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By *ove2pleaseseuk OP Man over a year ago

Hastings

And if so what time would you think would be exceptable.

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By *ackandtheunicornCouple over a year ago

liverpool

Who's even out at night? I admit I havent been out after 5pm for a looooong time. But can't think of any reason to go out at night. Perhaps I'm just a boring bastard haha

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By *edangel_2013Woman over a year ago

southend

I don't really understand what difference a curfew would make. Nothing is open anyway, except Tesco and surely it's better to go there at 8pm when no one else is there, then at lunch time the same as everyone else.

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By *amschwingerzCouple over a year ago

West

Yes 100%

And the government should stop using the words 'should', 'urge', 'advise', 'appeal' and replace them with 'Can't', 'not allowed', 'banned from', etc etc

Stop siting on the fence to scared upset people...

not...'you shouldnt mix with another household'.....'you are BANNED from mixing with other households!!!'

They should know people in this country will take the piss and soon as they are given enough leeway to do so...that was proven and soon as the pubs and beaches opened...

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By *ensualtouch15Man over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"Yes 100%

And the government should stop using the words 'should', 'urge', 'advise', 'appeal' and replace them with 'Can't', 'not allowed', 'banned from', etc etc

Stop siting on the fence to scared upset people...

not...'you shouldnt mix with another household'.....'you are BANNED from mixing with other households!!!'

They should know people in this country will take the piss and soon as they are given enough leeway to do so...that was proven and soon as the pubs and beaches opened..."

Apart from bubbles and looking after vulnerable

I assume you realise permitting this means death

And not permitting this means death

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I don't really understand what difference a curfew would make. Nothing is open anyway, except Tesco and surely it's better to go there at 8pm when no one else is there, then at lunch time the same as everyone else."

i tend to agree with this , park was mobbed at 4 today but by 5 and it getting dark there was barely soul, all the cars gone from the car park etc ... might be more effective once light nights come in but if it being dark and cold and a lockdown doesn’t stop people already i don’t think a curfew will either

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By *adetMan over a year ago

South of Ipswich

I'm all for people not mixing but it scares me a bit that people are asking for more of their freedoms to be removed. No, I don't think a curfew would make any difference

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm all for people not mixing but it scares me a bit that people are asking for more of their freedoms to be removed. No, I don't think a curfew would make any difference "

i dont think people want to or enjoy giving up their freedoms, i think they just want to find a way of making the less inclined folk take it a bit more seriously

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By *ackandtheunicornCouple over a year ago

liverpool

"I'm all for people not mixing but it scares me a bit that people are asking for more of their freedoms to be removed. No, I don't think a curfew would make any difference

i dont think people want to or enjoy giving up their freedoms, i think they just want to find a way of making the less inclined folk take it a bit more seriously "

But realistically who is out at night?

Just seems very knee jerk to me.

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By *ylonSlutTV/TS over a year ago

Durham

If people followed the rules already in place we wouldn't have this problem. I think more enforcement of the current rules is what is needed not more rules. The most problematic people don't follow the rules anyway no matter what they are.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Erm... we aren't meant to be going anywhere so how exactly would a curfew add to that!??

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By *oldsteadyMan over a year ago

glasgow

It would be counter productive.

I shop for essentials in the evening when the shops are quieter.

I exercise alone in the evening when the streets are quieter.

I'm sure I'm not the only one.

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By *mmixtapeCouple over a year ago

middle earth

100% not! All of our usual walks have been so busy with visitors for the snow, so we've been walking later than usual. There's been enough police around bothering us, I wouldn't want an evening restriction.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm all for people not mixing but it scares me a bit that people are asking for more of their freedoms to be removed. No, I don't think a curfew would make any difference

i dont think people want to or enjoy giving up their freedoms, i think they just want to find a way of making the less inclined folk take it a bit more seriously

But realistically who is out at night?

Just seems very knee jerk to me."

my earlier reply already says i dont think we should put one in place , certainly no point during winter months and dark nights

the people that are “out” at night are people round each others houses ... if the current rules dont stop them neither will a curfew so it achieves nothing

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If people followed the rules already in place we wouldn't have this problem. I think more enforcement of the current rules is what is needed not more rules. The most problematic people don't follow the rules anyway no matter what they are."

problem is the existing rules have been written so widely they are almost unenforceable (just look at the threads on the 2 girls and debate on what local means)

to tighten the rules would make them nonsensical (in that example either too small a distance that people in more rural areas cant even get to the shops or to large an area to make it worth having a rule at all)

the types of behaviour we need people to follow are just impractical to legislate and therefore impossible to enforce... no idea how we go about trying to get people to comply out of a sense of duty to their fellows citizens but thats what we need now

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

I'm a problematic person. I follow the rules

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman over a year ago

On a mooch

"It would be counter productive.

I shop for essentials in the evening when the shops are quieter.

I exercise alone in the evening when the streets are quieter.

I'm sure I'm not the only one."

You aren’t

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Should be a 24 hour curfew. Well it's supposed to be but people doing what they want

Its all wrong. The figures will never go down xx

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We definitely need a curfew, at 12pm for the rest of 2021

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

in all fairness today when i noticed the park go empty at sunset was the first time i had realised part of the reason the streets seem much busier this lockdown compared with march is because people have half as many hours to cram in their outside time

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

made me wonder what else i haven’t fully appreciated because i haven’t seen or experienced it

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By *ucka39Man over a year ago

Newcastle

Would this curfew be for responsible adults or focused on children who are meeting friends in groups when it isn't necessary to be out at all because as I remember the government said only leaving the home if it is for a valid reason

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By *ensualpleasures69Man over a year ago

leeds

"Yes 100%

And the government should stop using the words 'should', 'urge', 'advise', 'appeal' and replace them with 'Can't', 'not allowed', 'banned from', etc etc

Stop siting on the fence to scared upset people...

not...'you shouldnt mix with another household'.....'you are BANNED from mixing with other households!!!'

They should know people in this country will take the piss and soon as they are given enough leeway to do so...that was proven and soon as the pubs and beaches opened..."

