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https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-nhs-at-breaking-point-and-public-not-listening-to-lockdown-warns-top-doctor-12183248
Heartbreaking story.
Why oh why are people still not taking this seriously, we should be taking more precautions now than we were in March. |
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"https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-nhs-at-breaking-point-and-public-not-listening-to-lockdown-warns-top-doctor-12183248
Heartbreaking story.
Why oh why are people still not taking this seriously, we should be taking more precautions now than we were in March. "
That must be horrific
It appears to be affecting a lot of younger people too. |
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"https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-nhs-at-breaking-point-and-public-not-listening-to-lockdown-warns-top-doctor-12183248
Heartbreaking story.
Why oh why are people still not taking this seriously, we should be taking more precautions now than we were in March.
That must be horrific
It appears to be affecting a lot of younger people too."
Yes, which is worrying on its own. |
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"https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-nhs-at-breaking-point-and-public-not-listening-to-lockdown-warns-top-doctor-12183248
Heartbreaking story.
Why oh why are people still not taking this seriously, we should be taking more precautions now than we were in March.
That must be horrific
It appears to be affecting a lot of younger people too.
Yes, which is worrying on its own. "
On the plus side we may get get less..they are old let them die anyway threads. |
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"https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-nhs-at-breaking-point-and-public-not-listening-to-lockdown-warns-top-doctor-12183248
Heartbreaking story.
Why oh why are people still not taking this seriously, we should be taking more precautions now than we were in March.
That must be horrific
It appears to be affecting a lot of younger people too."
Other than younger people testing positive due to the increased interactions in schools and workplaces, apparently the data does not show that hospitalisations are of any particular concern in younger people and the average age of hospital patients who have Covid is slightly higher now than earlier in the pandemic:
BBC News - Are Covid patients getting younger?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55586994 |
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TODAY we had 6 die in one of our smaller regions hospital, one was a 40 Yr old man, with no health problems....and now we know of 3 people that are family or friends with covid, so yes getting twitchy. |
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As the dominant variant is more infectious now, than in the first wave, we have to have tougher restrictions if we are going to stand a chance to get numbers down. In March nobody was doing anything. Now we have a greater relaxation of things. Johnson seems out of his depth ever more, after last Sunday saying schools would stay open. It's no surprise that people want him gone - though his rabble were chosen for loyalty, not skill, so heaven help us...
Schools are often full just now, providing a breeding ground for it. It can easily get passed to kids of key workers.
People will do what is permitted, so we have to prohibit everything that's not essential. And it means government must deliver alternative solutions that they have had almost a year to produce. |
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"On my first break, we’ve seen 5 deaths so far and 9 hours of shift left to go.  "
Big hugs Charli, I’m on mass testing duties and mass vaccination too next week, we’ve gotta do our bit, anyone who can spare some time needs to head to their local volunteer network they’re crying out for people xx |
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During the first lockdown I suggested that NHS staff should get first access to hairdressers. That didn't happen.
Now, a year in to this nightmare, I suggest that the first week of pubs opening should be restricted to NHS staff. Cos we bloody well need it! |
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"On my first break, we’ve seen 5 deaths so far and 9 hours of shift left to go. "
Are all of these Covid related deaths? I only ask because having seen the NHS data on deaths by hospital trust up to 9th Jan, it seems a lot higher than the official figures for a single day for all being Covid. That's assuming you're at Manchester?
As you are well aware, I am not a Covid denier or otherwise irrational person, I'm a scientist. My question is purely curiosity. |
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"On my first break, we’ve seen 5 deaths so far and 9 hours of shift left to go.
Are all of these Covid related deaths? I only ask because having seen the NHS data on deaths by hospital trust up to 9th Jan, it seems a lot higher than the official figures for a single day for all being Covid. That's assuming you're at Manchester?
As you are well aware, I am not a Covid denier or otherwise irrational person, I'm a scientist. My question is purely curiosity."
As ever it depends on them meeting the time criteria of a “covid death” but to answer in more realistic terms they died after being admitted to our covid wards and suffering from the virus, yes.
