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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Is it just me or do you think these vaccine super centres are going to be safe?
I seen the pictures of one this morning that is almost ready to go...and it looked like the inside queuing lanes could hold quite a few hundred people.
Now these people are the most vulnerable and will probably be shielded in them queues.
I know some will be key workers too.
But with 11000 pharmacies around the country which if they all do a hundred jabs per day will manage over a million per week...then we have GPs on top of that. I just hope these centres dont become a dangerous publicity stunt that infect the vulnerable by being unneeded mass gatherings.
What ya think? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Two women got fined £200 each for driving separately 5 miles for a walk but we can drive ten miles for a vaccination. Could you give your neighbours a lift ?"
I'm more on the thinking about how many are in the stadiums when they get there...its the thought of being herded through these to be vaccinated...but the virus works faster than the vaccine.
But yeah I think with chemists and gps being mostly in walking distance for most,it is far safer |
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We shouldn't be gathering large groups of any types of people at the moment and especially not people who are highly vulnerable, unless we have very tight management of the process. It's natural for people queueing to chat and those with hearing difficulties may instinctively want to pull a little closer to others.
It could be another Nightingale faux pas, done more for PR than anything else.
Any vaccine delivery needs to have very high safety protocols, otherwise its just another part of the problem |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"We shouldn't be gathering large groups of any types of people at the moment and especially not people who are highly vulnerable, unless we have very tight management of the process. It's natural for people queueing to chat and those with hearing difficulties may instinctively want to pull a little closer to others.
It could be another Nightingale faux pas, done more for PR than anything else.
Any vaccine delivery needs to have very high safety protocols, otherwise its just another part of the problem "
My thinking too...nicely put  |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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It has to be done somehow, and they are hardly going to be able to do it in the rain or through the window of a car or a pop-up shelter. Being mid-winter and all.
I'm sure they have a handle on the safety. |
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"Is it just me or do you think these vaccine super centres are going to be safe?
I seen the pictures of one this morning that is almost ready to go...and it looked like the inside queuing lanes could hold quite a few hundred people.
Now these people are the most vulnerable and will probably be shielded in them queues.
I know some will be key workers too.
But with 11000 pharmacies around the country which if they all do a hundred jabs per day will manage over a million per week...then we have GPs on top of that. I just hope these centres dont become a dangerous publicity stunt that infect the vulnerable by being unneeded mass gatherings.
What ya think?"
Will be a lot safer than going to Aldi or any other supermarket I would say |
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Has any one noticed or is it just me, that in 2020 no one died of just old age ... just a thought .. and I agree op with yr comments about pharmacies etc .. I think there as been to many publicly stunts and shocking reporting from the media from March last year.. anyway, let’s all think positive  |
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"Has any one noticed or is it just me, that in 2020 no one died of just old age ... just a thought .. and I agree op with yr comments about pharmacies etc .. I think there as been to many publicly stunts and shocking reporting from the media from March last year.. anyway, let’s all think positive "
People don't die of 'old age', they die of complications caused by it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Epsom racecourse is one of them
Let's hope it doesn't turn out to be the next Cheltenham..."
quite a leap to draw that parallel ... other than the fact both venues normally race horses, the circumstances are nothing alike |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Has any one noticed or is it just me, that in 2020 no one died of just old age ... just a thought .. and I agree op with yr comments about pharmacies etc .. I think there as been to many publicly stunts and shocking reporting from the media from March last year.. anyway, let’s all think positive
People don't die of 'old age', they die of complications caused by it."
and yes they did ... my grandad being one of them just after christmas
please stop posting your musings as though they are fact |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Epsom racecourse is one of them
Let's hope it doesn't turn out to be the next Cheltenham...
quite a leap to draw that parallel ... other than the fact both venues normally race horses, the circumstances are nothing alike "
Hang on....they are hoping to do 200,000 per day through 5 or 7 of these super centres. That is the equivalent of 5 or seven stadia per day of the most vulnerable people in the country.
I think it's fair to question the safety of this. Dont you? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Epsom racecourse is one of them
Let's hope it doesn't turn out to be the next Cheltenham...
quite a leap to draw that parallel ... other than the fact both venues normally race horses, the circumstances are nothing alike
Hang on....they are hoping to do 200,000 per day through 5 or 7 of these super centres. That is the equivalent of 5 or seven stadia per day of the most vulnerable people in the country.
I think it's fair to question the safety of this. Dont you?"
question the safety sure ... draw parallels to a sporting event that was allowed to continue without social distancing ... not quite sure that logic works |
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By *ndulge101Couple
over a year ago
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we,ve just been installing the vaccine centre at the 3 counties show ground and its been very well thought out large parking are plenty of room for social distancing buildings well designed for entry n exit
while Ive put in 4 unit down here is what the don't seem to say much about is the 6 large morgues Ive also installed this week |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Epsom racecourse is one of them
Let's hope it doesn't turn out to be the next Cheltenham...
quite a leap to draw that parallel ... other than the fact both venues normally race horses, the circumstances are nothing alike
Hang on....they are hoping to do 200,000 per day through 5 or 7 of these super centres. That is the equivalent of 5 or seven stadia per day of the most vulnerable people in the country.
