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"Here we go again. " Im sorry, I'm not as intelligent ad you, i do apologise  | |||
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"It's 10 miles, multiplied by the number of residents in your property, add your age and then divide by the square root of the population of your nearest major town or city.... simple. Otherwise known as "not a fucking clue" "It’s 42 | |||
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"Here we go again. Im sorry, I'm not as intelligent ad you, i do apologise "You take from that a view on your intelligence if you wish, I'm not responsible for your interpretation. Back to the subject tho, seriously do we have to have every single thing we do in black and white easy read format? You know what local means as do I. If folk want to find loopholes then claim ooooo the guidelines aren't clear then so be it but take responsibility for using sense. That's all. | |||
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"Those women in Derbyshire probably thought 5 miles was local. I often run 10+ miles so could easily find myself 5 miles from home (yes I could run in circles). It actually would be better for Govt to provide a definition based on distance. Saying “use common sense” clearly doesn’t work as lots of people lack it. After all 43% of those who voted in Dec 2019 voted for this BJ led shower!" Running from home on a 10 mile or so run seems like common sense as your using the distance for exercise
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"If you need to drive then probably not local...just visit local shops for local people " But a lot of rural places no longer have them, nor post offices etc.. So it's delivery or drive.. We have two small 'local' type shops and there's 4000 plus in the 'village', if that was the only option they would be chocker and soon run out of the basics.. It's safer to drive the 4.3 miles to the supermarket.. | |||
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"If you need to drive then probably not local...just visit local shops for local people But a lot of rural places no longer have them, nor post offices etc.. So it's delivery or drive.. We have two small 'local' type shops and there's 4000 plus in the 'village', if that was the only option they would be chocker and soon run out of the basics.. It's safer to drive the 4.3 miles to the supermarket.." Sorry I was quoting league of gentlemen | |||
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"Those women in Derbyshire probably thought 5 miles was local. I often run 10+ miles so could easily find myself 5 miles from home (yes I could run in circles). It actually would be better for Govt to provide a definition based on distance. Saying “use common sense” clearly doesn’t work as lots of people lack it. After all 43% of those who voted in Dec 2019 voted for this BJ led shower! Running from home on a 10 mile or so run seems like common sense as your using the distance for exercise
Driving 5 miles to go for a walk Is not really "Well I would like to think I/we had common sense but you never know? | |||
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"If you need to drive then probably not local...just visit local shops for local people But a lot of rural places no longer have them, nor post offices etc.. So it's delivery or drive.. We have two small 'local' type shops and there's 4000 plus in the 'village', if that was the only option they would be chocker and soon run out of the basics.. It's safer to drive the 4.3 miles to the supermarket.. Sorry I was quoting league of gentlemen " Aha.. 
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"Here we go again. Im sorry, I'm not as intelligent ad you, i do apologise
You take from that a view on your intelligence if you wish, I'm not responsible for your interpretation. Back to the subject tho, seriously do we have to have every single thing we do in black and white easy read format?
You know what local means as do I. If folk want to find loopholes then claim ooooo the guidelines aren't clear then so be it but take responsibility for using sense.
That's all. "
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"Reality is you can step outside your door and go for a walk around the immediate area and that’s exercise. But you will always get people who have to drive miles to exercise just because they can " | |||
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"Reality is you can step outside your door and go for a walk around the immediate area and that’s exercise. But you will always get people who have to drive miles to exercise just because they can "Ok then .... you can exercise in your home.... stay in! | |||
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"If you need to drive then probably not local...just visit local shops for local people But a lot of rural places no longer have them, nor post offices etc.. So it's delivery or drive.. We have two small 'local' type shops and there's 4000 plus in the 'village', if that was the only option they would be chocker and soon run out of the basics.. It's safer to drive the 4.3 miles to the supermarket.." Wools | |||
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"It's 10 miles, multiplied by the number of residents in your property, add your age and then divide by the square root of the population of your nearest major town or city.... simple. Otherwise known as "no ot a fucking clue" "Is that the ‘not a clue’ rule then. One of many of late.. | |||
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"I feel like if your having to ask does somewhere count as local it probably doesnt" This | |||
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"Surely one of the issues is the rules are so contradictory? You can get on a bus with 20 people. You can go to a shop with potentially 100s of people. You can sit on an office with dozens of people. But you cant get in your car and travel for a few minutes,where there could be fuck all people around and you are in the open air?" A few minutes? Many are travelling miles away. There is no reason to unless you think the rules are not for you or that you just don't like rules It is a pandemic where we are all meant to be thinking of each other and not potentially spreading it around to other areas that we just fancy visiting | |||
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"For me it's the closest supermarket and the closest park. Both less than a mile away. If you're overthinking it then that suggests to me you're trying to bend/ break the rules" | |||
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"Those women in Derbyshire probably thought 5 miles was local. I often run 10+ miles so could easily find myself 5 miles from home (yes I could run in circles). It actually would be better for Govt to provide a definition based on distance. Saying “use common sense” clearly doesn’t work as lots of people lack it. After all 43% of those who voted in Dec 2019 voted for this BJ led shower!" I was thinking this when I saw the ladies from Derby on TV. I will run 20k on an out & back route tomorrow, that’s more than some interpretations of common sense at the best of times! Not mine though, rarely run less than 10k...could still be over someone’s interpretation. | |||
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"If you need to drive then probably not local...just visit local shops for local people But a lot of rural places no longer have them, nor post offices etc.. So it's delivery or drive.. We have two small 'local' type shops and there's 4000 plus in the 'village', if that was the only option they would be chocker and soon run out of the basics.. It's safer to drive the 4.3 miles to the supermarket.. Wools "Oi.. 
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"Surely one of the issues is the rules are so contradictory? You can get on a bus with 20 people. You can go to a shop with potentially 100s of people. You can sit on an office with dozens of people. But you cant get in your car and travel for a few minutes,where there could be fuck all people around and you are in the open air? A few minutes? Many are travelling miles away. There is no reason to unless you think the rules are not for you or that you just don't like rules It is a pandemic where we are all meant to be thinking of each other and not potentially spreading it around to other areas that we just fancy visiting" But surely you are more likely to pick it up in a shop or an office than walking around a park? | |||
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"If you need to drive then probably not local...just visit local shops for local people But a lot of rural places no longer have them, nor post offices etc.. So it's delivery or drive.. We have two small 'local' type shops and there's 4000 plus in the 'village', if that was the only option they would be chocker and soon run out of the basics.. It's safer to drive the 4.3 miles to the supermarket.. Wools
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"Surely one of the issues is the rules are so contradictory? You can get on a bus with 20 people. You can go to a shop with potentially 100s of people. You can sit on an office with dozens of people. But you cant get in your car and travel for a few minutes,where there could be fuck all people around and you are in the open air? A few minutes? Many are travelling miles away. There is no reason to unless you think the rules are not for you or that you just don't like rules It is a pandemic where we are all meant to be thinking of each other and not potentially spreading it around to other areas that we just fancy visiting But surely you are more likely to pick it up in a shop or an office than walking around a park?" The issue isn't about shops or offices, it is about taking the piss with the rules. | |||
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"It's almost like the government are leaving many things open to interpretation rather than be specific on distances etc, which will lead to fingers being pointed.. But not at them.." Sadly yes, this lockdown is nowhere like the first one. When you get people who think it is OK to not use any own common sense or to bend the rule that is there, we have no chance of getting anywhere near back to normal You can see the people who are not sticking to it just because they hate any type of rule so I would blame them too. | |||
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"It's almost like the government are leaving many things open to interpretation rather than be specific on distances etc, which will lead to fingers being pointed.. But not at them.." Surely....you can’t be suggesting...no...I absolutely.... | |||
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"Reality is you can step outside your door and go for a walk around the immediate area and that’s exercise. But you will always get people who have to drive miles to exercise just because they can "if you live in a rough, run down area full of concrete your not going to have the same mental health release as people who happen to live on the doorstep of beauty spots d | |||
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"It's almost like the government are leaving many things open to interpretation rather than be specific on distances etc, which will lead to fingers being pointed.. But not at them.. Sadly yes, this lockdown is nowhere like the first one. When you get people who think it is OK to not use any own common sense or to bend the rule that is there, we have no chance of getting anywhere near back to normal You can see the people who are not sticking to it just because they hate any type of rule so I would blame them too. " I'm probably being cynical and can see from the economic side why they may have changed the criteria as to what is essential and what can stay open.. But the current spread is not being checked and they need to stop dithering and listen to the scientific community and the hospitals.. There needs to be some one getting a grip.. | |||
