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In the uk
Nearly 15000 people have been admitted to hospital
Over 366000 people have tested positive
Over 4000 people have died
All due to covid 19
At what point does everyone say enough is enough, this is out of control and we need to introduce stricter measures?... |
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"In the uk
Nearly 15000 people have been admitted to hospital
Over 366000 people have tested positive
Over 4000 people have died
All due to covid 19
At what point does everyone say enough is enough, this is out of control and we need to introduce stricter measures?... "
Weeks and even months ago. Certainly wont go down well but i think a few weeks of complete lockdown and closing international borders would work wonders.
Just look at the success in new zealand and australia. If you ask me politicians are scared. Frankly 3 to 4 weeks of no business is much more desirable than another year of this and watching businesses crumble, people lose jobs and the overall mental health effect on the whole population.
Time to suck it up and bare with it so we can all come out of this misery completely |
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I'm sorry but I don't think people should just keep throwing around numbers like that without any statistical breakdown or deep dive insights.
So many people just copy and pasting figures which in turn spreads panic and divides the nation. We don't need fear and panic, we need a calm, logical and safe approach.
Thousands of people die every single day...this is a new danger but we have to TRY to work with it.
We can't just lock ourselves away, and hope it gets bored....that's not how we will beat something.
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I don't think stricter measures will work now, its too late for that and this is going to burn through us at a horrific rate 
The infection number has a 2 week lag rate from infection to symptoms so we are actually today a hell of a lot worse we just don't know it yet... |
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"In the uk
Nearly 15000 people have been admitted to hospital
Over 366000 people have tested positive
Over 4000 people have died
All due to covid 19
At what point does everyone say enough is enough, this is out of control and we need to introduce stricter measures?... "
Can I ask seriously, what do you actually suggest the next step should be. Should we go into a full lockdown, If so, how long and how do you see that helping us. |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
Derry |
"In the uk
Nearly 15000 people have been admitted to hospital
Over 366000 people have tested positive
Over 4000 people have died
All due to covid 19
At what point does everyone say enough is enough, this is out of control and we need to introduce stricter measures?...
Weeks and even months ago. Certainly wont go down well but i think a few weeks of complete lockdown and closing international borders would work wonders.
Just look at the success in new zealand and australia. If you ask me politicians are scared. Frankly 3 to 4 weeks of no business is much more desirable than another year of this and watching businesses crumble, people lose jobs and the overall mental health effect on the whole population.
Time to suck it up and bare with it so we can all come out of this misery completely"
Well the UK shares a 300 mile land border with the Republic of Ireland and by extension the EU. I do think it's very interesting by way of comparison the 2002 foot & mouth outbreaks was treated on a all island basis but those were different times. |
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"In the uk
Nearly 15000 people have been admitted to hospital
Over 366000 people have tested positive
Over 4000 people have died
All due to covid 19
At what point does everyone say enough is enough, this is out of control and we need to introduce stricter measures?...
Can I ask seriously, what do you actually suggest the next step should be. Should we go into a full lockdown, If so, how long and how do you see that helping us."
well if you listened to Boris, this, morning more stronger measures, are coming in the next few, weeks, why wait a, few weeks. It's, out of hand now,. It is, too late,. |
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"In the uk
Nearly 15000 people have been admitted to hospital
Over 366000 people have tested positive
Over 4000 people have died
All due to covid 19
At what point does everyone say enough is enough, this is out of control and we need to introduce stricter measures?...
Weeks and even months ago. Certainly wont go down well but i think a few weeks of complete lockdown and closing international borders would work wonders.
Just look at the success in new zealand and australia. If you ask me politicians are scared. Frankly 3 to 4 weeks of no business is much more desirable than another year of this and watching businesses crumble, people lose jobs and the overall mental health effect on the whole population.
Time to suck it up and bare with it so we can all come out of this misery completely
Well the UK shares a 300 mile land border with the Republic of Ireland and by extension the EU. I do think it's very interesting by way of comparison the 2002 foot & mouth outbreaks was treated on a all island basis but those were different times."
Ummmm we "treated" the foot and mouth epidemic by slaughtering hundreds of thousands of farm animals and burning them on pyres. Is that a solution to Covid?! (I bloody well hope not!) |
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Limit travel to within (for example) 20 miles of your home, only exceptions being key workers going to work (so truckers for example).
It’s logistically unpoliceable so the penalty for breaking it has to be severe, so a fine of several thousand pounds and confiscation of your vehicle.
No travel in or out of the country even between the Great Britain countries. |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
Derry |
"In the uk
Nearly 15000 people have been admitted to hospital
Over 366000 people have tested positive
Over 4000 people have died
All due to covid 19
At what point does everyone say enough is enough, this is out of control and we need to introduce stricter measures?...
Weeks and even months ago. Certainly wont go down well but i think a few weeks of complete lockdown and closing international borders would work wonders.
Just look at the success in new zealand and australia. If you ask me politicians are scared. Frankly 3 to 4 weeks of no business is much more desirable than another year of this and watching businesses crumble, people lose jobs and the overall mental health effect on the whole population.
Time to suck it up and bare with it so we can all come out of this misery completely
Well the UK shares a 300 mile land border with the Republic of Ireland and by extension the EU. I do think it's very interesting by way of comparison the 2002 foot & mouth outbreaks was treated on a all island basis but those were different times.
Ummmm we "treated" the foot and mouth epidemic by slaughtering hundreds of thousands of farm animals and burning them on pyres. Is that a solution to Covid?! (I bloody well hope not!)"
The point that I'm making is that with regard to foot & mouth was the respective govts agreed to tackle the problem on a geographical basis, which on this island meant 2 govts working in coordination. The point that I was making was you have freedom of movement between UK & NI and then by extension with the republic. |
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"In the uk
Nearly 15000 people have been admitted to hospital
Over 366000 people have tested positive
Over 4000 people have died
All due to covid 19
At what point does everyone say enough is enough, this is out of control and we need to introduce stricter measures?...
Weeks and even months ago. Certainly wont go down well but i think a few weeks of complete lockdown and closing international borders would work wonders.
Just look at the success in new zealand and australia. If you ask me politicians are scared. Frankly 3 to 4 weeks of no business is much more desirable than another year of this and watching businesses crumble, people lose jobs and the overall mental health effect on the whole population.
Time to suck it up and bare with it so we can all come out of this misery completely
Well the UK shares a 300 mile land border with the Republic of Ireland and by extension the EU. I do think it's very interesting by way of comparison the 2002 foot & mouth outbreaks was treated on a all island basis but those were different times.
Ummmm we "treated" the foot and mouth epidemic by slaughtering hundreds of thousands of farm animals and burning them on pyres. Is that a solution to Covid?! (I bloody well hope not!)
The point that I'm making is that with regard to foot & mouth was the respective govts agreed to tackle the problem on a geographical basis, which on this island meant 2 govts working in coordination. The point that I was making was you have freedom of movement between UK & NI and then by extension with the republic."
I understand that, but the nature of foot and mouth isn't really comparable. As I said, the main "firebreak" to stop spread was large scale animal slaughter (on both sides of the UK-Irish border) and things like cross border trade in animals and meat was affected. Thing is, cows and sheep do exactly what we tell them. If they knew they were going to be slaughtered and burned, maybe the animals would have organised "anti-slaughter" protests?! Basically, diseases in domesticated animals aren't exactly comparable to diseases in humans, who have the free will to choose to ignore/evade whatever cross border regulations might have been imposed.
Also, the Brexit agreement probably means cross border co-operation on freedom of movement is a bit difficult to negotiate or change. |
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"Limit travel to within (for example) 20 miles of your home, only exceptions being key workers going to work (so truckers for example).
