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By *hickennchipsWoman
over a year ago
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"I was wondering what the vaccine is made up of.
If reports are true then one has cells from aborted foetus in it.
Wonder what the others have in them. "
I’ve read this too tonight, not sure of the truth of it?? |
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Sorry, I keep mucking up 
"I was wondering what the vaccine is made up of.
If reports are true then one has cells from aborted foetus in it.
Wonder what the others have in them.
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I don't believe any have foetus cells 'in' them, but some vaccines (unfair about the Covid ones) have been grown in cells that originate from those extracted from terminated foetus from the 60s.
The cells we use now are many generations on from the original.
There is more info about that here: https://www.verywellhealth.com/do-vaccines-contain-aborted-fetal-tissue-260337 (hopefully admin will be OK with that link) |
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By *hickennchipsWoman
over a year ago
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"This thread shows the danger of unfiltered garbage that others post, for very dubious reasons, elsewhere on the internet. "
Well no, not really. It seems there is some truth in it so people are allowed to question  |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
Derry |
"This thread shows the danger of unfiltered garbage that others post, for very dubious reasons, elsewhere on the internet.
Well no, not really. It seems there is some truth in it so people are allowed to question "
What in particular are you questioning? |
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By *hickennchipsWoman
over a year ago
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"This thread shows the danger of unfiltered garbage that others post, for very dubious reasons, elsewhere on the internet.
Well no, not really. It seems there is some truth in it so people are allowed to question
What in particular are you questioning?"
Nothing? It’s not my thread |
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"I was wondering what the vaccine is made up of.
If reports are true then one has cells from aborted foetus in it.
Wonder what the others have in them. "
Full ingredients available if you google. Neither of the 2 so far licensed vaccines for covid have any cells connected to the foetal cells extracted in the 60s. |
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Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine contents:
ALC-0315 = (4-hydroxybutyl) azanediyl)bis (hexane-6,1-diyl)bis(2-hexyldecanoate) (THIS IS A TYPE OF FAT THAT MAKES UP THE LIPID BUBBLE THAT ENCASES THE VACCINE MATERIAL)
ALC-0159 = 2-[(polyethylene glycol)-2000]-N,N-ditetradecylacetamide
(THIS IS A TYPE OF FAT FOR THE BUBBLE TOO)
1,2-Distearoyl-sn-glycero-3-phosphocholine (THIS IS A TYPE OF FAT FOR THE BUBBLE AS WELL)
cholesterol (THIS IS ALSO A TYPE OF FAT - THE SAME CHOLESTEROL FOUND IN YOUR CELLS
potassium chloride (A SALT SIMILAR TO SODIUM CHLORIDE (ALSO INCLUDED))
potassium dihydrogen phosphate (THIS IS A CHEMICAL CALLED A BUFFER WHICH HELPS MAINTAIN A STEADY pH FOR THE VACCINE CONTENTS)
sodium chloride (SALT, LIKE YOU PUT ON YOUR CHIPS)
disodium hydrogen phosphate dihydrate (MORE pH BUFFERING)
sucrose (SUGAR, THE SORT YOU PUT ON YOUR CORNFLAKES)
water for injections (DEIONISED, BUT OTHERWISE EXACTLY THE SAME AS WHAT'S IN THE TAPS)
mRNA encoding the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein
The AZ-Oxford vaccine contains:
Weakened adenovirus encoding the SARS CoV 2 Spike glycoprotein (THE ADENOVIRUS USUALLY INFECTS CHIMPS BUT CANNOT REPLICATE IN HUMAN CELLS. THE GENE FOR THE SPIKE PROTEIN HAS BEEN INSERTED INTO THIS VIRUS VEHICLE)
L-histidine (AN AMINO ACID - MAKES UP PROTEINS IN OUR BODIES)
L-histidine hydrochloride monohydrate (A FURTHER SOURCE OF THE AMINO ACID HISTIDINE, USED IN FLAVOURING FOOD TOO)
magnesium chloride hexahydrate (A SALT OF MAGNESIUM WITH 6 WATER MOLECULES ATTACHED, HENCE THE HEXAHYDRATE. MAGNESIUM CHLORIDE IS THE SOURCE OF MAGNESIUM IN SUPPLEMENTS)
polysorbate 80 (AN EMULSIFIER/SURFACTANT USED IN THE MANUFACTURE OF FOODS SUCH AS ICE CREAM AND IN MAKE UP TOO)
ethanol (ALCOHOL, TO DISSOLVE THE POLYSORBATE 80)
sucrose (THE SAME SUGAR AS ABOVE)
sodium chloride (THE SAME SALT AS ABOVE)
disodium edetate dihydrate (ANOTHER TYPE OF pH BUFFER)
water for injections (SELF EXPLANATORY)
The chimp adenovirus in the AZ-Oxford vaccine are grown in human embryonic kidney cells. The cells used to grow the Oxford virus are derived from a female embryo in the 1970s - obviously the original cells are no more, but have been replicated many, many times. No cellular material remains when the virus is included in the vaccine - the virus sample is washed with special chemicals many times to remove any trace.
