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"Now bleating on about the numbers from Christmas... They were the f*****g idiots who allowed this to happen.. " No, everyone's individual actions Isnt down to the government . | |||
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"Now bleating on about the numbers from Christmas... They were the f*****g idiots who allowed this to happen.. No, everyone's individual actions Isnt down to the government . " Yes individuals are to blame but on the whole the government had made it easy for them over the period! | |||
"Now bleating on about the numbers from Christmas... They were the f*****g idiots who allowed this to happen.. No, everyone's individual actions Isnt down to the government . Yes individuals are to blame but on the whole the government had made it easy for them over the period!" It's just an excuse to blame the poor government | |||
"Now bleating on about the numbers from Christmas... They were the f*****g idiots who allowed this to happen.. " Just because you could, doesn't mean you should. ONLY people spread the Virus. | |||
"Now bleating on about the numbers from Christmas... They were the f*****g idiots who allowed this to happen.. No, everyone's individual actions Isnt down to the government . Yes individuals are to blame but on the whole the government had made it easy for them over the period! It's just an excuse to blame the poor government" They don't need an excuse!!! I've saw first hand and work with covid patients...if the government had acted sooner then we wouldn't be in the dire straits we are now. | |||
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"2½ weeks shy of a full year and still the government haven't got a handle on the situation" Give them time! | |||
"Now bleating on about the numbers from Christmas... They were the f*****g idiots who allowed this to happen.. No, everyone's individual actions Isnt down to the government . Yes individuals are to blame but on the whole the government had made it easy for them over the period! It's just an excuse to blame the poor government They don't need an excuse!!! I've saw first hand and work with covid patients...if the government had acted sooner then we wouldn't be in the dire straits we are now." The population cant take responsibility for themselves so blame the government. Government didn't make the virus | |||
"Now bleating on about the numbers from Christmas... They were the f*****g idiots who allowed this to happen.. No, everyone's individual actions Isnt down to the government . Yes individuals are to blame but on the whole the government had made it easy for them over the period! It's just an excuse to blame the poor government"  | |||
"2½ weeks shy of a full year and still the government haven't got a handle on the situation" They knew about this in Nov 19 | |||
"Now bleating on about the numbers from Christmas... They were the f*****g idiots who allowed this to happen.. No, everyone's individual actions Isnt down to the government . Yes individuals are to blame but on the whole the government had made it easy for them over the period! It's just an excuse to blame the poor government They don't need an excuse!!! I've saw first hand and work with covid patients...if the government had acted sooner then we wouldn't be in the dire straits we are now. The population cant take responsibility for themselves so blame the government. Government didn't make the virus" You are correct, they didn't make the virus but they have contributed to it being distributed by not taking measures and locking things down. Obviously the idiots who do not abide by these measures are equally guilty. | |||
"2½ weeks shy of a full year and still the government haven't got a handle on the situation They knew about this in Nov 19" I think the 1st case of a uk citizen was around then..he was in China I think. | |||
"2½ weeks shy of a full year and still the government haven't got a handle on the situation They knew about this in Nov 19 I think the 1st case of a uk citizen was around then..he was in China I think." Yes,it broke about 3rd week of Nov in China, it could have been around for a couple of months before that | |||
"Now bleating on about the numbers from Christmas... They were the f*****g idiots who allowed this to happen.. Totally agree. It's not governments who spread virus, it's us, nobody else,just us. Sadly, my lovely elderly neighbour was taken into hospital on Sunday with Covid. His idiot daughter crying like a baby when he was being shipped into the ambulance. The aforementioned daughter was whining and complaining before Christmas about meeting for Christmas dinner and no government is going to dictate to me who I see and where I go. So she tips up before and during Christmas with her full brood. Dad and mum had not stepped foot outside before Christmas. How sad. Just because you could, doesn't mean you should. ONLY people spread the Virus." | |||
"Now bleating on about the numbers from Christmas... They were the f*****g idiots who allowed this to happen.. No, everyone's individual actions Isnt down to the government . Yes individuals are to blame but on the whole the government had made it easy for them over the period! It's just an excuse to blame the poor government" It was the government issuing the guidelines. We followed them to the letter being in tier 4 and spent the Christmas period on our own. Others in different tiers were advised that they were allowed to mix under certain conditions. This has resulted in increased cases. When are we supposed to follow govt advice and when are we supposed to ignore it? | |||
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"2½ weeks shy of a full year and still the government haven't got a handle on the situation They knew about this in Nov 19 I think the 1st case of a uk citizen was around then..he was in China I think." first confirmed case was back on 29th January last year and yet Johnson continued to holiday and attend lavish banquets where he was reported to have gorged himself on lobster & caviar whilst quaffing champagne. | |||
"2½ weeks shy of a full year and still the government haven't got a handle on the situation They knew about this in Nov 19 I think the 1st case of a uk citizen was around then..he was in China I think. first confirmed case was back on 29th January last year and yet Johnson continued to holiday and attend lavish banquets where he was reported to have gorged himself on lobster & caviar whilst quaffing champagne." What kind of caviar? Was it balouga? I like balouga caviar mmmmmm | |||
"2½ weeks shy of a full year and still the government haven't got a handle on the situation They knew about this in Nov 19 I think the 1st case of a uk citizen was around then..he was in China I think. first confirmed case was back on 29th January last year and yet Johnson continued to holiday and attend lavish banquets where he was reported to have gorged himself on lobster & caviar whilst quaffing champagne. What kind of caviar? Was it balouga? I like balouga caviar mmmmmm" Baluga * | |||
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"Now bleating on about the numbers from Christmas... They were the f*****g idiots who allowed this to happen.. No, everyone's individual actions Isnt down to the government . Yes individuals are to blame but on the whole the government had made it easy for them over the period! It's just an excuse to blame the poor government They don't need an excuse!!! I've saw first hand and work with covid patients...if the government had acted sooner then we wouldn't be in the dire straits we are now."  | |||
"the biggest question i will ever have is why they didn't quarantine at airports" a very good question | |||
"the biggest question i will ever have is why they didn't quarantine at airports... madness d" Exactly! That one falls squarely on the government and could've made a real difference. | |||
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"Ultimately, the way the British government have handled the whole pandemic has been extremely disappointing. I see my Aussie and Kiwi friends living normal lives and even going to music festivals, I can’t help but think that could have been us had we locked down sooner " Population density and size of country comes to mind initially. More people in Lancashire than New Zealand. Australia is 30 times bigger than the UK and less than half the population. | |||
"Now bleating on about the numbers from Christmas... They were the f*****g idiots who allowed this to happen.. No, everyone's individual actions Isnt down to the government . Yes individuals are to blame but on the whole the government had made it easy for them over the period! It's just an excuse to blame the poor government" Ah, just another government slagging thread | |||
"Now bleating on about the numbers from Christmas... They were the f*****g idiots who allowed this to happen.. No, everyone's individual actions Isnt down to the government . Yes individuals are to blame but on the whole the government had made it easy for them over the period! It's just an excuse to blame the poor government They don't need an excuse!!! I've saw first hand and work with covid patients...if the government had acted sooner then we wouldn't be in the dire straits we are now." How much sooner? | |||
"Now bleating on about the numbers from Christmas... They were the f*****g idiots who allowed this to happen.. No, everyone's individual actions Isnt down to the government . Yes individuals are to blame but on the whole the government had made it easy for them over the period! It's just an excuse to blame the poor government They don't need an excuse!!! I've saw first hand and work with covid patients...if the government had acted sooner then we wouldn't be in the dire straits we are now. The population cant take responsibility for themselves so blame the government. Government didn't make the virus" Interesting choice of word there... "Make"? | |||
"2½ weeks shy of a full year and still the government haven't got a handle on the situation They knew about this in Nov 19" So when did the WHO announce it was a pandemic? | |||
"Now bleating on about the numbers from Christmas... They were the f*****g idiots who allowed this to happen.. Just because you could, doesn't mean you should. ONLY people spread the Virus." | |||
"2½ weeks shy of a full year and still the government haven't got a handle on the situation They knew about this in Nov 19 I think the 1st case of a uk citizen was around then..he was in China I think." The first human cases of COVID-19, the disease caused by the novel coronavirus causing COVID-19, subsequently named SARS-CoV-2 were first reported by officials in Wuhan City, China, in December 2019. | |||
"Now bleating on about the numbers from Christmas... They were the f*****g idiots who allowed this to happen.. No, everyone's individual actions Isnt down to the government . Yes individuals are to blame but on the whole the government had made it easy for them over the period! It's just an excuse to blame the poor government They don't need an excuse!!! I've saw first hand and work with covid patients...if the government had acted sooner then we wouldn't be in the dire straits we are now. How much sooner? " Maybe it would have helped of he would have attented any of the meetings,when it began? | |||
"Now bleating on about the numbers from Christmas... They were the f*****g idiots who allowed this to happen.. No, everyone's individual actions Isnt down to the government . Yes individuals are to blame but on the whole the government had made it easy for them over the period! It's just an excuse to blame the poor government It was the government issuing the guidelines. We followed them to the letter being in tier 4 and spent the Christmas period on our own. Others in different tiers were advised that they were allowed to mix under certain conditions. This has resulted in increased cases. When are we supposed to follow govt advice and when are we supposed to ignore it?" told we were allowed but advised not to ... all they really said is having christmas dinner wont be against the law its perfectly lawful for me to go out and leave all my doors and windows wide open but i know if i do that i put myself at risk of being robbed | |||
"2½ weeks shy of a full year and still the government haven't got a handle on the situation They knew about this in Nov 19 I think the 1st case of a uk citizen was around then..he was in China I think. first confirmed case was back on 29th January last year and yet Johnson continued to holiday and attend lavish banquets where he was reported to have gorged himself on lobster & caviar whilst quaffing champagne." A new coronavirus disease (COVID-19) causing respiratory symptoms was first identified in December 2019 in China. The World Health Organization declared the outbreak of COVID-19 a pandemic on the 11 March 2020, this means COVID-19 has spread worldwide. | |||
"2½ weeks shy of a full year and still the government haven't got a handle on the situation They knew about this in Nov 19 I think the 1st case of a uk citizen was around then..he was in China I think. first confirmed case was back on 29th January last year and yet Johnson continued to holiday and attend lavish banquets where he was reported to have gorged himself on lobster & caviar whilst quaffing champagne. What kind of caviar? Was it balouga? I like balouga caviar mmmmmm Baluga *" Beluga even | |||
"2½ weeks shy of a full year and still the government haven't got a handle on the situation They knew about this in Nov 19 I think the 1st case of a uk citizen was around then..he was in China I think. first confirmed case was back on 29th January last year and yet Johnson continued to holiday and attend lavish banquets where he was reported to have gorged himself on lobster & caviar whilst quaffing champagne. A new coronavirus disease (COVID-19) causing respiratory symptoms was first identified in December 2019 in China. The World Health Organization declared the outbreak of COVID-19 a pandemic on the 11 March 2020, this means COVID-19 has spread worldwide." https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/coronavirus-first-briton-known-to-have-contracted-covid-19-dies-in-tragic-accident-12121553 | |||
"Now bleating on about the numbers from Christmas... They were the f*****g idiots who allowed this to happen.. No, everyone's individual actions Isnt down to the government . Yes individuals are to blame but on the whole the government had made it easy for them over the period! It's just an excuse to blame the poor government They don't need an excuse!!! I've saw first hand and work with covid patients...if the government had acted sooner then we wouldn't be in the dire straits we are now. How much sooner? " As soon as they saw the numbers were rising instead they bumbled about! | |||
"Now bleating on about the numbers from Christmas... They were the f*****g idiots who allowed this to happen.. No, everyone's individual actions Isnt down to the government . Yes individuals are to blame but on the whole the government had made it easy for them over the period! It's just an excuse to blame the poor government They don't need an excuse!!! I've saw first hand and work with covid patients...if the government had acted sooner then we wouldn't be in the dire straits we are now. How much sooner? Maybe it would have helped of he would have attented any of the meetings,when it began?" A new coronavirus disease (COVID-19) causing respiratory symptoms was first identified in December 2019 in China. The World Health Organization declared the outbreak of COVID-19 a pandemic on the 11 March 2020, this means COVID-19 has spread worldwide. | |||
"2½ weeks shy of a full year and still the government haven't got a handle on the situation They knew about this in Nov 19 I think the 1st case of a uk citizen was around then..he was in China I think. first confirmed case was back on 29th January last year and yet Johnson continued to holiday and attend lavish banquets where he was reported to have gorged himself on lobster & caviar whilst quaffing champagne. A new coronavirus disease (COVID-19) causing respiratory symptoms was first identified in December 2019 in China. The World Health Organization declared the outbreak of COVID-19 a pandemic on the 11 March 2020, this means COVID-19 has spread worldwide. https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/coronavirus-first-briton-known-to-have-contracted-covid-19-dies-in-tragic-accident-12121553" Yes but that wasn't known at that time. This is hindsight again. | |||