It’s logistically unpoliceable so the penalty for breaking it has to be severe, so a fine of several thousand pounds and confiscation of your vehicle.
No travel in or out of the country even between the Great Britain countries."
Ok so not a trucker but tomorrow I drive from Edinburgh to Suffolk and back for work, say I’m stopped in Suffolk and mr police officer decides by his interpretation of the rules because there’s no consistency across the board that my drive wasn’t within the rules I get my car confiscated a massive fine and left stranded 300+ miles from home |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
Derry |
"In the uk
Nearly 15000 people have been admitted to hospital
Over 366000 people have tested positive
Over 4000 people have died
All due to covid 19
At what point does everyone say enough is enough, this is out of control and we need to introduce stricter measures?...
Weeks and even months ago. Certainly wont go down well but i think a few weeks of complete lockdown and closing international borders would work wonders.
Just look at the success in new zealand and australia. If you ask me politicians are scared. Frankly 3 to 4 weeks of no business is much more desirable than another year of this and watching businesses crumble, people lose jobs and the overall mental health effect on the whole population.
Time to suck it up and bare with it so we can all come out of this misery completely
Well the UK shares a 300 mile land border with the Republic of Ireland and by extension the EU. I do think it's very interesting by way of comparison the 2002 foot & mouth outbreaks was treated on a all island basis but those were different times.
Ummmm we "treated" the foot and mouth epidemic by slaughtering hundreds of thousands of farm animals and burning them on pyres. Is that a solution to Covid?! (I bloody well hope not!)
The point that I'm making is that with regard to foot & mouth was the respective govts agreed to tackle the problem on a geographical basis, which on this island meant 2 govts working in coordination. The point that I was making was you have freedom of movement between UK & NI and then by extension with the republic.
I understand that, but the nature of foot and mouth isn't really comparable. As I said, the main "firebreak" to stop spread was large scale animal slaughter (on both sides of the UK-Irish border) and things like cross border trade in animals and meat was affected. Thing is, cows and sheep do exactly what we tell them. If they knew they were going to be slaughtered and burned, maybe the animals would have organised "anti-slaughter" protests?! Basically, diseases in domesticated animals aren't exactly comparable to diseases in humans, who have the free will to choose to ignore/evade whatever cross border regulations might have been imposed.
Also, the Brexit agreement probably means cross border co-operation on freedom of movement is a bit difficult to negotiate or change."
The main firebreak to stop the spread was initially the restrictions of movements of livestock. There was only one outbreak in Ireland v close to the border and none in NI. The other significant step was stopping movements and gatherings of people likely to spread the disease (even cheltenham).
But the point I'm trying is that if you want to close the borders, where do you want to do it, the land border or sea border? Either is a shit sandwich and compounded by Brexit and the Common Travel Agreement between Ireland & the UK. |
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"We need a total lockdown for 2021 and 2022 
I hope you are joking? Suicide rates are already high enough "
Virus rates suicide rates
We must lockdown for the next two years at least.
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The main firebreak to stop the spread was initially the restrictions of movements of livestock. There was only one outbreak in Ireland v close to the border and none in NI. The other significant step was stopping movements and gatherings of people likely to spread the disease (even cheltenham).
But the point I'm trying is that if you want to close the borders, where do you want to do it, the land border or sea border? Either is a shit sandwich and compounded by Brexit and the Common Travel Agreement between Ireland & the UK."
Yes, and when movement of animals ceased, you didn't get rogue cows sneaking over into ROI to rendezvous with it's girlfriend, or sneaky sheep deciding to take a little holiday into the North! That's the great thing about domesticated animals - we can fence them in and they stay put. Trying to stop people moving between the two areas would be like herding cats. Yes, you can have border patrols on the land (in theory), but they don't cover every square inch and patrolling a sea border - well, I'm sure there's not enough border vessels to stop every little boat (or jet ski  ) |
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By *hickennchipsWoman
over a year ago
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"We need a total lockdown for 2021 and 2022
I hope you are joking? Suicide rates are already high enough
Virus rates suicide rates
We must lockdown for the next two years at least.
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You are welcome to go hide in your bunker, I won’t be  |
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"We need a total lockdown for 2021 and 2022
I hope you are joking? Suicide rates are already high enough
Virus rates suicide rates
We must lockdown for the next two years at least.
You are welcome to go hide in your bunker, I won’t be "
You won't have a choice, we will be in lockdown all of 2021. |
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"We need a total lockdown for 2021 and 2022
I hope you are joking? Suicide rates are already high enough
Virus rates suicide rates
We must lockdown for the next two years at least.
You are welcome to go hide in your bunker, I won’t be "
I'm glad that you are happy enough to continue on despite the devastating effect this pandemic is having on the whole world, but I can't justify all the illness and death because people don't like restrictions. |
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"In the uk
Nearly 15000 people have been admitted to hospital
Over 366000 people have tested positive
Over 4000 people have died
All due to covid 19
At what point does everyone say enough is enough, this is out of control and we need to introduce stricter measures?...
Can I ask seriously, what do you actually suggest the next step should be. Should we go into a full lockdown, If so, how long and how do you see that helping us."
Yes, I do suggest a full lock down, as an earlier poster said, surely that's better that hald arsed measures taking longer to get things under control again.
A full lock down and focus on vaccine administering is how I think things should proceed. |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
Derry |
"We need a total lockdown for 2021 and 2022
I hope you are joking? Suicide rates are already high enough
Virus rates suicide rates
We must lockdown for the next two years at least.
You are welcome to go hide in your bunker, I won’t be "
Do you really have a bunker? Who are you expecting? |
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By *hickennchipsWoman
over a year ago
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"We need a total lockdown for 2021 and 2022
I hope you are joking? Suicide rates are already high enough
Virus rates suicide rates
We must lockdown for the next two years at least.
You are welcome to go hide in your bunker, I won’t be
I'm glad that you are happy enough to continue on despite the devastating effect this pandemic is having on the whole world, but I can't justify all the illness and death because people don't like restrictions. "
Don’t be ridiculous, he suggested two years! |
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By *hickennchipsWoman
over a year ago
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"We need a total lockdown for 2021 and 2022
I hope you are joking? Suicide rates are already high enough
Virus rates suicide rates
We must lockdown for the next two years at least.
You are welcome to go hide in your bunker, I won’t be
Do you really have a bunker? Who are you expecting?"
I wish I had a wine cellar right now! |
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"We need a total lockdown for 2021 and 2022
I hope you are joking? Suicide rates are already high enough
Virus rates suicide rates
We must lockdown for the next two years at least.
You are welcome to go hide in your bunker, I won’t be
I'm glad that you are happy enough to continue on despite the devastating effect this pandemic is having on the whole world, but I can't justify all the illness and death because people don't like restrictions.
Don’t be ridiculous, he suggested two years! "
You said at the beginning the restrictions were depressing enough as they are, even based on the current situation, you don't think they should change? |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
Derry |
"We need a total lockdown for 2021 and 2022
I hope you are joking? Suicide rates are already high enough
Virus rates suicide rates
We must lockdown for the next two years at least.
You are welcome to go hide in your bunker, I won’t be
Do you really have a bunker? Who are you expecting?
I wish I had a wine cellar right now! "
So you don't have a bunker, it was mockery? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"In the uk
Nearly 15000 people have been admitted to hospital
Over 366000 people have tested positive
Over 4000 people have died
All due to covid 19
At what point does everyone say enough is enough, this is out of control and we need to introduce stricter measures?...