I think it's fair to question the safety of this. Dont you?
question the safety sure ... draw parallels to a sporting event that was allowed to continue without social distancing ... not quite sure that logic works "
The is very little crowds allowed in any sporting stadium if any. But hey we will open then back up and only fill them with the most vulnerable....yeah Cheltenham had a broad range of ages then. I dont think it unfair to compare them in these circumstances. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Epsom racecourse is one of them
Let's hope it doesn't turn out to be the next Cheltenham...
quite a leap to draw that parallel ... other than the fact both venues normally race horses, the circumstances are nothing alike
Hang on....they are hoping to do 200,000 per day through 5 or 7 of these super centres. That is the equivalent of 5 or seven stadia per day of the most vulnerable people in the country.
I think it's fair to question the safety of this. Dont you?
question the safety sure ... draw parallels to a sporting event that was allowed to continue without social distancing ... not quite sure that logic works
The is very little crowds allowed in any sporting stadium if any. But hey we will open then back up and only fill them with the most vulnerable....yeah Cheltenham had a broad range of ages then. I dont think it unfair to compare them in these circumstances. "
okay so 200000 per day over 5 is 40000 per stadium, operating similar hours to test centre would be 12 hour days so approx 3333 per hour which is roughly how long the vaccine appointments take including paperwork , the jab and observation according to anecdotal evidence on here so far
these are very crude calculations and its more likely each stadium numbers will be calculated on the capacity and requirements of the stadium itself but i don’t think 3333 people is “filling” a stadium with the most vulnerable people
we’ve been advised to distance from other households for nearly a year, existing teat centres are all social distanced , any venue for anything that has reopened has been allowed to do so only with strict distancing measures in places ... why would the logic now follow that the plan was to cram all the vulnerable together at one time? the only purpose of large venues is to allow larger volumes to be processed while meeting all the existing guidelines |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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I just think existing pharmacies and GPs should be the way to go...11000 pharmacies at 100 per day over 12 hours would be far safer...around 8 per hour..ad local GPs and it would probably be down to less then 4 ph. The infrastructure is already there and far safer in my opinion.
That's to girlinlingerie.
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"Is it just me or do you think these vaccine super centres are going to be safe?
I seen the pictures of one this morning that is almost ready to go...and it looked like the inside queuing lanes could hold quite a few hundred people.
Now these people are the most vulnerable and will probably be shielded in them queues.
I know some will be key workers too.
But with 11000 pharmacies around the country which if they all do a hundred jabs per day will manage over a million per week...then we have GPs on top of that. I just hope these centres dont become a dangerous publicity stunt that infect the vulnerable by being unneeded mass gatherings.
What ya think?"
There's absolutely no way you could get 100 people in either of our local pharmacies over and above what they are doing now. There's usually a queue to get prescriptions and pharmaceutical items let alone trying to get another 100 people squeezed in.
You'd be hard pushed to get an extra 10 people and that's when it's quiet if at all.
Don't forget, it's not like the flu jab. With the flu jab, just go in, sit down and pharmacist does it. Next patient.. With the vaccine, sterile Covid clean area, full protection, then cleaned and sterilised after. Plus disposal of needles, philes and swabs.
Good idea on the surface but logistically impossible. |
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"we,ve just been installing the vaccine centre at the 3 counties show ground and its been very well thought out large parking are plenty of room for social distancing buildings well designed for entry n exit
while Ive put in 4 unit down here is what the don't seem to say much about is the 6 large morgues Ive also installed this week "
Has it been designed to allow wheelchair users (by which I mean self propelling wheelchair users) to get in and out by the same route as everyone else OR via a similar one way only route? To date in this pandemic, not one single healthcare establishment has managed that and we in wheelchairs have to turn back and go out through the 'in' door or whatever.
When I went for my flu jab, I was directed out of an exit with a large step down to get out. It's a good job I personally CAN get my wheelchair down steps, but I know that the majority of my pals from wheelchair basketball cannot due to upper limb and trunk impairments. |
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By *evaquitCouple
over a year ago
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Well said, op. Over the weekend I've seen Americans queuing up down the blocks very close to each waiting for their jab. Nick Hancock said that even after the jab the immunity isn't instant and could take upto ten days, during that point you would still be vulnerable, so....... |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"we,ve just been installing the vaccine centre at the 3 counties show ground and its been very well thought out large parking are plenty of room for social distancing buildings well designed for entry n exit
while Ive put in 4 unit down here is what the don't seem to say much about is the 6 large morgues Ive also installed this week
Has it been designed to allow wheelchair users (by which I mean self propelling wheelchair users) to get in and out by the same route as everyone else OR via a similar one way only route? To date in this pandemic, not one single healthcare establishment has managed that and we in wheelchairs have to turn back and go out through the 'in' door or whatever.
