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By *ty31Man
over a year ago
NW London |
"Unions don't want schools open, due to covid fears
Yet open the school doors for children of key workers?
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Who would provide childcare otherwise?
Or should doctors, nurses, delivery drivers, retail staff and builders all just stay home? |
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By *usybee73 OP Man
over a year ago
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"Unions don't want schools open, due to covid fears
Yet open the school doors for children of key workers?
Who would provide childcare otherwise?
Or should doctors, nurses, delivery drivers, retail staff and builders all just stay home?"
So covid doesn't effect keyworkers children? |
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"Unions don't want schools open, due to covid fears
Yet open the school doors for children of key workers?
Who would provide childcare otherwise?
Or should doctors, nurses, delivery drivers, retail staff and builders all just stay home?"
Absolutely, we provide childcare for our daughter who is a nurse. To be honest as much as we love seeing the kids it scares us as we both have health conditions which could affect us. But where else is a nurse who is working 12 he shifts and is out of the house for over 14 hours a day going to get childcare. Apparently there are nearly 500,000 grandparents in total providing childcare for NHS workers |
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"Unions don't want schools open, due to covid fears
Yet open the school doors for children of key workers?
Who would provide childcare otherwise?
Or should doctors, nurses, delivery drivers, retail staff and builders all just stay home?
So covid doesn't effect keyworkers children?"
I think its more about minimising spread. Smaller classes means less risk.
Cant be all black and white.
Im a key worker and so is my ex. Both are fortunate to work from home but need to attend work on occasion for essential work. If needed, its good to know that we have this option available as not all managers or companies are sympathetic to time off for children. |
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By *ty31Man
over a year ago
NW London |
"Unions don't want schools open, due to covid fears
Yet open the school doors for children of key workers?
Who would provide childcare otherwise?
Or should doctors, nurses, delivery drivers, retail staff and builders all just stay home?
So covid doesn't effect keyworkers children?"
Of course, but with an emptier school it is possibly to have much smaller classes and less crowding generally.
It's why I think we need to overhaul the way children are reintroduced to schools as it seems apparent that schools don't have the size to run at full capacity day in day out? |
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"Unions don't want schools open, due to covid fears
Yet open the school doors for children of key workers?
Who would provide childcare otherwise?
Or should doctors, nurses, delivery drivers, retail staff and builders all just stay home?
So covid doesn't effect keyworkers children?
Of course, but with an emptier school it is possibly to have much smaller classes and less crowding generally.
It's why I think we need to overhaul the way children are reintroduced to schools as it seems apparent that schools don't have the size to run at full capacity day in day out?"
We only had 4 kids in out of 25 places, teachers had to keep chasing the vulnerable kids to make sure they were OK |
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I work in a primary school and when all kids are in there are 450 kids plus teaching staff, during 1st lockdown be lucky if 20 kids were in school, so yes it does make a lot of difference and the kids parents had to prove the school they were essential workers. |
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"Unions don't want schools open, due to covid fears
Yet open the school doors for children of key workers?
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If they didn’t how could the key workers work ? It’s not just key worker’s children, it’s vulnerable children too that precious piece of normality, maybe a smile in a sad world for them |
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"Unions don't want schools open, due to covid fears
Yet open the school doors for children of key workers?
What would you rather they do?
Open fully and risk the health of the children, staff and their families? Putting additional pressure on the NHS and having to close bubbles of 30 when there’s one confirmed case. Or open to a small number of children whose parents are critical workers? This allows the parents to work in their critical roles, the children and school staff can distance easier whilst sharing the lessons online with the pupils working at home. Or close schools completely, leaving critical workers with pupils unable to work?
Nothing is ideal at the moment and we need to just make the best of things. It’s the school staff I feel for, being regularly moaned about on social media and accused of not wanting to work whilst working their backsides off to teach and safeguard other people’s children and trying to keep themselves and their own families safe.
Lou x
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over a year ago
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"Unions don't want schools open, due to covid fears
Yet open the school doors for children of key workers?
If they didn’t how could the key workers work ? It’s not just key worker’s children, it’s vulnerable children too that precious piece of normality, maybe a smile in a sad world for them "
what is difficult about this is how do you get a vulnerable child into the school if the parent knows its for key workers or vulnerable only, chances of them wanting to admit to the childs vulnerability must be small  |
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"Unions don't want schools open, due to covid fears
Yet open the school doors for children of key workers?