Can I ask seriously, what do you actually suggest the next step should be. Should we go into a full lockdown, If so, how long and how do you see that helping us.
Yes, I do suggest a full lock down, as an earlier poster said, surely that's better that hald arsed measures taking longer to get things under control again.
A full lock down and focus on vaccine administering is how I think things should proceed. "
I agree
Schools need to close too. The whole school indecision thing is nonsense
Time to get tough. Or hospitals will collapse under the weight, and then we're in deep shit |
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By *hickennchipsWoman
over a year ago
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"We need a total lockdown for 2021 and 2022
I hope you are joking? Suicide rates are already high enough
Virus rates suicide rates
We must lockdown for the next two years at least.
You are welcome to go hide in your bunker, I won’t be
I'm glad that you are happy enough to continue on despite the devastating effect this pandemic is having on the whole world, but I can't justify all the illness and death because people don't like restrictions.
Don’t be ridiculous, he suggested two years!
You said at the beginning the restrictions were depressing enough as they are, even based on the current situation, you don't think they should change? "
No I don’t. Tier 5 would be ridiculous. I think things are tough enough for people right now trying to work, home eduction and run a home. Enough is enough. |
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"We need a total lockdown for 2021 and 2022
I hope you are joking? Suicide rates are already high enough
Virus rates suicide rates
We must lockdown for the next two years at least.
You are welcome to go hide in your bunker, I won’t be
I'm glad that you are happy enough to continue on despite the devastating effect this pandemic is having on the whole world, but I can't justify all the illness and death because people don't like restrictions.
Don’t be ridiculous, he suggested two years! "
Ok then, 3 years, total lockdown with curfews |
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"We need a total lockdown for 2021 and 2022
I hope you are joking? Suicide rates are already high enough
Virus rates suicide rates
We must lockdown for the next two years at least.
You are welcome to go hide in your bunker, I won’t be
I'm glad that you are happy enough to continue on despite the devastating effect this pandemic is having on the whole world, but I can't justify all the illness and death because people don't like restrictions.
Don’t be ridiculous, he suggested two years!
You said at the beginning the restrictions were depressing enough as they are, even based on the current situation, you don't think they should change?
No I don’t. Tier 5 would be ridiculous. I think things are tough enough for people right now trying to work, home eduction and run a home. Enough is enough. "
Some people do that anyway, lots of people home educate their children.
Money is the big problem but the government need to help fund those who will be at home better, rather that wasting money.
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"Limit travel to within (for example) 20 miles of your home, only exceptions being key workers going to work (so truckers for example).
It’s logistically unpoliceable so the penalty for breaking it has to be severe, so a fine of several thousand pounds and confiscation of your vehicle.
No travel in or out of the country even between the Great Britain countries."
What if it's 20.2 miles?
Is that 20 miles by travel or as the crow flies? |
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"We need a total lockdown for 2021 and 2022
I hope you are joking? Suicide rates are already high enough
Virus rates suicide rates
We must lockdown for the next two years at least.
You are welcome to go hide in your bunker, I won’t be
I'm glad that you are happy enough to continue on despite the devastating effect this pandemic is having on the whole world, but I can't justify all the illness and death because people don't like restrictions.
Don’t be ridiculous, he suggested two years!
You said at the beginning the restrictions were depressing enough as they are, even based on the current situation, you don't think they should change?
No I don’t. Tier 5 would be ridiculous. I think things are tough enough for people right now trying to work, home eduction and run a home. Enough is enough.
Some people do that anyway, lots of people home educate their children.
Money is the big problem but the government need to help fund those who will be at home better, rather that wasting money.
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Very few people did home education AND work FT (prior to the Covid pandemic). Certainly, the home educators I know were too busy taking their kids to museums, educational trips, to the library etc. to also work FT. |
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"In the uk
Nearly 15000 people have been admitted to hospital
Over 366000 people have tested positive
Over 4000 people have died
All due to covid 19
At what point does everyone say enough is enough, this is out of control and we need to introduce stricter measures?...
Can I ask seriously, what do you actually suggest the next step should be. Should we go into a full lockdown, If so, how long and how do you see that helping us.
Yes, I do suggest a full lock down, as an earlier poster said, surely that's better that hald arsed measures taking longer to get things under control again.
A full lock down and focus on vaccine administering is how I think things should proceed.
I agree
Schools need to close too. The whole school indecision thing is nonsense
Time to get tough. Or hospitals will collapse under the weight, and then we're in deep shit"
Close the schools, then make sure you also get tough on all those out in their groups when they shouldn’t be, drinking their takeaway pints in the streets / parks etc. |
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"Uk figures are higher than Germany France and Italy combined.
Deaths per million higher than USA
We can expect another full lockdown by midweek or the hospitals won’t be able to cope. "
Yes
We have one of the highest death rates in the world
Question is, why? |
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"We need a total lockdown for 2021 and 2022
I hope you are joking? Suicide rates are already high enough
Virus rates suicide rates
We must lockdown for the next two years at least.
You are welcome to go hide in your bunker, I won’t be
I'm glad that you are happy enough to continue on despite the devastating effect this pandemic is having on the whole world, but I can't justify all the illness and death because people don't like restrictions.
Don’t be ridiculous, he suggested two years!
You said at the beginning the restrictions were depressing enough as they are, even based on the current situation, you don't think they should change?
No I don’t. Tier 5 would be ridiculous. I think things are tough enough for people right now trying to work, home eduction and run a home. Enough is enough.
Some people do that anyway, lots of people home educate their children.
Money is the big problem but the government need to help fund those who will be at home better, rather that wasting money.
Very few people did home education AND work FT (prior to the Covid pandemic). Certainly, the home educators I know were too busy taking their kids to museums, educational trips, to the library etc. to also work FT."
I wasn't insinuating people worked full time and home educate, I understand that would be impossible with young children. |
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"Uk figures are higher than Germany France and Italy combined.
Deaths per million higher than USA
We can expect another full lockdown by midweek or the hospitals won’t be able to cope.
Yes
We have one of the highest death rates in the world
Question is, why?"
Correction Belgium has the highest death rate per capita.. |
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"I meant to add in 7 days.
These statistics are from the government covid dashboard, not ones I found on Facebook!
Find me something else that's killing over 4000 people a week!! "
Just to be pedantic. It's 4,000 who have died and been tested positive for covid 19 in the previous 28 days or actually including flu now.
Someone could be killed in a road traffic accident but if they've been tested positive in the 28 days before, it's put down as a covid death.
Just saying |
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"I meant to add in 7 days.
These statistics are from the government covid dashboard, not ones I found on Facebook!
Find me something else that's killing over 4000 people a week!!
Just to be pedantic. It's 4,000 who have died and been tested positive for covid 19 in the previous 28 days or actually including flu now.
Someone could be killed in a road traffic accident but if they've been tested positive in the 28 days before, it's put down as a covid death.
Just saying "
It's not including flu at all! |
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"Uk figures are higher than Germany France and Italy combined.
Deaths per million higher than USA
We can expect another full lockdown by midweek or the hospitals won’t be able to cope.
Yes
We have one of the highest death rates in the world
Question is, why?"
All anecdotal
Ageing population. 20% over 65
26% male / 29% female obesity - higher risk
79% uk live in urban environments - higher density population making faster transmission |
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195 countries on the globe
UK 5th highest for covid (21st largest by population)
We have not listened, flouted the rules that were not stringent enough or prompt enough
Now the fastest transmission in Europe |
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"Uk figures are higher than Germany France and Italy combined.
Deaths per million higher than USA
We can expect another full lockdown by midweek or the hospitals won’t be able to cope.
