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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago
atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke |
"Derbyshire Police to review COVID fines given out during new lockdown
Derbyshire Police has said all fixed penalty notices issued to people breaking the rules during the third national lockdown will be reviewed after it received clarification about the coronavirus regulations.
It comes after the force being branded "bonkers" after two women arriving for a walk at a remote spot around five miles from their homes were handed £200 fines for alleged breaches of lockdown laws.
One of the would-be walkers, Jessica Allen, told the BBC that officers also informed her that a hot drink she had brought with her was not allowed as it was "classed as a picnic".
The force had said the women could have taken exercise closer to their home addresses, and described their actions as "clearly not in the spirit of the national effort" to reduce travel and the possible spread of coronavirus.
In a statement on Friday, Derbyshire Police said it had received further guidance the National Police Chiefs' Council (NPCC) which had clarified that the "COVID regulations which officers enforce and which enables them to issue FPNs (fixed penalty notices) for breaches, do not restrict the distance travelled for exercise".
The force said: "All fixed penalty notices during this relevant period that have been issued will be reviewed for compliance.
"All recipients will be contacted."
The Original Story is here:
Worth a read.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-55560814 |
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""Derbyshire Police to review COVID fines given out during new lockdown
Derbyshire Police has said all fixed penalty notices issued to people breaking the rules during the third national lockdown will be reviewed after it received clarification about the coronavirus regulations.
It comes after the force being branded "bonkers" after two women arriving for a walk at a remote spot around five miles from their homes were handed £200 fines for alleged breaches of lockdown laws.
One of the would-be walkers, Jessica Allen, told the BBC that officers also informed her that a hot drink she had brought with her was not allowed as it was "classed as a picnic".
The force had said the women could have taken exercise closer to their home addresses, and described their actions as "clearly not in the spirit of the national effort" to reduce travel and the possible spread of coronavirus.
In a statement on Friday, Derbyshire Police said it had received further guidance the National Police Chiefs' Council (NPCC) which had clarified that the "COVID regulations which officers enforce and which enables them to issue FPNs (fixed penalty notices) for breaches, do not restrict the distance travelled for exercise".
The force said: "All fixed penalty notices during this relevant period that have been issued will be reviewed for compliance.
"All recipients will be contacted."
The Original Story is here:
Worth a read.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-55560814"
So the people who argued that the 2 were completely in the wrong yesterday and suggested that they may have 'gobbed off'...
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""Derbyshire Police to review COVID fines given out during new lockdown
Derbyshire Police has said all fixed penalty notices issued to people breaking the rules during the third national lockdown will be reviewed after it received clarification about the coronavirus regulations.
It comes after the force being branded "bonkers" after two women arriving for a walk at a remote spot around five miles from their homes were handed £200 fines for alleged breaches of lockdown laws.
One of the would-be walkers, Jessica Allen, told the BBC that officers also informed her that a hot drink she had brought with her was not allowed as it was "classed as a picnic".
The force had said the women could have taken exercise closer to their home addresses, and described their actions as "clearly not in the spirit of the national effort" to reduce travel and the possible spread of coronavirus.
In a statement on Friday, Derbyshire Police said it had received further guidance the National Police Chiefs' Council (NPCC) which had clarified that the "COVID regulations which officers enforce and which enables them to issue FPNs (fixed penalty notices) for breaches, do not restrict the distance travelled for exercise".
The force said: "All fixed penalty notices during this relevant period that have been issued will be reviewed for compliance.
"All recipients will be contacted."
The Original Story is here:
Worth a read.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-55560814"
Its disgusting
Control the virus
Not punish humans
The numbers are up
Not from
Shoppers
Take aways
Golfers
Fishermen
Gyms
Runners
Cyclists
Climbers walkers mountaineers
Outdoor pursuits
Or fucking picnics
Its simple
Winter came
People visiting others homes covertly quietly
Gran just seeing the kids grand kids once
People pushing their "bubble " luck
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What I took from reading this story carefully and with an impartial mind with out judging her or the police first is that jessica allen in seriously hot  |
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"Nothing to do with three households being allowed to mix on Christmas Day ?"
Exactly
They should be encouraging out doors and being brutally blunt about mixing indoors without masks or distancing ie homes !!! |
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""Derbyshire Police to review COVID fines given out during new lockdown
Derbyshire Police has said all fixed penalty notices issued to people breaking the rules during the third national lockdown will be reviewed after it received clarification about the coronavirus regulations.
It comes after the force being branded "bonkers" after two women arriving for a walk at a remote spot around five miles from their homes were handed £200 fines for alleged breaches of lockdown laws.
One of the would-be walkers, Jessica Allen, told the BBC that officers also informed her that a hot drink she had brought with her was not allowed as it was "classed as a picnic".
The force had said the women could have taken exercise closer to their home addresses, and described their actions as "clearly not in the spirit of the national effort" to reduce travel and the possible spread of coronavirus.
In a statement on Friday, Derbyshire Police said it had received further guidance the National Police Chiefs' Council (NPCC) which had clarified that the "COVID regulations which officers enforce and which enables them to issue FPNs (fixed penalty notices) for breaches, do not restrict the distance travelled for exercise".
The force said: "All fixed penalty notices during this relevant period that have been issued will be reviewed for compliance.
"All recipients will be contacted."
The Original Story is here:
Worth a read.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-55560814
So the people who argued that the 2 were completely in the wrong yesterday and suggested that they may have 'gobbed off'...
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Be careful what we wish for. We want this horrible pandemic to stop. We want enforcement to help it stop. But we don't want that much enforcement so it seems.
Just shows its complex and also shows the power of social media to whip up a storm. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"What I took from reading this story carefully and with an impartial mind with out judging her or the police first is that jessica allen in seriously hot
Live near me too  "
Not on your local feed asking for meets I hope |
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"It's sad that the police were already in wait at the remote carpark. It's not against the law to drive then walk.