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"Surely one of the issues is the rules are so contradictory? You can get on a bus with 20 people. You can go to a shop with potentially 100s of people. You can sit on an office with dozens of people. But you cant get in your car and travel for a few minutes,where there could be fuck all people around and you are in the open air? A few minutes? Many are travelling miles away. There is no reason to unless you think the rules are not for you or that you just don't like rules It is a pandemic where we are all meant to be thinking of each other and not potentially spreading it around to other areas that we just fancy visiting But surely you are more likely to pick it up in a shop or an office than walking around a park?" Can see your reasoning but most when outside don’t bother with masks and still don’t understand what 2m is | |||
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"Is it determined in miles, or by the nearest amenities? " If you know you don't need to be there then, that far. All that is being asked is to play within the spirit of the guidelines. And to show some modicum of respect for those who are working to deal with it and to those who are seriously ill with it. And if you believe the whole thing is made up then you are lost to sense anyway. | |||
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"I feel like if your having to ask does somewhere count as local it probably doesnt This "Well if you can drive 5 miles and get out where there's no one about and be fined but, go indoors in s big supermarket with potentially 100 people as stated above, the no! It isn't "this"! | |||
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"10 people have had it now on our office and we are still open. That's not down to people being stupid Business concerns are coming above health." I which case you should take your concerns to your boss | |||
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"Surely one of the issues is the rules are so contradictory? You can get on a bus with 20 people. You can go to a shop with potentially 100s of people. You can sit on an office with dozens of people. But you cant get in your car and travel for a few minutes,where there could be fuck all people around and you are in the open air? A few minutes? Many are travelling miles away. There is no reason to unless you think the rules are not for you or that you just don't like rules It is a pandemic where we are all meant to be thinking of each other and not potentially spreading it around to other areas that we just fancy visiting But surely you are more likely to pick it up in a shop or an office than walking around a park? Can see your reasoning but most when outside don’t bother with masks and still don’t understand what 2m is " But you dont need a mask outside? | |||
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"10 people have had it now on our office and we are still open. That's not down to people being stupid Business concerns are coming above health. I which case you should take your concerns to your boss" A certain floppy haired gentleman... | |||
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"Surely one of the issues is the rules are so contradictory? You can get on a bus with 20 people. You can go to a shop with potentially 100s of people. You can sit on an office with dozens of people. But you cant get in your car and travel for a few minutes,where there could be fuck all people around and you are in the open air? A few minutes? Many are travelling miles away. There is no reason to unless you think the rules are not for you or that you just don't like rules It is a pandemic where we are all meant to be thinking of each other and not potentially spreading it around to other areas that we just fancy visiting But surely you are more likely to pick it up in a shop or an office than walking around a park? Can see your reasoning but most when outside don’t bother with masks and still don’t understand what 2m is But you dont need a mask outside?" It’s your choice to wear one, personally I do as it’s quite hard to keep 2m from someone on a pavement | |||
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"Is it determined in miles, or by the nearest amenities? If you know you don't need to be there then, that far. All that is being asked is to play within the spirit of the guidelines. And to show some modicum of respect for those who are working to deal with it and to those who are seriously ill with it. And if you believe the whole thing is made up then you are lost to sense anyway. " Yes, reasonable travel. Ie closest shop that hss what you need would be my gauge. It threw me when those two wonen were outdoors witb no one around and 5 miles isn't really thst far | |||
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"Surely one of the issues is the rules are so contradictory? You can get on a bus with 20 people. You can go to a shop with potentially 100s of people. You can sit on an office with dozens of people. But you cant get in your car and travel for a few minutes,where there could be fuck all people around and you are in the open air? A few minutes? Many are travelling miles away. There is no reason to unless you think the rules are not for you or that you just don't like rules It is a pandemic where we are all meant to be thinking of each other and not potentially spreading it around to other areas that we just fancy visiting But surely you are more likely to pick it up in a shop or an office than walking around a park? Can see your reasoning but most when outside don’t bother with masks and still don’t understand what 2m is But you dont need a mask outside? It’s your choice to wear one, personally I do as it’s quite hard to keep 2m from someone on a pavement " There was some expert on the radio who said the chances if catching it outside were minimal. | |||
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"10 people have had it now on our office and we are still open. That's not down to people being stupid Business concerns are coming above health. I which case you should take your concerns to your boss A certain floppy haired gentleman... "Go work in my relatives office, he works for the same man and they sent half home in March to make the office Covid safe ( as they can ) They have had a few cases of covid in the office but turns out it because the people broke covid rules themselves so caught it outside work | |||
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"10 people have had it now on our office and we are still open. That's not down to people being stupid Business concerns are coming above health. I which case you should take your concerns to your boss A certain floppy haired gentleman...
Go work in my relatives office, he works for the same man and they sent half home in March to make the office Covid safe ( as they can ) They have had a few cases of covid in the office but turns out it because the people broke covid rules themselves so caught it outside work"People are dropping like flies in here During the 1st one ,1 person had it,and they sent home the entire floor. They just don't seem to be strict this time for some reason. | |||
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"Surely one of the issues is the rules are so contradictory? You can get on a bus with 20 people. You can go to a shop with potentially 100s of people. You can sit on an office with dozens of people. But you cant get in your car and travel for a few minutes,where there could be fuck all people around and you are in the open air? A few minutes? Many are travelling miles away. There is no reason to unless you think the rules are not for you or that you just don't like rules It is a pandemic where we are all meant to be thinking of each other and not potentially spreading it around to other areas that we just fancy visiting But surely you are more likely to pick it up in a shop or an office than walking around a park? Can see your reasoning but most when outside don’t bother with masks and still don’t understand what 2m is But you dont need a mask outside? It’s your choice to wear one, personally I do as it’s quite hard to keep 2m from someone on a pavement There was some expert on the radio who said the chances if catching it outside were minimal." Never mind the radio, they're all on here | |||
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"10 people have had it now on our office and we are still open. That's not down to people being stupid Business concerns are coming above health. I which case you should take your concerns to your boss A certain floppy haired gentleman...
Go work in my relatives office, he works for the same man and they sent half home in March to make the office Covid safe ( as they can ) They have had a few cases of covid in the office but turns out it because the people broke covid rules themselves so caught it outside work"So are you then saying that businesses shouldn’t be covid secure because people are being idiots outside work? | |||
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"Is it determined in miles, or by the nearest amenities? " If you read between the lines one woman actually lives about 30 miles away in Leicestershire. We don’t know how the pair reacted to the police when questioned, where they entitled, rude etc? When all’s said and done the police are trying to deter people from coming into the Peak District and creating larger gatherings. Maybe it was misjudged from one or both sides, yes the guidance is very sketchy but... The Derbyshire police are obviously taking a stance that says “don’t abuse the lockdown rules”, I applaude that, across the country we’d be in a better position if the policing was lower tolerance. | |||
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"Surely one of the issues is the rules are so contradictory? You can get on a bus with 20 people. You can go to a shop with potentially 100s of people. You can sit on an office with dozens of people. But you cant get in your car and travel for a few minutes,where there could be fuck all people around and you are in the open air? A few minutes? Many are travelling miles away. There is no reason to unless you think the rules are not for you or that you just don't like rules It is a pandemic where we are all meant to be thinking of each other and not potentially spreading it around to other areas that we just fancy visiting But surely you are more likely to pick it up in a shop or an office than walking around a park? Can see your reasoning but most when outside don’t bother with masks and still don’t understand what 2m is But you dont need a mask outside? It’s your choice to wear one, personally I do as it’s quite hard to keep 2m from someone on a pavement There was some expert on the radio who said the chances if catching it outside were minimal. Never mind the radio, they're all on here " | |||
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"Is it determined in miles, or by the nearest amenities? If you read between the lines one woman actually lives about 30 miles away in Leicestershire. We don’t know how the pair reacted to the police when questioned, where they entitled, rude etc? When all’s said and done the police are trying to deter people from coming into the Peak District and creating larger gatherings. Maybe it was misjudged from one or both sides, yes the guidance is very sketchy but... The Derbyshire police are obviously taking a stance that says “don’t abuse the lockdown rules”, I applaude that, across the country we’d be in a better position if the policing was lower tolerance. " The fact the police are backtracking doesnt indicate they were rude? And it's not often the police backtrack. | |||
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"10 people have had it now on our office and we are still open. That's not down to people being stupid Business concerns are coming above health. I which case you should take your concerns to your boss A certain floppy haired gentleman...
Go work in my relatives office, he works for the same man and they sent half home in March to make the office Covid safe ( as they can ) They have had a few cases of covid in the office but turns out it because the people broke covid rules themselves so caught it outside work
So are you then saying that businesses shouldn’t be covid secure because people are being idiots outside work?"Wow, I am used to people twisting what people are saying on here but this has to be one of the worst | |||
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"10 people have had it now on our office and we are still open. That's not down to people being stupid Business concerns are coming above health. I which case you should take your concerns to your boss A certain floppy haired gentleman...