And Boris.....grow some balls!!! NOW

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Maybe someone can tell me how anyone is going to take notice of a moron called Boris who orders shoe shops closed so I can't buy boots to go to work in construction that he wants to stay open.....

Yet he let's garden centres stay open so buying a plant is essential!!! Couldn't make this up!! He needs to resign now!

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By *mmabluTV/TS over a year ago

upton wirral

Yes from 8.00pm to say 5.00am.

Stop teenagers having little parties and get togethers

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

"Maybe someone can tell me how anyone is going to take notice of a moron called Boris who orders shoe shops closed so I can't buy boots to go to work in construction that he wants to stay open.....

Yet he let's garden centres stay open so buying a plant is essential!!! Couldn't make this up!! He needs to resign now! "

You can buy boots online. If they're compulsory PPE for the workplace, your employer should provide them. I worked in a brewery a long time ago now and you'd be taken to a cupboard full of boots, Hi-viz etc and issued with your kit.

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By *mmabluTV/TS over a year ago

upton wirral

"Maybe someone can tell me how anyone is going to take notice of a moron called Boris who orders shoe shops closed so I can't buy boots to go to work in construction that he wants to stay open.....

Yet he let's garden centres stay open so buying a plant is essential!!! Couldn't make this up!! He needs to resign now! "
Buy online simple just an excuse to knock Boris pathetic

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Maybe someone can tell me how anyone is going to take notice of a moron called Boris who orders shoe shops closed so I can't buy boots to go to work in construction that he wants to stay open.....

Yet he let's garden centres stay open so buying a plant is essential!!! Couldn't make this up!! He needs to resign now! "

I'm sure you'd do a much better job... not able to buy boots online though doesn't inspire confidence in your abilities though.

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By *moothman2000Man over a year ago

Leicestershire

"Maybe someone can tell me how anyone is going to take notice of a moron called Boris who orders shoe shops closed so I can't buy boots to go to work in construction that he wants to stay open.....

Yet he let's garden centres stay open so buying a plant is essential!!! Couldn't make this up!! He needs to resign now! "

...and yet here you are using the Internet...

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By *ucka39Man over a year ago

Newcastle

"Maybe someone can tell me how anyone is going to take notice of a moron called Boris who orders shoe shops closed so I can't buy boots to go to work in construction that he wants to stay open.....

Yet he let's garden centres stay open so buying a plant is essential!!! Couldn't make this up!! He needs to resign now! "
things like garden centre were kept open so it could keep people active rather than having to go insane within their homes but also businesses who need supplies who don't have full contact with each other could continue plus garden centre aren't small so would be able to have more than just 2 meters restrictions

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And if so what time would you think would be exceptable."

If I walk im home by 4 so im cool with anytime after. In fact why bother getting up lets all just stay in bed and wait it out lol

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By *ty31Man over a year ago

NW London

"Maybe someone can tell me how anyone is going to take notice of a moron called Boris who orders shoe shops closed so I can't buy boots to go to work in construction that he wants to stay open.....

Yet he let's garden centres stay open so buying a plant is essential!!! Couldn't make this up!! He needs to resign now! "

Screwfix and Toolstarion are open, that's where I buy mine from.

Wickes and B&Q too.

Although, I suspect Boris and Rishi want to keep construction open as it would be far too expensive an industry to close down. I also suspect that when drawing up the furlough scheme last year they vastly underestimated the number of people on PAYE/CIS schemes.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

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By *sGivesWoodWoman over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

"I'm all for people not mixing but it scares me a bit that people are asking for more of their freedoms to be removed. No, I don't think a curfew would make any difference "

There's an article in the mirror online stating that pubs etc may not reopen until May Bank Holiday. Also talks about banning all support bubbles, curfews amongst other things. Soon the only places we will be allowed to go to are supermarkets. There will be no small businesses/shops or hospitality industry left.

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By *ethnmelvCouple over a year ago

Cardiff

How about:

1. You cannot drive anywhere for excercise

2. You can only travel 5 miles from your home, except for medical or work reasons

3. Do not mix with any other households, other than 1 support bubble

Don’t think it needs anything else really. It is time people stopped taking the piss.

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By *ove2pleaseseuk OP Man over a year ago

Hastings

"How about:

1. You cannot drive anywhere for excercise

2. You can only travel 5 miles from your home, except for medical or work reasons

3. Do not mix with any other households, other than 1 support bubble

Don’t think it needs anything else really. It is time people stopped taking the piss."

So for some if the supermarket is more then 5 miles

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By *ob198XaMan over a year ago

teleford

"How about:

1. You cannot drive anywhere for excercise

2. You can only travel 5 miles from your home, except for medical or work reasons

3. Do not mix with any other households, other than 1 support bubble

Don’t think it needs anything else really. It is time people stopped taking the piss."

I don’t have a supermarket within 5 miles but apart from that..

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By *sGivesWoodWoman over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

"How about:

1. You cannot drive anywhere for excercise

2. You can only travel 5 miles from your home, except for medical or work reasons

3. Do not mix with any other households, other than 1 support bubble

Don’t think it needs anything else really. It is time people stopped taking the piss.

So for some if the supermarket is more then 5 miles"

Yup, and most of us can't afford to shop locally for a main shop. There's also the issue of choice as to what they have in stock.

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"How about:

1. You cannot drive anywhere for excercise

2. You can only travel 5 miles from your home, except for medical or work reasons

3. Do not mix with any other households, other than 1 support bubble

Don’t think it needs anything else really. It is time people stopped taking the piss."

Re 3 that won't work with carers. They typically go in to five or more homes a day.

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By *ob198XaMan over a year ago

teleford

"How about:

1. You cannot drive anywhere for excercise

2. You can only travel 5 miles from your home, except for medical or work reasons

3. Do not mix with any other households, other than 1 support bubble

Don’t think it needs anything else really. It is time people stopped taking the piss.

