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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Hi Guys
One thing is clear in my role and speaking with my colleagues these last few days is that some businesses this time around which aren't really essential are staying open and making staff go in.
In case you didn't know but last time and likely this time the business grants to help were also given to businesses who managed to stay open in some capacity. So staying open if they can doesn't cost them in lost grants.
I've spoken to a few owners yesterday who very candidly said they are staying open because its basically sink or swim time adding a fuck Boris to the conversation.
The feeling is as long as your not in a high street building in full view like a retail shop then its much easy to stay open.
An example been lockdown 2 TJ Hughes decided to stay open and made staff come in (they are a clothes and home store they don't sell food a bit like a TK Maxx).
It took staff reporting, the local council team issuing a large fine and force closing the store.
This time round things are much much worse with covid yet most of our friends have been told they have to come into work this time.
What has other fabber experiences been this time during lockdown 3.
KJ
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By *amissCouple
over a year ago
chelmsford |
I don't think non essential businesses should be open and whilst there's a huge financial impact on them,they would draw customers to them and the idea is for us to only go out when necessary to avoid further transmission. |
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I've said it elsewhere, this lockdown is nothing in comparison to the first. Last year manufacturing stopped, there were no drive through fast food, no click and collect, no DIY or garden centres, the roads were deserted, travel reports didn't exist. |
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I went to the bank yesterday and I didn't see any "non essential" shops open. I did see a heck of a lot of food kiosks/takeaways open though, and a lot of people milling around, sat eating Subway/Greggs on the benches etc. |
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
Dubai & Nottingham |
There is a cafe near us staying open for take away coffee and food. Either side are clothes shops, closed. The cafe has used the space out front and to the sides to put rails of clothes and other non essential items for sale. We see this kind of thing a lot, selling one or two essential items gives you ability to continue trading during Covid and expand to take business from those forces to close.
The main problem is enforcement of trading is down to local councils, who often have no resources. |
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"I've said it elsewhere, this lockdown is nothing in comparison to the first. Last year manufacturing stopped, there were no drive through fast food, no click and collect, no DIY or garden centres, the roads were deserted, travel reports didn't exist. "
DIY/hardware shops could stay open last lockdown. I agree about the garden centres, fast food etc. |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
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"I've said it elsewhere, this lockdown is nothing in comparison to the first. Last year manufacturing stopped, there were no drive through fast food, no click and collect, no DIY or garden centres, the roads were deserted, travel reports didn't exist. "
Last March people were scared of dying, now it's not black and white. |
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By *amissCouple
over a year ago
chelmsford |
"I went to the bank yesterday and I didn't see any "non essential" shops open. I did see a heck of a lot of food kiosks/takeaways open though, and a lot of people milling around, sat eating Subway/Greggs on the benches etc."
Where i shop, there are no non essential shops open. I just go to the supermarket anyway and don't go to other shops. |
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"I went to the bank yesterday and I didn't see any "non essential" shops open. I did see a heck of a lot of food kiosks/takeaways open though, and a lot of people milling around, sat eating Subway/Greggs on the benches etc.
Where i shop, there are no non essential shops open. I just go to the supermarket anyway and don't go to other shops."
I had cheques to pay into a children's passbook account and a parcel to post to the EU, hence going to town. |
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"It's not just shops. I work in a warehouse which has never closed. All we deal with is the clothes for Asda. Nothing else."
Children especially need clothes during lockdown. It's been nearly a year now and children grow. Our daughter has been kitted out with the essentials mainly from the local Sainsbury's. We managed a Clarks fitting just before lockdown (her feet had grown) and we will be buying a new coat online somewhere soon as she's grown out of hers. We did buy one for Christmas but turns out that wasn't right either and there were none left when we returned it. |
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By *amissCouple
over a year ago
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"I went to the bank yesterday and I didn't see any "non essential" shops open. I did see a heck of a lot of food kiosks/takeaways open though, and a lot of people milling around, sat eating Subway/Greggs on the benches etc.
Where i shop, there are no non essential shops open. I just go to the supermarket anyway and don't go to other shops.
I had cheques to pay into a children's passbook account and a parcel to post to the EU, hence going to town."
Yes I would only go to town to go to the bank. We had some business to do with our solicitor, everything had to be done over the phone or by post, we couldn't go in the office, not a bad thing.. |
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The list of businesses are quite clear what can stay open either for customers inside or click & collect / takeaway. Even those with dual purpose it is clear what elements they are allowed to sell and not.
They will be leaving themselves open to a fine and forced closure if they don’t. Personally if it was me I would be whistleblowing on my employer if they were making me go to work in a non essential business premises |
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
Dubai & Nottingham |
"Can anyone tell me how garden centres are seen as essential, especially at this time of year?
Vape shops? Essential? "
Some garden centres that sell animal food or local free range eggs got around it last time as those items are essential. We wanted to buy a plant for a present, they said we could but had to buy an essential item as well or they’d be in breach of rules so we bought some eggs. |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
I'm seeing plenty of people, who worked from home in the warm Spring, still in work this time in the cold Winter.
I thought the instruction was pretty clear... If you can work from home, then you should do so! |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"Can anyone tell me how garden centres are seen as essential, especially at this time of year?
Vape shops? Essential?
Some garden centres that sell animal food or local free range eggs got around it last time as those items are essential. We wanted to buy a plant for a present, they said we could but had to buy an essential item as well or they’d be in breach of rules so we bought some eggs."
They've all cottoned on how to get around the rules. Garden centres with eggs and local bread, general purpose stores with multi-pack biscuits and crisps.
Getting "around the rules" is not going to make this thing go away! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It's not just the shops. As a tradesman we are allowed into people's houses. Obviously there are covid secure guidelines but still, how do I know if the people in the house are not contagious. I may visit up to four households in one day. Its not always essential work people want, so shouldn't the same rules apply? Essential to me means hot water, electricity and heating. Anything else can wait a few weeks surely? |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"Can anyone tell me how garden centres are seen as essential, especially at this time of year?
Vape shops? Essential?
Vape shops are classed as non essential and therefore should be closed "
One was certainly open in town yesterday. Hopefully the council have had a walk around and had a word. |
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"Can anyone tell me how garden centres are seen as essential, especially at this time of year?
Vape shops? Essential?
Vape shops are classed as non essential and therefore should be closed
One was certainly open in town yesterday. Hopefully the council have had a walk around and had a word. "
Today may be different as the T5 rules become legal |
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By *hagTonightMan
over a year ago
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I think that all businesses should be open as long as possible, remember that it is peoples livelihoods that are at stake here. I have said it before and I always will, lockdowns are more devastating than the virus. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I went to the bank yesterday and I didn't see any "non essential" shops open. I did see a heck of a lot of food kiosks/takeaways open though, and a lot of people milling around, sat eating Subway/Greggs on the benches etc."
We aren't talking about non essential retail. They have to close been on the high street they can't hide. Hence my example about TG Hughes.
We are talking about all the businesses not retail, not on the high street that aren't essential that are staying open.
E.G
A local factory that makes mugs and T shirts.
A call centre purely for sales of mobile contracts.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Can anyone tell me how garden centres are seen as essential, especially at this time of year?
Vape shops? Essential?
Vape shops are classed as non essential and therefore should be closed
One was certainly open in town yesterday. Hopefully the council have had a walk around and had a word. "
Are you sure they are not just doing click and collect, the one in my town looks open but it is only for those that have ordered online. |
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By *amissCouple
over a year ago
chelmsford |
In the summer, we had a new baby due in the family. I went into Sainsbury's to buy her some sleepsuits etc, but the clothes area was all sealed off! I ordered them online, but was still
struggling, as stocks were low. Clothes, especially for children, are essential, imo. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I think that all businesses should be open as long as possible, remember that it is peoples livelihoods that are at stake here. I have said it before and I always will, lockdowns are more devastating than the virus."
Utter tosh my friend, you might have staff so scared of losing jobs being made to travel to work so someone can buy a shirt and scared about the virus....should be total lockdown and curfew after 6pm only the major supermarkets and chemists should be open |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"It's not just shops. I work in a warehouse which has never closed. All we deal with is the clothes for Asda. Nothing else.
Children especially need clothes during lockdown. It's been nearly a year now and children grow. Our daughter has been kitted out with the essentials mainly from the local Sainsbury's. We managed a Clarks fitting just before lockdown (her feet had grown) and we will be buying a new coat online somewhere soon as she's grown out of hers. We did buy one for Christmas but turns out that wasn't right either and there were none left when we returned it. "
We have an 8 week baby he wears certain items once before they are to small so totally understand.
But...... why can the big supermarkets scoop up all this business and leave our local independent children's clothes shops forced to close? Thus further driving sales into the big winners like Asda, Tesco, Amazon etc
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"Can anyone tell me how garden centres are seen as essential, especially at this time of year?
Vape shops? Essential?
Some garden centres that sell animal food or local free range eggs got around it last time as those items are essential. We wanted to buy a plant for a present, they said we could but had to buy an essential item as well or they’d be in breach of rules so we bought some eggs."
How is buying a plant a good reason to leave home ?
A stay at home order means stay at home unless shopping for essentials !
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"Can anyone tell me how garden centres are seen as essential, especially at this time of year?
Vape shops? Essential?
Some garden centres that sell animal food or local free range eggs got around it last time as those items are essential. We wanted to buy a plant for a present, they said we could but had to buy an essential item as well or they’d be in breach of rules so we bought some eggs.
How is buying a plant a good reason to leave home ?
A stay at home order means stay at home unless shopping for essentials !
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Exactly and that's the reason used by other businesses to say well sod that I'm opening as well rather than seeing my business go to the wall.
