught I think they should get locked up for at least 6 months"

Gross! X

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By *amissCouple  over a year ago

chelmsford


"Have just this minute received an email stating that the security guards are challenging none wearers of masks! X

'Challenging' sounds a bit heavy handed, couldn't they just ask?

Just quoting the email it also says groups of people entering the store alot of other stuff about safeguarding staff and customers x"

I agree with the groups of people, that isn't necessary

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By *ungBlackTopMan  over a year ago

salford

There is no medical condition that warrants not wearing a mask to help protect against covid. If you have a respiratory disease then part of your treatment in hospital is a fucking mask of oxygen and you don't hear the morons complaining then. People love to find excuses to not do the right thing. If you're that much at risk then stay in your smelly, dirty houses but wear a bloody mask when asked to do so if not do 1.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Have just this minute received an email stating that the security guards are challenging none wearers of masks! X

'Challenging' sounds a bit heavy handed, couldn't they just ask?

Just quoting the email it also says groups of people entering the store alot of other stuff about safeguarding staff and customers x"

That's a good one on the groups...its about time we brought back single shoppers like in march. The only exception should be someone accompanied by a carer and maybe single parents who have no one to look after their kids.

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By *amissCouple  over a year ago

chelmsford


"Was a woman from a shop earlier today telling about a customer who she asked if he could wear a mask. The customer coughed directly into her face and she has had to isolate as a direct consequence of this....bloody appalling!

That is disgusting..

If caught I think they should get locked up for at least 6 months"

Yes, I agree

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By *amissCouple  over a year ago

chelmsford


"Have just this minute received an email stating that the security guards are challenging none wearers of masks! X

'Challenging' sounds a bit heavy handed, couldn't they just ask?

Just quoting the email it also says groups of people entering the store alot of other stuff about safeguarding staff and customers x

That's a good one on the groups...its about time we brought back single shoppers like in march. The only exception should be someone accompanied by a carer and maybe single parents who have no one to look after their kids."

Yes, I agree

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By *wisted999Man  over a year ago

North Bucks

I have a condition that could exempt me from wearing a mask.

I do however wear a mask as it’s for the greater good. If I find it’s all coming on top of me I simply leave the shop and come back when their is less over stimulation.

We are all in this together.

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By *ensual massagerMan  over a year ago

Bolton


"Just playing devil's advocate here, but is there any aspect of UK law that allows a retail premises to refuse entry to anybody they may feel is a danger to staff or customers? My sister tells me that there is in Japan, and this has been used a lot in similar circumstances to justify refusing entry to people without masks, whether disabled or not.

No because the government are the ones that have put the exemptions in place not the supermarkets or individuals.

We also have to remember that covid will not be around forever so we do not want to live in a society that rejects people from accessing services and goods because of a disability."

Well said as are all of your responses. I'm not disabled and I comply with the law especially in shops etc but I also think it's absolutely horrendous for any premises to refuse entry because they aren't or cannot wear a sign saying they're disabled to some extent. The discrimination laws are very clear

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By *andyfloss2000Woman  over a year ago

ashford


"There is no medical condition that warrants not wearing a mask to help protect against covid. If you have a respiratory disease then part of your treatment in hospital is a fucking mask of oxygen and you don't hear the morons complaining then. People love to find excuses to not do the right thing. If you're that much at risk then stay in your smelly, dirty houses but wear a bloody mask when asked to do so if not do 1."

Wouldn't put it quite so aggressively but can c where u coming from x

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By *naswingdressWoman  over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"There is no medical condition that warrants not wearing a mask to help protect against covid. If you have a respiratory disease then part of your treatment in hospital is a fucking mask of oxygen and you don't hear the morons complaining then. People love to find excuses to not do the right thing. If you're that much at risk then stay in your smelly, dirty houses but wear a bloody mask when asked to do so if not do 1."

The law disagrees.

There's no correlation between clinical vulnerability and exemption.

There's also no correlation between exemption and lack of hygiene.

Maybe look for ways to help rather than insulting people?

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By *ensual massagerMan  over a year ago

Bolton


"Of course, these supermarkets could be setting themselves up for a backlash - every anti-vax, covid-hoax claimer may wish to turn up determined to exercise their right to shop where they want.

As far as I am aware nobody has a 'right' to enter the property of another without permission - and if that permission is refused on reasonable grounds … then there isn't really any room for complaint.

"

So refusing on the grounds of disability is ok?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I have a condition that could exempt me from wearing a mask.

I do however wear a mask as it’s for the greater good. If I find it’s all coming on top of me I simply leave the shop and come back when their is less over stimulation.

We are all in this together.

"

Same

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By *naswingdressWoman  over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

I personally don't particularly fancy having to wear a sign pointing out that I have disabilities. Tensions are high. I just want to be able to feed myself without relying on a volunteer network stretched to breaking point.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman  over a year ago

ashford


"Just playing devil's advocate here, but is there any aspect of UK law that allows a retail premises to refuse entry to anybody they may feel is a danger to staff or customers? My sister tells me that there is in Japan, and this has been used a lot in similar circumstances to justify refusing entry to people without masks, whether disabled or not.

No because the government are the ones that have put the exemptions in place not the supermarkets or individuals.

We also have to remember that covid will not be around forever so we do not want to live in a society that rejects people from accessing services and goods because of a disability.

Well said as are all of your responses. I'm not disabled and I comply with the law especially in shops etc but I also think it's absolutely horrendous for any premises to refuse entry because they aren't or cannot wear a sign saying they're disabled to some extent. The discrimination laws are very clear "

Yes for sure but these are not normal times and people are getting very ill! Something needs to change and whilst no one wants to offend or ostracize anyone things getting scary x

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Was a woman from a shop earlier today telling about a customer who she asked if he could wear a mask. The customer coughed directly into her face and she has had to isolate as a direct consequence of this....bloody appalling!

I wonder if that's criminally assault.

I'm not promoting exempt people getting up in people's faces let alone coughing.

Just head down, shop alone where possible, in and out."

I very much doubt this will have been a exempt person....I could be wrong but it sounded like it was a toe rag..

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By *ensual massagerMan  over a year ago

Bolton


"Why is everyone so obsessed about masks when the science clearly shows 1-2m distance is what works and there’s no evidence at all for silly bits of material on your mouth

Show me the evidence that says that ?"

Show evidence that it does protect fully

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Will they legally be able to ask people why they haven’t got a mask on ? Government advice is you should not and people are covered under DDA

If they implement it in law.... Yes they will be able to. The sooner the better, and personally thinking, bring in the same level of enforcement used in France... You're questioned regarding why you are where you are and asked for physical proof to verify, if you don't have it you get an on the spot fine."

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