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"2½ weeks shy of a full year and still the government haven't got a handle on the situation They knew about this in Nov 19 I think the 1st case of a uk citizen was around then..he was in China I think. first confirmed case was back on 29th January last year and yet Johnson continued to holiday and attend lavish banquets where he was reported to have gorged himself on lobster & caviar whilst quaffing champagne. A new coronavirus disease (COVID-19) causing respiratory symptoms was first identified in December 2019 in China. The World Health Organization declared the outbreak of COVID-19 a pandemic on the 11 March 2020, this means COVID-19 has spread worldwide." If you know what you're saying is untrue then you're simply putting it lying WHO's final report on their trip to Wuhan is dated 16-24 feb 2020 The scientists issued a report warning that the virus is “spreading with astonishing speed” and called for governments to “immediately activate the highest level of national response,” including immediate and extensive testing and planning for closing schools and workplaces. Note I said final report. In Febuary Boris was taking his second holiday of the year and trying to secure a quickie divorce before the baby was born. A month after this report was issued large crowds were still allowed gather in the uk. who-china-joint-mission-on-covid-19-final-report.pdf | |||
"Living alone I could set up a bubble. I didn't. Over Xmas I could have seen my Mam and Dad. I didn't. We all know by now the governments messages can be mixed at times. But come one, this has been going on long enough now, it's not rocket science. We all have to take responsibility for our actions instead of passing the blame." I've already said that people have to take responsibility but when you have a government saying you can mix at Christmas for example...people are going to take that. | |||
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"As an aside..the people are too blame argument..does that mean if you catch it..its your fault?" The UK govt was slow to act and when they did it was piecemeal. They were well behind the curve. | |||
"As an aside..the people are too blame argument..does that mean if you catch it..its your fault? The UK govt was slow to act and when they did it was piecemeal. They were well behind the curve." But that lovely ms patel said we were ahead of the curve? | |||
"2½ weeks shy of a full year and still the government haven't got a handle on the situation They knew about this in Nov 19 I think the 1st case of a uk citizen was around then..he was in China I think. first confirmed case was back on 29th January last year and yet Johnson continued to holiday and attend lavish banquets where he was reported to have gorged himself on lobster & caviar whilst quaffing champagne. A new coronavirus disease (COVID-19) causing respiratory symptoms was first identified in December 2019 in China. The World Health Organization declared the outbreak of COVID-19 a pandemic on the 11 March 2020, this means COVID-19 has spread worldwide. If you know what you're saying is untrue then you're simply putting it lying WHO's final report on their trip to Wuhan is dated 16-24 feb 2020 The scientists issued a report warning that the virus is “spreading with astonishing speed” and called for governments to “immediately activate the highest level of national response,” including immediate and extensive testing and planning for closing schools and workplaces. Note I said final report. In Febuary Boris was taking his second holiday of the year and trying to secure a quickie divorce before the baby was born. A month after this report was issued large crowds were still allowed gather in the uk. who-china-joint-mission-on-covid-19-final-report.pdf" Ah, so the report is wrong and lying then? | |||
"As an aside..the people are too blame argument..does that mean if you catch it..its your fault?" Well according to a previous thread, one member said they're stupid if they get it citing Boris, trump and Macron | |||
"As an aside..the people are too blame argument..does that mean if you catch it..its your fault? The UK govt was slow to act and when they did it was piecemeal. They were well behind the curve." How long? | |||
"As an aside..the people are too blame argument..does that mean if you catch it..its your fault? Well according to a previous thread, one member said they're stupid if they get it citing Boris, trump and Macron " Well some on.here are saying its peoples fault for spreading it | |||
"Now bleating on about the numbers from Christmas... They were the f*****g idiots who allowed this to happen.. " No body forced anyone to go to others house's. Everyone's been provided with the same information. | |||
"2½ weeks shy of a full year and still the government haven't got a handle on the situation They knew about this in Nov 19 I think the 1st case of a uk citizen was around then..he was in China I think. first confirmed case was back on 29th January last year and yet Johnson continued to holiday and attend lavish banquets where he was reported to have gorged himself on lobster & caviar whilst quaffing champagne. A new coronavirus disease (COVID-19) causing respiratory symptoms was first identified in December 2019 in China. The World Health Organization declared the outbreak of COVID-19 a pandemic on the 11 March 2020, this means COVID-19 has spread worldwide. If you know what you're saying is untrue then you're simply putting it lying WHO's final report on their trip to Wuhan is dated 16-24 feb 2020 The scientists issued a report warning that the virus is “spreading with astonishing speed” and called for governments to “immediately activate the highest level of national response,” including immediate and extensive testing and planning for closing schools and workplaces. Note I said final report. In Febuary Boris was taking his second holiday of the year and trying to secure a quickie divorce before the baby was born. A month after this report was issued large crowds were still allowed gather in the uk. who-china-joint-mission-on-covid-19-final-report.pdf Ah, so the report is wrong and lying then? " First a A pandemic is the worldwide spread of a new disease. Thats all. WHO first issued a checklist in early January on pandemic preparedness. China only granted them access to Wuhan on Jan 20 On Jan 23 Jan. 23 it warned of a 4 percent death rate, human-to-human transmission and potential exporting of the virus to “any country.” | |||
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"Now bleating on about the numbers from Christmas... They were the f*****g idiots who allowed this to happen.. No body forced anyone to go to others house's. Everyone's been provided with the same information. " Exactly no-one was forced but they were told it was ok to do so | |||
"They wasted money on the Nightingale hospitals...why do all that then turn around and say they don't have the staff!! I am totally disillusioned by this government. Its the biggest balls up in history." all I have to say is who exactly gave the green light to send infected patients back into the care homes I'm March and April resulting in over 20000 deaths there ,. Somebody somewhere, needs to pay for this. It was criminal | |||
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"They wasted money on the Nightingale hospitals...why do all that then turn around and say they don't have the staff!! I am totally disillusioned by this government. Its the biggest balls up in history.all I have to say is who exactly gave the green light to send infected patients back into the care homes I'm March and April resulting in over 20000 deaths there ,. Somebody somewhere, needs to pay for this. It was criminal " You dont have to tell me.... I work in the sector. They are still sending positive patients into homes. | |||
 fucking tossers yes the government could of performed a little better but it’s a complete unknown situation that boris and co found themselves in as I said people need to take a bit of responsibility for them selves | |||
"As an aside..the people are too blame argument..does that mean if you catch it..its your fault?" not necessarily as its not visible and you could have touched something without realising ... but it was a human at fault and probably not boris johnson some people are careless and it will be their own fajlt but many more are unlucky as there are only so many precautions you can take | |||
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"Now bleating on about the numbers from Christmas... They were the f*****g idiots who allowed this to happen.. No body forced anyone to go to others house's. Everyone's been provided with the same information. Exactly no-one was forced but they were told it was ok to do so" How many threads complaining about the government do you think there would have been if the government had banned all visiting for Christmas? How many extra people suffering mental health problems? Suicide rates are always higher over the holiday period and may have increased even more, then been blamed on the PM. The decision was probably very hard to make, but damage limitation must have been a factor. | |||
"Now bleating on about the numbers from Christmas... They were the f*****g idiots who allowed this to happen.. No body forced anyone to go to others house's. Everyone's been provided with the same information. Exactly no-one was forced but they were told it was ok to do so How many threads complaining about the government do you think there would have been if the government had banned all visiting for Christmas? How many extra people suffering mental health problems? Suicide rates are always higher over the holiday period and may have increased even more, then been blamed on the PM. The decision was probably very hard to make, but damage limitation must have been a factor." How can they call it damage limitation when the numbers of deaths are rising? | |||
"They wasted money on the Nightingale hospitals...why do all that then turn around and say they don't have the staff!! I am totally disillusioned by this government. Its the biggest balls up in history.all I have to say is who exactly gave the green light to send infected patients back into the care homes I'm March and April resulting in over 20000 deaths there ,. Somebody somewhere, needs to pay for this. It was criminal You dont have to tell me.... I work in the sector. They are still sending positive patients into homes." Really?  | |||
"Now bleating on about the numbers from Christmas... They were the f*****g idiots who allowed this to happen.. No body forced anyone to go to others house's. Everyone's been provided with the same information. Exactly no-one was forced but they were told it was ok to do so How many threads complaining about the government do you think there would have been if the government had banned all visiting for Christmas? How many extra people suffering mental health problems? Suicide rates are always higher over the holiday period and may have increased even more, then been blamed on the PM. The decision was probably very hard to make, but damage limitation must have been a factor."
they knew fine well people were going to mix on christmas day wether is was allowed or not all they did was make it not illegal
they also made it hard / impossible for some people due to the tier 4 rules , the lick in of more restrictions boxing day and making it only 1 day where many couldn’t travel that distance in the alloted time
on top of this the rhetoric was you can mix on christmas but advised not to and if you must mix christmas day stop mixing with other people in the week before
if anyone heard boris and thought the virus was on pause for a day they need their head examined | |||
"As an aside..the people are too blame argument..does that mean if you catch it..its your fault? not necessarily as its not visible and you could have touched something without realising ... but it was a human at fault and probably not boris johnson some people are careless and it will be their own fajlt but many more are unlucky as there are only so many precautions you can take " There just seems more and more of these..well it's the people fault for spreading it' type of arguments. Ive read people saying..well if everyone followed the rules..we wouldnt be in this situation but If you go into work and pick it up..its hardly your fault is it? | |||
"Now bleating on about the numbers from Christmas... They were the f*****g idiots who allowed this to happen.. " The government have been setting rules since day one. The British public have protested about every step, gathered in groups, not worn masks, come out with god knows how many conspiracy theories and generally took no notice and you blame the government. | |||
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"Ultimately, the way the British government have handled the whole pandemic has been extremely disappointing. I see my Aussie and Kiwi friends living normal lives and even going to music festivals, I can’t help but think that could have been us had we locked down sooner " Population per square mile New Zealand. 9 Australia. 25 United Kingdom. 725 | |||
"Now bleating on about the numbers from Christmas... They were the f*****g idiots who allowed this to happen.. No body forced anyone to go to others house's. Everyone's been provided with the same information. Exactly no-one was forced but they were told it was ok to do so How many threads complaining about the government do you think there would have been if the government had banned all visiting for Christmas? How many extra people suffering mental health problems? Suicide rates are always higher over the holiday period and may have increased even more, then been blamed on the PM. The decision was probably very hard to make, but damage limitation must have been a factor." The issue was more that advuce was given..ignored.. he then tried to make political capital out of it by accusing starmer of wanting to cancel Christmas..then a week later did a u turn. | |||
"As an aside..the people are too blame argument..does that mean if you catch it..its your fault? not necessarily as its not visible and you could have touched something without realising ... but it was a human at fault and probably not boris johnson some people are careless and it will be their own fajlt but many more are unlucky as there are only so many precautions you can take There just seems more and more of these..well it's the people fault for spreading it' type of arguments. Ive read people saying..well if everyone followed the rules..we wouldnt be in this situation but If you go into work and pick it up..its hardly your fault is it?" if you go to work and don’t bother to wash your hands and touch lots of surfaces and then your face and mouth then it probably is your fault if you go to work and follow all the guidelines and get it you are unlucky neither of these detract from the fact that the virus is passed from human to human, it doesn’t fly through walls, its not coming through the air, water or food supplies, our pets are not carrying or spreading it ... so yes nothing but human behaviour can spread it and nothing but human behaviour can stop it (until we are all vaccinated) | |||
"Now bleating on about the numbers from Christmas... They were the f*****g idiots who allowed this to happen.. The government have been setting rules since day one. The British public have protested about every step, gathered in groups, not worn masks, come out with god knows how many conspiracy theories and generally took no notice and you blame the government. " The gmnt have done that many u turns we have lost count The majority of people have followed the rules. | |||
"Now bleating on about the numbers from Christmas... They were the f*****g idiots who allowed this to happen.. No body forced anyone to go to others house's. Everyone's been provided with the same information. Exactly no-one was forced but they were told it was ok to do so How many threads complaining about the government do you think there would have been if the government had banned all visiting for Christmas? How many extra people suffering mental health problems? Suicide rates are always higher over the holiday period and may have increased even more, then been blamed on the PM. The decision was probably very hard to make, but damage limitation must have been a factor.