All this information is freely available online, I have added simplified explanation in uppercase. |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
Derry |
"This thread shows the danger of unfiltered garbage that others post, for very dubious reasons, elsewhere on the internet.
Well no, not really. It seems there is some truth in it so people are allowed to question
What in particular are you questioning?
Nothing? It’s not my thread "
So you don't dispute the origins of the virus, the need for lockdowns, social distancing or masks?
Any reservations about the vaccine? |
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By *hickennchipsWoman
over a year ago
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"Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine contents:
ALC-0315 = (4-hydroxybutyl) azanediyl)bis (hexane-6,1-diyl)bis(2-hexyldecanoate) (THIS IS A TYPE OF FAT THAT MAKES UP THE LIPID BUBBLE THAT ENCASES THE VACCINE MATERIAL)
ALC-0159 = 2-[(polyethylene glycol)-2000]-N,N-ditetradecylacetamide
(THIS IS A TYPE OF FAT FOR THE BUBBLE TOO)
1,2-Distearoyl-sn-glycero-3-phosphocholine (THIS IS A TYPE OF FAT FOR THE BUBBLE AS WELL)
cholesterol (THIS IS ALSO A TYPE OF FAT - THE SAME CHOLESTEROL FOUND IN YOUR CELLS
potassium chloride (A SALT SIMILAR TO SODIUM CHLORIDE (ALSO INCLUDED))
potassium dihydrogen phosphate (THIS IS A CHEMICAL CALLED A BUFFER WHICH HELPS MAINTAIN A STEADY pH FOR THE VACCINE CONTENTS)
sodium chloride (SALT, LIKE YOU PUT ON YOUR CHIPS)
disodium hydrogen phosphate dihydrate (MORE pH BUFFERING)
sucrose (SUGAR, THE SORT YOU PUT ON YOUR CORNFLAKES)
water for injections (DEIONISED, BUT OTHERWISE EXACTLY THE SAME AS WHAT'S IN THE TAPS)
mRNA encoding the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein
The AZ-Oxford vaccine contains:
Weakened adenovirus encoding the SARS CoV 2 Spike glycoprotein (THE ADENOVIRUS USUALLY INFECTS CHIMPS BUT CANNOT REPLICATE IN HUMAN CELLS. THE GENE FOR THE SPIKE PROTEIN HAS BEEN INSERTED INTO THIS VIRUS VEHICLE)
L-histidine (AN AMINO ACID - MAKES UP PROTEINS IN OUR BODIES)
L-histidine hydrochloride monohydrate (A FURTHER SOURCE OF THE AMINO ACID HISTIDINE, USED IN FLAVOURING FOOD TOO)
magnesium chloride hexahydrate (A SALT OF MAGNESIUM WITH 6 WATER MOLECULES ATTACHED, HENCE THE HEXAHYDRATE. MAGNESIUM CHLORIDE IS THE SOURCE OF MAGNESIUM IN SUPPLEMENTS)
polysorbate 80 (AN EMULSIFIER/SURFACTANT USED IN THE MANUFACTURE OF FOODS SUCH AS ICE CREAM AND IN MAKE UP TOO)
ethanol (ALCOHOL, TO DISSOLVE THE POLYSORBATE 80)
sucrose (THE SAME SUGAR AS ABOVE)
sodium chloride (THE SAME SALT AS ABOVE)
disodium edetate dihydrate (ANOTHER TYPE OF pH BUFFER)
water for injections (SELF EXPLANATORY)
The chimp adenovirus in the AZ-Oxford vaccine are grown in human embryonic kidney cells. The cells used to grow the Oxford virus are derived from a female embryo in the 1970s - obviously the original cells are no more, but have been replicated many, many times. No cellular material remains when the virus is included in the vaccine - the virus sample is washed with special chemicals many times to remove any trace.