Go work in my relatives office, he works for the same man and they sent half home in March to make the office Covid safe ( as they can ) They have had a few cases of covid in the office but turns out it because the people broke covid rules themselves so caught it outside work
So are you then saying that businesses shouldn’t be covid secure because people are being idiots outside work?"that's a big leap | |||
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"The term local is proportional to how good or bad a day the police officer stopping you is having... I could consider anywhere in my county local but that’s not local under the spirit of the rules I think. Personally I would rather people driving 10 miles to walk somewhere with lots of space than spend a hour walking around the high street outside their home. The mental health benefits outweigh the dangers if done sensibly." The spirit of the law is also ridiculously vague. | |||
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"Surely one of the issues is the rules are so contradictory? You can get on a bus with 20 people. You can go to a shop with potentially 100s of people. You can sit on an office with dozens of people. But you cant get in your car and travel for a few minutes,where there could be fuck all people around and you are in the open air? A few minutes? Many are travelling miles away. There is no reason to unless you think the rules are not for you or that you just don't like rules It is a pandemic where we are all meant to be thinking of each other and not potentially spreading it around to other areas that we just fancy visiting But surely you are more likely to pick it up in a shop or an office than walking around a park? Can see your reasoning but most when outside don’t bother with masks and still don’t understand what 2m is But you dont need a mask outside? It’s your choice to wear one, personally I do as it’s quite hard to keep 2m from someone on a pavement There was some expert on the radio who said the chances if catching it outside were minimal." I’m sure.... how many droplets are you walking through as you follow someone who is talking away, running etc. Pavements as slimmer than supermarket aisles, so I keep it on until get to true open space | |||
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"10 people have had it now on our office and we are still open. That's not down to people being stupid Business concerns are coming above health. I which case you should take your concerns to your boss A certain floppy haired gentleman...
Go work in my relatives office, he works for the same man and they sent half home in March to make the office Covid safe ( as they can ) They have had a few cases of covid in the office but turns out it because the people broke covid rules themselves so caught it outside work
People are dropping like flies in here
During the 1st one ,1 person had it,and they sent home the entire floor.
They just don't seem to be strict this time for some reason."To be honest he thinks it won't be as strict this time either, as when those people got covid they all got sent home like yours were. It is why you need to kick up a stink, but it needs to be all of you or it might make you a target to be the first one they let go if they need to lose people | |||
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"10 people have had it now on our office and we are still open. That's not down to people being stupid Business concerns are coming above health. I which case you should take your concerns to your boss A certain floppy haired gentleman...
Go work in my relatives office, he works for the same man and they sent half home in March to make the office Covid safe ( as they can ) They have had a few cases of covid in the office but turns out it because the people broke covid rules themselves so caught it outside work
People are dropping like flies in here
During the 1st one ,1 person had it,and they sent home the entire floor.
They just don't seem to be strict this time for some reason.
To be honest he thinks it won't be as strict this time either, as when those people got covid they all got sent home like yours were.
It is why you need to kick up a stink, but it needs to be all of you or it might make you a target to be the first one they let go if they need to lose people"I'm sure the union will get on the case. | |||
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"If you need to drive then probably not local...just visit local shops for local people " There's a lot of people who can't afford local shop prices due to lack of income from not being able to work. Also there's limited choice in many local stores. I can't buy everything I need in mine and I certainly can't afford to do my main shop there. I have to drive to my local tesco. | |||
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"Is it determined in miles, or by the nearest amenities? If you know you don't need to be there then, that far. All that is being asked is to play within the spirit of the guidelines. And to show some modicum of respect for those who are working to deal with it and to those who are seriously ill with it. And if you believe the whole thing is made up then you are lost to sense anyway. " Local seems relevant to where you live I feel. In London it might mean a half hour to 45min drive or the tube to travel a short distance. Out in the sticks i can jump in my car and travel a fair distance in 10 mins which still feels local. I don't the problem with what the lady in the news was fined about. Where she drove to was not that far and a short drive from home, probably far more able to keep her distance from other peole there than walking out her front door. Physical health seems to be a factor in recovering well from covid. We should be encouraging people to get outdoors, not fining them. | |||
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"Is it determined in miles, or by the nearest amenities? If you know you don't need to be there then, that far. All that is being asked is to play within the spirit of the guidelines. And to show some modicum of respect for those who are working to deal with it and to those who are seriously ill with it. And if you believe the whole thing is made up then you are lost to sense anyway. Local seems relevant to where you live I feel. In London it might mean a half hour to 45min drive or the tube to travel a short distance. Out in the sticks i can jump in my car and travel a fair distance in 10 mins which still feels local. I don't the problem with what the lady in the news was fined about. Where she drove to was not that far and a short drive from home, probably far more able to keep her distance from other peole there than walking out her front door. Physical health seems to be a factor in recovering well from covid. We should be encouraging people to get outdoors, not fining them." | |||
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"Surely by just saying you must stay within your postcode area (first part obvs)." This sounds sensible. | |||
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"The term local is proportional to how good or bad a day the police officer stopping you is having... I could consider anywhere in my county local but that’s not local under the spirit of the rules I think. Personally I would rather people driving 10 miles to walk somewhere with lots of space than spend a hour walking around the high street outside their home. The mental health benefits outweigh the dangers if done sensibly." | |||
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"The fact the police are backtracking doesnt indicate they were rude? And it's not often the police backtrack." They had to backtrack during the first lockdown after using a drone to spot walkers too... As everyone on here is agreeing the guidelines and more importantly the law are really sketchy. The point I’m making is the police when trying to make a big difference and are being criticised, dragged through the press for their proactive and good intent. In the long run that probably means they will be more cautious and less effective. Personally I feel we should cut them some slack, if there’s a criticism here it’s the guidance they are given was poor. Read any of Scotland’s lockdown rules, Sturgeon is so direct, it’s all simply put: what you can do, what you can’t do... politically I’m not sure I like her but her handling of lockdown is something England can learn from. | |||
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"The fact the police are backtracking doesnt indicate they were rude? And it's not often the police backtrack. They had to backtrack during the first lockdown after using a drone to spot walkers too... As everyone on here is agreeing the guidelines and more importantly the law are really sketchy. The point I’m making is the police when trying to make a big difference and are being criticised, dragged through the press for their proactive and good intent. In the long run that probably means they will be more cautious and less effective. Personally I feel we should cut them some slack, if there’s a criticism here it’s the guidance they are given was poor. Read any of Scotland’s lockdown rules, Sturgeon is so direct, it’s all simply put: what you can do, what you can’t do... politically I’m not sure I like her but her handling of lockdown is something England can learn from. " She is direct and gets her point across well. I quite like her. | |||
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"The fact the police are backtracking doesnt indicate they were rude? And it's not often the police backtrack. They had to backtrack during the first lockdown after using a drone to spot walkers too... As everyone on here is agreeing the guidelines and more importantly the law are really sketchy. The point I’m making is the police when trying to make a big difference and are being criticised, dragged through the press for their proactive and good intent. In the long run that probably means they will be more cautious and less effective. Personally I feel we should cut them some slack, if there’s a criticism here it’s the guidance they are given was poor. Read any of Scotland’s lockdown rules, Sturgeon is so direct, it’s all simply put: what you can do, what you can’t do... politically I’m not sure I like her but her handling of lockdown is something England can learn from. She is direct and gets her point across well. I quite like her." Shes lost the plot. Talking of closing takeaways and limiting supermarket opening hours will force people closer together surely.  | |||
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"Those women in Derbyshire probably thought 5 miles was local. I often run 10+ miles so could easily find myself 5 miles from home (yes I could run in circles). It actually would be better for Govt to provide a definition based on distance. Saying “use common sense” clearly doesn’t work as lots of people lack it. After all 43% of those who voted in Dec 2019 voted for this BJ led shower!" i think distance doesnt work because in a city 5 miles might be more than necessary but people have posted on here that live more rural and they need to go that far just to get to shops i think it would be better to advise that exercise or walking your dog etc should be done starting from your home without the use of a vehicle | |||
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"The fact the police are backtracking doesnt indicate they were rude? And it's not often the police backtrack. They had to backtrack during the first lockdown after using a drone to spot walkers too... As everyone on here is agreeing the guidelines and more importantly the law are really sketchy. The point I’m making is the police when trying to make a big difference and are being criticised, dragged through the press for their proactive and good intent. In the long run that probably means they will be more cautious and less effective. Personally I feel we should cut them some slack, if there’s a criticism here it’s the guidance they are given was poor. Read any of Scotland’s lockdown rules, Sturgeon is so direct, it’s all simply put: what you can do, what you can’t do... politically I’m not sure I like her but her handling of lockdown is something England can learn from. " Got to agree there, whatever your opinion on Derbyshire police & their actions, they have left little room for ambiguity. ‘Sorry officer , I didn’t know..’ oh really! | |||
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" Got to agree there, whatever your opinion on Derbyshire police & their actions, they have left little room for ambiguity. ‘Sorry officer , I didn’t know..’ oh really!" Well. Not really. Many Police Forces have interoperated the guidelines in their own way. Staffordshire Police said they will ignore the guidelines at one point and do what they wanted to. Then later they said we aren't going to do that much. Derbyshire Police have come under fire at least twice for over zealous covid Policing. | |||
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"Is it determined in miles, or by the nearest amenities? " The situation hasn't been helped by several MPs and othe Officials have made statements saying that "the rules do not specify any restrictions on distance" Cal | |||
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"Is it determined in miles, or by the nearest amenities? The situation hasn't been helped by several MPs and othe Officials have made statements saying that "the rules do not specify any restrictions on distance" Cal" No but one's common sense and intelligence can surely make a determination. Outside my front door... To wherever I can walk to in 30 minutes. | |||
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"According to the news, certain people from Leicester and Liverpool, think Snowdonia is local! " Yes they have closed all car parks there now | |||
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" Got to agree there, whatever your opinion on Derbyshire police & their actions, they have left little room for ambiguity. ‘Sorry officer , I didn’t know..’ oh really! Well. Not really. Many Police Forces have interoperated the guidelines in their own way. Staffordshire Police said they will ignore the guidelines at one point and do what they wanted to. Then later they said we aren't going to do that much. Derbyshire Police have come under fire at least twice for over zealous covid Policing. " Like I said Derbyshire...unambiguous, might not be popular, but you know where you are & maybe where you shouldn’t be. | |||
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"According to the news, certain people from Leicester and Liverpool, think Snowdonia is local! " That's home schooling for you | |||
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"Here we go again. Im sorry, I'm not as intelligent ad you, i do apologise
You take from that a view on your intelligence if you wish, I'm not responsible for your interpretation. Back to the subject tho, seriously do we have to have every single thing we do in black and white easy read format?