If they didn’t how could the key workers work ? It’s not just key worker’s children, it’s vulnerable children too that precious piece of normality, maybe a smile in a sad world for them
what is difficult about this is how do you get a vulnerable child into the school if the parent knows its for key workers or vulnerable only, chances of them wanting to admit to the childs vulnerability must be small "
What is classed as vulnerable is a child already with a social worker or an EHCP. Unfortunately it doesn’t pick up those vulnerable children they don’t know about |
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"Unions don't want schools open, due to covid fears
Yet open the school doors for children of key workers?
If they didn’t how could the key workers work ? It’s not just key worker’s children, it’s vulnerable children too that precious piece of normality, maybe a smile in a sad world for them
what is difficult about this is how do you get a vulnerable child into the school if the parent knows its for key workers or vulnerable only, chances of them wanting to admit to the childs vulnerability must be small "
The can't, all the teachers can do is ring everyday to see if they are coming in or not, many refuse the food packages to stop people coming to their homes |
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"Unions don't want schools open, due to covid fears
Yet open the school doors for children of key workers?
Ffs what a stupid statement. Should keyworkers take their kids to work with them?"
I will be doing. I'll be teaching and managing my department from home with a 3yo at home, if nurseries close. Our daughter's nursery did not stay open at all from March to June, so anticipate the same issue if closures are mandated again. We nearly lost the plot last time and we're at a much busier time of the academic year now vs late March.
Oh well. I wonder what lessons my daughter will invade this time and if she will supercede "mummy I need a poo" as an opening line 
She's pretty good in meetings now  |
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"Unions don't want schools open, due to covid fears
Yet open the school doors for children of key workers?
If they didn’t how could the key workers work ? It’s not just key worker’s children, it’s vulnerable children too that precious piece of normality, maybe a smile in a sad world for them
what is difficult about this is how do you get a vulnerable child into the school if the parent knows its for key workers or vulnerable only, chances of them wanting to admit to the childs vulnerability must be small "
Schools will be aware of most of their vulnerable children, in most cases they will offer the places (if they’re available) then it’s the parents choice if they want to send their child in.
Whether a vulnerable child takes the place or not won’t change the fact that the school consider them vulnerable.
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By *usybee73 OP Man
over a year ago
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"Unions don't want schools open, due to covid fears
Yet open the school doors for children of key workers?
Ffs what a stupid statement. Should keyworkers take their kids to work with them?"
Where was taking them to work mentioned in the op? You have 2 children, one a key workers can covid tell the difference? |
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"Unions don't want schools open, due to covid fears
Yet open the school doors for children of key workers?
Who would provide childcare otherwise?
Or should doctors, nurses, delivery drivers, retail staff and builders all just stay home?
So covid doesn't effect keyworkers children?"
Approx 10% of children attended last time my school this time has 25% so that’s a few hundred less kids in the same space. Far far safer |
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"Unions don't want schools open, due to covid fears
Yet open the school doors for children of key workers?
Ffs what a stupid statement. Should keyworkers take their kids to work with them?
Where was taking them to work mentioned in the op? You have 2 children, one a key workers can covid tell the difference?"
for the last 9 months ive watched people make daft statements about does the virus know which is the key workweek child, does the virus know you have a meal in the pub, does the virus know its after 10pm etc etc etc
are people being purposefully obtuse or does nobody understand the laws of probability and that measures are designed to reduce them |
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By *usybee73 OP Man
over a year ago
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"Unions don't want schools open, due to covid fears
Yet open the school doors for children of key workers?
Ffs what a stupid statement. Should keyworkers take their kids to work with them?
Where was taking them to work mentioned in the op? You have 2 children, one a key workers can covid tell the difference?
for the last 9 months ive watched people make daft statements about does the virus know which is the key workweek child, does the virus know you have a meal in the pub, does the virus know its after 10pm etc etc etc
are people being purposefully obtuse or does nobody understand the laws of probability and that measures are designed to reduce them "
Can understand your post, hence why evidence is needed, from what I have seen ... not much being shown for the rules |
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"Unions don't want schools open, due to covid fears
Yet open the school doors for children of key workers?
Ffs what a stupid statement. Should keyworkers take their kids to work with them?