KJ |
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"It's not just shops. I work in a warehouse which has never closed. All we deal with is the clothes for Asda. Nothing else.
Children especially need clothes during lockdown. It's been nearly a year now and children grow. Our daughter has been kitted out with the essentials mainly from the local Sainsbury's. We managed a Clarks fitting just before lockdown (her feet had grown) and we will be buying a new coat online somewhere soon as she's grown out of hers. We did buy one for Christmas but turns out that wasn't right either and there were none left when we returned it.
We have an 8 week baby he wears certain items once before they are to small so totally understand.
But...... why can the big supermarkets scoop up all this business and leave our local independent children's clothes shops forced to close? Thus further driving sales into the big winners like Asda, Tesco, Amazon etc
KJ"
It’s harsh for the independent businesses, however, they could adapt and go to online purchasing / delivery to still sell their products. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"It's not just shops. I work in a warehouse which has never closed. All we deal with is the clothes for Asda. Nothing else.
Children especially need clothes during lockdown. It's been nearly a year now and children grow. Our daughter has been kitted out with the essentials mainly from the local Sainsbury's. We managed a Clarks fitting just before lockdown (her feet had grown) and we will be buying a new coat online somewhere soon as she's grown out of hers. We did buy one for Christmas but turns out that wasn't right either and there were none left when we returned it.
We have an 8 week baby he wears certain items once before they are to small so totally understand.
But...... why can the big supermarkets scoop up all this business and leave our local independent children's clothes shops forced to close? Thus further driving sales into the big winners like Asda, Tesco, Amazon etc
KJ"
I would just like to add our local independent children's clothes shop has a buzzer system so only 1 group of customers can enter at a time. Far far safer than the scenes I've seen at Asdas clothes section!
KJ |
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"I think that all businesses should be open as long as possible, remember that it is peoples livelihoods that are at stake here. I have said it before and I always will, lockdowns are more devastating than the virus."
Tell that to the families of the 830 people who died yesterday! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"It's not just shops. I work in a warehouse which has never closed. All we deal with is the clothes for Asda. Nothing else.
Children especially need clothes during lockdown. It's been nearly a year now and children grow. Our daughter has been kitted out with the essentials mainly from the local Sainsbury's. We managed a Clarks fitting just before lockdown (her feet had grown) and we will be buying a new coat online somewhere soon as she's grown out of hers. We did buy one for Christmas but turns out that wasn't right either and there were none left when we returned it.
We have an 8 week baby he wears certain items once before they are to small so totally understand.
But...... why can the big supermarkets scoop up all this business and leave our local independent children's clothes shops forced to close? Thus further driving sales into the big winners like Asda, Tesco, Amazon etc
KJ
It’s harsh for the independent businesses, however, they could adapt and go to online purchasing / delivery to still sell their products. "
They could and some do for sure but not all people are tech savvy enough to that.
We are actually matching potentially IT Savvy young people to small businesses forced to close via an apprenticeship programme to try and bridge that very gap.
KJ |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"What is unfair is huge multi national supermarket chains staying opening to corner the market on items that niche ships have been forced to stop selling through enforced closure "
But there also employ alot of people...every supermarket as a staff of at least 50+ |
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By *amissCouple
over a year ago
chelmsford |
"I think that all businesses should be open as long as possible, remember that it is peoples livelihoods that are at stake here. I have said it before and I always will, lockdowns are more devastating than the virus."
Shag, we have to try and stop people coming together, I do understand what you are saying, but I have to disagree with you, I think having the virus is far more devastating than lockdown, you only have to read the posts of the nhs staff who are caring for these patients and ultimately watching some die... |
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"Can anyone tell me how garden centres are seen as essential, especially at this time of year?
Vape shops? Essential?
Vape shops are classed as non essential and therefore should be closed "
We own a vape shop and yes we are non essential.
We are closed but offering home delivery.
The first lock down killed us as a business
We had just started to recover before the second lock down started.
Now this third lock down. Without doing some kind of trade we would close. The company would be in debit. We are doing all we can to make everything as safe as possible for us and our customers. |
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By *amissCouple
over a year ago
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"Can anyone tell me how garden centres are seen as essential, especially at this time of year?
Vape shops? Essential?
Some garden centres that sell animal food or local free range eggs got around it last time as those items are essential. We wanted to buy a plant for a present, they said we could but had to buy an essential item as well or they’d be in breach of rules so we bought some eggs.
How is buying a plant a good reason to leave home ?
A stay at home order means stay at home unless shopping for essentials !
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"What is unfair is huge multi national supermarket chains staying opening to corner the market on items that niche ships have been forced to stop selling through enforced closure
But there also employ alot of people...every supermarket as a staff of at least 50+ "
It's the local independent businesses that tend to take our young people who have become socially isolated, long term unemployed or never worked with zero work experience have various issues that need understanding and support.
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"It's not just shops. I work in a warehouse which has never closed. All we deal with is the clothes for Asda. Nothing else.
Children especially need clothes during lockdown. It's been nearly a year now and children grow. Our daughter has been kitted out with the essentials mainly from the local Sainsbury's. We managed a Clarks fitting just before lockdown (her feet had grown) and we will be buying a new coat online somewhere soon as she's grown out of hers. We did buy one for Christmas but turns out that wasn't right either and there were none left when we returned it.
We have an 8 week baby he wears certain items once before they are to small so totally understand.
But...... why can the big supermarkets scoop up all this business and leave our local independent children's clothes shops forced to close? Thus further driving sales into the big winners like Asda, Tesco, Amazon etc
KJ"
Our local high street shop owners have started selling via various online platforms but in all honesty, in terms of the kids clothes what they offer is dear, often very much "of a style" and impractical for our daughter and so Sainsbury's wins. What does she need clothes for? Nursery - where she adorns it with tomato soup and paint. Scrubbing around in the garden and going for nature walks in the snow/mud. I'm buying just very basic trousers, t-shirts, dresses/tights and wellies. In the summer, we bought multi pack shorts, t-shirt etc and cheap sandals. Unfortunately, the independent traders are not offering the basics we seek. |
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I'd prefer it to be closer to or the same as the 1st lockdown, with non essentials shut. Unless they are swinging venues, that could operate as takeaways, pop along for a snack and drink, to takeaway - anything that would stop any 1 of them going bust.
There are generally too many takeaway food businesses selling unhealthy dross. They should not be open, unless there are no food shops within miles open at some point every day. |
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"It's not just shops. I work in a warehouse which has never closed. All we deal with is the clothes for Asda. Nothing else.
Children especially need clothes during lockdown. It's been nearly a year now and children grow. Our daughter has been kitted out with the essentials mainly from the local Sainsbury's. We managed a Clarks fitting just before lockdown (her feet had grown) and we will be buying a new coat online somewhere soon as she's grown out of hers. We did buy one for Christmas but turns out that wasn't right either and there were none left when we returned it.
We have an 8 week baby he wears certain items once before they are to small so totally understand.
But...... why can the big supermarkets scoop up all this business and leave our local independent children's clothes shops forced to close? Thus further driving sales into the big winners like Asda, Tesco, Amazon etc
KJ
It’s harsh for the independent businesses, however, they could adapt and go to online purchasing / delivery to still sell their products.
They could and some do for sure but not all people are tech savvy enough to that.
We are actually matching potentially IT Savvy young people to small businesses forced to close via an apprenticeship programme to try and bridge that very gap.
KJ"
This is an excellent idea! |
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
Dubai & Nottingham |
"Can anyone tell me how garden centres are seen as essential, especially at this time of year?
Vape shops? Essential?
Some garden centres that sell animal food or local free range eggs got around it last time as those items are essential. We wanted to buy a plant for a present, they said we could but had to buy an essential item as well or they’d be in breach of rules so we bought some eggs.
How is buying a plant a good reason to leave home ?
A stay at home order means stay at home unless shopping for essentials !
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We checked, it’s allowed , read the act that passed into law, not the Boris show snippets |
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"Can anyone tell me how garden centres are seen as essential, especially at this time of year?
Vape shops? Essential?
Some garden centres that sell animal food or local free range eggs got around it last time as those items are essential. We wanted to buy a plant for a present, they said we could but had to buy an essential item as well or they’d be in breach of rules so we bought some eggs.
How is buying a plant a good reason to leave home ?
A stay at home order means stay at home unless shopping for essentials !
We checked, it’s allowed , read the act that passed into law, not the Boris show snippets "
The law states ...stay at home unless shopping for essentials or seeking medical help, stay close to home .
Nowhere does it mention buying a plant is essential .
You my lovely are part of the problem and it grips my shit that you would try to justify it!
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Can anyone tell me how garden centres are seen as essential, especially at this time of year?
Vape shops? Essential? "
Yes vape shops are essential, they deal with an addiction, close them and the alternatives are supermarkets who are overcharging for 10ml of shit liquid and don't sell any of the more advanced vape kit stuff or returning to smoking.
Garden centres are not essential for the every day person but are for places that use them for public upkeep, of course if they are open to the people that actually require them then they are unfortunately open to those who don't too |
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"I think that all businesses should be open as long as possible, remember that it is peoples livelihoods that are at stake here. I have said it before and I always will, lockdowns are more devastating than the virus."
Lockdowns can bring the infection levels down and have done - the 1st one was evidence of this. We started late, in March with hospitals overloaded and infections high, then came out progressively, when they were lower. That the government allows livelihoods to suffer, is a different point and something that we must remember when we vote for their party. The current lot sell themselves as economically sound, which should relate to individuals' economic wellbeing as well as the country's. We've certainly seen individuals securing £millions from them, so the wealth disparity between richer and poorer, highlighting how much of a priority your personal financial wellbeing actually is.