You know what local means as do I. If folk want to find loopholes then claim ooooo the guidelines aren't clear then so be it but take responsibility for using sense.
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"Surely one of the issues is the rules are so contradictory? You can get on a bus with 20 people. You can go to a shop with potentially 100s of people. You can sit on an office with dozens of people. But you cant get in your car and travel for a few minutes,where there could be fuck all people around and you are in the open air? A few minutes? Many are travelling miles away. There is no reason to unless you think the rules are not for you or that you just don't like rules It is a pandemic where we are all meant to be thinking of each other and not potentially spreading it around to other areas that we just fancy visiting" So how exactly is travelling half hour and walking or fishing in solitude SPREADING anything? Control the virus Avoid people 
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"Surely by just saying you must stay within your postcode area (first part obvs)." That is probably a good idea, most of us would have somewhere within your own postcode to go for a walk etc | |||
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"The women were not fishing, but if they were and were miles away from home then they would be doing what we are asked not to do I can't keep saying it to people who really want to bend or break the rules that are asked of us...do what you like, it is entirely up to you, but just don't whinge if it gets you a fine like the two women or people call you selfish" Forget made up rules for a second I live 8 miles away from there How am I spreading the virus if I drive half an hour and the walk for 7 avoiding others Control the virus Avoid other humans | |||
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"The women were not fishing, but if they were and were miles away from home then they would be doing what we are asked not to do I can't keep saying it to people who really want to bend or break the rules that are asked of us...do what you like, it is entirely up to you, but just don't whinge if it gets you a fine like the two women or people call you selfish Forget made up rules for a second I live 8 miles away from there How am I spreading the virus if I drive half an hour and the walk for 7 avoiding others Control the virus Avoid other humans " and if everyone in an 8 mile radius has the same thought ? what then ? | |||
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" Forget made up rules for a second I live 8 miles away from there How am I spreading the virus if I drive half an hour and the walk for 7 avoiding others Control the virus Avoid other humans " not sure it would constitute as necessary travel though | |||
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"The women were not fishing, but if they were and were miles away from home then they would be doing what we are asked not to do I can't keep saying it to people who really want to bend or break the rules that are asked of us...do what you like, it is entirely up to you, but just don't whinge if it gets you a fine like the two women or people call you selfish Forget made up rules for a second I live 8 miles away from there How am I spreading the virus if I drive half an hour and the walk for 7 avoiding others Control the virus Avoid other humans and if everyone in an 8 mile radius has the same thought ? what then ? " Well personally then I'd travel further to a quiet spot i don't much like company walking I've been avoiding people fir decades But if we are objectively talking about controlling the virus by avoid humans then I'd much prefer everyone in an 8 mile radius get lost in a 500 acre woodland than go to firkin home bargains | |||
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"The women were not fishing, but if they were and were miles away from home then they would be doing what we are asked not to do I can't keep saying it to people who really want to bend or break the rules that are asked of us...do what you like, it is entirely up to you, but just don't whinge if it gets you a fine like the two women or people call you selfish Forget made up rules for a second I live 8 miles away from there How am I spreading the virus if I drive half an hour and the walk for 7 avoiding others Control the virus Avoid other humans " If there were to forget the rules as if there wasn't any the question is irrelevant It seems beauty spots have had to be closed off because there were so many people going there, if everyone has the same idea then it could be spread further, but I think you know this but just don't want to stick to any rules set It all helps to spread the virus more when people won't do as asked...as I say, selfish or just people playing a Wolfie Smith act | |||
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" Forget made up rules for a second I live 8 miles away from there How am I spreading the virus if I drive half an hour and the walk for 7 avoiding others Control the virus Avoid other humans not sure it would constitute as necessary travel though" Surely, in some cases, it's better for people to travel (a short diatance) to a less crowded area to exercise than clog up the local park? | |||
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" Forget made up rules for a second I live 8 miles away from there How am I spreading the virus if I drive half an hour and the walk for 7 avoiding others Control the virus Avoid other humans not sure it would constitute as necessary travel though Surely, in some cases, it's better for people to travel (a short diatance) to a less crowded area to exercise than clog up the local park?" That is way to sensible ! If you live in a flat in a block of flats in an estate, stay in the block with others, stay in the estate with others, or drive to a park on the edge of town. Just don't try to apply anything remotely sensible to some of the rules. Just avoid people !!!!!! | |||
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"Is it determined in miles, or by the nearest amenities? The situation hasn't been helped by several MPs and othe Officials have made statements saying that "the rules do not specify any restrictions on distance" Cal No but one's common sense and intelligence can surely make a determination. Outside my front door... To wherever I can walk to in 30 minutes. " what about if outside your door is an inner city ghetto... | |||
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"The fact that there has been about 3 threads on it clearly indicates there is some confusion. And I wouldnt be surprised if the police were in the same boat.. hence the backtracking." I'm not sure there's confusion. I think it's an opportunity for people to exploit it. Stay at home. Stop spreading the virus. As someone said above... We know what spreads it. So not sure why we all need to argue and be pedantic. I'd encourage everyone to pick up a great big baseball bat and take them with them when they go out. That way people will realise they need to keep their distance. | |||
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"The fact that there has been about 3 threads on it clearly indicates there is some confusion. And I wouldnt be surprised if the police were in the same boat.. hence the backtracking. I'm not sure there's confusion. I think it's an opportunity for people to exploit it. Stay at home. Stop spreading the virus. As someone said above... We know what spreads it. So not sure why we all need to argue and be pedantic. I'd encourage everyone to pick up a great big baseball bat and take them with them when they go out. That way people will realise they need to keep their distance. " 3 sepeetate threads on what constitutes "local'would suggest otherwise How can you stay at home when you have to go to work? | |||
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"The term local is proportional to how good or bad a day the police officer stopping you is having... I could consider anywhere in my county local but that’s not local under the spirit of the rules I think. Personally I would rather people driving 10 miles to walk somewhere with lots of space than spend a hour walking around the high street outside their home. The mental health benefits outweigh the dangers if done sensibly." Hear, hear. One of the most rational posts I have read so far. 'Sensibly' resonates a lot better with me than the constantly invoked 'Common sense'. I stopped worshipping common sense at roughly the same time I decided to not waste any of my time thinking about God (the chap, by the way, who logic dictates must have created every virus so far for the benefit of the species he allegedly cares so much about). Common sense nearly always means 'the way I go about doing things, even though I might be a total and utter pillock' and thus can be extremely diverse in its manifestation. For example, it is hardly 'common sense' to make blanket assumptions that everyone lives somewhere suitable for taking exercise on the doorstep. or to make assumptions that everyone lives in the exact centre of their postcode area.I am two houses away from a completely different one. Should I not cross the boundary as one poster is suggesting? Sensible behaviour, however, is more likely to stand out as such on its own merits. If the police don't use sensible behaviour all they will do is undermine their own credibility. Exactly as will families whose interpretation of support bubble includes any of probably 30 or more extended clan members selectable, whenever convenient, as visitable. I've never found being a cynic a bad idea! | |||
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"The fact that there has been about 3 threads on it clearly indicates there is some confusion. And I wouldnt be surprised if the police were in the same boat.. hence the backtracking. I'm not sure there's confusion. I think it's an opportunity for people to exploit it. Stay at home. Stop spreading the virus. As someone said above... We know what spreads it. So not sure why we all need to argue and be pedantic. I'd encourage everyone to pick up a great big baseball bat and take them with them when they go out. That way people will realise they need to keep their distance. 3 sepeetate threads on what constitutes "local'would suggest otherwise How can you stay at home when you have to go to work?" The discussions not about going to work is it? | |||