All this information is freely available online, I have added simplified explanation in uppercase."
This is really interesting, thank you |
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By *hickennchipsWoman
over a year ago
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"This thread shows the danger of unfiltered garbage that others post, for very dubious reasons, elsewhere on the internet.
Well no, not really. It seems there is some truth in it so people are allowed to question
What in particular are you questioning?
Nothing? It’s not my thread
So you don't dispute the origins of the virus, the need for lockdowns, social distancing or masks?
Any reservations about the vaccine?"
I’m touched at your interest in me but don’t feel like I need to respond further |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
Derry |
"This thread shows the danger of unfiltered garbage that others post, for very dubious reasons, elsewhere on the internet.
Well no, not really. It seems there is some truth in it so people are allowed to question
What in particular are you questioning?
Nothing? It’s not my thread
So you don't dispute the origins of the virus, the need for lockdowns, social distancing or masks?
Any reservations about the vaccine?
I’m touched at your interest in me but don’t feel like I need to respond further "
I'm just trying to clarify what you think should be questioned. |
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"I was wondering what the vaccine is made up of.
If reports are true then one has cells from aborted foetus in it.
Wonder what the others have in them.
Full ingredients available if you google. Neither of the 2 so far licensed vaccines for covid have any cells connected to the foetal cells extracted in the 60s. "
The adenovirus vehicle for the AZ-Oxford vaccine is grown in human embryonic kidney cells, similar to many viruses included in vaccines. The cells originate from a female embryo sample from the 1970s but the cells in use today are obviously not the originals. They are carbon copies many many times over, and no cellular material is actually in the vaccine itself. You will find human cell lines are used to propagate viruses and other materials for scientific research widely. If people don't like using animals in research, then using human cell lines in vitro is the obvious solution. |
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"Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine contents:
ALC-0315 = (4-hydroxybutyl) azanediyl)bis (hexane-6,1-diyl)bis(2-hexyldecanoate) (THIS IS A TYPE OF FAT THAT MAKES UP THE LIPID BUBBLE THAT ENCASES THE VACCINE MATERIAL)
ALC-0159 = 2-[(polyethylene glycol)-2000]-N,N-ditetradecylacetamide
(THIS IS A TYPE OF FAT FOR THE BUBBLE TOO)
1,2-Distearoyl-sn-glycero-3-phosphocholine (THIS IS A TYPE OF FAT FOR THE BUBBLE AS WELL)
cholesterol (THIS IS ALSO A TYPE OF FAT - THE SAME CHOLESTEROL FOUND IN YOUR CELLS
potassium chloride (A SALT SIMILAR TO SODIUM CHLORIDE (ALSO INCLUDED))
potassium dihydrogen phosphate (THIS IS A CHEMICAL CALLED A BUFFER WHICH HELPS MAINTAIN A STEADY pH FOR THE VACCINE CONTENTS)
sodium chloride (SALT, LIKE YOU PUT ON YOUR CHIPS)
disodium hydrogen phosphate dihydrate (MORE pH BUFFERING)
sucrose (SUGAR, THE SORT YOU PUT ON YOUR CORNFLAKES)
water for injections (DEIONISED, BUT OTHERWISE EXACTLY THE SAME AS WHAT'S IN THE TAPS)
mRNA encoding the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein
The AZ-Oxford vaccine contains:
Weakened adenovirus encoding the SARS CoV 2 Spike glycoprotein (THE ADENOVIRUS USUALLY INFECTS CHIMPS BUT CANNOT REPLICATE IN HUMAN CELLS. THE GENE FOR THE SPIKE PROTEIN HAS BEEN INSERTED INTO THIS VIRUS VEHICLE)
L-histidine (AN AMINO ACID - MAKES UP PROTEINS IN OUR BODIES)
L-histidine hydrochloride monohydrate (A FURTHER SOURCE OF THE AMINO ACID HISTIDINE, USED IN FLAVOURING FOOD TOO)
magnesium chloride hexahydrate (A SALT OF MAGNESIUM WITH 6 WATER MOLECULES ATTACHED, HENCE THE HEXAHYDRATE. MAGNESIUM CHLORIDE IS THE SOURCE OF MAGNESIUM IN SUPPLEMENTS)