The lockdown has to be effective, however they make it so, there is no other point of it. It has to primarily be focused on NHS service protection, reducing infections and deaths, with securing individuals' essential financial wellbeing a necessary second. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Can anyone tell me how garden centres are seen as essential, especially at this time of year?
Vape shops? Essential?
Vape shops are classed as non essential and therefore should be closed "
And take away the places that vapers go to get advice and buy the things they need for their habit? And don't say the supermarket sells that stuff, because they really don't come close |
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"It's not just shops. I work in a warehouse which has never closed. All we deal with is the clothes for Asda. Nothing else.
Children especially need clothes during lockdown. It's been nearly a year now and children grow. Our daughter has been kitted out with the essentials mainly from the local Sainsbury's. We managed a Clarks fitting just before lockdown (her feet had grown) and we will be buying a new coat online somewhere soon as she's grown out of hers. We did buy one for Christmas but turns out that wasn't right either and there were none left when we returned it.
We have an 8 week baby he wears certain items once before they are to small so totally understand.
But...... why can the big supermarkets scoop up all this business and leave our local independent children's clothes shops forced to close? Thus further driving sales into the big winners like Asda, Tesco, Amazon etc
KJ
It’s harsh for the independent businesses, however, they could adapt and go to online purchasing / delivery to still sell their products. "
Easier said than done. The investment alone to get a small system for orders and deliveries is quite substantial, then you also need to employ more people to process and package the orders, depending on business size that could be a big payout too. |
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"I've heard cafe Nero are open on linthorpe road....now I like my coffee but it's far from essential .."
All the Café Nero, Costa, Starbucks etc are open for takeaway only or drive thru. Same with any other food and drink establishment (bar those selling alcohol). |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I've heard cafe Nero are open on linthorpe road....now I like my coffee but it's far from essential .."
It was open yesterday as staff were inside but there was no customers inside or outside when I went past.
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"Can anyone tell me how garden centres are seen as essential, especially at this time of year?
Vape shops? Essential?
Vape shops are classed as non essential and therefore should be closed
We own a vape shop and yes we are non essential.
We are closed but offering home delivery.
The first lock down killed us as a business
We had just started to recover before the second lock down started.
Now this third lock down. Without doing some kind of trade we would close. The company would be in debit. We are doing all we can to make everything as safe as possible for us and our customers. "
You aren't none essential, at least you shouldn't be classed as it, the people that come to you have an addiction. And they can't just use the supermarket to replace what you provide, you know what kit most vapers are using, the supermarkets don't supply any of that. |
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"It's not just shops. I work in a warehouse which has never closed. All we deal with is the clothes for Asda. Nothing else.
Children especially need clothes during lockdown. It's been nearly a year now and children grow. Our daughter has been kitted out with the essentials mainly from the local Sainsbury's. We managed a Clarks fitting just before lockdown (her feet had grown) and we will be buying a new coat online somewhere soon as she's grown out of hers. We did buy one for Christmas but turns out that wasn't right either and there were none left when we returned it.
We have an 8 week baby he wears certain items once before they are to small so totally understand.
But...... why can the big supermarkets scoop up all this business and leave our local independent children's clothes shops forced to close? Thus further driving sales into the big winners like Asda, Tesco, Amazon etc
KJ
It’s harsh for the independent businesses, however, they could adapt and go to online purchasing / delivery to still sell their products.
Easier said than done. The investment alone to get a small system for orders and deliveries is quite substantial, then you also need to employ more people to process and package the orders, depending on business size that could be a big payout too. "
Exactly sweeping comments like "just go sell online" are just completely unconsidered responses that totally fail to take into account the hurdles involved.
Some local councils are providing grants to cover the costs of software etc to help independent businesses trade online. They also offer trained staff to provide support / advice on how to set things up as well as supplying IT savvy young people via apprenticeship programme and hopefully via the kickstarter initiative.
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"I think that all businesses should be open as long as possible, remember that it is peoples livelihoods that are at stake here. I have said it before and I always will, lockdowns are more devastating than the virus."
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"What is unfair is huge multi national supermarket chains staying opening to corner the market on items that niche ships have been forced to stop selling through enforced closure
But there also employ alot of people...every supermarket as a staff of at least 50+ "
How is that any help for people who have had what they built ripped from them? "oh, you had to scrap the business you've built for the last five years?? Never mind, you can stack some shelves for a corporation, you'll feel suicidal while you do it but remember to smile and the customer is always right" |
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"Can anyone tell me how garden centres are seen as essential, especially at this time of year?
Vape shops? Essential?
Vape shops are classed as non essential and therefore should be closed
We own a vape shop and yes we are non essential.
We are closed but offering home delivery.
The first lock down killed us as a business
We had just started to recover before the second lock down started.
Now this third lock down. Without doing some kind of trade we would close. The company would be in debit. We are doing all we can to make everything as safe as possible for us and our customers.
You aren't none essential, at least you shouldn't be classed as it, the people that come to you have an addiction. And they can't just use the supermarket to replace what you provide, you know what kit most vapers are using, the supermarkets don't supply any of that. "
We see ourselves as essential. But the government don't so we have to follow their rules. |
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"It's not just shops. I work in a warehouse which has never closed. All we deal with is the clothes for Asda. Nothing else.
Children especially need clothes during lockdown. It's been nearly a year now and children grow. Our daughter has been kitted out with the essentials mainly from the local Sainsbury's. We managed a Clarks fitting just before lockdown (her feet had grown) and we will be buying a new coat online somewhere soon as she's grown out of hers. We did buy one for Christmas but turns out that wasn't right either and there were none left when we returned it.
We have an 8 week baby he wears certain items once before they are to small so totally understand.
But...... why can the big supermarkets scoop up all this business and leave our local independent children's clothes shops forced to close? Thus further driving sales into the big winners like Asda, Tesco, Amazon etc
KJ
It’s harsh for the independent businesses, however, they could adapt and go to online purchasing / delivery to still sell their products.
They could and some do for sure but not all people are tech savvy enough to that.
We are actually matching potentially IT Savvy young people to small businesses forced to close via an apprenticeship programme to try and bridge that very gap.
KJ"
True enough, good to see help out there. I know a few of local businesses took to Facebook last year and that’s helped them stay afloat, plus others offering free help to get them set up other ways |
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Hi Guys
One thing is clear in my role and speaking with my colleagues these last few days is that some businesses this time around which aren't really essential are staying open and making staff go in.
In case you didn't know but last time and likely this time the business grants to help were also given to businesses who managed to stay open in some capacity. So staying open if they can doesn't cost them in lost grants.
I've spoken to a few owners yesterday who very candidly said they are staying open because its basically sink or swim time adding a fuck Boris to the conversation.
The feeling is as long as your not in a high street building in full view like a retail shop then its much easy to stay open.
An example been lockdown 2 TJ Hughes decided to stay open and made staff come in (they are a clothes and home store they don't sell food a bit like a TK Maxx).
It took staff reporting, the local council team issuing a large fine and force closing the store.
This time round things are much much worse with covid yet most of our friends have been told they have to come into work this time.
What has other fabber experiences been this time during lockdown 3.
KJ
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Thing is... Its not fuck Boris... Its fuck you and fuck your frieds family and especially elderly. I have close family at deaths door because some fucker gave her covid. So I have no patience at all for rule breakers and spreaders. We have to change or this thing is going to rip through everyone's families. |
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"Can anyone tell me how garden centres are seen as essential, especially at this time of year?
Vape shops? Essential?
Vape shops are classed as non essential and therefore should be closed
We own a vape shop and yes we are non essential.
We are closed but offering home delivery.
The first lock down killed us as a business
We had just started to recover before the second lock down started.
Now this third lock down. Without doing some kind of trade we would close. The company would be in debit. We are doing all we can to make everything as safe as possible for us and our customers.
You aren't none essential, at least you shouldn't be classed as it, the people that come to you have an addiction. And they can't just use the supermarket to replace what you provide, you know what kit most vapers are using, the supermarkets don't supply any of that.
We see ourselves as essential. But the government don't so we have to follow their rules. "
It's madness, but I guess just the way things are, let's be honest, large parts of government have been against vaping for years now anyway. I hope that your sales still roll in and you survive this saga! |
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I feel extremely sorry for the small businesses that will probably not survive this lockdown .I can totally understand why the most that have followed the rules are pissed off about the small amount that are taking the piss.
The Saturday before Christmas we had to go into lockdown and yet near us there is a small firework shop that has stayed open throughout even up to New Year’s Eve now that is just taking the piss. |
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Hi Guys
One thing is clear in my role and speaking with my colleagues these last few days is that some businesses this time around which aren't really essential are staying open and making staff go in.
In case you didn't know but last time and likely this time the business grants to help were also given to businesses who managed to stay open in some capacity. So staying open if they can doesn't cost them in lost grants.
I've spoken to a few owners yesterday who very candidly said they are staying open because its basically sink or swim time adding a fuck Boris to the conversation.
The feeling is as long as your not in a high street building in full view like a retail shop then its much easy to stay open.
An example been lockdown 2 TJ Hughes decided to stay open and made staff come in (they are a clothes and home store they don't sell food a bit like a TK Maxx).
It took staff reporting, the local council team issuing a large fine and force closing the store.
This time round things are much much worse with covid yet most of our friends have been told they have to come into work this time.
What has other fabber experiences been this time during lockdown 3.