they knew fine well people were going to mix on christmas day wether is was allowed or not all they did was make it not illegal
they also made it hard / impossible for some people due to the tier 4 rules , the lick in of more restrictions boxing day and making it only 1 day where many couldn’t travel that distance in the alloted time
on top of this the rhetoric was you can mix on christmas but advised not to and if you must mix christmas day stop mixing with other people in the week before
if anyone heard boris and thought the virus was on pause for a day they need their head examined" | |||
"As an aside..the people are too blame argument..does that mean if you catch it..its your fault? not necessarily as its not visible and you could have touched something without realising ... but it was a human at fault and probably not boris johnson some people are careless and it will be their own fajlt but many more are unlucky as there are only so many precautions you can take There just seems more and more of these..well it's the people fault for spreading it' type of arguments. Ive read people saying..well if everyone followed the rules..we wouldnt be in this situation but If you go into work and pick it up..its hardly your fault is it? if you go to work and don’t bother to wash your hands and touch lots of surfaces and then your face and mouth then it probably is your fault if you go to work and follow all the guidelines and get it you are unlucky neither of these detract from the fact that the virus is passed from human to human, it doesn’t fly through walls, its not coming through the air, water or food supplies, our pets are not carrying or spreading it ... so yes nothing but human behaviour can spread it and nothing but human behaviour can stop it (until we are all vaccinated)" I work in an office and despite stringent safety procedures..5 people have caught it in the last week If they are making you go into work,its not beyond the realms of possibility you may catch it. | |||
"Now bleating on about the numbers from Christmas... They were the f*****g idiots who allowed this to happen.. The government have been setting rules since day one. The British public have protested about every step, gathered in groups, not worn masks, come out with god knows how many conspiracy theories and generally took no notice and you blame the government. " From day one...... hardly | |||
"As an aside..the people are too blame argument..does that mean if you catch it..its your fault? not necessarily as its not visible and you could have touched something without realising ... but it was a human at fault and probably not boris johnson some people are careless and it will be their own fajlt but many more are unlucky as there are only so many precautions you can take There just seems more and more of these..well it's the people fault for spreading it' type of arguments. Ive read people saying..well if everyone followed the rules..we wouldnt be in this situation but If you go into work and pick it up..its hardly your fault is it? if you go to work and don’t bother to wash your hands and touch lots of surfaces and then your face and mouth then it probably is your fault if you go to work and follow all the guidelines and get it you are unlucky neither of these detract from the fact that the virus is passed from human to human, it doesn’t fly through walls, its not coming through the air, water or food supplies, our pets are not carrying or spreading it ... so yes nothing but human behaviour can spread it and nothing but human behaviour can stop it (until we are all vaccinated) I work in an office and despite stringent safety procedures..5 people have caught it in the last week If they are making you go into work,its not beyond the realms of possibility you may catch it. " How do they know they caught it at work? Have they been to a supermarket or on a bus? | |||
"Now bleating on about the numbers from Christmas... They were the f*****g idiots who allowed this to happen.. The government have been setting rules since day one. The British public have protested about every step, gathered in groups, not worn masks, come out with god knows how many conspiracy theories and generally took no notice and you blame the government. From day one...... hardly" It took them about 3 months to decide that wearing masks was a good idea. | |||
"As an aside..the people are too blame argument..does that mean if you catch it..its your fault? not necessarily as its not visible and you could have touched something without realising ... but it was a human at fault and probably not boris johnson some people are careless and it will be their own fajlt but many more are unlucky as there are only so many precautions you can take There just seems more and more of these..well it's the people fault for spreading it' type of arguments. Ive read people saying..well if everyone followed the rules..we wouldnt be in this situation but If you go into work and pick it up..its hardly your fault is it? if you go to work and don’t bother to wash your hands and touch lots of surfaces and then your face and mouth then it probably is your fault if you go to work and follow all the guidelines and get it you are unlucky neither of these detract from the fact that the virus is passed from human to human, it doesn’t fly through walls, its not coming through the air, water or food supplies, our pets are not carrying or spreading it ... so yes nothing but human behaviour can spread it and nothing but human behaviour can stop it (until we are all vaccinated) I work in an office and despite stringent safety procedures..5 people have caught it in the last week If they are making you go into work,its not beyond the realms of possibility you may catch it. How do they know they caught it at work? Have they been to a supermarket or on a bus?" Because one person had it and other people on her team caught it? | |||
"Living alone I could set up a bubble. I didn't. Over Xmas I could have seen my Mam and Dad. I didn't. We all know by now the governments messages can be mixed at times. But come one, this has been going on long enough now, it's not rocket science. We all have to take responsibility for our actions instead of passing the blame. I've already said that people have to take responsibility but when you have a government saying you can mix at Christmas for example...people are going to take that." We didn’t take that, people need to take responsibility, everybody is aware of how this spreads so why would you do it, just because you wouldn’t get a fine doesn’t make it ok. | |||
"As an aside..the people are too blame argument..does that mean if you catch it..its your fault? not necessarily as its not visible and you could have touched something without realising ... but it was a human at fault and probably not boris johnson some people are careless and it will be their own fajlt but many more are unlucky as there are only so many precautions you can take There just seems more and more of these..well it's the people fault for spreading it' type of arguments. Ive read people saying..well if everyone followed the rules..we wouldnt be in this situation but If you go into work and pick it up..its hardly your fault is it? if you go to work and don’t bother to wash your hands and touch lots of surfaces and then your face and mouth then it probably is your fault if you go to work and follow all the guidelines and get it you are unlucky neither of these detract from the fact that the virus is passed from human to human, it doesn’t fly through walls, its not coming through the air, water or food supplies, our pets are not carrying or spreading it ... so yes nothing but human behaviour can spread it and nothing but human behaviour can stop it (until we are all vaccinated) I work in an office and despite stringent safety procedures..5 people have caught it in the last week If they are making you go into work,its not beyond the realms of possibility you may catch it. How do they know they caught it at work? Have they been to a supermarket or on a bus? Because one person had it and other people on her team caught it?" That can't be right. People on here say only idiots catch it by having parties with their friends and family. | |||
"Now bleating on about the numbers from Christmas... They were the f*****g idiots who allowed this to happen.. The government have been setting rules since day one. The British public have protested about every step, gathered in groups, not worn masks, come out with god knows how many conspiracy theories and generally took no notice and you blame the government. From day one...... hardly It took them about 3 months to decide that wearing masks was a good idea." it was, actually longer than 3 months. Mask wearing was brought in last July | |||
"As an aside..the people are too blame argument..does that mean if you catch it..its your fault? not necessarily as its not visible and you could have touched something without realising ... but it was a human at fault and probably not boris johnson some people are careless and it will be their own fajlt but many more are unlucky as there are only so many precautions you can take There just seems more and more of these..well it's the people fault for spreading it' type of arguments. Ive read people saying..well if everyone followed the rules..we wouldnt be in this situation but If you go into work and pick it up..its hardly your fault is it? if you go to work and don’t bother to wash your hands and touch lots of surfaces and then your face and mouth then it probably is your fault if you go to work and follow all the guidelines and get it you are unlucky neither of these detract from the fact that the virus is passed from human to human, it doesn’t fly through walls, its not coming through the air, water or food supplies, our pets are not carrying or spreading it ... so yes nothing but human behaviour can spread it and nothing but human behaviour can stop it (until we are all vaccinated) I work in an office and despite stringent safety procedures..5 people have caught it in the last week If they are making you go into work,its not beyond the realms of possibility you may catch it. " and being in that office is the result of human behaviour ... your employer decided you work was not able to be done from home, they’ve asked you to come in, you’ve agreed ... all human behaviour also the safety procedures are either not quite as strong as assumed (because all 5 people must have been touching the same things and then their faces with unwashed hands) or perhaps there is further mutation and there are new ways to spread that the scientists have not yet realised | |||
"Now bleating on about the numbers from Christmas... They were the f*****g idiots who allowed this to happen.. The government have been setting rules since day one. The British public have protested about every step, gathered in groups, not worn masks, come out with god knows how many conspiracy theories and generally took no notice and you blame the government. From day one...... hardly It took them about 3 months to decide that wearing masks was a good idea." In fairness on that one they weren't the only ones to fuck up there, as the WHO were saying the same thing. I couldn't understand it at the time | |||
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"As an aside..the people are too blame argument..does that mean if you catch it..its your fault? not necessarily as its not visible and you could have touched something without realising ... but it was a human at fault and probably not boris johnson some people are careless and it will be their own fajlt but many more are unlucky as there are only so many precautions you can take There just seems more and more of these..well it's the people fault for spreading it' type of arguments. Ive read people saying..well if everyone followed the rules..we wouldnt be in this situation but If you go into work and pick it up..its hardly your fault is it? if you go to work and don’t bother to wash your hands and touch lots of surfaces and then your face and mouth then it probably is your fault if you go to work and follow all the guidelines and get it you are unlucky neither of these detract from the fact that the virus is passed from human to human, it doesn’t fly through walls, its not coming through the air, water or food supplies, our pets are not carrying or spreading it ... so yes nothing but human behaviour can spread it and nothing but human behaviour can stop it (until we are all vaccinated) I work in an office and despite stringent safety procedures..5 people have caught it in the last week If they are making you go into work,its not beyond the realms of possibility you may catch it. and being in that office is the result of human behaviour ... your employer decided you work was not able to be done from home, they’ve asked you to come in, you’ve agreed ... all human behaviour also the safety procedures are either not quite as strong as assumed (because all 5 people must have been touching the same things and then their faces with unwashed hands) or perhaps there is further mutation and there are new ways to spread that the scientists have not yet realised " You tend to not have much choice if you want to get paid. | |||
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"As an aside..the people are too blame argument..does that mean if you catch it..its your fault? not necessarily as its not visible and you could have touched something without realising ... but it was a human at fault and probably not boris johnson some people are careless and it will be their own fajlt but many more are unlucky as there are only so many precautions you can take There just seems more and more of these..well it's the people fault for spreading it' type of arguments. Ive read people saying..well if everyone followed the rules..we wouldnt be in this situation but If you go into work and pick it up..its hardly your fault is it? if you go to work and don’t bother to wash your hands and touch lots of surfaces and then your face and mouth then it probably is your fault if you go to work and follow all the guidelines and get it you are unlucky neither of these detract from the fact that the virus is passed from human to human, it doesn’t fly through walls, its not coming through the air, water or food supplies, our pets are not carrying or spreading it ... so yes nothing but human behaviour can spread it and nothing but human behaviour can stop it (until we are all vaccinated) I work in an office and despite stringent safety procedures..5 people have caught it in the last week If they are making you go into work,its not beyond the realms of possibility you may catch it. How do they know they caught it at work? Have they been to a supermarket or on a bus? Because one person had it and other people on her team caught it? That can't be right. People on here say only idiots catch it by having parties with their friends and family. " Exactly | |||
"What would people say if the government had cancelled Christmas, now people are bleating on about the rise in infected/ deaths . Reap what you sow " You realise the gmnts job is to make difficult decisions? | |||
"What I'm not happy about was when the government were disagreeing with the scientist advice, then finally accepting when the situation was getting worse " They ignore it ,then about a fortnight later act on it. | |||
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"As an aside..the people are too blame argument..does that mean if you catch it..its your fault? not necessarily as its not visible and you could have touched something without realising ... but it was a human at fault and probably not boris johnson some people are careless and it will be their own fajlt but many more are unlucky as there are only so many precautions you can take There just seems more and more of these..well it's the people fault for spreading it' type of arguments. Ive read people saying..well if everyone followed the rules..we wouldnt be in this situation but If you go into work and pick it up..its hardly your fault is it? if you go to work and don’t bother to wash your hands and touch lots of surfaces and then your face and mouth then it probably is your fault if you go to work and follow all the guidelines and get it you are unlucky neither of these detract from the fact that the virus is passed from human to human, it doesn’t fly through walls, its not coming through the air, water or food supplies, our pets are not carrying or spreading it ... so yes nothing but human behaviour can spread it and nothing but human behaviour can stop it (until we are all vaccinated) I work in an office and despite stringent safety procedures..5 people have caught it in the last week If they are making you go into work,its not beyond the realms of possibility you may catch it. and being in that office is the result of human behaviour ... your employer decided you work was not able to be done from home, they’ve asked you to come in, you’ve agreed ... all human behaviour also the safety procedures are either not quite as strong as assumed (because all 5 people must have been touching the same things and then their faces with unwashed hands) or perhaps there is further mutation and there are new ways to spread that the scientists have not yet realised You tend to not have much choice if you want to get paid." i feel like you are detouring from your original point which was how can people keep saying its peoples fault it’s spreading... person 1 gave that virus to person 2,3,4,5 ... whatever reasons they were in the same place and touching the same stuff don’t really matter ... it spreads people to people therefore only people can be the cause ... thats just science yes people have to work and there will be cases that are unavoidable because of that , but there are also many many interactions going on that are not unavoidable ... and thats the behaviour that needs to be reduced, so that when your work colleagues who picked it up partly through bad luck need a hospital bed, we have some still available for them | |||