Where was taking them to work mentioned in the op? You have 2 children, one a key workers can covid tell the difference?
for the last 9 months ive watched people make daft statements about does the virus know which is the key workweek child, does the virus know you have a meal in the pub, does the virus know its after 10pm etc etc etc
are people being purposefully obtuse or does nobody understand the laws of probability and that measures are designed to reduce them
Can understand your post, hence why evidence is needed, from what I have seen ... not much being shown for the rules "
when you want to make a cup of tea do you dig out a science manual and read up on the details how a kettle works and why steam is emitted when the water boils or do you accept somene more qualified did that part and designed this piece of equipment trust common sense telling you electricity is turned into heat which heats the water and the steam comes out ?
if there are 4 (key work) kids in class instead of 30 there will be less number of close contact interactions , therefore number of chances for virus to spread are reduced , the ideal number would be zero but we can’t get there without impacting our key services so the low number is the preferable option
if i go to the gym and the supermarket my interactions with people/ equipment even doors and touch points etc is doubled, ideal scenario we would close it all but we can’t let people starve so the preferred solution is to shut the gyms and cut the interactions by half
take next scenario and repeat etc etc
what more evidence than common sense do you really need? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Unions don't want schools open, due to covid fears
Yet open the school doors for children of key workers?
If they didn’t how could the key workers work ? It’s not just key worker’s children, it’s vulnerable children too that precious piece of normality, maybe a smile in a sad world for them
what is difficult about this is how do you get a vulnerable child into the school if the parent knows its for key workers or vulnerable only, chances of them wanting to admit to the childs vulnerability must be small "
Poor use of terminology by the government, it’s children with EHCP’s or those the school have identified as having special needs |
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By *usybee73 OP Man
over a year ago
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"Unions don't want schools open, due to covid fears
Yet open the school doors for children of key workers?
Ffs what a stupid statement. Should keyworkers take their kids to work with them?
Where was taking them to work mentioned in the op? You have 2 children, one a key workers can covid tell the difference?
for the last 9 months ive watched people make daft statements about does the virus know which is the key workweek child, does the virus know you have a meal in the pub, does the virus know its after 10pm etc etc etc
are people being purposefully obtuse or does nobody understand the laws of probability and that measures are designed to reduce them
Can understand your post, hence why evidence is needed, from what I have seen ... not much being shown for the rules
when you want to make a cup of tea do you dig out a science manual and read up on the details how a kettle works and why steam is emitted when the water boils or do you accept somene more qualified did that part and designed this piece of equipment trust common sense telling you electricity is turned into heat which heats the water and the steam comes out ?
if there are 4 (key work) kids in class instead of 30 there will be less number of close contact interactions , therefore number of chances for virus to spread are reduced , the ideal number would be zero but we can’t get there without impacting our key services so the low number is the preferable option
if i go to the gym and the supermarket my interactions with people/ equipment even doors and touch points etc is doubled, ideal scenario we would close it all but we can’t let people starve so the preferred solution is to shut the gyms and cut the interactions by half
take next scenario and repeat etc etc
what more evidence than common sense do you really need? "
But it doesn't work, my evidence is this is the 3rd lockdown... and end up in a worse scenario, plus add on the economic impact 
I dare say your going to blame everyone and everything else? But instead look at actual evidence.... who is effected, age, weight, underlying conditions etc |
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"Unions don't want schools open, due to covid fears
Yet open the school doors for children of key workers?
Ffs what a stupid statement. Should keyworkers take their kids to work with them?
Where was taking them to work mentioned in the op? You have 2 children, one a key workers can covid tell the difference?
for the last 9 months ive watched people make daft statements about does the virus know which is the key workweek child, does the virus know you have a meal in the pub, does the virus know its after 10pm etc etc etc
are people being purposefully obtuse or does nobody understand the laws of probability and that measures are designed to reduce them
Can understand your post, hence why evidence is needed, from what I have seen ... not much being shown for the rules
when you want to make a cup of tea do you dig out a science manual and read up on the details how a kettle works and why steam is emitted when the water boils or do you accept somene more qualified did that part and designed this piece of equipment trust common sense telling you electricity is turned into heat which heats the water and the steam comes out ?
if there are 4 (key work) kids in class instead of 30 there will be less number of close contact interactions , therefore number of chances for virus to spread are reduced , the ideal number would be zero but we can’t get there without impacting our key services so the low number is the preferable option
if i go to the gym and the supermarket my interactions with people/ equipment even doors and touch points etc is doubled, ideal scenario we would close it all but we can’t let people starve so the preferred solution is to shut the gyms and cut the interactions by half
take next scenario and repeat etc etc
what more evidence than common sense do you really need?
But it doesn't work, my evidence is this is the 3rd lockdown... and end up in a worse scenario, plus add on the economic impact
I dare say your going to blame everyone and everything else? But instead look at actual evidence.... who is effected, age, weight, underlying conditions etc"
what you just said isn’t evidence, its regurgitated random sound bites mushed together that make no coherent point i am afraid |
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By *usybee73 OP Man
over a year ago
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"Unions don't want schools open, due to covid fears
Yet open the school doors for children of key workers?