KJ
Thing is... Its not fuck Boris... Its fuck you and fuck your frieds family and especially elderly. I have close family at deaths door because some fucker gave her covid. So I have no patience at all for rule breakers and spreaders. We have to change or this thing is going to rip through everyone's families. "
I'm sorry to hear about your family member and I hope she pulls through.
On that basis though then surely you must be against fab status updates that enable geographic adverts and link ups for local sex meets? I mean the large volume of cam veris describing sex meets is ridiculous right?
If you believe all non essential business must close no matter the cost then its not a big ask to fab to shut 1 facility that will no doubt reduce a small part of the spread and even save a few lives right?
None of the people meeting near me have been banned but some of my friends on here have just for raising the issue. Just saying.
That's the last I'm saying on the issue history will judge us all. Or the media if they get there first.
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Here in Northern Ireland Ireland, garden centres and homeware stores aren't allowed to open, also non-essential retail aren't permitted to allow click and collect. I think this is probably as it should be right now |
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Hi Guys
One thing is clear in my role and speaking with my colleagues these last few days is that some businesses this time around which aren't really essential are staying open and making staff go in.
In case you didn't know but last time and likely this time the business grants to help were also given to businesses who managed to stay open in some capacity. So staying open if they can doesn't cost them in lost grants.
I've spoken to a few owners yesterday who very candidly said they are staying open because its basically sink or swim time adding a fuck Boris to the conversation.
The feeling is as long as your not in a high street building in full view like a retail shop then its much easy to stay open.
An example been lockdown 2 TJ Hughes decided to stay open and made staff come in (they are a clothes and home store they don't sell food a bit like a TK Maxx).
It took staff reporting, the local council team issuing a large fine and force closing the store.
This time round things are much much worse with covid yet most of our friends have been told they have to come into work this time.
What has other fabber experiences been this time during lockdown 3.
KJ
Thing is... Its not fuck Boris... Its fuck you and fuck your frieds family and especially elderly. I have close family at deaths door because some fucker gave her covid. So I have no patience at all for rule breakers and spreaders. We have to change or this thing is going to rip through everyone's families.
I'm sorry to hear about your family member and I hope she pulls through.
On that basis though then surely you must be against fab status updates that enable geographic adverts and link ups for local sex meets? I mean the large volume of cam veris describing sex meets is ridiculous right?
If you believe all non essential business must close no matter the cost then its not a big ask to fab to shut 1 facility that will no doubt reduce a small part of the spread and even save a few lives right?
None of the people meeting near me have been banned but some of my friends on here have just for raising the issue. Just saying.
That's the last I'm saying on the issue history will judge us all. Or the media if they get there first.
KJ"
I appreciate your wishes thank you. Its a very worrying time and the hospital is like a war zone so unfortunately not able to find out how things are.
As for the bullshit status and veris and adverts.. Your damned right I'm against it. And I agree with what you say. Unless we change behaviours we can't change the outcomes. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"There is a cafe near us staying open for take away coffee and food. Either side are clothes shops, closed. The cafe has used the space out front and to the sides to put rails of clothes and other non essential items for sale. We see this kind of thing a lot, selling one or two essential items gives you ability to continue trading during Covid and expand to take business from those forces to close.
The main problem is enforcement of trading is down to local councils, who often have no resources."
This is sadly true and what concerns me is are these non essential shops etc claiming grant furlough etc when opening a bet a few are.They are stealing from honest law abiding business as well as committing tax fraud. |
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"Depends really like I work sainsburys and there is a argos in store staying open makes sense whilst in there pick up a non essential click collect item x
Makes sense to me  "
mind u some of the staff in there are right moaning! X |
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By *amissCouple
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"Depends really like I work sainsburys and there is a argos in store staying open makes sense whilst in there pick up a non essential click collect item x
Makes sense to me
mind u some of the staff in there are right moaning! X"
Haha, why are they moaning ? X |
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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago
Northampton Somewhere |
I feel so sorry for independent traders who have been forced to close while the big supermarkets can sell what they want. They are the winners in all of this.
Garden Centres ~ some of them sell food and that is fair enough but I don't think they should be allowed to sell anything else, like in Scotland. The PM needs to bring in more detail re essential shopping ie one family member allowed (obvs there will be exceptional circumstances). Too many people killing a few hours in garden centres, they'll probably end up closing anyway or being click and collect only. |
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"Depends really like I work sainsburys and there is a argos in store staying open makes sense whilst in there pick up a non essential click collect item x
Makes sense to me
mind u some of the staff in there are right moaning! X
Haha, why are they moaning ? X"
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"Can anyone tell me how garden centres are seen as essential, especially at this time of year?
Vape shops? Essential?
Vape shops are classed as non essential and therefore should be closed
We own a vape shop and yes we are non essential.
We are closed but offering home delivery.
The first lock down killed us as a business
We had just started to recover before the second lock down started.
Now this third lock down. Without doing some kind of trade we would close. The company would be in debit. We are doing all we can to make everything as safe as possible for us and our customers.
You aren't none essential, at least you shouldn't be classed as it, the people that come to you have an addiction. And they can't just use the supermarket to replace what you provide, you know what kit most vapers are using, the supermarkets don't supply any of that.
We see ourselves as essential. But the government don't so we have to follow their rules.
It's madness, but I guess just the way things are, let's be honest, large parts of government have been against vaping for years now anyway. I hope that your sales still roll in and you survive this saga! "
Let's hope they don't want us to pay the vat and corporation tax bills.
They forcing us to close, very little revenue coming in.
P.a.y.e and national insurance along with rent, electricity and other bills.
Any help they give really doesn't go far. |
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Hi Guys
One thing is clear in my role and speaking with my colleagues these last few days is that some businesses this time around which aren't really essential are staying open and making staff go in.
In case you didn't know but last time and likely this time the business grants to help were also given to businesses who managed to stay open in some capacity. So staying open if they can doesn't cost them in lost grants.
I've spoken to a few owners yesterday who very candidly said they are staying open because its basically sink or swim time adding a fuck Boris to the conversation.
The feeling is as long as your not in a high street building in full view like a retail shop then its much easy to stay open.
An example been lockdown 2 TJ Hughes decided to stay open and made staff come in (they are a clothes and home store they don't sell food a bit like a TK Maxx).
It took staff reporting, the local council team issuing a large fine and force closing the store.
This time round things are much much worse with covid yet most of our friends have been told they have to come into work this time.
What has other fabber experiences been this time during lockdown 3.
KJ
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This is what happens when a country is run like a company. We care more about wealth than health. The middle class ignores the poor so that the government can abuse us for the so called economy. |
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Hi Guys
One thing is clear in my role and speaking with my colleagues these last few days is that some businesses this time around which aren't really essential are staying open and making staff go in.
In case you didn't know but last time and likely this time the business grants to help were also given to businesses who managed to stay open in some capacity. So staying open if they can doesn't cost them in lost grants.
I've spoken to a few owners yesterday who very candidly said they are staying open because its basically sink or swim time adding a fuck Boris to the conversation.
The feeling is as long as your not in a high street building in full view like a retail shop then its much easy to stay open.
An example been lockdown 2 TJ Hughes decided to stay open and made staff come in (they are a clothes and home store they don't sell food a bit like a TK Maxx).
It took staff reporting, the local council team issuing a large fine and force closing the store.
This time round things are much much worse with covid yet most of our friends have been told they have to come into work this time.
What has other fabber experiences been this time during lockdown 3.
KJ
Thing is... Its not fuck Boris... Its fuck you and fuck your frieds family and especially elderly. I have close family at deaths door because some fucker gave her covid. So I have no patience at all for rule breakers and spreaders. We have to change or this thing is going to rip through everyone's families.
I'm sorry to hear about your family member and I hope she pulls through.
On that basis though then surely you must be against fab status updates that enable geographic adverts and link ups for local sex meets? I mean the large volume of cam veris describing sex meets is ridiculous right?
If you believe all non essential business must close no matter the cost then its not a big ask to fab to shut 1 facility that will no doubt reduce a small part of the spread and even save a few lives right?
None of the people meeting near me have been banned but some of my friends on here have just for raising the issue. Just saying.
That's the last I'm saying on the issue history will judge us all. Or the media if they get there first.
KJ
I appreciate your wishes thank you. Its a very worrying time and the hospital is like a war zone so unfortunately not able to find out how things are.
As for the bullshit status and veris and adverts.. Your damned right I'm against it. And I agree with what you say. Unless we change behaviours we can't change the outcomes. "
Fair play buddy.
I hope Fab finally listens.
What we are asking i.e. remove an abused feature the status update is nothing compared to the sacrifices made by small businesses. Even now many are looking for meets in my area and there's cam veris still been left clearly describing sex meets from this week. Lots of people have posted threads on it but they soon get shut down / deleted.
1041 deaths today and 62,322 infections. I fear its going to rise further.
Stay safe and I hope your family member pulls through.
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"I think that all businesses should be open as long as possible, remember that it is peoples livelihoods that are at stake here. I have said it before and I always will, lockdowns are more devastating than the virus.
Tell that to the families of the 830 people who died yesterday! "
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In this economic environment there is not a single small business that is not essential to at least one family.
All businesses have been jumping through every hoop and complying with every rule going just to stay afloat.
It's easy for people to cry "lockdown everything" when they're sitting at home on furlough.
Most small business owners and staff who work for them don't qualify for such luxury and are left to hang dry with no means of reasonable income to cover basic bills.
If furlough money was taken away from everyone - nobody would ask for any lockdowns and would just follow the safety guidance while going to work.
