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"A week after the second vaccine you should have 97% immunity. Does this mean vulnerable people could stop shielding and start going shopping and seeing their family ?"
This is a very good question. I would say yes, with normal covid precautions. But i have never seen any official government advice on this. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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No ...it means they have protection .. and sensible measures need to be adhered to til majority have herd immunity.
I will be protected by end of jan.. but still wont be meeting or mixing with folk |
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As long as they keep to hands face space, then yes. They can still catch it but hopefully not develop serious symptoms
The immune compromised are still being advised not to have them though due to the risk of an over reaction and that's a large quantity of people |
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From the British heart foundation....
Will I be able to pass on the virus to others if I’ve had the vaccine?
We don't yet know for sure, but it seems that it may be possible for you to pass the virus on even if you've been vaccinated. The vaccines work by causing your body to create a rapid immune response to the virus so it doesn't make you ill, but don't stop the virus from entering your body in the first place. So even if you've been vaccinated, it's really important to follow guidelines around social distancing, hand washing and other guidance to stop the spread of coronavirus. You'll still need to self-isolate if you have symptoms or have been in contact with someone who has. |
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By *litterbabeWoman
over a year ago
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As far as I'm aware the vaccination at the moment is just to provide peace of mind that if they did get infected they would have lesssened symptoms and are unlikely to need hospital admission.
I haven't heard or read anywhere that they can adjust their behavior at all all because of the immunity.
I would love to be wrong though. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I think its important to know that you can still catch and (presumably) transmit the virus after having the vaccine. Its purpose is to stop you getting ill if you catch it. |
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Obviously anyone who has had the 2 shots needs to still follow normal covid practices. The question is can people who were previously shielding now follow normal covid rules after the 2nd shot. Genuine question as my elderly in laws get their 2nd shots this week. They have been given no advice so far. |
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By *reyyaMan
over a year ago
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"From the British heart foundation....
Will I be able to pass on the virus to others if I’ve had the vaccine?
We don't yet know for sure, but it seems that it may be possible for you to pass the virus on even if you've been vaccinated. The vaccines work by causing your body to create a rapid immune response to the virus so it doesn't make you ill, but don't stop the virus from entering your body in the first place. So even if you've been vaccinated, it's really important to follow guidelines around social distancing, hand washing and other guidance to stop the spread of coronavirus. You'll still need to self-isolate if you have symptoms or have been in contact with someone who has."
Am I reading this right. Have vaccine one, vaccine two, be tested, test shows have not contracted virus, tested to ascertain not carrying the virus without knowing and found to be not carrying virus without knowing. But still at risk. Forever?
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By *litterbabeWoman
over a year ago
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"From the British heart foundation....
Will I be able to pass on the virus to others if I’ve had the vaccine?
We don't yet know for sure, but it seems that it may be possible for you to pass the virus on even if you've been vaccinated. The vaccines work by causing your body to create a rapid immune response to the virus so it doesn't make you ill, but don't stop the virus from entering your body in the first place. So even if you've been vaccinated, it's really important to follow guidelines around social distancing, hand washing and other guidance to stop the spread of coronavirus. You'll still need to self-isolate if you have symptoms or have been in contact with someone who has.
Am I reading this right. Have vaccine one, vaccine two, be tested, test shows have not contracted virus, tested to ascertain not carrying the virus without knowing and found to be not carrying virus without knowing. But still at risk. Forever?
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Hopefully there will come a time where they won't be counted still at risk in the future, but apart from that I think you are correct.
Until the virus is eradicated, or there is some kind of herd immunity alongside less frequent mutations.
Or at least that is how it is seems to me. |
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"From the British heart foundation....
Will I be able to pass on the virus to others if I’ve had the vaccine?
We don't yet know for sure, but it seems that it may be possible for you to pass the virus on even if you've been vaccinated. The vaccines work by causing your body to create a rapid immune response to the virus so it doesn't make you ill, but don't stop the virus from entering your body in the first place. So even if you've been vaccinated, it's really important to follow guidelines around social distancing, hand washing and other guidance to stop the spread of coronavirus. You'll still need to self-isolate if you have symptoms or have been in contact with someone who has.
Am I reading this right. Have vaccine one, vaccine two, be tested, test shows have not contracted virus, tested to ascertain not carrying the virus without knowing and found to be not carrying virus without knowing. But still at risk. Forever?
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At the moment yes as they really aren’t sure what protection the vaccine gives, how long for. They have lots of questions to still answer, but unfortunately most of them won’t be known for sometime after further research, ie I imagine in the future if you test positive for the virus they will ask you if you have had the vaccine. That will get added to the stats and the scientists / analysts build a picture from there |
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The vaccines are part of the solution for us. When we individually get them, we should by probability get some immunity. That may prevent some transmissions that we pick up taking hold and the research evidence seems to be that severe illness and deaths are prevented. Not everyone who gets the vaccine may get such protection levels.
When sufficiently high levels of the population have been vaccinated, possibly also as
a dwindling group of others who'd had infection and may have some residual immunity, we may achieve herd immunity. That may require a very high volume of us to have been vaccinated and to have a sustained immunity, possibly toaeds 80% of the population - though modelling shows some variability on the percentages needed. The duration of vaccines immunity is also uncertain, so this still has to be ascertained.
Until we have very low infection levels and herd immunity, people who have been vaccinated should retain the same approaches as they do now.
Any one of them may also be unfortunate and to not have developed a sufficiently robust level of immunity. People are not being tested for their levels of immunity, so nobody will know.