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"The fact that there has been about 3 threads on it clearly indicates there is some confusion. And I wouldnt be surprised if the police were in the same boat.. hence the backtracking. I'm not sure there's confusion. I think it's an opportunity for people to exploit it. Stay at home. Stop spreading the virus. " | |||
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"The fact that there has been about 3 threads on it clearly indicates there is some confusion. And I wouldnt be surprised if the police were in the same boat.. hence the backtracking. I'm not sure there's confusion. I think it's an opportunity for people to exploit it. Stay at home. Stop spreading the virus. As someone said above... We know what spreads it. So not sure why we all need to argue and be pedantic. I'd encourage everyone to pick up a great big baseball bat and take them with them when they go out. That way people will realise they need to keep their distance. 3 sepeetate threads on what constitutes "local'would suggest otherwise How can you stay at home when you have to go to work? The discussions not about going to work is it? " No but you said ..stay at home Stop the spread..some people cant do this. I do think some people are taking the piss..I think others are genuinely not. | |||
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"The fact that there has been about 3 threads on it clearly indicates there is some confusion. And I wouldnt be surprised if the police were in the same boat.. hence the backtracking. I'm not sure there's confusion. I think it's an opportunity for people to exploit it. Stay at home. Stop spreading the virus. As someone said above... We know what spreads it. So not sure why we all need to argue and be pedantic. I'd encourage everyone to pick up a great big baseball bat and take them with them when they go out. That way people will realise they need to keep their distance. 3 sepeetate threads on what constitutes "local'would suggest otherwise How can you stay at home when you have to go to work? The discussions not about going to work is it? " Well our local police station is 7 miles away, so as defined by police, 7 miles it is!  | |||
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"The fact that there has been about 3 threads on it clearly indicates there is some confusion. And I wouldnt be surprised if the police were in the same boat.. hence the backtracking. I'm not sure there's confusion. I think it's an opportunity for people to exploit it. Stay at home. Stop spreading the virus. As someone said above... We know what spreads it. So not sure why we all need to argue and be pedantic. I'd encourage everyone to pick up a great big baseball bat and take them with them when they go out. That way people will realise they need to keep their distance. 3 sepeetate threads on what constitutes "local'would suggest otherwise How can you stay at home when you have to go to work? The discussions not about going to work is it? Well our local police station is 7 miles away, so as defined by police, 7 miles it is! "I live in the metropolitan borough of a huge town and our nearest police station is over 6 miles away. The one nearer was mothballed. I don't think using open police stations as a yardstick is very helpful | |||
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"Those women in Derbyshire probably thought 5 miles was local. I often run 10+ miles so could easily find myself 5 miles from home (yes I could run in circles). It actually would be better for Govt to provide a definition based on distance. Saying “use common sense” clearly doesn’t work as lots of people lack it. After all 43% of those who voted in Dec 2019 voted for this BJ led shower! Running from home on a 10 mile or so run seems like common sense as your using the distance for exercise
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"Those women in Derbyshire probably thought 5 miles was local. I often run 10+ miles so could easily find myself 5 miles from home (yes I could run in circles). It actually would be better for Govt to provide a definition based on distance. Saying “use common sense” clearly doesn’t work as lots of people lack it. After all 43% of those who voted in Dec 2019 voted for this BJ led shower! Running from home on a 10 mile or so run seems like common sense as your using the distance for exercise
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Lets be honest they drove to get a hot drink first, so what exercise were they planning. They clearly intended to sit and have a natter.
"I'm not saying that I feel it is ok, or that it should be encouraged, I'm just commenting on the legal aspect of it. Unless I miss understand the rules they are perfectly in order to both of buy a drink and sit and have a natter. The below is copied from the updated government website. "Can I meet people outside in a park or garden in England and Scotland? Official advice states that ‘in general’ you should try and limit the time spent outside your home and ‘you must not meet people socially’. However, the government has also stated that an exception to this rule is that you can meet one other person, who is not in your household or support bubble, outside in a public space. This would include parks, commons and other public outdoor spaces but does not include private outdoor spaces such as gardens. The rules state: ‘You can exercise or meet in a public, outdoors space with people you live with, your support bubble (or as part of a childcare bubble), or with one other person.’ Children under 5, as well as disabled people dependent on round-the-clock care are not counted towards the limit on two people meeting outside. If you are meeting someone from outside your household in a public space outdoors, you must stay two meters away from them at all times. These lockdown rules only affect England. Northern Ireland, Wales, and Scotland have implemented their own coronavirus safety restrictions independently." As I understand it you are permitted to meet one person in a public place outdoors and socially distant. It doesn't say as I understand it it that you are not allowed to sit down, or have a drink during meeting them. | |||
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"I'm not saying that I feel it is ok, or that it should be encouraged, I'm just commenting on the legal aspect of it. Unless I miss understand the rules they are perfectly in order to both of buy a drink and sit and have a natter. The below is copied from the updated government website. "Can I meet people outside in a park or garden in England and Scotland? Official advice states that ‘in general’ you should try and limit the time spent outside your home and ‘you must not meet people socially’. However, the government has also stated that an exception to this rule is that you can meet one other person, who is not in your household or support bubble, outside in a public space. This would include parks, commons and other public outdoor spaces but does not include private outdoor spaces such as gardens. The rules state: ‘You can exercise or meet in a public, outdoors space with people you live with, your support bubble (or as part of a childcare bubble), or with one other person.’ Children under 5, as well as disabled people dependent on round-the-clock care are not counted towards the limit on two people meeting outside. If you are meeting someone from outside your household in a public space outdoors, you must stay two meters away from them at all times. These lockdown rules only affect England. Northern Ireland, Wales, and Scotland have implemented their own coronavirus safety restrictions independently." As I understand it you are permitted to meet one person in a public place outdoors and socially distant. It doesn't say as I understand it it that you are not allowed to sit down, or have a drink during meeting them." The rules seem very clear to me on the gov website - https://www.gov.uk/guidance/national-lockdown-stay-at-home#meeting-other-people "It is against the law to meet socially with family or friends unless they are part of your household or support bubble. You cannot leave home for recreational or leisure purposes (such as for a picnic or a social meeting)." The rules for exercising do allow you to meet with one person, that's a fair point. However, those two women were clearly not about to jog around the reservoir carrying cups of coffee, so they were percieved by the Police in attendance to be meeting socially. Which they are not allowed to do. One of them lives nine miles away and drove to her friends house which was five miles from the reservoir, then they drove through two villages to get to the 'local' reservoir. What I do find funny in this whole situation is that when interviewed by Sky News one of them said that they "decided to go to the reservoir rather than go to a supermarket or garden centre". If they wanted to exercise they wouldn't go to a supermarket or garden centre, so clearly exercise wasn't the reason they were meeting up. | |||
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"The fact that there has been about 3 threads on it clearly indicates there is some confusion. And I wouldnt be surprised if the police were in the same boat.. hence the backtracking. I'm not sure there's confusion. I think it's an opportunity for people to exploit it. Stay at home. Stop spreading the virus. As someone said above... We know what spreads it. So not sure why we all need to argue and be pedantic. I'd encourage everyone to pick up a great big baseball bat and take them with them when they go out. That way people will realise they need to keep their distance. 3 sepeetate threads on what constitutes "local'would suggest otherwise How can you stay at home when you have to go to work? The discussions not about going to work is it? Well our local police station is 7 miles away, so as defined by police, 7 miles it is!