Yes
We have one of the highest death rates in the world
Question is, why?
Correction Belgium has the highest death rate per capita.."
I said " one of the highest" |
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"195 countries on the globe
UK 5th highest for covid (21st largest by population)
We have not listened, flouted the rules that were not stringent enough or prompt enough
Now the fastest transmission in Europe "
I agree |
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By *andrewMan
over a year ago
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It would be good if the figures gave a breakdown of the new cases by age range so it is then plain where the effort needs to be to tem the cases. Also any of the footballers who break the rules should be banned to the r=end of the season and no wages either as they are very privileged and should be an example. Too many just saying sorry after the event. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"We need a total lockdown for 2021 and 2022
I hope you are joking? Suicide rates are already high enough
Virus rates suicide rates
We must lockdown for the next two years at least.
You are welcome to go hide in your bunker, I won’t be
I'm glad that you are happy enough to continue on despite the devastating effect this pandemic is having on the whole world, but I can't justify all the illness and death because people don't like restrictions.
Don’t be ridiculous, he suggested two years!
Ok then, 3 years, total lockdown with curfews "
My god are you for real. 3 years in lockdown with curfews. People can recover from COVID, but not from suicide that will increase through mental issues caused by such a lockdown. |
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I had COVID was hospitalised and put in intensive care just before Christmas the staff I talked too when I finally felt better said they are not overwhelmed at all and they don’t understand why the government is telling people that. Obviously this could have changed now but it does make me doubt it. |
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"195 countries on the globe
UK 5th highest for covid (21st largest by population)
We have not listened, flouted the rules that were not stringent enough or prompt enough
Now the fastest transmission in Europe "
Yeah, perversely when the news reports were interviewing French new year rave goers, I was oddly comforted
At least we arent the only country full of selfish twats |
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"It would be good if the figures gave a breakdown of the new cases by age range so it is then plain where the effort needs to be to tem the cases. Also any of the footballers who break the rules should be banned to the r=end of the season and no wages either as they are very privileged and should be an example. Too many just saying sorry after the event."
Why should that one profession be singled out for more punitive sanctions?
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"It would be good if the figures gave a breakdown of the new cases by age range so it is then plain where the effort needs to be to tem the cases. Also any of the footballers who break the rules should be banned to the r=end of the season and no wages either as they are very privileged and should be an example. Too many just saying sorry after the event."
It’s spreading so fast I don’t think anyone knows now - 3/4 of the country in teir3/4 and still 54000 new cases a day. |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
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"It would be good if the figures gave a breakdown of the new cases by age range so it is then plain where the effort needs to be to tem the cases. Also any of the footballers who break the rules should be banned to the r=end of the season and no wages either as they are very privileged and should be an example. Too many just saying sorry after the event.
Why should that one profession be singled out for more punitive sanctions?
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Because of tabloids and they're a soft high profile target. |
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"It would be good if the figures gave a breakdown of the new cases by age range so it is then plain where the effort needs to be to tem the cases. Also any of the footballers who break the rules should be banned to the r=end of the season and no wages either as they are very privileged and should be an example. Too many just saying sorry after the event.
It’s spreading so fast I don’t think anyone knows now - 3/4 of the country in teir3/4 and still 54000 new cases a day. "
T4 started 14 days ago, you won’t see any decrease in numbers from that change for some time. |
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By *ty31Man
over a year ago
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"They are strict enough and depressing enough already "
True. It's become apparent that blunt lockdown measures are not working and are quite possibly making the problem worse.
What we need are thought out, well judged, sensible control measures and restrictions which target the areas which are actually causing transmission |
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5pm tomorrow night BoJo is making his decision on a 2nd complete national lockdown. Schools, pubs, restaurants, absolutely everything they can't be justified as "Essential".
Whether he gives the word or not is to be seen though. |
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"We need a total lockdown for 2021 and 2022
I hope you are joking? Suicide rates are already high enough
Virus rates suicide rates
We must lockdown for the next two years at least.
You are welcome to go hide in your bunker, I won’t be
I'm glad that you are happy enough to continue on despite the devastating effect this pandemic is having on the whole world, but I can't justify all the illness and death because people don't like restrictions.
Don’t be ridiculous, he suggested two years!
You said at the beginning the restrictions were depressing enough as they are, even based on the current situation, you don't think they should change?
No I don’t. Tier 5 would be ridiculous. I think things are tough enough for people right now trying to work, home eduction and run a home. Enough is enough.
Some people do that anyway, lots of people home educate their children.
Money is the big problem but the government need to help fund those who will be at home better, rather that wasting money.
Very few people did home education AND work FT (prior to the Covid pandemic). Certainly, the home educators I know were too busy taking their kids to museums, educational trips, to the library etc. to also work FT.
I wasn't insinuating people worked full time and home educate, I understand that would be impossible with young children. "
But that's effectively what needs to happen when schools are closed. Small children are very unlikely to be able to operate the computer and other tech effectively to learn, without support. Mr KC and I worked FT with a 3yo at home (so not formal education), from March to June when nursery was closed. We nearly lost the plot and that was with two of us to act as tennis racquets to bounce her back and forth. "Mummy, I need a poo" is not something I ever expected to encounter when starting a lesson (online) about the structure and function of plants  |
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By *viatrixWoman
over a year ago
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"I had COVID was hospitalised and put in intensive care just before Christmas the staff I talked too when I finally felt better said they are not overwhelmed at all and they don’t understand why the government is telling people that. Obviously this could have changed now but it does make me doubt it. "
Thank you for that. Good to see some first hand experiences rather that’s what’s seen on social media.
Also, very interesting to see that most people who clamour to close schools don’t have school-age children themselves... |
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"It would be good if the figures gave a breakdown of the new cases by age range so it is then plain where the effort needs to be to tem the cases. Also any of the footballers who break the rules should be banned to the r=end of the season and no wages either as they are very privileged and should be an example. Too many just saying sorry after the event."
There is a site I check called travelling tabby coronavirus tracker which breaks down the numbers far more |
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"I had COVID was hospitalised and put in intensive care just before Christmas the staff I talked too when I finally felt better said they are not overwhelmed at all and they don’t understand why the government is telling people that. Obviously this could have changed now but it does make me doubt it. "
You're in one of the last remaining tier 3 areas in the country. The places struggling to cope are mainly in the south, where the new variant was first identified. They ARE under significant pressure. If the pressure gets too much, patients will start to be transported to other areas of the country where there's capacity. So, if Hull has slack, it might well be taken up by patients from outside the area soon. |
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...Just look at the success in new zealand and australia... "
Australia and New Zealand, as well as being remote and islands, are both in summer at the moment.
So is South Africa which oddly seems to be connected with the recent variant. However South Africa, amongst other differences, has land borders.
Geographical isolation coupled with a relatively low population seems to be the key.
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"Limit travel to within (for example) 20 miles of your home, only exceptions being key workers going to work (so truckers for example).
It’s logistically unpoliceable so the penalty for breaking it has to be severe, so a fine of several thousand pounds and confiscation of your vehicle.
No travel in or out of the country even between the Great Britain countries."
Don't forget the police have ANPR cameras, these can be used quite well to track and issue fines. |
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"I had COVID was hospitalised and put in intensive care just before Christmas the staff I talked too when I finally felt better said they are not overwhelmed at all and they don’t understand why the government is telling people that. Obviously this could have changed now but it does make me doubt it.
You're in one of the last remaining tier 3 areas in the country. The places struggling to cope are mainly in the south, where the new variant was first identified. They ARE under significant pressure. If the pressure gets too much, patients will start to be transported to other areas of the country where there's capacity. So, if Hull has slack, it might well be taken up by patients from outside the area soon."