When I went for my flu jab, I was directed out of an exit with a large step down to get out. It's a good job I personally CAN get my wheelchair down steps, but I know that the majority of my pals from wheelchair basketball cannot due to upper limb and trunk impairments."
Both my doctors and dentist operate a one way system...the dentist has a ramp both ways |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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When I went for my flu jab, I was directed out of an exit with a large step down to get out. It's a good job I personally CAN get my wheelchair down steps, but I know that the majority of my pals from wheelchair basketball cannot due to upper limb and trunk impairments."
I know a COPD patient that goes for her yearly tests and the Nurse's Suite is on the third floor and no lift. At a GP's Surgery. That's just plain old bad fooking planning on behalf of the GP Partnership. Not the Government. |
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"we,ve just been installing the vaccine centre at the 3 counties show ground and its been very well thought out large parking are plenty of room for social distancing buildings well designed for entry n exit
while Ive put in 4 unit down here is what the don't seem to say much about is the 6 large morgues Ive also installed this week
Has it been designed to allow wheelchair users (by which I mean self propelling wheelchair users) to get in and out by the same route as everyone else OR via a similar one way only route? To date in this pandemic, not one single healthcare establishment has managed that and we in wheelchairs have to turn back and go out through the 'in' door or whatever.
When I went for my flu jab, I was directed out of an exit with a large step down to get out. It's a good job I personally CAN get my wheelchair down steps, but I know that the majority of my pals from wheelchair basketball cannot due to upper limb and trunk impairments.
Both my doctors and dentist operate a one way system...the dentist has a ramp both ways "
My GP surgery have barricaded shut the accessible front doors (which go to the waiting room and reception) and instead are taking people in and out via the fire doors. The fire doors are exactly the same width as my wheelchair and so the only way to get through is to hold the frame and pull yourself through. It's also on a reasonable gradient with a lip at the top. It's a shambles.
My dentist is in an old building with stairs  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Well said, op. Over the weekend I've seen Americans queuing up down the blocks very close to each waiting for their jab. Nick Hancock said that even after the jab the immunity isn't instant and could take upto ten days, during that point you would still be vulnerable, so......."
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When I went for my flu jab, I was directed out of an exit with a large step down to get out. It's a good job I personally CAN get my wheelchair down steps, but I know that the majority of my pals from wheelchair basketball cannot due to upper limb and trunk impairments.
I know a COPD patient that goes for her yearly tests and the Nurse's Suite is on the third floor and no lift. At a GP's Surgery. That's just plain old bad fooking planning on behalf of the GP Partnership. Not the Government."
I didn't mention the Government. I asked the person who says they built one of the super vaccine centres if they were fully accessible. It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if they were not. |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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No App for booking then . . .
Hundreds of thousands of people aged 80 and over are being invited to book a coronavirus vaccination at the new NHS vaccination centres that open this week.
The first 130,000 letters began arriving on doormats this weekend with more than 500,000 following this week, with the national vaccination programme “rapidly accelerating”.
The letters have been sent to people aged 80 or over who live 30 to 45 minutes drive from one of the seven new sites and explain how they can book a slot – over the phone or online through the national booking service.
The centres, which include one at the site of the London Nightingale Hospital and Manchester’s Etihad Stadium, offer a convenient alternative to GP and hospital services and can each deliver thousands of vaccinations every week.
Nurses, doctors, physios and other NHS staff working nearby are also being jabbed at the centres, along with social care and care home workers. |
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"I just think existing pharmacies and GPs should be the way to go...11000 pharmacies at 100 per day over 12 hours would be far safer...around 8 per hour..ad local GPs and it would probably be down to less then 4 ph. The infrastructure is already there and far safer in my opinion.
That's to girlinlingerie.
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So at that rate, you'd have to employ at least 11,000 extra staff. Pharmacies are already busy with other work.. If you're going to do a 12 hour shift then you'd need 2 staff trained to do the injection. You cannot expect one person to constantly inject and sterilise the area for 12 hours non stop, so realistically, most pharmacies, well local to me are 8/9 hours. Pharmacies have to be secure so you'd need extra staff there whilst the person giving the injection isn't alone in a premises that contains all manner of drugs.
I understand the concept and the idea but it isn't as easy as it seems once you look into it..
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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In Addition . . .
“They will work hand in hand with GPs, pharmacies, hospitals and care homes to offer vaccines to everyone in the top four priority cohorts, saving thousands of lives and helping us start to return to normal in the future.” |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I just think existing pharmacies and GPs should be the way to go...11000 pharmacies at 100 per day over 12 hours would be far safer...around 8 per hour..ad local GPs and it would probably be down to less then 4 ph. The infrastructure is already there and far safer in my opinion.