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"I'm not saying that I feel it is ok, or that it should be encouraged, I'm just commenting on the legal aspect of it. Unless I miss understand the rules they are perfectly in order to both of buy a drink and sit and have a natter. The below is copied from the updated government website. "Can I meet people outside in a park or garden in England and Scotland? Official advice states that ‘in general’ you should try and limit the time spent outside your home and ‘you must not meet people socially’. However, the government has also stated that an exception to this rule is that you can meet one other person, who is not in your household or support bubble, outside in a public space. This would include parks, commons and other public outdoor spaces but does not include private outdoor spaces such as gardens. The rules state: ‘You can exercise or meet in a public, outdoors space with people you live with, your support bubble (or as part of a childcare bubble), or with one other person.’ Children under 5, as well as disabled people dependent on round-the-clock care are not counted towards the limit on two people meeting outside. If you are meeting someone from outside your household in a public space outdoors, you must stay two meters away from them at all times. These lockdown rules only affect England. Northern Ireland, Wales, and Scotland have implemented their own coronavirus safety restrictions independently." As I understand it you are permitted to meet one person in a public place outdoors and socially distant. It doesn't say as I understand it it that you are not allowed to sit down, or have a drink during meeting them. The rules seem very clear to me on the gov website - https://www.gov.uk/guidance/national-lockdown-stay-at-home#meeting-other-people "It is against the law to meet socially with family or friends unless they are part of your household or support bubble. You cannot leave home for recreational or leisure purposes (such as for a picnic or a social meeting)." The rules for exercising do allow you to meet with one person, that's a fair point. However, those two women were clearly not about to jog around the reservoir carrying cups of coffee, so they were percieved by the Police in attendance to be meeting socially. Which they are not allowed to do. One of them lives nine miles away and drove to her friends house which was five miles from the reservoir, then they drove through two villages to get to the 'local' reservoir. What I do find funny in this whole situation is that when interviewed by Sky News one of them said that they "decided to go to the reservoir rather than go to a supermarket or garden centre". If they wanted to exercise they wouldn't go to a supermarket or garden centre, so clearly exercise wasn't the reason they were meeting up. " It also depends on who you are. If it was Dominic Cummings he could drive 100s of miles to get a coffee, AND... get a pay rise. To make it clear for the public and police, so theres no ambiguity, people wlshould stay in the 1st part of their postcode, SR7 for me | |||
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"I'm not saying that I feel it is ok, or that it should be encouraged, I'm just commenting on the legal aspect of it. Unless I miss understand the rules they are perfectly in order to both of buy a drink and sit and have a natter. The below is copied from the updated government website. "Can I meet people outside in a park or garden in England and Scotland? Official advice states that ‘in general’ you should try and limit the time spent outside your home and ‘you must not meet people socially’. However, the government has also stated that an exception to this rule is that you can meet one other person, who is not in your household or support bubble, outside in a public space. This would include parks, commons and other public outdoor spaces but does not include private outdoor spaces such as gardens. The rules state: ‘You can exercise or meet in a public, outdoors space with people you live with, your support bubble (or as part of a childcare bubble), or with one other person.’ Children under 5, as well as disabled people dependent on round-the-clock care are not counted towards the limit on two people meeting outside. If you are meeting someone from outside your household in a public space outdoors, you must stay two meters away from them at all times. These lockdown rules only affect England. Northern Ireland, Wales, and Scotland have implemented their own coronavirus safety restrictions independently." As I understand it you are permitted to meet one person in a public place outdoors and socially distant. It doesn't say as I understand it it that you are not allowed to sit down, or have a drink during meeting them. The rules seem very clear to me on the gov website - https://www.gov.uk/guidance/national-lockdown-stay-at-home#meeting-other-people "It is against the law to meet socially with family or friends unless they are part of your household or support bubble. You cannot leave home for recreational or leisure purposes (such as for a picnic or a social meeting)." The rules for exercising do allow you to meet with one person, that's a fair point. However, those two women were clearly not about to jog around the reservoir carrying cups of coffee, so they were percieved by the Police in attendance to be meeting socially. Which they are not allowed to do. One of them lives nine miles away and drove to her friends house which was five miles from the reservoir, then they drove through two villages to get to the 'local' reservoir. What I do find funny in this whole situation is that when interviewed by Sky News one of them said that they "decided to go to the reservoir rather than go to a supermarket or garden centre". If they wanted to exercise they wouldn't go to a supermarket or garden centre, so clearly exercise wasn't the reason they were meeting up. It also depends on who you are. If it was Dominic Cummings he could drive 100s of miles to get a coffee, AND... get a pay rise. To make it clear for the public and police, so theres no ambiguity, people wlshould stay in the 1st part of their postcode, SR7 for me "We all know what we are trying to achieve here. We all know why. Its serious. If we all stick to that we will be fine. Yes cummings yawn... Fuck me how old are we? 6? But you did it so I want to... We can all find excuses and precedent and loopholes if we want to... But the celebs, but the footballers, but the pop stars, but the politicians.... But does that help at all? Do the right thing. We all k ow what it is by now. And if we need to question it... 99 out of 100 times we shouldn't do it. | |||
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"I got back from a walk with my daughter not so long ago. We left our house to walk to my local woods, around 10 minutes. Judging by the amount of cars parked on the side of the road I'd say there were many people there who weren't 'local'. In the first lockdown the owner of the area closed it off, it didn't go down well but was needed. Local to me is somewhere you can walk to in, say, 30 mins." What if you are disabled? You use the car to get to the park so you can then manage to walk round it. Or young fit people can jog 10 miles but old gits have to stay in their garden? | |||
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"I got back from a walk with my daughter not so long ago. We left our house to walk to my local woods, around 10 minutes. Judging by the amount of cars parked on the side of the road I'd say there were many people there who weren't 'local'. In the first lockdown the owner of the area closed it off, it didn't go down well but was needed. Local to me is somewhere you can walk to in, say, 30 mins. What if you are disabled? You use the car to get to the park so you can then manage to walk round it. Or young fit people can jog 10 miles but old gits have to stay in their garden? "Yep there's always "reasons" it's why the rates are still going up. | |||
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"Those women in Derbyshire probably thought 5 miles was local. I often run 10+ miles so could easily find myself 5 miles from home (yes I could run in circles). It actually would be better for Govt to provide a definition based on distance. Saying “use common sense” clearly doesn’t work as lots of people lack it. After all 43% of those who voted in Dec 2019 voted for this BJ led shower! Running from home on a 10 mile or so run seems like common sense as your using the distance for exercise
Driving 5 miles to go for a walk Is not really
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Lets be honest they drove to get a hot drink first, so what exercise were they planning. They clearly intended to sit and have a natter.
"i think the hot drink probably had nothing to do with it , walking is exercise and you can walk and drink a coffee i do think the things they said in their interview though made it obvious - we came here instead of a supermarket- didn’t realise people exercises in supermarkets and something about them looking forward to getting to see each other for their anxiety in the grand scheme of things what they did wasn’t the worst thing in the world , but the reason we keep getting more rules is exactly what the police said “not in the spirit of lockdown” - people might not be outright breaking the law, but they are stretching to things they don’t need to do within that law ... its the old give an inch tale a mile ... the virus rates now are as bad as last march but compliance with lockdown no where near as close... the streets and parks are full i think the police were trying to send a message that enforcement of rules would happen but in the end the publicity and likely over turn has been counter productive as now people will think nah the police wont touch us its not worth it for them | |||
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" To make it clear for the public and police, so theres no ambiguity, people wlshould stay in the 1st part of their postcode, SR7 for me I have pointed out earlier that it is not unusual to live right on the postcode boundary. It would be fatuous to prevent someone moving the distance of two houses in one direction whilst it is perfectly legitimate to go many miles in the opposite direction, quite likely into territory they've absolutely no affinity with. Far too many ill thought through bright ideas coming out when the simple criterion should be "Don't take unnecessary risk" and leave it at that. If the problem is a surfeit of prats, then they should make it an offence to be prat! " the problem is your bright idea is also ill thought out because it is wide open to interpretation which is how this incident and discussion has arisen in the first place some laws are ridiculous like you suggest with the post code thing ... most of the ridiculous ones wont actually end up in from of a court, however without specificity , the law doesn’t hold up there is no one size fits all for this some people have shops and parks 50m away, some have to drive 10 miles to a shop, some love in the middle of an area, some on the boundary etc etc the government are stuck between a rock and a hard place of writing laws that cannot be enforced as too wide open in definition or writing laws that are far too wide open in terms of distance so people think they are being given permission to travel as much as they like | |||
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"I got back from a walk with my daughter not so long ago. We left our house to walk to my local woods, around 10 minutes. Judging by the amount of cars parked on the side of the road I'd say there were many people there who weren't 'local'. In the first lockdown the owner of the area closed it off, it didn't go down well but was needed. Local to me is somewhere you can walk to in, say, 30 mins. What if you are disabled? You use the car to get to the park so you can then manage to walk round it. Or young fit people can jog 10 miles but old gits have to stay in their garden? "In all scenarios go round the block, we do that sometimes ~ mainly when my teen doesn't want to get her white trainers dirty. Fed up with people making excuses tbh. | |||
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"I got back from a walk with my daughter not so long ago. We left our house to walk to my local woods, around 10 minutes. Judging by the amount of cars parked on the side of the road I'd say there were many people there who weren't 'local'. In the first lockdown the owner of the area closed it off, it didn't go down well but was needed. Local to me is somewhere you can walk to in, say, 30 mins. What if you are disabled? You use the car to get to the park so you can then manage to walk round it. Or young fit people can jog 10 miles but old gits have to stay in their garden?
Yep there's always "reasons" it's why the rates are still going up. "Yes groups in town, meetings over Christmas.... when I know others have done none of that but now they can only exercise within their own walls! | |||
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"I got back from a walk with my daughter not so long ago. We left our house to walk to my local woods, around 10 minutes. Judging by the amount of cars parked on the side of the road I'd say there were many people there who weren't 'local'. In the first lockdown the owner of the area closed it off, it didn't go down well but was needed. Local to me is somewhere you can walk to in, say, 30 mins. What if you are disabled? You use the car to get to the park so you can then manage to walk round it. Or young fit people can jog 10 miles but old gits have to stay in their garden?
Yep there's always "reasons" it's why the rates are still going up.