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"On my first break, we’ve seen 5 deaths so far and 9 hours of shift left to go.
Are all of these Covid related deaths? I only ask because having seen the NHS data on deaths by hospital trust up to 9th Jan, it seems a lot higher than the official figures for a single day for all being Covid. That's assuming you're at Manchester?
As you are well aware, I am not a Covid denier or otherwise irrational person, I'm a scientist. My question is purely curiosity.
As ever it depends on them meeting the time criteria of a “covid death” but to answer in more realistic terms they died after being admitted to our covid wards and suffering from the virus, yes.
I asked because the data published by the NHS shows 7 Covid deaths for Manchester NHS Foundation Trust between 15th Dec and 8th Jan. That's people with a positive Covid test received.
I got the data here: https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/"
Yes a wonderful chart, you’ll note it shows 715 total deaths for all English trusts combined over the same time period.
As we are all aware the daily combined national totals are in excess of 1000 every single day for the past week, I would suggest looking at the number of zeros across the board there’s likely a delay in reporting or entering these figures.
Whilst not the greatest read, try the MEN that publishes the daily totals for all Manchester trusts daily, you’ll see ourselves and Pennie acute trust (the two busiest in the NW) are rarely under double figures on a daily basis.
Why a science teacher feels the need to scrutinise the figures, I’m not so sure. If I remember correctly you’re not a fan of the Manchester trusts for personal reasons but I’d suggest that challenging the validity of what we as a trust are dealing with currently serves no purpose to be honest.
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"On my first break, we’ve seen 5 deaths so far and 9 hours of shift left to go.
Are all of these Covid related deaths? I only ask because having seen the NHS data on deaths by hospital trust up to 9th Jan, it seems a lot higher than the official figures for a single day for all being Covid. That's assuming you're at Manchester?
As you are well aware, I am not a Covid denier or otherwise irrational person, I'm a scientist. My question is purely curiosity."
Can't beat questioning if some one is making up how many people she has seen die in a day, if she did make it up its best not to question because she is clearly a nutter and if she didn't make it up its best not to question because it's a horrific thing to be dealing with without been asked if your making it up. |
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"On my first break, we’ve seen 5 deaths so far and 9 hours of shift left to go.
Are all of these Covid related deaths? I only ask because having seen the NHS data on deaths by hospital trust up to 9th Jan, it seems a lot higher than the official figures for a single day for all being Covid. That's assuming you're at Manchester?
As you are well aware, I am not a Covid denier or otherwise irrational person, I'm a scientist. My question is purely curiosity. Can't beat questioning if some one is making up how many people she has seen die in a day, if she did make it up its best not to question because she is clearly a nutter and if she didn't make it up its best not to question because it's a horrific thing to be dealing with without been asked if your making it up. "
In reality: she is indeed a complete nutter but... also a truthful one x |
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"mum phoned this morning her aunt passed away this morning from it.old dear was 95 has been unconcious for the last five days so hopefully wasnt suffering"
Sorry to hear that, I think sadly a growing number of us will get to know someone in the coming months.
Hope you’re mum and co are ok.
If she was on the wards she won’t have suffered, the end of life policies are very focused on letting people pass peacefully, she’ll also have had someone with her throughout her final hours x |
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"mum phoned this morning her aunt passed away this morning from it.old dear was 95 has been unconcious for the last five days so hopefully wasnt suffering
Sorry to hear that, I think sadly a growing number of us will get to know someone in the coming months.
Hope you’re mum and co are ok.
If she was on the wards she won’t have suffered, the end of life policies are very focused on letting people pass peacefully, she’ll also have had someone with her throughout her final hours x"
is tird person i know who been taken out by it.yea my mum and that are ok they saw her in some pod thing a cpl months ago at care home she was in floor to ceiling perspex between them.the old dear had a very pragmatic view about it in her own words if i get it i get it im 95 all my freinds have gone and my legs dont work no more.a very blunt talking yorkshire girl |
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"On my first break, we’ve seen 5 deaths so far and 9 hours of shift left to go.