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it is in wales, yet still people are driving hundres of miles from the other side of england to get there |
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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago
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"It's sad that the police were already in wait at the remote carpark. It's not against the law to drive then walk.
it is in wales, yet still people are driving hundres of miles from the other side of england to get there"
er? They have moved Derbyshire to Wales? Well that must be confusing? I wonder if my car Nav knows?  |
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"Well the fine still stands until reviewed, I still think the police got it right, personally"
Personally im sure they did not
It is a local site with a 1000 paths
I visit regularly and can easily avoid humans |
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By (user no longer on site)
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My family are now in danger because selfish people decided to go across to the isle of wight who where in tier 1 and others going into tier 4. Greedy ferry owners allowing it. 3 of my friends seriously ill. 1 mum and wife died yesterday. I have my daughter . My grandsons i cant visit and not seen in months. I agree fine people . But what the police did was wrong.. sorry to say. I take a drink when I go walking should I be fined? |
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"What I took from reading this story carefully and with an impartial mind with out judging her or the police first is that jessica allen in seriously hot
Live near me too "
Get your sen in her DM's....she let her self down abit having a peppermint tea I'm looking for more a Yorkshire tea kinda girl. |
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"Well the fine still stands until reviewed, I still think the police got it right, personally
Personally im sure they did not
It is a local site with a 1000 paths
I visit regularly and can easily avoid humans "
Do you stop off on the way to get your takeaway coffee first though?
Exercise outdoors - essential.
Travelling to take said exercise - discouraged.
Detour to pick up a Costa (other brands are available) coffee first - definitely non essential..... |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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I think the five miles is pushing it. One of them lived in Leicester. I also knew the "anxiety card would come out as to why they should be allowed to do it
Look...in the first lock down people were complaining because others were driving to beauty spots and beaches in their thousands. At the moment we are meant to be staying local to exercise and staying at home the rest of the time...potentially spreading Covid into other areas you don't live in is not a good thing
Stay at home, exercise near home and do what is asked of us so we can get out of this quicker. |
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"Well the fine still stands until reviewed, I still think the police got it right, personally
Personally im sure they did not
It is a local site with a 1000 paths
I visit regularly and can easily avoid humans
Do you stop off on the way to get your takeaway coffee first though?
Exercise outdoors - essential.
Travelling to take said exercise - discouraged.
Detour to pick up a Costa (other brands are available) coffee first - definitely non essential....."
they are allowed to be open so must be essential |
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By *rx1Couple
over a year ago
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Trouble is there is No definition in Law as 'local'
Common sense has to prevail. Do you really need to drive 5 miles , 10 miles or more if you can exercise in an open space near home (walking from home)
If you live in a built up area fair enough, but go to your nearest open space. (dont drive past it)
The Law needs to ratified.
It is not the fault of the Police they have been sent so many different instructions.
It is good that all FPN's are being looked out. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Well the fine still stands until reviewed, I still think the police got it right, personally
Personally im sure they did not
It is a local site with a 1000 paths
I visit regularly and can easily avoid humans
Do you stop off on the way to get your takeaway coffee first though?
Exercise outdoors - essential.
Travelling to take said exercise - discouraged.
Detour to pick up a Costa (other brands are available) coffee first - definitely non essential.....
they are allowed to be open so must be essential "
Argos is open, wouldn't pop in there to buy a new toaster on the way for your daily exercise first  |
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By *aekaeWoman
over a year ago
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"Well the fine still stands until reviewed, I still think the police got it right, personally
Personally im sure they did not
It is a local site with a 1000 paths
I visit regularly and can easily avoid humans
Do you stop off on the way to get your takeaway coffee first though?
Exercise outdoors - essential.
Travelling to take said exercise - discouraged.
Detour to pick up a Costa (other brands are available) coffee first - definitely non essential....."
I tend to agree with this. |
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It was Derbyshire police that was criticised most in the first lockdown for over reacting when they used that drone to photograph a dog walker miles from anyone else on the top of those rocks.
However I haven’t looked closely but the picture of those two ladies walking on the verge of a road dressed up for a night out didn’t really add up, they weren’t out for exercise lol. |
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"But i could easily walk the 5 miles.
What about the extra distance required to get your coffee first though ?
Take a thermos "
Well if they were stopped for having a picnic then a thermos looks much more like a picnic than a Costa cup. |
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"Well the fine still stands until reviewed, I still think the police got it right, personally
Personally im sure they did not
It is a local site with a 1000 paths
I visit regularly and can easily avoid humans
Do you stop off on the way to get your takeaway coffee first though?
Exercise outdoors - essential.
Travelling to take said exercise - discouraged.
Detour to pick up a Costa (other brands are available) coffee first - definitely non essential.....
they are allowed to be open so must be essential
Argos is open, wouldn't pop in there to buy a new toaster on the way for your daily exercise first "
Well yes if i needed a new toaster and Argos not miles out of my way.
Is it therefore wrong that one morning a week i think that on my way to work i will detour 200 metres to Macdonalds for an egg and sausage McMuffin and a coffee.
I am in my car alone
Am served by two people in separate cubicles who are masked and gloved up
Am keeping a business going and giving local people work.
I stop in a carpark on the way and eat the meal, far safer than eating it while driving and i have no contact with anyone.
If i crashed while driving and eating it exposure risks go up and the NHS has to use resources as do the police and possibly the fire brigade. |
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"Well the fine still stands until reviewed, I still think the police got it right, personally
Personally im sure they did not
It is a local site with a 1000 paths
I visit regularly and can easily avoid humans
Do you stop off on the way to get your takeaway coffee first though?
Exercise outdoors - essential.
Travelling to take said exercise - discouraged.
Detour to pick up a Costa (other brands are available) coffee first - definitely non essential.....
they are allowed to be open so must be essential
Argos is open, wouldn't pop in there to buy a new toaster on the way for your daily exercise first
Well yes if i needed a new toaster and Argos not miles out of my way.
Is it therefore wrong that one morning a week i think that on my way to work i will detour 200 metres to Macdonalds for an egg and sausage McMuffin and a coffee.
I am in my car alone
Am served by two people in separate cubicles who are masked and gloved up
Am keeping a business going and giving local people work.