May be an unpopular opinion, but that's how life works. People need to eat and be able to afford to provide for their families |
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"On my way home went past a second hand white goods shop open , plus no decrease in traffic this lock down , nothing like the first one "
Consider a family where the parents both been furloughed, or worse, lost their job altogether. Not much cash spare. Washing machine packs in. Or the cooker or fridge. What do they do? I know, straight down the 2nd hand white good shop that is thankfully still open. |
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"On my way home went past a second hand white goods shop open , plus no decrease in traffic this lock down , nothing like the first one "
I'd take a guess its probably people coming home from work. |
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By *ty31Man
over a year ago
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"In this economic environment there is not a single small business that is not essential to at least one family.
All businesses have been jumping through every hoop and complying with every rule going just to stay afloat.
It's easy for people to cry "lockdown everything" when they're sitting at home on furlough.
Most small business owners and staff who work for them don't qualify for such luxury and are left to hang dry with no means of reasonable income to cover basic bills.
If furlough money was taken away from everyone - nobody would ask for any lockdowns and would just follow the safety guidance while going to work.
May be an unpopular opinion, but that's how life works. People need to eat and be able to afford to provide for their families "
Well said, always a flipside to the coin. |
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Too many people just consider what is essential to them and decry anything that doesn't conform with what they believe should or shouldn't be open. For example, have read comments complaining Halfords is open because that's where folk go for a bike or a new radio and who needs that during lockdown. No thought given to the fact they also sell windscreen wipers, bulbs and batteries Mong other things which could be ever difference between a frontline worker getting to their vital job or not. |
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Might get a roasting for this but i have 2.
1. Take aways and fast food of any kind. No need for them. A take away is not essential yet every one is open. Even i wouldnt be happy but its still true
2. Food shops, stores, corner stores. Does every one of these need to be opened? In firat lockdown i avoided big supermarkets due to queueing so these came in handy, but i feel the volume of food shops open is crazy.
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"Might get a roasting for this but i have 2.
1. Take aways and fast food of any kind. No need for them. A take away is not essential yet every one is open. Even i wouldnt be happy but its still true
2. Food shops, stores, corner stores. Does every one of these need to be opened? In firat lockdown i avoided big supermarkets due to queueing so these came in handy, but i feel the volume of food shops open is crazy.
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We stay away from the supermarkets and shop at the smaller shops as there's less people.
To us that means less risk.
Forcing shops to close is forcing unnecessary risk.
That is our opinion. |
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I (Hubby) own a business, half of which is classed as non essential retail. Because I am required to do so, my shop is closed to the public but my business is still operational via phone and online etc. We are also in “communication “ so are allowed to make house calls. Obviously, I will never be a miwionair at this rate, but I am doing as required by law for the greater good to help save lives. HOWEVER what pisses me off is that all non essential retail items can be purchased in supermarkets. So they are not essential in an independent store where numbers of customers can (and we did) be limited to ONE at a time, with every surface, card pad and hand rail sanitized between customers, yet the public can flock to a supermarket for “essentials” in their hundreds, with no policing of masks or social distancing and pick up a tin of beans, a CD, a Xmas jumper with flashy lights and so on. If it is a non essential item, it is a non essential item and should not be available to purchase anywhere.
In my opinion and extensive experience, independent retailers are more covid safe than anywhere, and numbers, distancing and masks can be rigorously policed. So open independent stores and CLOSE SUPERMARKETS. Encourage our great British public to shop local and support your high street.
But to answer the thread, if stores are told to close they should do so, not try to find a way round it like a card shop sticking a 4 pack of beans on the counter and claiming they are selling food!
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"Might get a roasting for this but i have 2.
1. Take aways and fast food of any kind. No need for them. A take away is not essential yet every one is open. Even i wouldnt be happy but its still true
2. Food shops, stores, corner stores. Does every one of these need to be opened? In firat lockdown i avoided big supermarkets due to queueing so these came in handy, but i feel the volume of food shops open is crazy.
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Here's another example of someone just looking at their own situation. If I need milk and bread for example would I be better driving up to Tesco, standing in a queue in the cold with dozens of others, going around the busy supermarket then standing in a queue again with others? Or would it be better for everyone if I take the 5 minute walk along to my small local corner shop? |
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"Might get a roasting for this but i have 2.
1. Take aways and fast food of any kind. No need for them. A take away is not essential yet every one is open. Even i wouldnt be happy but its still true
2. Food shops, stores, corner stores. Does every one of these need to be opened? In firat lockdown i avoided big supermarkets due to queueing so these came in handy, but i feel the volume of food shops open is crazy.
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Your only seeing this from your own perspective.
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By *ikeC81Man
over a year ago
harrow |
I have to post my passport back to passport office as I won’t be able to go on holiday for a bit and my passport runs out in September. If we are allowed to travel in April I can’t go Europe as don’t have 6 months on passport
The problem is Royal Mail is in a shopping centre in whsmiths - which under some people’s is non essential
For me I have used click and collect for one item from Argos which I needed. I could off got it delivered but I was in town for food anyway so picked it up on way back. Waited outside with mask on like a good person then was handed it
Everything else I have ordered online. |
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"Might get a roasting for this but i have 2.
1. Take aways and fast food of any kind. No need for them. A take away is not essential yet every one is open. Even i wouldnt be happy but its still true
2. Food shops, stores, corner stores. Does every one of these need to be opened? In firat lockdown i avoided big supermarkets due to queueing so these came in handy, but i feel the volume of food shops open is crazy.
Here's another example of someone just looking at their own situation. If I need milk and bread for example would I be better driving up to Tesco, standing in a queue in the cold with dozens of others, going around the busy supermarket then standing in a queue again with others? Or would it be better for everyone if I take the 5 minute walk along to my small local corner shop?"
I get your drift...but my experience of little corner shops is being packed inside of a small area with loads of people, and hardly any wearing masks.
As I said that is my experience. |
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"I have to post my passport back to passport office as I won’t be able to go on holiday for a bit and my passport runs out in September. If we are allowed to travel in April I can’t go Europe as don’t have 6 months on passport
The problem is Royal Mail is in a shopping centre in whsmiths - which under some people’s is non essential
For me I have used click and collect for one item from Argos which I needed. I could off got it delivered but I was in town for food anyway so picked it up on way back. Waited outside with mask on like a good person then was handed it
Everything else I have ordered online. "
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"Might get a roasting for this but i have 2.
1. Take aways and fast food of any kind. No need for them. A take away is not essential yet every one is open. Even i wouldnt be happy but its still true
2. Food shops, stores, corner stores. Does every one of these need to be opened? In firat lockdown i avoided big supermarkets due to queueing so these came in handy, but i feel the volume of food shops open is crazy.
Here's another example of someone just looking at their own situation. If I need milk and bread for example would I be better driving up to Tesco, standing in a queue in the cold with dozens of others, going around the busy supermarket then standing in a queue again with others? Or would it be better for everyone if I take the 5 minute walk along to my small local corner shop?
I get your drift...but my experience of little corner shops is being packed inside of a small area with loads of people, and hardly any wearing masks.
As I said that is my experience. "
We have the same experience with large supermarkets.
Bigger space, bigger numbers of people not wearing masks.
Harder task for the staff to sanitise everywhere. |
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By *arriLadMan
over a year ago
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The company I work for has everyone in, No ones happy about it but if you speak up you get reprimanded by management or their higher ups  We're a non essential business but somehow we're allowed to carry on through this shit, Make it make sense |
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"Might get a roasting for this but i have 2.
1. Take aways and fast food of any kind. No need for them. A take away is not essential yet every one is open. Even i wouldnt be happy but its still true
2. Food shops, stores, corner stores. Does every one of these need to be opened? In firat lockdown i avoided big supermarkets due to queueing so these came in handy, but i feel the volume of food shops open is crazy.
Here's another example of someone just looking at their own situation. If I need milk and bread for example would I be better driving up to Tesco, standing in a queue in the cold with dozens of others, going around the busy supermarket then standing in a queue again with others? Or would it be better for everyone if I take the 5 minute walk along to my small local corner shop?
I get your drift...but my experience of little corner shops is being packed inside of a small area with loads of people, and hardly any wearing masks.
As I said that is my experience. "
Wait until folk come out before you go in then..also consider the amount of time you're likely to spend in that shop compared to a supermarket. Alot less isn't it? |
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By *konCouple
over a year ago
cardiff |
"What is unfair is huge multi national supermarket chains staying opening to corner the market on items that niche ships have been forced to stop selling through enforced closure
But there also employ alot of people...every supermarket as a staff of at least 50+ "
I understand your point , but why should supermarkets be allowed to profit over non essential items when niche shops are banned ? |
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"Might get a roasting for this but i have 2.
1. Take aways and fast food of any kind. No need for them. A take away is not essential yet every one is open. Even i wouldnt be happy but its still true
2. Food shops, stores, corner stores. Does every one of these need to be opened? In firat lockdown i avoided big supermarkets due to queueing so these came in handy, but i feel the volume of food shops open is crazy.
Here's another example of someone just looking at their own situation. If I need milk and bread for example would I be better driving up to Tesco, standing in a queue in the cold with dozens of others, going around the busy supermarket then standing in a queue again with others? Or would it be better for everyone if I take the 5 minute walk along to my small local corner shop?
I get your drift...but my experience of little corner shops is being packed inside of a small area with loads of people, and hardly any wearing masks.
As I said that is my experience.
Wait until folk come out before you go in then..also consider the amount of time you're likely to spend in that shop compared to a supermarket. Alot less isn't it?"
The ones I have been to do not have restrictions on the numbers going inside.
So how long would I have to wait outside? |
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"Might get a roasting for this but i have 2.