Ffs what a stupid statement. Should keyworkers take their kids to work with them?
Where was taking them to work mentioned in the op? You have 2 children, one a key workers can covid tell the difference?
for the last 9 months ive watched people make daft statements about does the virus know which is the key workweek child, does the virus know you have a meal in the pub, does the virus know its after 10pm etc etc etc
are people being purposefully obtuse or does nobody understand the laws of probability and that measures are designed to reduce them
Can understand your post, hence why evidence is needed, from what I have seen ... not much being shown for the rules
when you want to make a cup of tea do you dig out a science manual and read up on the details how a kettle works and why steam is emitted when the water boils or do you accept somene more qualified did that part and designed this piece of equipment trust common sense telling you electricity is turned into heat which heats the water and the steam comes out ?
if there are 4 (key work) kids in class instead of 30 there will be less number of close contact interactions , therefore number of chances for virus to spread are reduced , the ideal number would be zero but we can’t get there without impacting our key services so the low number is the preferable option
if i go to the gym and the supermarket my interactions with people/ equipment even doors and touch points etc is doubled, ideal scenario we would close it all but we can’t let people starve so the preferred solution is to shut the gyms and cut the interactions by half
take next scenario and repeat etc etc
what more evidence than common sense do you really need?
But it doesn't work, my evidence is this is the 3rd lockdown... and end up in a worse scenario, plus add on the economic impact
I dare say your going to blame everyone and everything else? But instead look at actual evidence.... who is effected, age, weight, underlying conditions etc
what you just said isn’t evidence, its regurgitated random sound bites mushed together that make no coherent point i am afraid "
But it is evidence, if it had worked.... then wouldn't of been in this mess, not once or twice. Now it will be 3. Odds on another lockdown in summer ... becoming higher |
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"Unions don't want schools open, due to covid fears
Yet open the school doors for children of key workers?
If they didn’t how could the key workers work ? It’s not just key worker’s children, it’s vulnerable children too that precious piece of normality, maybe a smile in a sad world for them
what is difficult about this is how do you get a vulnerable child into the school if the parent knows its for key workers or vulnerable only, chances of them wanting to admit to the childs vulnerability must be small
Poor use of terminology by the government, it’s children with EHCP’s or those the school have identified as having special needs "
It also includes those who have social services involvement in the vulnerable children category. |
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"Unions don't want schools open, due to covid fears
Yet open the school doors for children of key workers?
If they didn’t how could the key workers work ? It’s not just key worker’s children, it’s vulnerable children too that precious piece of normality, maybe a smile in a sad world for them
what is difficult about this is how do you get a vulnerable child into the school if the parent knows its for key workers or vulnerable only, chances of them wanting to admit to the childs vulnerability must be small
Poor use of terminology by the government, it’s children with EHCP’s or those the school have identified as having special needs
It also includes those who have social services involvement in the vulnerable children category."
Or those who the school think won’t manage well at home, head teachers can use their discretion, if they have space and staff to safely deliver the lessons in school. |
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"Unions don't want schools open, due to covid fears
Yet open the school doors for children of key workers?
Ffs what a stupid statement. Should keyworkers take their kids to work with them?
Where was taking them to work mentioned in the op? You have 2 children, one a key workers can covid tell the difference?"
Classic . Somethings people say on here make you wonder what medication they're on |
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"Unions don't want schools open, due to covid fears
Yet open the school doors for children of key workers?
Who would provide childcare otherwise?
Or should doctors, nurses, delivery drivers, retail staff and builders all just stay home?
So covid doesn't effect keyworkers children?
Of course, but with an emptier school it is possibly to have much smaller classes and less crowding generally.
It's why I think we need to overhaul the way children are reintroduced to schools as it seems apparent that schools don't have the size to run at full capacity day in day out?
We only had 4 kids in out of 25 places, teachers had to keep chasing the vulnerable kids to make sure they were OK "
I have to say this is the biggest worry where I work. Only four out of 47 of our vulnerable children where sent to school last time.
19 of those the school where unable to contact during this time.
We also only had 17 keyworker children out of a possible 107.
Many people were choosing to leave their children with the grandparents rather than bring them into school because they thought they were safer at home. |
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"Unions don't want schools open, due to covid fears
Yet open the school doors for children of key workers?
If they didn’t how could the key workers work ? It’s not just key worker’s children, it’s vulnerable children too that precious piece of normality, maybe a smile in a sad world for them
what is difficult about this is how do you get a vulnerable child into the school if the parent knows its for key workers or vulnerable only, chances of them wanting to admit to the childs vulnerability must be small
Poor use of terminology by the government, it’s children with EHCP’s or those the school have identified as having special needs
It also includes those who have social services involvement in the vulnerable children category."