polysorbate 80 (AN EMULSIFIER/SURFACTANT USED IN THE MANUFACTURE OF FOODS SUCH AS ICE CREAM AND IN MAKE UP TOO)
ethanol (ALCOHOL, TO DISSOLVE THE POLYSORBATE 80)
sucrose (THE SAME SUGAR AS ABOVE)
sodium chloride (THE SAME SALT AS ABOVE)
disodium edetate dihydrate (ANOTHER TYPE OF pH BUFFER)
water for injections (SELF EXPLANATORY)
The chimp adenovirus in the AZ-Oxford vaccine are grown in human embryonic kidney cells. The cells used to grow the Oxford virus are derived from a female embryo in the 1970s - obviously the original cells are no more, but have been replicated many, many times. No cellular material remains when the virus is included in the vaccine - the virus sample is washed with special chemicals many times to remove any trace.
All this information is freely available online, I have added simplified explanation in uppercase.
This is really interesting, thank you "
No worries. A lot of the chemical names sound worrisome, but they're used in other things we ingest all the time, just under more colloquial names. |
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"This thread shows the danger of unfiltered garbage that others post, for very dubious reasons, elsewhere on the internet.
Well no, not really. It seems there is some truth in it so people are allowed to question
What in particular are you questioning?
Nothing? It’s not my thread
So you don't dispute the origins of the virus, the need for lockdowns, social distancing or masks?
Any reservations about the vaccine?"
The green arrow will tell you that information. |
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By *ty31Man
over a year ago
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"I was wondering what the vaccine is made up of.
If reports are true then one has cells from aborted foetus in it.
Wonder what the others have in them. "
As I understand it, the vaccine has no actual cells from any aborted foetus. The MC-5 cell strain was derived from an aborted foetus but are now propagated in a lab.
The Catholic Church have approved it's followers use of the vaccine which it would not do if aborted foetuses were indeed used in production. |
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By *hickennchipsWoman
over a year ago
up above the streets and houses |
"Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine contents:
ALC-0315 = (4-hydroxybutyl) azanediyl)bis (hexane-6,1-diyl)bis(2-hexyldecanoate) (THIS IS A TYPE OF FAT THAT MAKES UP THE LIPID BUBBLE THAT ENCASES THE VACCINE MATERIAL)
ALC-0159 = 2-[(polyethylene glycol)-2000]-N,N-ditetradecylacetamide
(THIS IS A TYPE OF FAT FOR THE BUBBLE TOO)
1,2-Distearoyl-sn-glycero-3-phosphocholine (THIS IS A TYPE OF FAT FOR THE BUBBLE AS WELL)
cholesterol (THIS IS ALSO A TYPE OF FAT - THE SAME CHOLESTEROL FOUND IN YOUR CELLS
potassium chloride (A SALT SIMILAR TO SODIUM CHLORIDE (ALSO INCLUDED))
potassium dihydrogen phosphate (THIS IS A CHEMICAL CALLED A BUFFER WHICH HELPS MAINTAIN A STEADY pH FOR THE VACCINE CONTENTS)
sodium chloride (SALT, LIKE YOU PUT ON YOUR CHIPS)
disodium hydrogen phosphate dihydrate (MORE pH BUFFERING)
sucrose (SUGAR, THE SORT YOU PUT ON YOUR CORNFLAKES)
water for injections (DEIONISED, BUT OTHERWISE EXACTLY THE SAME AS WHAT'S IN THE TAPS)
mRNA encoding the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein
The AZ-Oxford vaccine contains:
Weakened adenovirus encoding the SARS CoV 2 Spike glycoprotein (THE ADENOVIRUS USUALLY INFECTS CHIMPS BUT CANNOT REPLICATE IN HUMAN CELLS. THE GENE FOR THE SPIKE PROTEIN HAS BEEN INSERTED INTO THIS VIRUS VEHICLE)
L-histidine (AN AMINO ACID - MAKES UP PROTEINS IN OUR BODIES)
L-histidine hydrochloride monohydrate (A FURTHER SOURCE OF THE AMINO ACID HISTIDINE, USED IN FLAVOURING FOOD TOO)
magnesium chloride hexahydrate (A SALT OF MAGNESIUM WITH 6 WATER MOLECULES ATTACHED, HENCE THE HEXAHYDRATE. MAGNESIUM CHLORIDE IS THE SOURCE OF MAGNESIUM IN SUPPLEMENTS)