So for some if the supermarket is more then 5 miles

Yup, and most of us can't afford to shop locally for a main shop. There's also the issue of choice as to what they have in stock. "

And some of us don’t wish to go to certain local shops which have been Covid careless to the point of negligent...

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By *apiomanMan over a year ago

Shipley

No, as the evidence is that it is in effective. Let’s only curb our rights if it is likely to save lives not as a ‘We must do something’ reaction.

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By *lex46TV/TS over a year ago

Near Wells

"We definitely need a curfew, at 12pm for the rest of 2021

That would be a very long curfew. 12pm until what time and where would I get my lunch?

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By *aria_dreamgirlTV/TS over a year ago

stockport

Stupid idea as people work night shifts

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"How about:

1. You cannot drive anywhere for excercise

2. You can only travel 5 miles from your home, except for medical or work reasons

3. Do not mix with any other households, other than 1 support bubble

Don’t think it needs anything else really. It is time people stopped taking the piss.

Re 3 that won't work with carers. They typically go in to five or more homes a day. "

do they not mean socially rather than in a work environment?

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By *estivalMan over a year ago

borehamwood

you meen a curfew during the day or a curfew at night when the streets are empty anyway.dunno what its like elsewhere but round here after the sun sets there aint a soul to be seen.as someone above says i prefer to go to the supermarket around 7 30 - 8 00 in the evening because its like a ghost town then straight in 15 mins to get my shopping and no waiting fir a till an as i dot get in from work till six it works out great

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By *ove2pleaseseuk OP Man over a year ago

Hastings

"How about:

1. You cannot drive anywhere for excercise

2. You can only travel 5 miles from your home, except for medical or work reasons

3. Do not mix with any other households, other than 1 support bubble

Don’t think it needs anything else really. It is time people stopped taking the piss.

Re 3 that won't work with carers. They typically go in to five or more homes a day.

do they not mean socially rather than in a work environment? "

And would guess carers waer PPE Mac wash hands etc

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If the Government told half this country to hide indoors forever they wouldn’t bat an eyelid. I value my freedom and had a life before my liberty was taken. All this for a virus that it deadly to only 0.03% of the population. The elderly and the vulnerable should shield until vaccination and the bed wetters among us can hide in a darkened room forever. More restrictions will have an adverse effect and have healthy young people ignoring advice or worse rising up against draconian rules.

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By *ethnmelvCouple over a year ago

Cardiff

"How about:

1. You cannot drive anywhere for excercise

2. You can only travel 5 miles from your home, except for medical or work reasons

3. Do not mix with any other households, other than 1 support bubble

Don’t think it needs anything else really. It is time people stopped taking the piss.

Re 3 that won't work with carers. They typically go in to five or more homes a day. "

Carers would sit under medical or work on that basis surely?

We had these rules in Wales and they broadly made sense. You essentially have a circle of 78 sq miles, unless you are on the coast. Of course it means choice is limited, but it is supposed to be.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

"If the Government told half this country to hide indoors forever they wouldn’t bat an eyelid. I value my freedom and had a life before my liberty was taken. All this for a virus that it deadly to only 0.03% of the population. The elderly and the vulnerable should shield until vaccination and the bed wetters among us can hide in a darkened room forever. More restrictions will have an adverse effect and have healthy young people ignoring advice or worse rising up against draconian rules."

Bed wetters? Really?

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By *ickthelick2001Man over a year ago

nottingham

"And if so what time would you think would be exceptable."

100% NO If people want to spend their lives living fear, that's fine by me, I respect that, But I and millions of don't want to give up our freedom for your fear.

A curfew is just another form of control, just like muzzles and social isolation.

If Lockdowns didn't work,why are we having another one ?if lockdowns worked then why are we having another one ?

and to all you people moaning about cases going up, stop getting tested ? and if your masks are working, why are the cases going up ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Stupid idea as people work night shifts"

Working is one thing been out for no reason is another

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

"And if so what time would you think would be exceptable.

100% NO If people want to spend their lives living fear, that's fine by me, I respect that, But I and millions of don't want to give up our freedom for your fear.

A curfew is just another form of control, just like muzzles and social isolation.

If Lockdowns didn't work,why are we having another one ?if lockdowns worked then why are we having another one ?

and to all you people moaning about cases going up, stop getting tested ? and if your masks are working, why are the cases going up ?"

Stop getting tested and cases will go away?! Hilarious. Close your eyes and you're on the beach in Barbados.......

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By *ad NannaWoman over a year ago

East London

"And if so what time would you think would be exceptable.

100% NO If people want to spend their lives living fear, that's fine by me, I respect that, But I and millions of don't want to give up our freedom for your fear.

A curfew is just another form of control, just like muzzles and social isolation.

If Lockdowns didn't work,why are we having another one ?if lockdowns worked then why are we having another one ?

and to all you people moaning about cases going up, stop getting tested ? and if your masks are working, why are the cases going up ?"

To ease the burden on ITU wards, nothing more.

If we didn't have lockdown, or some kind of system to keep people from coughing, touching or spreading the virus to other people there wouldn't have been enough staff or equipment to keep everyone alive.

Would you like to be waiting in an ambulance praying for some poor soul to die so you could have their place in ITU?

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By *ucka39Man over a year ago

Newcastle

"And if so what time would you think would be exceptable.

100% NO If people want to spend their lives living fear, that's fine by me, I respect that, But I and millions of don't want to give up our freedom for your fear.

A curfew is just another form of control, just like muzzles and social isolation.

If Lockdowns didn't work,why are we having another one ?if lockdowns worked then why are we having another one ?

and to all you people moaning about cases going up, stop getting tested ? and if your masks are working, why are the cases going up ?"

Lockdown had control of the virus until Boris decided to open the lockdown and spread the virus anything that has a closed environment like pubs restaurants cross contamination and things like colleges people traveling far and wide yet Boris told everyone else not to travel this created the college's to be contaminated with the virus so when you calculate number of students who traveled then add how they traveled to get too their location of college rather than keeping people in their own towns or city's unless it's necessary work related which Boris says if you are able to work from home do so if not then go to work Boris was spreading the virus by his actions and the labour MP stated this or something familiar

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

I'm against the curfew idea because it would create a false sense of security, that all of the bad things would have happened at night, after a specific time. It would increase pressure and stress on key workers, who would then be isolated and feeling they had to justify themselves more.