Yes groups in town, meetings over Christmas.... when I know others have done none of that but now they can only exercise within their own walls! "yep the people who have followed all the way through will be the people that suffer the most which is frustrating and why people are starting to turn on each other ... we really need everyone to work together towards the end of this situation but opinions are so divided i dont see it happening  | |||
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" It also depends on who you are. If it was Dominic Cummings he could drive 100s of miles to get a coffee, AND... get a pay rise. To make it clear for the public and police, so theres no ambiguity, people wlshould stay in the 1st part of their postcode, SR7 for me
We all know what we are trying to achieve here. We all know why. Its serious.
If we all stick to that we will be fine.
Yes cummings yawn... Fuck me how old are we? 6? But you did it so I want to... We can all find excuses and precedent and loopholes if we want to... But the celebs, but the footballers, but the pop stars, but the politicians.... But does that help at all? Do the right thing. We all k ow what it is by now. And if we need to question it... 99 out of 100 times we shouldn't do it. "Actually I disagree with your “Cummings yawn” we should never forget the contempt he and his employer held for the public. He should have resigned or been sacked. Absolutely no excuse. But he got full cabinet support. I don’t think anyone in right mind is saying because Cummings, politicians or celebs do it the we should do it! People are saying they too should be punished! No excuses. In recent days we have had JRM drive from a tier 4 to tier 2 area to go to church. Not allowed! Any comeback for him? It isn’t remotely childish to bring it up. The govt and people at top set the barometer and should be 100% compliant. | |||
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" It also depends on who you are. If it was Dominic Cummings he could drive 100s of miles to get a coffee, AND... get a pay rise. To make it clear for the public and police, so theres no ambiguity, people wlshould stay in the 1st part of their postcode, SR7 for me
We all know what we are trying to achieve here. We all know why. Its serious.
If we all stick to that we will be fine.
Yes cummings yawn... Fuck me how old are we? 6? But you did it so I want to... We can all find excuses and precedent and loopholes if we want to... But the celebs, but the footballers, but the pop stars, but the politicians.... But does that help at all? Do the right thing. We all k ow what it is by now. And if we need to question it... 99 out of 100 times we shouldn't do it.
Actually I disagree with your “Cummings yawn” we should never forget the contempt he and his employer held for the public. He should have resigned or been sacked. Absolutely no excuse. But he got full cabinet support.
I don’t think anyone in right mind is saying because Cummings, politicians or celebs do it the we should do it! People are saying they too should be punished! No excuses.
In recent days we have had JRM drive from a tier 4 to tier 2 area to go to church. Not allowed! Any comeback for him?
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" It also depends on who you are. If it was Dominic Cummings he could drive 100s of miles to get a coffee, AND... get a pay rise. To make it clear for the public and police, so theres no ambiguity, people wlshould stay in the 1st part of their postcode, SR7 for me
We all know what we are trying to achieve here. We all know why. Its serious.
If we all stick to that we will be fine.
Yes cummings yawn... Fuck me how old are we? 6? But you did it so I want to... We can all find excuses and precedent and loopholes if we want to... But the celebs, but the footballers, but the pop stars, but the politicians.... But does that help at all? Do the right thing. We all k ow what it is by now. And if we need to question it... 99 out of 100 times we shouldn't do it.
Actually I disagree with your “Cummings yawn” we should never forget the contempt he and his employer held for the public. He should have resigned or been sacked. Absolutely no excuse. But he got full cabinet support.
I don’t think anyone in right mind is saying because Cummings, politicians or celebs do it the we should do it! People are saying they too should be punished! No excuses.
In recent days we have had JRM drive from a tier 4 to tier 2 area to go to church. Not allowed! Any comeback for him?
It isn’t remotely childish to bring it up. The govt and people at top set the barometer and should be 100% compliant.
They should be setting an example.
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" Far too many ill thought through bright ideas coming out when the simple criterion should be "Don't take unnecessary risk" and leave it at that. If the problem is a surfeit of prats, then they should make it an offence to be a prat! the problem is your bright idea is also ill thought out because it is wide open to interpretation which is how this incident and discussion has arisen in the first place " My proposed, and undoubtedly ill thought out, offence of "Being a prat" was, of course tongue in cheek! I remain slightly baffled as to why distance of travel needs to be specified when the critical distance is really how far from other people you are breathing the air. If everybody stuck with "Don't take unnecessary risk" most of the problems would not be arising. For example, most journeys by car, over unspecified distances, shouldn't be a problem unless it involves close interaction with other people such as in an accident or breakdown situation. Which leads nicely back to "Don't take unnecessary risk"...Which leads back to interpreting our old friend 'common sense'...Which leads nicely back to prats. In reality there probably isn't a solution anywhere in the offing. | |||
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" Far too many ill thought through bright ideas coming out when the simple criterion should be "Don't take unnecessary risk" and leave it at that. If the problem is a surfeit of prats, then they should make it an offence to be a prat! the problem is your bright idea is also ill thought out because it is wide open to interpretation which is how this incident and discussion has arisen in the first place My proposed, and undoubtedly ill thought out, offence of "Being a prat" was, of course tongue in cheek! I remain slightly baffled as to why distance of travel needs to be specified when the critical distance is really how far from other people you are breathing the air. If everybody stuck with "Don't take unnecessary risk" most of the problems would not be arising. For example, most journeys by car, over unspecified distances, shouldn't be a problem unless it involves close interaction with other people such as in an accident or breakdown situation. Which leads nicely back to "Don't take unnecessary risk"...Which leads back to interpreting our old friend 'common sense'...Which leads nicely back to prats. In reality there probably isn't a solution anywhere in the offing." everyones common sense is different, the law needs to be standard to all ... this is why for it to be enforceable rules it must be specific take a poll of people you know and their understanding what unnecessary risk is ... i bet they all come back with a different answer | |||
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"I’m just setting off for a walk, I hope this thread is still going when I return. I will report back... Ok so I was out for virtually an hour, walked approximately 6k and was never more than 2k from home. About a third of my walk was on a canal path, the rest on urban and main roads. I passed through 4 different postcode areas, came within 50 metres of 4 supermarkets, KFC, McDonalds, Costa, Domino’s and countless convenience shops and takeaways. In total 64 people on foot and 8 cyclists came within the width of a footpath of me. Fortunately there were no sentry posts as i passed through areas. Alternatively I could have got in my car, driven a maximum 15 minutes and been on the moors where I could have kept well away from every other person there. Whoever keeps suggesting people stick to their postcode please give your head a wobble. " I'm going to guess at Salford and judging by the 15 mins to the moors I'm going to say no more than 2 mins of the 62??? Am I close | |||
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"I’m just setting off for a walk, I hope this thread is still going when I return. I will report back... Ok so I was out for virtually an hour, walked approximately 6k and was never more than 2k from home. About a third of my walk was on a canal path, the rest on urban and main roads. I passed through 4 different postcode areas, came within 50 metres of 4 supermarkets, KFC, McDonalds, Costa, Domino’s and countless convenience shops and takeaways. In total 64 people on foot and 8 cyclists came within the width of a footpath of me. Fortunately there were no sentry posts as i passed through areas. Alternatively I could have got in my car, driven a maximum 15 minutes and been on the moors where I could have kept well away from every other person there. Whoever keeps suggesting people stick to their postcode please give your head a wobble. " You could have indeed gone out on the Moors. Now if everyone took that approach.... | |||
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"I’m just setting off for a walk, I hope this thread is still going when I return. I will report back... Ok so I was out for virtually an hour, walked approximately 6k and was never more than 2k from home. About a third of my walk was on a canal path, the rest on urban and main roads. I passed through 4 different postcode areas, came within 50 metres of 4 supermarkets, KFC, McDonalds, Costa, Domino’s and countless convenience shops and takeaways. In total 64 people on foot and 8 cyclists came within the width of a footpath of me. Fortunately there were no sentry posts as i passed through areas. Alternatively I could have got in my car, driven a maximum 15 minutes and been on the moors where I could have kept well away from every other person there. Whoever keeps suggesting people stick to their postcode please give your head a wobble. " Did you have a hot drink? | |||
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"I’m just setting off for a walk, I hope this thread is still going when I return. I will report back... Ok so I was out for virtually an hour, walked approximately 6k and was never more than 2k from home. About a third of my walk was on a canal path, the rest on urban and main roads. I passed through 4 different postcode areas, came within 50 metres of 4 supermarkets, KFC, McDonalds, Costa, Domino’s and countless convenience shops and takeaways. In total 64 people on foot and 8 cyclists came within the width of a footpath of me. Fortunately there were no sentry posts as i passed through areas. Alternatively I could have got in my car, driven a maximum 15 minutes and been on the moors where I could have kept well away from every other person there. Whoever keeps suggesting people stick to their postcode please give your head a wobble. You could have indeed gone out on the Moors. Now if everyone took that approach...." I appreciate that, and my walk today was merely to prove that staying local sometimes makes no sense. If I still lived in the town I grew up in all within one postcode I would have access to 3 parks, 2 golf courses as well as the surrounding countryside. If I still lived in London I would have been stuck entirely in a concrete jungle. | |||