1. Take aways and fast food of any kind. No need for them. A take away is not essential yet every one is open. Even i wouldnt be happy but its still true
2. Food shops, stores, corner stores. Does every one of these need to be opened? In firat lockdown i avoided big supermarkets due to queueing so these came in handy, but i feel the volume of food shops open is crazy.
Your only seeing this from your own perspective.
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I think everyone misunderstood. In not saying close eveey shop. But for arguments sake. I have 5 within a 5 minute walk of me. All offering the same things. Im simply saying i feel the volume of food shops open is excessive.
I live in a relatively small town. Yet we have an asda, a sainsburys, aldi snd lidl, iceland and icleland warehouse, tesco extra, and farmfoods. All of those as well as all the small shops.
Im all for small shops, i stated that i tended to use these more to avoid supermarkets. But do we really need one open around every corner? |
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By *konCouple
over a year ago
cardiff |
"Can anyone tell me how garden centres are seen as essential, especially at this time of year?
Vape shops? Essential?
Vape shops are classed as non essential and therefore should be closed
We own a vape shop and yes we are non essential.
We are closed but offering home delivery.
The first lock down killed us as a business
We had just started to recover before the second lock down started.
Now this third lock down. Without doing some kind of trade we would close. The company would be in debit. We are doing all we can to make everything as safe as possible for us and our customers. "
That was one of my points . I loath smoking and vaping - no offense - but even I can see that it’s unfair that supermarket multinationals can swell smoking products but you have to close !!! |
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"Might get a roasting for this but i have 2.
1. Take aways and fast food of any kind. No need for them. A take away is not essential yet every one is open. Even i wouldnt be happy but its still true
2. Food shops, stores, corner stores. Does every one of these need to be opened? In firat lockdown i avoided big supermarkets due to queueing so these came in handy, but i feel the volume of food shops open is crazy.
Your only seeing this from your own perspective.
I think everyone misunderstood. In not saying close eveey shop. But for arguments sake. I have 5 within a 5 minute walk of me. All offering the same things. Im simply saying i feel the volume of food shops open is excessive.
I live in a relatively small town. Yet we have an asda, a sainsburys, aldi snd lidl, iceland and icleland warehouse, tesco extra, and farmfoods. All of those as well as all the small shops.
Im all for small shops, i stated that i tended to use these more to avoid supermarkets. But do we really need one open around every corner?"
But how do you decide which ones open and which close? |
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"Too many people just consider what is essential to them and decry anything that doesn't conform with what they believe should or shouldn't be open. For example, have read comments complaining Halfords is open because that's where folk go for a bike or a new radio and who needs that during lockdown. No thought given to the fact they also sell windscreen wipers, bulbs and batteries Mong other things which could be ever difference between a frontline worker getting to their vital job or not."
I need bike parts it's my only transport and as I work supermarket still need to go x |
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By *konCouple
over a year ago
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"The company I work for has everyone in, No ones happy about it but if you speak up you get reprimanded by management or their higher ups We're a non essential business but somehow we're allowed to carry on through this shit, Make it make sense "
It makes sense to them because your expendable . The change from “ personnel department “ to “ Human Resources “ said it all x |
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This should be a non conversation. It shouldn't matter if they open. Why are people shopping in them?
How about personal accountabilities.
Essential. I've literally gone on my own to the supermarket once every couple of weeks for food since the start of lockdown one. People behave like children. Bending rules. Who cares if you can buy a plant or the local skateboard shop now sell takeaway baby food.
STAY AT BLOODY HOME.
If you need to go to work. Go and come home. Why are people swanning around the high street? All very good complaining about buying eggs in B&Q why are you there?
You should go the minimum amount. Not pop the shop every two days for bread and milk because it's "essential"... and you CAN within the rules or any other variation of I NEED this and it's "essential".
We know what's really essential! Food and medical... not much else. Certainly most things you can't get online.
This isn't about dressing up going for a coffee to "support local business"
It's about STAYING AT BLOODY HOME. |
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"The company I work for has everyone in, No ones happy about it but if you speak up you get reprimanded by management or their higher ups We're a non essential business but somehow we're allowed to carry on through this shit, Make it make sense "
This is a widespread problem.
All a business needs is a covid denyer high up and everyone's been hauled into to work. It's happened to a number of my friends. When they have spoken up the faced the same problem.
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"This should be a non conversation. It shouldn't matter if they open. Why are people shopping in them?
How about personal accountabilities.
Essential. I've literally gone on my own to the supermarket once every couple of weeks for food since the start of lockdown one. People behave like children. Bending rules. Who cares if you can buy a plant or the local skateboard shop now sell takeaway baby food.
STAY AT BLOODY HOME.
If you need to go to work. Go and come home. Why are people swanning around the high street? All very good complaining about buying eggs in B&Q why are you there?
You should go the minimum amount. Not pop the shop every two days for bread and milk because it's "essential"... and you CAN within the rules or any other variation of I NEED this and it's "essential".
We know what's really essential! Food and medical... not much else. Certainly most things you can't get online.
This isn't about dressing up going for a coffee to "support local business"
It's about STAYING AT BLOODY HOME. "
Hysterical nonsense. I went shopping today. I went for a snow shovel. I don't know if we are going to get snow or not but the forecasts suggest we may well do. I hope we don't and hope I don't need to use the shovel bit I'd rather have it and not need than need it and not have it. As I'm a very frontline worker it's kind of essential that I can get my car out my driveway and get to work so despite your use of big letters it doesn't negate the fact that there is always something someone needs to buy whether it be a snow shovel, a packet of fuses to keep the lights on or a puzzle book to give them something to do to stop them going totally stir crazy. |
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By *amish SMan
over a year ago
Eastleigh |
Having just seen 2 relatives under 32 suffer the virus, I'm really not sure why some want to go and buy a flower plant at a garden centre.
One of the lads thought he was going to die with the fever he had.
In lockdown 1, I knew one oldy who refused to isolate, he doesn't need to now. Daughter had suspected virus. Lockdown 2, didn't know anyone who had the virus. So far this lockdown, know of 5, one who was admitted to hospital lunchtime.
I really don't get the mentality that some still need to go out for items they know are not essential basics.
This new strain is very scary, spreads quicker, hits harder, and 1 in 3 don't even know they have it. |
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It might be a bit of a First World Problem, but the boatyard where we keep our boat is closed for the duration. People don't mix much there - you go there to work on your boat. Certainly not much sailing gets done with weather like this and there isn't a bar or cafe there, so there isn't much prospect of meeting anyone up close. But it's "non-essential." And it's a pain knowing how much we could be getting fixed and sorted for Spring and can't.
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"Can anyone tell me how garden centres are seen as essential, especially at this time of year?
Vape shops? Essential? "
Garden centre might be helpful for food production if lock down dose carry on through to March 31st Gardening is also good to get people out side and for mental health. But Essential is Tescos selling Tv's Essential. |
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"This should be a non conversation. It shouldn't matter if they open. Why are people shopping in them?
How about personal accountabilities.
Essential. I've literally gone on my own to the supermarket once every couple of weeks for food since the start of lockdown one. People behave like children. Bending rules. Who cares if you can buy a plant or the local skateboard shop now sell takeaway baby food.
STAY AT BLOODY HOME.
If you need to go to work. Go and come home. Why are people swanning around the high street? All very good complaining about buying eggs in B&Q why are you there?
You should go the minimum amount. Not pop the shop every two days for bread and milk because it's "essential"... and you CAN within the rules or any other variation of I NEED this and it's "essential".
We know what's really essential! Food and medical... not much else. Certainly most things you can't get online.
This isn't about dressing up going for a coffee to "support local business"
It's about STAYING AT BLOODY HOME.
Hysterical nonsense. I went shopping today. I went for a snow shovel. I don't know if we are going to get snow or not but the forecasts suggest we may well do. I hope we don't and hope I don't need to use the shovel bit I'd rather have it and not need than need it and not have it. As I'm a very frontline worker it's kind of essential that I can get my car out my driveway and get to work so despite your use of big letters it doesn't negate the fact that there is always something someone needs to buy whether it be a snow shovel, a packet of fuses to keep the lights on or a puzzle book to give them something to do to stop them going totally stir crazy."
I'm not sure you're saying different things. I think you largely agree with eachother about buying what's essential and no more than that with as little contact as possible. |
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"Can anyone tell me how garden centres are seen as essential, especially at this time of year?
Vape shops? Essential?
Garden centre might be helpful for food production if lock down dose carry on through to March 31st Gardening is also good to get people out side and for mental health. But Essential is Tescos selling Tv's Essential."
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"local corner shop much preferred.. don't understand the cult of the supermarket "
I can get into all supermarkets. The corner shops have massive steps and zero access for my wheelchair. No brainer for me. |
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"I have to post my passport back to passport office as I won’t be able to go on holiday for a bit and my passport runs out in September. If we are allowed to travel in April I can’t go Europe as don’t have 6 months on passport
The problem is Royal Mail is in a shopping centre in whsmiths - which under some people’s is non essential
For me I have used click and collect for one item from Argos which I needed. I could off got it delivered but I was in town for food anyway so picked it up on way back. Waited outside with mask on like a good person then was handed it
Everything else I have ordered online.
You can do your passport online too. And it's far cheaper "
You still have to post your old passport back to them. |
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"I have to post my passport back to passport office as I won’t be able to go on holiday for a bit and my passport runs out in September. If we are allowed to travel in April I can’t go Europe as don’t have 6 months on passport
The problem is Royal Mail is in a shopping centre in whsmiths - which under some people’s is non essential
For me I have used click and collect for one item from Argos which I needed. I could off got it delivered but I was in town for food anyway so picked it up on way back. Waited outside with mask on like a good person then was handed it
Everything else I have ordered online.