That's to girlinlingerie.
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takes more logistics to stock and staff 11000 locations than 5
covid jans mean people need to stay for 15 minutes after... where are they all sitting social distanced afterwards in a local pharmacy? who is the medically trained member of staff watching and that can administer what treatment is necessary if they have a bad reaction
its more complex that the flu jab which is why alternative solutions need to be and are being utilised |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I just think existing pharmacies and GPs should be the way to go...11000 pharmacies at 100 per day over 12 hours would be far safer...around 8 per hour..ad local GPs and it would probably be down to less then 4 ph. The infrastructure is already there and far safer in my opinion.
That's to girlinlingerie.
So at that rate, you'd have to employ at least 11,000 extra staff. Pharmacies are already busy with other work.. If you're going to do a 12 hour shift then you'd need 2 staff trained to do the injection. You cannot expect one person to constantly inject and sterilise the area for 12 hours non stop, so realistically, most pharmacies, well local to me are 8/9 hours. Pharmacies have to be secure so you'd need extra staff there whilst the person giving the injection isn't alone in a premises that contains all manner of drugs.
I understand the concept and the idea but it isn't as easy as it seems once you look into it..
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Makes me wonder why the pharmacy body is asking to do the vaccinations then! |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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"I just think existing pharmacies and GPs should be the way to go...11000 pharmacies at 100 per day over 12 hours would be far safer...around 8 per hour..ad local GPs and it would probably be down to less then 4 ph. The infrastructure is already there and far safer in my opinion.
That's to girlinlingerie.
So at that rate, you'd have to employ at least 11,000 extra staff. Pharmacies are already busy with other work.. If you're going to do a 12 hour shift then you'd need 2 staff trained to do the injection. You cannot expect one person to constantly inject and sterilise the area for 12 hours non stop, so realistically, most pharmacies, well local to me are 8/9 hours. Pharmacies have to be secure so you'd need extra staff there whilst the person giving the injection isn't alone in a premises that contains all manner of drugs.
I understand the concept and the idea but it isn't as easy as it seems once you look into it..
Makes me wonder why the pharmacy body is asking to do the vaccinations then!"
They already are. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I just think existing pharmacies and GPs should be the way to go...11000 pharmacies at 100 per day over 12 hours would be far safer...around 8 per hour..ad local GPs and it would probably be down to less then 4 ph. The infrastructure is already there and far safer in my opinion.
That's to girlinlingerie.
So at that rate, you'd have to employ at least 11,000 extra staff. Pharmacies are already busy with other work.. If you're going to do a 12 hour shift then you'd need 2 staff trained to do the injection. You cannot expect one person to constantly inject and sterilise the area for 12 hours non stop, so realistically, most pharmacies, well local to me are 8/9 hours. Pharmacies have to be secure so you'd need extra staff there whilst the person giving the injection isn't alone in a premises that contains all manner of drugs.
I understand the concept and the idea but it isn't as easy as it seems once you look into it..
Makes me wonder why the pharmacy body is asking to do the vaccinations then!
They already are."
they will be adding to the effort and quite rightly should be ... but not at the volume and speed required to get us out of lockdown this year |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I just think existing pharmacies and GPs should be the way to go...11000 pharmacies at 100 per day over 12 hours would be far safer...around 8 per hour..ad local GPs and it would probably be down to less then 4 ph. The infrastructure is already there and far safer in my opinion.
That's to girlinlingerie.
takes more logistics to stock and staff 11000 locations than 5
covid jans mean people need to stay for 15 minutes after... where are they all sitting social distanced afterwards in a local pharmacy? who is the medically trained member of staff watching and that can administer what treatment is necessary if they have a bad reaction
its more complex that the flu jab which is why alternative solutions need to be and are being utilised "
I think we will have to agree to disagree on this one as I see it as a catastrophy just waiting to happen. I hope I am wrong. |
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"I just think existing pharmacies and GPs should be the way to go...11000 pharmacies at 100 per day over 12 hours would be far safer...around 8 per hour..ad local GPs and it would probably be down to less then 4 ph. The infrastructure is already there and far safer in my opinion.