I stop in a carpark on the way and eat the meal, far safer than eating it while driving and i have no contact with anyone.
If i crashed while driving and eating it exposure risks go up and the NHS has to use resources as do the police and possibly the fire brigade."
But that's on your way to work, eating it in (probably) McDs car park alone... so I'm guessing no one would have an issue with it.....
Do that on your way to meet a friend to "exercise" with and it would probably be viewed differently.... |
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"Well the fine still stands until reviewed, I still think the police got it right, personally
Personally im sure they did not
It is a local site with a 1000 paths
I visit regularly and can easily avoid humans
Do you stop off on the way to get your takeaway coffee first though?
Exercise outdoors - essential.
Travelling to take said exercise - discouraged.
Detour to pick up a Costa (other brands are available) coffee first - definitely non essential.....
they are allowed to be open so must be essential
Argos is open, wouldn't pop in there to buy a new toaster on the way for your daily exercise first
Well yes if i needed a new toaster and Argos not miles out of my way.
Is it therefore wrong that one morning a week i think that on my way to work i will detour 200 metres to Macdonalds for an egg and sausage McMuffin and a coffee.
I am in my car alone
Am served by two people in separate cubicles who are masked and gloved up
Am keeping a business going and giving local people work.
I stop in a carpark on the way and eat the meal, far safer than eating it while driving and i have no contact with anyone.
If i crashed while driving and eating it exposure risks go up and the NHS has to use resources as do the police and possibly the fire brigade."
I attended a serious crash involving two vehicles that were working essentially last night
The Leicestershire police were excellent
I'd suggest much more risk of essential people crashing than leasure
And let's really face it
Traveling and walking on the covid risk scale is about 1 out of 100
Staying home and popping to grandma is 99 out of 100
Proportion has left us
Control the virus
How
Stop visiting homes
Costa is pretty Covid secure very low risk
However I shall be taking my own flask on my walk today
Until we become brutally honest about the greatest risk conduit and focus and stop petty blunt shut everything and hope tactics we will yoyo in and out until, well until either the virus runs out of steam or forever |
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"But i could easily walk the 5 miles.
What about the extra distance required to get your coffee first though ?
Take a thermos
Well if they were stopped for having a picnic then a thermos looks much more like a picnic than a Costa cup."
What happens if they took a Mars bar as well? Or a few extra strong mints.
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"Well the fine still stands until reviewed, I still think the police got it right, personally
Personally im sure they did not
It is a local site with a 1000 paths
I visit regularly and can easily avoid humans
Do you stop off on the way to get your takeaway coffee first though?
Exercise outdoors - essential.
Travelling to take said exercise - discouraged.
Detour to pick up a Costa (other brands are available) coffee first - definitely non essential.....
they are allowed to be open so must be essential
Argos is open, wouldn't pop in there to buy a new toaster on the way for your daily exercise first
Well yes if i needed a new toaster and Argos not miles out of my way.
Is it therefore wrong that one morning a week i think that on my way to work i will detour 200 metres to Macdonalds for an egg and sausage McMuffin and a coffee.
I am in my car alone
Am served by two people in separate cubicles who are masked and gloved up
Am keeping a business going and giving local people work.
I stop in a carpark on the way and eat the meal, far safer than eating it while driving and i have no contact with anyone.
If i crashed while driving and eating it exposure risks go up and the NHS has to use resources as do the police and possibly the fire brigade.
But that's on your way to work, eating it in (probably) McDs car park alone... so I'm guessing no one would have an issue with it.....
Do that on your way to meet a friend to "exercise" with and it would probably be viewed differently...."
It’s a blunt approach though with little reasoned thought. Either do nothing such as in a town local to me (Whitstable) which even today will have car parks full of DfL’s and others from well outside the area and no police presence or they hit all and everybody with a fucking great stick, like two people metres apart having a slurp of coffee.
My friend who is a teacher had contact with 150 different pupils in a day (i know schools are now closed) and yet was not allowed to meet me for a socially distanced chat and a cup of coffee |
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"But i could easily walk the 5 miles.
What about the extra distance required to get your coffee first though ?
Take a thermos
Well if they were stopped for having a picnic then a thermos looks much more like a picnic than a Costa cup.
What happens if they took a Mars bar as well? Or a few extra strong mints.
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That would constitute a substantial meal then..... so they could have had a pint with it..... |
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"But i could easily walk the 5 miles.
What about the extra distance required to get your coffee first though ?
Take a thermos
Well if they were stopped for having a picnic then a thermos looks much more like a picnic than a Costa cup.
What happens if they took a Mars bar as well? Or a few extra strong mints.
That would constitute a substantial meal then..... so they could have had a pint with it..... "
Images of starsky and hutch style... "OK hands on the bonnet assume the position mother fucker"
"you carrying any food?" |
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As we said on the original thread, these two were quite rightly fined for what they did.
Unfortunately, news of this review will make it open season for the idiots who bend the rules to suit themselves. |
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The very fact that people on here can't agree what local means shows you the issues the police face...
They didn't write the laws, they are just charged with enforcing them.
Local and necessary is subjective to each individual, therefore when an officer chooses to enforce a law based on their subjective opinion it won't always align with your perception... and people then say use some common sense. Well again that's a subjective matter, and after reading some of the comments on here it's clear our view on common sense is considerably different to others.
It's a weak law written to try and avoid upsetting people.
Maybe people should take responsibility for their own actions, and if they feel aggrieved go through the proper channels to challenge it instead of crying to the main stream media while concocting tales of hardship and mental health struggles to justify their actions to gain favour.
This entire lockdown has been a joke from the start, mainly because as a nation we want the result but we can't stomach giving up our Starbucks lattes or our weekend house parties.. and the moment someone tells us we can't do something we cry about it being like nazi germany and a police state...
Why are other countries like Australia, New Zeland, China enjoying parties and nights out.. because they locked down, gave up freedoms for a period of time and have controlled this.. We were to bothered about when we can get 50,000 people back into a football stadium and if we can have 20 people around for a party at Christmas..