Just stick with clear communication and rebuild the trust of the population. If a key worker on shifts wants to travel to see the person in their support bubble at X PM, they deserve to do so in their time off. In fact people deserve to have a small amount of freedom and to be able to leave their home at a convenient time for them.

We have failed if people want to break rules and risk the safety of others. If they want to break rules, you have to gain their support. A curfew would be a comfort blanket for some, in a pretence that everything is all right

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By *ickthelick2001Man over a year ago

nottingham

All the itu's are quieter than last year, every year around the middle of flu season. or about now as it happens, the hospitals are over stretched, mainly due to the lack of beds, and the increase in population, 100,000 beds lost since 2000 and a population increase of 10,000,000. then this flu season, you have to factor in the NHS staff that have been forced to isolate etc, one day before christmas i heard a figure of 76,000 had called in sick.

if you google "nhs urgent and emergency care daily situation reports" you will find all bed occupancy for acute care and general and acute beds for every hospital trust in England, then you can check the numbers for yourself

have you ever wondered how many people you have killed by passing on the flu ? no ? me neither

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By *ickthelick2001Man over a year ago

nottingham

Half the elite went to Barbados at Christmas after locking us down. even big mouth piers Morgan got caught in Antigua, that's the contempt they have for us.

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By *ercuryMan over a year ago

Grantham

Exercise should start and end at home. No driving to go for a walk.

Curfew 10pm to 5am, except for work and support purposes. All retail to be closed between those hours.

That makes it easier for the police to check anyone out on the roads.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And if so what time would you think would be exceptable.

100% NO If people want to spend their lives living fear, that's fine by me, I respect that, But I and millions of don't want to give up our freedom for your fear.

A curfew is just another form of control, just like muzzles and social isolation.

If Lockdowns didn't work,why are we having another one ?if lockdowns worked then why are we having another one ?

and to all you people moaning about cases going up, stop getting tested ? and if your masks are working, why are the cases going up ?"

and that’s why we are in this situation, because of people like you, who simply don’t care

Masks aren’t working because people don’t wear them, soon as you go out in a crowded space none has it on... and loads still don’t wear it like indoors anyway or wear it incorrectly.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman over a year ago

ashford

Good god no!! X

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By *moothman2000Man over a year ago

Leicestershire

There won't be an uprising despite the wet dreams a tiny minority of people are having about it.

The last demo I saw reported had 'dozens' of protestors, not hundreds or thousands, and members of the public were jeering and taking the piss out of them for being weirdos.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman over a year ago

ashford

"Stupid idea as people work night shifts

Working is one thing been out for no reason is another"

I sure dont want to b stopped on my way to work on my bycicle every morning at 3 15!! Makes me edgy I got stopped few weeks back as they were looking for a missing woman I felt very vulnerable being pulled over flashing light by 2 big policemen tbh! X

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By *moothman2000Man over a year ago

Leicestershire

"And if so what time would you think would be exceptable.

100% NO If people want to spend their lives living fear, that's fine by me, I respect that, But I and millions of don't want to give up our freedom for your fear.

Millions?

Last heroic fight against tyranny I saw consisted of a few dozen people.

Stupidity isn't bravery, it's stupidity.

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By *xtrafun4youMan over a year ago

Dunstable

On my estate there's not enough police to attend a crime. Let alone a curfew. #useless police force.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"All the itu's are quieter than last year, every year around the middle of flu season. or about now as it happens, the hospitals are over stretched, mainly due to the lack of beds, and the increase in population, 100,000 beds lost since 2000 and a population increase of 10,000,000. then this flu season, you have to factor in the NHS staff that have been forced to isolate etc, one day before christmas i heard a figure of 76,000 had called in sick.

have you ever wondered how many people you have killed by passing on the flu ? no ? me neither"
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Two things. it’s ICU. that’s where I work.

Second thing. It is busier than last year. At this time in ICU. Mobbed in fact.

Plus most “flu” cases don’t go to ICU. So comparing to last year is wrong as you are not comparing like with like.

We need the same lockdown rules and honesty from

People and the government.

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By *andy 1Couple over a year ago

northeast

what we need is the curfew turning round and get a few that cur

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By *hrista BellendWoman over a year ago

surrounded by twinkly lights

I don't think a night time curfew would achieve much

Lots of people are not fearful of this virus and are happy to take the risk. Compared to the first lockdown with schools closed, this one is a joke with people out everywhere exercising in close proximity to each other, close proximity in supermarkets, they cannot give each other space and the I'm bored at home let's go out many times a day mentality needs to stop

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By *ove2pleaseseuk OP Man over a year ago

Hastings

"Exercise should start and end at home. No driving to go for a walk.

Curfew 10pm to 5am, except for work and support purposes. All retail to be closed between those hours.

I would say 9pm to 6am and I betwen you have to fill a form out on line and screen shot it or print it and carry it with you do work shopping looking after some one etc...

That makes it easier for the police to check anyone out on the roads. "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yes 100%

And the government should stop using the words 'should', 'urge', 'advise', 'appeal' and replace them with 'Can't', 'not allowed', 'banned from', etc etc

Stop siting on the fence to scared upset people...

not...'you shouldnt mix with another household'.....'you are BANNED from mixing with other households!!!'

They should know people in this country will take the piss and soon as they are given enough leeway to do so...that was proven and soon as the pubs and beaches opened..."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Havent read the thread but the title !!! You can fuck off with your curfew !!! Are you fucking mad !!!

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By *extasy19Couple over a year ago

Northampton

I still cannot understand why families of 4 feel the need to go shopping together at our local supermarket, none of the kids wearing a mask. Ditto elderly couples, again no masks. The supermarket rule should be simple: no mask and no hand wash, you don't come in. We live very rurally and couldn't believe the number of people at our local nature reserve who were quite clearly meeting for a coffee. Just like the two attention seekers up in Derbyshire.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

There won't be an uprising despite the wet dreams a tiny minority of people are having about it.