That's to girlinlingerie.
takes more logistics to stock and staff 11000 locations than 5
covid jans mean people need to stay for 15 minutes after... where are they all sitting social distanced afterwards in a local pharmacy? who is the medically trained member of staff watching and that can administer what treatment is necessary if they have a bad reaction
its more complex that the flu jab which is why alternative solutions need to be and are being utilised "
Absolutely |
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"In Leeds Elland Road is going to be used. That is 9 miles from me and two buses each way for people without a car. Not a very safe or practical journey. "
people have already said that pharmacies and medical centres are also offering them, people can just make the appointment at the safest most practical location for them
even if these big stadiums aren’t used much til we hit the under 60 bracket where people are more likely to have a car within the household then at least we are getting them prepped and ready to go
we can find something to nit pick and a scenario where something doesn’t work no matter where we look , but i think these are a positive step forward to get the vaccine rolled out quickly and safely |
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we can find something to nit pick and a scenario where something doesn’t work no matter where we look , but i think these are a positive step forward to get the vaccine rolled out quickly and safely "
Yes you are right |
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"In Leeds Elland Road is going to be used. That is 9 miles from me and two buses each way for people without a car. Not a very safe or practical journey.
people have already said that pharmacies and medical centres are also offering them, people can just make the appointment at the safest most practical location for them
even if these big stadiums aren’t used much til we hit the under 60 bracket where people are more likely to have a car within the household then at least we are getting them prepped and ready to go
we can find something to nit pick and a scenario where something doesn’t work no matter where we look , but i think these are a positive step forward to get the vaccine rolled out quickly and safely "
Can't argue with that |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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we can find something to nit pick and a scenario where something doesn’t work no matter where we look , but i think these are a positive step forward to get the vaccine rolled out quickly and safely "
Well said. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"In Leeds Elland Road is going to be used. That is 9 miles from me and two buses each way for people without a car. Not a very safe or practical journey.
people have already said that pharmacies and medical centres are also offering them, people can just make the appointment at the safest most practical location for them
even if these big stadiums aren’t used much til we hit the under 60 bracket where people are more likely to have a car within the household then at least we are getting them prepped and ready to go
we can find something to nit pick and a scenario where something doesn’t work no matter where we look , but i think these are a positive step forward to get the vaccine rolled out quickly and safely "
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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But in context it reads:
"People waiting to receive the Covid-19 vaccine say they are confused by NHS letters inviting them to travel to centres miles away from their homes.
The first 130,000 letters have been sent to people aged 80 or older who live about 30 to 45 minutes' drive away from one of seven new regional centres.
But patients, many of whom are shielding, questioned why they had to travel so far in a pandemic.
Local jabs are available to people if they wait, the NHS said." |
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"But in context it reads:
"People waiting to receive the Covid-19 vaccine say they are confused by NHS letters inviting them to travel to centres miles away from their homes.
The first 130,000 letters have been sent to people aged 80 or older who live about 30 to 45 minutes' drive away from one of seven new regional centres.
But patients, many of whom are shielding, questioned why they had to travel so far in a pandemic.
Local jabs are available to people if they wait, the NHS said.""
Cat don’t you know the rules by now? context, full stories and bigger pictures don’t whip up a frenzy ... shame on you  |
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although i do bloody love when kinky couple post their biology knowledge and shut down nonsense so i dont think a frenzy was the intention on this occasion |
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"although i do bloody love when kinky couple post their biology knowledge and shut down nonsense so "
I do usually add some context but thought the article was self explanatory. The ARTICLE says that elder people can wait for their local clinics, but the LETTERS don't. I think they'd do well to rephrase any letters not already posted out. Our older people shouldn't have to read a BBC article to understand what is on offer to them. |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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Cat don’t you know the rules by now? context, full stories and bigger pictures don’t whip up a frenzy ... shame on you "
I wish people would have read that
"The first 130,000 letters have been sent to people aged 80 or older who live about 30 to 45 minutes' drive away from one of seven new regional centres."
And set up 7 vaccination centres as the GOOD NEWS !!
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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"There is a 119 FREE number to call too.
There is indeed. It's also very busy and requires a lot of waiting to get an answer unfortunately."
Understandable. Bearing in mind the number of people it involves.
But. Come on folks let's be glad it's happening.
NOTHING in our lifetime has happened like this before. Ring you Grandma and Grandpa and YOU tell them what the alternatives are. Blame is with all of us for NOT doing what WE can to help.
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"There is a 119 FREE number to call too.
There is indeed. It's also very busy and requires a lot of waiting to get an answer unfortunately.
Understandable. Bearing in mind the number of people it involves.
But. Come on folks let's be glad it's happening.
NOTHING in our lifetime has happened like this before. Ring you Grandma and Grandpa and YOU tell them what the alternatives are. Blame is with all of us for NOT doing what WE can to help.
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My Dad's had his first one. Second one tomorrow (as far as he knows).
My Grandad emailed me but due to his rural location, there's nothing on offer to him so far. Hoping his GP gets vaccine soon. |
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"although i do bloody love when kinky couple post their biology knowledge and shut down nonsense so
I do usually add some context but thought the article was self explanatory. The ARTICLE says that elder people can wait for their local clinics, but the LETTERS don't. I think they'd do well to rephrase any letters not already posted out. Our older people shouldn't have to read a BBC article to understand what is on offer to them. "
yeah sorry i hit post before saying i didn’t think it was your intention so fixed it
once i saw who had posted i realised it probably wasnt your motivation |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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Two Labour MPs tweeted about their concerns about the letters being delayed in getting out to people due to coronavirus affecting Royal Mail staff.