That has already started to happen |
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"They are strict enough and depressing enough already
True. It's become apparent that blunt lockdown measures are not working and are quite possibly making the problem worse.
What we need are thought out, well judged, sensible control measures and restrictions which target the areas which are actually causing transmission "
It’s not lockdown though, there are more people out and about meeting up outside than before. |
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over a year ago
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"We need a total lockdown for 2021 and 2022
I hope you are joking? Suicide rates are already high enough
Virus rates suicide rates
We must lockdown for the next two years at least.
You are welcome to go hide in your bunker, I won’t be "
I think from reading numerous posts across numerous virus threads we're all under no illusions that you've not been locking down. But thanks for the clarification. |
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By *hickennchipsWoman
over a year ago
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"We need a total lockdown for 2021 and 2022
I hope you are joking? Suicide rates are already high enough
Virus rates suicide rates
We must lockdown for the next two years at least.
You are welcome to go hide in your bunker, I won’t be
I think from reading numerous posts across numerous virus threads we're all under no illusions that you've not been locking down. But thanks for the clarification. "
No you are right, I’ve been working as a frontline care worker |
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NHS England website
Hospital admissions - covid
25 December 1952
26 December 2298
27 December 2572
28 December 2795
29 December 2886
30 December 2861’
31 December 2536
01 January 3010
54% increase in a week and rising
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
Derry |
"We need a total lockdown for 2021 and 2022
I hope you are joking? Suicide rates are already high enough
Virus rates suicide rates
We must lockdown for the next two years at least.
You are welcome to go hide in your bunker, I won’t be
I think from reading numerous posts across numerous virus threads we're all under no illusions that you've not been locking down. But thanks for the clarification.
No you are right, I’ve been working as a frontline care worker "
The coalface opposed to the coal bunker. |
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"We need a total lockdown for 2021 and 2022
I hope you are joking? Suicide rates are already high enough
Virus rates suicide rates
We must lockdown for the next two years at least.
You are welcome to go hide in your bunker, I won’t be
I think from reading numerous posts across numerous virus threads we're all under no illusions that you've not been locking down. But thanks for the clarification.
No you are right, I’ve been working as a frontline care worker "
Not as a teacher, like you said on another thread? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"We need a total lockdown for 2021 and 2022
I hope you are joking? Suicide rates are already high enough
Virus rates suicide rates
We must lockdown for the next two years at least.
You are welcome to go hide in your bunker, I won’t be
I think from reading numerous posts across numerous virus threads we're all under no illusions that you've not been locking down. But thanks for the clarification.
No you are right, I’ve been working as a frontline care worker
Not as a teacher, like you said on another thread?"
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By *hickennchipsWoman
over a year ago
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"We need a total lockdown for 2021 and 2022
I hope you are joking? Suicide rates are already high enough
Virus rates suicide rates
We must lockdown for the next two years at least.
You are welcome to go hide in your bunker, I won’t be
I think from reading numerous posts across numerous virus threads we're all under no illusions that you've not been locking down. But thanks for the clarification.
No you are right, I’ve been working as a frontline care worker
Not as a teacher, like you said on another thread?"
I’m a teacher as well |
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By *hickennchipsWoman
over a year ago
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"We need a total lockdown for 2021 and 2022
I hope you are joking? Suicide rates are already high enough
Virus rates suicide rates
We must lockdown for the next two years at least.
You are welcome to go hide in your bunker, I won’t be
I think from reading numerous posts across numerous virus threads we're all under no illusions that you've not been locking down. But thanks for the clarification.
No you are right, I’ve been working as a frontline care worker
Not as a teacher, like you said on another thread?
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"We need a total lockdown for 2021 and 2022
I hope you are joking? Suicide rates are already high enough
Virus rates suicide rates
We must lockdown for the next two years at least.
You are welcome to go hide in your bunker, I won’t be
I think from reading numerous posts across numerous virus threads we're all under no illusions that you've not been locking down. But thanks for the clarification.
No you are right, I’ve been working as a frontline care worker
Not as a teacher, like you said on another thread?
It is possible to work more than one job you know "
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This lot have form for being reactive, after the date. We thus get worse results and typically worse restrictions when done.
The first lockdown had our greatest results and we appear to be at a similar point as things are now escalating again.
Delay and the results will be worse.
We could train many more in lockdown to vaccinate people, so we'd get millions more with immunity far quicker. Johnson won't or can't ever manage the priority process well enough to state when we will be ready to do 2 million per week. That's intolerable. |
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By *ty31Man
over a year ago
NW London |
"They are strict enough and depressing enough already
True. It's become apparent that blunt lockdown measures are not working and are quite possibly making the problem worse.
What we need are thought out, well judged, sensible control measures and restrictions which target the areas which are actually causing transmission
It’s not lockdown though, there are more people out and about meeting up outside than before. "
It's close enough, short of employing martial law I don't see how it's possible to force people to stay indoors.
I think what we are seeing is mass lockdown fatigue, the first lockdown went on for so long that it's physically drained so many people combined with the apocalyptic predictions of Professor Ferguson's modelling not coming remotely true people have lost faith in The Science somewhat. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"In the uk
Nearly 15000 people have been admitted to hospital
Over 366000 people have tested positive
Over 4000 people have died
All due to covid 19
At what point does everyone say enough is enough, this is out of control and we need to introduce stricter measures?... "
I agree we need stricter and enforced measures cases round here have doubled in the last 7 days |
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"They are strict enough and depressing enough already
True. It's become apparent that blunt lockdown measures are not working and are quite possibly making the problem worse.
What we need are thought out, well judged, sensible control measures and restrictions which target the areas which are actually causing transmission
It’s not lockdown though, there are more people out and about meeting up outside than before.
It's close enough, short of employing martial law I don't see how it's possible to force people to stay indoors.
I think what we are seeing is mass lockdown fatigue, the first lockdown went on for so long that it's physically drained so many people combined with the apocalyptic predictions of Professor Ferguson's modelling not coming remotely true people have lost faith in The Science somewhat."
It really isn’t though, queuing to get pints from the pubs then standing on the streets with your mates. Out in the parks socialising, not social distanced and hardly anyone abiding by the one person outside your household.
Match was the nearest we got to lockdown, everything else since is farcical. |
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over a year ago
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First lockdown I was quiet at work..gp nurse.
2nd lockdown.. ive never been so busy...all trying to access health with shopping lists of problems ever other mental health issue..
I was exhausted.. the services out there cant deal with such high depression rates.
Whatever decision at present...its not clearly working.
My vaccine clinic got cancelled..reason unknown?
It's a shambles
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"Uk figures are higher than Germany France and Italy combined.
Deaths per million higher than USA
We can expect another full lockdown by midweek or the hospitals won’t be able to cope.
Yes
We have one of the highest death rates in the world
Question is, why?"
More elderly in our population and more chronicle ill who would have already died in countries without good affordable healthcare services. High levels of obesity and general poor health though poorer lifestyle choices than elsewhere. Combine that with high density living, a very mobile society and too many halfwits that apply the same contempt for following basic instruction as a crayon eating 2 year old!
Also comparing national figures is like comparing apples with airplanes. Each nation has widely different reporting criteria and different accuracies in their record keeping. |
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"We need a total lockdown for 2021 and 2022
I hope you are joking? Suicide rates are already high enough
Virus rates suicide rates
We must lockdown for the next two years at least.