The last demo I saw reported had 'dozens' of protestors, not hundreds or thousands, and members of the public were jeering and taking the piss out of them for being weirdos.

Which makes this members of the public jeering at them just as bad then doesn't it?

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By *ickthelick2001Man over a year ago

nottingham

so whats wrong with normal people doing normal things, the supermarket owners are not comrade Doris's secret police, and neither are the supermarket staff, people have a right to freedom and fresh air, and you have no right to question them, If your mask works, whats the problem ?

You are more than welcome to live your life in fear, but don't expect the rest of us to give up our freedom for your fear

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By *amissCouple over a year ago

chelmsford

As others have said, I don't think a curfew will work. There's no reason to be out, unless you're working of course. If people are breaking the rules, they will still break curfew.

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By *ickthelick2001Man over a year ago

nottingham

So hit me with some figures from your hospital ICU then, i know the sitrep figures are collated at 8.00am everyday, Did you mention Flu, glad you did, because looking at the WHO FLUMART OUTPUTS,the old flu all but disappeared from the entire world around week 17 of 2020, so are flu cases now being labelled as covid ? Also if you work in ICU, you will know very well that hospitals are swamped every flu season, and have been swamped year on year

historical news headlines

Dec 2,2012, hospitals full to bursting point

Nov 24, 2013, hospitals scramble tp prevent crisis.

Nov 27,2014, more patients, overstretched doctors, is the nhs in crisis

Mar 27,2015, hospital bed occupancy rates hit record high

Dec 16,2016, hospitals in England told to put operations on hold to free up beds

Dec 6,2017, bosses sound alarm over hospitals already running at 99% capacity

Mar 7, 2018, NHS intensive care units sending patients elsewhere due to lack of beds

Nov 25,2019, Hospital beds at record low in England, as NHS struggles with demand

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By *litterbabeWoman over a year ago

hiding from cock pics.

I don't really think we should have a curfew, my local Tesco's opens very early and closes late in the evening, I think it's good for people to have more choice of hours to be able to do their essential shopping

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"As others have said, I don't think a curfew will work. There's no reason to be out, unless you're working of course. If people are breaking the rules, they will still break curfew."

I think what they need is actually fining people £300-400 If they are breaking rules , that’ll work in making people stick to actually doing what’s allowed.

Either way, I have a feeling we will be in this muddy situation of in and out of lockdowns because of so many people just not giving a crap .

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By *amissCouple over a year ago

chelmsford

"As others have said, I don't think a curfew will work. There's no reason to be out, unless you're working of course. If people are breaking the rules, they will still break curfew.

I think what they need is actually fining people £300-400 If they are breaking rules , that’ll work in making people stick to actually doing what’s allowed.

Either way, I have a feeling we will be in this muddy situation of in and out of lockdowns because of so many people just not giving a crap .

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By *ap d agde coupleCouple over a year ago

Broadstairs

"so whats wrong with normal people doing normal things, the supermarket owners are not comrade Doris's secret police, and neither are the supermarket staff, people have a right to freedom and fresh air, and you have no right to question them, If your mask works, whats the problem ?

You are more than welcome to live your life in fear, but don't expect the rest of us to give up our freedom for your fear"
Seems plenty of people would loved to have lived in a communist tyranny ,report your fellow citizens, have no freedoms bliss

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Definitely not no . Couldnt be policed everywhere anyway

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So hit me with some figures from your hospital ICU then, i know the sitrep figures are collated at 8.00am everyday, Did you mention Flu, glad you did, because looking at the WHO FLUMART OUTPUTS,the old flu all but disappeared from the entire world around week 17 of 2020, so are flu cases now being labelled as covid ? Also if you work in ICU, you will know very well that hospitals are swamped every flu season, and have been swamped year on year

historical news headlines

Dec 2,2012, hospitals full to bursting point

Nov 24, 2013, hospitals scramble tp prevent crisis.

Nov 27,2014, more patients, overstretched doctors, is the nhs in crisis

Mar 27,2015, hospital bed occupancy rates hit record high

Dec 16,2016, hospitals in England told to put operations on hold to free up beds

Dec 6,2017, bosses sound alarm over hospitals already running at 99% capacity

Mar 7, 2018, NHS intensive care units sending patients elsewhere due to lack of beds

Nov 25,2019, Hospital beds at record low in England, as NHS struggles with demand"

Think winter flu that kills thousands every year must be having this winter off has it hasnt been mentioned , maybe they are being chalked up as covid deaths

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If people followed the rules in place we most likely would not be where are now with health system near breaking, staffing at a most critical stage than any time I can ever remember.

The problem is people always want to find ways to avoid or get around the rules as if it's something big to be able to do...small mindedness.

For those who are saying there isn't a need as the cold dark nights should be doing this seem to overlook it's not about people meeting up outside in a park or carpark at night but the stupid fuckwitts who think the rules don't apply to them and are meeting up at night times when others can see them.

For those who say no because they say our freedoms are being removed, well maybe if people had exercised their freedom of choice which has been the government policy for all these months and chosen the right thing instead of the wrong then we'd could be treated more like adults and not children who don't know how to exercise the freedom given correctly. Freedom is something earned and has responsibilities and consequences not something you are entitled too without its responsibilities and consequences.

So... Yes I think we now need to move into stricter restrictions because there are too many who have shown they can't and won't abide by the rules for the best of others and the good of the whole of society.