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"I’m just setting off for a walk, I hope this thread is still going when I return. I will report back... Ok so I was out for virtually an hour, walked approximately 6k and was never more than 2k from home. About a third of my walk was on a canal path, the rest on urban and main roads. I passed through 4 different postcode areas, came within 50 metres of 4 supermarkets, KFC, McDonalds, Costa, Domino’s and countless convenience shops and takeaways. In total 64 people on foot and 8 cyclists came within the width of a footpath of me. Fortunately there were no sentry posts as i passed through areas. Alternatively I could have got in my car, driven a maximum 15 minutes and been on the moors where I could have kept well away from every other person there. Whoever keeps suggesting people stick to their postcode please give your head a wobble. Did you have a hot drink?" Ha, no. I haven’t progressed to such rebellious behaviour yet | |||
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"I’m just setting off for a walk, I hope this thread is still going when I return. I will report back... Ok so I was out for virtually an hour, walked approximately 6k and was never more than 2k from home. About a third of my walk was on a canal path, the rest on urban and main roads. I passed through 4 different postcode areas, came within 50 metres of 4 supermarkets, KFC, McDonalds, Costa, Domino’s and countless convenience shops and takeaways. In total 64 people on foot and 8 cyclists came within the width of a footpath of me. Fortunately there were no sentry posts as i passed through areas. Alternatively I could have got in my car, driven a maximum 15 minutes and been on the moors where I could have kept well away from every other person there. Whoever keeps suggesting people stick to their postcode please give your head a wobble. You could have indeed gone out on the Moors. Now if everyone took that approach.... I appreciate that, and my walk today was merely to prove that staying local sometimes makes no sense. If I still lived in the town I grew up in all within one postcode I would have access to 3 parks, 2 golf courses as well as the surrounding countryside. If I still lived in London I would have been stuck entirely in a concrete jungle. " It does make sense. It's about showing you understand how this virus spreads, understanding that you can endanger another's life understanding that restricting you interaction and spread of the virus by suggesting you exercise you right to not go out unless it's absolutely necessary. If people choose not to exercise this right to choose not to help others by reducing the spread of the virus then that up to them. If people choose not to then imo they don't understand the severity of this virus. | |||
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"Stay within 1km of home and on foot. If you let people drive for exercise then it allows people to drive for any reason. Going to a party, going for lunch with friends, etc. If you are stopped by the police then you can just say "I'm driving to somewhere to exercise". In France they banned cycling, exercise on foot only, probably because the police wouldn't be able to catch you to check your paperwork if you were on a bicycle." 1km
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"Stay within 1km of home and on foot. If you let people drive for exercise then it allows people to drive for any reason. Going to a party, going for lunch with friends, etc. If you are stopped by the police then you can just say "I'm driving to somewhere to exercise". In France they banned cycling, exercise on foot only, probably because the police wouldn't be able to catch you to check your paperwork if you were on a bicycle. 1km
How do you exercise on foot if you can't walk? I did 5 miles by wheelchair on Wednesday (in a kind of circuit around our village) and was probably at max 1.5 miles from home (ish)."If you had done that in France during the lock down you have been fined for being more than 1km from home. You could still do your 5 miles but do smaller loops. You would also have to do it in an hour or less because you were allowed out for 1 hour of exercise once per day. | |||
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"Stay within 1km of home and on foot. If you let people drive for exercise then it allows people to drive for any reason. Going to a party, going for lunch with friends, etc. If you are stopped by the police then you can just say "I'm driving to somewhere to exercise". In France they banned cycling, exercise on foot only, probably because the police wouldn't be able to catch you to check your paperwork if you were on a bicycle. 1km
How do you exercise on foot if you can't walk? I did 5 miles by wheelchair on Wednesday (in a kind of circuit around our village) and was probably at max 1.5 miles from home (ish).
If you had done that in France during the lock down you have been fined for being more than 1km from home. You could still do your 5 miles but do smaller loops. You would also have to do it in an hour or less because you were allowed out for 1 hour of exercise once per day."yes everyone could just run on the spot, take a swim in the bath, count wanking as exercise and then sit and watch the news to see everyone else doing what the fuck they like lol | |||
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"Those women in Derbyshire probably thought 5 miles was local. I often run 10+ miles so could easily find myself 5 miles from home (yes I could run in circles). It actually would be better for Govt to provide a definition based on distance. Saying “use common sense” clearly doesn’t work as lots of people lack it. After all 43% of those who voted in Dec 2019 voted for this BJ led shower!" You didnt say, if your 10 mile run started after a 5 mile drive or from your house. You are right on the BJ Front the other 57% are still waiting for plan B from the other mob that seems to not be forthcoming. | |||
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"Stay within 1km of home and on foot. If you let people drive for exercise then it allows people to drive for any reason. Going to a party, going for lunch with friends, etc. If you are stopped by the police then you can just say "I'm driving to somewhere to exercise". In France they banned cycling, exercise on foot only, probably because the police wouldn't be able to catch you to check your paperwork if you were on a bicycle. 1km
How do you exercise on foot if you can't walk? I did 5 miles by wheelchair on Wednesday (in a kind of circuit around our village) and was probably at max 1.5 miles from home (ish).
If you had done that in France during the lock down you have been fined for being more than 1km from home. You could still do your 5 miles but do smaller loops. You would also have to do it in an hour or less because you were allowed out for 1 hour of exercise once per day."If I was in France, I'd clearly have been confined to barracks for the duration. The lack of roads cutting across the area I live would make it difficult to complete the same sort of distance without being further than 0.6 miles from home. I'd have to just repeat the same short up/down the street type of thing and considering where my house is located, it's wouldn't really be exercise because I have to push in the road for much of that distance (due to pavement parking and tree roots erupting from pavements, rendering them impassable). I don't want to put myself in the path of cars for any longer than absolutely necessary. Perhaps the adrenaline of car dodging would be exercise enough?! | |||
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"Those women in Derbyshire probably thought 5 miles was local. I often run 10+ miles so could easily find myself 5 miles from home (yes I could run in circles). It actually would be better for Govt to provide a definition based on distance. Saying “use common sense” clearly doesn’t work as lots of people lack it. After all 43% of those who voted in Dec 2019 voted for this BJ led shower! You didnt say, if your 10 mile run started after a 5 mile drive or from your house. You are right on the BJ Front the other 57% are still waiting for plan B from the other mob that seems to not be forthcoming." Lol well I thought it was implicit but perhaps not - 5 miles out from front door and 5 miles back. I would say there have actually been plenty of recommendations on what to do. Most of them ultimately resulting in a delayed U-Turn by the govt. Many people, scientists, medics, ppl with common sense have strongly suggested following the model adopted in places like NZ, Vietnam etc. Close the fucking airports. If you can’t build an effective workable track n trace system then fucking buy one in from abroad that already works! Ensure healthcare workers have the right PPE at the right time (produced by reputable companies not cronies making a quick buck). Etc etc etc a complete bloody shambles and YES I do believe others could do a better job. Not talking Tory vs Labour, I am talking capable Ministers (plenty within Tories) vs incompetent! Rant over | |||
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"I was getting excited when I read the words "BJ led shower", it reminded me of goings on in the wet area at Eureka... ...then I came back to earth and have to agree with the intended meaning." The pun WAS deliberate...well this is supposed to be a swinger site after all! | |||
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"I was getting excited when I read the words "BJ led shower", it reminded me of goings on in the wet area at Eureka... ...then I came back to earth and have to agree with the intended meaning. The pun WAS deliberate...well this is supposed to be a swinger site after all! " brilliant! Keep up the good work. | |||
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"The term local is proportional to how good or bad a day the police officer stopping you is having... I could consider anywhere in my county local but that’s not local under the spirit of the rules I think. Personally I would rather people driving 10 miles to walk somewhere with lots of space than spend a hour walking around the high street outside their home. The mental health benefits outweigh the dangers if done sensibly." I love In a borough of London. If I went for a 6 mile run I would still be in my borough but in another part and therefore could be classed as non-local People have to be sensible. If people are getting in cars to go for walks then personally that is non local. There is a large supermarket at the top of my road and yes people walk there but the amount of cars on my road is shocking | |||
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"Surely one of the issues is the rules are so contradictory? You can get on a bus with 20 people. You can go to a shop with potentially 100s of people. You can sit on an office with dozens of people. But you cant get in your car and travel for a few minutes,where there could be fuck all people around and you are in the open air?" Spot on | |||
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"Surely one of the issues is the rules are so contradictory? You can get on a bus with 20 people. You can go to a shop with potentially 100s of people. You can sit on an office with dozens of people. But you cant get in your car and travel for a few minutes,where there could be fuck all people around and you are in the open air? Spot on " its only contradictory if you look at them with the lense of whats my excuse to do whatever i want if you bucket those activities into essential and non essential there is no contradiction at all shop - need to eat - essential sit in an office - should only be happening currently for essential work that cannot be done at home - essential get on a bus - should only be done to get somewhere for an essential task and if its your best/ safest transport option - essential drive about to where you fancy walking and meeting friends today because you are bored of your own local streets- non essential simple really | |||
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