Is a bit of a worry - I know that my postie has said they are days behind stuff simply because he can't bget a van to deliver in co's of parcels being delivered - letters are running late co's they deliver to an area with a van full and then deliver on foot from there.
But again - Tell Grandma and Grandpa if they don't get a letter how they can access the BOOKING site - Let's help people not moan about what's gone wrong. |
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"Also I'm waiting for my application to be a vaccinator to be untangled from red tape, so I'm trying to do more than my bit, Cat.
Hopefully that's been sorted."
Not yet unfortunately! Had an email on Thursday but still not sorted. Who'd have thought using a wheelchair (but being otherwise fit and healthy) would be such an issue?!  |
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over a year ago
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For example - simple things . . . I know a few over 80's who were having their covid jab and frankly they were pretty apprehensive - so I asked one who sailed through.
So I asked him to explain to me exactly how it went. Then I went and explained to the others.
It's the least we can all do. |
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over a year ago
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"Also I'm waiting for my application to be a vaccinator to be untangled from red tape, so I'm trying to do more than my bit, Cat.
Hopefully that's been sorted.
Not yet unfortunately! Had an email on Thursday but still not sorted. Who'd have thought using a wheelchair (but being otherwise fit and healthy) would be such an issue?! "
Some people still need their heads sorting with wheelchair thinking. |
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"For example - simple things . . . I know a few over 80's who were having their covid jab and frankly they were pretty apprehensive - so I asked one who sailed through.
So I asked him to explain to me exactly how it went. Then I went and explained to the others.
It's the least we can all do."
My Dad has been clamouring to have his since he first read about the trials in the paper (and wanted to join the trials too) and it sounds like my Grandad the same  |
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"In Leeds Elland Road is going to be used. That is 9 miles from me and two buses each way for people without a car. Not a very safe or practical journey.
people have already said that pharmacies and medical centres are also offering them, people can just make the appointment at the safest most practical location for them
even if these big stadiums aren’t used much til we hit the under 60 bracket where people are more likely to have a car within the household then at least we are getting them prepped and ready to go
we can find something to nit pick and a scenario where something doesn’t work no matter where we look , but i think these are a positive step forward to get the vaccine rolled out quickly and safely "
But I am not nit picking as you put it am I?
I genuinely want as many vaccinations done as possible. I just have grave worries about doing it in these big centres. They are going ahead in the morning so time will tell...and as I said I hope I'm wrong....just wind your neck in a little eh
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"In Leeds Elland Road is going to be used. That is 9 miles from me and two buses each way for people without a car. Not a very safe or practical journey.
people have already said that pharmacies and medical centres are also offering them, people can just make the appointment at the safest most practical location for them
even if these big stadiums aren’t used much til we hit the under 60 bracket where people are more likely to have a car within the household then at least we are getting them prepped and ready to go
we can find something to nit pick and a scenario where something doesn’t work no matter where we look , but i think these are a positive step forward to get the vaccine rolled out quickly and safely
But I am not nit picking as you put it am I?
I genuinely want as many vaccinations done as possible. I just have grave worries about doing it in these big centres. They are going ahead in the morning so time will tell...and as I said I hope I'm wrong....just wind your neck in a little eh
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i hadn’t even quoted your post here but feel free to take it personally if you so wish  ... maybe wind your own neck back in |
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"Has any one noticed or is it just me, that in 2020 no one died of just old age ... just a thought .. and I agree op with yr comments about pharmacies etc .. I think there as been to many publicly stunts and shocking reporting from the media from March last year.. anyway, let’s all think positive
People don't die of 'old age', they die of complications caused by it.
and yes they did ... my grandad being one of them just after christmas
please stop posting your musings as though they are fact "
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"In Leeds Elland Road is going to be used. That is 9 miles from me and two buses each way for people without a car. Not a very safe or practical journey.
people have already said that pharmacies and medical centres are also offering them, people can just make the appointment at the safest most practical location for them
even if these big stadiums aren’t used much til we hit the under 60 bracket where people are more likely to have a car within the household then at least we are getting them prepped and ready to go
we can find something to nit pick and a scenario where something doesn’t work no matter where we look , but i think these are a positive step forward to get the vaccine rolled out quickly and safely
But I am not nit picking as you put it am I?