Rant over.. |
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By *j48Man
over a year ago
Wigan |
It's a free country.. Anyone is free to drive or cycle or take a boat to anywhere for a walk or any other activity that means you're no closer than 2mtrs from another human when you get there..
3 plods turn up 2 foot from one another and issue a fine
Piss the right off...
Issuing and being made to pay it are two very very different things
This police state must stop immediately
Use common bloody sense and we'll all still be here in 12 months.. In lockdown 9, no doubt |
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"It's a free country.. Anyone is free to drive or cycle or take a boat to anywhere for a walk or any other activity that means you're no closer than 2mtrs from another human when you get there..
3 plods turn up 2 foot from one another and issue a fine
Piss the right off...
Issuing and being made to pay it are two very very different things
This police state must stop immediately
Use common bloody sense and we'll all still be here in 12 months.. In lockdown 9, no doubt"
And that is why the country is in the state it is |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"The very fact that people on here can't agree what local means shows you the issues the police face...
They didn't write the laws, they are just charged with enforcing them.
Local and necessary is subjective to each individual, therefore when an officer chooses to enforce a law based on their subjective opinion it won't always align with your perception... and people then say use some common sense. Well again that's a subjective matter, and after reading some of the comments on here it's clear our view on common sense is considerably different to others.
It's a weak law written to try and avoid upsetting people.
Maybe people should take responsibility for their own actions, and if they feel aggrieved go through the proper channels to challenge it instead of crying to the main stream media while concocting tales of hardship and mental health struggles to justify their actions to gain favour.
This entire lockdown has been a joke from the start, mainly because as a nation we want the result but we can't stomach giving up our Starbucks lattes or our weekend house parties.. and the moment someone tells us we can't do something we cry about it being like nazi germany and a police state...
Why are other countries like Australia, New Zeland, China enjoying parties and nights out.. because they locked down, gave up freedoms for a period of time and have controlled this.. We were to bothered about when we can get 50,000 people back into a football stadium and if we can have 20 people around for a party at Christmas..
Rant over.. "
Good post. Just so annoying that 10 months in, certain peiple still can't see that their actions have consequences.
I'm happy to give up my freedoms for a few more weeks, if it saves a nurse or a doctor, another agonising lobg shift dealing with serious illness and death. |
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"It's a free country.. Anyone is free to drive or cycle or take a boat to anywhere for a walk or any other activity that means you're no closer than 2mtrs from another human when you get there..
3 plods turn up 2 foot from one another and issue a fine
Piss the right off...
Issuing and being made to pay it are two very very different things
This police state must stop immediately
Use common bloody sense and we'll all still be here in 12 months.. In lockdown 9, no doubt"
I bet that’s what the English thought when they drive a couple of hundred miles to Wales for a walk .... a country that has different rules than us but people choose to ignore them.
The longer people keep ignoring the basics the longer this is going to continue with lockdowns, tier restrictions, etc.
Buckle up, button it and deal with it for a couple of months and then we might get a bit more freedom for those that have the luxury to travel to greener pastures |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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This entire lockdown has been a joke from the start, mainly because as a nation we want the result but we can't stomach giving up our Starbucks lattes or our weekend house parties.. and the moment someone tells us we can't do something we cry about it being like nazi germany and a police state...
Why are other countries like Australia, New Zeland, China enjoying parties and nights out.. because they locked down, gave up freedoms for a period of time and have controlled this..
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Exactly this. It is almost like rebelling like little children
I saw someone post on another site today that lives in Australia and she said we just accepted we had to shut entire towns , no one in, no one out to control the virus and it really does seem to be working for them, all we get over here is people complaining about it. It is no wonder we are not getting anywhere like Australia with the attitudes to it |
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"Does the law that was passed actually make it illegal to drive a specific amount? "
No, there is no defined distance. It states people should not travel unless it is for a number of "essential" reasons, there is no defined limit on distance and or time. However it adds that it should be reasonable, leaving it open to interpretation and misinterpretation and ultimately people to argue what they feel was right compared to what others view it as. |
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"Does the law that was passed actually make it illegal to drive a specific amount?
No, there is no defined distance. It states people should not travel unless it is for a number of "essential" reasons, there is no defined limit on distance and or time. However it adds that it should be reasonable, leaving it open to interpretation and misinterpretation and ultimately people to argue what they feel was right compared to what others view it as. "
.... and meaning avoiding travelling outside of your village, town or the part of a city where you live – and look to reduce the number of journeys you make overall.
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"It's sad that the police were already in wait at the remote carpark. It's not against the law to drive then walk.
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Easy money isnt it , bit like sitting in wait for speeding motorists doing 32mph in a 30mph zone . Should be out dealing with real crime there is plenty going on . Not a Police hater btw they just seem to have their priorities all wrong in my opinion |
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By *rx1Couple
over a year ago
North of Okehampton, South of Bideford |
"It's a free country.. Anyone is free to drive or cycle or take a boat to anywhere for a walk or any other activity that means you're no closer than 2mtrs from another human when you get there..
3 plods turn up 2 foot from one another and issue a fine
Piss the right off...
Issuing and being made to pay it are two very very different things
This police state must stop immediately
Use common bloody sense and we'll all still be here in 12 months.. In lockdown 9, no doubt"
No it is not a free Country. Where have you been. The Law has been changed, you are restricted, whether you like it or not, you are NOT FREE to do as you want, you are being told what to do. The Choice is yours, to obey and help reduce this or face the consequences. You must stay at home. There are few exceptions and these should be kept to a minimum.
The Police State needs to continue to control idiots.
If you only knew what some of us face everyday (workwise) and what we have to wear for bloody long periods and are totally broken you might understand.
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"It's a free country.. Anyone is free to drive or cycle or take a boat to anywhere for a walk or any other activity that means you're no closer than 2mtrs from another human when you get there..
3 plods turn up 2 foot from one another and issue a fine
Piss the right off...