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"And as ever those that chose to flex the guidance put us where we are now and then blame it on Boris and Co." I certainly haven't flexed any of the guidance and in my line of work have taken every precaution available to me but I still blame the government. They needed to be more stricter and decisive sooner. | |||
"As an aside..the people are too blame argument..does that mean if you catch it..its your fault? not necessarily as its not visible and you could have touched something without realising ... but it was a human at fault and probably not boris johnson some people are careless and it will be their own fajlt but many more are unlucky as there are only so many precautions you can take There just seems more and more of these..well it's the people fault for spreading it' type of arguments. Ive read people saying..well if everyone followed the rules..we wouldnt be in this situation but If you go into work and pick it up..its hardly your fault is it? if you go to work and don’t bother to wash your hands and touch lots of surfaces and then your face and mouth then it probably is your fault if you go to work and follow all the guidelines and get it you are unlucky neither of these detract from the fact that the virus is passed from human to human, it doesn’t fly through walls, its not coming through the air, water or food supplies, our pets are not carrying or spreading it ... so yes nothing but human behaviour can spread it and nothing but human behaviour can stop it (until we are all vaccinated) I work in an office and despite stringent safety procedures..5 people have caught it in the last week If they are making you go into work,its not beyond the realms of possibility you may catch it. and being in that office is the result of human behaviour ... your employer decided you work was not able to be done from home, they’ve asked you to come in, you’ve agreed ... all human behaviour also the safety procedures are either not quite as strong as assumed (because all 5 people must have been touching the same things and then their faces with unwashed hands) or perhaps there is further mutation and there are new ways to spread that the scientists have not yet realised You tend to not have much choice if you want to get paid. i feel like you are detouring from your original point which was how can people keep saying its peoples fault it’s spreading... person 1 gave that virus to person 2,3,4,5 ... whatever reasons they were in the same place and touching the same stuff don’t really matter ... it spreads people to people therefore only people can be the cause ... thats just science yes people have to work and there will be cases that are unavoidable because of that , but there are also many many interactions going on that are not unavoidable ... and thats the behaviour that needs to be reduced, so that when your work colleagues who picked it up partly through bad luck need a hospital bed, we have some still available for them " I.agree ..there are people breaking the rules and being irresponsible. But there are also people going to work and catching it,through no fault of their own.( Therefore the argument that..well it's the people to blame..is significantly flawed. And that's without even mentioning schools | |||
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"The government were told repeatedly by sage/indie sage and all sorts of academic commentary as well as unions what needed to be done but they weighed political and social issues over stopping transmission. We have had open schools, eat out, BLM and nationalist riots, cheltenham festival just before lockdown 1, atletico v liverpool(when madrid was locked down and liverpool invited 3000 covid infested Spaniards over), open ports and borders, street parties, xmas let off, and the list goes on. China locked down Wuhan province for 80 days. What the fuck is so wrong that brits won't choose to actually be responsible? This is an omnishambles of epic proportions and STILL people defend bojo as though he has done better than anyone else would!" Re the liverpool game. The club asked the gmnt for advice and were told it would be fine. | |||
"And as ever those that chose to flex the guidance put us where we are now and then blame it on Boris and Co. I certainly haven't flexed any of the guidance and in my line of work have taken every precaution available to me but I still blame the government. They needed to be more stricter and decisive sooner." Its just an easy get out. Boris has said himself he takes full responsibility, but according to here,he takes none whatsoever. Much easier to point the finger at everyone else and blindly ignore the facts. | |||
"As an aside..the people are too blame argument..does that mean if you catch it..its your fault? not necessarily as its not visible and you could have touched something without realising ... but it was a human at fault and probably not boris johnson some people are careless and it will be their own fajlt but many more are unlucky as there are only so many precautions you can take There just seems more and more of these..well it's the people fault for spreading it' type of arguments. Ive read people saying..well if everyone followed the rules..we wouldnt be in this situation but If you go into work and pick it up..its hardly your fault is it? if you go to work and don’t bother to wash your hands and touch lots of surfaces and then your face and mouth then it probably is your fault if you go to work and follow all the guidelines and get it you are unlucky neither of these detract from the fact that the virus is passed from human to human, it doesn’t fly through walls, its not coming through the air, water or food supplies, our pets are not carrying or spreading it ... so yes nothing but human behaviour can spread it and nothing but human behaviour can stop it (until we are all vaccinated) I work in an office and despite stringent safety procedures..5 people have caught it in the last week If they are making you go into work,its not beyond the realms of possibility you may catch it. and being in that office is the result of human behaviour ... your employer decided you work was not able to be done from home, they’ve asked you to come in, you’ve agreed ... all human behaviour also the safety procedures are either not quite as strong as assumed (because all 5 people must have been touching the same things and then their faces with unwashed hands) or perhaps there is further mutation and there are new ways to spread that the scientists have not yet realised You tend to not have much choice if you want to get paid. i feel like you are detouring from your original point which was how can people keep saying its peoples fault it’s spreading... person 1 gave that virus to person 2,3,4,5 ... whatever reasons they were in the same place and touching the same stuff don’t really matter ... it spreads people to people therefore only people can be the cause ... thats just science yes people have to work and there will be cases that are unavoidable because of that , but there are also many many interactions going on that are not unavoidable ... and thats the behaviour that needs to be reduced, so that when your work colleagues who picked it up partly through bad luck need a hospital bed, we have some still available for them I.agree ..there are people breaking the rules and being irresponsible. But there are also people going to work and catching it,through no fault of their own.( Therefore the argument that..well it's the people to blame..is significantly flawed. And that's without even mentioning schools " you know that the rule breakers are people right? and probably bringing it home, passing it to school , from pupil to pupil to the next household and eventually your office right? if everyone followed all of the rules all of the time, the chances of it getting to your office in the first place would be much lower... so yes for the most part people are to blame | |||
"As an aside..the people are too blame argument..does that mean if you catch it..its your fault? not necessarily as its not visible and you could have touched something without realising ... but it was a human at fault and probably not boris johnson some people are careless and it will be their own fajlt but many more are unlucky as there are only so many precautions you can take There just seems more and more of these..well it's the people fault for spreading it' type of arguments. Ive read people saying..well if everyone followed the rules..we wouldnt be in this situation but If you go into work and pick it up..its hardly your fault is it? if you go to work and don’t bother to wash your hands and touch lots of surfaces and then your face and mouth then it probably is your fault if you go to work and follow all the guidelines and get it you are unlucky neither of these detract from the fact that the virus is passed from human to human, it doesn’t fly through walls, its not coming through the air, water or food supplies, our pets are not carrying or spreading it ... so yes nothing but human behaviour can spread it and nothing but human behaviour can stop it (until we are all vaccinated) I work in an office and despite stringent safety procedures..5 people have caught it in the last week If they are making you go into work,its not beyond the realms of possibility you may catch it. and being in that office is the result of human behaviour ... your employer decided you work was not able to be done from home, they’ve asked you to come in, you’ve agreed ... all human behaviour also the safety procedures are either not quite as strong as assumed (because all 5 people must have been touching the same things and then their faces with unwashed hands) or perhaps there is further mutation and there are new ways to spread that the scientists have not yet realised You tend to not have much choice if you want to get paid. i feel like you are detouring from your original point which was how can people keep saying its peoples fault it’s spreading... person 1 gave that virus to person 2,3,4,5 ... whatever reasons they were in the same place and touching the same stuff don’t really matter ... it spreads people to people therefore only people can be the cause ... thats just science yes people have to work and there will be cases that are unavoidable because of that , but there are also many many interactions going on that are not unavoidable ... and thats the behaviour that needs to be reduced, so that when your work colleagues who picked it up partly through bad luck need a hospital bed, we have some still available for them I.agree ..there are people breaking the rules and being irresponsible. But there are also people going to work and catching it,through no fault of their own.( Therefore the argument that..well it's the people to blame..is significantly flawed. And that's without even mentioning schools you know that the rule breakers are people right? and probably bringing it home, passing it to school , from pupil to pupil to the next household and eventually your office right? if everyone followed all of the rules all of the time, the chances of it getting to your office in the first place would be much lower... so yes for the most part people are to blame " Are you saying children are also to blame? What about the numerous nurses and drs? What about people moved into care homes with it? All responsible? | |||
"As an aside..the people are too blame argument..does that mean if you catch it..its your fault? not necessarily as its not visible and you could have touched something without realising ... but it was a human at fault and probably not boris johnson some people are careless and it will be their own fajlt but many more are unlucky as there are only so many precautions you can take There just seems more and more of these..well it's the people fault for spreading it' type of arguments. Ive read people saying..well if everyone followed the rules..we wouldnt be in this situation but If you go into work and pick it up..its hardly your fault is it? if you go to work and don’t bother to wash your hands and touch lots of surfaces and then your face and mouth then it probably is your fault if you go to work and follow all the guidelines and get it you are unlucky neither of these detract from the fact that the virus is passed from human to human, it doesn’t fly through walls, its not coming through the air, water or food supplies, our pets are not carrying or spreading it ... so yes nothing but human behaviour can spread it and nothing but human behaviour can stop it (until we are all vaccinated) I work in an office and despite stringent safety procedures..5 people have caught it in the last week If they are making you go into work,its not beyond the realms of possibility you may catch it. and being in that office is the result of human behaviour ... your employer decided you work was not able to be done from home, they’ve asked you to come in, you’ve agreed ... all human behaviour also the safety procedures are either not quite as strong as assumed (because all 5 people must have been touching the same things and then their faces with unwashed hands) or perhaps there is further mutation and there are new ways to spread that the scientists have not yet realised You tend to not have much choice if you want to get paid. i feel like you are detouring from your original point which was how can people keep saying its peoples fault it’s spreading... person 1 gave that virus to person 2,3,4,5 ... whatever reasons they were in the same place and touching the same stuff don’t really matter ... it spreads people to people therefore only people can be the cause ... thats just science yes people have to work and there will be cases that are unavoidable because of that , but there are also many many interactions going on that are not unavoidable ... and thats the behaviour that needs to be reduced, so that when your work colleagues who picked it up partly through bad luck need a hospital bed, we have some still available for them I.agree ..there are people breaking the rules and being irresponsible. But there are also people going to work and catching it,through no fault of their own.( Therefore the argument that..well it's the people to blame..is significantly flawed. And that's without even mentioning schools you know that the rule breakers are people right? and probably bringing it home, passing it to school , from pupil to pupil to the next household and eventually your office right? if everyone followed all of the rules all of the time, the chances of it getting to your office in the first place would be much lower... so yes for the most part people are to blame " *currently to blame* ... i know there have been government decisions made re care homes etc but right now with the country already in lockdown cases are still rising so in what more would you have the government do because people wont even stick to the rules already in place | |||
"Now bleating on about the numbers from Christmas... They were the f*****g idiots who allowed this to happen.. " No they didn't. They explicitly said many times keepbit modest control the virus. Nobody frogmarched anyone into close proximity of anyone else in the shops or in their homes. That's on us. | |||
"Now bleating on about the numbers from Christmas... They were the f*****g idiots who allowed this to happen.. No they didn't. They explicitly said many times keepbit modest control the virus. Nobody frogmarched anyone into close proximity of anyone else in the shops or in their homes. That's on us. " Didn't they say it was ok to mix around Christmas or am I missing something? | |||