You are welcome to go hide in your bunker, I won’t be "
My friends who are teachers are calling for schools to be shut as they feel the environment is unsafe. I’m interested in your take on this as you don’t seem to be in support of any more restrictions. |
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"They are strict enough and depressing enough already
True. It's become apparent that blunt lockdown measures are not working and are quite possibly making the problem worse.
What we need are thought out, well judged, sensible control measures and restrictions which target the areas which are actually causing transmission
It’s not lockdown though, there are more people out and about meeting up outside than before.
It's close enough, short of employing martial law I don't see how it's possible to force people to stay indoors.
I think what we are seeing is mass lockdown fatigue, the first lockdown went on for so long that it's physically drained so many people combined with the apocalyptic predictions of Professor Ferguson's modelling not coming remotely true people have lost faith in The Science somewhat."
Of course the modelling didn’t come true, the modelling was what would happen if no measures had been taken.. measures have slowed progression but the mortality rate has not really changed, the model remains valid. |
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By *ty31Man
over a year ago
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"They are strict enough and depressing enough already
True. It's become apparent that blunt lockdown measures are not working and are quite possibly making the problem worse.
What we need are thought out, well judged, sensible control measures and restrictions which target the areas which are actually causing transmission
It’s not lockdown though, there are more people out and about meeting up outside than before.
It's close enough, short of employing martial law I don't see how it's possible to force people to stay indoors.
I think what we are seeing is mass lockdown fatigue, the first lockdown went on for so long that it's physically drained so many people combined with the apocalyptic predictions of Professor Ferguson's modelling not coming remotely true people have lost faith in The Science somewhat.
It really isn’t though, queuing to get pints from the pubs then standing on the streets with your mates. Out in the parks socialising, not social distanced and hardly anyone abiding by the one person outside your household.
Match was the nearest we got to lockdown, everything else since is farcical. "
People were buying takeaway pints last year during lockdown 1. Now they can't (in Tier 4 anyway).
For a lot of people the one person rule doesn't make much sense considering that they can have an unlimited number of co-workers which can also change or rotate as often as the employer chooses. |
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"They are strict enough and depressing enough already
True. It's become apparent that blunt lockdown measures are not working and are quite possibly making the problem worse.
What we need are thought out, well judged, sensible control measures and restrictions which target the areas which are actually causing transmission
It’s not lockdown though, there are more people out and about meeting up outside than before.
It's close enough, short of employing martial law I don't see how it's possible to force people to stay indoors.
I think what we are seeing is mass lockdown fatigue, the first lockdown went on for so long that it's physically drained so many people combined with the apocalyptic predictions of Professor Ferguson's modelling not coming remotely true people have lost faith in The Science somewhat.
It really isn’t though, queuing to get pints from the pubs then standing on the streets with your mates. Out in the parks socialising, not social distanced and hardly anyone abiding by the one person outside your household.
Match was the nearest we got to lockdown, everything else since is farcical.
People were buying takeaway pints last year during lockdown 1. Now they can't (in Tier 4 anyway).
For a lot of people the one person rule doesn't make much sense considering that they can have an unlimited number of co-workers which can also change or rotate as often as the employer chooses."
Last year pubs were closed completely. In T4 they can sell take away beer now, just like any hospitality business can sell its products as long as it is click & collect, takeaway or delivery.
It might not make sense however, work places are supposed to have controls in place for covid which should reduce the risk, meeting your mates those rules go out the window as no one there to enforce them |
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By *ty31Man
over a year ago
NW London |
"They are strict enough and depressing enough already
True. It's become apparent that blunt lockdown measures are not working and are quite possibly making the problem worse.
What we need are thought out, well judged, sensible control measures and restrictions which target the areas which are actually causing transmission
It’s not lockdown though, there are more people out and about meeting up outside than before.
It's close enough, short of employing martial law I don't see how it's possible to force people to stay indoors.
I think what we are seeing is mass lockdown fatigue, the first lockdown went on for so long that it's physically drained so many people combined with the apocalyptic predictions of Professor Ferguson's modelling not coming remotely true people have lost faith in The Science somewhat.
It really isn’t though, queuing to get pints from the pubs then standing on the streets with your mates. Out in the parks socialising, not social distanced and hardly anyone abiding by the one person outside your household.
Match was the nearest we got to lockdown, everything else since is farcical.
People were buying takeaway pints last year during lockdown 1. Now they can't (in Tier 4 anyway).
For a lot of people the one person rule doesn't make much sense considering that they can have an unlimited number of co-workers which can also change or rotate as often as the employer chooses.
Last year pubs were closed completely. In T4 they can sell take away beer now, just like any hospitality business can sell its products as long as it is click & collect, takeaway or delivery.
It might not make sense however, work places are supposed to have controls in place for covid which should reduce the risk, meeting your mates those rules go out the window as no one there to enforce them "
Pubs were able to sell takeaway beer last year, just not so many did.
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"They are strict enough and depressing enough already
True. It's become apparent that blunt lockdown measures are not working and are quite possibly making the problem worse.
What we need are thought out, well judged, sensible control measures and restrictions which target the areas which are actually causing transmission
It’s not lockdown though, there are more people out and about meeting up outside than before.
It's close enough, short of employing martial law I don't see how it's possible to force people to stay indoors.
I think what we are seeing is mass lockdown fatigue, the first lockdown went on for so long that it's physically drained so many people combined with the apocalyptic predictions of Professor Ferguson's modelling not coming remotely true people have lost faith in The Science somewhat.
It really isn’t though, queuing to get pints from the pubs then standing on the streets with your mates. Out in the parks socialising, not social distanced and hardly anyone abiding by the one person outside your household.
Match was the nearest we got to lockdown, everything else since is farcical.
People were buying takeaway pints last year during lockdown 1. Now they can't (in Tier 4 anyway).
For a lot of people the one person rule doesn't make much sense considering that they can have an unlimited number of co-workers which can also change or rotate as often as the employer chooses.
Last year pubs were closed completely. In T4 they can sell take away beer now, just like any hospitality business can sell its products as long as it is click & collect, takeaway or delivery.
It might not make sense however, work places are supposed to have controls in place for covid which should reduce the risk, meeting your mates those rules go out the window as no one there to enforce them
Pubs were able to sell takeaway beer last year, just not so many did.
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Officially no they weren’t, but some did |
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over a year ago
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I will never understand why the government did not do a full lock down as soon as they knew the vaccines were coming online. At that point they new there was an end to this. They could have even improved furlough and universal credit or ubi. Knowing that thousands of lives would be saved as a result. Also the economy would be able to go back to somewhere near normal sooner. All they have done now is prolong the economic pain and needlessly cost untold lives. |
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By *ty31Man
over a year ago
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"They are strict enough and depressing enough already
True. It's become apparent that blunt lockdown measures are not working and are quite possibly making the problem worse.
What we need are thought out, well judged, sensible control measures and restrictions which target the areas which are actually causing transmission
It’s not lockdown though, there are more people out and about meeting up outside than before.
It's close enough, short of employing martial law I don't see how it's possible to force people to stay indoors.
I think what we are seeing is mass lockdown fatigue, the first lockdown went on for so long that it's physically drained so many people combined with the apocalyptic predictions of Professor Ferguson's modelling not coming remotely true people have lost faith in The Science somewhat.
It really isn’t though, queuing to get pints from the pubs then standing on the streets with your mates. Out in the parks socialising, not social distanced and hardly anyone abiding by the one person outside your household.
Match was the nearest we got to lockdown, everything else since is farcical.
People were buying takeaway pints last year during lockdown 1. Now they can't (in Tier 4 anyway).