You can do your passport online too. And it's far cheaper
You still have to post your old passport back to them."
Yep print a label off from the post office...oh hang on someone will say they dont have a printer no doubt... |
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"I have to post my passport back to passport office as I won’t be able to go on holiday for a bit and my passport runs out in September. If we are allowed to travel in April I can’t go Europe as don’t have 6 months on passport
The problem is Royal Mail is in a shopping centre in whsmiths - which under some people’s is non essential
For me I have used click and collect for one item from Argos which I needed. I could off got it delivered but I was in town for food anyway so picked it up on way back. Waited outside with mask on like a good person then was handed it
Everything else I have ordered online.
You can do your passport online too. And it's far cheaper
You still have to post your old passport back to them.
Yep print a label off from the post office...oh hang on someone will say they dont have a printer no doubt..."
Need to do Mine ASAP but it's just a pain at the moment |
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"I have to post my passport back to passport office as I won’t be able to go on holiday for a bit and my passport runs out in September. If we are allowed to travel in April I can’t go Europe as don’t have 6 months on passport
The problem is Royal Mail is in a shopping centre in whsmiths - which under some people’s is non essential
For me I have used click and collect for one item from Argos which I needed. I could off got it delivered but I was in town for food anyway so picked it up on way back. Waited outside with mask on like a good person then was handed it
Everything else I have ordered online.
You can do your passport online too. And it's far cheaper
You still have to post your old passport back to them.
Yep print a label off from the post office...oh hang on someone will say they dont have a printer no doubt..."
You can obviously print things at home but you do still have to go out and post the old passport back. I renewed mine in October... |
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"I have to post my passport back to passport office as I won’t be able to go on holiday for a bit and my passport runs out in September. If we are allowed to travel in April I can’t go Europe as don’t have 6 months on passport
The problem is Royal Mail is in a shopping centre in whsmiths - which under some people’s is non essential
For me I have used click and collect for one item from Argos which I needed. I could off got it delivered but I was in town for food anyway so picked it up on way back. Waited outside with mask on like a good person then was handed it
Everything else I have ordered online.
You can do your passport online too. And it's far cheaper
You still have to post your old passport back to them.
Yep print a label off from the post office...oh hang on someone will say they dont have a printer no doubt...
You can obviously print things at home but you do still have to go out and post the old passport back. I renewed mine in October..."
I was replying to the bit about the post office being in a big shopping centre...hence I offered some advice to avoid going there and saving around 30 quid to him. Its bloody hard work trying to be helpful on here lately. |
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"I have to post my passport back to passport office as I won’t be able to go on holiday for a bit and my passport runs out in September. If we are allowed to travel in April I can’t go Europe as don’t have 6 months on passport
The problem is Royal Mail is in a shopping centre in whsmiths - which under some people’s is non essential
For me I have used click and collect for one item from Argos which I needed. I could off got it delivered but I was in town for food anyway so picked it up on way back. Waited outside with mask on like a good person then was handed it
Everything else I have ordered online.
You can do your passport online too. And it's far cheaper
You still have to post your old passport back to them.
Yep print a label off from the post office...oh hang on someone will say they dont have a printer no doubt...
You can obviously print things at home but you do still have to go out and post the old passport back. I renewed mine in October...
I was replying to the bit about the post office being in a big shopping centre...hence I offered some advice to avoid going there and saving around 30 quid to him. Its bloody hard work trying to be helpful on here lately."
Sorry how do you save 30 missed that bit. |
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"I have to post my passport back to passport office as I won’t be able to go on holiday for a bit and my passport runs out in September. If we are allowed to travel in April I can’t go Europe as don’t have 6 months on passport
The problem is Royal Mail is in a shopping centre in whsmiths - which under some people’s is non essential
For me I have used click and collect for one item from Argos which I needed. I could off got it delivered but I was in town for food anyway so picked it up on way back. Waited outside with mask on like a good person then was handed it
Everything else I have ordered online.
You can do your passport online too. And it's far cheaper
You still have to post your old passport back to them.
Yep print a label off from the post office...oh hang on someone will say they dont have a printer no doubt...
You can obviously print things at home but you do still have to go out and post the old passport back. I renewed mine in October...
I was replying to the bit about the post office being in a big shopping centre...hence I offered some advice to avoid going there and saving around 30 quid to him. Its bloody hard work trying to be helpful on here lately.
Sorry how do you save 30 missed that bit. "
It's cheaper to renew online than using the post office service. |
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"I have to post my passport back to passport office as I won’t be able to go on holiday for a bit and my passport runs out in September. If we are allowed to travel in April I can’t go Europe as don’t have 6 months on passport
The problem is Royal Mail is in a shopping centre in whsmiths - which under some people’s is non essential
For me I have used click and collect for one item from Argos which I needed. I could off got it delivered but I was in town for food anyway so picked it up on way back. Waited outside with mask on like a good person then was handed it
Everything else I have ordered online.
You can do your passport online too. And it's far cheaper
You still have to post your old passport back to them.
Yep print a label off from the post office...oh hang on someone will say they dont have a printer no doubt...
You can obviously print things at home but you do still have to go out and post the old passport back. I renewed mine in October...
I was replying to the bit about the post office being in a big shopping centre...hence I offered some advice to avoid going there and saving around 30 quid to him. Its bloody hard work trying to be helpful on here lately.
Sorry how do you save 30 missed that bit.
It's cheaper to renew online than using the post office service."
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"I have to post my passport back to passport office as I won’t be able to go on holiday for a bit and my passport runs out in September. If we are allowed to travel in April I can’t go Europe as don’t have 6 months on passport
The problem is Royal Mail is in a shopping centre in whsmiths - which under some people’s is non essential
For me I have used click and collect for one item from Argos which I needed. I could off got it delivered but I was in town for food anyway so picked it up on way back. Waited outside with mask on like a good person then was handed it
Everything else I have ordered online.
You can do your passport online too. And it's far cheaper
You still have to post your old passport back to them.
Yep print a label off from the post office...oh hang on someone will say they dont have a printer no doubt...
You can obviously print things at home but you do still have to go out and post the old passport back. I renewed mine in October...
I was replying to the bit about the post office being in a big shopping centre...hence I offered some advice to avoid going there and saving around 30 quid to him. Its bloody hard work trying to be helpful on here lately.
Sorry how do you save 30 missed that bit.
It's cheaper to renew online than using the post office service.
Oh ok I'll look at it don't know if I can do it on my old phone lol "
If you have access to the web you should be able to do it. Link is at the bottom of this page
https://www.gov.uk/renew-adult-passport/renew
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"I have to post my passport back to passport office as I won’t be able to go on holiday for a bit and my passport runs out in September. If we are allowed to travel in April I can’t go Europe as don’t have 6 months on passport
The problem is Royal Mail is in a shopping centre in whsmiths - which under some people’s is non essential
For me I have used click and collect for one item from Argos which I needed. I could off got it delivered but I was in town for food anyway so picked it up on way back. Waited outside with mask on like a good person then was handed it
Everything else I have ordered online.
You can do your passport online too. And it's far cheaper
You still have to post your old passport back to them.
Yep print a label off from the post office...oh hang on someone will say they dont have a printer no doubt...
You can obviously print things at home but you do still have to go out and post the old passport back. I renewed mine in October...
I was replying to the bit about the post office being in a big shopping centre...hence I offered some advice to avoid going there and saving around 30 quid to him. Its bloody hard work trying to be helpful on here lately.
Sorry how do you save 30 missed that bit.
It's cheaper to renew online than using the post office service.
Oh ok I'll look at it don't know if I can do it on my old phone lol
If you have access to the web you should be able to do it. Link is at the bottom of this page
https://www.gov.uk/renew-adult-passport/renew
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Hi Guys
One thing is clear in my role and speaking with my colleagues these last few days is that some businesses this time around which aren't really essential are staying open and making staff go in.
In case you didn't know but last time and likely this time the business grants to help were also given to businesses who managed to stay open in some capacity. So staying open if they can doesn't cost them in lost grants.
I've spoken to a few owners yesterday who very candidly said they are staying open because its basically sink or swim time adding a fuck Boris to the conversation.
The feeling is as long as your not in a high street building in full view like a retail shop then its much easy to stay open.
An example been lockdown 2 TJ Hughes decided to stay open and made staff come in (they are a clothes and home store they don't sell food a bit like a TK Maxx).
It took staff reporting, the local council team issuing a large fine and force closing the store.
This time round things are much much worse with covid yet most of our friends have been told they have to come into work this time.
What has other fabber experiences been this time during lockdown 3.
KJ
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The place I work is a very large company but not essential work. We can not work from home so been told we need to go in. It was a bit surprising as in the first lockdown we were sent home the day after the announcement. This time they just say they are legally allowed to stay open so nothing we can do and seems this wave is worse |
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"Might get a roasting for this but i have 2.
I think everyone misunderstood. In not saying close eveey shop. But for arguments sake. I have 5 within a 5 minute walk of me. All offering the same things. Im simply saying i feel the volume of food shops open is excessive.
I live in a relatively small town. Yet we have an asda, a sainsburys, aldi snd lidl, iceland and icleland warehouse, tesco extra, and farmfoods. All of those as well as all the small shops.
Im all for small shops, i stated that i tended to use these more to avoid supermarkets. But do we really need one open around every corner?"
i guess the question is what's safer? 20 people in each of those five shops or 100 people in one? appreciate the reality is that 96 will go into one and the others will have one each |
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You still have to post your old passport back to them.
Yep print a label off from the post office...oh hang on someone will say they dont have a printer no doubt..."