"The government were told repeatedly by sage/indie sage and all sorts of academic commentary as well as unions what needed to be done but they weighed political and social issues over stopping transmission. We have had open schools, eat out, BLM and nationalist riots, cheltenham festival just before lockdown 1, atletico v liverpool(when madrid was locked down and liverpool invited 3000 covid infested Spaniards over), open ports and borders, street parties, xmas let off, and the list goes on. China locked down Wuhan province for 80 days. What the fuck is so wrong that brits won't choose to actually be responsible? This is an omnishambles of epic proportions and STILL people defend bojo as though he has done better than anyone else would! Re the liverpool game. The club asked the gmnt for advice and were told it would be fine." Because presumably they have no brains and no responsibility? ... Easier to blame someone else. | |||
"Now bleating on about the numbers from Christmas... They were the f*****g idiots who allowed this to happen.. No they didn't. They explicitly said many times keepbit modest control the virus. Nobody frogmarched anyone into close proximity of anyone else in the shops or in their homes. That's on us. " If a child catches it on school..that's the childs fault? | |||
"As an aside..the people are too blame argument..does that mean if you catch it..its your fault? not necessarily as its not visible and you could have touched something without realising ... but it was a human at fault and probably not boris johnson some people are careless and it will be their own fajlt but many more are unlucky as there are only so many precautions you can take There just seems more and more of these..well it's the people fault for spreading it' type of arguments. Ive read people saying..well if everyone followed the rules..we wouldnt be in this situation but If you go into work and pick it up..its hardly your fault is it? if you go to work and don’t bother to wash your hands and touch lots of surfaces and then your face and mouth then it probably is your fault if you go to work and follow all the guidelines and get it you are unlucky neither of these detract from the fact that the virus is passed from human to human, it doesn’t fly through walls, its not coming through the air, water or food supplies, our pets are not carrying or spreading it ... so yes nothing but human behaviour can spread it and nothing but human behaviour can stop it (until we are all vaccinated) I work in an office and despite stringent safety procedures..5 people have caught it in the last week If they are making you go into work,its not beyond the realms of possibility you may catch it. and being in that office is the result of human behaviour ... your employer decided you work was not able to be done from home, they’ve asked you to come in, you’ve agreed ... all human behaviour also the safety procedures are either not quite as strong as assumed (because all 5 people must have been touching the same things and then their faces with unwashed hands) or perhaps there is further mutation and there are new ways to spread that the scientists have not yet realised You tend to not have much choice if you want to get paid. i feel like you are detouring from your original point which was how can people keep saying its peoples fault it’s spreading... person 1 gave that virus to person 2,3,4,5 ... whatever reasons they were in the same place and touching the same stuff don’t really matter ... it spreads people to people therefore only people can be the cause ... thats just science yes people have to work and there will be cases that are unavoidable because of that , but there are also many many interactions going on that are not unavoidable ... and thats the behaviour that needs to be reduced, so that when your work colleagues who picked it up partly through bad luck need a hospital bed, we have some still available for them I.agree ..there are people breaking the rules and being irresponsible. But there are also people going to work and catching it,through no fault of their own.( Therefore the argument that..well it's the people to blame..is significantly flawed. And that's without even mentioning schools you know that the rule breakers are people right? and probably bringing it home, passing it to school , from pupil to pupil to the next household and eventually your office right? if everyone followed all of the rules all of the time, the chances of it getting to your office in the first place would be much lower... so yes for the most part people are to blame Are you saying children are also to blame? What about the numerous nurses and drs? What about people moved into care homes with it? All responsible?" i think you are hung up on the words fault and blame ... if you swap it out for cause does that sit better with you? if a nurse passes to a patient, the burse is the cause if a child passes to another child, the child is the cause these spreads don’t have to be on purpose or from malice or even carelessness, and many are as I've already said unavoidable and probably bad luck even trying your hardest not to.... but none of it changes the cause and the only way to reduce the numbers is reduce the number of instances where there is the opportunity for the cause which is interaction with a person which has the infection | |||
"The government were told repeatedly by sage/indie sage and all sorts of academic commentary as well as unions what needed to be done but they weighed political and social issues over stopping transmission. We have had open schools, eat out, BLM and nationalist riots, cheltenham festival just before lockdown 1, atletico v liverpool(when madrid was locked down and liverpool invited 3000 covid infested Spaniards over), open ports and borders, street parties, xmas let off, and the list goes on. China locked down Wuhan province for 80 days. What the fuck is so wrong that brits won't choose to actually be responsible? This is an omnishambles of epic proportions and STILL people defend bojo as though he has done better than anyone else would! Re the liverpool game. The club asked the gmnt for advice and were told it would be fine. Because presumably they have no brains and no responsibility? ... Easier to blame someone else. " Someone asks the people controlling the situation for advice. They tell them it's fine Ergo the fault it was the people who asked the question. Serously? | |||
" *currently to blame* ... i know there have been government decisions made re care homes etc but right now with the country already in lockdown cases are still rising so in what more would you have the government do because people wont even stick to the rules already in place " The mistake regarding Care Homes was not the Government's fault! When this occurred, firstly it was the NHS who released Hospital Patients back in to Care Homes. Secondly, they did not realise that they were doing this at the time. Lastly, when this occurred we did not even know how the Virus was being transmitted! | |||
" *currently to blame* ... i know there have been government decisions made re care homes etc but right now with the country already in lockdown cases are still rising so in what more would you have the government do because people wont even stick to the rules already in place The mistake regarding Care Homes was not the Government's fault! When this occurred, firstly it was the NHS who released Hospital Patients back in to Care Homes. Secondly, they did not realise that they were doing this at the time. Lastly, when this occurred we did not even know how the Virus was being transmitted! " Have a look at the report done by amnesty international in oct last year. | |||
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" Have a look at the report done by amnesty international in oct last year." Without looking, I know that hindsight is the worlds best science! | |||
"As an aside..the people are too blame argument..does that mean if you catch it..its your fault? not necessarily as its not visible and you could have touched something without realising ... but it was a human at fault and probably not boris johnson some people are careless and it will be their own fajlt but many more are unlucky as there are only so many precautions you can take There just seems more and more of these..well it's the people fault for spreading it' type of arguments. Ive read people saying..well if everyone followed the rules..we wouldnt be in this situation but If you go into work and pick it up..its hardly your fault is it? if you go to work and don’t bother to wash your hands and touch lots of surfaces and then your face and mouth then it probably is your fault if you go to work and follow all the guidelines and get it you are unlucky neither of these detract from the fact that the virus is passed from human to human, it doesn’t fly through walls, its not coming through the air, water or food supplies, our pets are not carrying or spreading it ... so yes nothing but human behaviour can spread it and nothing but human behaviour can stop it (until we are all vaccinated) I work in an office and despite stringent safety procedures..5 people have caught it in the last week If they are making you go into work,its not beyond the realms of possibility you may catch it. and being in that office is the result of human behaviour ... your employer decided you work was not able to be done from home, they’ve asked you to come in, you’ve agreed ... all human behaviour also the safety procedures are either not quite as strong as assumed (because all 5 people must have been touching the same things and then their faces with unwashed hands) or perhaps there is further mutation and there are new ways to spread that the scientists have not yet realised You tend to not have much choice if you want to get paid. i feel like you are detouring from your original point which was how can people keep saying its peoples fault it’s spreading... person 1 gave that virus to person 2,3,4,5 ... whatever reasons they were in the same place and touching the same stuff don’t really matter ... it spreads people to people therefore only people can be the cause ... thats just science yes people have to work and there will be cases that are unavoidable because of that , but there are also many many interactions going on that are not unavoidable ... and thats the behaviour that needs to be reduced, so that when your work colleagues who picked it up partly through bad luck need a hospital bed, we have some still available for them I.agree ..there are people breaking the rules and being irresponsible. But there are also people going to work and catching it,through no fault of their own.( Therefore the argument that..well it's the people to blame..is significantly flawed. And that's without even mentioning schools you know that the rule breakers are people right? and probably bringing it home, passing it to school , from pupil to pupil to the next household and eventually your office right? if everyone followed all of the rules all of the time, the chances of it getting to your office in the first place would be much lower... so yes for the most part people are to blame " The whole part to blame is people. We are the ones spreading it whether we know we have it or not, I see primary school kids choosing to social distance from others not in their bubble because they know how important it is. If everyone would drop the entitled behaviour and pull together we wouldn't be in this mess | |||
" Have a look at the report done by amnesty international in oct last year. Without looking, I know that hindsight is the worlds best science! " Very convenient. | |||
"the biggest question i will ever have is why they didn't quarantine at airports... madness d" Came back to the UK March 11th last year not even a temp check at Gatwick was surprised was ready for tests and a slow passport control but there was nothing.. | |||
" Have a look at the report done by amnesty international in oct last year. Without looking, I know that hindsight is the worlds best science! Very convenient. " Just read it and I rest my case and stand by my original post!!!!! This report is all based upon what happened at the time before the necessary knowledge was learnt! It is a report that will hopefully prevent the Care Home thing happening again, but we know that already! | |||
"As an aside..the people are too blame argument..does that mean if you catch it..its your fault? not necessarily as its not visible and you could have touched something without realising ... but it was a human at fault and probably not boris johnson some people are careless and it will be their own fajlt but many more are unlucky as there are only so many precautions you can take There just seems more and more of these..well it's the people fault for spreading it' type of arguments. Ive read people saying..well if everyone followed the rules..we wouldnt be in this situation but If you go into work and pick it up..its hardly your fault is it? if you go to work and don’t bother to wash your hands and touch lots of surfaces and then your face and mouth then it probably is your fault if you go to work and follow all the guidelines and get it you are unlucky neither of these detract from the fact that the virus is passed from human to human, it doesn’t fly through walls, its not coming through the air, water or food supplies, our pets are not carrying or spreading it ... so yes nothing but human behaviour can spread it and nothing but human behaviour can stop it (until we are all vaccinated) I work in an office and despite stringent safety procedures..5 people have caught it in the last week If they are making you go into work,its not beyond the realms of possibility you may catch it. and being in that office is the result of human behaviour ... your employer decided you work was not able to be done from home, they’ve asked you to come in, you’ve agreed ... all human behaviour also the safety procedures are either not quite as strong as assumed (because all 5 people must have been touching the same things and then their faces with unwashed hands) or perhaps there is further mutation and there are new ways to spread that the scientists have not yet realised You tend to not have much choice if you want to get paid. i feel like you are detouring from your original point which was how can people keep saying its peoples fault it’s spreading... person 1 gave that virus to person 2,3,4,5 ... whatever reasons they were in the same place and touching the same stuff don’t really matter ... it spreads people to people therefore only people can be the cause ... thats just science yes people have to work and there will be cases that are unavoidable because of that , but there are also many many interactions going on that are not unavoidable ... and thats the behaviour that needs to be reduced, so that when your work colleagues who picked it up partly through bad luck need a hospital bed, we have some still available for them I.agree ..there are people breaking the rules and being irresponsible. But there are also people going to work and catching it,through no fault of their own.( Therefore the argument that..well it's the people to blame..is significantly flawed. And that's without even mentioning schools you know that the rule breakers are people right? and probably bringing it home, passing it to school , from pupil to pupil to the next household and eventually your office right? if everyone followed all of the rules all of the time, the chances of it getting to your office in the first place would be much lower... so yes for the most part people are to blame Are you saying children are also to blame? What about the numerous nurses and drs? What about people moved into care homes with it? All responsible? i think you are hung up on the words fault and blame ... if you swap it out for cause does that sit better with you? if a nurse passes to a patient, the burse is the cause if a child passes to another child, the child is the cause these spreads don’t have to be on purpose or from malice or even carelessness, and many are as I've already said unavoidable and probably bad luck even trying your hardest not to.... but none of it changes the cause and the only way to reduce the numbers is reduce the number of instances where there is the opportunity for the cause which is interaction with a person which has the infection " so sending someone who is infected back into a care home is a cause and its no ones fault or blame . Come on that just doesn't wash with me at all. I have, a, daughter, and a neice who work im social care sending someone who is infected back into a care home has the term of being a bed blocker. What is, the cause, of this... A shortage of beds and who is to blame for that... Both this, government and past governments running the NHS down. So someone actually is to blame here for allowimg our NHS to decline. This virus has just highlighted that very problem which governments have continuously ignored | |||