Issuing and being made to pay it are two very very different things
This police state must stop immediately
Use common bloody sense and we'll all still be here in 12 months.. In lockdown 9, no doubt
No it is not a free Country. Where have you been. The Law has been changed, you are restricted, whether you like it or not, you are NOT FREE to do as you want, you are being told what to do. The Choice is yours, to obey and help reduce this or face the consequences. You must stay at home. There are few exceptions and these should be kept to a minimum.
The Police State needs to continue to control idiots.
If you only knew what some of us face everyday (workwise) and what we have to wear for bloody long periods and are totally broken you might understand.
It is not Party politics it is life and in many cases Death."
Few exceptions.. like garden centres? |
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Johnson under pressure to explain why he went for cycle ride seven miles from No 10
The Evening Standard has a good exclusive today. It reports that Boris Johnson went for a cycle ride around the Olympic Park on Sunday, seven miles from Downing Street. |
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"oh dear ...
Johnson under pressure to explain why he went for cycle ride seven miles from No 10
The Evening Standard has a good exclusive today. It reports that Boris Johnson went for a cycle ride around the Olympic Park on Sunday, seven miles from Downing Street."
Did he have a hot drink? |
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"oh dear ...
Johnson under pressure to explain why he went for cycle ride seven miles from No 10
The Evening Standard has a good exclusive today. It reports that Boris Johnson went for a cycle ride around the Olympic Park on Sunday, seven miles from Downing Street.
Did he have a hot drink?"
there's nothing in the article .... but it appears he didn't have an excuse either ....
"At the Downing Street lobby briefing the prime minister’s spokesman did not have an answer as to why the PM thought that going seven miles away from home was consistent with the spirit of the rules - although he indicated that he would come back with a proper response later." |
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"oh dear ...
Johnson under pressure to explain why he went for cycle ride seven miles from No 10
The Evening Standard has a good exclusive today. It reports that Boris Johnson went for a cycle ride around the Olympic Park on Sunday, seven miles from Downing Street.
Did he have a hot drink?
there's nothing in the article .... but it appears he didn't have an excuse either ....
"At the Downing Street lobby briefing the prime minister’s spokesman did not have an answer as to why the PM thought that going seven miles away from home was consistent with the spirit of the rules - although he indicated that he would come back with a proper response later.""
I love the way he doesnt even to have to bother answering it himself.
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"It doesnt say if he drove to the park then cycled, or cycled from home"
it seems that they are alluding to the olympic park being outside his local area and that the parks close to his home have far fewer people in them. |
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By *otsossieMan
over a year ago
local, but not too local |
"Does the law that was passed actually make it illegal to drive a specific amount?
No, there is no defined distance. It states people should not travel unless it is for a number of "essential" reasons, there is no defined limit on distance and or time. However it adds that it should be reasonable, leaving it open to interpretation and misinterpretation and ultimately people to argue what they feel was right compared to what others view it as. "
This is the problem. Crap, woolly guidance as usual, coupled with human nature of wanting to continue with usual habits, and bending reality to suit. |
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By *adMerWoman
over a year ago
Sandwich |
Hasn’t it come to light that this was a PR exercise by the anti lockdown brigade?
The lady was arrested for refusing to give her details, which the police have always been entitled to do.
Originally I did think it was rather heavy handed of the police and I certainly don’t think they always get it right. I was chatting to a Met policeman and he was trying to get me to meet up with him during lockdown for instance.
However if this was done as an attempt to alter people’s perception of lockdown then I am beyond disgusted!
I personally think Dominic Cummings has a lot to answer for too. |
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"Hasn’t it come to light that this was a PR exercise by the anti lockdown brigade?
The lady was arrested for refusing to give her details, which the police have always been entitled to do.
Originally I did think it was rather heavy handed of the police and I certainly don’t think they always get it right. I was chatting to a Met policeman and he was trying to get me to meet up with him during lockdown for instance.
However if this was done as an attempt to alter people’s perception of lockdown then I am beyond disgusted!
I personally think Dominic Cummings has a lot to answer for too."
The article didn't say she had been arrested did it? |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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"Hasn’t it come to light that this was a PR exercise by the anti lockdown brigade?
The lady was arrested for refusing to give her details, which the police have always been entitled to do.
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I think that was a different one in Poole |
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"oh dear ...
Johnson under pressure to explain why he went for cycle ride seven miles from No 10
The Evening Standard has a good exclusive today. It reports that Boris Johnson went for a cycle ride around the Olympic Park on Sunday, seven miles from Downing Street."
Am not convinced he could cycle seven mile, let alone fourteen.. |
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"oh dear ...
Johnson under pressure to explain why he went for cycle ride seven miles from No 10
The Evening Standard has a good exclusive today. It reports that Boris Johnson went for a cycle ride around the Olympic Park on Sunday, seven miles from Downing Street.
Am not convinced he could cycle seven mile, let alone fourteen.. "
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"I think there should be a defined limit on travel so if you are caught more than 50 miles from home without a good excuse you get a fine "
A QC on a radio station confirmed there is no limit to how far you can drive for Exercise
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"I think there should be a defined limit on travel so if you are caught more than 50 miles from home without a good excuse you get a fine A QC on a radio station confirmed there is no limit to how far you can drive for Exercise "
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"I think there should be a defined limit on travel so if you are caught more than 50 miles from home without a good excuse you get a fine "
I'd love to see the data that correlates distance traveled to cov sars infection rates ??
Heres an anecdote
1 day ago I walk into the nation forrest from my home
I walked 2 hrs. a guess I saw 60 people
Nearest encounter 4 metres
Month ago
I drive 10 miles to foremark also the national forest
I walked 5 hrs
I guess i saw 20 people
Nearest encounter 10 metres
Average distance 100+ m
6 months ago
Cumbria
I walked 8 hrs
Saw approx 8 people
Nearest encounter 10 metres
Average distance 200 m+
I have a self contained camper
The virus has clear fixed rules i follow those rules and control the virus
Humans guess and hope and change their rules
Simple horrid fact
Travel 1 10 100 miles and social distance you control the virus
Be part of a bubble care for mum nonchalantly go shopping have kids you spread the virus
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"I think there should be a defined limit on travel so if you are caught more than 50 miles from home without a good excuse you get a fine
I'd love to see the data that correlates distance traveled to cov sars infection rates ??