polysorbate 80 (AN EMULSIFIER/SURFACTANT USED IN THE MANUFACTURE OF FOODS SUCH AS ICE CREAM AND IN MAKE UP TOO)
ethanol (ALCOHOL, TO DISSOLVE THE POLYSORBATE 80)
sucrose (THE SAME SUGAR AS ABOVE)
sodium chloride (THE SAME SALT AS ABOVE)
disodium edetate dihydrate (ANOTHER TYPE OF pH BUFFER)
water for injections (SELF EXPLANATORY)
The chimp adenovirus in the AZ-Oxford vaccine are grown in human embryonic kidney cells. The cells used to grow the Oxford virus are derived from a female embryo in the 1970s - obviously the original cells are no more, but have been replicated many, many times. No cellular material remains when the virus is included in the vaccine - the virus sample is washed with special chemicals many times to remove any trace.
All this information is freely available online, I have added simplified explanation in uppercase.
This is really interesting, thank you
No worries. A lot of the chemical names sound worrisome, but they're used in other things we ingest all the time, just under more colloquial names."
To be honest yes, I didn’t expect to recognise so many ingredients in these vaccines |
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"I was wondering what the vaccine is made up of.
If reports are true then one has cells from aborted foetus in it.
Wonder what the others have in them.
As I understand it, the vaccine has no actual cells from any aborted foetus. The MC-5 cell strain was derived from an aborted foetus but are now propagated in a lab.
The Catholic Church have approved it's followers use of the vaccine which it would not do if aborted foetuses were indeed used in production."
An article published in the journal Nature says the vaccine ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 used T-Rex 293 HEK cells in the virus propagation stage. This refers to 'human embryonic kidney' cells, which are from a different human cell line. (This is copied from another source, but is accurate).
The Vatican has agreed the use of these cell lines is morally justified and is vaccinating its population.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55409693 |
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I wonder OP where you got your information from. Also I wonder if you've ever had vaccinations or if youbm have kids ave you had them vaccinated and questioned their origin.
While these vaccines are new the only reliable sources of information are national health services, the WHO, peer reviewed medical journals and regulatory bodies that approve medicines for use.
If these sources don't give you the peace of mind you need then don't get the vaccine until your reassured |
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This is really interesting, thank you
No worries. A lot of the chemical names sound worrisome, but they're used in other things we ingest all the time, just under more colloquial names.
To be honest yes, I didn’t expect to recognise so many ingredients in these vaccines "
I wish more people would ask/find out the correct info, rather than speculating and misunderstanding, as many inadvertently do here and elsewhere online. |
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This is really interesting, thank you
No worries. A lot of the chemical names sound worrisome, but they're used in other things we ingest all the time, just under more colloquial names.
To be honest yes, I didn’t expect to recognise so many ingredients in these vaccines
I wish more people would ask/find out the correct info, rather than speculating and misunderstanding, as many inadvertently do here and elsewhere online. "
You aren’t alone - drives me absolutely mad. Thanks for posting as I wasn’t aware of the listed ingredients either. |
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By *iger4u OP Woman
over a year ago
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"I wonder OP where you got your information from. Also I wonder if you've ever had vaccinations or if youbm have kids ave you had them vaccinated and questioned their origin.