I genuinely want as many vaccinations done as possible. I just have grave worries about doing it in these big centres. They are going ahead in the morning so time will tell...and as I said I hope I'm wrong....just wind your neck in a little eh
i hadn’t even quoted your post here but feel free to take it personally if you so wish ... maybe wind your own neck back in "
It was the nit picking bot the came across "we" not just the reply to that singular post...as I said I have concerns about them and I'm surprised others haven't voiced the same...but as I said time will tell. |
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By *litterbabeWoman
over a year ago
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"Two women got fined £200 each for driving separately 5 miles for a walk but we can drive ten miles for a vaccination. Could you give your neighbours a lift ?"
A car can only contain a bubble (household, support or childcare).
It's therefore illegal to give somebody out of your bubble a lift such as a neighbour.
the confusing thing is, it seems that it is still legal to be able to take a taxi. |
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over a year ago
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"Already today over 80s are expressing concern at receiving letters inviting them to attend super centres 45 minutes drive away. "
Those are "offer" letters. You can take up the offer if you want or can.
Otherwise, you can wait for a more local offer. You don't lose your place should you not take up the super centre offer.
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Those are "offer" letters. You can take up the offer if you want or can.
Otherwise, you can wait for a more local offer. You don't lose your place should you not take up the super centre offer.
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Yes this is true but unfortunately it doesn't say this in the letter. Hence the confusion. |
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"Has any one noticed or is it just me, that in 2020 no one died of just old age ... just a thought ."
It continues to be possible to certify someone as having died from old age (senility) as the sole cause but the circumstances are generally limited.
The certifying doctor must have personally cared for the deceased over a long period (many months / years).
The certifying doctor must have observed a gradual decline in the patient's general health and functioning.
The certifying doctor must exclude any identifiable disease or injury that may have contributed to the death
The certifying doctor must be certain that there is no reason that the death should be reported to the coroner.
Generally a Death Cerificate for old age / senility will not be issued for anyone under 80 years of age.
Doctor D
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Generally a Death Cerificate for old age / senility will not be issued for anyone under 80 years of age.
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I believe that guidelines for certifying someone as dying from old age were tightened after the Shipman enquiry. |
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"Has any one noticed or is it just me, that in 2020 no one died of just old age ... just a thought .
It continues to be possible to certify someone as having died from old age (senility) as the sole cause but the circumstances are generally limited.
The certifying doctor must have personally cared for the deceased over a long period (many months / years).
The certifying doctor must have observed a gradual decline in the patient's general health and functioning.
The certifying doctor must exclude any identifiable disease or injury that may have contributed to the death
The certifying doctor must be certain that there is no reason that the death should be reported to the coroner.
Generally a Death Cerificate for old age / senility will not be issued for anyone under 80 years of age.
Doctor D
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so in other words no one will ever die of old age anymore?
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"Has any one noticed or is it just me, that in 2020 no one died of just old age ... just a thought .
It continues to be possible to certify someone as having died from old age (senility) as the sole cause but the circumstances are generally limited.
The certifying doctor must have personally cared for the deceased over a long period (many months / years).
The certifying doctor must have observed a gradual decline in the patient's general health and functioning.
The certifying doctor must exclude any identifiable disease or injury that may have contributed to the death
The certifying doctor must be certain that there is no reason that the death should be reported to the coroner.
Generally a Death Cerificate for old age / senility will not be issued for anyone under 80 years of age.
Doctor D
so in other words no one will ever die of old age anymore?
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No, read the post above again... |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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"I didnt think you can die of old age..surely something must fail?"
Is actually the case.
There is another term:
"Geriatric Failure to Thrive"
That scientists have been studying, but say it is 'rare'.
Usually an organ - vital to life - stops functioning, or causing a cascade of failures resulting in death.
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wether old age can be put on the death certificate or not i think its pretty clear the posters meaning ... “oh look every death is getting labelled covid, the numbers are fudged, hoax, fake news, conspiracy shite yada yada yada”
when i referred to my grandad dying of old age actually his lungs failed but that failure was down to natural causes which were the result of old age ... there was no identified lung illness (cancer, covid, flu , another virus) that he was diagnosed with or being treated for
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I have to say I don't understand the logic of the super vaccination centres at this stage in the roll out.
The vast majority of people that will be offered the vaccine in the next 8 weeks will be in the top 4 categories. So other than frontline nhs staff and care home workers the rest are considered exceptionally vulnerable.
So surely at the moment it is better to distribute the vaccine more locally so it is more accessible For those who need it.
Then as it goes down the groups to have them open then as the people receiving them would in general be able to travel to them. |
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"I have to say I don't understand the logic of the super vaccination centres at this stage in the roll out.
The vast majority of people that will be offered the vaccine in the next 8 weeks will be in the top 4 categories. So other than frontline nhs staff and care home workers the rest are considered exceptionally vulnerable.
So surely at the moment it is better to distribute the vaccine more locally so it is more accessible For those who need it.
Then as it goes down the groups to have them open then as the people receiving them would in general be able to travel to them. "
Hurrah
Finally someone using commonsense...I was starting to question my own sanity |
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"I have to say I don't understand the logic of the super vaccination centres at this stage in the roll out.