Heres an anecdote
1 day ago I walk into the nation forrest from my home
I walked 2 hrs. a guess I saw 60 people
Nearest encounter 4 metres
Month ago
I drive 10 miles to foremark also the national forest
I walked 5 hrs
I guess i saw 20 people
Nearest encounter 10 metres
Average distance 100+ m
6 months ago
Cumbria
I walked 8 hrs
Saw approx 8 people
Nearest encounter 10 metres
Average distance 200 m+
I have a self contained camper
The virus has clear fixed rules i follow those rules and control the virus
Humans guess and hope and change their rules
Simple horrid fact
Travel 1 10 100 miles and social distance you control the virus
Be part of a bubble care for mum nonchalantly go shopping have kids you spread the virus
Sorry "
I make you right. The issue I guess is that we now have 10 months of evidence that we can't be trusted to use common sense and keep our distance. So we have layer upon layer of regs to try and account for the ones who can't or wont follow the simple principles. |
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"I think there should be a defined limit on travel so if you are caught more than 50 miles from home without a good excuse you get a fine "
That’s quite some distance, I could reach Brighton (and Portsmouth nearly) to the south, going east I’d get past Canterbury / Colchester and not far outside Ipswich; to the north Cambridge and further; to the west nearly to Oxford & Winchester. It’s to big a distance |
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"I think there should be a defined limit on travel so if you are caught more than 50 miles from home without a good excuse you get a fine
That’s quite some distance, I could reach Brighton (and Portsmouth nearly) to the south, going east I’d get past Canterbury / Colchester and not far outside Ipswich; to the north Cambridge and further; to the west nearly to Oxford & Winchester. It’s to big a distance "
Because ????
I think we will find its 2 or more human sharing surfaces or breath that cov sars 2 cares about not how far one moves
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"I think there should be a defined limit on travel so if you are caught more than 50 miles from home without a good excuse you get a fine
That’s quite some distance, I could reach Brighton (and Portsmouth nearly) to the south, going east I’d get past Canterbury / Colchester and not far outside Ipswich; to the north Cambridge and further; to the west nearly to Oxford & Winchester. It’s to big a distance
Because ????
I think we will find its 2 or more human sharing surfaces or breath that cov sars 2 cares about not how far one moves
Evidence to contrary graciously accepted "
My data BTW
Last year people travelled lots between July and oct they visited parks lots
Numbers remained static
October came dark came people stop travelling and visit their mates and mum indoors
Up go the figures
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"I think there should be a defined limit on travel so if you are caught more than 50 miles from home without a good excuse you get a fine
That’s quite some distance, I could reach Brighton (and Portsmouth nearly) to the south, going east I’d get past Canterbury / Colchester and not far outside Ipswich; to the north Cambridge and further; to the west nearly to Oxford & Winchester. It’s to big a distance
Because ????
I think we will find its 2 or more human sharing surfaces or breath that cov sars 2 cares about not how far one moves
Evidence to contrary graciously accepted "
Why I think it’s to far, does that really need explaining  your last paragraph says it, it’s people that spread it so why travel out of your local area.
You can see the spread of the new variant, apparently started in Kent, into bordering counties and now spreading out from there, why because people travel and mix.
Reduce the distance you travel and logic would dictate you localise any possible infection spread, in my opinion. |
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"I think there should be a defined limit on travel so if you are caught more than 50 miles from home without a good excuse you get a fine
That’s quite some distance, I could reach Brighton (and Portsmouth nearly) to the south, going east I’d get past Canterbury / Colchester and not far outside Ipswich; to the north Cambridge and further; to the west nearly to Oxford & Winchester. It’s to big a distance
Because ????
I think we will find its 2 or more human sharing surfaces or breath that cov sars 2 cares about not how far one moves
Evidence to contrary graciously accepted
Why I think it’s to far, does that really need explaining your last paragraph says it, it’s people that spread it so why travel out of your local area.
You can see the spread of the new variant, apparently started in Kent, into bordering counties and now spreading out from there, why because people travel and mix.
Reduce the distance you travel and logic would dictate you localise any possible infection spread, in my opinion. "
And mix
Why thank you I agree
So its absolutely not the travelling its the mixing
I totally agree |
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"I think there should be a defined limit on travel so if you are caught more than 50 miles from home without a good excuse you get a fine
That’s quite some distance, I could reach Brighton (and Portsmouth nearly) to the south, going east I’d get past Canterbury / Colchester and not far outside Ipswich; to the north Cambridge and further; to the west nearly to Oxford & Winchester. It’s to big a distance
Because ????
I think we will find its 2 or more human sharing surfaces or breath that cov sars 2 cares about not how far one moves
Evidence to contrary graciously accepted
Why I think it’s to far, does that really need explaining your last paragraph says it, it’s people that spread it so why travel out of your local area.
You can see the spread of the new variant, apparently started in Kent, into bordering counties and now spreading out from there, why because people travel and mix.
Reduce the distance you travel and logic would dictate you localise any possible infection spread, in my opinion.
And mix
Why thank you I agree
So its absolutely not the travelling its the mixing
I totally agree "
Whilst people mix with their mum
And then drive lorries or fix boiler or go to work it will spread
Its not the travel its the mix and many people seem to have a damn good reason to mix apparently most have a disabled mum they have to see for example
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"I think there should be a defined limit on travel so if you are caught more than 50 miles from home without a good excuse you get a fine
That’s quite some distance, I could reach Brighton (and Portsmouth nearly) to the south, going east I’d get past Canterbury / Colchester and not far outside Ipswich; to the north Cambridge and further; to the west nearly to Oxford & Winchester. It’s to big a distance
Because ????
I think we will find its 2 or more human sharing surfaces or breath that cov sars 2 cares about not how far one moves
Evidence to contrary graciously accepted
Why I think it’s to far, does that really need explaining your last paragraph says it, it’s people that spread it so why travel out of your local area.