While these vaccines are new the only reliable sources of information are national health services, the WHO, peer reviewed medical journals and regulatory bodies that approve medicines for use.
If these sources don't give you the peace of mind you need then don't get the vaccine until your reassured "
I read it on a newspaper site tonight.
It was only a couple of lines mentioned but I hadn't seen anything similar until today.
I'm not an anti_vaxxer.
But I do have other concerns. |
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Most of the COVID-19 vaccines in development do not use human cell lines in their production. For example, Pfizer and Moderna use mRNA technology. This mRNA vaccine is a new type of synthetic vaccine.
They have however been used in both medical research and the production of vaccines including hepatitis A, rubella, chickenpox and rabies.
My understanding is that these are cells that originate from a fetus which was aborted decades ago and aborted legally at the time for other reasons, and not for the purposes of vaccine research these cells have been cloned and replicated, many times since.
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"Most of the COVID-19 vaccines in development do not use human cell lines in their production. For example, Pfizer and Moderna use mRNA technology. This mRNA vaccine is a new type of synthetic vaccine.
They have however been used in both medical research and the production of vaccines including hepatitis A, rubella, chickenpox and rabies.
My understanding is that these are cells that originate from a fetus which was aborted decades ago and aborted legally at the time for other reasons, and not for the purposes of vaccine research these cells have been cloned and replicated, many times since.
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See above info that I posted about the human embryonic kidney cells involved in the Oxford vaccine. The mRNA vaccines do not require cell culture, that's right. However a number of others in the pipeline are following a similar approach to Oxford, because it was perhaps more "accepted" as a technique prior to the development of the BioNTech one. In reality, the mRNA technology has been available for nearly 30 years, just no-one wanted to back that horse. The woman who developed that technology back in the late 80s deserves a Nobel prize (Katalin Karikó):. https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/nov/21/covid-vaccine-technology-pioneer-i-never-doubted-it-would-work |
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"I wonder OP where you got your information from. Also I wonder if you've ever had vaccinations or if youbm have kids ave you had them vaccinated and questioned their origin.
While these vaccines are new the only reliable sources of information are national health services, the WHO, peer reviewed medical journals and regulatory bodies that approve medicines for use.
If these sources don't give you the peace of mind you need then don't get the vaccine until your reassured
I read it on a newspaper site tonight.
It was only a couple of lines mentioned but I hadn't seen anything similar until today.
I'm not an anti_vaxxer.
But I do have other concerns. "
We all have concerns OP, I'm a healthcare worker and consider myself very knowledgeable and I have concerns but just look at reliable sources for your info then make your own choice.
E.g. I can set up a website, start a thread, produce info to tell you that cows milk turns babies green. I dont need evidence, proof or any medical reawarch but I could nearly guarantee a certain percentage of people would believe me and repost it because..it was on the Internet it must be true.
We are all intelligent people, use that to make informed, qualified and rational decisions but always question where the info came from |
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"I wonder OP where you got your information from. Also I wonder if you've ever had vaccinations or if youbm have kids ave you had them vaccinated and questioned their origin.
While these vaccines are new the only reliable sources of information are national health services, the WHO, peer reviewed medical journals and regulatory bodies that approve medicines for use.
If these sources don't give you the peace of mind you need then don't get the vaccine until your reassured
I read it on a newspaper site tonight.
It was only a couple of lines mentioned but I hadn't seen anything similar until today.
I'm not an anti_vaxxer.
But I do have other concerns.
We all have concerns OP, I'm a healthcare worker and consider myself very knowledgeable and I have concerns but just look at reliable sources for your info then make your own choice.
E.g. I can set up a website, start a thread, produce info to tell you that cows milk turns babies green. I dont need evidence, proof or any medical reawarch but I could nearly guarantee a certain percentage of people would believe me and repost it because..it was on the Internet it must be true.