For a lot of people the one person rule doesn't make much sense considering that they can have an unlimited number of co-workers which can also change or rotate as often as the employer chooses.
Last year pubs were closed completely. In T4 they can sell take away beer now, just like any hospitality business can sell its products as long as it is click & collect, takeaway or delivery.
It might not make sense however, work places are supposed to have controls in place for covid which should reduce the risk, meeting your mates those rules go out the window as no one there to enforce them
Pubs were able to sell takeaway beer last year, just not so many did.
And so much better not doing "
I guess most publicans weren't expecting to be forced into closure for so long or have such damaging restrictions placed on them (With little or no govt support).
Now they have to do all they can to survive, nodoby can blame them for that. |
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"They are strict enough and depressing enough already
True. It's become apparent that blunt lockdown measures are not working and are quite possibly making the problem worse.
What we need are thought out, well judged, sensible control measures and restrictions which target the areas which are actually causing transmission
It’s not lockdown though, there are more people out and about meeting up outside than before.
It's close enough, short of employing martial law I don't see how it's possible to force people to stay indoors.
I think what we are seeing is mass lockdown fatigue, the first lockdown went on for so long that it's physically drained so many people combined with the apocalyptic predictions of Professor Ferguson's modelling not coming remotely true people have lost faith in The Science somewhat.
It really isn’t though, queuing to get pints from the pubs then standing on the streets with your mates. Out in the parks socialising, not social distanced and hardly anyone abiding by the one person outside your household.
Match was the nearest we got to lockdown, everything else since is farcical.
People were buying takeaway pints last year during lockdown 1. Now they can't (in Tier 4 anyway).
For a lot of people the one person rule doesn't make much sense considering that they can have an unlimited number of co-workers which can also change or rotate as often as the employer chooses.
Last year pubs were closed completely. In T4 they can sell take away beer now, just like any hospitality business can sell its products as long as it is click & collect, takeaway or delivery.
It might not make sense however, work places are supposed to have controls in place for covid which should reduce the risk, meeting your mates those rules go out the window as no one there to enforce them
Pubs were able to sell takeaway beer last year, just not so many did.
And so much better not doing
I guess most publicans weren't expecting to be forced into closure for so long or have such damaging restrictions placed on them (With little or no govt support).
Now they have to do all they can to survive, nodoby can blame them for that."
Of course but maybe they should take more responsibility of who they are actually selling to, control their queue and where it is drank. |
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By *hickennchipsWoman
over a year ago
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"We need a total lockdown for 2021 and 2022
I hope you are joking? Suicide rates are already high enough
Virus rates suicide rates
We must lockdown for the next two years at least.
You are welcome to go hide in your bunker, I won’t be
My friends who are teachers are calling for schools to be shut as they feel the environment is unsafe. I’m interested in your take on this as you don’t seem to be in support of any more restrictions. "
I do teach and am back this week to teach face to face. The environment is safe, everything is in place and has been well before Christmas. We sanitise, wipe down, wear PPE and students sit apart from one another. It’s manageable for us and surely for most others? I think that education is top priority and everything should be in place for children / students to get the education they deserve. As for uni students and the fees they are paying for inadequate teaching and halls... it’s terrible |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I meant to add in 7 days.
These statistics are from the government covid dashboard, not ones I found on Facebook!
Find me something else that's killing over 4000 people a week!! "
I've just had a look at the office of national statistics and heart disease is still killing more people than Covid 19. Yet, McDonald's and KFC are still open..... |
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By *ty31Man
over a year ago
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"They are strict enough and depressing enough already
True. It's become apparent that blunt lockdown measures are not working and are quite possibly making the problem worse.
What we need are thought out, well judged, sensible control measures and restrictions which target the areas which are actually causing transmission
It’s not lockdown though, there are more people out and about meeting up outside than before.
It's close enough, short of employing martial law I don't see how it's possible to force people to stay indoors.
I think what we are seeing is mass lockdown fatigue, the first lockdown went on for so long that it's physically drained so many people combined with the apocalyptic predictions of Professor Ferguson's modelling not coming remotely true people have lost faith in The Science somewhat.
It really isn’t though, queuing to get pints from the pubs then standing on the streets with your mates. Out in the parks socialising, not social distanced and hardly anyone abiding by the one person outside your household.
Match was the nearest we got to lockdown, everything else since is farcical.
People were buying takeaway pints last year during lockdown 1. Now they can't (in Tier 4 anyway).
For a lot of people the one person rule doesn't make much sense considering that they can have an unlimited number of co-workers which can also change or rotate as often as the employer chooses.
Last year pubs were closed completely. In T4 they can sell take away beer now, just like any hospitality business can sell its products as long as it is click & collect, takeaway or delivery.
It might not make sense however, work places are supposed to have controls in place for covid which should reduce the risk, meeting your mates those rules go out the window as no one there to enforce them
Pubs were able to sell takeaway beer last year, just not so many did.
And so much better not doing
I guess most publicans weren't expecting to be forced into closure for so long or have such damaging restrictions placed on them (With little or no govt support).
Now they have to do all they can to survive, nodoby can blame them for that.
Of course but maybe they should take more responsibility of who they are actually selling to, control their queue and where it is drank. "
I don't see how it is reasonable for them to be able to do that any less than a supermarket worker or an off licence owner could? Which is where they'd buy their drinks from in any other circumstance. |
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"They are strict enough and depressing enough already
True. It's become apparent that blunt lockdown measures are not working and are quite possibly making the problem worse.
What we need are thought out, well judged, sensible control measures and restrictions which target the areas which are actually causing transmission
It’s not lockdown though, there are more people out and about meeting up outside than before.
It's close enough, short of employing martial law I don't see how it's possible to force people to stay indoors.
I think what we are seeing is mass lockdown fatigue, the first lockdown went on for so long that it's physically drained so many people combined with the apocalyptic predictions of Professor Ferguson's modelling not coming remotely true people have lost faith in The Science somewhat.
It really isn’t though, queuing to get pints from the pubs then standing on the streets with your mates. Out in the parks socialising, not social distanced and hardly anyone abiding by the one person outside your household.
Match was the nearest we got to lockdown, everything else since is farcical.
People were buying takeaway pints last year during lockdown 1. Now they can't (in Tier 4 anyway).
For a lot of people the one person rule doesn't make much sense considering that they can have an unlimited number of co-workers which can also change or rotate as often as the employer chooses.
Last year pubs were closed completely. In T4 they can sell take away beer now, just like any hospitality business can sell its products as long as it is click & collect, takeaway or delivery.
It might not make sense however, work places are supposed to have controls in place for covid which should reduce the risk, meeting your mates those rules go out the window as no one there to enforce them
Pubs were able to sell takeaway beer last year, just not so many did.
And so much better not doing
I guess most publicans weren't expecting to be forced into closure for so long or have such damaging restrictions placed on them (With little or no govt support).
Now they have to do all they can to survive, nodoby can blame them for that.
Of course but maybe they should take more responsibility of who they are actually selling to, control their queue and where it is drank.
I don't see how it is reasonable for them to be able to do that any less than a supermarket worker or an off licence owner could? Which is where they'd buy their drinks from in any other circumstance."
Why can’t they see who is queuing up for their beer in plastic pint glasses, numbers in the groups, no masks etc or see that they are drinking it in the pavement outside their pub. You want to keep serving take some responsibility |
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"In the uk
Nearly 15000 people have been admitted to hospital
Over 366000 people have tested positive
Over 4000 people have died
All due to covid 19
At what point does everyone say enough is enough, this is out of control and we need to introduce stricter measures?... "
I would agree with you if we hadn’t already had 10 months of lockdown measures that are destroying the country.