The best speed restricters and behavioural change have been shown to be those flashing signs that show you and everyone else looking your speed as you approach. Maybe we need to start using a shaming approach towards those who deliberately go about looking for loop holes and ignoring the rules. Unpopular but effective and sometimes the best ways are unpopular but the methods of expecting people to be responsible are clearly not working.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You are more than welcome to live your life in fear, but don't expect the rest of us to give up our freedom for your fear Seems plenty of people would loved to have lived in a communist tyranny ,report your fellow citizens, have no freedoms bliss "

It’s just a matter of being sensible, imagine if we all had the freedom to do anything we wanted, at any moments, in time of crisis. Endangering family, friends, neighbours. Because of your so called needs. Nobody likes this situation SURELY! but if we are here, it’s because we all have been putting our needs before the collective. (Also reason why in countries like Asia they are doing better, they have just been brought up differently, and the collective is very important)

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By *sGivesWoodWoman over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

"If people followed the rules in place we most likely would not be where are now with health system near breaking, staffing at a most critical stage than any time I can ever remember.

The problem is people always want to find ways to avoid or get around the rules as if it's something big to be able to do...small mindedness.

"If people followed the rules in place we most likely would not be where are now with health system near breaking, staffing at a most critical stage than any time I can ever remember." where were the rules between 2012 and 2019?? The NHS was at breaking point every year then as well.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

historical news headlines

Dec 2,2012, hospitals full to bursting point

Nov 24, 2013, hospitals scramble tp prevent crisis.

Nov 27,2014, more patients, overstretched doctors, is the nhs in crisis

Mar 27,2015, hospital bed occupancy rates hit record high

Dec 16,2016, hospitals in England told to put operations on hold to free up beds

Dec 6,2017, bosses sound alarm over hospitals already running at 99% capacity

Mar 7, 2018, NHS intensive care units sending patients elsewhere due to lack of beds

Nov 25,2019, Hospital beds at record low in England, as NHS struggles with demand"

And what exactly is your point you are trying to make? That this pandemic is all fabricated to bring all the worlds economies down? Covid is nothing more than the flu?

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"If people followed the rules in place we most likely would not be where are now with health system near breaking, staffing at a most critical stage than any time I can ever remember.

The problem is people always want to find ways to avoid or get around the rules as if it's something big to be able to do...small mindedness.

Jesus christ

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

What would the advantages be in introducing more restrictions. Such things have to be justified. I doubt that there is any evidence that the virus is spreading more rapidly at night. A curfew for the whole population 6am till midnight would probably work but likely we will all starve to death. Mind you clearly some on here will see that as preferable to risking the killer virus

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By *ensual massagerMan over a year ago

Bolton

"And if so what time would you think would be exceptable.

100% NO If people want to spend their lives living fear, that's fine by me, I respect that, But I and millions of don't want to give up our freedom for your fear.

A curfew is just another form of control, just like muzzles and social isolation.

If Lockdowns didn't work,why are we having another one ?if lockdowns worked then why are we having another one ?

and to all you people moaning about cases going up, stop getting tested ? and if your masks are working, why are the cases going up ?

Boris, Boris, Boris, Boris.. It's not his fault directly. It's the scientific advisors behind the scenes. They would all come out shouting if he went out on a limb and made these decisions himself. When can people get over that it's not Boris that makes these decisions. Just keep knocking Boris and believe the hindsight parties

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By *sGivesWoodWoman over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

historical news headlines

Dec 2,2012, hospitals full to bursting point

Nov 24, 2013, hospitals scramble tp prevent crisis.

Nov 27,2014, more patients, overstretched doctors, is the nhs in crisis

Mar 27,2015, hospital bed occupancy rates hit record high

Dec 16,2016, hospitals in England told to put operations on hold to free up beds

Dec 6,2017, bosses sound alarm over hospitals already running at 99% capacity

Mar 7, 2018, NHS intensive care units sending patients elsewhere due to lack of beds

Nov 25,2019, Hospital beds at record low in England, as NHS struggles with demand

And what exactly is your point you are trying to make? That this pandemic is all fabricated to bring all the worlds economies down? Covid is nothing more than the flu?"

No they were stating facts that the NHS was overwhelmed in the years between 2012 and 2019, thus saying its not a new thing because of covid.

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By *ap d agde coupleCouple over a year ago

Broadstairs

Just look back in any archives of Newspapers NHS won’t cope this winter overwhelmed has been the headline many a winter

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

Lets ignore the fact that the pandemic has been mishandled on a cosmic scale

Lets ignore the fact that the prime minister didn't even bother to attend several cobra meetings.

Let's ignore the fact that the gmnt has ignored or delayed scientific advice resulting in further deaths.

Let's ignore the fact that the gmnt moved people with covid into care homes,resulting in further deaths.

Instead we will publicly shame people who drive 10 mins to walk around in the open air.

You actually couldnt make this up.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"Just look back in any archives of Newspapers NHS won’t cope this winter overwhelmed has been the headline many a winter "

And?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If people followed the rules in place we most likely would not be where are now with health system near breaking, staffing at a most critical stage than any time I can ever remember.

The problem is people always want to find ways to avoid or get around the rules as if it's something big to be able to do...small mindedness.

So are telling me it's not worse now? Many hospitals running at over 110% for weeks on end, that inspite of the £8.2 billion extra pumped into it this year alone, that it's normal?

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"And if so what time would you think would be exceptable.

100% NO If people want to spend their lives living fear, that's fine by me, I respect that, But I and millions of don't want to give up our freedom for your fear.

A curfew is just another form of control, just like muzzles and social isolation.

If Lockdowns didn't work,why are we having another one ?if lockdowns worked then why are we having another one ?

and to all you people moaning about cases going up, stop getting tested ? and if your masks are working, why are the cases going up ?

He was advised to shut down Christmas and completely ignored it.

He then changed his mind 10 days later.

He was advised to take a circuit break and ignored it.

He was advised to close schools,ignored it and changed his mind a few days later.

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By *ap d agde coupleCouple over a year ago

Broadstairs

"Just look back in any archives of Newspapers NHS won’t cope this winter overwhelmed has been the headline many a winter

And?"
And what ?

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"Just look back in any archives of Newspapers NHS won’t cope this winter overwhelmed has been the headline many a winter

And? And what ? "

You said they are overwhelmed each winter.

We know that

Which means they are at breaking point now

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

historical news headlines

Dec 2,2012, hospitals full to bursting point

Nov 24, 2013, hospitals scramble tp prevent crisis.