We are all intelligent people, use that to make informed, qualified and rational decisions but always question where the info came from"
The problem is a good percentage of the population don't know what a good source actually is. We're not even allowed to link to "good sources" on here, such as peer reviewed journal articles. Sadly, anyone can post any old guff on YouTube and news outlets (as we know) can be and are economical with the truth, put a spin on things and can be very unreliable (depending on the news outlet). I wish we could provide links to the actual science, or the pharmaceutical sites where things like the vaccine ingredient lists can be found. |
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"I wonder OP where you got your information from. Also I wonder if you've ever had vaccinations or if youbm have kids ave you had them vaccinated and questioned their origin.
While these vaccines are new the only reliable sources of information are national health services, the WHO, peer reviewed medical journals and regulatory bodies that approve medicines for use.
If these sources don't give you the peace of mind you need then don't get the vaccine until your reassured
I read it on a newspaper site tonight.
It was only a couple of lines mentioned but I hadn't seen anything similar until today.
I'm not an anti_vaxxer.
But I do have other concerns.
We all have concerns OP, I'm a healthcare worker and consider myself very knowledgeable and I have concerns but just look at reliable sources for your info then make your own choice.
E.g. I can set up a website, start a thread, produce info to tell you that cows milk turns babies green. I dont need evidence, proof or any medical reawarch but I could nearly guarantee a certain percentage of people would believe me and repost it because..it was on the Internet it must be true.
We are all intelligent people, use that to make informed, qualified and rational decisions but always question where the info came from
The problem is a good percentage of the population don't know what a good source actually is. We're not even allowed to link to "good sources" on here, such as peer reviewed journal articles. Sadly, anyone can post any old guff on YouTube and news outlets (as we know) can be and are economical with the truth, put a spin on things and can be very unreliable (depending on the news outlet). I wish we could provide links to the actual science, or the pharmaceutical sites where things like the vaccine ingredient lists can be found."
Op your on a swinging site, why would you want or need medical info in here. Yeah the forums are fun but not for something as important as this. Best place to start...talk to your GP or look up the NHS/ HSE/ Whatever the healthier vice is in your area. |
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By *iger4u OP Woman
over a year ago
In my happy place |
"I wonder OP where you got your information from. Also I wonder if you've ever had vaccinations or if youbm have kids ave you had them vaccinated and questioned their origin.
While these vaccines are new the only reliable sources of information are national health services, the WHO, peer reviewed medical journals and regulatory bodies that approve medicines for use.
If these sources don't give you the peace of mind you need then don't get the vaccine until your reassured
I read it on a newspaper site tonight.
It was only a couple of lines mentioned but I hadn't seen anything similar until today.
I'm not an anti_vaxxer.
But I do have other concerns.
We all have concerns OP, I'm a healthcare worker and consider myself very knowledgeable and I have concerns but just look at reliable sources for your info then make your own choice.
E.g. I can set up a website, start a thread, produce info to tell you that cows milk turns babies green. I dont need evidence, proof or any medical reawarch but I could nearly guarantee a certain percentage of people would believe me and repost it because..it was on the Internet it must be true.
We are all intelligent people, use that to make informed, qualified and rational decisions but always question where the info came from
The problem is a good percentage of the population don't know what a good source actually is. We're not even allowed to link to "good sources" on here, such as peer reviewed journal articles. Sadly, anyone can post any old guff on YouTube and news outlets (as we know) can be and are economical with the truth, put a spin on things and can be very unreliable (depending on the news outlet). I wish we could provide links to the actual science, or the pharmaceutical sites where things like the vaccine ingredient lists can be found.
Op your on a swinging site, why would you want or need medical info in here. Yeah the forums are fun but not for something as important as this. Best place to start...talk to your GP or look up the NHS/ HSE/ Whatever the healthier vice is in your area. "
No thanks. Im not looking for medical advice.
Its a forum, not a clinic.
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"This thread shows the danger of unfiltered garbage that others post, for very dubious reasons, elsewhere on the internet.
Well no, not really. It seems there is some truth in it so people are allowed to question "
Yes,it does. People are right to question and I will willingly join them and support them.
The issue is not here but the rabid churning out of a lot of scaremonvering, BS and other tools of leverage, typically used to cause disquiet and unrest amongst us. |
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By *litterbabeWoman
over a year ago
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I agree, there seems to be so much misrepresentation and miss information about everything that I don't know where to turn these days. I struggle to trust any info anymore.