I read an article today from a CBI member, really Interesting and he says that this time next year we could have up to 6 million unemployed if businesses aren’t given the financial support they need, otherwise when the furlough ends we will see massive redundancies as businesses need to cut costs to deal with the debts they have accrued.
He talked about the need for government retraining schemes as he thinks hospitality will employ only 40% of what it did before lockdown and travel industry 20% - some stark figures to consider. |
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over a year ago
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A post in the daily fail says that only 388 people under the age of 60 without underlying health conditions have died of Covid 19 .So if we Isolate and vaccinate everyone over 60 for 6 months and the rest take our chances living normal life’s.Just an idea |
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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago
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As far as another lockdown - an interview with a SAGE adviser raised a few questions.
1/ schools have been on Christmas holidays for two weeks along with Universities for a month, figures have a 10 day lag, so why are number increasing when people have already been at home.
2/ go to any park and you'll see crowds of kids mixing with each other in play areas along with mums and dads, this is in out of school time so imagine when they get bored and need to see friends again.
If we go into lockdown - people will still be allowed to exercise, kids will not be locked in their homes, they will likely be with older generation as parents will continue to work if they can.
With a more transmissible virus, logic says it'll only increase as mitigation in schools will decrease when out. |
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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago
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"A post in the daily fail says that only 388 people under the age of 60 without underlying health conditions have died of Covid 19 .So if we Isolate and vaccinate everyone over 60 for 6 months and the rest take our chances living normal life’s.Just an idea "
How about vaccinate all secondary school kids. If certain groups (the fit and the young) can handle it better, vaccinate them thereby halting and containing the spread to older generations and working parents. Isolating, hygiene and lockdowns obviously don't work. |
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"A post in the daily fail says that only 388 people under the age of 60 without underlying health conditions have died of Covid 19 .So if we Isolate and vaccinate everyone over 60 for 6 months and the rest take our chances living normal life’s.Just an idea
How about vaccinate all secondary school kids. If certain groups (the fit and the young) can handle it better, vaccinate them thereby halting and containing the spread to older generations and working parents. Isolating, hygiene and lockdowns obviously don't work."
Neither vaccine is licensed in the U16s. The Pfizer one is only licensed in over 18s. Further trials will commence shortly to include younger age groups but data will take a while. |
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By *ty31Man
over a year ago
NW London |
"They are strict enough and depressing enough already
True. It's become apparent that blunt lockdown measures are not working and are quite possibly making the problem worse.
What we need are thought out, well judged, sensible control measures and restrictions which target the areas which are actually causing transmission
It’s not lockdown though, there are more people out and about meeting up outside than before.
It's close enough, short of employing martial law I don't see how it's possible to force people to stay indoors.
I think what we are seeing is mass lockdown fatigue, the first lockdown went on for so long that it's physically drained so many people combined with the apocalyptic predictions of Professor Ferguson's modelling not coming remotely true people have lost faith in The Science somewhat.
It really isn’t though, queuing to get pints from the pubs then standing on the streets with your mates. Out in the parks socialising, not social distanced and hardly anyone abiding by the one person outside your household.
Match was the nearest we got to lockdown, everything else since is farcical.
People were buying takeaway pints last year during lockdown 1. Now they can't (in Tier 4 anyway).
For a lot of people the one person rule doesn't make much sense considering that they can have an unlimited number of co-workers which can also change or rotate as often as the employer chooses.
Last year pubs were closed completely. In T4 they can sell take away beer now, just like any hospitality business can sell its products as long as it is click & collect, takeaway or delivery.
It might not make sense however, work places are supposed to have controls in place for covid which should reduce the risk, meeting your mates those rules go out the window as no one there to enforce them
Pubs were able to sell takeaway beer last year, just not so many did.
And so much better not doing
I guess most publicans weren't expecting to be forced into closure for so long or have such damaging restrictions placed on them (With little or no govt support).
Now they have to do all they can to survive, nodoby can blame them for that.
Of course but maybe they should take more responsibility of who they are actually selling to, control their queue and where it is drank.
I don't see how it is reasonable for them to be able to do that any less than a supermarket worker or an off licence owner could? Which is where they'd buy their drinks from in any other circumstance.
Why can’t they see who is queuing up for their beer in plastic pint glasses, numbers in the groups, no masks etc or see that they are drinking it in the pavement outside their pub. You want to keep serving take some responsibility "
Apply to supermarkets, convenience stores and off licences too?
I agree that publicans should take reasonable steps to serve responsibly but there's only so much they can do, especially if they take the beers away from the pub.
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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago
yumsville |
"A post in the daily fail says that only 388 people under the age of 60 without underlying health conditions have died of Covid 19 .So if we Isolate and vaccinate everyone over 60 for 6 months and the rest take our chances living normal life’s.Just an idea
How about vaccinate all secondary school kids. If certain groups (the fit and the young) can handle it better, vaccinate them thereby halting and containing the spread to older generations and working parents. Isolating, hygiene and lockdowns obviously don't work.
Neither vaccine is licensed in the U16s. The Pfizer one is only licensed in over 18s. Further trials will commence shortly to include younger age groups but data will take a while."
I read there was data / reports stating U16 were part of the Brazil study and showed no ill effects, though seems an easy group to target even if some opt out. |
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"They are strict enough and depressing enough already
True. It's become apparent that blunt lockdown measures are not working and are quite possibly making the problem worse.
What we need are thought out, well judged, sensible control measures and restrictions which target the areas which are actually causing transmission
It’s not lockdown though, there are more people out and about meeting up outside than before.
It's close enough, short of employing martial law I don't see how it's possible to force people to stay indoors.
I think what we are seeing is mass lockdown fatigue, the first lockdown went on for so long that it's physically drained so many people combined with the apocalyptic predictions of Professor Ferguson's modelling not coming remotely true people have lost faith in The Science somewhat.
It really isn’t though, queuing to get pints from the pubs then standing on the streets with your mates. Out in the parks socialising, not social distanced and hardly anyone abiding by the one person outside your household.
Match was the nearest we got to lockdown, everything else since is farcical.
People were buying takeaway pints last year during lockdown 1. Now they can't (in Tier 4 anyway).
For a lot of people the one person rule doesn't make much sense considering that they can have an unlimited number of co-workers which can also change or rotate as often as the employer chooses.
Last year pubs were closed completely. In T4 they can sell take away beer now, just like any hospitality business can sell its products as long as it is click & collect, takeaway or delivery.
It might not make sense however, work places are supposed to have controls in place for covid which should reduce the risk, meeting your mates those rules go out the window as no one there to enforce them
Pubs were able to sell takeaway beer last year, just not so many did.
And so much better not doing
I guess most publicans weren't expecting to be forced into closure for so long or have such damaging restrictions placed on them (With little or no govt support).
Now they have to do all they can to survive, nodoby can blame them for that.
Of course but maybe they should take more responsibility of who they are actually selling to, control their queue and where it is drank.
I don't see how it is reasonable for them to be able to do that any less than a supermarket worker or an off licence owner could? Which is where they'd buy their drinks from in any other circumstance.
Why can’t they see who is queuing up for their beer in plastic pint glasses, numbers in the groups, no masks etc or see that they are drinking it in the pavement outside their pub. You want to keep serving take some responsibility
Apply to supermarkets, convenience stores and off licences too?
I agree that publicans should take reasonable steps to serve responsibly but there's only so much they can do, especially if they take the beers away from the pub.
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Think you are missing the point they are serving it in pint glasses which are being consumed there and then. It is not being served in takeaway bottles like the supermarkets. |
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