Are all of these Covid related deaths? I only ask because having seen the NHS data on deaths by hospital trust up to 9th Jan, it seems a lot higher than the official figures for a single day for all being Covid. That's assuming you're at Manchester?
As you are well aware, I am not a Covid denier or otherwise irrational person, I'm a scientist. My question is purely curiosity."
I'm in the same boat as you... being a scientist means I am used to reading into everything critically but sadly this just gets you the label of covid denier.
For example, when I read the OP I started wondering how a doctor can possibly know that an increase in numbers of cases appearing in hospital correlates with people not following the rules. What data does he have to suggest that? What data does anyone have to suggest that?
My family have lived a restricted life for ages and months ago I was pretty much expecting this big lockdown to come to see us through winter flu season (and last until at least May). I don't see any reason to think others have not been doing the same.
Correlation is not causation!
I also wonder why fingers are always pointed at schools. My kids weren't asked to self isolate at all last time and in their school of around 1400 there were maybe 10 positive cases in all.
What nobody is talking about is the open borders and lack of government controlled quarantine for those entering the country from abroad. Isn't that like putting the sheep in one corner of the field while leaving the gate open for the fox. It's unfair on all those who have stayed home and closed their businesses/ lost their livelihoods. |
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"On my first break, we’ve seen 5 deaths so far and 9 hours of shift left to go.
Are all of these Covid related deaths? I only ask because having seen the NHS data on deaths by hospital trust up to 9th Jan, it seems a lot higher than the official figures for a single day for all being Covid. That's assuming you're at Manchester?
As you are well aware, I am not a Covid denier or otherwise irrational person, I'm a scientist. My question is purely curiosity.
I'm in the same boat as you... being a scientist means I am used to reading into everything critically but sadly this just gets you the label of covid denier.
For example, when I read the OP I started wondering how a doctor can possibly know that an increase in numbers of cases appearing in hospital correlates with people not following the rules. What data does he have to suggest that? What data does anyone have to suggest that?
My family have lived a restricted life for ages and months ago I was pretty much expecting this big lockdown to come to see us through winter flu season (and last until at least May). I don't see any reason to think others have not been doing the same.
Correlation is not causation!
I also wonder why fingers are always pointed at schools. My kids weren't asked to self isolate at all last time and in their school of around 1400 there were maybe 10 positive cases in all.
What nobody is talking about is the open borders and lack of government controlled quarantine for those entering the country from abroad. Isn't that like putting the sheep in one corner of the field while leaving the gate open for the fox. It's unfair on all those who have stayed home and closed their businesses/ lost their livelihoods."
Got to ask... What school in snowdonia has 1400 pupils? |
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"https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-nhs-at-breaking-point-and-public-not-listening-to-lockdown-warns-top-doctor-12183248
Heartbreaking story.
Why oh why are people still not taking this seriously, we should be taking more precautions now than we were in March. "
Not aiming to diminish anything about the current climate but hasn't the NHS been reported to be at breaking point for over a decade,probably longer. |
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Oh, and to add to my post above, so far in this pandemic, I've also not stopped working. I've tried to donate convalescent plasma at the Plymouth Grove donation centre (rejected as veins too small) and have also volunteered to train as a vaccinator because my qualifications and experience allow. I've volunteered through St John Ambulance but am struggling to navigate the red tape that can't cope with the idea of a person who needs to be seated (wheelchair or chair or stool all fine). I also looked at trying to work in the new mega testing labs at weekends (again, qualified for this), around my usual job, but was rejected because you had to be able to work continental shifts at any time.
You cannot possibly accuse me of diminishing the issue nor of not attempting to assist. |
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"Oh, and to add to my post above, so far in this pandemic, I've also not stopped working. I've tried to donate convalescent plasma at the Plymouth Grove donation centre (rejected as veins too small) and have also volunteered to train as a vaccinator because my qualifications and experience allow. I've volunteered through St John Ambulance but am struggling to navigate the red tape that can't cope with the idea of a person who needs to be seated (wheelchair or chair or stool all fine). I also looked at trying to work in the new mega testing labs at weekends (again, qualified for this), around my usual job, but was rejected because you had to be able to work continental shifts at any time.