" Have a look at the report done by amnesty international in oct last year. Without looking, I know that hindsight is the worlds best science! Very convenient. Just read it and I rest my case and stand by my original post!!!!! This report is all based upon what happened at the time before the necessary knowledge was learnt! It is a report that will hopefully prevent the Care Home thing happening again, but we know that already! " According to a poster above..its still happening? | |||
"Now bleating on about the numbers from Christmas... They were the f*****g idiots who allowed this to happen.. No they didn't. They explicitly said many times keepbit modest control the virus. Nobody frogmarched anyone into close proximity of anyone else in the shops or in their homes. That's on us. Didn't they say it was ok to mix around Christmas or am I missing something?" Not in Tier 4 cold not see my mum had to get d*unk in front of the fire instead | |||
"As an aside..the people are too blame argument..does that mean if you catch it..its your fault? not necessarily as its not visible and you could have touched something without realising ... but it was a human at fault and probably not boris johnson some people are careless and it will be their own fajlt but many more are unlucky as there are only so many precautions you can take There just seems more and more of these..well it's the people fault for spreading it' type of arguments. Ive read people saying..well if everyone followed the rules..we wouldnt be in this situation but If you go into work and pick it up..its hardly your fault is it? if you go to work and don’t bother to wash your hands and touch lots of surfaces and then your face and mouth then it probably is your fault if you go to work and follow all the guidelines and get it you are unlucky neither of these detract from the fact that the virus is passed from human to human, it doesn’t fly through walls, its not coming through the air, water or food supplies, our pets are not carrying or spreading it ... so yes nothing but human behaviour can spread it and nothing but human behaviour can stop it (until we are all vaccinated) I work in an office and despite stringent safety procedures..5 people have caught it in the last week If they are making you go into work,its not beyond the realms of possibility you may catch it. and being in that office is the result of human behaviour ... your employer decided you work was not able to be done from home, they’ve asked you to come in, you’ve agreed ... all human behaviour also the safety procedures are either not quite as strong as assumed (because all 5 people must have been touching the same things and then their faces with unwashed hands) or perhaps there is further mutation and there are new ways to spread that the scientists have not yet realised You tend to not have much choice if you want to get paid. i feel like you are detouring from your original point which was how can people keep saying its peoples fault it’s spreading... person 1 gave that virus to person 2,3,4,5 ... whatever reasons they were in the same place and touching the same stuff don’t really matter ... it spreads people to people therefore only people can be the cause ... thats just science yes people have to work and there will be cases that are unavoidable because of that , but there are also many many interactions going on that are not unavoidable ... and thats the behaviour that needs to be reduced, so that when your work colleagues who picked it up partly through bad luck need a hospital bed, we have some still available for them I.agree ..there are people breaking the rules and being irresponsible. But there are also people going to work and catching it,through no fault of their own.( Therefore the argument that..well it's the people to blame..is significantly flawed. And that's without even mentioning schools you know that the rule breakers are people right? and probably bringing it home, passing it to school , from pupil to pupil to the next household and eventually your office right? if everyone followed all of the rules all of the time, the chances of it getting to your office in the first place would be much lower... so yes for the most part people are to blame Are you saying children are also to blame? What about the numerous nurses and drs? What about people moved into care homes with it? All responsible? i think you are hung up on the words fault and blame ... if you swap it out for cause does that sit better with you? if a nurse passes to a patient, the burse is the cause if a child passes to another child, the child is the cause these spreads don’t have to be on purpose or from malice or even carelessness, and many are as I've already said unavoidable and probably bad luck even trying your hardest not to.... but none of it changes the cause and the only way to reduce the numbers is reduce the number of instances where there is the opportunity for the cause which is interaction with a person which has the infection " Surely if you take that to tur logical conclusion the only way to reduce the numbers would be to shut down everything including schools? | |||
"Ultimately, the way the British government have handled the whole pandemic has been extremely disappointing. I see my Aussie and Kiwi friends living normal lives and even going to music festivals, I can’t help but think that could have been us had we locked down sooner " Where the government fucked up was when they locked us down in march they allowed planes, boats and euro trains to still bring people here. It should have been a full and brutal lockdown. Nobody in or out of the country for 4-5mths. | |||
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"Ultimately, the way the British government have handled the whole pandemic has been extremely disappointing. I see my Aussie and Kiwi friends living normal lives and even going to music festivals, I can’t help but think that could have been us had we locked down sooner Where the government fucked up was when they locked us down in march they allowed planes, boats and euro trains to still bring people here. It should have been a full and brutal lockdown. Nobody in or out of the country for 4-5mths." One of the big advantages we had was being an island..we had total control over who came in and out | |||
"We had cases in our home and deaths in December due to this virus. We went into full lockdown (no new admissions) and the cases cleared. Opened back up to receive patients from hospitals and our cases have soared again... So yes the government are to blame for screwing the NHS and now they have the audacity to say "protect the NHS"" https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-politics-53574265 | |||
"As an aside..the people are too blame argument..does that mean if you catch it..its your fault? not necessarily as its not visible and you could have touched something without realising ... but it was a human at fault and probably not boris johnson some people are careless and it will be their own fajlt but many more are unlucky as there are only so many precautions you can take There just seems more and more of these..well it's the people fault for spreading it' type of arguments. Ive read people saying..well if everyone followed the rules..we wouldnt be in this situation but If you go into work and pick it up..its hardly your fault is it? if you go to work and don’t bother to wash your hands and touch lots of surfaces and then your face and mouth then it probably is your fault if you go to work and follow all the guidelines and get it you are unlucky neither of these detract from the fact that the virus is passed from human to human, it doesn’t fly through walls, its not coming through the air, water or food supplies, our pets are not carrying or spreading it ... so yes nothing but human behaviour can spread it and nothing but human behaviour can stop it (until we are all vaccinated) I work in an office and despite stringent safety procedures..5 people have caught it in the last week If they are making you go into work,its not beyond the realms of possibility you may catch it. and being in that office is the result of human behaviour ... your employer decided you work was not able to be done from home, they’ve asked you to come in, you’ve agreed ... all human behaviour also the safety procedures are either not quite as strong as assumed (because all 5 people must have been touching the same things and then their faces with unwashed hands) or perhaps there is further mutation and there are new ways to spread that the scientists have not yet realised You tend to not have much choice if you want to get paid. i feel like you are detouring from your original point which was how can people keep saying its peoples fault it’s spreading... person 1 gave that virus to person 2,3,4,5 ... whatever reasons they were in the same place and touching the same stuff don’t really matter ... it spreads people to people therefore only people can be the cause ... thats just science yes people have to work and there will be cases that are unavoidable because of that , but there are also many many interactions going on that are not unavoidable ... and thats the behaviour that needs to be reduced, so that when your work colleagues who picked it up partly through bad luck need a hospital bed, we have some still available for them I.agree ..there are people breaking the rules and being irresponsible. But there are also people going to work and catching it,through no fault of their own.( Therefore the argument that..well it's the people to blame..is significantly flawed. And that's without even mentioning schools you know that the rule breakers are people right? and probably bringing it home, passing it to school , from pupil to pupil to the next household and eventually your office right? if everyone followed all of the rules all of the time, the chances of it getting to your office in the first place would be much lower... so yes for the most part people are to blame Are you saying children are also to blame? What about the numerous nurses and drs? What about people moved into care homes with it? All responsible? i think you are hung up on the words fault and blame ... if you swap it out for cause does that sit better with you? if a nurse passes to a patient, the burse is the cause if a child passes to another child, the child is the cause these spreads don’t have to be on purpose or from malice or even carelessness, and many are as I've already said unavoidable and probably bad luck even trying your hardest not to.... but none of it changes the cause and the only way to reduce the numbers is reduce the number of instances where there is the opportunity for the cause which is interaction with a person which has the infection Surely if you take that to tur logical conclusion the only way to reduce the numbers would be to shut down everything including schools?" schools are closed?? and still its spreading .... again PEOPLE
we all know its not possible to close absolutely every single place ... we need supermarkets, hospitals, care homes etc etc ... all the government can do is try to balance how much is closed/ restricted against the current numbers... the people have to do the rest | |||
"As an aside..the people are too blame argument..does that mean if you catch it..its your fault? not necessarily as its not visible and you could have touched something without realising ... but it was a human at fault and probably not boris johnson some people are careless and it will be their own fajlt but many more are unlucky as there are only so many precautions you can take There just seems more and more of these..well it's the people fault for spreading it' type of arguments. Ive read people saying..well if everyone followed the rules..we wouldnt be in this situation but If you go into work and pick it up..its hardly your fault is it? if you go to work and don’t bother to wash your hands and touch lots of surfaces and then your face and mouth then it probably is your fault if you go to work and follow all the guidelines and get it you are unlucky neither of these detract from the fact that the virus is passed from human to human, it doesn’t fly through walls, its not coming through the air, water or food supplies, our pets are not carrying or spreading it ... so yes nothing but human behaviour can spread it and nothing but human behaviour can stop it (until we are all vaccinated) I work in an office and despite stringent safety procedures..5 people have caught it in the last week If they are making you go into work,its not beyond the realms of possibility you may catch it. and being in that office is the result of human behaviour ... your employer decided you work was not able to be done from home, they’ve asked you to come in, you’ve agreed ... all human behaviour also the safety procedures are either not quite as strong as assumed (because all 5 people must have been touching the same things and then their faces with unwashed hands) or perhaps there is further mutation and there are new ways to spread that the scientists have not yet realised You tend to not have much choice if you want to get paid. i feel like you are detouring from your original point which was how can people keep saying its peoples fault it’s spreading... person 1 gave that virus to person 2,3,4,5 ... whatever reasons they were in the same place and touching the same stuff don’t really matter ... it spreads people to people therefore only people can be the cause ... thats just science yes people have to work and there will be cases that are unavoidable because of that , but there are also many many interactions going on that are not unavoidable ... and thats the behaviour that needs to be reduced, so that when your work colleagues who picked it up partly through bad luck need a hospital bed, we have some still available for them I.agree ..there are people breaking the rules and being irresponsible. But there are also people going to work and catching it,through no fault of their own.( Therefore the argument that..well it's the people to blame..is significantly flawed. And that's without even mentioning schools you know that the rule breakers are people right? and probably bringing it home, passing it to school , from pupil to pupil to the next household and eventually your office right? if everyone followed all of the rules all of the time, the chances of it getting to your office in the first place would be much lower... so yes for the most part people are to blame Are you saying children are also to blame? What about the numerous nurses and drs? What about people moved into care homes with it? All responsible? i think you are hung up on the words fault and blame ... if you swap it out for cause does that sit better with you? if a nurse passes to a patient, the burse is the cause if a child passes to another child, the child is the cause these spreads don’t have to be on purpose or from malice or even carelessness, and many are as I've already said unavoidable and probably bad luck even trying your hardest not to.... but none of it changes the cause and the only way to reduce the numbers is reduce the number of instances where there is the opportunity for the cause which is interaction with a person which has the infection Surely if you take that to tur logical conclusion the only way to reduce the numbers would be to shut down everything including schools? schools are closed?? and still its spreading .... again PEOPLE
we all know its not possible to close absolutely every single place ... we need supermarkets, hospitals, care homes etc etc ... all the government can do is try to balance how much is closed/ restricted against the current numbers... the people have to do the rest "I'm fairly sure the decision to close schools was only made last week. They were open before Christmas no? I agree but that's a different debate..I'm really not sure how essential garden centres are ,if I'm honest. | |||