The vast majority of people that will be offered the vaccine in the next 8 weeks will be in the top 4 categories. So other than frontline nhs staff and care home workers the rest are considered exceptionally vulnerable.
So surely at the moment it is better to distribute the vaccine more locally so it is more accessible For those who need it.
Then as it goes down the groups to have them open then as the people receiving them would in general be able to travel to them.
Hurrah
Finally someone using commonsense...I was starting to question my own sanity "
Whilst i understand the need to have mass vaccination centres it does seem like they are jumping the gun a little bit.
Ash's dad and step mum are 81 and 85, he has parkinsons and she is having cancer treatment. They had a phone call the other day and offered an appointment over an hour's drive away at 7:00 p.m in the evening in 3 days time. They explained that that would be very difficult and asked if they could have an afternoon appointment or something more local and were told that that was the only option available to them and it was their choice whether to refuse the offer of the vaccine. They actually didn't refuse just asked for an alternative and I think they were being quite reasonable. They have been told they will now have to wait until more vaccine is available because they have refused. |
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"Epsom Racecourse is carrying out 500 vaccinations a day, hoping to rise to 1000 a day soon. My local medical centre is already doing 1100 a day, and far more convenient for over 80s to get to. "
Exactly.
It does seem to be a bit like the nightingales that they are a good idea in theory but not very practical. |
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"I have to say I don't understand the logic of the super vaccination centres at this stage in the roll out.
The vast majority of people that will be offered the vaccine in the next 8 weeks will be in the top 4 categories. So other than frontline nhs staff and care home workers the rest are considered exceptionally vulnerable.
So surely at the moment it is better to distribute the vaccine more locally so it is more accessible For those who need it.
Then as it goes down the groups to have them open then as the people receiving them would in general be able to travel to them.
Hurrah
Finally someone using commonsense...I was starting to question my own sanity
Whilst i understand the need to have mass vaccination centres it does seem like they are jumping the gun a little bit.
Ash's dad and step mum are 81 and 85, he has parkinsons and she is having cancer treatment. They had a phone call the other day and offered an appointment over an hour's drive away at 7:00 p.m in the evening in 3 days time. They explained that that would be very difficult and asked if they could have an afternoon appointment or something more local and were told that that was the only option available to them and it was their choice whether to refuse the offer of the vaccine. They actually didn't refuse just asked for an alternative and I think they were being quite reasonable. They have been told they will now have to wait until more vaccine is available because they have refused. "
Tbh I think the whole thing of these are hazardous and badly thought out...then add too the confusion they have caused with the letters, and as you have mentioned the person on the other end of the phone being unhelpful.
Also Ash's parents vaccine may have been held back purely by trying to herd the over 80s to these remote sites.
Badly thought out in my opinion and I'm astonished the opposition parties haven't flagged this up yet. |
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Ash's dad and step mum are 81 and 85, he has parkinsons and she is having cancer treatment. They had a phone call the other day and offered an appointment over an hour's drive away at 7:00 p.m in the evening in 3 days time. They explained that that would be very difficult and asked if they could have an afternoon appointment or something more local and were told that that was the only option available to them and it was their choice whether to refuse the offer of the vaccine. They actually didn't refuse just asked for an alternative and I think they were being quite reasonable. They have been told they will now have to wait until more vaccine is available because they have refused. "
I think this belies how little thought has gone into the process. Many elderly people do not have the means, or the physical capacity, to get themselves from A to B.
If this happened to one of my elderly relatives then I would be considering dropping a confidential email to The Guardian newspaper as! I suspect, that it will not just be Ash's parents that will have been logged as 'refusing the vaccine'.
https://www.theguardian.com/help/2016/sep/19/how-to-contact-the-guardian-securely
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Ash's dad and step mum are 81 and 85, he has parkinsons and she is having cancer treatment. They had a phone call the other day and offered an appointment over an hour's drive away at 7:00 p.m in the evening in 3 days time. They explained that that would be very difficult and asked if they could have an afternoon appointment or something more local and were told that that was the only option available to them and it was their choice whether to refuse the offer of the vaccine. They actually didn't refuse just asked for an alternative and I think they were being quite reasonable. They have been told they will now have to wait until more vaccine is available because they have refused.
I think this belies how little thought has gone into the process. Many elderly people do not have the means, or the physical capacity, to get themselves from A to B.
If this happened to one of my elderly relatives then I would be considering dropping a confidential email to The Guardian newspaper as! I suspect, that it will not just be Ash's parents that will have been logged as 'refusing the vaccine'.
https://www.theguardian.com/help/2016/sep/19/how-to-contact-the-guardian-securely
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I think they have it sorted now because they have contacted their local GP who is going to try and arrange a more local appointment for them but it seems a lot of hassle for very elderly and humble people. |
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