You cannot possibly accuse me of diminishing the issue nor of not attempting to assist."
true only thing you can be accused of is trying to pick a fight |
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"Oh, and to add to my post above, so far in this pandemic, I've also not stopped working. I've tried to donate convalescent plasma at the Plymouth Grove donation centre (rejected as veins too small) and have also volunteered to train as a vaccinator because my qualifications and experience allow. I've volunteered through St John Ambulance but am struggling to navigate the red tape that can't cope with the idea of a person who needs to be seated (wheelchair or chair or stool all fine). I also looked at trying to work in the new mega testing labs at weekends (again, qualified for this), around my usual job, but was rejected because you had to be able to work continental shifts at any time.
You cannot possibly accuse me of diminishing the issue nor of not attempting to assist. true only thing you can be accused of is trying to pick a fight "
I've asked about the data and why published NHS figures appear to vary significantly from the evidence of a poster on here. That's not picking a fight, it's asking a question. |
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"On my first break, we’ve seen 5 deaths so far and 9 hours of shift left to go.
Are all of these Covid related deaths? I only ask because having seen the NHS data on deaths by hospital trust up to 9th Jan, it seems a lot higher than the official figures for a single day for all being Covid. That's assuming you're at Manchester?
As you are well aware, I am not a Covid denier or otherwise irrational person, I'm a scientist. My question is purely curiosity.
As ever it depends on them meeting the time criteria of a “covid death” but to answer in more realistic terms they died after being admitted to our covid wards and suffering from the virus, yes.
I asked because the data published by the NHS shows 7 Covid deaths for Manchester NHS Foundation Trust between 15th Dec and 8th Jan. That's people with a positive Covid test received.
I got the data here: https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/"
Your data won't include today's numbers. They'll be included tomorrow or Tuesday probably. It's not like soneone dies and is immediately added to these reports, it requires a death certificate which might take a little bit longer,especially over the weekend x |
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Sounds familiar. Many A&E units have been severely overwhelmed in recent days with patients lying in corridors and Ambulances queuing outside,Hospitals have already been forced to cancel tens of thousands of operations and NHS chiefs fear things will only get worse , on Tuesday Hospitals were ordered to cancel 55,000 non urgent operations and put patients in mixed sex wards , sound familiar ? But this was 3 years ago January 6 2018 under the Headline don’t get ill If you look back at any newspaper archives or Tv news stations you will discover that the NHS had a winter crisis year after year but nobody was ever that interested |
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"Oh, and to add to my post above, so far in this pandemic, I've also not stopped working. I've tried to donate convalescent plasma at the Plymouth Grove donation centre (rejected as veins too small) and have also volunteered to train as a vaccinator because my qualifications and experience allow. I've volunteered through St John Ambulance but am struggling to navigate the red tape that can't cope with the idea of a person who needs to be seated (wheelchair or chair or stool all fine). I also looked at trying to work in the new mega testing labs at weekends (again, qualified for this), around my usual job, but was rejected because you had to be able to work continental shifts at any time.
You cannot possibly accuse me of diminishing the issue nor of not attempting to assist. true only thing you can be accused of is trying to pick a fight
I've asked about the data and why published NHS figures appear to vary significantly from the evidence of a poster on here. That's not picking a fight, it's asking a question. "
Why do you feel the need to question them? Why should they justify there post? And if what the poster said is true is there not a tiny bit of your conscience which thinks I'm going to leave it at that there obviously dealing with a task which most people would buckle under never mind justifying them selves with evidence to back them selves up. just read what they say and if you don't agree leave them to it instead of picking it all to pieces to make your self feel superior. |
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"Oh, and to add to my post above, so far in this pandemic, I've also not stopped working. I've tried to donate convalescent plasma at the Plymouth Grove donation centre (rejected as veins too small) and have also volunteered to train as a vaccinator because my qualifications and experience allow. I've volunteered through St John Ambulance but am struggling to navigate the red tape that can't cope with the idea of a person who needs to be seated (wheelchair or chair or stool all fine). I also looked at trying to work in the new mega testing labs at weekends (again, qualified for this), around my usual job, but was rejected because you had to be able to work continental shifts at any time.