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"As an aside..the people are too blame argument..does that mean if you catch it..its your fault? not necessarily as its not visible and you could have touched something without realising ... but it was a human at fault and probably not boris johnson some people are careless and it will be their own fajlt but many more are unlucky as there are only so many precautions you can take There just seems more and more of these..well it's the people fault for spreading it' type of arguments. Ive read people saying..well if everyone followed the rules..we wouldnt be in this situation but If you go into work and pick it up..its hardly your fault is it? if you go to work and don’t bother to wash your hands and touch lots of surfaces and then your face and mouth then it probably is your fault if you go to work and follow all the guidelines and get it you are unlucky neither of these detract from the fact that the virus is passed from human to human, it doesn’t fly through walls, its not coming through the air, water or food supplies, our pets are not carrying or spreading it ... so yes nothing but human behaviour can spread it and nothing but human behaviour can stop it (until we are all vaccinated) I work in an office and despite stringent safety procedures..5 people have caught it in the last week If they are making you go into work,its not beyond the realms of possibility you may catch it. and being in that office is the result of human behaviour ... your employer decided you work was not able to be done from home, they’ve asked you to come in, you’ve agreed ... all human behaviour also the safety procedures are either not quite as strong as assumed (because all 5 people must have been touching the same things and then their faces with unwashed hands) or perhaps there is further mutation and there are new ways to spread that the scientists have not yet realised You tend to not have much choice if you want to get paid. i feel like you are detouring from your original point which was how can people keep saying its peoples fault it’s spreading... person 1 gave that virus to person 2,3,4,5 ... whatever reasons they were in the same place and touching the same stuff don’t really matter ... it spreads people to people therefore only people can be the cause ... thats just science yes people have to work and there will be cases that are unavoidable because of that , but there are also many many interactions going on that are not unavoidable ... and thats the behaviour that needs to be reduced, so that when your work colleagues who picked it up partly through bad luck need a hospital bed, we have some still available for them I.agree ..there are people breaking the rules and being irresponsible. But there are also people going to work and catching it,through no fault of their own.( Therefore the argument that..well it's the people to blame..is significantly flawed. And that's without even mentioning schools you know that the rule breakers are people right? and probably bringing it home, passing it to school , from pupil to pupil to the next household and eventually your office right? if everyone followed all of the rules all of the time, the chances of it getting to your office in the first place would be much lower... so yes for the most part people are to blame Are you saying children are also to blame? What about the numerous nurses and drs? What about people moved into care homes with it? All responsible? i think you are hung up on the words fault and blame ... if you swap it out for cause does that sit better with you? if a nurse passes to a patient, the burse is the cause if a child passes to another child, the child is the cause these spreads don’t have to be on purpose or from malice or even carelessness, and many are as I've already said unavoidable and probably bad luck even trying your hardest not to.... but none of it changes the cause and the only way to reduce the numbers is reduce the number of instances where there is the opportunity for the cause which is interaction with a person which has the infection so sending someone who is infected back into a care home is a cause and its no ones fault or blame . Come on that just doesn't wash with me at all. I have, a, daughter, and a neice who work im social care sending someone who is infected back into a care home has the term of being a bed blocker. What is, the cause, of this... A shortage of beds and who is to blame for that... Both this, government and past governments running the NHS down. So someone actually is to blame here for allowimg our NHS to decline. This virus has just highlighted that very problem which governments have continuously ignored " read my earlier posts and you will see that i have already acknowledged that bad policy decisions were made on things such as care homes ... i am not saying there is never someone to blame ... this is a specific post to try clarify my view to lionel who was hung up on the words fault and blame for people just going to work and catching it ... there will always be a cause , that cause will always be human, that doesn’t mean there is always blame to be apportioned (it doesn’t follow i say there is never blame) | |||
"As an aside..the people are too blame argument..does that mean if you catch it..its your fault? not necessarily as its not visible and you could have touched something without realising ... but it was a human at fault and probably not boris johnson some people are careless and it will be their own fajlt but many more are unlucky as there are only so many precautions you can take There just seems more and more of these..well it's the people fault for spreading it' type of arguments. Ive read people saying..well if everyone followed the rules..we wouldnt be in this situation but If you go into work and pick it up..its hardly your fault is it? if you go to work and don’t bother to wash your hands and touch lots of surfaces and then your face and mouth then it probably is your fault if you go to work and follow all the guidelines and get it you are unlucky neither of these detract from the fact that the virus is passed from human to human, it doesn’t fly through walls, its not coming through the air, water or food supplies, our pets are not carrying or spreading it ... so yes nothing but human behaviour can spread it and nothing but human behaviour can stop it (until we are all vaccinated) I work in an office and despite stringent safety procedures..5 people have caught it in the last week If they are making you go into work,its not beyond the realms of possibility you may catch it. and being in that office is the result of human behaviour ... your employer decided you work was not able to be done from home, they’ve asked you to come in, you’ve agreed ... all human behaviour also the safety procedures are either not quite as strong as assumed (because all 5 people must have been touching the same things and then their faces with unwashed hands) or perhaps there is further mutation and there are new ways to spread that the scientists have not yet realised You tend to not have much choice if you want to get paid. i feel like you are detouring from your original point which was how can people keep saying its peoples fault it’s spreading... person 1 gave that virus to person 2,3,4,5 ... whatever reasons they were in the same place and touching the same stuff don’t really matter ... it spreads people to people therefore only people can be the cause ... thats just science yes people have to work and there will be cases that are unavoidable because of that , but there are also many many interactions going on that are not unavoidable ... and thats the behaviour that needs to be reduced, so that when your work colleagues who picked it up partly through bad luck need a hospital bed, we have some still available for them I.agree ..there are people breaking the rules and being irresponsible. But there are also people going to work and catching it,through no fault of their own.( Therefore the argument that..well it's the people to blame..is significantly flawed. And that's without even mentioning schools you know that the rule breakers are people right? and probably bringing it home, passing it to school , from pupil to pupil to the next household and eventually your office right? if everyone followed all of the rules all of the time, the chances of it getting to your office in the first place would be much lower... so yes for the most part people are to blame Are you saying children are also to blame? What about the numerous nurses and drs? What about people moved into care homes with it? All responsible? i think you are hung up on the words fault and blame ... if you swap it out for cause does that sit better with you? if a nurse passes to a patient, the burse is the cause if a child passes to another child, the child is the cause these spreads don’t have to be on purpose or from malice or even carelessness, and many are as I've already said unavoidable and probably bad luck even trying your hardest not to.... but none of it changes the cause and the only way to reduce the numbers is reduce the number of instances where there is the opportunity for the cause which is interaction with a person which has the infection Surely if you take that to tur logical conclusion the only way to reduce the numbers would be to shut down everything including schools? schools are closed?? and still its spreading .... again PEOPLE
we all know its not possible to close absolutely every single place ... we need supermarkets, hospitals, care homes etc etc ... all the government can do is try to balance how much is closed/ restricted against the current numbers... the people have to do the rest
I'm fairly sure the decision to close schools was only made last week.
They were open before Christmas no?
I agree but that's a different debate..I'm really not sure how essential garden centres are ,if I'm honest."schools have been closed since at least 24 december ... your argument is 3 weeks old ... today schools are closed, today cases are still rising ... the CURRENT (caps since it was missed earlier) cause of cases rising is not schools ..., shall we work through the whole list til all we are left with is people? | |||
"The reality is the Nhs has pissed money up the wall year in year out for decades.. Funding was reduced, gradually and over time.. As it was identified it was too expensive.. Become leaner? Nahhh carry on pissing it up against the wall and staff left, its almost work to rule, massive inneficiancies and that all costs, in waste.. Theres a massive brand new "royal" hospital in Liverpool that was built and never opened.. Failed on so many levels and is still sat there idle.. Another PFI scheme they're paying for over 50 years.. It's become a white elephant, with a God complex.. All lives cannot be saved at any cost. When the penny drops we'll return to normal.. Until then, keep clapping on a thursday... Oh yeah, no one is.. Maybe reality is sinking in " The hospital wasnt built The private company went bust Is that the responsibility of the NHS? | |||
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"As an aside..the people are too blame argument..does that mean if you catch it..its your fault? not necessarily as its not visible and you could have touched something without realising ... but it was a human at fault and probably not boris johnson some people are careless and it will be their own fajlt but many more are unlucky as there are only so many precautions you can take There just seems more and more of these..well it's the people fault for spreading it' type of arguments. Ive read people saying..well if everyone followed the rules..we wouldnt be in this situation but If you go into work and pick it up..its hardly your fault is it? if you go to work and don’t bother to wash your hands and touch lots of surfaces and then your face and mouth then it probably is your fault if you go to work and follow all the guidelines and get it you are unlucky neither of these detract from the fact that the virus is passed from human to human, it doesn’t fly through walls, its not coming through the air, water or food supplies, our pets are not carrying or spreading it ... so yes nothing but human behaviour can spread it and nothing but human behaviour can stop it (until we are all vaccinated) I work in an office and despite stringent safety procedures..5 people have caught it in the last week If they are making you go into work,its not beyond the realms of possibility you may catch it. and being in that office is the result of human behaviour ... your employer decided you work was not able to be done from home, they’ve asked you to come in, you’ve agreed ... all human behaviour also the safety procedures are either not quite as strong as assumed (because all 5 people must have been touching the same things and then their faces with unwashed hands) or perhaps there is further mutation and there are new ways to spread that the scientists have not yet realised You tend to not have much choice if you want to get paid. i feel like you are detouring from your original point which was how can people keep saying its peoples fault it’s spreading... person 1 gave that virus to person 2,3,4,5 ... whatever reasons they were in the same place and touching the same stuff don’t really matter ... it spreads people to people therefore only people can be the cause ... thats just science yes people have to work and there will be cases that are unavoidable because of that , but there are also many many interactions going on that are not unavoidable ... and thats the behaviour that needs to be reduced, so that when your work colleagues who picked it up partly through bad luck need a hospital bed, we have some still available for them I.agree ..there are people breaking the rules and being irresponsible. But there are also people going to work and catching it,through no fault of their own.( Therefore the argument that..well it's the people to blame..is significantly flawed. And that's without even mentioning schools you know that the rule breakers are people right? and probably bringing it home, passing it to school , from pupil to pupil to the next household and eventually your office right? if everyone followed all of the rules all of the time, the chances of it getting to your office in the first place would be much lower... so yes for the most part people are to blame Are you saying children are also to blame? What about the numerous nurses and drs? What about people moved into care homes with it? All responsible? i think you are hung up on the words fault and blame ... if you swap it out for cause does that sit better with you? if a nurse passes to a patient, the burse is the cause if a child passes to another child, the child is the cause these spreads don’t have to be on purpose or from malice or even carelessness, and many are as I've already said unavoidable and probably bad luck even trying your hardest not to.... but none of it changes the cause and the only way to reduce the numbers is reduce the number of instances where there is the opportunity for the cause which is interaction with a person which has the infection Surely if you take that to tur logical conclusion the only way to reduce the numbers would be to shut down everything including schools? schools are closed?? and still its spreading .... again PEOPLE
we all know its not possible to close absolutely every single place ... we need supermarkets, hospitals, care homes etc etc ... all the government can do is try to balance how much is closed/ restricted against the current numbers... the people have to do the rest
I'm fairly sure the decision to close schools was only made last week.
They were open before Christmas no?
I agree but that's a different debate..I'm really not sure how essential garden centres are ,if I'm honest.
schools have been closed since at least 24 december ... your argument is 3 weeks old ... today schools are closed, today cases are still rising ... the CURRENT (caps since it was missed earlier) cause of cases rising is not schools ..., shall we work through the whole list til all we are left with is people? "They are saying the cases are rising now because of Christmas | |||
"so easy to blame but what would of labour done if in the same shoes .. im a labour voter up til blair hate the tories but i honestly dont think there wold have been too much difference.. Keir Starmer is just as corbyn was a waste of space all he seems to want to do is copy boris with his adress to the nations and as with much of labour there no stubstance ...we need a strong labour leader who is not going to knock someone unless theres a credible plan ... shame caroline lucas is green party as she would have put a spine in the labour party " Labour are not in power Its completely irrelevant But no..I dont think it would have been handled this badly ,but it's a pointless argument. | |||
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"We had cases in our home and deaths in December due to this virus. We went into full lockdown (no new admissions) and the cases cleared. Opened back up to receive patients from hospitals and our cases have soared again... So yes the government are to blame for screwing the NHS and now they have the audacity to say "protect the NHS"" And you think that they did that on purpose??????? At the time, they did not even know who had the virus or indeed how it as spreading!!!!! | |||
"still stand by what i say ..nobody would have got this right no matter who.. completely irrelevant to you maybe but not to others we are allowed to have opinions just because you spend all day and all night in this section dont mean we cant post what we want to say its not your forum its ours ???" 100% with you!!!! | |||
"still stand by what i say ..nobody would have got this right no matter who.. completely irrelevant to you maybe but not to others we are allowed to have opinions just because you spend all day and all night in this section dont mean we cant post what we want to say its not your forum its ours ???"