You can see the spread of the new variant, apparently started in Kent, into bordering counties and now spreading out from there, why because people travel and mix.
Reduce the distance you travel and logic would dictate you localise any possible infection spread, in my opinion.
And mix
Why thank you I agree
So its absolutely not the travelling its the mixing
I totally agree
Whilst people mix with their mum
And then drive lorries or fix boiler or go to work it will spread
Its not the travel its the mix and many people seem to have a damn good reason to mix apparently most have a disabled mum they have to see for example
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There will always be people that need to look after older or disabled relatives, that’s a fact of life and not something I’d want anyone to stop.
Unfortunately we cannot shut down the country completely, individuals need to manage and take responsibility for their own risks
The ones I have an issue with are those who just ignore the rules |
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"I think there should be a defined limit on travel so if you are caught more than 50 miles from home without a good excuse you get a fine
That’s quite some distance, I could reach Brighton (and Portsmouth nearly) to the south, going east I’d get past Canterbury / Colchester and not far outside Ipswich; to the north Cambridge and further; to the west nearly to Oxford & Winchester. It’s to big a distance
Because ????
I think we will find its 2 or more human sharing surfaces or breath that cov sars 2 cares about not how far one moves
Evidence to contrary graciously accepted
Why I think it’s to far, does that really need explaining your last paragraph says it, it’s people that spread it so why travel out of your local area.
You can see the spread of the new variant, apparently started in Kent, into bordering counties and now spreading out from there, why because people travel and mix.
Reduce the distance you travel and logic would dictate you localise any possible infection spread, in my opinion.
And mix
Why thank you I agree
So its absolutely not the travelling its the mixing
I totally agree "
But travelling does come into as well. If people didn’t travel to mix it would have stayed localised in Kent. So it is a mixture of both |
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"I think there should be a defined limit on travel so if you are caught more than 50 miles from home without a good excuse you get a fine
That’s quite some distance, I could reach Brighton (and Portsmouth nearly) to the south, going east I’d get past Canterbury / Colchester and not far outside Ipswich; to the north Cambridge and further; to the west nearly to Oxford & Winchester. It’s to big a distance
Because ????
I think we will find its 2 or more human sharing surfaces or breath that cov sars 2 cares about not how far one moves
Evidence to contrary graciously accepted
Why I think it’s to far, does that really need explaining your last paragraph says it, it’s people that spread it so why travel out of your local area.
You can see the spread of the new variant, apparently started in Kent, into bordering counties and now spreading out from there, why because people travel and mix.
Reduce the distance you travel and logic would dictate you localise any possible infection spread, in my opinion.
And mix
Why thank you I agree
So its absolutely not the travelling its the mixing
I totally agree
Whilst people mix with their mum
And then drive lorries or fix boiler or go to work it will spread
Its not the travel its the mix and many people seem to have a damn good reason to mix apparently most have a disabled mum they have to see for example
There will always be people that need to look after older or disabled relatives, that’s a fact of life and not something I’d want anyone to stop.
Unfortunately we cannot shut down the country completely, individuals need to manage and take responsibility for their own risks
The ones I have an issue with are those who just ignore the rules "
And they will spread the virus fact of death im afraid
The rules have no limit on travel
They do say keep a distance i agree
Follow cov sars rules it will be difficult to spread
Justify meeting or not keeping distance apart it will kill
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"I think there should be a defined limit on travel so if you are caught more than 50 miles from home without a good excuse you get a fine
That’s quite some distance, I could reach Brighton (and Portsmouth nearly) to the south, going east I’d get past Canterbury / Colchester and not far outside Ipswich; to the north Cambridge and further; to the west nearly to Oxford & Winchester. It’s to big a distance
Because ????
I think we will find its 2 or more human sharing surfaces or breath that cov sars 2 cares about not how far one moves
Evidence to contrary graciously accepted
Why I think it’s to far, does that really need explaining your last paragraph says it, it’s people that spread it so why travel out of your local area.
You can see the spread of the new variant, apparently started in Kent, into bordering counties and now spreading out from there, why because people travel and mix.
Reduce the distance you travel and logic would dictate you localise any possible infection spread, in my opinion.
And mix
Why thank you I agree
So its absolutely not the travelling its the mixing
I totally agree
But travelling does come into as well. If people didn’t travel to mix it would have stayed localised in Kent. So it is a mixture of both "
But they are mixers
They walk 300 m North and meet their meet walks 500 m North and meet or no mask and so on
Travel 500 miles don't meet cov sars don't like you |
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"I think there should be a defined limit on travel so if you are caught more than 50 miles from home without a good excuse you get a fine
That’s quite some distance, I could reach Brighton (and Portsmouth nearly) to the south, going east I’d get past Canterbury / Colchester and not far outside Ipswich; to the north Cambridge and further; to the west nearly to Oxford & Winchester. It’s to big a distance
Because ????
I think we will find its 2 or more human sharing surfaces or breath that cov sars 2 cares about not how far one moves
Evidence to contrary graciously accepted
Why I think it’s to far, does that really need explaining your last paragraph says it, it’s people that spread it so why travel out of your local area.
You can see the spread of the new variant, apparently started in Kent, into bordering counties and now spreading out from there, why because people travel and mix.
Reduce the distance you travel and logic would dictate you localise any possible infection spread, in my opinion.
And mix
Why thank you I agree
So its absolutely not the travelling its the mixing
I totally agree
Whilst people mix with their mum
And then drive lorries or fix boiler or go to work it will spread
Its not the travel its the mix and many people seem to have a damn good reason to mix apparently most have a disabled mum they have to see for example
There will always be people that need to look after older or disabled relatives, that’s a fact of life and not something I’d want anyone to stop.
Unfortunately we cannot shut down the country completely, individuals need to manage and take responsibility for their own risks
The ones I have an issue with are those who just ignore the rules
And they will spread the virus fact of death im afraid
The rules have no limit on travel
They do say keep a distance i agree
Follow cov sars rules it will be difficult to spread
Justify meeting or not keeping distance apart it will kill
Happy to agree "
Agree don’t follow the basics and limit contact is the only way.