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Having carried on working and travelled around the country every day since the first lock down I would say that the roads are busier now than they have been all year since Christmas the roads seem to be significantly busier. |
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"Having carried on working and travelled around the country every day since the first lock down I would say that the roads are busier now than they have been all year since Christmas the roads seem to be significantly busier. "
I went out for a mooch today between 13:45 and approx 15:30 and the roads were incredibly busy, considering only the supermarkets and takeaways are open. There's a big roundabout junction which forms the main road into our town from the motorway and that was generally deserted in lockdown 1 but as busy as it's been since September today. |
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"All business should be open.. End of..
People have the capacity to think for themselves, scared, stay at home and worry
Not scared, normality
Simple"
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"Essential/ non essential is too subjective.
Everything is essential to someone  so sad
I was told that buying a fake Christmas tree in the sale was essential today  "
To some people it is essential to keep their basic habits intact to somewhat help their own mental health.
Or maybe that person has children and can't afford to get a Christmas tree full price?
People are too quick to tut tut at others before walking in their shoes |
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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago
Northampton Somewhere |
"Essential/ non essential is too subjective.
Everything is essential to someone so sad
I was told that buying a fake Christmas tree in the sale was essential today
To some people it is essential to keep their basic habits intact to somewhat help their own mental health.
Or maybe that person has children and can't afford to get a Christmas tree full price?
People are too quick to tut tut at others before walking in their shoes "
Leaving your home in the middle of a pandemic to purchase a Christmas tree is not responsible behaviour or essential in my opinion. It puts that person at risk, the staff at risk and other customers. The message is clear Stay At Home.
But each to their own. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
upton wirral |
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Hi Guys
One thing is clear in my role and speaking with my colleagues these last few days is that some businesses this time around which aren't really essential are staying open and making staff go in.
In case you didn't know but last time and likely this time the business grants to help were also given to businesses who managed to stay open in some capacity. So staying open if they can doesn't cost them in lost grants.
I've spoken to a few owners yesterday who very candidly said they are staying open because its basically sink or swim time adding a fuck Boris to the conversation.
The feeling is as long as your not in a high street building in full view like a retail shop then its much easy to stay open.
An example been lockdown 2 TJ Hughes decided to stay open and made staff come in (they are a clothes and home store they don't sell food a bit like a TK Maxx).
It took staff reporting, the local council team issuing a large fine and force closing the store.
This time round things are much much worse with covid yet most of our friends have been told they have to come into work this time.
What has other fabber experiences been this time during lockdown 3.
KJ
This is what happens when a country is run like a company. We care more about wealth than health. The middle class ignores the poor so that the government can abuse us for the so called economy. "
What a load of crap |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Can anyone tell me how garden centres are seen as essential, especially at this time of year?
Vape shops? Essential?
Vape shops are classed as non essential and therefore should be closed
One was certainly open in town yesterday. Hopefully the council have had a walk around and had a word.
Are you sure they are not just doing click and collect, the one in my town looks open but it is only for those that have ordered online."
i think they need to remove click and collect and move to delivery only as options ... all it does is encourage people the leave the house,
stay at home except for work , to collect food or medicine or for caring responsibilities we were told in scotland , somehow picking up the new iphone , or dropping by a cafe for a hot roll , garden centre for some plants just dont meet the sentiment of that rule to me and it just means this will go on longer and get stricter |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"where i live the mcdonalds drive thru are just fricking crazy busy  "
i saw they are stopping people come into the shop for takeaway orders , think a few other should follow suit |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Having carried on working and travelled around the country every day since the first lock down I would say that the roads are busier now than they have been all year since Christmas the roads seem to be significantly busier.
I went out for a mooch today between 13:45 and approx 15:30 and the roads were incredibly busy, considering only the supermarkets and takeaways are open. There's a big roundabout junction which forms the main road into our town from the motorway and that was generally deserted in lockdown 1 but as busy as it's been since September today. "
i know you probably mean went out for your exercise and some air or whatever (im sure from other threads you have been following fhe lockdowns) , but i think “going out for a mooch” is what alot of these people strolling about town like people have said sat on benches with a wee greggs etc think they are doing and the sentiment of stay at home unless you NEED to be out is lost
if we are going to do the lockdown i think they need to restrict outside time again so the streets really are clear , if people are only allowed out of the house for an hour again then they are less likely to be floating about, the streets will actually be quieter again, there wont be as many big groups in parks etc
i hate the lockdowns , but half arsed lockdowns help nobody, if we go half might aswel go full (well as full as practical) and see the results quicker ... ripping off the band aid so to speak |
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"Having carried on working and travelled around the country every day since the first lock down I would say that the roads are busier now than they have been all year since Christmas the roads seem to be significantly busier.
I went out for a mooch today between 13:45 and approx 15:30 and the roads were incredibly busy, considering only the supermarkets and takeaways are open. There's a big roundabout junction which forms the main road into our town from the motorway and that was generally deserted in lockdown 1 but as busy as it's been since September today.
i know you probably mean went out for your exercise and some air or whatever (im sure from other threads you have been following fhe lockdowns) , but i think “going out for a mooch” is what alot of these people strolling about town like people have said sat on benches with a wee greggs etc think they are doing and the sentiment of stay at home unless you NEED to be out is lost
if we are going to do the lockdown i think they need to restrict outside time again so the streets really are clear , if people are only allowed out of the house for an hour again then they are less likely to be floating about, the streets will actually be quieter again, there wont be as many big groups in parks etc
i hate the lockdowns , but half arsed lockdowns help nobody, if we go half might aswel go full (well as full as practical) and see the results quicker ... ripping off the band aid so to speak "
I went out for some exercise (5 miles) in my wheelchair, which took me past the motorway junction. Is that alright, Miss? Apart from dropping my daughter at nursery and picking up, I've been to the bank since December. I can't actually walk. I use the term mooch because there's no such verb as "going for a wheelchair" like there is for "going for a walk". |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"This should be a non conversation. It shouldn't matter if they open. Why are people shopping in them?
How about personal accountabilities.
Essential. I've literally gone on my own to the supermarket once every couple of weeks for food since the start of lockdown one. People behave like children. Bending rules. Who cares if you can buy a plant or the local skateboard shop now sell takeaway baby food.
STAY AT BLOODY HOME.
If you need to go to work. Go and come home. Why are people swanning around the high street? All very good complaining about buying eggs in B&Q why are you there?
You should go the minimum amount. Not pop the shop every two days for bread and milk because it's "essential"... and you CAN within the rules or any other variation of I NEED this and it's "essential".
We know what's really essential! Food and medical... not much else. Certainly most things you can't get online.
This isn't about dressing up going for a coffee to "support local business"
It's about STAYING AT BLOODY HOME.
Hysterical nonsense. I went shopping today. I went for a snow shovel. I don't know if we are going to get snow or not but the forecasts suggest we may well do. I hope we don't and hope I don't need to use the shovel bit I'd rather have it and not need than need it and not have it. As I'm a very frontline worker it's kind of essential that I can get my car out my driveway and get to work so despite your use of big letters it doesn't negate the fact that there is always something someone needs to buy whether it be a snow shovel, a packet of fuses to keep the lights on or a puzzle book to give them something to do to stop them going totally stir crazy."
i think part of the point is you might need the snow shovel for the “possible” snow because you need to get to work in a vehicle, for you that is a realistic essential need, but with half the country asked to stay at home did the other 10 people in store buying the snow shovels really need to be there or for them is it possible snow and even if it does snow they dont need to get out in the car anyway as there are food shops walking distance and the freezer is jam packed after christmas , but i guess there might be an emergency which is a good excuse and it gets us out the house for a bit so awk lets just go to the shops(as a family) for a snow shovel
can justify it vs need to have it seem to have gotten very murky these days, people were at one end of the spectrum last time and despite this wave looking worse the majority are sliding to the other side |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Having carried on working and travelled around the country every day since the first lock down I would say that the roads are busier now than they have been all year since Christmas the roads seem to be significantly busier.
I went out for a mooch today between 13:45 and approx 15:30 and the roads were incredibly busy, considering only the supermarkets and takeaways are open. There's a big roundabout junction which forms the main road into our town from the motorway and that was generally deserted in lockdown 1 but as busy as it's been since September today.
i know you probably mean went out for your exercise and some air or whatever (im sure from other threads you have been following fhe lockdowns) , but i think “going out for a mooch” is what alot of these people strolling about town like people have said sat on benches with a wee greggs etc think they are doing and the sentiment of stay at home unless you NEED to be out is lost
if we are going to do the lockdown i think they need to restrict outside time again so the streets really are clear , if people are only allowed out of the house for an hour again then they are less likely to be floating about, the streets will actually be quieter again, there wont be as many big groups in parks etc
i hate the lockdowns , but half arsed lockdowns help nobody, if we go half might aswel go full (well as full as practical) and see the results quicker ... ripping off the band aid so to speak
I went out for some exercise (5 miles) in my wheelchair, which took me past the motorway junction. Is that alright, Miss? Apart from dropping my daughter at nursery and picking up, I've been to the bank since December. I can't actually walk. I use the term mooch because there's no such verb as "going for a wheelchair" like there is for "going for a walk"."
i did already say i assumed thats what you were doing because all your posts seem to suggest you have been following all along
my post was more about sentiment of folk in general , and how i think they need to out rules in place to leave it less open to people’s interpretations now |
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By *lk GuyMan
over a year ago
sheffield |
This is far from the first lockdown
On the first one Nothing was about the streets was like desert all shops had shut
Now phone shops clothes etc open
More none essential business open
Where not in a lockdown sorry to say |
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