There's a long way to go yet. |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
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"The vaccines are part of the solution for us. When we individually get them, we should by probability get some immunity. That may prevent some transmissions that we pick up taking hold and the research evidence seems to be that severe illness and deaths are prevented. Not everyone who gets the vaccine may get such protection levels.
When sufficiently high levels of the population have been vaccinated, possibly also as
a dwindling group of others who'd had infection and may have some residual immunity, we may achieve herd immunity. That may require a very high volume of us to have been vaccinated and to have a sustained immunity, possibly toaeds 80% of the population - though modelling shows some variability on the percentages needed. The duration of vaccines immunity is also uncertain, so this still has to be ascertained.
Until we have very low infection levels and herd immunity, people who have been vaccinated should retain the same approaches as they do now.
Any one of them may also be unfortunate and to not have developed a sufficiently robust level of immunity. People are not being tested for their levels of immunity, so nobody will know.
There's a long way to go yet. "
My understanding is the vaccine is akin to masks, its a collective requirement. It's not safe until we're all safe. |
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Thats if you get the second one
The makers of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine have issued a warning about “alternative dosing” after the UK’s chief medical officers approved a change in guidance.
Now, instead of providing the second – booster – dose of the vaccine three weeks after the first injection, the jabs may be delivered up to 12 weeks later (nearly three months).
A spokesperson said: “There are no data to demonstrate that protection after the first dose is sustained after 21 days.”
The diffference has sparked something of a war of words between the chemists and Chris Whitty. His organisation said:
In terms of protecting priority groups, a model where we can vaccinate twice the number of people in the next 2-3 months is obviously much more preferable in public health terms than one where we vaccinate half the number but with only slightly greater protection.
But that’s not what Pfizer is saying.
The claim is that providing the booster jab so late means there will be no protection from Covid-19 at all. |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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"A week after the second vaccine you should have 97% immunity. Does this mean vulnerable people could stop shielding and start going shopping and seeing their family ?"
Seek your Doctors advice. |
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"From the British heart foundation....
Will I be able to pass on the virus to others if I’ve had the vaccine?
We don't yet know for sure, but it seems that it may be possible for you to pass the virus on even if you've been vaccinated. The vaccines work by causing your body to create a rapid immune response to the virus so it doesn't make you ill, but don't stop the virus from entering your body in the first place. So even if you've been vaccinated, it's really important to follow guidelines around social distancing, hand washing and other guidance to stop the spread of coronavirus. You'll still need to self-isolate if you have symptoms or have been in contact with someone who has.
Am I reading this right. Have vaccine one, vaccine two, be tested, test shows have not contracted virus, tested to ascertain not carrying the virus without knowing and found to be not carrying virus without knowing. But still at risk. Forever?
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It's like strep or MRSA - you can carry a virus without it infecting you and that is what they are concerned about after vaccination. |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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The claim is that providing the booster jab so late means there will be no protection from Covid-19 at all."
Not what I have read - With one jab you are covered - with two jabs you are boosted. |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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For example - the Doctor has told an 80-year-old I know that the second jab would be much later than originally planned.
But, with your first jab you are 85% covered and with your second 90% covered. |
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"No ...it means they have protection .. and sensible measures need to be adhered to til majority have herd immunity.
I will be protected by end of jan.. but still wont be meeting or mixing with folk"
Exactly this ^ |
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"For example - the Doctor has told an 80-year-old I know that the second jab would be much later than originally planned.
But, with your first jab you are 85% covered and with your second 90% covered."
The numbers are wrong only the second one is closer to being right
Even then its wrong as your immune system has to create the antibodys first and that can take a while depending on your own bodies natural defences |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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"For example - the Doctor has told an 80-year-old I know that the second jab would be much later than originally planned.
But, with your first jab you are 85% covered and with your second 90% covered.
The numbers are wrong only the second one is closer to being right
Even then its wrong as your immune system has to create the antibodys first and that can take a while depending on your own bodies natural defences"
I think I will go with the Doctors advice.  |
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"For example - the Doctor has told an 80-year-old I know that the second jab would be much later than originally planned.
But, with your first jab you are 85% covered and with your second 90% covered.
The numbers are wrong only the second one is closer to being right
Even then its wrong as your immune system has to create the antibodys first and that can take a while depending on your own bodies natural defences
I think I will go with the Doctors advice. "
Definitely right. We can bring our expertise and interpretations here but the GPs advice is where it starts and ends. |
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body above your doctor
bmj
he Pfizer and BioNTech covid-19 vaccine may provide some early protection, starting 12 days after the first dose, the peer reviewed results of a phase III trial have found.
The study, published in the New England Journal of Medicine,1 found that vaccine efficacy between the first and second doses was 52% (95% credible interval 29.5% to 68.4%), with 39 cases of covid-19 in the vaccine group and 82 cases in the placebo group.
Seven or more days after the second dose, vaccine efficacy then rose to 95% (90.3% to 97.6%), with eight covid-19 cases reported in the vaccine group and 162 cases in the placebo group. |
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By *ediraMan
over a year ago
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"Maybe this isn't the right platform to be asking a question like that.
Why ? It is the virus forum. "
Maybe something to do with the fact the OP is asking for scientific medical advise to non medical experts who are giving lots of very different answers.
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"A week after the second vaccine you should have 97% immunity. Does this mean vulnerable people could stop shielding and start going shopping and seeing their family ?"
Yes but still following social distancing, mask wearing, normal precautions though. I would assume. |
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