I was told today that the testing swab contains chemicals that are potentially dangerous to be put up somebody's nose or at the back of their throat, they are needed to help the samples cling well to the testing swab, but apparently they are not very good to have in your body in case they pass through the lining of your nose or or throat.
Never the less, obviously it's very important to be tested if needed. |
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"I agree, there seems to be so much misrepresentation and miss information about everything that I don't know where to turn these days. I struggle to trust any info anymore.
I was told today that the testing swab contains chemicals that are potentially dangerous to be put up somebody's nose or at the back of their throat, they are needed to help the samples cling well to the testing swab, but apparently they are not very good to have in your body in case they pass through the lining of your nose or or throat.
Never the less, obviously it's very important to be tested if needed."
The swab design helps sample stick to the swab. They're made from nylon, Rayon or Dacron (synthetic polymers) which work on the principle of electrostatic charge helping the sample stick. The liquid transport medium the swab goes into after contains foetal bovine serum (taken from the blood of baby cows), antibiotics like amphotericin B (to stop bacterial contamination during transport) and sterile water. |
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" The chemicals they were referring to, I'm not familiar with as would apply to many chemicals, they are hydrogel and agarose gel electrophoresis."
Ok. You've been greatly mislead.
Agarose gel is a substance derived from seawe*ed. A solid agarose gel has many pores within it and is used to separate out the result of the PCR process (which is obviously done after the swab has been taken and transported to a lab). The agarose gel is placed in a plastic box containing a liquid buffer solution. Samples from the PCR are placed at one end of the gel that has special holes pre-existing. Then an electrical current is passed across the gel. The fragments of genetic material in the PCR samples (if any is present) moves through the agarose, stopping when it cannot fit any further through the holes. In the first "lane" of the gel, a reference sample containing known samples of viral RNA is also included. They would decide a positive test exists if the pattern of a sample matches the reference.
Agarose gel electrophoresis has nothing to do with the sample collection.
A hydrogel is a generalised term referring to any polymer that can hold large amounts of water. Agarose is an example of a hydrogel. Again, agarose is found in seawe*ed.
If you Google "agarose gel electrophoresis and Khan Academy" there's a decent little tutorial on the technique. It's a bog standard technique for separating genetic material used throughout scientific research. I teach it to my students. |
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By *litterbabeWoman
over a year ago
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" The chemicals they were referring to, I'm not familiar with as would apply to many chemicals, they are hydrogel and agarose gel electrophoresis.
Ok. You've been greatly mislead.
Agarose gel is a substance derived from seawe*ed. A solid agarose gel has many pores within it and is used to separate out the result of the PCR process (which is obviously done after the swab has been taken and transported to a lab). The agarose gel is placed in a plastic box containing a liquid buffer solution. Samples from the PCR are placed at one end of the gel that has special holes pre-existing. Then an electrical current is passed across the gel. The fragments of genetic material in the PCR samples (if any is present) moves through the agarose, stopping when it cannot fit any further through the holes. In the first "lane" of the gel, a reference sample containing known samples of viral RNA is also included. They would decide a positive test exists if the pattern of a sample matches the reference.
Agarose gel electrophoresis has nothing to do with the sample collection.
A hydrogel is a generalised term referring to any polymer that can hold large amounts of water. Agarose is an example of a hydrogel. Again, agarose is found in seawe*ed.
If you Google "agarose gel electrophoresis and Khan Academy" there's a decent little tutorial on the technique. It's a bog standard technique for separating genetic material used throughout scientific research. I teach it to my students."
Thank you for explaining, I feel much better about the testing process now. |
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By *adyJayneWoman
over a year ago
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"I was told today that the testing swab contains chemicals that are potentially dangerous to be put up somebody's nose or at the back of their throat, they are needed to help the samples cling well to the testing swab, but apparently they are not very good to have in your body in case they pass through the lining of your nose or or throat.
Never the less, obviously it's very important to be tested if needed."
I was tested last week, it was just a plain sterile swab. Nothing on it. |
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