Nov 27,2014, more patients, overstretched doctors, is the nhs in crisis

Mar 27,2015, hospital bed occupancy rates hit record high

Dec 16,2016, hospitals in England told to put operations on hold to free up beds

Dec 6,2017, bosses sound alarm over hospitals already running at 99% capacity

Mar 7, 2018, NHS intensive care units sending patients elsewhere due to lack of beds

Nov 25,2019, Hospital beds at record low in England, as NHS struggles with demand

And what exactly is your point you are trying to make? That this pandemic is all fabricated to bring all the worlds economies down? Covid is nothing more than the flu?

No they were stating facts that the NHS was overwhelmed in the years between 2012 and 2019, thus saying its not a new thing because of covid. "

So? Your suggestion is what then or is it just regurgitation of stats. You do realise just stating stats have little bearing if not put in their right context without agenda's.

So what exactly are you try to say and what is your opinion on this?

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By *ap d agde coupleCouple over a year ago

Broadstairs

"Just look back in any archives of Newspapers NHS won’t cope this winter overwhelmed has been the headline many a winter

And? And what ?

You said they are overwhelmed each winter.

We know that

Which means they are at breaking point now"
Yes every year the NHS is at breaking point we agree on that

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By *ensual massagerMan over a year ago

Bolton

"i propose rather than a curfew, we have a culling, of those f*ckwit mps in westminster.

I am sure the "Family of Nations" would have got on a lot better without the bumbling buffoon confusing everyone"

I think a better proposal is to suspend the devolved assemblies and let the proper mps get on with tackling the pandemic.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"Just look back in any archives of Newspapers NHS won’t cope this winter overwhelmed has been the headline many a winter

And? And what ?

You said they are overwhelmed each winter.

We know that

Which means they are at breaking point now Yes every year the NHS is at breaking point we agree on that "

So it stands to reason it will be much worse this year?

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"i propose rather than a curfew, we have a culling, of those f*ckwit mps in westminster.

I am sure the "Family of Nations" would have got on a lot better without the bumbling buffoon confusing everyone

I think a better proposal is to suspend the devolved assemblies and let the proper mps get on with tackling the pandemic.

So a dictatorship ?under boris?

Sounds great.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And if so what time would you think would be exceptable.

100% NO If people want to spend their lives living fear, that's fine by me, I respect that, But I and millions of don't want to give up our freedom for your fear.

A curfew is just another form of control, just like muzzles and social isolation.

If Lockdowns didn't work,why are we having another one ?if lockdowns worked then why are we having another one ?

and to all you people moaning about cases going up, stop getting tested ? and if your masks are working, why are the cases going up ?

He was advised to shut down Christmas and completely ignored it.

He then changed his mind 10 days later.

He was advised to take a circuit break and ignored it.

He was advised to close schools,ignored it and changed his mind a few days later."

You really do need to get out of your small minded blame mindset of #BlameBrisFoEveything, #LabourWouoldHaveDoneItBetter little bubble you're stuck in.

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By *ik MMan over a year ago

Lancashire

"Just look back in any archives of Newspapers NHS won’t cope this winter overwhelmed has been the headline many a winter

And? And what ? "

For me the issue here is reminiscent of the boy who cried wolf. Whilst I have no doubt that the NHS is under extreme pressure right now the fact that we’ve heard similar stories for the past decade or so has diluted the message they are trying to get across.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"And if so what time would you think would be exceptable.

100% NO If people want to spend their lives living fear, that's fine by me, I respect that, But I and millions of don't want to give up our freedom for your fear.

A curfew is just another form of control, just like muzzles and social isolation.

If Lockdowns didn't work,why are we having another one ?if lockdowns worked then why are we having another one ?

and to all you people moaning about cases going up, stop getting tested ? and if your masks are working, why are the cases going up ?

He was advised to shut down Christmas and completely ignored it.

He then changed his mind 10 days later.

He was advised to take a circuit break and ignored it.

He was advised to close schools,ignored it and changed his mind a few days later.

You really do need to get out of your small minded blame mindset of #BlameBrisFoEveything, #LabourWouoldHaveDoneItBetter little bubble you're stuck in."

And you do need to stop believing a serial liar tells you

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"Just look back in any archives of Newspapers NHS won’t cope this winter overwhelmed has been the headline many a winter

And? And what ?

Not really.

In fact not in the slightest.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"i propose rather than a curfew, we have a culling, of those f*ckwit mps in westminster.

I am sure the "Family of Nations" would have got on a lot better without the bumbling buffoon confusing everyone

I think a better proposal is to suspend the devolved assemblies and let the proper mps get on with tackling the pandemic.

So a dictatorship ?under boris?

Sounds great.

There's that Boris again

To answer your question. Maybe yes, an unpopular suggestion but a short term dictatorial approach to take us out of this situation as giving individuals the freedom to make a good choice hasn't worked. It says far more about the people and less if the leadership. If you or others cannot/won't see that then I'm prepared to accept a short term dictatorial approach is needed.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And if so what time would you think would be exceptable.

100% NO If people want to spend their lives living fear, that's fine by me, I respect that, But I and millions of don't want to give up our freedom for your fear.

A curfew is just another form of control, just like muzzles and social isolation.

If Lockdowns didn't work,why are we having another one ?if lockdowns worked then why are we having another one ?

and to all you people moaning about cases going up, stop getting tested ? and if your masks are working, why are the cases going up ?

He was advised to shut down Christmas and completely ignored it.

He then changed his mind 10 days later.

He was advised to take a circuit break and ignored it.

He was advised to close schools,ignored it and changed his mind a few days later.

You really do need to get out of your small minded blame mindset of #BlameBrisFoEveything, #LabourWouoldHaveDoneItBetter little bubble you're stuck in.

And you do need to stop believing a serial liar tells you "

Hahahaha....

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"i propose rather than a curfew, we have a culling, of those f*ckwit mps in westminster.

I am sure the "Family of Nations" would have got on a lot better without the bumbling buffoon confusing everyone

I think a better proposal is to suspend the devolved assemblies and let the proper mps get on with tackling the pandemic.