This is what I was going to say it isn't up to the parent to decide if the child is vulnerable. These children will well none to the school and probably to other services and easily identified. |
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"Unions don't want schools open, due to covid fears
Yet open the school doors for children of key workers?
Ffs what a stupid statement. Should keyworkers take their kids to work with them?
Where was taking them to work mentioned in the op? You have 2 children, one a key workers can covid tell the difference?
for the last 9 months ive watched people make daft statements about does the virus know which is the key workweek child, does the virus know you have a meal in the pub, does the virus know its after 10pm etc etc etc
are people being purposefully obtuse or does nobody understand the laws of probability and that measures are designed to reduce them
Can understand your post, hence why evidence is needed, from what I have seen ... not much being shown for the rules
when you want to make a cup of tea do you dig out a science manual and read up on the details how a kettle works and why steam is emitted when the water boils or do you accept somene more qualified did that part and designed this piece of equipment trust common sense telling you electricity is turned into heat which heats the water and the steam comes out ?
if there are 4 (key work) kids in class instead of 30 there will be less number of close contact interactions , therefore number of chances for virus to spread are reduced , the ideal number would be zero but we can’t get there without impacting our key services so the low number is the preferable option
if i go to the gym and the supermarket my interactions with people/ equipment even doors and touch points etc is doubled, ideal scenario we would close it all but we can’t let people starve so the preferred solution is to shut the gyms and cut the interactions by half
take next scenario and repeat etc etc
what more evidence than common sense do you really need?
But it doesn't work, my evidence is this is the 3rd lockdown... and end up in a worse scenario, plus add on the economic impact
I dare say your going to blame everyone and everything else? But instead look at actual evidence.... who is effected, age, weight, underlying conditions etc"
You are aware that about 45% of the population are either over 70, Overweight or have an underline health condition right? |
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Look in the TES today if anyone is under any illusion that teachers are in similar positions to other key workers ....... snapshot
Teachers contracting Covid at 333% higher rate than community average
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"Unions don't want schools open, due to covid fears
Yet open the school doors for children of key workers?
If they didn’t how could the key workers work ? It’s not just key worker’s children, it’s vulnerable children too that precious piece of normality, maybe a smile in a sad world for them
what is difficult about this is how do you get a vulnerable child into the school if the parent knows its for key workers or vulnerable only, chances of them wanting to admit to the childs vulnerability must be small
Poor use of terminology by the government, it’s children with EHCP’s or those the school have identified as having special needs
It also includes those who have social services involvement in the vulnerable children category."
Yes but I don’t regard my special needs child as being ‘vulnerable’ so it’s not all the same thing |
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"Unions don't want schools open, due to covid fears
Yet open the school doors for children of key workers?
If they didn’t how could the key workers work ? It’s not just key worker’s children, it’s vulnerable children too that precious piece of normality, maybe a smile in a sad world for them
what is difficult about this is how do you get a vulnerable child into the school if the parent knows its for key workers or vulnerable only, chances of them wanting to admit to the childs vulnerability must be small
Poor use of terminology by the government, it’s children with EHCP’s or those the school have identified as having special needs
It also includes those who have social services involvement in the vulnerable children category.
Yes but I don’t regard my special needs child as being ‘vulnerable’ so it’s not all the same thing"
i can understand your point completely but i guess they still need to keep that space open for you should you want it
my worry was how difficult is the conversation with parents of kids who are vulnerable to try encourage them into school, presumably they are already involved with social work because there are already issues, often some form of neglect so even if the parent doesn’t decide their kid goes on the list , chances of them complying with sending them must be (and sounds like from some posts above) to have low uptake, the situations where head teacher has offered the place without social work involvement must be even harder again , not that there is any better solution than just keeping the place there for them if they need it, my heart goes out to these wee kids |
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"Unions don't want schools open, due to covid fears
Yet open the school doors for children of key workers?
If they didn’t how could the key workers work ? It’s not just key worker’s children, it’s vulnerable children too that precious piece of normality, maybe a smile in a sad world for them
what is difficult about this is how do you get a vulnerable child into the school if the parent knows its for key workers or vulnerable only, chances of them wanting to admit to the childs vulnerability must be small
Poor use of terminology by the government, it’s children with EHCP’s or those the school have identified as having special needs
It also includes those who have social services involvement in the vulnerable children category.
Yes but I don’t regard my special needs child as being ‘vulnerable’ so it’s not all the same thing"
No it's not the same but there is provision for SEND children.
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