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"As an aside..the people are too blame argument..does that mean if you catch it..its your fault? not necessarily as its not visible and you could have touched something without realising ... but it was a human at fault and probably not boris johnson some people are careless and it will be their own fajlt but many more are unlucky as there are only so many precautions you can take There just seems more and more of these..well it's the people fault for spreading it' type of arguments. Ive read people saying..well if everyone followed the rules..we wouldnt be in this situation but If you go into work and pick it up..its hardly your fault is it? if you go to work and don’t bother to wash your hands and touch lots of surfaces and then your face and mouth then it probably is your fault if you go to work and follow all the guidelines and get it you are unlucky neither of these detract from the fact that the virus is passed from human to human, it doesn’t fly through walls, its not coming through the air, water or food supplies, our pets are not carrying or spreading it ... so yes nothing but human behaviour can spread it and nothing but human behaviour can stop it (until we are all vaccinated) I work in an office and despite stringent safety procedures..5 people have caught it in the last week If they are making you go into work,its not beyond the realms of possibility you may catch it. and being in that office is the result of human behaviour ... your employer decided you work was not able to be done from home, they’ve asked you to come in, you’ve agreed ... all human behaviour also the safety procedures are either not quite as strong as assumed (because all 5 people must have been touching the same things and then their faces with unwashed hands) or perhaps there is further mutation and there are new ways to spread that the scientists have not yet realised You tend to not have much choice if you want to get paid. i feel like you are detouring from your original point which was how can people keep saying its peoples fault it’s spreading... person 1 gave that virus to person 2,3,4,5 ... whatever reasons they were in the same place and touching the same stuff don’t really matter ... it spreads people to people therefore only people can be the cause ... thats just science yes people have to work and there will be cases that are unavoidable because of that , but there are also many many interactions going on that are not unavoidable ... and thats the behaviour that needs to be reduced, so that when your work colleagues who picked it up partly through bad luck need a hospital bed, we have some still available for them I.agree ..there are people breaking the rules and being irresponsible. But there are also people going to work and catching it,through no fault of their own.( Therefore the argument that..well it's the people to blame..is significantly flawed. And that's without even mentioning schools you know that the rule breakers are people right? and probably bringing it home, passing it to school , from pupil to pupil to the next household and eventually your office right? if everyone followed all of the rules all of the time, the chances of it getting to your office in the first place would be much lower... so yes for the most part people are to blame Are you saying children are also to blame? What about the numerous nurses and drs? What about people moved into care homes with it? All responsible? i think you are hung up on the words fault and blame ... if you swap it out for cause does that sit better with you? if a nurse passes to a patient, the burse is the cause if a child passes to another child, the child is the cause these spreads don’t have to be on purpose or from malice or even carelessness, and many are as I've already said unavoidable and probably bad luck even trying your hardest not to.... but none of it changes the cause and the only way to reduce the numbers is reduce the number of instances where there is the opportunity for the cause which is interaction with a person which has the infection Surely if you take that to tur logical conclusion the only way to reduce the numbers would be to shut down everything including schools? schools are closed?? and still its spreading .... again PEOPLE
we all know its not possible to close absolutely every single place ... we need supermarkets, hospitals, care homes etc etc ... all the government can do is try to balance how much is closed/ restricted against the current numbers... the people have to do the rest
I'm fairly sure the decision to close schools was only made last week.
They were open before Christmas no?
I agree but that's a different debate..I'm really not sure how essential garden centres are ,if I'm honest.
schools have been closed since at least 24 december ... your argument is 3 weeks old ... today schools are closed, today cases are still rising ... the CURRENT (caps since it was missed earlier) cause of cases rising is not schools ..., shall we work through the whole list til all we are left with is people?
They are saying the cases are rising now because of Christmas "well if people only mixed christmas day then today is the last day they can use that excuse ... because the 10 day incubation period would gake you to 4th january and then tests should be done within 5 days so that weekend there with results today is should b the last of if then we are back again to just people (although pretty sure christmas is still people visiting people) | |||
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" What kind of caviar? Was it balouga? I like balouga caviar mmmmmm Baluga * Beluga even " Third time lucky! | |||
"so easy to blame but what would of labour done if in the same shoes .. im a labour voter up til blair hate the tories but i honestly dont think there wold have been too much difference.. Keir Starmer is just as corbyn was a waste of space all he seems to want to do is copy boris with his adress to the nations and as with much of labour there no stubstance ...we need a strong labour leader who is not going to knock someone unless theres a credible plan ... shame caroline lucas is green party as she would have put a spine in the labour party Labour are not in power Its completely irrelevant But no..I dont think it would have been handled this badly ,but it's a pointless argument. " Labour are in Power in Wales and they have the 2nd worst record in the World!!!! Be careful what you wish for!!!!!! | |||
"We had cases in our home and deaths in December due to this virus. We went into full lockdown (no new admissions) and the cases cleared. Opened back up to receive patients from hospitals and our cases have soared again... So yes the government are to blame for screwing the NHS and now they have the audacity to say "protect the NHS" And you think that they did that on purpose??????? At the time, they did not even know who had the virus or indeed how it as spreading!!!!! " I meant they have been screwing the NHS for years, not just this past year. | |||
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" What kind of caviar? Was it balouga? I like balouga caviar mmmmmm Baluga * Beluga even Third time lucky!" Fuck me did I get it wrong again, I'm useless  | |||
"If they hadn’t said people could meet on Christmas Day people would have done so anyway. There are calls for restrictions to be tightened now but people aren’t following the guidelines that we have got now so would tightening them make any difference? The reason we are where we are now is mainly because of a minority selfish idiots. So far we have vaccinated more people in the UK than the EU put together, with over 200,000 vaccinated every day since the Astra Zeneca vaccine was introduced. So we have a decent chance of meeting the target to vaccinate the four prioritiy groups by mid February. In the meantime if we all do our bit hopefully infection numbers will fall." We got the vaccine weeks before the eu But hopefully we will.meet that target. | |||
"If they hadn’t said people could meet on Christmas Day people would have done so anyway. There are calls for restrictions to be tightened now but people aren’t following the guidelines that we have got now so would tightening them make any difference? The reason we are where we are now is mainly because of a minority selfish idiots. So far we have vaccinated more people in the UK than the EU put together, with over 200,000 vaccinated every day since the Astra Zeneca vaccine was introduced. So we have a decent chance of meeting the target to vaccinate the four prioritiy groups by mid February. In the meantime if we all do our bit hopefully infection numbers will fall. We got the vaccine weeks before the eu But hopefully we will.meet that target. " Yes we did. Excellent work for once. | |||
"2½ weeks shy of a full year and still the government haven't got a handle on the situation They knew about this in Nov 19" Didn't US Senators have closed doors briefing on the pandemic, 24th January with infectious disease expert Dr Fauci? | |||
"2½ weeks shy of a full year and still the government haven't got a handle on the situation They knew about this in Nov 19 Didn't US Senators have closed doors briefing on the pandemic, 24th January with infectious disease expert Dr Fauci?" Yeah but Donald ignoted it! | |||
"As an aside..the people are too blame argument..does that mean if you catch it..its your fault? Well according to a previous thread, one member said they're stupid if they get it citing Boris, trump and Macron Well some on.here are saying its peoples fault for spreading it" I'm not disputing that but he said people were stupid for CATCHING it. | |||
"Perhaps people should take responsibility for themselves instead of blaming the government it’s just typical of today’s society who’s attitude is fuck every one I’ll do as i please for example the idiots who swamped chop well woods to play in the snow fucking tossers yes the government could of performed a little better but it’s a complete unknown situation that boris and co found themselves in as I said people need to take a bit of responsibility for them selves "Doing more than 1 thing is possible. The governments responsibility is very definite and different to that of citizens. Some people will pay heavily for snake oil | |||
"2½ weeks shy of a full year and still the government haven't got a handle on the situation They knew about this in Nov 19 I think the 1st case of a uk citizen was around then..he was in China I think. first confirmed case was back on 29th January last year and yet Johnson continued to holiday and attend lavish banquets where he was reported to have gorged himself on lobster & caviar whilst quaffing champagne. A new coronavirus disease (COVID-19) causing respiratory symptoms was first identified in December 2019 in China. The World Health Organization declared the outbreak of COVID-19 a pandemic on the 11 March 2020, this means COVID-19 has spread worldwide. If you know what you're saying is untrue then you're simply putting it lying WHO's final report on their trip to Wuhan is dated 16-24 feb 2020 The scientists issued a report warning that the virus is “spreading with astonishing speed” and called for governments to “immediately activate the highest level of national response,” including immediate and extensive testing and planning for closing schools and workplaces. Note I said final report. In Febuary Boris was taking his second holiday of the year and trying to secure a quickie divorce before the baby was born. A month after this report was issued large crowds were still allowed gather in the uk. who-china-joint-mission-on-covid-19-final-report.pdf Ah, so the report is wrong and lying then? First a A pandemic is the worldwide spread of a new disease. Thats all. WHO first issued a checklist in early January on pandemic preparedness. China only granted them access to Wuhan on Jan 20 On Jan 23 Jan. 23 it warned of a 4 percent death rate, human-to-human transmission and potential exporting of the virus to “any country.” " A new coronavirus disease (COVID-19) causing respiratory symptoms was first identified in December 2019 in China. The World Health Organization declared the outbreak of COVID-19 a pandemic on the 11 March 2020, this means COVID-19 has spread worldwide. | |||
"They wasted money on the Nightingale hospitals...why do all that then turn around and say they don't have the staff!! I am totally disillusioned by this government. Its the biggest balls up in history.all I have to say is who exactly gave the green light to send infected patients back into the care homes I'm March and April resulting in over 20000 deaths there ,. Somebody somewhere, needs to pay for this. It was criminal You dont have to tell me.... I work in the sector. They are still sending positive patients into homes." So why are they accepting positive patients | |||
"Now bleating on about the numbers from Christmas... They were the f*****g idiots who allowed this to happen.. No body forced anyone to go to others house's. Everyone's been provided with the same information. Exactly no-one was forced but they were told it was ok to do so How many threads complaining about the government do you think there would have been if the government had banned all visiting for Christmas? How many extra people suffering mental health problems? Suicide rates are always higher over the holiday period and may have increased even more, then been blamed on the PM. The decision was probably very hard to make, but damage limitation must have been a factor." Well said | |||
"They wasted money on the Nightingale hospitals...why do all that then turn around and say they don't have the staff!! I am totally disillusioned by this government. Its the biggest balls up in history.all I have to say is who exactly gave the green light to send infected patients back into the care homes I'm March and April resulting in over 20000 deaths there ,. Somebody somewhere, needs to pay for this. It was criminal You dont have to tell me.... I work in the sector. They are still sending positive patients into homes. So why are they accepting positive patients " Because the hospitals need to make room and they have to go somewhere... | |||
"Ultimately, the way the British government have handled the whole pandemic has been extremely disappointing. I see my Aussie and Kiwi friends living normal lives and even going to music festivals, I can’t help but think that could have been us had we locked down sooner Population per square mile New Zealand. 9 Australia. 25 United Kingdom. 725" Thank you.. Hardly comparable | |||
"As an aside..the people are too blame argument..does that mean if you catch it..its your fault? not necessarily as its not visible and you could have touched something without realising ... but it was a human at fault and probably not boris johnson some people are careless and it will be their own fajlt but many more are unlucky as there are only so many precautions you can take There just seems more and more of these..well it's the people fault for spreading it' type of arguments. Ive read people saying..well if everyone followed the rules..we wouldnt be in this situation but If you go into work and pick it up..its hardly your fault is it? if you go to work and don’t bother to wash your hands and touch lots of surfaces and then your face and mouth then it probably is your fault if you go to work and follow all the guidelines and get it you are unlucky neither of these detract from the fact that the virus is passed from human to human, it doesn’t fly through walls, its not coming through the air, water or food supplies, our pets are not carrying or spreading it ... so yes nothing but human behaviour can spread it and nothing but human behaviour can stop it (until we are all vaccinated)" Ah so it's either your own fault or you're unlucky. Let's have that as a nationwide poster | |||
"Now bleating on about the numbers from Christmas... They were the f*****g idiots who allowed this to happen.. The government have been setting rules since day one. The British public have protested about every step, gathered in groups, not worn masks, come out with god knows how many conspiracy theories and generally took no notice and you blame the government. The gmnt have done that many u turns we have lost count The majority of people have followed the rules." Is it possible that they've been following scientific advice and it's them that change it | |||
"Now bleating on about the numbers from Christmas... They were the f*****g idiots who allowed this to happen.. The government have been setting rules since day one. The British public have protested about every step, gathered in groups, not worn masks, come out with god knows how many conspiracy theories and generally took no notice and you blame the government. From day one...... hardly It took them about 3 months to decide that wearing masks was a good idea." And they work? | |||
"You dont have to tell me.... I work in the sector. They are still sending positive patients into homes. So why are they accepting positive patients " they are not in my area anybody coming in from hospital or eleswhere is tested first if negative we still quarantine for 10 days we've done this right from the beginning no test no incoming ... | |||
"You dont have to tell me.... I work in the sector. They are still sending positive patients into homes. So why are they accepting positive patients they are not in my area anybody coming in from hospital or eleswhere is tested first if negative we still quarantine for 10 days we've done this right from the beginning no test no incoming ... " Not rocket science is it? | |||
"2½ weeks shy of a full year and still the government haven't got a handle on the situation They knew about this in Nov 19 Didn't US Senators have closed doors briefing on the pandemic, 24th January with infectious disease expert Dr Fauci? Yeah but Donald ignoted it!" Those Senators came out of that Covid Intel briefing saying all was well! Senators, Richard Burr, Kelly Loeffler, Dianne Feinstein, Jim Inhofe then dumped massive blocks of stocks in the days following before the pandemic caused volatility in the Stock Markets.  | |||