For example since March I’ve seen a grand total of 5 people outside my house from 3 households; a visit to the folks in July, a visit to my other folks in August and a catch up with a friend in October. All of those had 10 day isolation before and after each trip and even when with the folks, we didn’t hug, we kept our distance, rarely in the same room indoors. The only meal we shared was an evening meal which one of us would cook alone and then eaten outside. |
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By *mmmMaybeCouple
over a year ago
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"It's sad that the police were already in wait at the remote carpark. It's not against the law to drive then walk.
Easy money isnt it , bit like sitting in wait for speeding motorists doing 32mph in a 30mph zone . Should be out dealing with real crime there is plenty going on . Not a Police hater btw they just seem to have their priorities all wrong in my opinion"
No, If they wanted to do that they could just set up ANPR cameras by all beauty spots on a sat/sun & send fines to every car passing that’s more than five miles from its registered address.
If you were at work etc. Provide proof & fines cancelled.
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"I think there should be a defined limit on travel so if you are caught more than 50 miles from home without a good excuse you get a fine
That’s quite some distance, I could reach Brighton (and Portsmouth nearly) to the south, going east I’d get past Canterbury / Colchester and not far outside Ipswich; to the north Cambridge and further; to the west nearly to Oxford & Winchester. It’s to big a distance
Because ????
I think we will find its 2 or more human sharing surfaces or breath that cov sars 2 cares about not how far one moves
Evidence to contrary graciously accepted
Why I think it’s to far, does that really need explaining your last paragraph says it, it’s people that spread it so why travel out of your local area.
You can see the spread of the new variant, apparently started in Kent, into bordering counties and now spreading out from there, why because people travel and mix.
Reduce the distance you travel and logic would dictate you localise any possible infection spread, in my opinion.
And mix
Why thank you I agree
So its absolutely not the travelling its the mixing
I totally agree
Whilst people mix with their mum
And then drive lorries or fix boiler or go to work it will spread
Its not the travel its the mix and many people seem to have a damn good reason to mix apparently most have a disabled mum they have to see for example
There will always be people that need to look after older or disabled relatives, that’s a fact of life and not something I’d want anyone to stop.
Unfortunately we cannot shut down the country completely, individuals need to manage and take responsibility for their own risks
The ones I have an issue with are those who just ignore the rules
And they will spread the virus fact of death im afraid
The rules have no limit on travel
They do say keep a distance i agree
Follow cov sars rules it will be difficult to spread
Justify meeting or not keeping distance apart it will kill
Happy to agree
Agree don’t follow the basics and limit contact is the only way.
For example since March I’ve seen a grand total of 5 people outside my house from 3 households; a visit to the folks in July, a visit to my other folks in August and a catch up with a friend in October. All of those had 10 day isolation before and after each trip and even when with the folks, we didn’t hug, we kept our distance, rarely in the same room indoors. The only meal we shared was an evening meal which one of us would cook alone and then eaten outside. "
OK being candid ill level
I do actually 100 percent understand the background behind the "restrict travel" mantra
We absolutely know that
Its meeting and contact which are the virus conduits however policing or enforcement is nigh on impossible
The travel restrictions are an attempt at a proxy ,A vague attempt at equivalence which can be monitored
But its a poor one full of holes and injustice
It absolutely does not catch the main spreaders and in a vain clumsy attempt to do so it removes liberties that in absolutely no way contribute to perpetuating the virus
I go further.i suggest that those suggesting travel is a major vector it is a distraction from the simple fundamentals that seriously do contribute to spread and death
I absolutely understand why the simplistic blunt tool is advocated as a solution however in reality it subverts the actions we must all intimately understand and follow for years to come
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
Dubai & Nottingham |
The fine seems valid to me, there’s no need to travel for exercise , we all do it because we want time out in a nice place as well with company , but it’s not really just exercise. If you get caught it’s your own fault for being a dumb ass |
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"The fine seems valid to me, there’s no need to travel for exercise , we all do it because we want time out in a nice place as well with company , but it’s not really just exercise. If you get caught it’s your own fault for being a dumb ass "
And there is no need to restrict it to prevent sars
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"The fine seems valid to me, there’s no need to travel for exercise , we all do it because we want time out in a nice place as well with company , but it’s not really just exercise. If you get caught it’s your own fault for being a dumb ass
And there is no need to restrict it to prevent sars
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Aaaannd if it can be illustrated it does the ALL travel. There is no such thing as essential in such case if travel kills travel kills period lorries vans food post the whole lot
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
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"The fine seems valid to me, there’s no need to travel for exercise , we all do it because we want time out in a nice place as well with company , but it’s not really just exercise. If you get caught it’s your own fault for being a dumb ass
And there is no need to restrict it to prevent sars
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they should fine school kids, 30 in a class flicking bogeys, fighting and sharing cigarettes, then going home and infecting 30 families.... they are the super spreaders, lock them up |
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"The fine seems valid to me, there’s no need to travel for exercise , we all do it because we want time out in a nice place as well with company , but it’s not really just exercise. If you get caught it’s your own fault for being a dumb ass "
If we are going to use daft blunt catch all logic
Some lorry drivers are covid denying prostitute using mixers amongst other so called essential travelers (i did say some not they or they all)
Thus using fudgey tar all catch all un modulated non logic we should to prevent deaths and spread ground all traffic
What you mean starvation
Well if you want to stop the spread you need decisive hard action surely ???
But obviously that is a ridiculous idea but not doing so will absolutely mean regardless of any other measures it will spread
Nasty little shit sars it does not much care for the human need for food or caring for their kids or parents we need to do that and that is why you won't stop it |
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And there is no need to restrict it to prevent sars
they should fine school kids, 30 in a class flicking bogeys, fighting and sharing cigarettes, then going home and infecting 30 families.... they are the super spreaders, lock them up "
No they should fine gran and grandad for allowing visits
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"The fine seems valid to me, there’s no need to travel for exercise , we all do it because we want time out in a nice place as well with company , but it’s not really just exercise. If you get caught it’s your own fault for being a dumb ass "
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