You cannot possibly accuse me of diminishing the issue nor of not attempting to assist. true only thing you can be accused of is trying to pick a fight
I've asked about the data and why published NHS figures appear to vary significantly from the evidence of a poster on here. That's not picking a fight, it's asking a question.
Why do you feel the need to question them? Why should they justify there post? And if what the poster said is true is there not a tiny bit of your conscience which thinks I'm going to leave it at that there obviously dealing with a task which most people would buckle under never mind justifying them selves with evidence to back them selves up. just read what they say and if you don't agree leave them to it instead of picking it all to pieces to make your self feel superior."
I feel the need to question why officially published data in the public realm appears to vary significantly from that reported by another individual because misrepresentation of data (either by the NHS or the individual) is an issue. That's all. I was hoping the answer would be straightforward - the poster was right and there's some nuance in the data published. But seeing as no answer has been given, I'll wait and see.
I'm firmly in the "Covid exists and needs dealing with" camp,that's not the question I asked. |
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"On my first break, we’ve seen 5 deaths so far and 9 hours of shift left to go.
Are all of these Covid related deaths? I only ask because having seen the NHS data on deaths by hospital trust up to 9th Jan, it seems a lot higher than the official figures for a single day for all being Covid. That's assuming you're at Manchester?
As you are well aware, I am not a Covid denier or otherwise irrational person, I'm a scientist. My question is purely curiosity.
As ever it depends on them meeting the time criteria of a “covid death” but to answer in more realistic terms they died after being admitted to our covid wards and suffering from the virus, yes.
I asked because the data published by the NHS shows 7 Covid deaths for Manchester NHS Foundation Trust between 15th Dec and 8th Jan. That's people with a positive Covid test received.
I got the data here: https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/
Yes a wonderful chart, you’ll note it shows 715 total deaths for all English trusts combined over the same time period.
As we are all aware the daily combined national totals are in excess of 1000 every single day for the past week, I would suggest looking at the number of zeros across the board there’s likely a delay in reporting or entering these figures.
Whilst not the greatest read, try the MEN that publishes the daily totals for all Manchester trusts daily, you’ll see ourselves and Pennie acute trust (the two busiest in the NW) are rarely under double figures on a daily basis.
Why a science teacher feels the need to scrutinise the figures, I’m not so sure. If I remember correctly you’re not a fan of the Manchester trusts for personal reasons but I’d suggest that challenging the validity of what we as a trust are dealing with currently serves no purpose to be honest.
Charli, I'm just reading the data that's published.
The MEN yesterday published there were 22 deaths across the NW with zero mentioned for Manchester NHS Trust. Eight at Pennine and single digits in all other hospitals. That was yesterday (9th January): https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/22-more-people-died-coronavirus-19594461
Yes, I'm a science teacher at foundation degree level and a microbiology graduate. I have a former career in the pharmaceutical industry and am simply interested in this disease as a microbiologist. It's a very new disease and I wouldn't be a scientist if I wasn't curious about it. I follow the peer reviewed literature.
You have seen that everything I have posted on the topic of Covid is scientifically valid and truthful. I have posted the ingredients of both vaccines with layman's explanations of them. I have explained how mutations arise and the impact of them on the virus.
I've had Covid myself, as has Mr KC and I've got absolutely no doubt it's real and a huge problem. What I do have a problem with is where reports from Person A do not correlate with the factual data published by the NHS (and also reproduced in the local paper, the MEN).
My local hospital has its data published daily in the local paper too, and yesterday this figure was 4 (confirmed by the MEN article above also).
I have no personal issues with Manchester NHS Trust, the trust that performed my gynaecological surgery in August. I have had poor experiences with Salford NHS Trust, which I have not mentioned.
Have a good day."
Looking at the MEN post they haven’t published our figure for yesterday, I suggest check them on Monday or have a look at previous days of the week and question the zero.
Also don’t brush over the fact I’ve just pointed out your previous source has national deaths at less than 800 since December and therefore is obviously wildly incorrect at this time. You questioned a point, I’ve given a very clear and easily understood answer.