So a dictatorship ?under boris?

Sounds great.

There's that Boris again

Superb..a dictatorship under a man who cant comb his own hair and princess nut nuts.

Where do I sign up?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Its not the black death ,its a flu virus ,

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By *ickthelick2001Man over a year ago

nottingham

That.s one of my points, but the main point is, The NHS is no busier than any other winter Flu season.

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By *ap d agde coupleCouple over a year ago

Broadstairs

"That.s one of my points, but the main point is, The NHS is no busier than any other winter Flu season."
It is busy every winter always overwhelmed, think this year is worse because lots of NHS staff have had to go sick but it is true it’s always overwhelmed

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"That.s one of my points, but the main point is, The NHS is no busier than any other winter Flu season."

What are you basing that on exactly?

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By *ickthelick2001Man over a year ago

nottingham

historical news headlines

Dec 2,2012, hospitals full to bursting point

Nov 24, 2013, hospitals scramble tp prevent crisis.

Nov 27,2014, more patients, overstretched doctors, is the nhs in crisis

Mar 27,2015, hospital bed occupancy rates hit record high

Dec 16,2016, hospitals in England told to put operations on hold to free up beds

Dec 6,2017, bosses sound alarm over hospitals already running at 99% capacity

Mar 7, 2018, NHS intensive care units sending patients elsewhere due to lack of beds

Nov 25,2019, Hospital beds at record low in England, as NHS struggles with demand

And what exactly is your point you are trying to make? That this pandemic is all fabricated to bring all the worlds economies down? Covid is nothing more than the flu?

No they were stating facts that the NHS was overwhelmed in the years between 2012 and 2019, thus saying its not a new thing because of covid.

So? Your suggestion is what then or is it just regurgitation of stats. You do realise just stating stats have little bearing if not put in their right context without agenda's.

So what exactly are you try to say and what is your opinion on this?"
I'm purely stating facts, and my point is, the NHS is no busier than it has been in previous flu seasons

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

historical news headlines

Dec 2,2012, hospitals full to bursting point

Nov 24, 2013, hospitals scramble tp prevent crisis.

Nov 27,2014, more patients, overstretched doctors, is the nhs in crisis

Mar 27,2015, hospital bed occupancy rates hit record high

Dec 16,2016, hospitals in England told to put operations on hold to free up beds

Dec 6,2017, bosses sound alarm over hospitals already running at 99% capacity

Mar 7, 2018, NHS intensive care units sending patients elsewhere due to lack of beds

Nov 25,2019, Hospital beds at record low in England, as NHS struggles with demand

And what exactly is your point you are trying to make? That this pandemic is all fabricated to bring all the worlds economies down? Covid is nothing more than the flu?

No they were stating facts that the NHS was overwhelmed in the years between 2012 and 2019, thus saying its not a new thing because of covid.

So? Your suggestion is what then or is it just regurgitation of stats. You do realise just stating stats have little bearing if not put in their right context without agenda's.

So what exactly are you try to say and what is your opinion on this?I'm purely stating facts, and my point is, the NHS is no busier than it has been in previous flu seasons"

What facts?

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By *hagTonightMan over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

When it is a pandemic, noone really should be allowed to go out at any time.

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By *ensual massagerMan over a year ago

Bolton

"i propose rather than a curfew, we have a culling, of those f*ckwit mps in westminster.

I am sure the "Family of Nations" would have got on a lot better without the bumbling buffoon confusing everyone

I think a better proposal is to suspend the devolved assemblies and let the proper mps get on with tackling the pandemic.

So a dictatorship ?under boris?

Sounds great.

No, not at all. The public want that.

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By *ensual massagerMan over a year ago

Bolton

"And if so what time would you think would be exceptable.

100% NO If people want to spend their lives living fear, that's fine by me, I respect that, But I and millions of don't want to give up our freedom for your fear.

A curfew is just another form of control, just like muzzles and social isolation.

If Lockdowns didn't work,why are we having another one ?if lockdowns worked then why are we having another one ?

and to all you people moaning about cases going up, stop getting tested ? and if your masks are working, why are the cases going up ?

He was advised to shut down Christmas and completely ignored it.

He then changed his mind 10 days later.

He was advised to take a circuit break and ignored it.

He was advised to close schools,ignored it and changed his mind a few days later.

You really do need to get out of your small minded blame mindset of #BlameBrisFoEveything, #LabourWouoldHaveDoneItBetter little bubble you're stuck in."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Everyone has the right to do stupid things but so many are clearly abusing that privilege and it becomes increasingly difficult to refrain from associating it with their identity.

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By *ensual massagerMan over a year ago

Bolton

historical news headlines

Dec 2,2012, hospitals full to bursting point

Nov 24, 2013, hospitals scramble tp prevent crisis.

Nov 27,2014, more patients, overstretched doctors, is the nhs in crisis

Mar 27,2015, hospital bed occupancy rates hit record high

Dec 16,2016, hospitals in England told to put operations on hold to free up beds

Dec 6,2017, bosses sound alarm over hospitals already running at 99% capacity

Mar 7, 2018, NHS intensive care units sending patients elsewhere due to lack of beds

Nov 25,2019, Hospital beds at record low in England, as NHS struggles with demand

And what exactly is your point you are trying to make? That this pandemic is all fabricated to bring all the worlds economies down? Covid is nothing more than the flu?

No they were stating facts that the NHS was overwhelmed in the years between 2012 and 2019, thus saying its not a new thing because of covid.

So? Your suggestion is what then or is it just regurgitation of stats. You do realise just stating stats have little bearing if not put in their right context without agenda's.

So what exactly are you try to say and what is your opinion on this?I'm purely stating facts, and my point is, the NHS is no busier than it has been in previous flu seasons

What facts?"

Those you replied to

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By *ensual massagerMan over a year ago

Bolton

"When it is a pandemic, noone really should be allowed to go out at any time."

There's an idea. When was the last time you actually went out?

How do people eat?