I have no idea why you are quite obviously hell bent on trying to undermine the true positions of My trust but a simple review of widely published figures (814 below 28 day deaths and in reality around 1400 including those over) makes it pretty obvious what a perilous position we have been and are in.
I’m sorry if your partner has issues with the trust and any particular doctor in the past at Salford but stop feeding a mythical scenario where we are doing nothing when the reality is we are dealing with death on an unprecedented scale for both our trust and department.
Concentrate on the education of the kids under your charge and I’ll do likewise for my patients.
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"https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-nhs-at-breaking-point-and-public-not-listening-to-lockdown-warns-top-doctor-12183248
Heartbreaking story.
Why oh why are people still not taking this seriously, we should be taking more precautions now than we were in March.
Not aiming to diminish anything about the current climate but hasn't the NHS been reported to be at breaking point for over a decade,probably longer."
Ever since I qualified as a nurse in the late 1980's it's been the same. The last 10yrs especially so. During the Winter months it is. |
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"On my first break, we’ve seen 5 deaths so far and 9 hours of shift left to go.
Are all of these Covid related deaths? I only ask because having seen the NHS data on deaths by hospital trust up to 9th Jan, it seems a lot higher than the official figures for a single day for all being Covid. That's assuming you're at Manchester?
As you are well aware, I am not a Covid denier or otherwise irrational person, I'm a scientist. My question is purely curiosity.
As ever it depends on them meeting the time criteria of a “covid death” but to answer in more realistic terms they died after being admitted to our covid wards and suffering from the virus, yes.
I asked because the data published by the NHS shows 7 Covid deaths for Manchester NHS Foundation Trust between 15th Dec and 8th Jan. That's people with a positive Covid test received.
I got the data here: https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/
Yes a wonderful chart, you’ll note it shows 715 total deaths for all English trusts combined over the same time period.
As we are all aware the daily combined national totals are in excess of 1000 every single day for the past week, I would suggest looking at the number of zeros across the board there’s likely a delay in reporting or entering these figures.
Whilst not the greatest read, try the MEN that publishes the daily totals for all Manchester trusts daily, you’ll see ourselves and Pennie acute trust (the two busiest in the NW) are rarely under double figures on a daily basis.
Why a science teacher feels the need to scrutinise the figures, I’m not so sure. If I remember correctly you’re not a fan of the Manchester trusts for personal reasons but I’d suggest that challenging the validity of what we as a trust are dealing with currently serves no purpose to be honest.
Charli, I'm just reading the data that's published.
The MEN yesterday published there were 22 deaths across the NW with zero mentioned for Manchester NHS Trust. Eight at Pennine and single digits in all other hospitals. That was yesterday (9th January): https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/22-more-people-died-coronavirus-19594461
Yes, I'm a science teacher at foundation degree level and a microbiology graduate. I have a former career in the pharmaceutical industry and am simply interested in this disease as a microbiologist. It's a very new disease and I wouldn't be a scientist if I wasn't curious about it. I follow the peer reviewed literature.
You have seen that everything I have posted on the topic of Covid is scientifically valid and truthful. I have posted the ingredients of both vaccines with layman's explanations of them. I have explained how mutations arise and the impact of them on the virus.
I've had Covid myself, as has Mr KC and I've got absolutely no doubt it's real and a huge problem. What I do have a problem with is where reports from Person A do not correlate with the factual data published by the NHS (and also reproduced in the local paper, the MEN).
My local hospital has its data published daily in the local paper too, and yesterday this figure was 4 (confirmed by the MEN article above also).
I have no personal issues with Manchester NHS Trust, the trust that performed my gynaecological surgery in August. I have had poor experiences with Salford NHS Trust, which I have not mentioned.
Have a good day.
Looking at the MEN post they haven’t published our figure for yesterday, I suggest check them on Monday or have a look at previous days of the week and question the zero.
Also don’t brush over the fact I’ve just pointed out your previous source has national deaths at less than 800 since December and therefore is obviously wildly incorrect at this time. You questioned a point, I’ve given a very clear and easily understood answer.
I have no idea why you are quite obviously hell bent on trying to undermine the true positions of My trust but a simple review of widely published figures (814 below 28 day deaths and in reality around 1400 including those over) makes it pretty obvious what a perilous position we have been and are in.
I’m sorry if your partner has issues with the trust and any particular doctor in the past at Salford but stop feeding a mythical scenario where we are doing nothing when the reality is we are dealing with death on an unprecedented scale for both our trust and department.
Concentrate on the education of the kids under your charge and I’ll do likewise for my patients.
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By *ye-spyMan
over a year ago
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"Sounds familiar. Many A&E units have been severely overwhelmed in recent days with patients lying in corridors and Ambulances queuing outside,Hospitals have already been forced to cancel tens of thousands of operations and NHS chiefs fear things will only get worse , on Tuesday Hospitals were ordered to cancel 55,000 non urgent operations and put patients in mixed sex wards , sound familiar ? But this was 3 years ago January 6 2018 under the Headline don’t get ill If you look back at any newspaper archives or Tv news stations you will discover that the NHS had a winter crisis year after year but nobody was ever that interested "
From what I have seen the headlines go back every year to 2012 but not sure if they go back further.
just read an article on BBC saying:
In total, NHS hospitals in England have about 7,000 fewer available beds than usual.
I have talked to several nurses from different hospitals in and around London are they are very busy but they are busy when it's flu season.
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"On my first break, we’ve seen 5 deaths so far and 9 hours of shift left to go.
Are all of these Covid related deaths? I only ask because having seen the NHS data on deaths by hospital trust up to 9th Jan, it seems a lot higher than the official figures for a single day for all being Covid. That's assuming you're at Manchester?
As you are well aware, I am not a Covid denier or otherwise irrational person, I'm a scientist. My question is purely curiosity.
I'm in the same boat as you... being a scientist means I am used to reading into everything critically but sadly this just gets you the label of covid denier.
For example, when I read the OP I started wondering how a doctor can possibly know that an increase in numbers of cases appearing in hospital correlates with people not following the rules. What data does he have to suggest that? What data does anyone have to suggest that?
My family have lived a restricted life for ages and months ago I was pretty much expecting this big lockdown to come to see us through winter flu season (and last until at least May). I don't see any reason to think others have not been doing the same.
Correlation is not causation!
I also wonder why fingers are always pointed at schools. My kids weren't asked to self isolate at all last time and in their school of around 1400 there were maybe 10 positive cases in all.
What nobody is talking about is the open borders and lack of government controlled quarantine for those entering the country from abroad. Isn't that like putting the sheep in one corner of the field while leaving the gate open for the fox. It's unfair on all those who have stayed home and closed their businesses/ lost their livelihoods.
Got to ask... What school in snowdonia has 1400 pupils? "
Kids living in the Snowdonia area are likely to travel to Bangor / Conwy etc |
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By *aralewisCouple
over a year ago
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NHS has been at breaking point for years
It’s been under funded for at least the last 10 years and it’s full of people that should be in social care home not in hospital...we’ve seem to have fog gotten that for years the nhs has been under staffed and head of nursing union was saying Boris was talking rubbish about have 1000s more nurses coz a lot of the post are still vacant
So let’s be totally honest we was always going to struggle |
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"NHS has been at breaking point for years
It’s been under funded for at least the last 10 years and it’s full of people that should be in social care home not in hospital...we’ve seem to have fog gotten that for years the nhs has been under staffed and head of nursing union was saying Boris was talking rubbish about have 1000s more nurses coz a lot of the post are still vacant
So let’s be totally honest we was always going to struggle "
But what about nick hancock and his shiny NHS badge? |
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"Sounds familiar. Many A&E units have been severely overwhelmed in recent days with patients lying in corridors and Ambulances queuing outside,Hospitals have already been forced to cancel tens of thousands of operations and NHS chiefs fear things will only get worse , on Tuesday Hospitals were ordered to cancel 55,000 non urgent operations and put patients in mixed sex wards , sound familiar ? But this was 3 years ago January 6 2018 under the Headline don’t get ill If you look back at any newspaper archives or Tv news stations you will discover that the NHS had a winter crisis year after year but nobody was ever that interested
From what I have seen the headlines go back every year to 2012 but not sure if they go back further.
just read an article on BBC saying:
In total, NHS hospitals in England have about 7,000 fewer available beds than usual.
I have talked to several nurses from different hospitals in and around London are they are very busy but they are busy when it's flu season.
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It’s the same every winter but short memory’s |
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"On my first break, we’ve seen 5 deaths so far and 9 hours of shift left to go.
Are all of these Covid related deaths? I only ask because having seen the NHS data on deaths by hospital trust up to 9th Jan, it seems a lot higher than the official figures for a single day for all being Covid. That's assuming you're at Manchester?
As you are well aware, I am not a Covid denier or otherwise irrational person, I'm a scientist. My question is purely curiosity.
I'm in the same boat as you... being a scientist means I am used to reading into everything critically but sadly this just gets you the label of covid denier.
For example, when I read the OP I started wondering how a doctor can possibly know that an increase in numbers of cases appearing in hospital correlates with people not following the rules. What data does he have to suggest that? What data does anyone have to suggest that?
My family have lived a restricted life for ages and months ago I was pretty much expecting this big lockdown to come to see us through winter flu season (and last until at least May). I don't see any reason to think others have not been doing the same.
Correlation is not causation!
I also wonder why fingers are always pointed at schools. My kids weren't asked to self isolate at all last time and in their school of around 1400 there were maybe 10 positive cases in all.
What nobody is talking about is the open borders and lack of government controlled quarantine for those entering the country from abroad. Isn't that like putting the sheep in one corner of the field while leaving the gate open for the fox. It's unfair on all those who have stayed home and closed their businesses/ lost their livelihoods.
Got to ask... What school in snowdonia has 1400 pupils? "
Damn you got me. I'm not in Snowdonia. Should've picked Narnia. I'm actually in Scotland. |
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over a year ago
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"On my first break, we’ve seen 5 deaths so far and 9 hours of shift left to go.
Are all of these Covid related deaths? I only ask because having seen the NHS data on deaths by hospital trust up to 9th Jan, it seems a lot higher than the official figures for a single day for all being Covid. That's assuming you're at Manchester?
As you are well aware, I am not a Covid denier or otherwise irrational person, I'm a scientist. My question is purely curiosity.
I'm in the same boat as you... being a scientist means I am used to reading into everything critically but sadly this just gets you the label of covid denier.
For example, when I read the OP I started wondering how a doctor can possibly know that an increase in numbers of cases appearing in hospital correlates with people not following the rules. What data does he have to suggest that? What data does anyone have to suggest that?
My family have lived a restricted life for ages and months ago I was pretty much expecting this big lockdown to come to see us through winter flu season (and last until at least May). I don't see any reason to think others have not been doing the same.
Correlation is not causation!
I also wonder why fingers are always pointed at schools. My kids weren't asked to self isolate at all last time and in their school of around 1400 there were maybe 10 positive cases in all.
What nobody is talking about is the open borders and lack of government controlled quarantine for those entering the country from abroad. Isn't that like putting the sheep in one corner of the field while leaving the gate open for the fox. It's unfair on all those who have stayed home and closed their businesses/ lost their livelihoods.
Got to ask... What school in snowdonia has 1400 pupils?
Damn you got me. I'm not in Snowdonia. Should've picked Narnia. I'm actually in Scotland. "
Was gonna say, the biggest Ysgol in snowdonia is about 5 pupils lol x |
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By * F 2018Couple
over a year ago
shropshire |
"https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-nhs-at-breaking-point-and-public-not-listening-to-lockdown-warns-top-doctor-12183248
Heartbreaking story.
Why oh why are people still not taking this seriously, we should be taking more precautions now than we were in March. "
I'm still feb up with people still not taking it serious,and if I hear someone say its just a flu !!!! What planet are they on those poor people who have died before their time I read a story from a nurse that was so exhausted we need to all take notice sorry rant over |
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